No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen - JD Vance puts Republicans' desperation on full display

Episode Date: September 16, 2026

JD Vance puts Republicans’ desperation on full display. Brian interviews Pod Save America’s Dan Pfeiffer and Norm Eisen.Subscribe to Message Box: https://www.messageboxnews.com/Support Democracy Defenders Action: https://www.democracydefendersaction.org/Written by Brian Tyler CohenProduced by Sam GraberRecorded in Los Angeles, CASee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

J.D. Vance puts Republicans' desperation ahead of midterms on full display, and I've got two interviews, POTT of America's Dan Pfeiffer and Norm Eisen. I'm Brian Tyler Cohen, and you're listening to No Lie. No matter how desperate you think the Republicans are, you are not prepared for the actual level of desperation, as evidenced by J.D. Vance here. Give us another chance or give us another couple of years to continue to work on the amazing things that we've been doing for the past two years.

So we have reached the give us another chance, please, phase of politics. Remind me, when a girl dumps a guy and he gets on his knees and starts begging, give me another chance, is that a recipe for success or no? But here's the thing about Vance's plea. Republicans have had their chance, and look what they did with it. They promised to lower costs on the campaign. Then when they got into office, they rallied behind Trump's trade war that sent cost surging. They promised low gas prices. Gas is now 437 a gallon up from 319 a year ago.

Diesel's at its highest point in history at 623 a gallon. They promised to release the Epstein files. That's obviously not happening. Promise to eliminate this second tier of justice that the elites used to enrich themselves and avoid accountability. That is the basis of Trump's entire presidency. Dude has tripled his net worth while everybody else is left out in the cold. But that was all by design. None of this is an accident. Trump didn't like trip and fall into giving his son a $6 billion military defense contract. They didn't accidentally fall into cutting health care and food assistance.

All of this was on purpose. This is unbridled Republican governance. There are no Democrats in power, not in the House, Senate, or White House. So no, there are no accidents here. Frankly, the time to have recognized that things were going south was six months ago, a year ago, 18 months ago. But not seven weeks before the election, only because now you're realizing that you have to go in front of voters. The Republicans have ignored voters to an extent that I've quite literally never seen before. And they've been doing it for months.

Instead, they've contracted every ounce of autonomy to Trump, on tariffs, on war, on Epstein, on health care, on inflation. So guess what? You all own this just as much as he does. So you can get on your knees and you can beg now that you remember political gravity exists, but it's all too little too late. The time to show that you care about Americans is not just five minutes before voters go to the polls. But I've got to say, it sure is pathetic that once Trump's election rigging scheme falls flat because the Supreme Court refuses to ban mail-in ballots, Once the Save America Act falls flat where Republicans tried to institute a federal takeover of elections

Once the DOJ's efforts to take the voter rolls from the states falls flat in 30 different cases The next tactic being employed by the GOP Is J.D. Vance just begging like a little bitch to give him another chance? Guys, you've had your chance and you blew it sucking up to a president who only cares about himself. If only there was some clue, J.D., that the guy who you called America's Hitler

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than we saw from J.D. Vance right here. Give us another chance or give us another couple of years to continue to work on the amazing things that we've been doing for the past two years. So I'm joined now by former Obama Communications Director and co-host of Potsave America, Dan Pfeiffer, Dan, you also host a show on POSA of America's YouTube channel called Political Experts React. And so if this was an ad, how do you think that this would fare in the grand scheme of things,

having the vice president of the United States basically resorting to the part in a broken relationship where one guy gets down on his knees and says, please just, you know, give me another chance, just take me back? I don't think it would play very well, right? I'll tell you that right now. It's, I mean, like, think about what he's saying, which is we, we did not accomplish what we told you we would accomplish. So give us more time after broken promise. I have to broken promise.

And that is going to fall very, that's going to fall very flat because it's not that people thought Vance and Trump and the Republicans tried really hard to do the things they said they were going to do and just failed. It's that they absolutely did the opposite what they said. They said they were in a lower costs. They raised costs. They said that we know forever wars. they started a war with Iran. They said they released the Upsi and final state didn't do it. And so you're not going to get any grace from the voters

if the voters feel like you fly to it. That's what's going on here. What are Republicans leaning on then if they know that there are no Democrats? Like, in a way, unified control of government is, yes, a curse, but it's also a gift in the sense that right now there are no Democrats to point the blame at. Like, Republicans can't say, oh, if only Republicans, Democrats weren't in charge of the House, we could have passed our agenda. Like, they have full control of government, House Senate, White House.

And so what can they point to? Not to put you in a position where you have to do the Republicans work for them, but what in the world can they point to to help themselves, you know, in these last seven weeks? They can't point to point to anything they've done, right? The quote-to-quote big, beautiful bill is incredibly unpopular. It brings up a conversation about tax cuts for the rich, cuts to Medicaid, cuts to food assistance, closing rural hospitals. It's a very, very, very, it's historically unpopular bill.

In fact, it says so much about how unpopular the Republican agenda is that it's not even at the top of the list of the most unpopular things they've done because the war of the Iran and tariffs are even more popular than that. The only they only have one card to play. We saw it during the midterm convention. That is to try to scare the living daylights out of voters about Democrats, right? They were radical, socialist, communist, hate America and just try to make Democrats seem too extreme to be a vessel for people's anger at Trump and the Republicans. Okay, so here is where you are well positioned to answer this next question, which is what should the Democrats response to that be? Is that something that Democrats should respond to directly, thereby in a way validating that attack, but also potentially assuaging the voters' fears? Or just ignore it because that's not a top issue for voters in this country, and there are so many other detrimental things that people should be focusing on and that do actually impact their lives.

The way to handle this is not to run a bunch of ads saying, no, I'm not extreme. Like too many Democrats tell, don't show. So what you have to do is show people through your policy positions, through your attitude, through your demeanor to how you campaign, that you are someone who is consistent, who is not extreme, who is consistent with the values of the state district you're running. It is how rough Sam campaigns in Iowa, how just churchments in Iowa. It is, you know, you see this from James Taylor. the best way for James Salarico to show people that he is not this fringe, you know,

overly woke lunatic that Kim Pax and talks about is to be James Salarico, talk about his faith, you know, have this, you know, he is a moderate temperament. So you have to, those are things you have to do. We got a lot of great candidates doing that. That's what Mary Paltolla does. That's what Sherrod Brown does. And so it's like, don't respond to it. And then, like, you're going to have a bunch of ads run against you.

And we should remind people that those ads are being funded by billionaires who got tax cuts from Trump, and billionaires who are profiting off data centers, NIA billionaires who are price gouging you, and that it's like what we're going to do is we're going to focus on you, right? We're going to try to lower your price. We're going to try to make your life easier, try to make your dollars go further in your life. And to that point, I mean, the reality is that the polls are bearing exactly what you said out.

We have a new New York Times Siena poll, one of the highest rated pollsters. But one of the cross-tabs that I thought was especially interesting was Trump's approval with young people. This is 18 to 29, a huge swing in the 2024 election that really led to Trump's Trump and Republicans election. Right now he's sitting at 18% approval and 78% disapproval. That net approval back in September was negative 36. Then in January of this year, it was negative 42. Right now, it's negative 60. So pretty disastrous result. What was your reaction to seeing those numbers among 18 to 29 year olds? It's very clear that for the Trump coalition,

it was last in, first out. So the voters who have been most skeptical of Trump since he came down the escalator a decade ago are young voters and Latino voters. And for a whole lot of reasons involving Joe Biden and inflation and immigration and everything else, many of them reluctantly sided with Trump because they thought, you know,

these are people feeling tremendous economic pressure because of inflation and high costs. They said, I don't love them. I don't agree. a lot of things, but I think of these candidates, he's the one I believe is most likely to lower my costs. Then Trump came in office and raised their costs, right? He didn't just fail to lower them. He specifically took two actions and tariffs and going to war with Iran that raised people's costs, and these voters are pissed and they have left the Trump train. Similarly, Latino voters are

signaling a major shift to the left as well. On the generic ballot, Democrats have a 46-point advantage with voters under 30. That's a 35-point advantage. Trump's approval. among Latino voters is negative 43 points. The baseline in 2024 is that he won 46% of Latinos in 2024. That's up from 32% in 2020. So he was actually quite popular. I believe he was for a Republican, the most, had the largest vote share of Latino voters. Now he's sitting at negative 43% approval. So what are the implications for that as we head toward this midterm election cycle, especially with certain maps that have been redrawn by Republicans thinking that the Latino coalition was from 2024 was going to be permanent.

Yeah, this problem for Republicans is most manifest in Texas where they did this very aggressive redistricting, trying to lock in their seats and put a lot of Democrats at risk. And their bet was even if they didn't get Trump-like numbers of Latinos, Latinos had moved towards Republicans. They had snapped back dramatically, particularly in Texas. We saw this in a special election in Texas a few months ago. It is like it's very concerning for them in a bunch of districts that they thought would be safe for public districts, particularly along the Rio Grande Valley now are very competitive for Democrats and possible pickups for Democrats.

So yeah, they miscalculated and this was they were Trump rented these voters. He didn't own them. Right. In terms of the Senate math right now, how do you feel seven months out from Election Day as far as as, look, I think a few months ago, we would have been looking at a state like North Carolina as a reach state, you know, for Democrats. Now, of course, the map has shifted so much that we're even looking at places like Iowa, Texas, Ohio, Alaska, and even in some cases, Nevada, as possible pickup opportunities. But from your vantage, how does that Senate math look? Yeah, I think the Senate, you know, as you say, we have to win the Senate.

We have to hold all of our seats, which I'll get to in a second. We have to win in Maine and North Carolina. and then we have to win two of Iowa, Alaska, Ohio, and Texas, all states that Trump won by at least 11 points. Yeah. A year ago, that seemed impossible. Now it seems plausible and very possible to that we can get done. Now, we got some work to do to get there because you never would have guessed that we'd be more nervous about Michigan than maybe Texas in this point.

And, you know, there are some warning signs in New Hampshire. But the path is there. The political environment is there. and we have very, very good candidates in these races who can win. And we are blessed by the idiocy of our opponents who have nominated people like Ken Paxton in Texas or even in Ohio, whereas John Houston, who happens to be like America's Data Center champion at the exact time when there's a giant bipartisan revolt against data centers. So like I think, you know, you look at the modeling from the Nate Sovers of the world. You know, Democrats have like a 56, 57, 58 percent chance to winning the Senate.

But that is like Nate used the term to me the other day, a weighted coin flip. So it's like you win more than half the times, but you still lose, just a little bit less than half the times. But we're very well positioned to at least have a real shot to do this. No lie is brought to you by Quince. We've all got those pieces in our closets that we find ourselves wearing over and over again. The sweater that goes with everything, the perfect pair of pants, or the tea that we somehow always reach for first.

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breaker, but at the same time, John Federman poses a little bit of an interesting scenario, and I know that he's come out and said that he wouldn't switch parties. Still at the same time, I watched the discourse online. John Federman is so unpopular. He's so cozy with Republicans. He's such an institution on Fox News that I don't think it would be smart to rule out the possibility that John Federman could be flirting with that idea. Republicans are certainly trying to draw him in, and they're engaged in this charm offensive to do exactly that. Do you think that it is misguided for as gross as John Federman's positions on virtually everything are? Do you think that it is misguided to bully him to the extent that the left does,

knowing that there is a world in which that could mean that if Democrats did have a majority in the Senate, that could go away? I understand why people are mad at John Federman. I particularly understand why the people of Pennsylvania who put him in office are mad at him. Yeah. But I think we have to play a little with a long game here, which is we need John Federman in the Senate until he is up in 2028. And he probably loses, it almost certainly loses a Democratic primary challenge. Yeah.

And so, like, we should like, he is, he is not the person who ran. He was not doing the things he said he would do when he ran. Either, you know, some of these stories about how he's doing the job are very disturbing. But right now we would rather have someone who caucuses. is with Democrats, who votes with Democrats almost all the time, particularly on judicial nominees, then have lose that seat and have him caucus with Republicans and make it one seat harder to actually get the majority. And look, this has happened in the past. In 2001, the Republicans in a tied Senate, Republicans bullied Vermont Senator Jim Jeffords because he voted against Bush on the tax

cuts. And he left the party, became an independent caucus with Democrats, and made the Democrats, the give the Democrats the majority, you know, less than a year after Bush was elected. And so we do not want to have the same thing happen to us. So like, I'm not telling anyone who lives in Pennsylvania not to be mad at Jeff. We actually should, but the people in positions of power in this in our party and have influence of the platforms. Just we don't want them to switch parties. We don't want them to do it. And look, channel your anger into, like we did with Kirsten Sinema, channel your anger into someone supporting someone who wants the primary.

that I don't know whether that's Connor Lamb or Summer Lee or a whole bunch of other people in the state of Pennsylvania who I know we're thinking about it. Let me ask you a let me play devil's advocate on that point. You know, there are people who say, you know, is it not our job to hold our elected officials to account? And if he, as you said, promised ABCD and E on the campaign trail and he's governing in a way that's completely antithetical to what he promised, why should we give him a free pass if he is, if he's not abiding by what he promised us? our way to hold John Federman accountable as Democrats is to is in the primary in 2020. And that is how we will do it. We're not like there's not some constitutional mechanism for holding people accountable by tweeting at them. Yeah. Like if you want like average everyday people, particularly Pennsylvania constituents who want to be mad at John Federman, they want to write them angry letter, send them angry emails. That is their right.

They deserve that. And I think the leaders of the party and I think Chuck Schumer has been pretty savvy about this. other elected officials, people, you know, with platforms do need to think about, you know, as mad as you are, we want him in this party. You know, we had, you know, Joe Manchin. We wanted him in our party. We wanted that, you know, we wouldn't have the, we wouldn't have passed Bill back better without Joe Manchin, right?

And so, you know, it's not pleasant. It's not always joyful, but like this, this is the deal. And if, like, the way, if you're pissed at him and everyone is there right to be pissed him, the way you express that is in a primary in two years. So speaking of bullying, and we'll finish off with this, your team is the Washington commanders. I think by all punded accounts ranked last in the NFC East. I've got my giants who are coming off a beautiful win.

I don't often throw around the word perfect, but I think the way that they played against the Dallas Cowboys was for all intents and purposes perfect. How do you feel about the NFC East? this season. Well, I'm very conflicted here because I have Jackson Dart and the league neighbors on my fantasy team. So there's a part of me that roots for the Giants in all the two games of the year.

Look, Washington is, it's been a curse season already. You sign your left tackle for like $30 million a year. Then you lose them for the season like two weeks later. Yeah. Really a rough game. They almost beat the Eagles, which would be quite joyous. It would have been very fun. But not expecting big things.

But it is like everyone's up for the division is up for grabs. Primarily, I think, between the Cowboys, the Giants, and Eagles, not so much Washington. But good luck to you guys, I guess. I'll take it. I'll take any luck we can have. Give me your definitive ranking. If we're making this prediction now, you're ranking for the NFC East. This is hard.

I would say, because I would normally do this based on odds, which is then I would pick the Giants because that's the highest upside. Yeah. But I think if you were to ask me what I think is most likely for, I'd say, Eagles Giants, Cowboys. All right. That's fair. I think the Giants are going to get a, do you need Jackson Dart to stay healthy? So he's got to stay out of the blue tent and stay on the field. But the Giants, I think they're going to get a sort of that new coach bump, no help in this year.

New coach bump, the fact that Isaiah likely is a great receiver for Jackson Dart came out of nowhere. I mean, I drafted Isaiah Likley on my team. I also have Jackson Dart and Malik neighbors like you. But, I mean, Isaiah likely was great when he was on the Ravens, but it's tough because Mark Andrews also great tight end. And he's dealing with Lamar Jackson, who holds the ball more than anybody. I mean, he is the biggest ball hog in football. So, you know, difficult from a receiver standpoint to have anybody on the Ravens.

But I would go, I would go, and this is my own bias creeping in, but I'll go Giants, Eagles, Cowboys, Commanders. But we'll see. We'll see how it goes. For everybody who's watching right now, if you're not yet subscribed to the message box, that's Dan's newsletter. It is the smartest analysis that you'll get in politics.

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and a free item of your choice for life. I didn't think that the Kennedy Center saga could get any worse, any more embarrassing, any more shameless at the hands of this Trump administration. But apparently it has. I'm joined now by the indefatigable Norm Eisen. Norm, you have been litigating this case. and we're previously successful at preventing Donald Trump from having his name etched on to the Kennedy Center,

which I should remind everybody is a living memorial to a deceased president, but Donald Trump somehow decided to co-opt it for himself. That notwithstanding, can you explain this latest move that he's trying at the Kennedy Center in his interminable effort to plaster his name onto this building? His name will never be on the Kennedy Center again, Brian.

what he's trying to do now is argue that the Kennedy Center is in dire straits and the only way to resuscitate it is if we put his name on the building because that's the only thing that will motivate him not to close the Kennedy Center. Now here's everything that's wrong with that logic. First of all, the courts have established federal law does not allow Donald Trump's name to be on the building. Secondly, whatever financial troubles the Kennedy Center is facing is because when he put his name on the building, artists and audiences alike fled in droves. Third, he's sitting on $250 million that has been appropriated by Congress. Congress to repair the Kennedy Center.

Get on with it. You don't have to close the Kennedy Center to do that. The money is there and you can work in phases. You close a piece, you create a walk around, you leave the rest open. So it's just silly. They've let the Kennedy Center open previously to do repairs. They had a plan to do this phased repair. previously, and that's what they should go back to. But he's just interested in getting his name

on the building. Norm, what is it that is driving him right now? I mean, look, I know it's impossible to ask you to get inside of his head. But this seems like an egregious action, even by his own standards, that he would spend all of this time, all of these resources, all of this energy, trying to get his name etched into this building. What is it about the Kennedy Center that is just driving this guy to the ends of the earth. You know, it would take somebody with a degree in abnormal psychology and abnormal political science to diagnose the twisted logic of Donald Trump. It is a ruinous venture to, attempt to do this because it just highlights his corruption. He's not only attempting to steal

vast sums from the American people like this $1.776 million slush fund for his cronies and insurrectionists and those associated with him. That we stopped. We stopped that also. He's trying to take an entire priceless memorial. And the more He insists on putting his name on it, the more the American people notice his corruption. You can see very close clearly in polls that a super majority of the American people, more than two-thirds of the American people, including his own supporters who put him there to drain the swamp. They didn't think it meant fill the swamp with cash for himself and his cronies are sick of this. The people are sick of his corruption, but he just keeps doubling down.

It's a suicide mission. Norm, would that suggest by Trump's own logic that when he dies and he has, you know, his sick offense erects some monument in his name that, that some other elected officials, some other president, some other person could and should have their names etched onto, like, would you be in favor of the Norman Eisen addendum to, to Trump's gravestone? The Donald Trump and Normanized Presidential Lighter. I mean, are you in?

They can have a reading room, the litigation reading room, that has all of our over 300 legal cases and matters fighting his attacks on the rule of law on elections and on integrity. No. Brian, if Congress passed the law, the law, as they did with the Kennedy Center, saying this penitentiary shall be known as the Donald J. Trump honorary federal prison. No, I would not support an effort to put somebody else's name on it. The law is clear. Now, I might not be the one chosen to litigate that matter, even if they came to me.

I'm not sure I'd agree. But that is not legal. And it's not legal here either. I mean, it's so crazy. You have to, the absurdity of this administration. I'm sorry, but every day I laugh. And thank goodness for Donald Trump's incompetence. I mean, he's just illustrating my point to everybody.

The guy is a day. dictator dunce. I want to switch over to a different topic. Some good news here. We just got a 7-2 ruling from the Supreme Court refusing to accede to Trump's demands where he bans mail-in ballots about 50 days before the election. Democracy Defenders Fund, your organization filed a brief in support of Lulac and the other winning parties in this case.

Can I have your reaction, first and foremost, as this news is just broken to the ruling? Indeed, we did file in this case on behalf of Lulek, our client, bipartisan brief, I should mention, with Campaign Legal Center, which was founded by the Republican FEC Commissioner, former Trevor Potter. And, of course, my board is roughly half conservatives. Brian, the reaction is, I went out on a limb, and I went all over. You can find me on television and elsewhere, and my friends, I love them, the hosts of some of these shows were fighting with me.

How do you know you're going to win in this case? And I told them because this is a case that is so clear that even the wrong, Roberts Court will not be able to overturn it. We litigated other cases in 2020, where similarly, I was on the other side of cases that went to the Supreme Court. Those were also absurd cases to attempt to throw the election overboard by Donald Trump or his allies. And we got similar seven to judgments at the Supreme Court. There are seven justices who are unprepared to let Donald Trump eliminate a few.

effectively eliminate mail-in-voting a few weeks before the election. It's so absurd. Now, the case doesn't mean that we're done with the fight. He's going to throw the spaghetti at the wall again and again. But if you look at the accumulation of decisions, the Missouri redistricting case were similarly in that case with no recorded objections, the Supreme Court twice refused to reconsider an illegitimate redistricting in Missouri. The win that we had on, this is our second win on a Trump effort to have an executive order overturning an election.

There was another one. We won that. Redistricting, we had, and our partners, and this was a big coalition case led by the states, and other partners we supported. We got our own injunction earlier today, a separate even broader injunction from a Trump judge, Brian, against this mail-in Trump nonsense. And redistricting, we had, by our count,

with the coalition, saved 14 seats in Congress from being stolen. We've had those cases go up to the Supreme Court, the one in California, five seats there. That was upheld by the Supreme Court without a single noted dissent. Even Alito and Thomas didn't indicate an objection. So I think it's very reassuring. Voters, we got your back. Voting is going to be safe, free and fair mail, and voting's going to be fine.

Please, however you choose to vote, vote early. And by the way, I should add for folks who are watching right now that I'm going to put a link in the post description of this video and right here on the screen, you can check your voter registration status. The Republicans have been screwing with elections, screwing with voter rolls across the country. So it'll take one minute of your time. Click the link. Make sure that you are registered to vote, have a plan to vote.

And then as Norm said, you'll be able to do so freely and fairly, given the fact that we now have this ruling. Now because the Supreme Court ruled this way, of course Trump is going to come out and say, you know what, because the Supreme Court didn't listen to me, now we can't have faith in this election. Now we can't have faith in the results because these fraudulent mail-in ballots are going to be used in states across the country. And so it's kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't. Heads I win, tails you lose because either Trump gets the ability to just upend the election by restricting mail-in ballots five minutes before the election.

And that, of course, throws the election into chaos. Or he doesn't get to do that. And then he points to the fact that he lost in court as something perpetuating this idea that an untrustworthy source of voting is going to be used. And so either way, he's going to be complaining about this. Nobody buys that baloney anymore. He's the boy who cried Wolf. Yeah. And, you know, the only one he's discouraging are his own voters.

He's throwing them into chaos. They're afraid to utilize. They shouldn't be voting is safe, free and fair. And we protect the rights of all voters here at Democracy Defender's Action. But, you know, it's so foolish and incompetent. It's not quite as bad as the Iran War, where he managed to achieve the ultimate Islamic hardliner objective of seizing control of the Strait of Hormuz. He's the greatest ally of the Islamic Revolution, Brian. He achieved what Khomeini could not.

He gave Iran control of the Strait of Hormuz. But it's the next stupidest mistake because Democratic voter intensity is at an all-time high. Vote early friends, vote confidently, that he's trying to stop you because he's afraid of your vote. The ultimate act of defiance and resistance is to cast that early ballot. But let his followers, I hope they won't be.

I want to have, say, free and fair elections. But he's attacking the confidence of the dwindling number of Americans who still believe in him. Most do not. Most unpopular president at this stage in his presidency, except for Nixon right before he left. And Trump is heading for those lows. I should also note to underscore your point, with regard to Trump undermining trust in elections. He did the same thing during the Georgia Senate runoff

to the point where people were afraid to cast their ballots and that resulted in John Ossoff and Raphael Warnock becoming U.S. senators from the state of Georgia at the same time. And so he has plenty of experience in pushing his own voters away from using a very easy, safe, and secure method of voting. I hope they'll do it. Nag, if any of you are watching, I know there's some of you who hate watch, Brian. Your vote is safe also.

But unfortunately, we saw in Georgia, the guy is such a dult. He ends up undermining his own base. And unfortunately, that's what he's doing now. I'm sure he'll be trashing the Supreme Court within minutes. Yeah. Well, while we wait for that meltdown, again, for those who are watching, If you'd like to support the work that Norm and his team over at Democracy Defender's Action, all the work that they're doing, including filing a brief in this very case,

I'm going to put a link to that organization right here on the screen and also in the post description of this video. Norm and his team have been doing outstanding work. I cannot even count the number of lawsuits or briefs that you have filed in the last 18 months. What is that number? Over 300 legal matters. Well, there you go. That puts it on full display right there. Now, that includes our 501C3 Democracy Defenders Fund, who are the ones who filed the brief at SCOTUS. I'm here tonight in my capacity, Democracy Defenders Action, our other organization.

And wow, Brian, whenever we come on your show, we get so many notes of appreciation and other forms of support. We love it all. And thank you. You and I have been on this journey together for the past year and a half. And we're really stopping the backsliding and making a democracy you turn. And this election is going to hammer at home, and it'll be a safe one for mail-in voting. Awesome. Well, I'm always happy to amplify the fighters.

And there's nobody that better exemplifies that than you and your team. Again, those links are right here on the screen and also in the post-scription. Norm, thanks for the work you're doing. Thanks for the time tonight. Thanks, Brian. Thanks again to Dan Pfeiffer and Norm Eisen. That's it for this episode. Talk to you on Sunday. You've been listening to No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen. Produced by Sam Graber, music by Wellsey, and interviews edited for YouTube by Nicholas Nicotera.

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