No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen - Kamala and Democrats steal Republicans' biggest strength

Episode Date: August 25, 2024

Democrats reclaim patriotism and Republicans don't take it well. Brian interviews Pete Buttigieg and Gavin Newsom at the DNC in Chicago.Order Shameless: https://www.harpercollins.com/pages/shamelessShop merch: https://briantylercohen.com/shopYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/briantylercohenTwitter: https://twitter.com/briantylercohenFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/briantylercohenInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/briantylercohenPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/briantylercohenNewsletter: https://www.briantylercohen.com/sign-upWritten by Brian Tyler CohenProduced by Sam GraberRecorded in Los Angeles, CASee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Today we're going to talk about Democrats reclaiming patriotism and how Republicans are reacting as the result of it. And I interview Pete Buttigieg and Gavin Newsom at the DNC in Chicago. I'm Brian Tyler Cohen, and you're listening to No Lie. We've seen Kamala reclaim the mantle of strength from Trump when he spent days refusing to commit to a debate with her. We've seen Kamala reclaim the mantle of the young candidate when Biden dropped out and suddenly the old one in the race became Trump. But after the DNC, it looked like Democrats had finally met. managed to reclaim the one thing that Republicans had previously had a firm grip on, and that's this idea of patriotism. I was in Chicago for the DNC this week. That's why my voice sounds the way

it does right now. I'm just recovering from that whole week of craziness. But to hear the crowds on the left chant USA, USA, USA, to see law enforcement and soldiers go on stage advocating for Democrats, to see Democrats owning the idea of freedom in one fell swoop over the course of what, four weeks, Democrats have completely co-opted, arguably the strongest element of Republicans' branding. And it's not just me wishcasting, by the way. Here's former Fox and Newsmax host, Eric Bowling. You know what else they're doing? Have you seen this? They're trying to redefine the Democrat party. They're trying to say that the Democrats are the patriots, the party that's worried about the country. They're wearing camo hats with Kamala Harris's name on it. Camouflage,

that's ours. She was flanked in her speech last. night by two American flags. There's no pride flag there. They're redefining it. They're going after our independent voters, the people who are leaning right, who want to vote right to save the country, but are starting to like what they're about. They're letting them redefine Kamala Harris and redefined the party. We waited too long. It's not right. The Camel hats. I'm blown away. And here's the co-host of Fox's The Five, Jessica Tarlov. flags at the DNC than there were at the R&C. And look, I don't know, I don't know that I don't know that I can really explain what a

coup this is. I literally just wrote a book about how Republicans have benefited for decades from their undeserved branding. And one major element of that is this idea that Trump and Republicans are the Party of Patriots, despite being anti-constitution, anti-democracy, anti-freedom. It is so aggressively antithetical to how they behave, but perplexingly, they've still been able to skirt by. But I think that Trump just exposed the con so obviously, like he's so anti-democracy that there was no plausible deniability anymore.

You can't claim to be the party of law and order and run a felon. You can't claim to be the party of the Constitution, and yet block the peaceful transfer of power. You can't claim to be the party of family values, but line up behind a guy who cheated on his wife with a porn star. And look, Republicans have always been anti-democracy. They've always engaged in voter suppression all the way back to the days of breaking up the Dakotas to create two states with two senators each, to the days of Jim Crow, of gerrymandering

after Obama's election. But in a way, Donald Trump has been the worst thing to happen to them because he undermined even that veneer of legitimacy that they had before. This dude came into power in a party that wholly owns the flag and the bald eagle and apple pie. He's leaving the party that has a monopoly on, like, white supremacists and people whose top campaign issue is water pressure and toilets and showers. Now, in terms of why this is important, obviously a major element of the anti-Trump coalition is pro-democracy Republicans. Not for nothing, but I'd venture to guess it makes it just a little bit easier to stomach voting for Democrats if the Democratic branding starts to include the best elements of Republican branding,

which is to say nothing of the fact that even Republicans themselves spoke on stage at the DNC. including Adam Kinsinger and former lieutenant governor of Georgia, Jeff Duncan. And Duncan put it perfectly when he said this. Let me be clear to my Republican friends at home watching. If you vote for Kamala Harris in 2024, you're not a Democrat. You're a patriot. All of which helps the campaign's broader goal of expanding the coalition. Like, the Camo hats and the USA Chance aren't going to be responsible for Kamala suddenly turning conservative

of Republicans into liberal Democrats, but it is one ingredient in a broader recipe that will move the needle for a lot of people. Just like how Adam Kinsinger alone isn't going to flip Republicans, but add in Jeff Duncan, add in Stephanie Grisham and Olivia Troy and Bill Weld and Christy Whitman and Joe Walsh, it adds up, and none of it redounds to Trump's benefit. The truth is that Republicans got so used to mocking their own audience by treating them like idiots that they figured they could just get away with it forever. They figured they could still beat their chest about law and order while running a felon.

that they could claim fiscal responsibility while adding $8 trillion to the debt, that they could claim states' rights while trying to pass a nationwide abortion bet, but it turns out that Americans are smarter than Trump and the GOP are giving them credit for. And what that's meant is that Republicans just lost one of the strongest tools they had going for them. One quick note, I can't believe I get to say this, but my new book, Shameless, came out last week. It debuted as number one on the New York Times bestseller list. To everybody who grabbed a copy, I cannot thank you enough. It's literally been a dream of mine forever to land in that spot.

If you haven't gotten yours yet, it's still available, so grab it wherever you get your books. I narrate the audio version, too, if that's better for you. But again, thank you so much. Okay, here are my interviews with Pete Buttigieg and Gavin Newsom. I'm joined today by Pete Buttigieg. Thanks so much for joining me. Thanks for having me. So, congrats on a huge DNC speech yesterday.

Thank you. You had started off your speech, I think, notably pointing out the fact that most people will have seen you on Fox News, which is not something you can usually say. for Democrats. Why is it so important for you to go on networks like Fox? Well, the way I think about it is a lot of people are tuning in in good faith, and I can't blame them for not embracing our message if they've literally never heard it. I don't think a lot of conservative media cover, not just our perspectives, but facts that I think are very important for voters to know.

I think Fox viewers deserve to know those facts, the same as viewers of any other network. And so I try to bring that in, and to the extent they're willing to have me on it, I think it's important for me to offer that up. Well, it actually is a good bridge to what we're seeing here because here at the DNC, we are seeing a few Republicans come up and speak for the first time. It's not usual that you would see Republicans take the stage at the Democratic National Convention. Can you speak on that, on how this new moment that we're in is really inclusive of not just Democrats, not just independence, but even some Republicans like Lieutenant Governor of Georgia, Jeff Duncan? Yeah, I think it really reflects two things, something about the Trump campaign and something about Kamala Harris.

campaign. What it tells you about the Trump campaign is how unfit he is to lead because never before have more people who served closely with the president or belonged to the same party as that president gone on to denounce him or make clear that he has no business being in office. You know, his own chief of staff, members of his cabinet. I mean, he's not even on vice speaking terms with his own vice president, right? So it's that, but it's more than that. I think it also says something about us. We are calling out to independence, to the Republicans. A lot of people I like to think of as future former Republicans to make sure they feel welcome in the coalition that we're building. Maybe we won't agree on every single issue and maybe they won't vote with us every

single time but this time with this much on the stake and with issues that go beyond just right or left policy issues but really deeper character issues that are not just about the character of the candidates but really about the character of the country depending on what choice we make. I think it's really fitting and really encouraging to see that we've invited Republican speakers to reach out to those voters. Do you have any examples, anecdotal as they may be, to show that you going on Fox, for example, are you being able to talk to these Republicans where they are as having an impact? Yeah, I do sometimes hear from somebody I know from outside of politics or a relative

that they saw one of those appearances. It's not that it instantly turns a conservative Republican into a liberal Democrat. But again, saying, you know, I never really thought about that. Or I didn't know that. Or I look that up after you said, because sometimes I'll literally. you know, on Fox will say literally, if you're at home, look this up, because I think that a Fox viewer might literally not know or believe that crime went down after Donald Trump got beat or some of the realities about the economy, about job creation, about the industrial Midwest, even some of the numbers around the border and what's going on with immigration. So, you know, again, I'm under no illusion that I sort of waltz in there and convert everybody, but I do think that that's having an impact, and sometimes I hear about it. In terms of encroaching on what is long-standing Republican territory,

can you speak on the fact that a lot of what we're seeing now feels like we're reclaiming what had long been Republican branding. I mean, to hear Democrats chanting USA or USA, to see Tim Walz's name on a camo hat, can you talk about that a little bit, about kind of the realignment that we're seeing right now? Because for a long time, this branding, they've benefited from it, but they've not actually done anything to prove that they're worthy of it.

there's a time when they tried to, you know, really capture the idea of patriotism as if the flag or the bald eagle belong to a political party, as if God belonged to a political party. And I think we're here to say no, that that's not how this works. We all believe in this country. And to me, there was kind of a thrill to hearing USA chanted, not just in a partisan, conservative environment, but to hear USA chanted at the Olympics and to hear it chanted at our convention in a way that talks about the USA, we want this country to be and that we aspire to live in. One of those pieces of branding is this idea that Republicans have owned this idea of freedom. But in fact, can you speak on what the modern Republican Party's idea of freedom as it stands actually is?

Well, the way I viewed it is that, you know, conservatives tended to just think about freedom from, freedom from taxes, freedom from regulation. Certainly, it's important that a government, an overbearing government can make you unfree. but I don't think that's really the direction we've been in in a long time in America for the most part. But to me, that's a very thin concept of what freedom is really about. I'm interested in freedom to live a life of your choosing. And you're not really free if you're one medical disaster away from bankruptcy. You're certainly not free if somebody else gets to tell you who to marry based on his interpretation of his own religion. And I think the destruction of Roe v. Wade and the Republican project to eliminate a woman's right to abortion access,

has really put an exclamation point on this struggle over freedom because, of course, that in a very literal, clear and important sense has made millions of Americans less free. So it gives us a chance to offer a different account of what it means to support freedom through political choice. As we see the ascendant campaign of Kamala Harris and simultaneously the flailing campaign of Donald Trump, he doesn't seem to be able to figure out how to reconstitute his campaign and kind of address the issues that were plaguing him moving forward. Do you think that he has the ability to actually fix what's wrong and move forward?

Is he that un-dynamic? Is he that immovable that he doesn't really have any ability to kind of adapt? I mean, we're a month in, and he still seems to be wanting to run against Joe Biden. You know, weeks and weeks after Joe Biden made that selfless choice to step aside. So you can tell that they are struggling to adapt, partly because I think they literally can't conceptualize. what the Harris Walls campaign is about. I think it's very hard for Donald Trump to understand a candidacy

that is not about the candidate themselves. And yet Kamala Harris and Tim Walls are people who get that it's not about them, it's about you. And as long as we keep it on that turf and have this conversation be about how Americans' lives are going to be different. The reason politicians matter

is because of the effect they have on Americans, not the other way around. I think that's great territory for us to contest this campaign on. But I do think he's strategic enough to know that that's true, which is why he keeps trying to do outrageous things to have the attention come back to him. Because, of course, the more we're talking about him, the less we're talking about you. Right. Well, to that point, though, when the attention has been on him, whether it's at the National Association of Black Journalists, whether it's at his Mara Lago Press conference, whether it's with his Twitter space, with Elon Musk, each of those moments actually resulted in another moment that didn't really redound to his benefit. I mean, denying the very ethnicity of Kamala Harris is not going to help him, especially not with people of color who his campaign ostensibly needs to reach out to if he wants to win this election.

So are you of the mind that we should allow him to just keep speaking and burying himself, or should we reclaim the spotlight wherever we can? I think it's a bit of both. I think we do need to respond to these things. How could you not when he says something so insulting to, you know, so many categories of people, pretty much all of us in some way. or another. You know, you have to respond to that, but I think you have to respond to that and then quickly come back to what we think is most important to talk about, because even though it is damaging to him when he is disparaging the service of veterans and war heroes or attacking black women or any of the other things he does, I think he has calculated, possibly he's not wrong about this, that it would be even worse for him if we were talking about his plans and policies, his tax cuts for the wealthy, his actions to eliminate a woman's

right to choose. his Project 2025 vision of eliminating the Department of Education and a whole bunch of other wildly unpopular things. Matter of fact, I think it's very significant that the most damaging scandal Donald Trump has faced so far all year is simply the publication of his own policy manual in Project 2025. Yeah. I would be remiss not to ask you while we are at the DNC with a max capacity arena here. What your thoughts are about the fact that Donald Trump seems to be having a little bit of trouble these days, beefing up his crowd sizes at his rallies. All the while, we are seeing full, full arenas, full auditoriums, full airport hangers for Kamala Harrison Tim Wallace.

You know, you can tell it's driving him nuts, and I think it's a show of momentum. And I also think, you know, the only thing he's going to achieve by making weird claims, for example, that these crowds aren't real when, like, they're obviously, very, very obviously real. That's exactly what he would say you would say. Yeah, that is true. But, you know, the only thing is going to achieve is to draw more attention to how real these crowds are in the same way that, you know, the only thing they achieve by attacking Tim Walz's military services, they remind everybody about Tim Walz's military service. So I do think it's something that continues to evolve. Now, you know, last time I saw the vice president a couple of days ago, she reminded me and she's reminding our whole party, we have to remember that this is an underdog effort.

We can't let it go to our heads that we have this incredible momentum. But the momentum is real. You can feel it in this hall. and we've got to bottle this up and take it with us for the next 11 weeks all the way to Election Day. Well, which brings me to my last question here, and that is, what is your warning here with 75 days ago, even amid a campaign that is so ascendant in which there's so much energy and enthusiasm to not basically take it for granted as we head toward November? Yeah, this is a game of inches, and we are going to have to earn every inch of ground, every vote, every precinct, every county. It's just the nature of our moment that this election will be close no matter what.

And so I'm thrilled by the momentum. I'm thrilled by the energy. I'm thrilled by the crowds. But none of that means that we can spare any effort to do everything it takes so that we have a good result in November. I'm joined here at the DNC in Chicago with Governor Gavin Newsom from my home state of California. Governor Newsom, thanks for joining. Good to be with you.

Good to be with you. Thank you so much. So we have seen Donald Trump dissemble over the last few weeks. A big part of what he's trying to do by maintaining this strongman persona is to show himself as stronger than all the Democrats. But we've only seen that kind of fall by the wayside and him continue to dissemble and throw these desperate punches left and right. Do you think that there's a way for him to come back from this, especially in light of what we're seeing here at the DNC? Well, you can never, as a political animal, you can't underestimate him. That said, he's a T-Rex within the Republican Party.

He'll kill you or mate with you. Outside of the Republican Party, he's a completely different thing. And right now, he's weakness, masquerading his strength. He has completely fallen flat. He's lost his bearings. And it's not only obvious in terms of the derivative nature of his performances, which are getting dollar and dollar and dollar, but the fact that so many members of his team in inner circle

are starting to express doubt and concern as well. Let's talk about his favorite topic, crowd size, for just a moment. We have seen the crowds get a little thin at his recent rallies, and yet we're here in Chicago at the DNC. This arena is packed night after night. We're also seeing rallies happening at the same time where Kamala Harris is showing up at the same time at the DNC, and those are packed as well. How do you think that that's going to land with him? I mean, it's all about aesthetics. It's all about style. There's never been about substance. So if that's what you score, is that what you consider it? That's your reflection of your value

and your self-worth, then it has a devastating psychological impact on him and makes them more unhinged, makes him more incapable of delivering a consistent and cogent message. And look, at the day, he needs to get back on track and very quickly. Our job is to make sure he doesn't get back on track, and that means we've got to maintain the vigilance and momentum moving forward. So you mentioned that he's getting more and more unhinged. Ultimately, I think if he looks back at 2016. And when he was able to just consolidate all of the attention onto himself, he's conditioned himself into believing that that's what it takes to win. That's what won him the election in 2016. We were focused on empty podiums as far as he was concerned. So he's

doing the same thing. He knows if he can say something that's loud or obnoxious enough that all of the eyeballs will go back onto him and then he'll win the election magically, just like he did back then. Do you think that strategy is going to prove successful for him? No, you're 100% right. I mean, he didn't care if he was the heel or the hero, as long as he was the star. And that's always been what he sells. And as long as, again, he's the area, but that's radically changed. It goes without saying there's nothing about Kamala Harris they were prepared for. They never saw this coming. They underestimated her. They undervalued her. They never imagined the Democratic Party would unify and unify so quickly. They're completely flat-footed.

And as a consequence, the focus is now on the new energy of the Democratic Party. And the end of the day, it's where the, you know, energy goes, momentum flows, and we're moving that momentum in towards direction at a time when he's losing the momentum. And that's going to ultimately be determined. You know, I remember just a few years back when it felt like Democrats had no bench, basically. And now you look at the young, the stars that make up the bench of the Democratic Party and how deep that bench is, yourself included. Can you speak on that and what you look forward to in terms of not just this election, but future election cycles? You know, Look, obviously, we have some remarkable people in the federal level.

I mean, senators and congressional leaders, but the quality of these democratic governors is next level. Yeah. I mean, you're going to see it showcase with Wes and Josh. Obviously, with Gretchen, you saw that in terms of the VP stakes. I mean, it was just like... And you won't say it, but you were very much on that list. No, hardly, but I appreciate it. But it is an extraordinary thing because you're exactly right.

It wasn't that many years ago. I was like, what the hell is going with the Democratic... If you look back into like the 2016 election, it very much felt like, okay, this is, you know, it's going to be Hillary Clinton because who else is there? The bench wasn't deep enough to have the depth of talent that we have now. Right. No, and I think what's remarkable also about the quality of this bench is the diversity in this context, not just ideological. It's usually better about which wing of the Democratic Party. Are you a DLC Democrat or are you, quote, unquote, progressive, more liberal, Bernie side of the other.

This is more nuanced the party now. It's now more geographic-based. It's obviously there's a racial ethic component, gender component. But it is a quality of imagination as well across a spectrum of unique and distinctive talents that make this a special group. And that's an especially potent point here because as we look at somebody like Tim Walls who you'd look at that guy and you don't exactly, doesn't exactly scream flaming liberal, right? Like, this isn't your communist, this is the usual communist leftist, Marxist Democrat that they're warning about. The guy is wearing camo. He comes from the Midwest.

He is a rural American, a high school coach, a union guy. And so, and that happens at the same time that we're seeing a lot of the chance in these rooms and these rallies, for example, be chance of USA, USA at Democratic rallies. I love that. Which is something you wouldn't see. We need to bring patriotism back to this damn party. Can you talk about Democrats reclaiming. a lot of the ideals that Republicans have been able to co-opt for so long. As you know, it's been a source of so much of my frustration,

the idea that we were losing the freedom ban. As these guys are banning books, banning speech, they were on this cultural purge, rewriting history, censoring historical facts. But this notion of patriotism is incredibly important. And I think there's a party, one of the key things that we need to focus more on, is not, as Bill Clinton would say,

all are interesting differences, but the things that bind us together. That web and mutuality, Dr. King talked about, and focus more on those unifying themes. And one of them is that we are all proud that we're all Americans. And it's a point of deep pride, not just Democrats. We all want to be loved. We all need to be love.

We all want to be protected. We all want to be respected. And Tim Waltz is one of those guys. They'll never talk down to someone. They'll never talk past someone. And you feel that. And that's a universal value. And I think it makes them universally appealing and profoundly potent as a VP candidate.

Universally appealing as a VP candidate. and start contrast to what we're seeing from J.D. Vance right now. Can you talk about, you know, we're talking about the authenticity of this guy. Can you talk about the phoniness of J.D. Vance? Anyone who calls Trump American Hitler that builds his career on actually calling balls and strikes and then completely reverses and flips, that's no character. Can't trust a thing the guy says. Cannot trust a thing this guy says.

And that follows suit, doesn't it? What a perfect choice for Donald Trump. Because that's the one damn thing they have in common besides. perverted points of view. Yeah. And in fact, I think even to a degree, Donald Trump started to see what an anchor around his neck, J.D. Vance has been because the first opportunity he had to either hug him or run away from him, he chose the latter. And I think it was at the National Association of Black Journalists where he was asked whether J.D. Vance would be ready for day one. And rather than saying, yes, of course, that's why I chose him as my VP

pick, he instead said, well, he's never going to be president anyway. It's just going to be, it's just going to be all about me. It's all about me. Immediately regretted the choice, immediately regretted the choice. And of course, how did he kick off after his convention? It was a week of stories about some of the asinine and absurd positions and things that publicly J.D. Vance has said about women, child. I mean, it's a nerd to our benefit. Momentum's now in our camp. We no longer have headwinds. We've got these tail wins. But again, Again, do not under it. We do it at our peril,

underestimating Donald Trump, figuring it ultimately out. As he's flailing now, that doesn't necessarily predict the future. Right. Talk about California for a second, because California is really surging into the spotlight here

in terms of the people that have come out of it. Kamala Harris is, you know, obviously the former Attorney General of California, U.S. Senator from California, and Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House from California. What is it like for you to come from this? state that was largely unrepresented

in the national stage and now it's the spot. I know. I mean the talent pull and coming out of the Bay Area as well. I mean, Kamala and Nancy. L.A. L.A., we've got some... You're doing fine. You've got two great U.S. senators from L.A. Kamala is now

a Los Angeles resident. That's right. But look, it goes to the nature. The politics in California, it's a contact sport. Those small cities, man, everybody. I mean, I don't care if you're housed or unhoused, people have opinions. They're up on the news. You can't get in a cab or Uber without someone expressing their point of view. So people are up on the issues. You've got to be at your game all the time. You've got to

watch your back in California politics. So it's such a great training ground. And what I love about Kamala is she really worked. It's bottom up. Assistant District Attorney in Alameda County, star shining brighter as DA, worked her way up in a tough race, gritty race, hard fought one as Attorney General, a leader nationally as AG. We saw what she did, tough advocate prosecuting the case, cross-examinations as the United States Senator. She had the courage, and it takes courage to run for President of the United States. That kickoff was next level inter-presidential.

The campaign was tough, but most of us that run for president, I haven't. For the grace of God, go, anyone, most of them lose. So she had, I think, a remarkable launch. that presidential campaign and she's been a remarkable BP, now she's going to be the next president of a United States. That's a hell of a hell of a career. You very smartly made the point that this thing is far from in the bag for Democrats. What's your message to Democrats as we head toward these final 75 days in terms of both maintaining a degree of optimism but then being

very aware of the threats that can face us? I mean, we've counted Donald Trump out once before. 100%. You can't run the 90-yard dash. We just had in the Olympics. There wasn't a sprinter that around the 90-yard dash. They run the 110-yard dash, so there are peak when they hit that finish line. We've got to have that mindset that we're at peak when we cross that finish line. We dialed it in with Hillary Clinton, didn't we, at the end?

We figured she's going in. We felt prey to the polls and punditry. None of us, I think, are naive in this case. But, look, bottom line, got to stay on the offense. We can't allow these guys to shape, ship this debate, and we're back on our heels. We've got to stay on top and get a unified voice

aggressively prosecuting the case against Donald Trump. Yes, for Kamala Harris, but against Donald Trump. Well, you're one of the Democratic Party's best messengers, so where are we going to see you in this final sprint for the first one? Wherever. I'm like, put me in, coach. Literally, literally. Like, put me in. So Coach Walts, put me in.

Coach Karas, put me in. So wherever we need to be, I was nice to be on the floor to be able to announce this 4802 votes for Kamala Harris. That was a gift. I was honored to be asked to do that. But look, it's too much at stake. And I say this is the guy comes from the most untrumped state in America. There's no state that has more to lose and more to gain than California.

We fall short. And finally, let's finish off with this. What's been your most memorable moment from the DNC so far? Honestly, it's a sense of spirit and pride. It's the intangible. Yeah. You can tell. It's not numbers, not numerics, it's not delegate counts and anything of that.

It's not who gave the best speech. It's what happens in between. It's those in between, it's those silent moments. It's the physiology of people. There's just energy and pride. And, you know, you just heard Corey say that about joy. Joyful warriors. And people, I think there's a warrior mentality that we're in a fight for the fate and future of our country,

that's world that we're trying to build. but there's a joyfulness. It's such a great point because, you know, Kamala Harris is running against the same opponent as Joe Biden was. It was just as clear when Joe Biden was running against Donald Trump, how dangerous he was, but something was missing in that campaign and that he wasn't able to prosecute the case for a second term. Kamala Harris is, and so now by virtue of being able to prosecute that case, but doing it in such a way that you are selling hope and optimism and a vision for the future, that is that intangible that we haven't seen, by the way, since 2000.

You got it. And that we're seeing again right now, and that is, you know, when you look back and what propelled us to victory in 2008, it's that sense of hope, it's that intangible that on paper you wouldn't think you need, but clearly with the way the polling has been going, the way registrations have been going, the way donations and volunteers, and, you know, unbelievable. That's the difference. And I think here's the difference between what Kamala Harris can do versus Joe Biden as

the incumbent, is she has the ability to pivot from the last three and a half years as Biden Harris administration take credit for a lot of the good things, but now create a compelling future. She has the opportunity Thursday to introduce herself to the American people. I mean, how many people go, I didn't know she worked at McDonald's. Totally. People didn't even know basic things about her. Introduce herself, but now paint a compelling picture about the future of this country and how everybody listening can feel included in that vision. And that is a unique and special opportunity she has. Well, very grateful for your voice. and I know I'm going to see a lot of you in the next couple months here, so thank you, Governor Newsom.

Good to see. Good to be with you, man. Thank you. Thanks again to Secretary Pete and Governor Newsom. That's it for this episode. Talk to you next week. You've been listening to No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen. Produced by Sam Graber, music by Wellsey, and interviews edited for YouTube by Nicholas Nicotera. If you want to support the show, please subscribe on your preferred podcast app and leave a five-star rating and a review. And as always, you can find me at Brian Tyler Cohen on all of my other channels. Or you can go to Brian Tyler Cohen.com to learn more.