No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen - Kamala pulls the ONE move that gets under Trump's skin most

Episode Date: September 1, 2024

Kamala pulls the one move that gets under Trump’s skin like none other. Brian interviews Speaker Nancy Pelosi to discuss whether defeating Trump is personal to her given January 6, Democrats prospects at taking back the House, and her legacy as Speaker.Order Shameless: https://www.harpercollins.com/pages/shamelessShop merch: https://briantylercohen.com/shopYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/briantylercohenTwitter: https://twitter.com/briantylercohenFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/briantylercohenInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/briantylercohenPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/briantylercohenNewsletter: https://www.briantylercohen.com/sign-upWritten by Brian Tyler CohenProduced by Sam GraberRecorded in Los Angeles, CASee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Today we're going to talk about Kamala Harris pulling the one move that gets under Trump's skin like none other. And I'm joined by Speaker Nancy Pelosi to discuss whether defeating Trump is personal to her given January 6th, Democrats' prospects at taking back the House, and her legacy is Speaker. I'm Brian Taylor Cohen, and you're listening to No Lie. There was a clip that went viral from the highly anticipated CNN interview with Kamala Harris. Here's that moment. I was a little bit surprised. People might be surprised to hear that you have never, interacted with him, met him face to face. That's going to change soon. But what I want to ask you about is what he said last month. He suggested that you happened to turn black recently for political

purposes. Questioning a core part of your identity. Yeah. Any same old tired playbook? Next question, please. That's it? That's it. Okay. And there was the media criticism following that question. and we'll get to that in a moment. But first, more importantly, here's why what Kamala did was so smart. Trump wants nothing more than to get Kamala Harris to take the bait and make this election a referendum on her race and get into blackness versus whiteness

and drive a wedge between white people and black people and allow Donald Trump to appeal to his overwhelmingly white base. And instead, she isn't doing any of that. She's hardly acknowledged her race at all. She's doing what Obama did in 2008, which is making this race not about her and her skin color, It's about us. It's about our future.

It's about our lives. She happens to be black, but this election isn't about her being black. It's about what we get out of it. What we get out of her election. It was a winning formula for Obama in 2008 and in 2012, and she is replicating that exact playbook again, smartly. And so not only is she not giving Trump what he wants by making this election a referendum on skin color,

which presumably is where he wants to traffic, but she's actually not even giving him the basic, of humoring him at all. She's just straight up dismissing the guy. Her response to his claim was like seven seconds long. That's it. And that infuriates him. She isn't even giving him the time of day. She's making him look small and weak, which is the worst thing for a self-perceived strongman. So again, I know that when Donald Trump says something insane, the gut reaction for any of us would be just to demolish him, to put him in his place, to shut him up, to belittle him. But I can't stress this enough, it is so much more painful for him to just be dismissed, to be ignored,

to have his power to get a rise out of us taken away. Kamala knows that. And when she dismisses him, she looks like the adult and Donald Trump looks like the child. He looks deflated and insignificant. She looks like the president and he looks like a clown. And by the way, that's not a strategy that's going to work for everyone, nor should it. Like, I actually believe pretty firmly in the strategy of showcasing Donald Trump's lunacy. Like, I think we stand to benefit a lot from reminding people who he is and about the chaos that enveloped this country when he was president. But that's my job versus Kamala's.

Her job right now is to stay focused on what she's offering Americans, on what's at risk in this election, and not on feeling some bizarre obligation to respond to all the stupid shit that Donald Trump says that bates her into meeting him on his level. Now, I mentioned the media criticism before. I got to say, like, they have been whining and complaining for. weeks that they didn't get their precious interview with Kamala Harris. And when they finally get it, they want to know what Kamala thinks about the stupid, inane bullshit that falls out of Donald Trump's mouth. That's what they were so desperate to hear from her. They needed

her response to Donald Trump saying that she decided to be black one day, really? I mean, I'm sorry, but there has to be more than just asking Democrats for their responses to bad faith Republican talking points in journalism. That cannot be what the media has devolved into. That that CNN is there to legitimize right-wing attacks by fielding responses to it on national TV. There was also one headline by Politico that I'm fairly certain you've all seen by now, but in case you haven't, I will do you the indignity. So in response to the question that we're all talking about here, where Dinabash asked Kamala Harris for her response to Donald Trump's absurd question

on her deciding to be black, Politico wrote the headline. Next question, Harris evades questions about her identity. Now, obviously, Kamala didn't evade the question. She very rightfully didn't give it the time of day because it is beneath her to humor nonsense like that. But here's my take on this, because I know this is causing a lot of consternation among everybody online.

I'm okay with it because selfishly, this is the exact reason why people are fed up with mainstream media. This both sides framing, this obvious gaming of the refs by the right, this taking everything Republicans say and do as being legitimate. and good faith, when all of that is backwards. And so these outlets, in their desperation to claw back some attention, are just doing obvious engagement bait or rage bait, and they're torching their reputations at the same time.

They are literally relegating themselves to obscurity with bullshit bad faith headlines like this one. And it's to the benefit of independent media. They're putting on a clinic in real time about why they shouldn't be trusted with the news. And of course, they'll have a momentary bounce, because we're talking about political right now, but is it really worth it under these circumstances? Is us talking about how they're doing a gross disservice to democracy

and can't be trusted really worth this momentary bump in clicks while a million new people think that they're failing to meet the moment? As somebody who understands how hard it is to gain an audience's trust and how much harder it is to retain that trust and how fragile that trust is, that's not a box of matches that I'd play with. Politico seems fine with it, but it's to their own eventual detriment. And if they want to push people away,

the place that those people are going to end up with is independent media. So I guess, like, their loss is our gain, which, by the way, isn't something I'm rooting for. I want the media to do what's right. I want the media to meet the moment. I want as many partners in democracy as we can get. But there's clearly not an incentive structure

for everybody here to act in good faith. And as long as they refuse to, I guess we can find solace in the fact that it doesn't come without cost. Here's my interview with Speaker Nancy Pelosi. I'm joined now by Speaker Pelosi. Thank you so much for taking the time. My pleasure, Brian. I was looking forward to being with you.

So we just saw a new January 6 footage from your daughter, from Alexandra, get released, showing how mad you were at Donald Trump and at the January 6 insurrectionists. And yet, right now, Donald Trump is out on the campaign trail. He's glorifying them. He is promising to pardon them. He's treating them as heroes. These people were there. at the U.S. Capitol because they wanted to kill you. They were seeking to assassinate you.

Can you explain how it feels to see him predicate his reelection on protecting those people and how personal this issue is for you? I think it's a sign of his weakness. This is a very weak person. He was weak when he incited an insurrection of the Capitol because he lost. He lost. He was a loser. and he couldn't face that reality, so he said it was a theft, sent these people to this. Now he's having like a, I don't know, a party honoring them or something. But the thing is, is that somebody said to me yesterday, so so many of the Republicans on Capitol Hill have re-evaluated what they saw that day. I said they're not reevaluating it. They're telling a different story.

They know what they saw that day. and they are now trying to cover it up because it is so awful that even they cannot accept how awful it was. So now they're lying about it, and that's what he's doing. But that's all the more reason why this man can never be anywhere near the White House again. That's why this election is so important. And that's why we have to make a decision to win. We made that decision. The president made that decision.

President Biden, we thank him for his patriotism. to save our country, and we thank him for his selflessness to step aside. He said, I love this job, but I love our country more. Another instance where political violence was validated was with the violence against your husband, Paul Pelosi, which you spoke about in your book, The Art of Power, a New York Times number one bestseller. Congratulations. So I want to get into that in just a moment, but first off, how is he doing and how is your family doing? Thank you. He's doing fine physically. Getting there. He has a little ways to go. The trauma is something that will be long-lasting for our family, for my children and our grandchildren of their father being assaulted and grandfather being assaulted in our home. And that's one thing. That's a horrible thing. But to have the former president of the United States and his family, Democrat, Republican governors, others making a joke of it.

that was really traumatic. That was so sad for a country and that people would laugh at such a thing. That's very traumatizing. Can you speak on that for a moment because Republicans will clutch their pearls at anything that Democrats do and claim that Democrats are seeking

to perpetuate political violence and yet in an instance where there was actually political violence and it occurred at the hands of Donald Trump because he incited these lunatics to go attack the U.S. Capitol to go attack you and your husband, for them to then turn around and laugh at it. Can you speak on that? Well, they take their example from him. This is a grotesque figure, Donald Trump, and he projects everything.

Like he'll call me, he'll call Hillary, crooked Hillary, he's crooked. He calls me crazy Nancy. He's crazy. Everything he does is a projection. So he is projecting onto the Democrats. He's saying the Democrats motivated the person to shoot him. No, but that might be something he might do. And so he projects.

And he's trained by example all these projections, others who will project. It's a really tragic thing for a country. The only remedy is to win. And the remedy to win is to win big. So that one, he goes on to say, I'll only accept the result. if I win. That's a lunatic. That's a lunatic. But yet, there are enough people who still decide they're going to vote for him, and we have to show them the difference in the vision for them for the future. That's what Kamala Harris and Tim Walz are prepared to do.

The title of your book is The Art of Power. It doesn't escape me that there is a link between the words The Art of Power and Donald Trump's book, which is The Art of the Deal, was reclaiming that phrase, something that you thought about in titling this book? No, I didn't even know what his book was called. I didn't know he even wrote a book much as I read one. No, I had nothing to do with that. I was contemplating different titles, and I came up with that. It had nothing to do with him.

I don't even know he wrote a book. You had mentioned President Biden's selflessness in deciding to step a step side. Can you talk about your relationship with President Biden right now? I know you've spoken in other interviews about how you haven't yet had the chance to speak to him since his decision to step down. How is your relationship with him? Can you speak a little bit on that? Well, I've had a relationship with him for decades. More than 40 years, long before I was in, before I was in Congress and again, seeing him emerge as a very young senator, not even old enough to be sworn. in when he was elected, but old enough by the time, so we're in day came. I've admired him

greatly. For three generations, our family has loved Joe Biden. My husband and I are his friends and Jill's friends. My children loved him as little children, and now they're all grown up, and my grandchildren love him. So it was out of deep love for him, deep love for his legacy, that it would be respected and right now and historically that I thought it was really important for him to have a better campaign to win the election. I haven't heard from him since. I think that the depth of our relationship

and the length of time that we've been friends will hopefully bring us together sometime soon. But I ran for this election, now to defeat Donald Trump and to elect Democrats to the Congress of the United States and across the board, state legislatures, the governors, and all the rest. But making sure that Donald Trump never set foot in that White House again and officially, personally, or in any other way. CNN just interviewed Kamala Harris and Tim Walz, and there was weeks prior to this interview

where all of the media, the mainstream media, was complaining that they hadn't had access yet to Kamala Harris and Tim Wals. And yet, when they did, one of the questions included asking Kamala Harris for her response to an inane Donald Trump quote where he denied Kamala Harris's biraciality. And of course Kamala Harris just brushed the question off,

didn't give it any attention because it didn't deserve any attention. Can you talk about the way that the media has handled this campaign and basically amplified a lot of right-wing talking points in the instances where they do have access to Kamala Harris and Tim Wals? Well, Donald Trump benefits from the media all the time because he says outrageous things and they think they have to cover it. If they just ignore some of his weaknesses, because that's

what it is, it would be a better thing. The fact that they would repeat that inane statement of his. It's so ridiculous. Kamala Harris is proud of who she is. She went to Howard University, a historically black university and college. So, I mean, why would you repeat such a thing? Right. But there's somehow or other, you turn on the TV, they're always talking about Donald Trump. Is there money in it? I don't know. Is that what it is? We are seeing an increasingly desperate Donald Trump, and he feels backed into. a corner. He does what he does when he does feel back into a corner, which is to lash out and say outrageous things because he saw what happened in the 2016 election where all he had

to do was say something crazy and he would get a ton of attention. And he's been conditioned in his own mind to think, all I got to do is get the attention back on me. Get the eyeballs back on me and poof, I'll win the election. Can you speak on whether you've seen this tactic before by Trump and what it actually signifies? Well, you know, it's interesting to me because I hear Kamala say to greater applause, I know people like him, I've prosecuted people like him. I know him. I know him. And this is somebody so unworthy of the adulation that he received from certain elements in our population.

And that's who they are. Who are they? Some of them are the people who will never get. You know, they don't like women. They don't like people of color. They don't like LGBTQ. They don't like immigrants. They don't like people who don't share their view on guns, God, and that's what they call the abortion issue, and gays and that.

So we won't ever get them. And then there are the very rich, the wealthy, wealthy people who have been pouring money into foundations and all the rest to make sure that they don't have to pay taxes or have regulation of anything they do. clean, water, clean air for our children, you name it. They're not with that. All they want is money. It's greed. It's massive greed on the part of this. Now, it isn't that many of those people electorally,

but it's a lot of money that funds this operation. The other, in between are people who genuinely have concerns about innovation. What does that mean to them and their family and their occupation and their livelihood? globalization, what is they've seen, the factory down the road, closed down. And those are legitimate concerns, which Joe Biden and Kamala Harris addressed in our rescue package, in our infrastructure package, and a rescue package without one Republican vote. Right. Pensions for unions and all the rest. The chips package, for example, 800,000 manufacturing jobs.

Yeah, and the chips package, the night before the vote, the Republicans said we're not voting for the bill. They made the chairman of the committee at the, not the chairman, but the top Republican on the committee. He pled, he made a beautiful case for the bill in the Rules Committee the night before. Then a couple hours later, they said, no votes for you. And I said, and they said to me, well, you know, we needed some of the Republican votes. I said, tell them, tell the Republicans to go, just forget it. We don't need them. We're going to do it without them. We're going to do it without them, but we had to pull in some of our own votes to make sure we could do it. And when we got to 218, some of the Republicans joined us, but they weren't allowed to join us until we

got to 218. Right, because then they realized that they wouldn't be able to take any of the credit that would inevitably come from this without having voted for it. Well, they sincerely believed in it, some of them. Yeah. Sincerely believed in it, 24 of them. Right. But it was more important to tow the party line in the lead up to that than to actually put country over party. They would have let it go down. They would have let it go down. 13 Republicans. They all go around as groundbreaking, ribbon cuttings as if they were there. They not only didn't vote for it, they criticized it was wrong, blah, blah, and now they're showing up.

The other thing is the Inflation Reduction Act, reducing the cost of insulin down to $35 from $500 a week. The biggest investment in saving our planet, jobs, jobs, jobs. recognizing the role of the private sector and creating those jobs with tax credits and the rest. Not one Republican vote. Right now, we are watching this battle take place between the U.S. and China for control of clean energy manufacturing. This is going to be the future. No matter how much Republicans pretend that entrenching our reliance on fossil fuels is the future, that is a dying industry and the future is clean energy.

So you have a Republican Party that is so focused on criticizing China, criticizing the CCP, and yet right now by virtue of entrenching our alliance on fossil fuels, are they not just ceding all of that control, all of the future, to the very country that they complain about? Yeah, but again, they're thinking in the near term. And in the near term, you have their leader, the thug that is the head of their cult, saying to the fossil fuel industry,

give me a billion dollars, and I'll reverse all of this. Isn't that so sad? Bought and paid for it. These guys are totally enabling that to happen. But it does have its own inevitability, and that's why this was a remarkable under leadership of the president. He was remarkable without one Republican vote, the IRA bill. I was very proud of it because we've been working on this for a long time, and the provisions

in the bill were part of what Kathy Castor had in our select committee working with business and labor, environmentalists and labor, religious community, you know, every aspect, farmers, private sector, every element to put something together that would get the job done and create the most jobs. 15, 16 million jobs created under the leadership of Joe Biden. The other guy, the worst job creation record since Herbert Hoover, since the great, depression, if anybody knows what that, historically knows what that is. But on top of that, that's about then. This is about the future. We're talking about how Coma's going to take it into the future, take us to new heights, predicated on that, demonstrating that we can get

the job done, but also listening, learning, taking it into the future where more people feel that they're part of the prosperity of our country. Well, a big part of our ability to actually be able to enact our agenda is making sure that we have control of the house. So how does that look right now as we head toward November? Well, I'm very proud of Hakeem Jeffries, and I'm absolutely certain he's going to be a speaker, nominated a speaker in, what, 10 weeks or something like that, but that he will be the speaker in January. And I just want everybody to understand, and this is self-serving. I'm going to praise myself. It was really essential that I be there as speaker on January 6th. not me, but a Democratic Speaker, be there then.

Hakeem being the Speaker on the ongoing is essential to our future, but it is essential to our democracy on January 6, 2025, because we must win this election. How does it look? It looks great. We're only four votes short. We lost five votes in New York. We picked up one so far. Hopefully we'll pick up more there, but we're working all.

over the country because I want more than that. As I said, I ran for this re-election to be in position to help win the Congress, but absolutely to be sure that Donald Trump did not win. What was the most important piece of advice that you handed off to Hakeem Jeffries? Oh, with Hakeem, I gave him the same advice that I received and that I give everybody else. Be yourself. Just go be yourself. And I expect you to to exceed anything that we did because of the platform that we have created for you and the base of support politically, financially and all outside, but internally.

And Hakeem has really the respect of our members in a beautiful, lovely way, and he's so eloquent. So my advice would just be yourself because you know what you need to do as a legislator, as a leader, as a political leader, as well as a policy. What kind of support are those Democrats that are running in Biden-1 districts where Republicans are currently serving? What kind of support are they getting, those candidates getting ahead of the November election? Oh, they're doing fine.

In some of those races, the incumbent isn't running. And that makes it easier. Right. It just makes it easier because in some of those districts, the incumbent wasn't this, shall we say, the enablers that the other people in Congress. So there aren't double-digit number of Republicans in the Senate. Right. I'm in the House.

I'm not speaking, I'm speaking just the House. There isn't, there aren't 10 people of any, shall we say, reliability to do the right thing. I'll give you an example. When this is 15, 16 million jobs, Herbert Hoover, that's one comparison. And this one is when we did Roe v. Wade to enshrine it into law, we didn't get one Republican vote, as you probably would expect. But then I wanted to bring to the floor, Kathy Manning's bill, which was women have a right to contraception. Some members said to me, you're giving the Republicans a way out. They'll look normal or something.

I said, don't you worry about that. They're not going to pick up on any effort to help them look more than. Right to contraception. You would think that if you reject terminating an abortion, you would welcome contraception. Right. Eight Republicans voted yes. One hundred and ninety-five Republicans voting. No, women do not have a right to contraception.

On an issue, by the way, that has lost Republicans elections in Kansas, Kentucky, Ohio, Virginia, Alabama. So you would think that they would see that. help themselves basically because it doesn't help Democrats for them to do this. This would be to help themselves electorally. I understand. My colleague said they're going to help themselves on this but... Apparently not.

Eight. And of course they're following their leader who doesn't, I mean he has been so he doesn't even know what he cares about. Now this for me is something that I have five, my husband and I have five children and six years

and seven days. We were respect everybody else's faith, family planning, all the rest of it to do what they need to do. And for him to be talking about

taking pride in overturning Roe v. Wai by appointing those judges. And then coming around and saying, well, I don't know about Florida and the shoe on the ballot. Such a raging, inflamed hippocry.

But you know what? Let's not pay attention to him. He's a weak, soon to be twice impeached, twice defeated, former president of the United States. Let's talk about what good things there are to come under Kamala Harris and Tim Walls as we go forward. Well, to that point, Republicans have been seeking to redefine Kamala Harris and Tim Walls in their desperation to find something to stick on them. Can you talk about what your elevator pitch to voters is in terms of how you would define Kamala Harris and Tim Walls heading into November? I would say that it's about their vision, the difference between their vision and the Republican vision. I would take you to the kitchen table with them, an America's kitchen table, the most powerful table in America, not a corporate table, not a cabinet table, a kitchen table where families make their decisions. and the decisions that families have to make about the cost of health care, the cost of prescription drugs, the freedom, which is an economic issue, the size, timing, or if you want, to have a family, the security of their pensions, job creation, and the rest, I would take them to the kitchen table and say, at your America's kitchen table, Tim Walz and Kamala Harris, have been there in their own lives, in their own experience, and to the middle class. And that's why the answer to her, the first question,

the first question in the interview was she will address middle income, an economy that works for middle income families. And that's really what's so important. It said of a tax bill, the only thing the Republicans did, the only thing the Republicans did when they had the majority, and what's his name, was in the White House, was to pass a tax. tax bill, a tax bill that gave 83% of the benefits to the top 1% adding to trillion.

I didn't say billion or million, trillion, TR, trillion dollars to the national debt, these fiscally responsible people adding $2 trillion to national debt for something that gave a benefit to the richest people in America, corporate and personal individuals. So getting back to what they have to put out there is they, Kamala and Tim are there for America's working families addressing their kitchen table issues as opposed to Bozo who's there for the weak bozo who's there for the wealthy. I think that the most telling part of that is that Donald Trump is doing the same schick that he did in 2016 where he presents himself as this populist hero. and when he was running in 2016, he claimed that he was going to have a health care plan that was more comprehensive and less expensive.

He claimed that he was going to add jobs. He claimed that he was going to pass an infrastructure law to help Americans. He claimed that he was going to pass a middle-class tax cut. At the end of the day, to your exact point, all he did with his political capital was a tax cut for millionaires and billionaires. That's it.

When push came to shove and he actually had the opportunity to walk the walk, what he did was just help himself and his rich donors. You did bring up a point that I thought was important, and that is this idea of freedom. And we have seen Democrats reclaim a lot of the ideals that Republicans had been hiding behind as part of their branding.

And one was this idea that they are the party of freedom. And so in the last few weeks, we have heard Democrats at rallies chanting USA, USA, USA. We have heard Kamala Harris talk about the importance of NATO. We have heard Democrats writ large talk about the importance of protecting freedom. As someone who's focused on messaging for a long time, How does it feel to see this message, the reclaiming of this idea of patriotism, kind of breakthrough for the left?

Well, it's always been there for us. There's nothing new in our patriotism, nothing new in honoring the vision of our founders of a country that is free and democratic and respectful of individuals. Nothing free of our support for our men and women. Nothing new about our support for our men and women in uniform and respecting them when they come home and meeting their needs. Nothing new about our commitment to NATO. It's just that maybe it hasn't been messaged adequately. You assume that people know, but assume nothing.

You know, assume makes an ass of you and me. That's how that word is spelled. So, but the fact is the other side has been totally hypocritical about it. I think Donald Trump exposed the, the veneer of the reality, which is that they're not patriotic, that these people don't care about America, that they don't care about the military or family values or states rights or fiscal responsibility or law enforcement or the Constitution. Or the peaceful transfer of power. Our democracy depends on respect for free and fair

elections. And they have demonstrated very clearly. They're not there for that. It's about money. It's about greed. And that's just the way it is. Now, again, Democrats have always been patriotic. So it's not new, but maybe it needs to be President Lincoln at the record show that I am quoting a Republican president. President Lincoln said public sentiment is everything. With it, you can accomplish almost anything without it practically nothing. But for public sentiment to prevail, people have to know. And just not enough people knew what was.

what the difference was between the two visions. Kamala Harris and Tim Walz will make that clear. They make it clear from their personal lives. I know them both very well. They're people of deep faith, and that speaks as reflected in their public service and their respect for people. They're people of, that's personally, officially.

They are strong in their knowledge of the policy and the difference it makes in people, lives and their strategy to get things done, as well as their eloquence in conveying the message. And then politically, they're very astute. Tim Walls won in a district that was very, very red in 2006. Many of us believed in him. Christine had him in her bootcams, and he turned a very red district by bringing together

Democrats, Republicans, independents to win, to come to the Congress, vote for the Affordable Care Act. That took courage from that district. Go back and win again to come back to be a champion for veterans and the ag community in the Congress. If Democrats win the White House, win the Senate, win the House, will you stay in Congress? Well, but let's take it one step at a time. Let's just win this election. It's just win this election.

But when we do, one of the first things we have to do is get rid of the filibuster rules so that 51 votes can pass Roe v. equality act for LGBTQ community rights. Freedom to vote act. And I'll come to that because that's the most important one. All of these things, whether there's gun violence, freedom from gun violence, the list goes on. But the Freedom to Vote Act has an impact on everything else. And that we have what I think is a clear vision from the Senate

that they would do that as soon as we win this election. And a trifect, a House, Senate, White House, but also governorships and across the board. Finally, let's end off with this. What do you hope that your legacy will be at the end of your storied House career? Well, first of all, I mean, the Affordable Care Act, it's not just my legacy, it's the legacy of the unity of our Democrats. I said to them over and over, our diversity is our strength. Our unity is our power. and that unity make a difference at the kitchen table of millions, tens of millions of

American people. So I keep coming back to that because it's a legacy of policy, but it's also a legacy of unifying my members and listening to how they would like to proceed, building consensus, respecting diversity, unifying the party to pass a bill without one Republican vote. It seems like a good place to leave off. Speaker Pelosi, congratulations on the art of power on your book. And thank you so much for taking the time to speak with me today and for all of the work that you've done.

Thank you. Thank you. I look forward to reading your book, shameless. Thanks again to Speaker Pelosi. That's it for this episode. Talk to you next week. You've been listening to No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen. Produced by Sam Graber, music by Wellesie, and interviews edited for YouTube by Nicholas Nicotera. If you want to support the show, please subscribe on your prefer. podcast app and leave a five-star rating in a review. And as always, you can find me at

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