On Purpose with Jay Shetty - 3 Relationship Routines that Successful Partnerships Use to Build Deeper Connection
Episode Date: January 29, 2021Everyone talks about their personal goals in the new year. They want to change their routine to sleep more, or meditate, or try a new hobby. But what about changing and strengthening your relationship... routines? On this episode of On Purpose with Jay Shetty, Jay offers 3 routines you can consciously co-create with your partner that will strengthen your bond and invigorate your relationship. If On Purpose inspires you, Jay’s exclusive Genius workshops and meditations will take your life to the next level. Go to https://shetty.cc/OnPurposeGenius to learn more.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Burned out, busy, overwhelmed, overworked. These days, when we've
got more priorities and tasks to handle
than ever before, according to the BBC, while we don't necessarily have less free time
than our counterparts in the 1950s, it sure can feel like it. That's in part because of technology
creep, because of all our notebooks, phones, and apps, we're more available than ever,
so we have less uninterrupted time.
When it feels like time and energy are just slipping away like sand, how can we
prioritize tending to our relationships? Today I'm going to give you three
relationship routines that will give you the time and space to build a love
that lasts. There are also tons of routines we can develop around our work. I often ask my guests
about their daily and life routines because to me when they're created thoughtfully, routines
are structures that set us up for success. Today we're continuing with the theme of looking at one
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which is all about how we can develop
routines that will enable us to train our brains and direct our lives to achieve our goals
and to feel greater meaning and satisfaction. Here's a short passage from the chapter
that's my inspiration for today's podcast. In the ashram, we started each morning in the spirit of
the day we plan to have, and
we trained ourselves to sustain that deliberateness and focus all day long.
Sure, that's all fine and good if your daily schedule involves prayer, meditation, study,
service and chores, but the outside world is more complex.
One of the biggest differences between life and the ashram and life in the outside world,
and it's a huge one, is that at the ashram, monks are celibate. Now, as a former monk, I'm married,
and so my entire life is bound to this other very wonderful person who I absolutely adore and love,
and reflecting on that made me start to wonder. We talk so much about individual routines,
and creating and setting those with intention.
But what about relationship routines?
And a lot of people don't want to have relationship routines
because they think it takes out the spontaneity.
It leads to monotony and it leads to feeling the same
and getting bored, but actually routines
make space for spontaneity.
Structure, as Kobe Bryant told me on the podcast,
when he came on as a guest,
lots of love to him and John and the family,
he said that structure creates spontaneity.
So today, we're going to look at how you can use
the signs of routines to support your relationships.
Now, I know that for some of you,
especially those of you who've been together longer might
be thinking, Jay, the problem is that too much of our relationship is Rue team, we need
to mix it up.
If that's the case, you probably don't have so much routine in your relationship as bad
or boring habits, things you're doing unconsciously.
Horace Mann, who was an American educator once said, habit is a cable.
We weave a thread each day and at last,
we cannot break it.
Now, if those habits you've developed
are unintentional and negative ones,
that cable would seem harsh and restrictive, right?
But what if you could create thoughtful and positive habits
that help to weave a cable of deep connection and trust
between you and your partner?
Today, we're going to talk about the routines you can consciously co-create
that will strengthen your bond and then live in your relationship.
Now, just a note before we dive in,
I'm going to focus on romantic relationships,
but for those singles out there, don't worry,
I'm also going to include some specific advice and insights for you.
And of course, this can be applied to friendships too.
So for starters, when we're building routines,
we want to focus on the outcome we're trying to create.
Now on the show, I've had the honor and pleasure
of talking to relationship researchers
and experts, John and Julie Gottman,
founders of the Gottman Institute.
And if you missed that episode, go and check it out
because it's filled with incredible insights and advice.
One of the things John Gottman has uncovered
in his decades of research on couples is that
there's a critical ratio that has a massive impact on determining whether or romantic
relationships succeed or fail.
That ratio is 5 to 1, and what those numbers mean is that for every one negative interaction
you have with your partner, you want to have at least 5 positive ones.
If your average is lower than that,
if you say three positive interactions per negative one, or if you have more negative
interactions than a positive one, according to the data, your relationship is not likely
to succeed. So knowing this, I'm going to say, let's create that as our intention in
building these relationship routines to support positive interactions in our relationships
and get that number up. Okay? That's our goal. Here's an idea. Take a stick, you know,
and put it under the refrigerator or the bathroom mirror, or if you have something like a white
board or a chalkboard or a bulletin board in your home, tack up a note that just reads 5 to 1.
That will remind you both of your why for training these new routines into habits.
Now, have you ever done that thing where at the end of the year you look forward to the next year
and you kind of set some goals and you plan some things out or maybe you're starting a new project
and you have to map out a way to get there? So what do you do? If you want to be successful,
you break it down into smaller chunks, right? You look at what's my end goal,
then you look at what are the incremental pieces or steps I need to take to get there.
For us today, we just established our end goal. We want our ratio of five to one positive
to negative interactions, even more positive if we can manage it, because we want to feel
long term meaning and connection in our relationships.
We don't just want to be in our relationships, we want to enjoy them to feel seen and heard and supported.
So how are we going to get there? Just like with the work or personal goal or project,
we're going to break your new relationship routines down into the things that you need to do daily, weekly or monthly,
and seasonally to reach that five to do daily, weekly or monthly and seasonally
to reach that 5-1 goal or better.
Now you might say, Jay, that sounds like a lot and I'm already busy.
I'm already feeling overwhelmed with work or the kids or just with life.
How am I going to institute all of these new relationship routines and stick with them?
I get it.
So many of us are feeling overwhelmed, but there are two things.
First, we're going to make these routines simple.
These will be things that you can actually do that won't take too much time on money
or other resources.
And here's the second thing.
These routines are designed to pay you back.
The time you invest in them will actually make deposits in your bank account, into your
relationship account, and in your bank account into a relationship account
and into your personal account. You'll actually feel more connected with one another.
And so by doing these routines, you'll feel more resource and energised.
So let's start with one relationship routine you can practice every day.
Now remember, you can always add more daily routines, but I encourage you to start small.
Because if you take on a ton of new routines all at once,
you can feel overwhelming and you won't keep them up.
Before I get to the daily routine, I'm going to tell you a story.
This was something I came across on a website the other day, on a page of anonymous people
telling stories of moments that impacted them, and I really loved this one.
One day a young man was walking near a transport underpass when he saw an elderly woman shuffling
along carrying a shopping bag full of groceries in each hand. Man was walking near a transport underpass when he saw an elderly woman shuffling along
carrying a shopping bag full of groceries in each hand.
As she approached the stairway, he hurried towards her,
«Mam, can I help you,» he asked.
«Thank you,» she said,
«and let him take the bags and hold her elbow while he walked her up the ladder.
When they reached the top, she said,
«Young man, can I trouble you with another favor»
she turned and pointed down the street.
Would you mind walking to me
to the far corner of that intersection?
It's just that I'm in a hurry.
Every time I go out,
my husband likes to meet me at the corner near our house.
He'll be there soon
and I don't like to keep him waiting.
The young man nodded, sure he said,
and walked it down the block
and threw the intersection to the opposite corner.
Just as they were approaching the corner, sure enough from the other end of the block, an old man shuffled towards them.
As he approached the young man, could see that the older man was nearly blind,
and the old woman told her husband about the young man's kindness, the old man turned to him, shook his hand and thanked him.
As the young man walked home, all he could think about was his girlfriend
and how he never met her at the corner or anywhere. He never helped her with the groceries.
He sometimes didn't even look up from the television when she came home, instead just
muttering, hey, what do people so often say about relationships and what's truly meaningful?
It's the little things, right? The old man meeting his wife at the corner
was no longer a little thing,
because of their physical challenges.
It had become a big thing,
but it was a routine that had started
as a little thing many years before.
So that's going to be your daily relationship routine.
Make time for one little thing.
That's a really big thing.
And this routine will take you literally only one minute.
You're going to stop what you're doing,
put down your phones, and have no other distractions,
and this is all you're going to do.
You're going to look into one another's eyes
and say something kind to the other person.
Like an expression of gratitude, appreciation, or affection.
You can even hold hands if you want.
That's it.
First one goes, then the other.
I've been practicing this in my life unconsciously for years.
I've noticed that whether it was my mother cooking for me
or my father or whether it was my sister or my wife
or a friend, I would always, always appreciate my gratitude
for the work that went into it.
I've never been a cook and I find it very difficult, so I really realize how much effort goes
into cooking, just thanking someone for the effort and time they've put in.
Even if it's interacting the way they interact with your children, the way that person comes
home from work in a positive mood, whatever it may be, just notice that and be specific.
I often talk about the importance of being specific when it comes to gratitude and science
backs that up.
In an analysis of 91 different studies on gratitude, researchers found that when someone
expressed gratitude about something specific, instead of something more general, the person
they expressed their gratitude to was more likely to pay it forward, to go out and make
a contribution to the world
at large. It's great to tell someone I love you or I appreciate you, but if you're really
specific, your words are more impactful and memorable. They also help you learn what
words and actions your partner values most. So when you do your little thing, when you
have your focus minute together, say something like, I really appreciate how you read books to the kids late at night, so I could go to bed a little earlier.
Thank you.
Or I'm grateful that you took the car in for an oil chain so I could take that Zoom call.
That was really helpful and I like that you're such a great teammate in that way.
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Hey, I get it. Creating a new routine, even a simple one can be hard.
Science shows that when we link a new routine to something we already do, it's
easier to maintain. So try linking your new routine to something we already do, it's easier to maintain.
So try linking your focused minute to something you already do and they already do.
Maybe you do it when you're drinking your coffee or tea in the morning,
first thing after you wake up or while you're eating breakfast,
or if it works better before you go to bed, just be sure to give it 100% undivided attention each time for that minute.
So, those of you with kids, you might have to sneak into the bathroom
or a closet together to get that minute alone,
but it's worth it.
It really doesn't take much,
and again, it has a huge impact.
A lot of the time when we talk about advice for couples,
we talk about the importance of dialogue
and open communication.
And that's true, but what's also true is that you've been struggling as a couple.
Or if you've each been carrying a lot of individual stress,
it can be really hard to just put everything aside and try to have a deep, meaningful conversation, all of a sudden.
Vivek Mority, who is a physician and a former surgeon general of the US,
says relational context is the foundation of dialogue.
He says it's hard, if not impossible,
to sit down and have a truly open-minded
and meaningful talk with someone
unless you already have a connection.
This simple daily routine creates brief moments
of meaningful ongoing connection
so that when it's time to have a deeper discussion, it's easier.
Now, that's easier.
Now, that's your daily routine. So until weekly relationship routine, I bet you know what I'm going to say because this is the advice that's all over the place. Have a weekly date night,
right? But are date nights all they're cracked up to be? A group of researchers analyzed data
from nearly 10,000 Marie couples to find out how often they are date nights
and how long each stayed together.
They found that 11% had a weekly date night, 30% had a monthly date night,
23% said they had somewhat of a routine date night,
but it was less frequent than once a month,
and 36% said they hardly ever had a date night.
So which couples do you think lasted the longest?
Over the next 10 years, the couples who stayed together were those who had a date night
once a month.
And get this, those who had a weekly date night had the same odds of staying together as
those who hardly ever had a date night.
Now that might sound counterintuitive, but to some of you, it probably makes sense.
After all, the researchers noted that some couples said planning a weekly date night was
just too much pressure.
They had to come up with what to do.
They had to spend money.
Many couples had to find a babysitter.
And for others, they genuinely had too many other demands on them to make a weekly date
possible.
So let's break down this idea of a date night and see what routine we can create that is truly positive for your relationship.
Here's the thing, a routine is like a frame and a frame by itself is, well, empty. It's what you fill it with that matters.
Are you going to fill your frame with someone beautiful and thoughtful or with a print of dogs playing poker.
Routines are great because they create a structure in which something else can happen, but the
quality of that something else is up to you.
A structure creates priority, but its content creates passion.
It's not just about having date night.
It's about the quality of the time you spend together.
Sometimes date nights are performative, right?
They serve as something you just check off on your list or post a pic on Instagram and they lack meaningful
effect in your relationship. Some people absolutely love their weekly date night, and if that's
you, that's great. Keep it as your routine. But for the rest of you, if you've never tried date
night or a weekly date night, it's just not realistic or creates too much pressure,
instead try a weekly or monthly play date.
One of the things that's really hard on relationships is falling into ruts.
Plus, everyone so busy and burned out these days, one thing we could all use a lot more
of is fun and play.
So whether it's playing a board game together, doing an escape room, going to a party together,
even Zoom happy hour, where you socialize as a couple, playing tennis or another sport as long as you
don't get too competitive, or even taking some of your kids building blocks and building something
together, or coloring, finding something fun and low stakes that doesn't have pressure or heavy
expectations tied to it, although Lego can get pretty serious. And the thing I also love about a lot of these ideas is that so many of them are totally free.
You can also make them time limited if you need to,
spend 30 minutes doing a puzzle together
if that's what you have.
And be creative.
Something will work for you.
One couple I know had two very young kids
and had recently moved across the country.
So they had no one, they knew and trusted the babysit.
Some days they said it was like there were so many demands and interruptions, it was
impossible to just connect with one another about something other than the kids or the house.
Now, though they went to sleep at different times, they both are avid readers.
So the solution they came up with was to create their own two-person book group.
It actually happened by accident when one bought a book on Kindle and mentioned she was going to read it.
And her partner said, I'd actually like to read that too.
So they read it at the same time.
They found that in spare minutes here and there, like over breakfast,
they'd start talking about it. Like, what part are you at? And what did you think when this happened?
It became a little bonding thing they were doing and they both really enjoyed. And two years
later, they're still doing it. They've now read 15 books together.
The other thing you might have noticed is that all of the suggestions I've made are offline.
That's because these days we spend so much time with our technology,
it's like our phones and computers steal our attention from one another.
When we unplug, we bring our full attention to the other person
and the activity we're participating in.
And single taskings, not only good for your relationships,
it's good for your brain.
It helps you focus and be more mindful and present overall.
Now, lastly, onto those less frequent routines,
a common suggestion is to take an annual trip together.
And that's a great idea.
But for one, it's just not accessible or realistic
for everyone.
I have a little bit of a different take on it,
and that's to have a routine
for something you do together every season.
So that's four things a year that are specific to that season.
Now, those things will differ for you based on culture
and what the weather's like in your part of the world
at different times.
But for example, I have friends who every fall drive down
a particular road called Skyline Drive
to see the leaves changing color.
They put on fun music and just enjoy
the spectacular scenery together.
I've other friends who have a special cookie-making day every Christmas.
It's not just a routine, but a ritual they look forward to every year.
One of the things I love about this is that like nature,
relationships have a rhythm.
Everything there is a season, as the song says.
Having things you do together seasonally
helps you connect in a way to larger rhythms of life
and the passage of time.
And over the years, you can reflect on these repeated
experiences and also discuss some of the things
that have changed in your relationship.
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You can take the opportunity to look at what you'd like to keep
and give gratitude for and what you'd like to release from your relationship.
Now, singles, I promised I'd have something for you and I haven't forgotten. Here's
the cool part and something I really encourage you to do. You can tend to your relationship
with yourself in these exact same ways. Being single is an incredible opportunity to do
something that so many of us really do, which is to spend the kind of time and attention
on ourselves we sometimes
wish another person would spend on us.
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relationship with yourself, when you do get into a relationship with another person,
you're then coming into it from a more empowered and balanced place.
So you're more likely to have a relationship that's healthy and that lasts because you aren't looking to this one person to meet all of your needs.
You're already happy.
So daily, take that minute to look at yourself in the mirror and say something supportive or kind to yourself or acknowledge something you appreciate about yourself.
Weekly or monthly, have a play date with yourself. Do something engaging and fun and have a special routine of something you do every season that you enjoy, and that can also serve as an invitation to reflect
on what in your life you want to keep, and what it might be time to let go.
So those are three relationship routines designed to increase the quality of your relationship,
something every day, something every week, and something every season.
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