On Purpose with Jay Shetty - 5 Lessons From Malcolm X On The Power Of Media, Racial Injustice & Uniting Together For Humanity

Episode Date: June 19, 2020

What questions would you ask if you could sit down with one of your heroes? As part of his “Interviews With The Dearly Departed,” Shetty interviews Malcom X and gives us his insight on the burning... questions of today based on his media interviews, written works, and speeches. Malcolm X was assassinated for his commitment to humanity. Spike Lee and Denzel Washington Turned ‘Malcolm X’ into a film based on the 1965 autobiography co-written by Malcolm X & Alex Haley.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I am Yom Le Van Zant and I'll be your host for The R Spot. Each week listeners will call me live to discuss their relationship issues. Nothing will tear a relationship down faster than two people with no vision. There's y'all are just floppin' around like fish out of water. Mommy, daddy, your ex, I'll be talking about those things and so much more. Check out the R-Spawn on the iHeart video app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. I'm Jay Shetty and on my podcast on purpose, I've had the honor to sit down with some of
Starting point is 00:00:37 the most incredible hearts and minds on the planet. Oprah, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Hart, Lewis Hamilton, and many, many more. On this podcast, you get to hear the raw, real-life stories behind their journeys and the tools they used, the books they read, and the people that made a difference in their lives so that they can make a difference in hours. Listen to on-purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Join the journey soon.
Starting point is 00:01:02 Hi, I'm David Eagleman. I have a new podcast called Inner Cosmos on iHeart. or wherever you get your podcasts. Join the journey soon. Hi, I'm David Eagleman. I have a new podcast called Inner Cosmos on I Heart. I'm going to explore the relationship between our brains and our experiences by tackling unusual questions. Like, can we create new senses for humans? So join me weekly to uncover how your brain steers your behavior, your perception, and your
Starting point is 00:01:27 reality. Listen to Intercosmos with David Eagleman on the I Heart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. It's not about calling out the sound saying look your races, look you're a bad person, look you don't understand. It's actually about empathetically helping people understand, helping people create love, helping people find patience in their life because it's unhealed wounds that make us hurt others.
Starting point is 00:01:50 What unhealed wound do you have? What racism or prejudice or discrimination exist in your life that stops you from loving someone else. Hey everyone, welcome back to on purpose. Thank you so much for being a part of this community. I love seeing your Instagram posts. I love reading your reviews. It means the world to me that you take out time to do that. If you haven't yet subscribed, please subscribe.
Starting point is 00:02:23 If you haven't left a review, please do. It makes a huge difference to the podcast. And actually, I'm going to read a couple right now because they are so awesome. And I really, really appreciate them. Here we go. This was the June 15th podcast. And someone goes, Nadine Adriana says,
Starting point is 00:02:39 that was one of the most powerful podcasts I've listened to all year long, such amazing information. I've been listening to Jay for about almost a year now. Every single podcast that I've listened to is so insightful. Thank you so much. I really, really appreciate that. This is one from Alejandra Vanessa says, I've been listening to Jay's podcast for almost one year. Thank you so much, by the way. And let me tell you, you can feel Jays energy just gleaming out of the podcast, the amount of knowledge and knowledge
Starting point is 00:03:08 of all people on this podcast is amazing. Yes, we're lucky to have amazing guests. I learn something every morning from listening to this podcast and it helps me implement what I've learned in my daily life. Thank you Jays for sharing so much and helping us. Well, thank you to each and every single one of you. It means the
Starting point is 00:03:25 world to me that you're listening. It means the world to me that you're sharing. And I can't wait to hopefully one day meet all of you. At the end of this episode, I'm going to share a spoken word that I wrote that I really can't wait for you to hear. So make sure you listen all the way through. I can't wait to share it with you. Now, we started this series earlier this year and we called it interviews with the Daily Departed. I had this vision of introducing you to people that I was so fortunate to read their books, study their works, learn and try and understand
Starting point is 00:03:58 their thoughts and philosophies. And I started researching them in my teens and I would have loved to have them on the podcast if they were alive. But I realized this, that I could speak to incredible people that were alive, but I couldn't speak to the incredible people that had passed away. So we started this new segment called interviews with the Daily Departed, where I select specific figures from history that I believed were so powerful and intriguing and I'm just so curious about the way they thought
Starting point is 00:04:30 and what they believed in how they lived life. And I love bringing them to life for all of you in these episodes. And I'm trying to pick ones that I feel irrelevant to the time that we live in because I do feel it so important to think about like if this person was alive right now, what would they say?
Starting point is 00:04:49 Right, if this person was here right now, how would they react? And maybe you do that with family members you think, like if my father or my mother, if you've lost them unfortunately and you're thinking, well, what would they feel about this? Or you may do it with your spirituality or you may do it with anyone that you've lost,
Starting point is 00:05:06 and you may think, well, if they were around right now, what would they think about this? What would they feel about this? And I think it's a really, really powerful question to actually ask, because you see things through the lens of someone that you believed had a very important outlook on life around that theme and subject matter.
Starting point is 00:05:26 Today's guest, as you already know, is none other than Malcolm X. Now, for those of you who don't know Malcolm X, he's a bit of an intraffidudo Malcolm X, then you're already excited about this podcast. So Malcolm X was born on May 19, 1925 in Omaha, Nebraska. He was the fourth of eight children born to Louise, a homemaker, and a little, a preacher who was also an active member of the local chapter of their organization. Now Malcolm X was a minister, human rights activist, and prominent black nationalist leader who served as a spokesman for the nation of Islam during the 1950s and 1960s. Malcolm X encouraged blacks to break out
Starting point is 00:06:11 from the shackles of racism by any means necessary. At the start of the 1950s, he was under FBI surveillance and this continued to his death. He was assassinated in 1965 at the Audubon Ballroom in Manhattan. Now, what I find fascinating about this just before we even get into it and before we get started is about the number of people that stood for something
Starting point is 00:06:40 that ended up being assassinated, whether you look at JFK or of course, which was all my Malcolm X. So you talk about Martin Luther King. You look at Gandhi, right? All of these incredible figures were assassinated for their work, for standing up for something, for believing in something.
Starting point is 00:06:59 Just think about for a moment, whatever viewpoint you have or whatever belief system you come from, the reason I'm doing these episodes is for us to understand these people that were willing to risk their lives, that were willing to go to that extent, to stand up for something. It truly takes something really powerful to be able to do that. And I just think that it's something that we should really, really not take lightly. It's something that we can draw a lot of insight from. I want this podcast to be educational and hopefully enlightening too. And I want it for us all to be a learning process.
Starting point is 00:07:36 I know that in the research of this podcast, I'm looking at the writings, the speeches of Malcolm X. And so what I do in these episodes is that I ask Malcolm X a question as if he was sitting in front of me right now. And I read an answer that he actually gave in an interview or a speech. So I am not creating the words of Malcolm X. I'm not adapting them. I'm sharing them as they are, but in relevance to what I would ask him if we were sitting in front of each other today. And I believe it leads to a really, really interesting conversation. So obviously Malcolm X was someone who is fully committed to his pursuit of racial justice.
Starting point is 00:08:16 And today, we welcome his words to help guide us through the current times we're facing. Please come into the interview with an open mind and an open heart. And I thank you so much for that openness because I believe we're living at a time right now where we've really put a spotlight on to racial injustice. And no matter what background you're from, I'm sure that so many of us have experienced and endured racism. I know I have in my own life as well. I have experienced racism, whether it's racist remarks, whether it was racist behavior, sometimes from people in authority, whether it was teachers or potential employers. But what we're seeing today, especially with the Black Lives Matter and the Black community, is to recognize how systemic the racism is and to what extent it is with people actually
Starting point is 00:09:12 worrying for their lives. The first question I would ask Malcolm X is, where does racism begin? And how does it really perpetuate and spread? And what's been the media's role in that. Now Malcolm X gave this incredible answer. He said that the media is the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent. Now, I don't know how many of you read the book or what's the movie just mercy with Jamie Foxx, with Michael B Jordan and Bree Larson. And if you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it. And I'm reading this from the IMDB page.
Starting point is 00:09:53 It says, after graduating from Harvard, Brian Stevenson, who's played by Michael B Jordan, heads to Alabama to defend those wrongly condemned or those not afforded proper representation. One of his first cases is that of Walter McMillan, who's Jamie Foxx, who is sentenced to die in 1987 for the murder of an 18-year-old girl, despite evidence proving his innocence. And this is a really interesting thing about how when we see something on the news, and we see something in the newspapers or online, and you just believe that it's real. Now he goes on to say this, there was police brutality, and there was atrocity, and the press was just as atrocious as the police, because they helped the police to cover it up
Starting point is 00:10:41 by propagating a false image across the country. And this is what he went on to say. If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. Now, you've heard my views on the news in general as well when I did a podcast about negativity. And you know, there's this famous statement in news that if it leads, it leads, and if it leads, it reads. And so they know that if something is negative, we hold on longer. I've talked before about how TV shows are actually the ones that are stressful are the ones that create cliff hangers, the ones that we binge watch because we're like, what's going to happen next? Because it's so anxious. So a lot of media is trained in a way to keep us glued through anxiety and stress.
Starting point is 00:11:31 And therefore you won't see as much good news. You won't see as much positive news out there because it doesn't keep us glued in the same way because we don't feel that we're being secured or where we feel stable and when you feel insecure, you stay tuned. So one of the things that I'd really encourage all of you to do when we're looking at this answer about the power of the media and we can see that is that when the media shifts, the conversation shifts
Starting point is 00:11:56 through and we've all experienced that this year. So we saw the media shift to talk about COVID and naturally everyone was talking about COVID. And then as soon as the tragic, you know, the death of George Floyd, the media obviously shifted to that. And almost all of a sudden, not many people talk about COVID anymore. So you see how the, and I'm not saying any of that's right or wrong, what I'm saying is we can see very clearly how the media shifts our conversation. And therefore, I would ask you to really reflect on finding facts, to really reflect on finding statistics, and to make your own mind up with the right information and allow yourself to be exposed to multiple viewpoints as well. It would be really, really important to do that. Now, at this point, I would go
Starting point is 00:12:47 on to ask Malcolm X the question about what are his thoughts and he alluded to already, what are his thoughts on how we can end the police brutality, and what law would you put into place to help expedite this? Now, this was really fascinating, obviously, in current events and an amazing win as well, which I believe was very deserved and important. So I'm reading this from something that Alicia Keys, I believed, helped put together called Breonna's Law, which is unanimously passed, and this belief that people's actions do matter.
Starting point is 00:13:23 And this is what Alicia Keys had said in a text message. She said, Brianna's law passed, no knock warrants are banned in Lewisville, right? And then the Lewisville Metro Council goes on to say what Brianna's law is specifically and you can find that on her page. And it's incredible to see what's possible
Starting point is 00:13:47 when we do stick together and when we do a line with these messages. So I would ask Malcolm X about what law would you put into place to help expedite this? This is what I think is an interesting answer from him, which was an interview at Berkeley that he did in 1963. This is what he said,
Starting point is 00:14:06 there will come a time when black people wake up and become intellectually independent enough to think for themselves, as other humans are intellectually independent enough to think for themselves. Then the black man will think like a black man, and he will feel for other black people. This new thinking and feeling
Starting point is 00:14:24 will cause black people to stick together. Then at that point, you'll have a situation where when you attack one black man, you're attacking all black men and this type of black will cause all black people to stick together. This type of thinking also will bring an end to the brutality inflicted upon black people.
Starting point is 00:14:43 It is the only thing that will bring an end to it. No federal court state, court or city court, we're bringing into it. It's something that the black man has to bring to an end to himself. Now, that's a really powerful position and it's incredible that what he said in 1963 is almost what we're seeing in the world right now
Starting point is 00:15:04 that when we all saw the death of George Floyd, it was something that made everyone come together, the black community and also everyone else as well. We've seen so many people standing up for it and what I've found to be fascinating at this time is this very interesting perspective is that when we're standing up against racism,
Starting point is 00:15:25 why is that controversial? Right? So a lot of people will say, well, why are we giving this the highlight? And the truth is, yes, everyone is going through their own challenges. And yes, there are other challenges in the world that need to be highlighted as well. But at the same time, if people have been going through something for 400 years and it's getting worse and worse or we're seeing it more or it's been hidden away, it's important for us all to unite. And my hope for humanity is that we will unite over all the biggest issues in the world together. How amazing is it if we're able to fight with the black community for the black community? How incredible will it be if we're able to fight with the Black community for the Black community, how incredible will it be
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Starting point is 00:20:00 I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Join the journey soon. My third question for Malcolm X would be this. And I wanna ask this because Malcolm X, his approach was often seen as aggressive or assertive or quite powerful and strong. And I really wanted to share this answer because it shows the love, the empathy and the compassion that exists there at the same time. And I think we often feel
Starting point is 00:20:33 that if someone is assertive that they can't be affectionate, but I believe that we can hold both those emotions at the same time. And I think we need to learn that in our own lives. But I would ask Malcolm X, what is your purpose? This podcast is called on purpose. What is your purpose? And this is an answer he gave that I believe he would give to this. I'm for truth.
Starting point is 00:21:00 No matter who tells it. I'm for justice. No matter who it is, I'm for justice, no matter who it is, for or against, I'm a human being, first and foremost, and as such I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole. Just listen to that last statement again. I'm a human being, first and foremost, and as, I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole. How many of us believe that racism is good for humanity?
Starting point is 00:21:36 How many of us believe that systemic injustice is good for humanity. How many of us believe that oppression is good for humanity? I'm sure all of us would say no. So when we're standing up for Black Lives Matter or the Black community right now, we're standing up for all of us. And there was this really beautiful post held up by this young black girl that I want to share with you because it really sums it up together. She said on her board, she wrote, we said black lives matter. We never said only black lives matter. We know all lives matter. We just need your help with black lives matter for Black Lives are in danger. And I think that perspective is what so needed today is recognizing that first and foremost, we're all human beings. And as such, we are for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole. And Malcolm X went on to say,
Starting point is 00:22:45 and I for one will join in with anyone. I don't care what color you are, as long as you want to change this miserable condition that exists on this earth. Let me repeat that again. And I want you to feel it when you say as well. And I for one will join in with anyone. I don't care what color you are, And I want you to feel it when you say as well. And I for one will join in with anyone.
Starting point is 00:23:05 I don't care what color you are. As long as you want to change this miserable condition that exists on this earth. It's so powerful. How amazing would it be if we were all able to see beyond color? There was this great graphic I saw that showed no matter what color of your skin you are, we all have the same heart, we have the same bones, we have the same skeleton,
Starting point is 00:23:28 you know, the famous statement of we bleed the same blood and we breed the same air. These are the important factors of recognizing that, but that doesn't stop us from making an impact when a particular part of our family is going through something. And it's really interesting because in June 1964, in an interview with Mike Wallace, Malcolm Max actually talked about how travel and speaking to people of other races and white people and other colors, actually broadened his scope. And this is what he said.
Starting point is 00:24:07 So my question to him would be around how he feels we can all work together and we can all help. And this is what he said. He said, well, I brought in my scope, travel broadens your scope. And I think this is such a powerful point that when we travel, when we live with other people from other backgrounds and other cultures and other communities that speak we travel, when we live with other people from other backgrounds and other cultures and other communities that speak different languages, we learn so much more about people. And it's so easy for all of us in our small and closed worlds to not really realize what people
Starting point is 00:24:39 are like. If you've only ever seen some people by watching them on the TV, you don't know what they're truly like. Right? You've never experienced it. And I've been to places before where people have never met an Indian person before. And maybe the only time they've seen an Indian person is a pro-owned the Simpsons. And that's their view of all Indian people because that's their experience. And, you know, today, obviously, you're exposed to more, but it is fascinating how our limited view, or limited viewpoints create a limited version of a whole person or a community.
Starting point is 00:25:15 So Malcolm X is saying, well, I brought in my scope, travel broadens your scope. It gives you a wider understanding. And I have in my many lectures on college campuses campuses seen many whites, even as a black Muslim, whose reaction to much of what I had to say showed me that they were genuinely concerned. Some weren't genuinely genuinely concerned, but many of them were, and this element is increasing. I'm speaking now from what I think, from what I've seen, from what I've analyzed,
Starting point is 00:25:46 and the conclusions that I have reached. Right? That is a much more positive version where he can start recognizing the power of how people are generally concerned, because we are, we are compassionate, we're empathetic, and are core. And he goes on to say this, compassionate, we're empathetic and I'll core. And he goes on to say this, I judge a man by his conscious behavior. I'm not a racist. I don't subscribe to any of the tenants of racism. It's not a case of being good or bad blacks and whites. It's the case of being good or bad human beings. And I think we can all agree with this. This is someone who's standing up for the black community, but this is his perspective that it's not a case of being good or bad, black somewhere.
Starting point is 00:26:31 It's the case of being a good or bad human being. That's something that I think is a question that's being asked of all of us, is can we be good human beings by standing up Is can we be good human beings by standing up for injustice that we see and the challenges that we see in the world? And I think that that is a really, really powerful question that we can ask. My final question to Malcolm X would be around, you know, what do we need more of these challenges that we're seeing in the world right now? He's talked about police
Starting point is 00:27:09 brutality. He's talked about the media. He's talked to us about his perspective on humanity coming together. And I would ask him about what do we need more of? And this is a beautiful statement he made. He said, we need more light about each other. How many of you agree with that? This is me saying, how many of you agree that we need more light about each other? He said, we need more light about each other.
Starting point is 00:27:34 This is what he says. Light creates understanding. Understanding creates love. Love creates patience. Patience creates love. Love creates patience, patience creates unity. What a beautiful way of thinking. We need more light about each other. Light creates understanding, understanding creates love. Love creates patience and patience creates unity. And I always think that this is an important way to look at it because when we put more light onto the issues, and I
Starting point is 00:28:15 believe this was a statement from Will Smith that was going viral and it was saying that it's not that the world is getting worse, it's just that we have more cameras now. It's not that the world is more racist, it's just that we have more cameras now. It's not that the world is more racist. It's just that we have more cameras. So we see more. And so if we can put light onto these issues, then maybe we'll stop seeing it. If it's happening in the darkness,
Starting point is 00:28:36 if it's happening because it's hidden, when we all put a light on it, it exposes that, and we don't expose in a judgmental way. This isn't about calling anyone out. It's actually about calling ourselves out. Hi, I'm David Eagleman. I have a new podcast called Inner Cosmos on I Heart. I'm a neuroscientist and an author at Stanford University, and I've spent my career exploring the three-pound universe in our heads. On my new podcast, I'm going to explore the relationship between our brains and our experiences
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Starting point is 00:31:58 Deeply well is available now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Big love. Namaste. This is the message that I want to end with, is that it's not about calling other sounds saying, look, your race is, look, you're a bad person. Look, you don't understand. It's actually about empathetically helping people understand, helping people create love, helping people find patience in their life because it's unhealed
Starting point is 00:32:24 wounds that make us hurt others, right? helping people create love, helping people find patience in their life because it's unhealed wounds that make us hurt others, right? It's unhealed wounds in ourselves that make us hurt others. What unhealed wound do you have? What racism or prejudice or discrimination exists in your life that stops you from loving someone else? That is the question that we all have to start on is,
Starting point is 00:32:45 what is that? Because we all say, well, and I'm guessing my community and all of you who I love so much will say, Jay, we're not racist. And I'm like, I agree with you guys when I'm racist, but how are we standing up for others? What prejudice or discrimination or what kind of, you know, what is there in our life
Starting point is 00:33:01 that we know needs to be removed? And I made this video that we launched yesterday that I want to share with you that I think is really, really important to share with you the script because these were my own thoughts about how there's a difference between being not racist and anti-racist. So if you're not racist, you don't say racist things and hopefully you don't think racist things, but being anti-racist means you stand up. And I think that's what's been missing. And so I want to share this with you from my heart. It's a spoken word that I wrote that I hope really connects with you. So listen to me carefully. I've always been a bystander, a spectator, sometimes a
Starting point is 00:33:41 commentator, but I never saw myself as a perpetrator. I remember once I watched on the news that black people are 40 times more likely to be stopped and accused, searched and abused, but I didn't think it affected me because I wasn't involved in my view, and I went through my fair share of racist slurs, but it is different when you feel your voice is never heard, your life is on the line. Every time you're pulled over, your fear is a million times more than mine. But commit a crime I did not. I just stood by and watched. I may not have seen a murderer in person, but I have seen it on the screen.
Starting point is 00:34:17 I've seen it on my phone and I've seen it on the TVs. When Armored Arbery was shot dead, what did we do? When Brianna Taylor was killed in her own bed, what did we do? We didn't make a stand for the dead, instead we moved on, when the black community mourned and felt confused. We posted and prayed and then started another day. But when George Floyd lay on the floor with a knee on his neck, something deep inside of me got checked.
Starting point is 00:34:43 I know it should not have taken me this long, but please forgive me, I know I was wrong. It breaks me to say this, but I have been a witness. As hard as it is for me, it's worse when you're next on the hit list. I realized that it wasn't good enough to think I wasn't racist. I needed to be anti-racist.
Starting point is 00:35:01 I realized that being an accessory was as bad as committing a felony. I realized that just because I saw something on a screen and not in the streets didn't make me free from being an accomplice. I was complicit. As Deadman Tutu said, to remain neutral in situations of injustice is to be complicit with injustice. So in that regard, yes, I am involved. I am involved because I've simply watched as people have died. I've thought myself to not be involved as it was on my side. I've thought that things are progressing so I became complacent. I was happy we had a black
Starting point is 00:35:35 president so I thought I was anti-racist. But I realized that being quiet isn't what's needed. Staying on the sidelines just to avoid it getting heated. What we need is people willing to give black people a voice who don't mind dealing with the negativity and the noise. The offices got charged because they were on the scene whilst we were loose and free because we saw it on a screen and then go hide away in our American dream. We cannot stay silent as the black community continually deals with violence. If I'm not a part of the solution, then I'm a part of the problem.
Starting point is 00:36:08 I'm responsible for what happened because I didn't stop them. So that was a piece that I wrote last week and we released a video on it yesterday. And it was my thoughts around just how I've never been a racist person. You know, I've experienced racism myself, but what I'm seeing right now is far worse than everything I've ever experienced.
Starting point is 00:36:30 And I just wanted to empathize with it and learn about it. And so diving into the work of my Luther King of diving into the work of Malcolm Axe, diving into the work of some incredible authors that I want to share with you that I think are making a huge difference right now. And we've got White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo. There's a book called How to Be an Anti-Racist with Ibramex Candy. Those are just two great books to get started on. There's another one called So You Want to Talk about race, e.g.o.lua.
Starting point is 00:37:02 I hope I'm saying that name right. And those are just three great places to get started to start moving forward. Because I think if we all get educated, if we all learn some more, our empathy increases. This is what happens when your education increases, your empathy increases, when your empathy increases, your action increases.
Starting point is 00:37:23 And actions can be big or small, but all of us taking them together definitely creates a big action. Thank you so much for listening today. A huge thank you to Malcolm X for living such an incredible life that we can discuss it today and share it today. And I just want to end with that statement that I shared.
Starting point is 00:37:40 We need more light about each other. This is his statement. We need more light about each other. This is his statement. We need more light about each other. Light creates understanding, understanding creates love, love creates patience, patience creates unity. Thank you for listening to On Purpose. I'm Jay Shelley, andatekler and it turns out astrology is way more widespread than any of us want to believe.
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