On Purpose with Jay Shetty - 5 Reasons We Break Up & 6 Ways You Know If You're Ready to Date Again

Episode Date: April 15, 2022

Do you want to meditate daily with me? Go to go.calm.com/onpurpose to get 40% off a Calm Premium Membership. Experience the Daily Jay. Only on Calm Coming from a bad, toxic, or traumatic relationship... would often make us edgy. We build up walls to block the wrong people from ever coming into our lives and putting us through difficult moments and heartbreaking experiences. We lose confidence in others because of our past relationships and in doing so, we may never be ready to open up again for a new relationship. In this episode of On Purpose, Jay Shetty shares with us the signs that will tell us when we are ready to love again and when it's okay to entrust our feelings to someone new.Want to be a Jay Shetty Certified Life Coach? Get the Digital Guide and Workbook from Jay Shetty https://jayshettypurpose.com/fb-getting-started-as-a-life-coach-podcast/ Key Takeaways:00:00 Intro01:37 How to know if you're ready to date again04:13 Reasons why couples break up08:40 Principle #1: Have you learned the lesson from the last relationship?14:19 Principle #2: When you’re now able to talk about it15:39 Principle #3: You're ready to take every step for what it truly is17:27 Principle #4: Make sure what to avoid and what to be aware of20:05 Principle #5: This time, you have to set boundaries24:01 Principle #6: Try it outLike this show? Please leave us a review here - even one sentence helps! Post a screenshot of you listening on Instagram & tag us so we can thank you personally!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What do a flirtatious gambling double agent in World War II? An opera singer who burned down an honorary to kidnap her lover, and a pirate queen who walked free with all of her spoils, haven't comment. They're all real women who were left out of your history books. You can hear these stories and more on the Womanica podcast. Check it out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen. I'm Jay Shetty and on my podcast on purpose, I've had the honor to sit down with some of the most incredible hearts and minds on the planet. Oprah, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Hart,
Starting point is 00:00:40 Lewis Hamilton, and many, many more. On this podcast, you get to hear the raw, real-life stories behind their journeys, and the tools they used, the books they read, and the people that made a difference in their lives so that they can make a difference in hours. Listen to on purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Join the journey soon. What if you could tell the whole truth about your life, including all those tender invisible things we don't usually talk about?
Starting point is 00:01:07 I'm Megan Devine. Host of the podcast, it's okay that you're not okay. Look, everyone's at least a little bit not okay these days, and all those things we don't usually talk about, maybe we should. This season, I'm joined by Stellar, Gas like Abormatte, Rachel Cargol, and so many more. It's okay that you're not okay. New episodes each and every Monday, available on the iHeart Radio app
Starting point is 00:01:28 or wherever you listen to podcasts. In order for relationships to be the source of our greatest joy, we have to approach them differently. We have to approach them from the perspective of learning more than loving first. You're learning how to love the other person. You're learning about love. You're not just in love. You're not just loving. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to on purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. We're talking about your physical, mental, emotional, psychological and spiritual health
Starting point is 00:02:09 and how we can improve all parts of our body, mind and soul experience. I am so grateful for your ears today and every day that you tune in to on purpose, whether you're walking your dog, whether you're at the gym, whether you're driving to and from work, I appreciate you. Thank you for being here. Now I've been talking to a lot of friends lately and you know that these topics that I bring
Starting point is 00:02:35 up to our community on on purpose are based on conversations I'm having with my clients that I'm hearing from friends, family members, and there are a lot of people that either went through breakups during the pandemic, or are going through breakups right now. And I think the big question is always, how do I deal with the breakup, how do I move on, and then, how do I know that I'm ready to date again? And these are really important questions. We've done a lot of podcast episodes on how to know that it's time to break up.
Starting point is 00:03:13 We've also done a lot of episodes on how to deal with heartbreak, but we haven't really ever focused on how to know if you're ready to date again. So whether you're dating right now, whether you're broken up, whether you're single or in a relationship, I really believe that this podcast will still help you because it will help you make better decisions no matter your situation
Starting point is 00:03:37 and it's also going to help you help your friends or people in these situations. Now, I wanna start off by sharing some amazing statistics that I read on a website called To Date for Love. And in this website, it broke down some of these statistics that really stood out to me that I believe they've gathered from lots of different studies. And it talked about how the average woman goes through
Starting point is 00:04:01 seven relationships before finding the one, while men have been through around eight relationships. When I read that, it really made me feel grateful about my own life. I would say that I had three proper relationships before I found Radee and I was thinking, wow, I'm really grateful that I got to find it sooner But it also made me realize that there are a lot of people in my life that have only ever had one or two real relationships and a feeling broken a feeling lost a feeling stuck a feeling confused a feeling like they're never going to find someone and that number just gave me a lot of context. And it almost gave
Starting point is 00:04:48 everyone permission to just pause and take a moment and say, okay, well, I might have to take a few more goes at this. I might have to try a few more people. I may have to explore a little further, but knowing that you haven't really been through seven or eight real relationships should give you a sense of hope. Now, if you're someone here sitting saying, Jay, I've been through like 10, I would really ask you the question, where are they real relationships or were you just dating? Did you ever get beyond that dating phase where you actually exclusive and then if you were exclusive, were you together for three months?
Starting point is 00:05:25 Were you together for six months? Were you together for a year? Right, you want to really look at the amount of time that was committed to and the amount of time that you spent together. Now, here are some statistics that I think are important for us to realize because I think they help us understand that we're not alone. So, the same website says that long distance relationships have a 58% success rate. I was quite surprised by that. I was like, that's pretty high, right? Which shows that maybe we've been benefited by the pandemic to be able to have long distance
Starting point is 00:05:58 relationships because we're more used to digital communication. This one wasn't a surprise, but I think it's important to know. Couples that meet online are more likely to break up than partners that meet the traditional way. And I don't think that's a surprise. I think that makes sense. If someone connected with you online, it's easier to ghost you. It's easier to feel less intimate or less personal, but it's important for us to know because when you hear that, and maybe you've just been through that or you know someone who has, you're able to empathize, you're able to connect, and that person is also able to recognize that this is a trend. Now, I know that your life never feels like a trend, and I don't
Starting point is 00:06:40 want it to. I'm not saying that a statistic is the antidote to your emotions. But I am saying that understanding research and understanding statistics and understanding the probability of something happening or not happening is a great way to understand where you are better. Because otherwise we make very improbable circumstances and scenarios in our mind feel like this should happen. For example, we're obsessed with imagination and fascination more than reality. Now, this one will resonate with a lot of you. 58% of Americans say that breakups are usually dramatic or messy or both. This was from Yugav, a quarter of respondents on the other hand disagree. Statistics of breakups show that older generations tend to see breakups in a worse light
Starting point is 00:07:35 than younger age groups, with 52% of millennials perceiving breakups as messy compared to 60% of gen X's, and 63% of Americans age 55 and over this blew my mind. But I know that we can relate more deeply with the idea that breakups can be dramatic, messy or both. And that's why the tips and principles that I'm going to give you today are going to help you unpack how you know if you're ready to date again through that messiness and through that drama as well. Another study from you, Gov Elite singles said that 64% of Americans have gone through the breakup of a long-term relationship. Wow.
Starting point is 00:08:19 And it goes on to say in the study, if you've ever wondered who the dumper in the average U.S. long-term couple is, breakup statistics say that women are more likely to call it quits than men. 76% of women said that they had ended the relationship just like 62% of men. Women might end things more often, but they also feel more pain. Some of the hardest things to understand is that 34% of younger generations called it off through a text and 72% of respondents said that they had been ghosted by a partner and 65% admitted to ghosting someone. So why am I sharing all of this? I'm sharing all of this to help you
Starting point is 00:09:02 realize that you're not alone. I'm also sharing all of this to help you understand that relationships are difficult, they're messy and they're really, really hard to end, start, find, maintain. Every part of a relationship is messy. And the reason we put in so much effort, the reason we try so hard is because they're also the source of our greatest joy. But here's what I've found to be really fascinating and interesting is that in order for relationships to be the source of our greatest joy, we have to approach them differently. We have to approach them from the perspective of learning more than loving first. You're learning how to love the other person. You're learning about love. You're not
Starting point is 00:09:57 just in love. You're not just loving. So I'm going to share with you these principles today that are going to let you know if you or your friends are ready to date again and whether you really have recovered from that breakup. Here's the first principle. The first principle is, did you learn? Have you learned the lesson from the last relationship? It's fascinating to me.
Starting point is 00:10:22 I'm interviewing a lot right now for my teams. And whenever I do an interview, I'll often ask people, why are you applying for a job right now? Or tell me why you want to leave your current place of work or why you left your last job. And people who've left their last job so often, they'll say to me, I just didn't like that last job. And you know, didn't make sense. And I just want to get away from it. And they're still fully absorbed in their last job. They are still fully immersed in the pain, the challenges, the stress, the pressures of the last job that they never even get around to telling me why they're excited for a new job. Their answer becomes completely held down and held back by the pain and stress of a last job. If you feel that pull,
Starting point is 00:11:15 that hold from your last relationship, which is stopping you from moving on and knowing if you're ready to date again, it's because you haven't yet learned the lesson that relationship was trying to teach you. The lesson may have been to avoid a particular trait. The lesson may have been to slow down. The lesson may have been to have more healthy conversations. That lesson may have been to be more observant. If we cannot articulate and communicate the lesson we have learned from our last relationships, we are not ready to date again. Why?
Starting point is 00:11:57 Because as karma suggests, we will make the same mistake again and again and again. This is what blows my mind the most. We talk a lot about karma, but I'm going to help you understand karma from a Vedic perspective. Karma is the law of every action has an equal and opposite reaction that anything we receive in life is based on the intention and the attention with which we made a decision. I'll give you an example. Why do they say never play around with scissors? Why would you never play around with a knife? Because the chances are that when you play around with scissors, when you play around
Starting point is 00:12:39 with a knife, you could get cut. The intention and the attention are not in the right place and therefore you get a result. You don't get cut because you want to cut a scissor. You don't get cut by a knife because once you cut a knife, you get it because the intention and attention at that moment in time is misaligned. Similarly, when you go through a relationship and something terrible happens, like someone cheats on you, it's not because you cheated on someone, it's because when you look back, you know that you let some red flag slide.
Starting point is 00:13:15 You know that you weren't observant, you didn't listen to your intuition, you know that there were parts of them that you could tell that they were ready to do something like that, but you were ignorant. Or you were so negligent, you trusted them blindly. You didn't let them earn your trust. You just gave your trust away. You didn't let them build your trust. You just trusted them because you thought they were amazing and they were wonderful and they were kind but you got blind in love.
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Starting point is 00:15:27 What do these stories have in common? They're all about real women who were left out of your history books. If you're tired of missing out, check out the Womanica podcast, a daily women's history podcast highlighting women you may not have heard of, but definitely should know about. I'm your host Jenny Kaplan, and for me, diving into these stories is the best part of my day. I learned something new about women from around the world and leave feeling amazed, inspired, and sometimes shocked.
Starting point is 00:15:54 Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Debbie Brown, and my podcast deeply well is a soft place to land on your wellness journey. I hold conscious conversations with leaders and radical healers and wellness and mental health around topics that are meant to expand and support you on your journey. From guided meditations to deep conversations with some of the world's most gifted experts in self-care, trauma, psychology, spirituality, astrology, and even intimacy. Here is where you'll pick up the tools to live as your highest self.
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Starting point is 00:17:12 Big love, Namaste. and finally starting to save a retirement. Well, you're not alone if you haven't made progress yet, roughly four in five New Year's resolutions fail within the first month or two. But that doesn't have to be the case for you and your goals. Our podcast, How to Money can Help. That's right, we're two best buds who've been at it for more than five years now, and we want to see you achieve your money goals,
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Starting point is 00:18:00 up your savings, intelligent investing, and growing your income. No matter where you are on your financial journey, how do money's got your back? Millions of listeners have trusted us to help them achieve their financial goals. Ensure that your resolution turns into ongoing progress. Listen to how to money on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I want you to really think about what is the lesson that your last relationship has been trying to teach you and not just your last relationship the one before that and the one before that and the one before that because the challenge that I have seen is that most of us will just move on right most of us will just move on to the
Starting point is 00:18:44 next relationship we don't learn the lessons, we don't learn the journey, and we end up in pretty much the same situation each and every time. And even if we don't end up in the same situation, we have limited our ability to learn how to love. If relationships are designed to teach us how to love, we have to learn that from every relationship. So you know you're ready to date again. When first of all, you've learned from your last relationship or relationships and you're able to talk about it. There's a brilliant graph in the Journal of Social and personal relationships from 1998, reproduced from
Starting point is 00:19:27 Bataglia, breaking up is easy to do a script for dissolution of close relationship. So it says that the reason and how it works is it goes lack of interest, then you notice other people, then you act distant, then you try to work things out, then there might be physical distance or avoidance, go back to lack of interest. You consider breaking up. You communicate your feelings finally. You try to work things out, but then you notice other people. You act distant. You may be even date other people. Get back together. Consider breakup. Move on, recover, and then break up again. Now, what that shows is a complex set of emotions. We go through so many different emotions in a relationship. And the challenge with all of those is that we're not able to do one thing.
Starting point is 00:20:17 And that is we are moving so fast that we don't get to process those emotions effectively. You know you're ready to date again when you're ready to go slow and you're ready to take every step for what it truly is. When you first started walking, you started walking and you took a step. Actually, before you started walking, you were rolling, you were pulling yourself, you seem kids like literally dragged themselves across a room, you were then crawling, you were doing each thing step by step, you didn't try to go from rolling and dragging to walking. Don't try and leap from just rolling around in relationships and dragging yourself through a relationship
Starting point is 00:21:05 to finding love the next day. So often, we are just trying so hard to find that perfect love, which is like running. Forget walking, we're trying to run before we can crawl. And we have to really allow ourselves to say, well, wait a minute, let me slow down. You know you're ready to date again when you're okay with slowing down. When you're okay with taking a slower approach, slower doesn't just mean pace. It means widening your perspective. When you change the speed of your relationship, you're moving at the speed, you can see everything from a certain height. A plane moves very fast, but it stays 30,000 feet in the air
Starting point is 00:21:53 while it moves that fast. So we have to go, okay, I want to move fast, but I want to be able to maintain this vision. I want to be able to maintain this view. I don't want to cannibalize that, right? Like I don't want to lose that in this journey. So accept that speed. The next one is making sure that you know what to avoid,
Starting point is 00:22:20 what to be aware of, and what to articulate up front. These go beyond the lesson you learned which may have been a bigger lesson But you have to ask yourself Have I created an understanding of what I need to avoid? What I need to be aware of and what I need to articulate? Generally think about it as a job interview. You may say I need to avoid companies that are looking for this skill because that's not a skill that I have or want to display. You need to be aware that, hey, if the work environment,
Starting point is 00:22:52 on day one doesn't seem inviting, I've got to be careful about that. I'm being aware of it. That doesn't mean it's a deal breaker, but I'm going to remain aware of it. And then finally, we also want to articulate something. We may say, well, this is really important. I realize that I haven't always said this in past relationships.
Starting point is 00:23:10 I haven't always shared this in past relationships. And in this relationship, I'm going to make it really clear. I was speaking to a friend recently and they were saying, I'm so glad that we've been listening to the podcast. And I'm so happy that you always tell people to articulate what they need and what they feel. They said that they just met someone new and they said exactly what they needed and that even though it was uncomfortable for the other person, they were willing to add it to their awareness. And I think we have this challenge where we go, okay, we're going to get to a point in
Starting point is 00:23:37 this relationship where we no longer need to avoid stuff, no longer need to be aware of anything and we no longer need to articulate anything. We're all trying to get to a place where things don't have to change. Wouldn't it be amazing if you watered a tree so perfectly that one day you could stop watering it and it would just stay the same? Wouldn't it be amazing if you were doing a work of art and after a few brushstrokes, it just stayed that way and just became more amazing. Wouldn't it be incredible? If everything in your life, you didn't have to tend to it every day, you just worked out, you got the six packs, stopped working out and then it just stayed. Everything is either growing or dying.
Starting point is 00:24:17 Is your relationship growing? Your relationship is growing as much as you're investing in it. How to know if you're ready to date again? You're ready to invest again daily. You have the energy to invest again daily. You have the ability to invest again daily. Are you ready to put in the work to date? And you may say, I'm not. And that's okay. There's nothing wrong with that. But you have to know, you have to be aware what energy levels you have and what ability levels you have. The next principle is that you know this time around, you have to set boundaries.
Starting point is 00:25:00 And you have to make the other person understand why that boundary exists. Now you don't have to tell them your life story, but you can say, I have a boundary around physical touch. And I will share that with you when I feel comfortable, but I want you to know that. Right. When you share something like that, sure, you could frighten someone, sure, you could scare someone away. But if you being honest, scare someone away, then there was never anything there in the first place. There was never the potential of something there in the first place.
Starting point is 00:25:28 You don't need to regret that. I think we always worry that, oh no, I scared them away, oh no, they ran away and it's like, well, if they ran away because of your honesty, then that means they would have only stayed for your lies. Think about that for a second. If you're saying they ran away because I was honest with them, does that mean if you lied they would have stayed? Do you want someone to stay for your lies or do you want someone to stay for your truth?
Starting point is 00:25:56 And if your truth is too unbearable or intolerable, then is that the truth? I eat, is that that person who doesn't want to stay for that? Is that your truth? I'm sure the answer is no. So honesty may scare away someone, but actually I think it scares away the right people. Right? When I said the right people, I mean, it scares away the people that are rightfully should not be near you.
Starting point is 00:26:20 If you're being honest and truthful and articulating it effectively and saying what you're working on and someone can accept that or understand that and the other thing you all have to understand, I'll give an example is how we shortcut. We have to avoid shortcuts if we're ready to date again. I'll give an example. You say to someone, hey, you know what I've been giving you to therapy for the last three months because I've been working through something and they say, oh, I understand that I go to therapy. And you may say, oh, that's amazing, they go to therapy. Okay, we're all good. Well, no, I actually asked them.
Starting point is 00:26:49 Well, thank you so much, you might say. So, so let's do a bit of role play in this direction, right? So you say to the person, hey, I'll be going to therapy for the last three months, I'm working through this thing. And they go, yeah, I know all about therapy. I love therapy. It's amazing, my sister went to therapy. And you may, you could go, oh, that's great.
Starting point is 00:27:07 This person goes to therapy. We have a great relationship. No, no, no. Oh, thank you so much for understanding about therapy. Can you tell me a bit more about your journey or can you explain to me like what made you go or what your feelings about it are? Now you get to really see whether that person is just glossing over it. Now, remember, you're not testing them. You're not investigating them. You're not trying to interrogate them.
Starting point is 00:27:31 You're just trying to be curious and understand whether that person really knows what they mean. Now, they may come back and say, you know what? Actually, my sister went through therapy and it was really tougher and obviously they may not go into the specifics, but you say, look, I care about, you know, I really understand how it can help people and I'm really happy you're doing it. Or they're going to give you some contrived answer in your head, you go, Oh, right, they were just attracted to me or they're just, they're just telling me that it's all great, right? So in that
Starting point is 00:28:00 scenario, I want you to recognize that just saying the same words doesn't mean you have the same realization. Or having the same interests doesn't mean you like them for the same reason. Now, I know I'm really reading into stuff, but that's kind of what it takes. Like, two people could like the same movie, but they like it for two different reasons. And it's the reason that's more important than the movie that they like. The reason you like a movie shares more about you than the movie that you like. And I know I'm reading into it with movies but the same applies to TV shows and the same applies to people. The same applies to people. And I'm not saying you
Starting point is 00:28:38 have to have the same reason. You have to like their reason. you have to respect their reason, you have to understand their reason. And the last way to know if you're ready to date again is try it out. Stop overthinking, stop procrastinating, stop wasting so much energy to check if you're ready. I think that's one of the biggest issues is even the question, how do you know if you're ready, you'll never know until you try. That answer applies to everything. How do you know if you're ready, you'll never know until you try. That answer applies to everything.
Starting point is 00:29:06 How do you know if you're ready to be a stand-up comedian? Try it. How do you know if you're ready to write a book, try a page, write, try the simplest version of it? How do you know if you're ready to be a manager, manage one person? Try it out. Sure you'll fail, sure you'll get rejected, sure there'll be difficulty, but that is the only way to really, truly give it a go. Go on a date, try and
Starting point is 00:29:37 put yourself in a position where it's the simplest, easiest way. Meet a friend of a friend, take some friends with you, connect in a place that makes you feel comfortable, right? Make it as comfortable and as casual as you need to make it easy. And when you make it as simple as easy as accessible for yourself, you'll get to see for yourself. And you won't have to play this game in your head of, am I ready? Am I ready yet? Am I ready yet? Am I ready now? Do I know if I'm ready? Now am I ready, right? Like try it out. Break out of it. Give it a go. And be gentle with yourself.
Starting point is 00:30:09 Be kind to yourself. And be aligned with yourself. Thank you so much for listening this week. I'm so grateful to you. And I will see you again next week. Thank you for listening to On Purpose. And I cannot wait for you to share this in part of it. What if you could tell the whole truth about your life, including all those tender invisible things
Starting point is 00:30:38 we don't usually talk about? I'm Megan Devine, host of the podcast, it's okay that you're not okay. Look, everyone's at least a little bit not okay these days. And all those things we don't usually talk about, maybe we should. This season, I'm joined by stellar guests like Abbermote, Rachel Cargol, and so many more. It's okay that you're not okay. New episodes each and every Monday, available on the iHeartRadio app, or wherever you listen to podcasts.
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