On Purpose with Jay Shetty - 5 Stages of Coping With Change You Can’t Rush & Creating Opportunity In Adversity
Episode Date: May 8, 2020Change is constant, so why is it we’re never taught how to navigate it? Jay Shetty shares that our ability to adapt is the key to handling change well. We crave certainty so much that we’d rather ...accept the familiar pain we’re going through than the unfamiliar pain of change. Today you'll learn Jay Shetty’s 5 stages of managing change so you can adapt and find opportunity through adversity. Change can cause us grief, but now you'll have the tools to manage it. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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It's not possible to never feel anxiety.
It is possible to feel anxiety less.
It is not possible to never have an anxious thought, wanting something to be eternally absent from our life,
for it to never happen, it won't happen.
It's not possible.
And at the same time, we do the opposite.
We want something to be eternally present.
We say, I always want to be happy.
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but you won't be happy every moment of every day.
That's also not possible. Hey, everyone.
Welcome back to on purpose.
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the world to me because it's so important to constantly refuel our minds, to inspire
ourselves, to connect with life-changing thought.
Because guess what, when we change our thoughts, we start to change how we feel. And so I'm so grateful that you're here again.
And today's episode is another solo episode,
where I'm going to give you some power tips on the five stages of managing change
that you can't avoid and finding opportunity in adversity.
I thought it was really important that we talk about how to manage change right now,
because change is something we all experience, change is something we're all going through right now and we don't realize
that we've never been exposed to the skills or the talents on how to deal with it.
Now Benjamin Franklin said it best. Change is the only constant in life. One's ability to adapt to those changes
will determine your success in life.
That statement literally, and encapsulates everything we need to know.
Change is always going to be there.
And sometimes it's more extreme
like it is right now than at other times.
But listen to what he says carefully.
One's ability to adapt to those changes
will determine your success in life.
Adapting is everything for us.
And it's crazy because learning to deal with change
and adapting is probably the most useful skill
in the world, considering it that it's so constant.
Changes are unavoidable.
Everyone has to experience it that it's so constant, change is unavoidable. Everyone has to experience it,
and it's consistently experienced.
But we're never trained in school or college
or at work, how to deal with it.
No one ever teaches you how to deal with change.
And that's what I wanna share with you today,
because you'll find when I start going through these tips
and these ideas, there's a lot in there
that may actually surprise you on how to deal with change.
Often we're told, like, just be positive, right?
Like just think good things, just look for the good in everything.
And, you know, that's not necessarily the best advice.
And often it can actually be misleading, it can create more challenges than it creates
solutions.
And we actually end up feeling emptier because of it.
So none of what I'm going to share with you today are just easy answers.
This is really doing the deep work, which I know all of you are ready for.
Now, here's the thing.
Change can often feel like pain.
It can feel like grief and loss.
Change can feel like pain. Change can feel like a lot more than change. Because it
often feels like things are changing for the worse, right? We want things to change for
the better. But when it feels like things are changing for the worse, that's when we
feel pain. Now, Ticknot Han explained his best.
He said that we have this attachment to familiar pain.
We keep going back to the same pain
and we want the same pain because it gives certainty in our life.
How crazy is that?
That we crave certainty so much that we push ourselves towards familiar pain.
We'd rather go through pain we're sure of
than new pains, which he calls unfamiliar pains.
It's crazy that we crave certainty so much
that we would rather accept familiar pain
than the unfamiliar pain of change.
So change feels like unfamiliar pain.
It feels like you don't know what to expect.
You don't know what's gonna happen.
And you're like, well, I don't want that.
I just rather have the pain of sitting in this same place
every day and feeling the pain that I'm used to feeling.
And it's fascinating, right?
When you think about it, you're like,
you're like, what is wrong with me?
Like, why would I do that to myself?
But that's how badly we want certainty.
That's how badly we want things to stay the same.
So I was looking at this when I was reflecting on this
and thinking about this podcast,
and I've been doing so many interviews recently
on the today show and CNN,
and we've done a ton of interviews right now
to try and support and help with CNBC,
with the Wii movement.
It's been a really powerful time
to try and get this message out there. When I was thinking about this podcast, I was looking at something called the Kubla
Ross model, which talks about the five stages of grief. So here are the five stages of grief,
and I'm reading from a graphic that I found on Pinterest. And it says that these are the
five stages of grief and what they really mean.
So the first stage of grief is according to the Kubla Ross model is denial. Denial is
a normal reaction to rationalize overwhelming emotions. It is a defense mechanism that buffers
the immediate shock of loss. Now the reason why I'm talking about the grief
model is because I feel like to some degree we're all going
through some sort of grief or loss at the moment, right? We've
all lost something. We may have lost time. We may have lost
money. We may have lost someone. And if you've lost someone or
you're going to a really tough time
Potentially about to lose someone. I just want to send you and them all my love and prayers and best wishes
But others have lost different things. Maybe you lost or missed your graduation
Maybe you missed a prom. Maybe you missed a promotion. Maybe you missed a vacation
Maybe your weddings had to be postponed, maybe you lost a job, maybe you broke up with someone because of the challenge at this time.
So it's interesting that we're all going through some sort of grief.
And the five stages of grief as the Kubla Ross model talks about denial as the first step,
often we deny the loss and we act like, oh no, I haven't lost anything.
I'm fine. Like I'm good, right?
Don't worry about me. And we don't seek out help because we feel safer in the denial. Again,
the familiar pain is Tick-N-Han says, the second stage of the Kubla Ross model is anger. And it's
described here as the numbing effects of the denial stage of grief begins to wear off. The pain of loss starts to
firmly take hold as we search for blame, feel intense guilt and lash out. So this is where we
you know, start trying to find someone else who's responsible for the pain we reflect or deflect
our pain onto someone else. Now the third stage of the Kubla Ross model is bargaining.
Now, the third stage of the Kubla Ross model is bargaining. Bargaining is the what if stage of grief and it serves an important purpose.
It provides temporary escape from pain, provides hope, and gives a person time to adjust to
the reality of the situation.
That's that bargaining, what if this, what if that, and it gives us a temporary relief.
Again, we're looking constantly for that numbing.
It's fascinating that we've so not been trained to sit
with our pain that we constantly try to numb everything,
right?
And when people are trying to numb stuff,
we turn to alcohol, we turn to addiction,
we turn to overeating, we turn to video games. We numb ourselves
in so many different ways from feeling pain because it feels easier. And so that's why we develop
all these bad habits. And hey, if you've fallen into a bad habit right now or you're struggling with
a bad habit right now, you've got to give yourself a break because it's natural when we're feeling
pain that we try and numb ourselves from that pain.
So that's bargaining. The fourth is depression in the Kruble Ross model. This type of depression
is not a sign of mental illness. It is the appropriate response to a great loss. You might experience
intense sadness, decreased sleep, reduced appetite and loss of motivation or common. And the fifth and
final stage is acceptance. Acceptance refers to accepting the reality of a loss.
And the fact that nothing can change that reality.
This does not mean that the person is okay with the loss.
I've studied and read about the Kubla Ross model before
and I was thinking a lot about it
because I was thinking about the phases I was going through
during this time, you know,
we've all been in lockdown for like six to eight weeks now. And I was thinking a lot about it because I was thinking about the phases I was going through during this time. We've all been in lockdown for like six to eight weeks now.
I was thinking that so many people are going through phases and you can tell by the memes
people post what phase they're in right now.
It started off as complete panic and confusion and anxiety.
Then it got to a point of onboard in the house and I'm in the house board.
Then it got to a point of trying to help and and I'm in the house bored. And then it got to a point of trying to help
and serve and make a difference.
So it's really interesting.
So the reason I want to share this with you is,
I think we're all getting a real powerful opportunity
right now to build our muscle of dealing with change, right?
Dealing with change is like a muscle in the body.
The more you lift a weight of that muscle,
the more likely
it strengthens.
And so for so many of us, this is the first time that dealing with changes like hitting
us in the face and we can't avoid it.
We can't skip it.
We can't pretend like it's not there.
We can't just say, oh, okay, like I can just go out with my friends and I wouldn't have
to worry about this anymore, right?
How many of us have used busyness,
used being productive, used being,
you know, just having a lot on as excuses
for not really addressing what we're going through.
And for the first time, it's hard to turn to any of those things.
it's hard to turn to any of those things.
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You know, one of the biggest challenges that we're all experiencing right now is that
we feel bad for what we feel sad about, right? How many of you are going through that right
now where you feel sad because you've lost something
or there's something missing in your life.
And then you feel bad because you're feeling sad
for something that doesn't feel worthy of losing
because someone else has lost so much more.
And this is something that we all go through in life.
So the example, let me just make it really simple
is that if someone's losing a family member
and you've lost a vacation,
you think you can't feel bad for losing that vacation.
Or if someone's lost their family member
and you may have lost your job,
but you're like, oh, at least I'm still alive,
at least my family still loves,
so you feel bad for feeling bad, right?
You feel bad about the feeling sad about whatever you've lost.
Now, the truth is that this is actually one
of the biggest mistakes
we make and change is that we belittle our pain, we shrink it, we make it feel insignificant.
So sometimes that's a useful thing, but it's not useful when you just shove your feelings
under the carpet, you hide them, the analogy I was giving to someone the other day is,
you know, when someone's coming over to your home, you've got guests coming over, you've got friends
coming over, and because you don't want to tidy up properly, you shove all your clothes,
all your snacks, whatever it is, you shove them into a wardrobe, hoping that no one's going
to find it, and they won't see it, and they come over and they're like, oh, your place
is so beautiful, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then, you know, in a few months time,
you somehow open that shelf up again by mistake
and everything falls on top of you.
Our problems are kind of like that.
We try and close away our problems
into the closet of hiding things from ourselves
or brushing it under the carpet.
And then one day, all of our problems cascade
and fall onto us when we reopen that closet.
So, you know, how many times are we going to keep doing this in our life?
And I feel like right now, and it's not about the best time.
It's a time when we don't really have a choice where we have to really
address what's going on.
So, I want to talk about these five stages of change that I was inspired by the Kublai
Ross model and the five stages of grief, but I saw these as being the personal development,
personal growth way of dealing with chains that I want to share with you today.
And these are the five stages that I'm sure you're going through.
And as you're listening to me, I want you to pinpoint where you think you are.
And remember, none of them is a good place to be or a bad place or a easy place or a hard
place.
I just want you to be honest with yourself about where you think you currently are.
And none of them makes you better or worse, right?
Like I want you to recognize that.
Like none of them makes you better or worse for where you are.
It's just important if you know,
we all know this, that when you figure out where you are,
then you know where you wanna go and where you wanna be.
So these are the five stages, and like I said,
I don't want you to judge yourself for feel guilty.
I want you to find yourself on the map,
and the reason I'm sharing this with you today
is I'm giving you the map of change,
because if you don't know where you are,
how you gonna get to where you wanna get to,
and that's really the issue, that when you're stuck in a zone, if you don't know where you are, how you gonna get to where you wanna get to. And that's really the issue that when you're stuck
in a zone, like a lot of us are right now,
when you feel stuck, when you feel lost,
when you feel confused, it gets really, really tough,
like really tough to know where you're going next.
And you kind of feel like there is no next.
How many times have you ever felt that you're like,
I've hit a wall, I'm at a dead end,
it's blocked, it's not going anywhere, I don't know what I'm going to do,
right? So this is what I'm giving you this. So the first stage, and this is, imagine the first time
you heard about COVID and you realize that there might be a lockdown and you might not be able to
see anyone. The first thing that we experience is anxiety, Right, how many of you hold your hand up right now,
not a way, how many of you felt anxiety, confusion, fear,
and feeling stuck.
I'm sure a lot of you felt that, I know I felt that.
You just full mask confusion, like pandemic.
I remember a lot of people saying the word pandemic,
it's like, wow, this sounds crazy.
I can't believe there's a pandemic. And then you go, wow, it's like, wow, this sounds crazy. I can't believe there's a pandemic.
And then you go, wow, it's affecting the whole world
for the first time.
And you're just getting anxious.
You're getting tons of alerts, you're getting tons of news,
you're getting tons of chats and conversations
and all the rest of it.
And all of a sudden, you're just completely anxious.
So anxiety is a very common thing
to feel at the beginning of change. Now one of the
biggest things that we do with anxieties, we almost feel surprised by it. We're like, oh no,
why am I feeling so anxious? Why am I feeling so nervous? Why am I confused? It's like, well,
wait a minute. If someone just told you news that you weren't expecting, it's natural to feel anxious.
I want you to realize this. We get surprised by anxiety and we start getting
worried that we're anxious. But actually what's happened is that anxiety is something that we should
expect because any time something new happens, you're naturally going to feel anxious. And anxiety
is a natural and normal feeling. It's when we demonize it. We get scared of it.
And this was one of the most beautiful teachings
I learned as a monk, that monks never demonize
or glorify anything.
We neutralize it.
So when you hear about anxiety, if you demonize anxiety,
it's like, oh no, anxiety is the worst thing
that could happen to me.
It's gonna happen to you again at some point,
when it happens to you, like, oh my God,
this is the worst thing that's happening to me, right? gonna happen to you again at some point when it happens to you, like, oh my God, this is the worst thing
that's happening to me, right?
You associate that demonized version of it.
Now, obviously, we know glorified anxiety,
but a glorified version is like,
oh my God, anxiety's the best thing in the world.
It's amazing.
That's also not true, right?
We don't want anxiety all the time.
We don't want to feel constantly anxious.
So neutralizing it means I expect it to happen,
and I'm learning to develop the tools
and the practices that help me manage it and navigate it
rather than expect it never to happen.
We want to lighten our life to be eternally present
or eternally absent.
So what I mean by that is often we say like,
I never want to feel anxious again.
News update, not possible.
Just not possible.
It's not possible to never feel anxiety.
It is possible to feel anxiety less.
It is possible to feel anxiety for less time.
It is not possible to never have an anxious thought, right?
So wanting something to be eternally absent
from our life, for it to never happen, it won't happen. It's not possible. And at the same time, we do the opposite. We want something to be eternally absent from our life for it to never happen. It won't happen. It's not possible.
And at the same time, we do the opposite.
We want something to be eternally present.
We say, I always want to be happy.
I want to be happy every single day.
You can be happy every day,
but you won't be happy every moment of every day.
That's also not possible.
And so these false expectations in our minds
and our lives, create anxiety.
And so I really want you to think about what's creating your anxiety and how the more we
learn to accept it and normalize it and neutralize it, the easier it begins to deal with.
Now the second thing that we all experience, which I think most of us experience in different
ways, is anger.
Now, anger doesn't mean you're shouting and screaming and being loud, it can mean that.
But anger also means like an internal feeling of like bitterness and just feeling upset
and angry at the world and angry at yourself and angry at what's going on and not being
productive.
So anger can also be inward.
It doesn't always have to be outward.
And I think a lot of us experience inward anger
more than we experience outward anger.
And again, this is the frustration,
the pain, the disappointment with ourselves
are the situation where angry at governments,
where angry at the world, where angry at the news,
we're just angry.
And again, this is something that we have to experience.
It's something we have to feel. It's not abnormal. What we have to try and do with our emotions is to
feel them for less time and give them less energy, but it doesn't mean we don't have to feel
them. And so maybe many of you went through anger. Again, figure out where you are on the
journey. Now, the third statement or the third place is acceptance.
Right, so you can see some of these are there
in the Kubla Ross model, although I mean different things.
For me, it's also accepting in the same way,
is that you accept what's going on.
You're like, okay, I get it.
The quarantine's a real thing, lockdown's a real thing,
COVID's a real thing, this is all real,
it's not going away, but that has been,
I'm happy about it.
It just means that I accept that it's there, it all real, it's not going away. But that has been I'm happy about it. It just means
that I accept that it's there, it's real and I have to deal with the fact that it's now
happening, right? It's getting to grips. Now, getting to acceptance as quick as you can
is a beautiful thing when it's real. Like you want to get to acceptance very beautifully and naturally and get to a point where you just are able
to say, yes, I've found it. Yes, I'm here. Yes, I'm there. But it needs to be real. And
sometimes we rush the process of getting to acceptance because we think we have to be
there. And I don't want you to be at acceptance because you feel you have to be there. I want
you to be at acceptance because you really are there. Right? When you feel you have to be there, I want you to be at acceptance because you really are there.
Right? When you feel you have to be somewhere, you're not really there. You know what I mean? Like, even when someone says you have to be at a party, you're not really there. That's kind of like
getting to acceptance. It's like, I want you to be there because you want to be there. I don't
want you to be there because you think you have to be there. You really think about that with acceptance.
Really think about that with acceptance. And acceptance again is not a permanent state.
So you may get to acceptance in a day and then you may feel in anxiety again the next day.
That's fine, but acceptance is a growing state.
Again, it's not permanent.
Anything when we're looking for permanent, there's nothing that has that permanent fixture
for us when it comes to our emotions.
And that should them worry us, it should save us from the false expectation.
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The fourth stage is adjusting and adapting.
Now, this is where you should be spending most of your time
and where you want to be,
where you're experimenting with morning routines,
you're experimenting with trying out new workouts,
you're experimenting with trying to find your feet,
and adjusting and adapting is something we find unnerving,
but actually we can find very exciting,
because you're constantly trying to find out
how to make this work and how it fits.
And so I feel like anxiety was with me for about three days. For me, when I first heard about all
of this, I was anxious about how we would affect things and trying to figure it out.
Anger, I've worked on feeling less and less in life, but definitely can go inwards to be aware of it.
Acceptance, I've trained myself through this process to get there quicker. Adjusting and adapting took the longest period for me.
So I feel like I was adjusting and adapting for a good three weeks.
For three weeks, I didn't know what kind of routine I wanted, how I wanted to focus.
And I found that having a morning routine, having that certainty in your day is what creates
adjusting and adapting easy.
So when you're doing the adjusting and adapting mode, what you want to do to get there is you want to create a stake in the ground. One landmark thing
that you do every day, one landmark thing you do in the morning and in the evening, one
flagship thing. And that really allows that to become easier. So in the anxiety phase,
what you want to do is you want to seek facts. When we're anxious, you want to research and seek facts.
You want to focus away from fiction, focus away from opinion,
you want to focus on facts.
And that's what we don't do in anxiety and anxiety.
It's very natural to go with opinions.
It's very natural to get lost in ideas,
but actually in anxiety, what you want is facts.
That's how you solve anxiety and change.
You move towards facts.
Now, when you're feeling anger, what
do you do in anger? In anger, you journal, you allow yourself to feel that pain, but you
try and direct it towards what's actually stopping you, which will come back to yourself.
You want to not direct anger towards yourself, but you want to direct that reflection. So
anger requires reflection and introspection. Inacceptance to get there, what you wanna do
is you want to start creating a real viewpoint now
of where you think they're heading
and adjusting and adapting.
You wanna spend experimenting and exploring.
And the fifth and final step I call is action.
This is when you finally get into a groove and you create a plan and you start
moving and making a difference in your life and the lives of others. So the five stages of
managing any change are anxiety, anger, acceptance, adjusting and adapting and action. And guess what's
it's a cycle. You are going to go through all of the multiple times, do not expect to get to action and then not fall back into anxiety later that week. And that shouldn't
discourage you. It should make you feel like you have a real plan. If you know that
it's going to happen, it's like you have to work out every day. You know that you don't
get to a particular type of body or mind and then it just stays the same, right? It doesn't
work like that. And what I've been blown away by right now is the best of humanity, like, you know, the
people that have not stopped living because of the virus.
And that's really the key to managing change is that you find a new way to live and you
find a new way to fall in love with your life.
And when I've seen people, I've seen people like getting married on Zoom.
I've seen a person
who was disinfecting all of their FedEx packages when they delivered them. I've seen someone who
was in a church just with their partner and they put pictures of all of their family members
around them and got married. I mean, I've seen incredible things and it fills me with so much
joy and hope that people find ways to manage change. And therefore, one of the best ways to manage change is affection, giving affection to others.
It lets you feel like you have a role.
When you feel you're part of the solution, it makes you feel like the problem is getting
smaller and smaller.
When you're not a part of the solution, the problem feels like it's getting bigger and
bigger and bigger.
So I really hope that you applied this to right now.
I hope you applied to any change in your life.
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