On Purpose with Jay Shetty - Anitta: 6 Ways to Heal Your Inner Child & Let Go of Past Trauma

Episode Date: June 3, 2024

What does healing your inner child mean? How can you heal from past trauma? Today, let's welcome Grammy-nominated global superstar, Anitta, who has become a leading artist of a new generation of Latin American music. Her album "Versions of Me" surpassed 1 billion streams on Spotify, and she earned a Grammy nomination for Best New Artist in 2023. Known for her energetic performances and bold personality, Anitta is also deeply spiritual, integrating various practices to maintain her well-being and authenticity. A significant part of the episode focuses on the duality of Anitta's identity. She explains how she balances her stage persona with her true self, Larissa, and the importance of nurturing both. Anitta shares the struggles she faced with comparisons, societal expectations, and the pressure to maintain a certain image. Her journey towards self-acceptance and self-love is a powerful testament to the resilience of the human spirit.  Jay and Anitta also talk about the importance of staying grounded amidst success, sharing her daily routines that include meditation, energy cleansing, and connecting with nature. Despite facing criticism and backlash, she remains committed to expressing and celebrating her culture through her music and public appearances. In this interview, you'll learn: How to stay grounded amidst success How to overcome comparisons How to heal from past trauma How to manage your health How to cultivate self-love How to handle criticisms Anitta's story is a reminder that true success is not just about external achievements but also about inner peace, self-love, and staying connected to one's roots. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 03:39 How Do You Prepare for a Performance? 05:05 Meditation Practice 08:17 How Elevate Your Energy 11:06 Comparison is Making Us Unhappy 16:04 Successful But Unhappy 29:24 Doing Things for Your Happiness 37:04 Health Scare 38:10 Healing Emotional Trauma 42:46 What Are You Here For? 45:19 Getting Off Birth Control 51:12 Two Energy in One Body 58:32 Society’s Double Standard in Dating 01:01:38 Different Religion and Faith 01:11:30 We All Have a Choice 01:16:10 Challenges and Hardships Along the Way  01:24:22 Dealing with Conflicts 01:29:14 Opportunities for Better Exposure 01:34:14 Finding Balance in Life 01:35:21 Anitta on Final Five Episode Resources: Anitta | Instagram Anitta | Twitter Anitta | Facebook Anitta | YouTube Anitta | TikTok See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Jay Shetty. The one, the only Jay Shetty. The only Jay Shetty. Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the place you come to become happier, healthier and more healed. I'm so grateful that you've chosen to listen in today and I'm so excited because I get to sit down with someone that I've been DMing and messaging for some time now and finally we made it happen.

Since breaking through in Brazil, Grammy nominated global superstar Anita has become the leading artist of a new generation of Latin American music. Anita's single, Envolver, became the biggest solo debut by a Brazilian artist in the history of the Spotify global chart and broke Anita's record by reaching number one on iTunes in 19 countries. Anita released her album Versions of Me in April 2022 and went on to earn the highly coveted Best New Artist Grammy nomination for the 65th Grammy Awards in 2023.

The album now has surpassed one billion streams on Spotify. Anita is the first Brazilian artist with 35 million monthly listeners on Spotify history and the Brazilian female artist with the most charting songs in Hot 100 history. Anita's newest album is what's to come from a highly anticipated forthcoming album, Funk Generation, which was released April 26th. Please give an on purpose welcome to Anita. Anita, I'm so grateful and honored to have you here.

I'm so happy to be here. I'm really glad. Finally, yes! Thank you, thank you. When we were messaging, I got so happy because you messaged me back going, oh my God, I'm sorry I missed this message. Like, I was like, it was so sweet and kind of you. And I was like, you're Anita, like, how are you? You know, and it was so sweet and kind of you and I was like, you're Anita, like how are you?

And it was so gracious of you and it was beautiful to interact with you in that way. Thank you for being so, what's the right word? Like just so casual and behind the scenes. I'm very like that. I like to be simple and everything. So yeah, when I saw your message, I was like, how could I miss this? I love this so much. So I'm really happy to be here.

Well, thank you so much. I want to dive straight in. It is now, it is 3.30pm. You're going on stage tonight at 9pm. Yes, I am. I want everyone to know, Anita, no one has ever come this early to On Purpose. Anita was 45 minutes early and she has a show this evening and she's not asking to rush away. What does a show day look for you? Like when I watch you on stage, you're bold, you're powerful,

you're so energetic, your performances are so emphatic. Like how do you prepare? You're going on stage tonight. How do you prepare for that from now till then? So I think it's to what need is for everything. A few years ago and nowadays. I think before I used to just do so many things at the same time and it was just this rush to conquer things

and I wanted to reach every opportunity, do everything. And it was very like, it was a lot for me. You know, it was too much. Nowadays, when it's a concert day, I like to just enjoy the day, wake up, meditate, listen to some mantras or do a massage or something that I know that is gonna put me in a good vibe to exchange energy

with the people. You know, so nowadays I have this thing in my mind that I want it to be a great experience. In the beginning, I used to go on stage just thinking about the result that later when I'm going to get from it to the, I wouldn't, I wasn't just thinking about the present moment of exchanging energy with those people. And nowadays I do. So for me, it's really important for me to get to this place with a good circle of white light around me, you know? And you said you meditate. What kind of practice is that?

You said you do some mantras. What does that look like for you? So I have a big circle of people that help me. I have Shaman, a woman that does constellation, a woman that does, it's called, I don't know how to say that in English, but let me try to English size the word. It's called a radionic table. It's like where you put some crystals and stones

and you do like a cleansing in your aura or something like that. So I have these different people and I dream a lot. So every time I wake up, I know what's about to come. For example, yesterday I woke up feeling this crazy excitement because in the afternoon I did a Kundalini session, activation of Kundalini and this lady from Brazil, her name is Saiz and she does it online.

I do it in person too, but she does it online and it's crazy because your body just moves and it's so special. So I woke up yesterday feeling like I was gonna explode. It felt like my body was gonna do, it was so powerful. And I woke up with this song in my mind that I didn't know exactly where I heard this song before. And I was just singing, I was like, I think it was in a yoga class.

So I called my yoga teacher and I said, yo, have you played a song for me that goes like this? So I sing for her and she goes, yes. So she sent me the link and the name was Heart Chakra. That meant so much to me because I woke up feeling like my heart was gonna explode. And when I had this song, that was the name. So yesterday, that's what I did. I was singing this song, I did a yoga, it was so special.

Today, I woke up different. I don't know, I had some bad dreams because I believe when we dream our soul, they travel to different places, right? And sometimes it can be not as good place. So I woke up feeling weird and then I called this lady that does this family constellation with me. So I said, I feel weird. And she was like, okay, sit down, let's meditate together. So she guides me and she opens this energetic circle and five minutes, 10 minutes later, I was already feeling amazing again. And then I was like, oh, it's so different when you have discipline and focus

on keeping your frequency high. And every time I feel like it's not as high, I do something immediately to make it better. So for me to go on the concert, I need to be feeling on my highest, you know? Yeah, thank you for sharing that with us. And I love that so much because I feel that, you know, if you're out of milk at home,

you go and buy milk. Or if you're out of milk at home, you go and buy milk. Or if you're out of bread, you go and buy some bread. And I think sometimes we overthink when we're out of inspiration or we're out of alignment or we're out of the higher frequency and we're feeling a lower frequency. We don't realize that all we have to do is reconnect or plug in again. And that simply brings it back. And I think we overthink and we think, oh gosh, I'm not worthy of it, or I'm not good enough,

or I lost it, or it's left me now. And we don't realize that it is something that we can recultivate and rebuild and regrow into. And so I love hearing that, yesterday you woke up feeling like this explosive energy, and today you woke up feeling like this explosive energy and today you woke up not feeling that. And that's kind of how something we can all relate to, I feel.

Like we all experience that. 100%. And usually when we wake up not feeling that amazing, maybe from things from the subconscious or something like that, we're stuck in there and we don't know what to do and we don't feel like doing things. And that's what happens when we go on a lower frequency. We are aligned with, and I believe in other spirits

and things like that. We are aligned with other spirits and energies that want you to stay there. So of course you're not gonna have the strength to go there, you know? But it's important to keep it and to do it just for the discipline. And then, and then you're going to start elevating, elevating, elevating, and exercises that can seem idiots, idiotics, but it's not like one,

my Shaman, when I told her, she was like, okay, so you open your arms, you do a circle. And I was like doing all these exercises, putting my arms up, breathing, doing it. When I was done, I was like, wow, life is great again. And it just takes you a little bit of discipline to understand that it's in your power. And sometimes we like to play victims, saying like, oh, a victim, like, some person did this and that to me. I feel bad because that person did this, that person did that. And no, you have the power to feel good.

It doesn't matter what the other people do or the energy people throw at you. All of that is real and exists. But if you're aligned with yourself, nothing that the people do or throw at you can reach you, because you are powerful, in control of your own circle of energy, you know? Yeah, absolutely. Well, for whatever it's worth, I can honestly say that from the moment you walked in and we interacted, I was like, this energy is good. So, for whatever it's worth, it's working.

I felt the same here. Such a good energy here. Thank you. But I definitely felt that as soon as we met and we started talking, I was like, oh, wow, this is... I was so uplifted immediately through your space. So whatever's happening, it's working. Walk me through, what are some of the things that you still find

do bring energy down for people or do bring our frequency and vibration down like what is it for you that kind of feels that way? I think comparison to be compared with others, it's one of the, I think the most, the most important thing right now that makes everybody go, you know, down because we have the internet in our hands. And we're there, it was made to connect us, but we're not connected at all anymore. Instead of connecting, we're just falling apart and spreading ourselves, like, and just becoming judgmental and everything.

And I just think when we look at other people's pages, Instagram, TikTok, whatever, instead of just getting an inspiration or like feeling happy for something, you start comparing and thinking, why I don't have this? I should have that. My life should be like this.

I should, and then you never get to be yourself because you're so consumed by other people's lives and choices and then you think you need to be this or then you see another person, no, I need to be that. And then you say, oh no, I should be doing this. And never you can get with yourself and be like, what do I really wanna be? What do I really wanna do? And depending on all the other people that I know or that I follow.

You know, and when we compare each others, we are not being fair to us, to them, because we are born in different status, different countries, different body shapes. Society has so many rules to follow, even with all the prejudice, racism, the opportunities are not the same. So you cannot compare somebody that is born in a country

that doesn't have as much opportunities, structure, with a person that was born in the place that has 50 times more. It's super unfair. There is no balance. So when you put yourself in this unfair situation, I feel like your inner child gets mad at you. It's like comparing two brothers or a sister and a brother that were born in different times, different situations. They are not the same gender. And then imagine your parent doing that to a kid.

That's what you are doing to your inner child. Wow. And then you feel sad, you feel frustrated and your mind starts, because our mind works on the purpose of not letting us suffer, right? So when you start comparing your mind starts creating this anxiety to think about solutions for you to not suffer. So for me, if I'm comparing myself with that person, what's the solution?

I should do this and this and that so I can get close to what, and for me, it's too much. And I used to be like that. I used to compare myself the whole time with other singers. And then I decided to come out of Brazil, something that nobody was doing. When Brazil, we speak Portuguese, not Spanish. I was learning Spanish, learning the culture, learning English.

So why I was comparing myself to people outside or to people in Brazil that they were not even leaving Brazil. I was putting effort in something that of course I would need to step a little bit behind, leave Brazil a little bit. So of course I cannot compare with the people in Brazil because they are not putting, they are putting 100% of the time, I'm putting 50 because the other 50 I'm here studying, learning other things. And I cannot compare with the people that speak Spanish or English because they are in Spanish or English. They're not in Brazil 50% of the time coming back to Brazil to give this. And I had this always comparing, always comparing. And nowadays I just feel like, wow,

I was so mean to myself. It's not fair to do this to you. Not even about the things that we can see which is like nationality or physical type but also family karmas, family traumas, you know, past lives, so many things that we cannot even know how hard it is for me or for you, it's just different. It is for me or for you, it's just different. Hey everyone, it's Jay here. My wife and I have had so much fun creating our own sparkling tea Juni.

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Which is why Juni is now on shelves at Target. So head to our store locator at drinkjuni.com and find Juni at a Target near you. Yeah, well said. Absolutely. I think you're so right that instead of connecting, we're comparing. And we get lost in that trap and it feels like a prison. And you kind of keep going round and round in a loop. I mean, speaking of comparing, you were saying that a few years ago, before an event, you would have been like doing so many things and doing all this.

And now you're like, well, wait a I want to meditate I want to do this. What changed? In two, when my song went number one in the world, I worked so hard for that, I was the first Latina, first female Latin singer to have a solo song, number one in the world. And it was just like I was everywhere, everyone was listening to the song, everyone was dancing to it. And then I got sick.

I got super sick. And usually when I talk about that, people go like, but what was it? What? And we don't know. I just couldn't walk upstairs in my house. I was super tired. I was super. I wasn't strong. I couldn't breathe well.

It was so many things. And then my bladder had issues. And then I did a blood test and it was like a lot of cancer indicators. It was just a lot of things that was at the same time, nothing, but it was, it was so crazy. And then I tried everything. I stayed in the hospital for so many months

and just seeing all this success and I was not happy at all. I was just in this internal fight with my duality because I believe we all have this duality which is our ego with our soul. Then I met this Shaman. She does this method called a pregnancy map. She gets all the information from your mother's pregnancy when you were inside of her.

And then she understands the way your brain works, the way your, how your soul, your inner child suffered, what are your fears, your traumas, your karmas. And then I went to her retreat for five days, no cell phone, no power, no light, nothing, just nature, a lot of therapy, a lot of crystals, a lot of like rituals that are actually like meditation three times a day. And then to eat, we wouldn't eat with knife and fork, it was with the hands to feel what we were

eating, the food that was planted there. And we could be part of it thinking about how this food was done, the whole process until it gets to our mouths and everything. So I was there and this whole time, right, she tells you like things that you want to give up, leave and things that you want to bring to you. And I was just, you know, when you're so focused on what people are saying, or what people are expecting from you, that you don't listen to yourself. I was kind of like that. And I was writing like, I talked too much. I'm very like outspoken. I'm always with different guys.

I talk too much, dance too much. Oh, I'm very like extravagant. I move my hands too much. I did it, you know, when you just, look at what people say about you and you just wanna be less. I wanna talk less, I wanna be less. I'm to talk less. I want to be less. I'm too much.

So I write all those things. And then what I want, I want to be balanced. I want to be calm. I want to be patient because my brother is very much like that. And my mom, it's fun. Cause nowadays me, my brother, my dad, my mom, we all went on this journey together and my family too. So they all do sessions of Kundalini

with me, family constellations, it's so good. But my brother was more of like a calm, patient, chill, like my mom. And I was very much like my dad. Don't do that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that She used to have this connection with my dad, with my brother more. And I had more with my dad, but he was out. We didn't live at the same house. So that was very painful to me as a kid. So I wanted to be like my brother. And I didn't understand that the fact that we are different is the special, you know?

Me as a kid, of course. And then I put all those things and I was so confused. And the character, Anita, and me as a person is so different because I think when the artist is an actor, it's easy for the audience to see the actor acting and understand, oh, that's a character. And I don't know how this actor is in life for singers different. Cause they see you doing that on stage or speaking in interviews and they

think, Oh, that's the person. Yeah. Right. They don't understand that that's also a character that you made to protect yourself, that you're, that's your public character. But your real person is really different most of the times. For me it was really hard and I was like, yeah, this Anita has nothing to do with me.

I used to be chill, I used to be this and that. Very like mean to me again. Yeah. And the end of the process. My brother went with me because I was like, I'm going to this place that I have no idea what it is. I need somebody to come with me because what if it's dangerous? It was not, it was great.

But in the middle of it, in the end of it, my brother was like, oh, I'm so happy it came in. My brother didn't believe in any of these things, right? And I was like, I looked at him and I was disgusted I felt disgusted because she does a lot of like spiritual it's kind of like let's say Reiki but it's not it's deeper than that and I looked at him and I was like I'm disgusted and then she came to me and we were going to leave and she said, how do you feel? I said, awful. I think I wasted my time. I was feeling this

dark energy inside of me. It was so bad. And she said, okay, lay down, let's talk. And I lay down and she put her hands here on me. And when she did that, we don't take anything there, right? No drugs, no, not micro dosing, nothing. It's just meditation. That's it. And me as a kid, I showed up in front of me, this girl, just when my eyes closed, you know, and it happens inside of you. And she was looking at me like this.

And I looked at her and I was like, please stay here. There's a demon here. There's a demon sending these dark energy around us. We need to protect ourselves. And she was just looking at me like this. And I was like, stay here, stay here. And she said, no, it's not a demon. The little me, the little me like that.

It's not a demon. You want her to be less talkative, less this, less that, less jumper, less... Because I'm almost... Less expressive. I am not less. I am more. So if you want to be less, I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna let you here alone. Wow. I was like, no, no, no, no. Oh my God, no, no, no, no, no, you're perfect. You're perfect the way you are. And I was just hugging her like, you're perfect, please.

Oh my God, you're perfect. And she was like, okay, are you gonna accept that I like to jump? I like to dance, I like to talk loud. I like to call attention because I'm amazing. You felt lonely and I survived. I'm a genius. I'm smart.

I'm talented. And you're not looking at it. They want me to be less. And I was like, oh, I want you to be everything you can be. Please, oh God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. And since that day, and then when we make pieces with each other, since that day, I know how to go there,

close my eyes, talk to my inner child and understand what's wrong and hug her and ask why we're not happy, what's happening? and ask why we're not happy, what's happening? Why are we mad? Why are we feeling anxious? And then she tells me, and then I'm like, okay, let's get it done as adults that we are. And sometimes we don't realize that our inner child

can be so hurt that start doing things that we don't like. And sometimes we ask ourselves, why do I behave like that? Why I'm so mad or why I'm so childish sometimes? And it's because of that. And we need to learn how to connect. And then after that, I just started prioritizing different things. You know, I started to prioritize my peace,

my time, take care of me. Because I think people congratulate you a lot about your professional accomplishments. Oh, you're doing great, you're doing good, you're doing great. And then you just feel like you need that to be somebody. Yeah. You need that to be somebody and you don't need.

I watched a movie these days and I love watching movies that put me on a good frequency. I watch a movie these days called Becoming Nobody. I haven't seen that. Have you watched that? It's really good. Okay. Becoming Nobody. Oh, I haven't seen that. I haven't watched that. No, I haven't seen that. It's really good. Okay. Becoming nobody. And I was, I woke up like some months ago, I woke up feeling, and I watched this movie

and I came back to my frequency right away. Because, you know, there are tools that can help you. It's a song or a movie. And I was so, there was this emptiness inside of me that I felt like I could fulfill it with success, awards, streams, algorithms. And these days, a friend of mine from Brazil, that she was like very poor, very like,

she used to struggle a lot in life. And then a few years ago, she got everything she wanted, money, everything, success. And she texted me these days. And I have, my friends know that I'm very spiritual nowadays and so they always text me for something. What can I do? I feel like, I don't know.

It's so, it's funny. And I feel glad. She said, I feel like I was happier when I had nothing. And I told her, I think it's because when we have nothing, we have something to blame. So we say, oh, I'm not happy because I don't have the house. I'm not happy because I don't have money. I'm not happy because I'm not successful. So we just be like, oh, okay, it's because I don't have that.

Let's keep going. Yeah. But when you have it and then you're still not happy, there's nobody else to blame but yourself. Wow. And then you feel bad because you're like, wow, I have everything and I'm not happy. What's going on? What I'm still looking for. You know, I got all the awards I wanted. I got all the streams. I got this, I got that. And now I still feel that it's missing something. But it's not. It's because we were doing these things, not because we were feeling good or enjoying the journey. It's because we thought that the result was going to fulfill us on something that just we can do for ourselves. Yeah.

Well said. That's, that's really powerful. I've, I've never heard it put like that, that difference between when you didn't have anything, you had something to blame. Whereas when you have everything, you don't have anything to blame. And that is so interesting because I think people would say like, oh, money doesn't buy happiness or awards don't buy happiness. And it's like, sure, that makes sense. But the real thing is because we haven't yet figured out what does give our life meaning, what

does give us a sense of connection. And I guess that's what's given you confidence now in your career at this stage to shift and create music from a place of, I'm gonna be bold, I'm gonna be authentic, I'm gonna be myself, I'm not gonna care about... Because I think at one point you were saying, I was reading your amazing honor for you in Variety, and congratulations on that, it was incredible to see. And I was reading, you were talking about how, you know, at one point, you did get really attached and addicted to all those things as you do, as things are growing and things are going ahead.

And you said, well, now I actually don't feel that way. I want to. Do you think that's just a natural effect of having achieved so much? And then you think to yourself, okay, now I want to do something more meaningful or? No, I don't think so because I know a lot of people that they still feel that they need more. They still feel that it's because they are falling. You know, so they still feel like they need more. They want more. So they want a bigger house, a bigger car, a bigger this, more this, more that.

And they are not understanding what's the point. You know, they feel like. And I think it's because nowadays, the streaming, the algorithms, the internet, it's just crazy how people operate nowadays. It doesn't matter if you had the biggest success for five years, if nowadays you're not selling as much, if nowadays you're not number one anymore

and people got used to see you number one many times or top ten many times now you're not even going to top 50 they're gonna start saying wow this person dead dead and I hate this behavior of an industry to be like oh no not hot anymore this person is hot now that person not hot so that means whatever this person did for these five years, I don't know, it doesn't matter because now this person is not hot anymore.

Oh, cheesy. Oh, bad. Don't associate with this person. This person, dad. But if tomorrow this person has a success, oh no, he's super cool, come on. And that was driving me so crazy. And I just understood we were depending

on these people's approval to see if we had value or not. And I did not want to be dependent on that. You know, it feels like you are in the people's hands and I don't want that. And I feel like we are only successful and happy if we know that if I lose everything, if I'm not number one, number ten, number 100, number 300, I'm still going to be happy. If yes, then great. If no, then you need to stop everything that you're doing and start working on yourself to make sure even if you lose everything, you're still happy.

Because then you're gonna make good decisions. So I only, when I started to go on this journey of understanding myself and understanding that I was doing things just because I was so empty inside and I felt like I was not good enough. I needed more people's approval, people's love. It was like a drug. Success is like a drug if you don't understand it's like part of life. So when I understood that I was like, I'm just gonna do the type of music that I feel like. If I get 10 plays, if I have 10 million or a hundred, I don't care.

I wanna feel good, I wanna feel happy. Also, I feel like everyone has their moment. God gives us the moment for us to enjoy this, amazing. And then we go to the next next to evolve on something else. Yeah. We did what we needed here. Oh, great. You killed it.

Got all the awards, all the success. Let's go to another thing. No, we get addicted because the people in this environment, if you're not there anymore, they're going to say, this person, nah, dad, not good. And then you pay attention to that and you're like, no, I can't lose this. So you keep doing all the things that you were already tired of doing.

It doesn't give you the same pleasure anymore, but you keep doing it just so people don't say you failed. So I was like, you know what? I do not care. Everyone can tell me I failed. Oh my gosh, she used to be a success. Now, nobody cares. I care. That's all that matters to me. I don't care if nobody cares. Yeah. There's a... I love hearing that. There's a beautiful Zen saying that you're reminding me of.

This Zen saying says that letting go is hard, but holding on is harder. And often all of our pain is coming because we're holding on to who we were, holding on to who we wish we were, holding on to what people used to love, holding on to what people validated, what people approved. And we're holding on to that and not realizing that universe, the God, energy

is trying to gently take us away. But our holding on is what's making it so aggressive and painful. And that's when, you know, if you're holding on to anything really, really tight and it's being taken away, it's going to hurt you. And I think that's what we all go through. We don't want to gracefully accept growth. And so we sometimes get aggressively pushed out and pushed through it. Yes, it's because I think society has taught us that we need to always be growing. But when they say growing, it's not inside.

It's outside. So your house cannot be the same house in 10 years. You have to be moved to a bigger one, a better one. Your job cannot be the same job, even if you're happy. No, no, no, you gotta be bigger. But nature is one thing we come here and we have, if we see how animals behave, right, they go to a tree, the bird goes there, eat what's necessary for him and leaves. The human goes there and gets what's necessary for him.

And let me get more just to have, just to see that I have more, just to show people that I have more. But then you're not even, you don't need it. You don't need it. You don't need it. But the way society taught us that we need more, we need to be every day bigger and bigger. Then if you go a little smaller in this area to go bigger in another area that people are not seeing, that doesn't, it's not the same value, you know?

I chose now in my life to... I understood I went so big and it was so good. I'm down to keep going and if it goes bigger, it's cool. If it doesn't, it's super cool too. I'm happy to sing to the amount of people that I'm singing now or if it becomes less because I'm a little less crazy, it's fine to me too because because I wanna grow in something else. It's so good when you do,

when I do my spiritual things, I feel so happy. I feel like nothing could give me this happiness. It doesn't end. It just goes and it goes, that goes bigger and it's unfinished, you know? And it doesn't give you anxiety. It just gets better, better, better. And I'm like, I'm super down to be less successful here and make more money.

Less, not more money, make like less money to get big in this other side which is inside. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I always find that material language is big and better, bigger and better, and then spiritual language is deeper and more impactful. And that depth is, I think, what sounds like you're searching after.

With, was this the same time that you were suffering with like endometriosis? Yes. Was this like the hormonal changes? It was that and then it was more and then I found out that it was there, that and then it was my bladder and then it was so many things. And then when I came out at the retreat, the cancer levels in my blood was not there anymore. I didn't have anything, it was just getting better

and now I feel like I'm in control. I do feel like emotional when when we hold on to emotion and emotional traumas and things like that, it can get physical, you know? And when I do like family constellations, for example, if people don't, they never heard of it, please search, because it's so good. When I do that, I feel sometimes pain in some way.

While we're doing the session, I feel like, or my bladder, or my heart, or my stomach. And then when it's over, I feel like, ooh, I cleaned. It's better. You know, so I do feel like it can become physical for sure. What were the biggest traumas that have stayed with you, that have come up for you, that you feel you've carried?

Because you obviously grew up in the favelas, you grew up, you know, not in the easiest of circumstances. I think you mentioned yourself that you're almost treated like trash in Brazil. Yes, for so long. And so like, tell me about what are the traumas you felt you've held on to from your childhood that are now coming up that you're healing now? So there is this one interesting situation in the path of this healing thing. There was this one thought that was always coming to my mind, right?

I was here being Anita. I have three different houses. I have everything I need. Okay. If I want to retire right now, I can and I will live comfortably for the rest of my life. But all of a sudden, I was just here, minding my business, and I thought would come to my mind, what if I get pregnant and I lose all my money and I don't have money to survive? And then I need to work in the streets to get food to my babies and to,

and then I need to work in the streets to get food to my babies and to, and I would be like, why am I thinking this? Why am I doing that? Why? And then I did this session with my Shaman and she said, this is not your thought. You got this thought. The same way we get DNA from our parents

and like the hair, the eyes, the body, we can get from thoughts and energy behaviors and we don't realize that. So I told her, oh, for real? And then we did a session to clean this, right? To remove this from me because it's not mine. It comes from my family. So I did the session and I talked to my mom. I said, mom, have you ever had this thought of like that you were going

to lose everything? We're not going to have money, this and that. And that was like right before my, my birthday of 30 years old birthday. So she said, yeah. Um, when I got pregnant from you, your dad lost his job. And I felt like we were not gonna have money to feed you guys. And I would need to work in houses as like a housemate or something to buy food. And I was like, wow, that makes total, and she spent the whole pregnancy with this fear of not having the money to feed us.

So she was fearing it. And there is like, I produced a movie with a friend of mine called Me. And it talks about this, the thoughts, the negative thoughts that your mom carries in the pregnancy becomes neuropeptides in your brain. So that's why you have these thoughts.

And I was like, wow, mom. And I did the session with the lady and I got, I never had this thought again. And then I was doing my birthday. I was 30 years old, so special. And I had this place that I wanted to do in Brazil and for some reason every place I was trying it was not available. I was trying everywhere. Oh, not available because of this. Not available because of that. I closed one place. No, not available anymore. So there was just this one place, just this one spot. And I said, okay, let's go.

What can we do? It's the only spot. Let's go. So I sent my dad the invitation, sent to my dad. I said, oh, dad, the party this year is going to be here. He was like, oh my God, daughter, this address is a... My dad didn't know about the talk I had to my mom. Nothing, right?

And he's my best friend, but I didn't mention him. He goes, oh my God, daughter, this address used to be the company's address that I got fired when your mom was pregnant. And I was like, I'm dead. Like, we're here celebrating my 30 years old with a party like full of everything that we are always afraid of not having. That's crazy. And the same address.

That's crazy. We're in life. That for me was such an answer from the universe. Right? And I was like, wow, this is so meaningful. And life is full of these, these situations that for me are not coincidence at all. Guess what, Mango?

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That's really powerful and I love that full circle moment. Agree. And I love, I mean, the movie that you made, is that out? Where can we watch that? Me? The name is Me. My friend of mine, the one introduced me to this shaman. She did it. And then she called, she asked me to help her producing it and sharing with the platforms and everything. So I was helping her on this final touch of the movie. And it talks about this, about how you can get heritage from your parents, not only in your blood,

physical, but also mental and karmas that come from your mom, from your grandmother, because it comes from father to daughter, you know, and, um, it's important to clean it, to, to work on it because otherwise we're here with no purpose. We're not, we, we get, we spend all this time here and we don't figure out what's your purpose. What are you here for? You know, and I always had in my life this desire to understand. And when I was a kid, I was very like that already. I used to dream a lot about a lot of things. My mom tells me that I used to wake up and see people. And I was always very connected.

I used to tell them everything that was gonna happen in my life. Everything. Yeah, you had visions of Hades. Everything. I used to tell them like, oh, I'm gonna sing here. I'm gonna do this. Our house is gonna be like this, like this.

I used to give them details of everything. And my dad, he was always very stressed with work. And he tells me that I used to come to him and say, dad, don't worry. In the end, everything's going to be great. You will see. You're so smart. You're so cute.

You're so nice. In the end, you will see, you're not going to worry about any of this. I'm going to be a singer. I'm going to do this and this and that. And it's so fun when he tells me because I was actually describing so precisely what precisely what was going to happen.

Yeah. I mean, you've, it sounds like you've made so much spiritual investment in transforming your mind, your heart, your energy, your space. And at the same time, you've also made physical changes. Like I was learning that you also were on birth control and then you left birth control. And I feel like even those types of changes were linked to this kind of internal change that was going on. 100%. Like walk me through how life has been different when you were on birth control and then when you left.

Like walk us through that decision. I just feel like it's not natural. It was not natural, you know, and I was just... And it's not fair if you stop to think why just a woman needs to suffer about this situation, you know, it needs to be a two people decision and prevention and care. But with hormones, it was crazy because I couldn't be, it was just never, life was never like this. It was like crazy to me and I don't get a lot.

My body doesn't receive this well, you know? And when I started to accept, to go into more of a natural life, also in my nutrition, I try to eat vegan in a lot of moments, not 100%. I made it for two years and then it got, yeah, it was really good. I hope I can get again in the future,

but the more I can, I think if everyone cuts at least 30%, 30%, you can still eat, but just 30% less of animals, food and everything, it's already so good for the world, you know, and also for our energy. I understand it's hard, it's delicious, I made it two years and I'm back, but just 30% less. Everyone, if we all get together in this decision, it's already a big shift for the universe, you know. That's what I believe. And it changed a lot to me when I started to care and give more attention and priority to this side of life.

Cause before I was just worried about being more successful, richer, make more money. And what was crazy was that I wanted to make more money, be more successful, but I had no idea how much money I had. I didn't check my bank accounts and I was just making to make it. I didn't even know. Nowadays, I'm more chill, but I know. I check my stuff, I take care of it, but I'm like, okay, I can chill.

I don't need a bigger house. I don't need two different cars. I'm fine, you know. How was the birth control negatively affecting you hormonally? What were you experiencing? Hair loss, and then the skin goes crazy, and then the mood goes crazy, and then you get very depressed in a moment, and then very happy, and then very angry. It's a rollercoaster. It's a roller coaster and I just didn't want that.

And then, and also your energy, when it gets close to the period, you have no energy, I just wanted to sleep all day. It was just so bad. And now I'm just stable. I'm always the same. And you can feel that difference. Yeah, I can feel totally the difference.

Yeah. But it took for me more than a year to get clean from birth control. More than a year for me to stop feeling the side effects. And it's interesting what you said about that joint responsibility of prevention. Between two people, but it all falls on the woman. It's two people deciding something, right? It shouldn't be just the woman's responsibility. And I feel like if it was the man getting pregnant,

it would be very different. Very different. The laws would be different. The birth controls would be different. Everything would be very different. And I think people don't realize these side effects that you're explaining right now. I feel like it's so common for women to be on birth control, but people don't realize like how many other negative impacts it's having in life,

whether it's mood, performance. Yes, and I think also in the future, maybe when you're older, you're going to feel more. And before I had a copper IUD and it was so bad for my youthers. So bad. It was just a lot of blood, and then it's worse for the endometriosis. It was a whole thing. So nowadays, I just use condom. They exist for a reason.

You know, I pray God. I talk to the universe, I plan with the universe when is the time, I use the condom and let's go. No, no kid today. I just, I can feel it and I think the universe when you plan it and when you communicate, I communicate with the universe so much. I say, okay, so I want to do this, this and that. And then you can send me the person that I believe that it's a good person to be the father of my kids.

Or the mother. And then I'll be ready to do it. But I want this answer. For me to start this, I need the universe to give me that. So I always talk. I write a lot what I want. I check the eclipse is the moon and I write according to that. And then I feel like all of these are like natural safe rituals that you can do that can only do good for you, you know? And I like to take baths of plants, roses, or different plants that are good for different...

I love the indigenous thoughts that they have and the way the plants can cure everything and also the energy. So I use that a lot on me. I do my own stuff. That's incredible. I love it. And you've talked a lot about the difference between your authentic self, Larissa, and then Anita.

I want to know what are the differences in your mind now as you've been, it seems like you've been aligning yourself. Like what are the differences now? Yes. So every time I do family constellations, I don't know if you know exactly how this process goes. Tell us. I know a little bit, but tell us, because you're good for everyone here.

So, it's like this. You get a therapist that is the professional. She opens a circle of energy. And then there's a lot of people there, right? They know nothing about your life, nothing about you're going there to treat. So, you just tell them, you decide the theme. So you can say, oh, I want to treat today.

I want to treat my anxiety or I want to treat depression or whatever. So I might give an example. There was this day I said, today I want to treat self-love. And then it comes for me, right? So, and if you go there and you want to cheat, whatever, these people, this 10 people that are there, they're going to get in their bodies, the energy of the people from your family that caused this trauma in your body in that precise moment. So let's say you have anxiety, and then you sit there and you say,

oh, I have anxiety. These people, one person is gonna receive your dad's energy. It's not that he's gonna receive the spirit because your dad is alive, your mom is alive, everyone is alive, but they get the energy and they start telling you where this moment of trauma was done, designed, like written. So let's suppose it's because when you were 10 years old,

your parents divorced and they were not together, they were fighting a lot. So they are gonna talk as if it wasn't that moment. And then the therapist will propose like a solution, which is like making peace with each other, understanding that's the best for your kid is to for you guys to understand the kid is half of each one. And then you get together and you're just one, right? And then you're good. So I did it many times. So with this constellation,

you understand the importance of valuing your dad and your mom or not buying the fight of choosing one side because you are 50% of each one of that. I'm 50% my dad, I'm 50% my mom. I cannot decide who wins the fight of their divorce because they are older, they are adults. I am just a kid that are not the responsible for that. And I need to understand and be grateful that they together did me. And if I choose a part,

I'm gonna be saying bye to 50% of myself. So I'm never gonna be happy. I need to be grateful. So that's basically what happens in the constellation. So when I do my constellation, it's not only one person that represents me, it's two. One person always comes with Anita's energy and that represents me, it's two. One person always comes with Anita's energy and the other with Larisa's energy. And Anita is very like a superhero.

Let's suppose if Larisa was like a kid insecure and afraid of being judged, afraid of not being loved. If she draws a superhero, that's Anita, the one that goes there. Talk to people. Nothing bad happens to me. I'm the best. I'm the greatest. I do whatever I want. And that's how it came to life.

And when I was becoming a singer, I put this character in real life. The problem is that I was working so much to fulfill my emptiness. And when I was working, I was Anita, that I started to believe I was just that and not value what I was as Larissa because I was insecure, a regular human that has regular feelings

that can be sad, that can be hurt, that can be all of that. So that was when my balance went like this. And it's bad. The other 50% cannot be, cannot feel like you're a shit show. It doesn't matter if you have another one that comes out and say, I am amazing.

The other 50% needs to believe that because the other 50% was the one that created this one. You know, for sure. It's the creature and the creator. Both are amazing. So I needed to accept and seek qualities in both of it. And Anita was just like this crazy girl, comes there. And also comes from a place of, I was assaulted when I was a teenager. And I had to speak about it because I was afraid of someone in Brazil that apparently

found out, I don't know how, and I didn't want my deep secret to be spread not by me, so I needed to talk about it. And after that happened when I was a teenager, I felt like if I was like this, no guy would have done that to me. So I created Anita from this moment of pain and sadness. Because of that, I cannot feel like Letty says less. I'm just a human that has the same insecurities and fears and... And the feeling like half of me had of Anita that, oh yeah, that's the only good thing.

That was making me really bad. And I also think that maybe that's why me as a character, Anita was just talking so much about sex, about, I do this. Sometimes I wasn't even doing shit. I wasn't even doing not even 10% of what I was saying, but I needed to carry the persona. The persona was really important. And that hurt me hurt my other side.

For how? Because we feel like, come on, that's not real. That's not real, why am I doing this? And sometimes that would push me away from relationships that I really wanted to have. And I just, and at the same time, this battle would never let me get interested in anybody. Because I was always feeling... It's like a subconscious thing.

I would always feel like, oh yeah, I'm gonna get hurt. So I would never be interested in anybody. Or I would be for three months and then I would be like, Eh, next. Next battle. next challenge. And that's not healthy. Yeah. You know, it's different.

Did you believe in right person, wrong time at the time? And now you have let that go. I believe in that. I believe that when things are supposed to happen, they're going to happen no matter when. It can be now, it can be later, it can come back. So I don't believe, I think that's more it. But I also believe that the things that society put in our head can mess up relations, all

types of relations for us. For example, I'm a singer, I'm successful, I have my money, etc. etc. If I decide tomorrow to date a regular guy that I met in a bar, at a bar, people will be like, oh, that's all she could get. Oh, my God, Anita? With this nobody? Ugh! If it's a man, a successful singer, rich guy, meeting a girl in the street that works in a store or works in a bar or whatever, they'd be like, so nice, you see? Oh my god, he met a girl who was a bartender. Oh my god, and he valued her so much. Oh, so nice. It's so sweet.

What a great man. But if it's a famous, successful, rich woman. Oh my god, that's all she could get? A bartender? Ugh. Sucks. Ugh, no real man valued her. Ugh.

It's kind of like you need a man on your level or more to decide if you're valuable or not. So I think with society and also like for a man, if you were with a woman more successful than you, they were like, oh my God, you see, the woman is so much more. And then it's not this guy's self-esteem. So I think it's a yin and yang situation that the society is not understanding that women can be yin or yang or, you know? Yeah. And I think that messes up with a lot of good opportunities of people getting

together because of society's statements. Yeah. I think that messes up with a lot of good opportunities of people getting together because of society's statements. Yeah. That's, I mean, that's a really, really interesting point. And I think there's so many versions of that. Like I've met people that are like, oh, well, I can't date that person because if I date someone outside of my community, then people will say, oh, he doesn't date people in our community. And, or vice versa.

And I feel like there's so many versions of that. And the gender breakdown you just shared, I think it sadly is true. And that's why we can't live up, try to live up to society's expectations. Exactly. 100%. Because we're always gonna give away, throw away amazing life opportunities.

Yes. I know someone was saying to me, they can't do a movie because people wouldn't want to see them with a certain person. And so people are giving up huge career opportunities for themselves because they're worried about what people will think or what people will say. And I mean, talking about that, you recently paid homage to native Brazilian religions in your new music video. Yeah.

And you know, which is deeply important to you and you have this, to native Brazilian religions in your new music video. Yeah. And you know, which is deeply important to you and you have this, I think, elegant way of balancing your beliefs and even today I think we can see what a spiritual individual you are, but not everyone was happy about that. I think it was like something like 200,000 people decided to not follow you anymore. Now it's 300,000. Now it's 300,000, right. Like walk me through why it was important to you to pay homage

to those traditions, why they were so important to you. And then how do you respond and react to the feeling of 300,000 people now you said? So I already knew that was gonna happen because people are very... The intolerance of people, of their beliefs and different beliefs is so, it's crazy, it's crazy. People don't accept, in my opinion, religions are, it's like veins that go to a heart.

They just are in different spots. That's beautiful. But they get to the same place, to be a better human, to evolve. That what religion is to me. And I believe in all of them. You can see, I go to the Shanti, Shaman, to the church with my mother,

and then my Yoruba religion. So my mom is very Catholic. My dad, my dad's family brings with him the Yoruba religion, right? That this religion comes from heritages of souls, right? This religion was originally in Africa. And when the slaves were kidnapped from their countries to be brought to America, South America, they of course had their beliefs and religions, but they were very bad punished if they were exercising their religions in Brazil or whatever. So they would kidnap the slaves, bring to Brazil, and tell them, now you're Catholic.

We don't care. And you cannot exercise your religion here. And if they did, punishment. Killing, not only punishment. In Brazil until nowadays, people get into the temples, terreiros, the temples of Yoruba to break and kill in the name of Jesus. So I honestly don't believe Jesus, I believe in Jesus so much and God, everything, but I don't believe Jesus would come to anybody. Such a bright soul would say,

if you see somebody doing that, kill this person. I can't. I don't believe in that. I think Jesus for me is forgiveness, is love, is understanding each other's moment and how moment and how the speed of each one to evolve, right? It's harder for ones, easier for others. It's faster for ones, for others it's not. I believe Jesus and all the angels and all the orishas, they're all ready when a soul asks for forgiveness and for help, I believe they're always ready to help. So I don't believe there is a God or Jesus that punishes somebody for not following their, their rule. I don't believe in that. And my religion believes in the forces of nature, Yoruba in Brazil is called candomblé. We believe in there are entities of different,

like the waterfall, the fire, the river, the forest, the rain, the sea. So that's what we believe. The sea, yemanja is from the sea. The fires, yansan, the waterfalls, the shum, the forest is oshasi. So we believe in these things and the nature energies. Because of the fact that a lot of people can impersonate or feel the energy in their bodies, they say it's the demon. But you can't just say things without going there and searching for real, getting close and understanding. Okay,

let me see what is this. And I feel like when I'm in my religion and I follow it since I'm a kid because of my dad, I never felt bad. I always felt like this peace and I can't believe a evil force can just make you feel like so connected to God and so good, you know? And avoiding things that are not good for you. You know, when we're there, we cannot drink alcohol. We cannot, you know, it's, it's clean. It's beautiful. We don't believe in the devil. We don't believe there is a devil.

There is a demon. We believe in humans that can get to a very, very low frequency, a very dark place where their souls, and then they can become evil and mean. So I don't want to pass the responsibility. I don't want to just say, oh, there is a devil and the devil is going to make me be mean. No, we're all humans and we have the choice. We have the dark side inside of us and we feel let it go. We're going to become that. We cannot get find another another person to blame. Oh no, I did that because the devil, no, you.

Let's take responsibility. You know, so I don't believe in my religion, we don't believe there is the demon and God. There is God, there is like beautiful light spirits, but there is like people, souls that can get to a dark place. And it's our responsibility to decide if we want to go there or if we want to go there. Not because we are scared of the law and the justice of a punishing God.

Because we want to be good. I want to be good because I want to feel good. I want to be a good person. Not because I'm scared if I die, oh my God, they're going to come and kill me. No, you know? Yeah, and it seems like that because you knew that you were simply trying to

share and express your values and your beliefs and your homage and you were already disconnected from the fact that people may have a negative viewpoint towards it. Yes, I actually did not care. Because I think whoever wants to follow... Nowadays I chose this. Whoever wants to follow me, follows me. If it's 10 people, if it's a million, amazing.

I will be happy with 10, I will be happy with a million. I don't care. But I just felt like in Brazil, it's so much prejudice. I feel like I like to speak up about a lot of things in my country. Not only my country, but whatever I feel like I have knowledge enough to speak of, I do it. Or I started studying and then after some months, years,

I'm gonna speak about it when I feel like I know enough. It has to be a reason why we get famous or we get recognized or we get people to follow us. We have to use it for something. I can't think like, okay, God gave me 65 million people to be looking at what I'm doing. And I'm just going to tell them, buy this, buy that, use this, use that, and make money and be rich. I can't. I feel like I need to give back good things for people to have the same tools that I

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Yeah, yeah. It's one of the things I've been thinking about lately is when you get into the top 1% of any industry or any place, you get a lot of 1% experiences. So some of those are these really tough experiences of lots of people disagreeing with you. Lots of people may not like what you're doing, the choices that you make. And then at the same time, which is what you happen, happened to you recently, you recently joined Madonna on a tour and did this most historic event of, I think, 1.6 million people.

Like, I think that's the largest ever audience at a concert. And it's almost like you go from having this experience of, you know, having hundreds of thousands of people unfollow you to then having these moments where you're a part of history. I mean, what did that feel like? What was that experience like? It was great. In Brazil, they do these concerts in Copacabana Beach.

I did once, but it was New Year's Eve, so it was five million people. Oh, okay, so you've done a bigger one. No, but it's because it was New Year's Eve, come on. Madonna was there, no, she was the event. It was her show. And she got a million and 600,000 people, it was crazy. But a lot of people in Brazil do that in New Year's Eve at the beach.

And it's amazing. But also her concert had a lot of conservatives saying like, oh my God, this is so, oh, the devil. Like she was a woman that abdicated her life to fight for people, for their sexualities, for the LGBTQ community, for women to be free to feel pleasure. Because just men could feel pleasure. And she fought for that. And you have to be really brave to face.

And in that time, when she started, it was crazy. Cops coming to her concert and all the things that she faced to... Because she knew she was bringing acceptance to people that wanted to come out, that wanted to be proud of being gay, that wanted to be proud of being lesbian, of feeling pleasure as a woman. So to me that was really important. That was a woman celebrating like with a million gays,

a million and something gays at a beach that they were free to be gays. That was amazing. You know, not only gays, but I mean, That was amazing. You know, not only gays, but I mean, families accepting gays, lesbians, trans. It was so important. But a lot of conservatives were like, oh, this is the devil. This is this, this is that. And I just feel like we have the choice of doing whatever we want and we don't need to judge our, we're not judges of

anything before judging another person we gotta see our own situations so I just don't feel if you don't want to do it you can just go do your thing and let people do what they want. You know, we're not judges here. We're all souls looking for evolution. And that was, I was so happy that she invited me. I also fight for so many things that I believe in my country, you know, and I try to help as much as I can. Nowadays mostly indigenous and the indigenous causes because the way politicians are killing the Amazon, it's crazy. The way they're just not giving a damn to the Amazon, to the environment. It's insane.

So I like to fight for that because nature has no voice. Indigenous are not on social media. They're not influencers. They are there, there are very good influencers, but still don't have voices that have indigenous origins. So I like to do my best. And I was just so happy to be there. I was so happy that she invited me. How did she invite you?

How did she reach out? How did that come about? We had a song together on her album some years ago, a funk song on her album. And then when she came to Brazil, the first thing she said, okay, we got to do this. And I actually couldn't, and then I was like moving so many things around so I could be there. It was so important.

And she also invited Pablo Vittar, which is a drag queen, very good, great singer of Brazil, very successful, famous drag queen of Brazil. That's amazing. I mean, you know, Anita, when I'm speaking to you today, and I think when you look at someone like yourself, it's very easy to forget the challenges and the hardships that someone's had on the way up, you know, when you see someone successful, I think a lot of the time we, even if we's had on the way up. You know, when you see someone successful, I think a lot of the time we... Even if we knew them on the way up, we start believing people were an overnight success.

And that's when you were saying earlier that, you know, then we start to write people off, we find the next person, whatever. But you've talked a lot about, you know, even like looking at it from a forward-thinking perspective, you talked about just challenges you had with your record label and then finding the right label. Like, could you walk us through some of the key challenges you've had in even breaking out? Because I think the odds of someone like yourself from the fellas who does this is so rare and

difficult and you know, I mean, I don't know what the odds are, but I'm guessing it's like, you know, I mean, I don't know what the odds are, but I'm guessing it's like, you know, one in whatever. Walk us through some of those key challenges that you think you've had to break through on the way up, not now, but the ones that you've had on that journey. And maybe the record label one is a good one to start with. I think, no, I think the first one was in my country because I come from the favelas, from the ghetto, from the communities. And the rhythm that we do there, it's funk, which would be like the hip hop in the 90s

here in the US, people getting arrested for doing it, people suffering a lot of prejudice. So that was the first one that I was like, wow, people don't want me in restaurants, people don't want me in magazines, people don't want me anywhere. They think I'm the shit show because I come from this environment, you know, from this, that's my origin. So that was like the first one for me to fight against that. And just like, I couldn't even like find a management. I was my own manager for so many years, you know? I just... I would be the one going to the brands,

trying to convince them to support me, or to the radios, to negotiate my songs. Yeah. For them to even play it. Yes. Me and my brother. To negotiate like concerts and everything like that. It was just me and my brother for so many years.

And then after that, I think like coming out and convincing label, coming out of Brazil, convincing label team, everybody that this could be something, you know, because the last time we had a successful artist was 50 years ago with Tom Jobim We had a successful artist was 50 years ago with Tom Jobim, with a girl from Ipanema and Vinicius de Moraes. And a woman, it was in the 40s with Carmen Miranda. So they were like, no, that doesn't happen. Brazilians?

No. Because when you say like a Latin singer, Brazil is a Latin country, but we speak Portuguese. So it's very different. There is another barrier because we speak Portuguese, not Spanish. So the songs that go on in a Spanish market don't happen in Brazil. Whatever happens in Brazil don't happen in a Spanish market. So for me to convince the label or the team, my own team, my own brother, that this would work was really hard. He was like, wow, you'd finally, when we broke the prejudice here, you want to go to another

thing we didn't even take time to rest. But again, my, my emptiness was like, no, we're going to get it. We're going to conquer the world. And I just wanted to, I like to try new things. I like to challenge myself. You know, I get bored very easily, you know, not only of men, now it's going to finish for God's sake. And I was like, that's changing. Thanks to Jesus.

Thanks to the spiritual journey. There's also it, right? Because people think women, when a woman doesn't have a relationship for many years, because a man didn't want it. No, baby, it's because I didn't want it. Let's see what happens from now on. But it was a big challenge. And my brother was always like,

oh my God, okay, let's go. He would go just to be with me, to protect me. But nobody else, they would just be like, I am not going with this girl, she is crazy. And I would put my own money. I would just do, just from what I believe and go for it. I just think the difference was that before

I was very anxious and pressured and nervous about it and always like with this feeling of like, no, I need to get it, I need to get it. And nowadays I'm like, it's okay, whatever happens happens. But this was a big one. And now with, and, it's okay, whatever happens happens. But this was a big one. And now with, and then, and then it's funny because when I started to like bring people from a Spanish market to Brazil and then come out with my stuff to outside and things started

to go right and go well, then everyone wants to figure out how to do it. Everyone wants to do it too. And I'm like, okay. And until nowadays, like, my album was, it's not an easy album to put out. It's a funk, a Brazilian funk album. People don't do Brazilian funk. There is no playlist to add my songs

because it's not in Portuguese. So the Brazilian funk playlists, it's not in Portuguese. Here outside, there's no playlist of funk in English. In Spanish, neither. You're inventing it though. I'm basically doing like something. Let's see if everyone joins this crazy thing. Let's see what happens.

The only reason I could put this album out now, it's because I was super sick. I thought I was going to die, remember? Let's see what happens. The only reason I could put this album out now is because I was super sick. I thought I was going to die, remember? And I was like, you know what? I'm going to... Because I've been trying to do this album for so long, but everyone was always like, no, it's a fail.

This album has no place to put. And you see the... Okay, this is country, this is pop this is pop this is your album there's nothing where is it gonna be it's just gonna hang around and it took me a very like spiritual place of detachment to be like okay i'm gonna put out whatever happens happens so i was sick i thought i was gonna die i was like i'm just gonna do an album I like, an album that I would do if I didn't care about any of these things, because I'm dying, so whatever.

So I did this album exactly like that. And it just got better, it got better, I didn't die, and the album was out. And it's funny because it still has a lot of challenges with this album because it doesn't have a place to sit. But I honestly don't care. I'm so proud. I love the album. I can't stop listening to it. And most of my albums I would do to try to get streams

and I wouldn't listen to it. But this, I'm so proud of it. I don't like touring because it's so, for me, it's such a struggle to be flying from place to place with no home, being in hotels. I carry a bag just of like cleansing to the hotels. I get there, have a sage, have candles. I put mantras in the rooms very loud and be like,

ooh, clean this, Jesus come clean this bedroom, please this bed, so I put sprays. But for me, it's like a big pressure to be flying from city to city. I called all my priests and shamans and I was like, help me in this tour because now I love this album so much and I'm like, I want to do a tour because I like dancing to this album, I like singing it. Let's go. So we're doing it. And tonight is my second, my third concert from the tour. And I'm doing good, but I told them, help me here, because I need all this spiritual connection for me to not go crazy,

because it's a lot of hotels jumping from place to place, you know? It's not healthy mentally. It's important that the routine and to have like grounding. Absolutely. Encore, it's important. So for me, I'm like, okay, I need support, spiritual support. But I love this album so much that I was like, I'm going to do it because I have so much fun on stage doing it.

If I'm singing for 2000 people, 3000 people or 40 or 50, it's the same. I just feel really happy. I know you talked about the challenge of changing record labels and you talked about this pain point of just like... I think at one point you said like you would literally give all your organs away if, you know, if you could get out of it. Walk us through those kind of decisions because I feel like if you're not in the music industry, we don't actually understand what's controlling what and how things interlink.

And we don't know what artists are going through. So from that perspective, if you could tell us about that transition. So about record label, I just think... I do think nowadays that I wasn't that mature on the way I did it, but maybe if I didn't do that way, I wasn't be in the position that I am right now. So we would never know it is what it is. I will never be like, oh my God,

I'd never regret things. Cause I think things happen for a reason. It's just, I really think the way things happen in business should change a little bit, you know? Because when we are chasing something, we don't know what's there, right? So we just, we go through deals and situations not knowing what's the reality when we get there. And that's a very tricky point because if I'm on this side and I know what's the reality, why would I do something to a person that I know is going to be there and it's going to be different? So I just think business in general, not only labels, but yes, labels too.

The investments, the things, I don't know if it's because I'm more of a business person than just the artist. I don't feel like I have the perfect voice or the best dance or I think I have a little bit of everything and then I get there. It's a combo. I just think the investments and the things should be more clear so we understand why they do some type of things and why you should do some type of things. But sometimes in all the business, all the industry, and then it's not only about record labels. People come here and they say, yeah, yeah, let's do it. And they leave and they're like, forget it. And this should not be like that. Things should be, and for me, things are very,

I like real stuff, real talk. You sit down with me, I will tell you the problem is... Pa pa pa pa pa ra ra ra. And I expect you to say, okay, so the problem here is... Da da da da da da da da da da da da. And I'll be like, okay, how we get this sorted? We do this, we do that. Cool, cool, we both do it. But sometimes, most of the times, it's not.

I sit and I'm never going to change. So I just sit down and I'm like, here's the problem. That doesn't mean I don't like you. That doesn't mean you're not a good person. That means we have this problem. And nowadays me and my brother, we work together for so many years. So when we have issues in a company, we have a company together, we have crazy fights. Let's go to the movies, let's and we go because we love each other. We can discuss, whatever I

said is what's gonna happen, whatever he said is what's gonna happen, boom. And we have the ability of still looking each other's face and be like, I appreciate, I love you, let's go do whatever. But people have a very hard time on doing that and I don't, I will never understand why, but that's how things work. They just talk here, I talk my real shit, they talk whatever is necessary for you to shut up. And then you go home and you see that it worked for nothing. For no reason you spent two hours of your life that you could have been sleeping,

taking a nap, literally. And then people have this, but I think it's in all industries. I don't think it's only in record labels. I don't think it's only in record labels. I don't think it's only in music. I think it's everywhere. People when work have a very hard time on sitting down and being like, the problem for you is this, for me is this. Let's do this. Yeah.

And then do what they actually agreed it. It's so for me, it's, I don't know, maybe I would never get to understand the way business run. That's why I go slow and then, you know, with my hard times, but I go. That's brilliant. I love hearing that. And I can see just, I want everyone who's listening, if you're not watching, when I'm sitting with you, it's so resonant to me

that it's such a peaceful place with that. And what I think is really beautiful and special, I was in Bhutan recently this year, and Bhutan's known for measuring gross national happiness, not GDP, so they measure happiness there, and they have spiritual tradition and culture. And where is that? It's landlocked between India and China.

So it's a tiny country. But they have this incredible heart of spirituality that runs through everything they do. And the King famously said they measure GNH, gross national happiness. So I was visiting there this year and I met a filmmaker there. His name was Pau. Very wonderful gentleman, very, very talented. And he, with a very small budget for a movie,

made a movie that got Oscar nominated, but Bhutan wasn't even on the list of countries to have an Oscar nomination. But because of him now, the movie got, you know, the Bhutan is now on the list. And I often think about that with cultures, traditions, genres that we don't know about yet. That there aren't a Grammy award for that.

There aren't, you know, like you're saying, like there isn't a place for Brazilian funk. Like what playlist does that go on? But I think that's what the world is looking for right now, this opportunity to be introduced. I'm always looking for discovering new, I was talking about records. I really got into collecting records and I was traveling and I really got into Brazilian jazz lately. And I never knew about Brazilian jazz growing up. And if it wasn't for the ability to bump into something.

And so I actually think what you're doing for music, for the audio library, for people to have these experiences is really cool and powerful. Because just like Pau, who's trying to tell the story of Bhutan, that like you asked, where is that? A lot of people don't know where Bhutan is and they don't know what it is. But because of Pau now, they can watch his movies

and understand Bhutan. And similarly with you, someone who may not know about Brazilian funk is now going to have the opportunity to understand what that is and what that feels like. And you think about that, like someone had to be first, whether it was hip-hop, whether it was... And it's always going to be harder for the first. It's always harder.

It's always going to be harder for the first. I know that. And even nowadays with funk in Brazil, it was not playing in the radios. It was not the events couldn't play funk. It was very hard. It could only listen to it in the favelas inside of the communities. So it was a big, big fight. Nowadays people forget it.

But at that time, me and my brother that we worked hard for it to happen, we remember very well because we know the struggle. But I actually used to care a lot if people remembered or not. Nowadays, I just don't care. I just want to have a good time. I just want to be happy. Because before I was doing it, but I wanted the credibility of people saying that I was the one who did it.

And that there was a time my therapist, which is my Shaman, she said, so why are you doing? I was like, oh, because, you know, I want to change people's lives. And she was like, oh, so why do you care if people acknowledge that if it was you or not? If they change the life, that's it. That's what you wanted. And then I was thinking, I was like, what if ego tripped that I was, right? Cause I was saying it was for the people,

but I was very worried with the people, if the people were saying it was me. So in the end of the day, if it's for the people, we should not care if people are acknowledging or not, if it was you or not. So right now I'm in this place of like, and I think that's what it would take for me to be in this spiritual place of like, to do this album or to do whatever I want to do, to be in a place of like, not care about the response, just do what makes me happy at the

moment, you know? And I'm like very much like that now. And I understand that could be less successful, maybe not number one, maybe not number 50, but I couldn't care less because inside, I feel way better than when I was number one. So much happier. I'm so happy for you, Ania. I feel that for you.

That's brilliant. No, what a beautiful place to be in. Yes. Anita, you have been a joy to talk to, honestly. Thank you. I've enjoyed so much sharing energy with you, exchanging energy with you. Me too. I feel uplifted, inspired, I feel connected.

And I think everyone who's listening and watching will have felt that from your presence and your words. And you know, the wisdom that you shared as well, I think, you've mentioned in your own words so many times, I think you've been underestimated. People only perceive someone for the character they play or from one dimension. And my genuine hope and intention is that this interview will just showcase the multifaceted, multidimensional individual that you are.

I love the way you're able to be playful and profound all at the same time. Yeah, I think people... That's what I want from people now in my life and my career. I want people to understand that we need to find a balance. We are in the material world, so we cannot be just spiritual. We need to eat, we need to, you know, we need to work so we can have a house to live in. So we just need to find the balance. So I do make music to shake your ass, to have fun, to jump, let's have sex, da da da. But it's

also important to come back and have the other side too. So we can never be happy if we only go into one side, the other side is always gonna feel like, oh wait it didn't look at me. We need to have the balance, the perfect balance. That's why we are in a material world, to understand that the balance in between these two things, to be able to walk around here and not let these things make you feel like heavy and life is only material. Or just not only walk around here and forget the other side exists, you know? We're here in the middle and that's the most important thing to be in the middle. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well said.

We end every on purpose interview with a final five. So these questions have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum. Okay. And so, these are your final five, Anita. Question number one, what is the best advice you've ever heard or received? I think it's that I'm in control. I commend. What people do, they commend. How you react and receive, you commend.

Well said. What is the worst advice you've ever heard or received? Oh, never give up. Oh, I hate this. Never give up. It's okay to give up. Oh my God, it's so okay to give up. If you're struggling, give up. Take a nap, rest, do something, then you come back when you're fine. Well said. Alright, question number three. What's the first thing you do in the morning and the last thing you do every night?

Oh, it's the same. I have this book, five minutes a day. I wake up, I write what are three things I want for the day. So I think three things I'm grateful for and affirmations. At night, same page. How three things that was amazing in a day and what I learned today. I love that. Question number four, what's something you've learned recently?

I learned this very important thing. When a person don't ask you for help, don't help. If the person asks, you help. Don't help someone that didn't ask for the help. If she didn't ask, she doesn't want or he. Yeah, it's unsolicited sometimes. We're trying to fix everyone. Yeah, because we are buying someone's struggle

and this person can feel offended. This for the energy and the family constellation, we learn that when you help a person that is not asking for your help, it's like you're buying this karma, you know? Yeah. I'm gonna go off piece slightly because you inspired a question in me.

How has spirituality changed your view of dating and relationships, romantic relationships? I feel like it's like a dance nowadays. Before, I used to feel like relationships was what I was reading outside, seeing outside from others. And nowadays, spirituality taught me that the relationship that you have with yourself is going to be the mirror for the relationship that you have with the other. So nowadays I work at myself a lot so I can have a relationship with somebody. And when I find somebody that is not having

a good relationship with himself, it doesn't, I understand, I already know that it's not gonna work and I don't insist. I let the person know I am here, I'm working on myself and you're here for us to have a good, healthy, soft, easy, nice thing and grow together inside. If no, then it's not, you know? But I used to think of relationship on a very different way, very different way. That person needed to add me

and all the things that people outside ask. Oh, what does he do? Da da da, does he do that? How is the family? What if you have kids? Nowadays I just see inside, do you treat yourself very well? If yes, then let's go, because you treat yourself very well? If yes, then let's go.

Cause I treat myself very well too. I love that. A fifth and final question. We asked this to every guest who's ever been on the show. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be? I would create a limit of money that each person can have. Wow. That's it.

That's what you can have. Now, the more you have, you're going to pass to the nature. You don't need to pass. I understand the money comes for those who work out, work hard, put an effort, but after some here, you don't need more. No one needs that much. You need to share. If you want to build a school, cool.

If you want to protect the Amazon, cool. If you want whatever, no one, cool. If you want, whatever, no one needs, I'm talking about necessity. No one needs billions. Billions? No, nobody needs the necessity. It's not, it's not there. Anita, phenomenal answer.

Fantastic interview. Thank you so much. It has been such a joy. It's been wonderful being with you. I hope that everyone who's been listening or watching, let me and Anita know what resonated with you. I know you guys cut up the best clips for TikTok and Instagram and make sure you tag both of us so that we can see what stayed with you,

what connected with you, what meant something to you. I'm sure that there were so many insights and so many points of wisdom that Anita shared today that have left a mark on you And I can't wait to see what has stayed with you Anita. Thank you so much again It was such a pleasure. It was such a joy. I'm so grateful and Yeah, thank you for sharing this time with me. Thank you. Thank you If this is the year that you're trying to get creative you're trying to build more I need you to listen to this episode with Rick Rubin on how to break into your most creative

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