On Purpose with Jay Shetty - Big Sean ON: Why Self-Care Isn't Selfish & How to Find Balance in Any Relationship

Episode Date: March 28, 2022

You can order my new book 8 RULES OF LOVE at 8rulesoflove.com or at a retail store near you. You can also get the chance to see me live on my first ever world tour. This is a 90 minute interactive show where I will take you on a journey of finding, keeping and even letting go of love. Head to jayshettytour.com and find out if I'll be in a city near you. Thank you so much for all your support - I hope to see you soon.Jay Shetty sits down with Big Sean to talk about personal growth and dealing with relationships. In order to be of service to others, we all need to take care of our needs first. This is why self-care is something you owe to yourself, it is something you deserve in any way, shape, and form. And when you master self-care, you become better at handling your emotions, you get more invested in your relationships, and you become more aware of the things that truly make you fulfilled and happy.Big Sean is a popular American rapper. He has won several awards including the ‘MTV Music Awards’, and ‘BET Awards’ over the course of his career. He cites stars like Eminem and Kanye West as his inspirations and has released a total of four music albums till date. Big Sean, in collaboration with rapper and producer Hit-Boy released an EP entitled What You Expect in October 2021.Want to be a Jay Shetty Certified Life Coach? Get the Digital Guide and Workbook from Jay Shetty https://jayshettypurpose.com/fb-getting-started-as-a-life-coach-podcast/Do you want to meditate daily with me? Go to go.calm.com/onpurpose to get 40% off a Calm Premium Membership. Experience the Daily Jay. Only on CalmWhat We Discuss:00:00 Intro04:57 Most of the external things start internally13:24 Be open to other possibilities and options16:35 How often do you practice gratitude?25:29 Self care is the opposite of being selfish32:10 A shift in mindset can totally change our perspective40:06 When you’re rich even without money44:45 Approach everything with happiness within you52:00 We don’t give ourselves permission for things we don't deserve53:13 You have to listen to yourself56:50 How can you serve others?01:00:25 Clear the blockages within you01:06:00 Balancing the distance in your relationship01:15:41 Find someone who you can exchange the same energy with01:23:09 Don’t give up on yourselfEpisode ResourcesBig Sean | InstagramBig Sean | TwitterBig Sean | YouTubeBig Sean | FacebookBig Sean | WebsiteDon LifeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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to you because I don't think we've had an episode that has had more requests for a part two than today's guest and that is not an understatement. This is the most requested part two that we've ever had on on purpose in the last three years. And the guest is none other than my dear friend, someone that I met for the first time on the podcast last time. Not only did that couple of hours create a deep, lasting friendship since, it's created this desire to serve together, to have a brotherhood together, to create impact together. It's not another, then my dear friend incredibly talented. Someone who needs no professional introduction. Big Sean, people have been waiting,

crying, asking for this. Yeah. And you've been so generous and kind. We've been talking about this ever since we did the first episode. Yeah, we needed to do part two. It's been like on our, it's been on our to-do list, you know? Absolutely, and we're doing it. And I just wanna let people know, like off screen, like, you know, I knew you

were deep before you came to the show last time. I knew that you were a deep thinker. You worked on yourself. You have this incredible relationship with your mom who's influenced you so deeply. But I didn't realize just how much of a brotherhood we were going to have. Right. And what a connection we were going to have. Right, right. And I didn't realize how much people

were gonna love seeing us together when I saw the response and you voted too, right? Yeah, of course. I felt it like the people who are into me that were just, you know, blown, like the interview, the whole interview, it's the only interview that I've been out in public and people like, yo, I saw the J Shady interview.

Like, I saw, I heard the interview. I saw the podcast, like literally every other time I go somewhere, you know, somebody approaches me like that. So the impact is unbelievable, you know, that's what we do it for, right? And since I came and linked up with you, we've had dinner at your house and leave me, you, Janay, your wife, we all just been like kicking and so it's cool to deliver part two.

I feel like it's needed and necessary, you know. Yeah, and part two means there'll be a part three and a part four, so we can go and say no limit, but yeah, I wanna thank you for just, you know, saying that because even your community that I got to connect with because of the show. Yeah, for sure. Your fans and your audience are incredible.

Like, I just saw this whole new group of people connect with my work because of you through you. Yeah, and I was just like, I didn't realize that all these people would care about the things I'm talking about. And so, I wanna thank you, I wanna thank your community, I wanna thank your audience who just showed me so much love, who they may not have even known who I was,

but thanks to you, they're on a mission. They're on a mission to be better, you know? Yeah. They're on a mission to work on themselves, and the whole world is going through so much right now. It's crazy, you know? So that's one of the things I've been focusing on. I've just been like really focusing on

mastering myself more, still putting time into myself, just trying to be the silence and still in amongst the noise in the chaos. And then when things are still in stagnant, to know when it's time to move, really trying to find that balance. It's like the yin and the yang and how there's a little dot of each

in the parts of the yin and yang is like, that's what my life is trying to be like trying to be the stillness in the chaos and the movement and trying to be the movement in the stagnation of things. You know, I love that. Trying to be the stillness in the movement and trying to be the movement in the stillness. And are you saying external or internal? Like how are you learning to watch that? Well, it's both, right?

So it's like the external and the internal are so connected, right? So I just have been realizing that it, most of the things that are external start internally, right? So that's what I use, it starts with internal. That's why I start my day with meditation, you know? And the fact that we went through so many meditations last time we met up, man, I was so helpful

because I learned, I meditate every morning. And I like to ask you, like, what does meditation do for you? Like, when you do it, like, what does it do for you? There's, there's, as we did last time. So I'm trying to figure out which ones everyone's going to see first, but either way, big shorn and I did a brilliant man's health collab to talk about the power of wellness and meditation Right. It was historic because of the first time men's health are doing a train like me, but based on meditation Yeah, yeah, it's always been physical right so me and you guys

Cool, man. It's so cool. We did it together. It's awesome And so I love that and you know, we worked on that together and I have three different types of meditation So one type of meditation breath work is for my body. Yeah, so if I'm feeling like my body is tired I'm feeling like my body needs energy or my body needs to relax. I practice breath work. Yeah I then do visualization so if I'm going into a scenario that causes me anxiety or fear, I will visualize not the perfect outcome But the perfect process. So I'll visualize myself doing that process. So for example if I'm about to speak on stage Yeah, two thousands of people. I won't visualize people clapping and thinking you're amazing. I'll visualize myself walking up those steps onto stage, walking back and forth on stage, looking at the audience in their eyes,

connecting with them. Connecting with people and their hearts and souls. So I'll visualize that. It's important. It's so important. And then the third type of meditation I do is mantra. And mantra to me is what connects me to the universe, connects me to God, connects me to my soul.

It's what connects me to my service to the world. And so mantra is my third. So I practice all three every morning. And each of them give me a different practice and different benefit that I need it for. If that makes sense. It makes total sense. I change my meditations up frequently from I do mantra meditation sometimes and sometimes I do. Just guided meditations that are specifically for me,

maybe for that week, things I'm really like, not necessarily trying to accomplish but things that I put in my consciousness, things that I want to approach right. But more importantly, it just gets me right for the day, man. It's like, like I said, it's like taking a shower like after you work out and you take that shower and you feel refreshed. Like that's what it does for my consciousness, my energy and things just flow better.

You know what I'm saying? I feel like I'm literally lifting my vibration up to a higher place of like just to be successful. You know what I mean? And it all starts right there for me. You can't do it in a right or wrong way. There's no there is no right or wrong in doing it. The fact you take the time out to just be with yourself to breathe. Your mind is going to race all over the place sometimes. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it does. You bring it back to your breath. You bring it back to

maybe whatever you're listening to and just the fact that you take that time out to breathe and to spin that time on yourself you're gonna feel an incredible difference every time. It's like a menu Yeah, in the sense of when you go to eat at a restaurant you don't want to eat the same thing every day Right, so one day you're feeling like I need a little bit of this one day. You need a little bit of that And so I think we have to look at meditation. It's like, okay, well, maybe I need to do an anxiety meditation today. Yeah. Or maybe I need to do a connection or a forgiveness meditation today. Yeah. Or an empathy. And I think we're living at a time right now where you can choose whether you're on YouTube or Spotify or wherever you are.

Janay has some phenomenal meditation. Yeah. Mantras., yes. Munchers and meditations. Yeah, we actually just did one where we I led a meditation and she was sound healing at the same time. It was like an experience. I haven't seen that. I know. It was our first time doing it, so we were trying it out, but it's something that we wanted to just test out

and try and people really enjoyed it and benefited from it. But it's so many different ways of getting that energy out there, like that, right? So yeah, there is no right or wrong way to do it. It's just, you know, I realized that it's the richest thing you could do for yourself. You know what I mean?

And when I say that word rich, I don't just mean in like money, right? Because you could be rich in a lot of ways. And I've experienced people who are rich in money and still broke in a lot of ways, broke me and broken, right? But to me, the richest thing you could do for yourself is to not only just make yourself a priority,

but to take that time out to be in the best position you can be in, right? And to not be so caught up on what you want, just to kind of put the attention out there because when you're so caught up on what you want, it's so specific onto something, right? It's like, I want this new blue mug. I want this new blue mug, but at the same time, you're holding that vision of that new blue mug, it could be a green mug, a yellow mug, a gold mug that's sitting there waiting for you. That's just as good or even better than this mug But you are you're closing out all those possibilities. So it's important to

You know one of the things I do is I don't get so specific with my meditations. I just kind of say For the greater for whatever is best for me or what's the greatest, you know, for my happiness, for my joy, because that's where the real richness is, you know what I'm saying? We've seen people who have auto money in the world who have committed suicide, right? Or, you know, Lee, singers, or groups, you know, we talk about Shester, you know, we talk about Anthony Bourdain, all these different people who, you know, from the outside looking, and then you would never guess, you know what I mean? That they're going through something, and everybody is going through something. You know, that's important as a society

that remember everybody is going through something. We talk like we don't care what people are going through or like, you know, they're not going through something. Everyone's going through something really, really important right now. That's really, it could be really, really hard. And even if they show it or not, and I think that when you take the time to create a rich life for yourself, that is the best thing you could do because when you take time to work on your internal, your external, it kind of takes

the focus off trying to, trying to worry or have anxiety about the things you can't change and Realizing that the things you can't change can't change you You know, so you get to that you get to that that that point of Being able to go through anything. It's like having armor on you know You're going through the storm or having like layers on it's like they can't even get to you for real every time Hey, you talk. I shouldn't be surprised that you just constantly drop bars because that is what you do but literally they were like they're like seven things you just said that I want to like piece apart.

Yeah. One of the things that I think you just mentioned which was so powerful was just you were like I don't I don't get specific. Yeah. And I love that. I think that's actually such a fascinating thing because I think so much of what we're told today's be specific about what you want be really specific about it And the challenge is when you get too specific into that extreme

Then you can't see what's right there in front of you that could be better It could be a different way and I've always thought of it as like you have a projector screen in your head Which is your imagination of what it should look like right and then you have a projector screen in your head, which is your imagination of what it should look like. Right. And then you have reality happening here. And you keep looking for this projection. Yeah. And you miss out, like you said, on the thing that's right there.

And so I love the idea of not being specific because it releases you from your own insignificant goal. Yeah, it does. Right. It releases you. If I got everything I ever asked for, I wouldn't be here today. No. Because my goals were way too small.

My ideas were way too small. Yeah. And the universe and God and energy had way bigger plans for me than I had for myself. I actually saw the interview you did with Lauren Linden and she was talking about surrendering to the universe you do. You have to surrender and you have to realize that,

yeah, okay, and if you are specific, well then just always make sure in that specification that you put and more or and I'm open to whatever possibilities are also available or whatever options there are. If you are specific because we can be specific somewhat, but you can't just be too specific and leave it there like you were talking about.

You could say, hey, I wanna have the number one podcast for that talks about mental health and all these things, right, but this specification of that, it's even bigger than that. You know what I mean? You're sure everything you do's even bigger than that. You know what I mean? You're showing everything you do, it's way bigger than that. And it's, but you're open to all of those expansive options.

So I just hope people realize that whatever you want in life, first of all, wanting something is acknowledging the lack of it. So remember in our last interview, I talked about God gives you what you asked for. So you have to really understand that it's, you know, I kind of don't say I want anything anymore. I don't say that anymore. I say I desire or my intention,

you know, I don't say I want it because I'm just acknowledging over and over that I don't have it. And I don't want to mess that vibration I'm not having it anymore. So instead it's, you know, this is my intention, my desire and I put myself vibrationally on that frequency I've already having it, already being there.

And that for me works, you know, I don't know if that's works for everyone else, but you know, try it. If life isn't going exactly how you wanted to go, which is 99% of us in this world, try it that way. That's powerful for me that hit right there, because I've heard people talk about what want means before, but the way you explained it,

when you want something, it often can remove gratitude. And that doesn't stop you from desiring. And that's what I love what you said. You say, I desire, I intend or my intention is, it's not that you don't want to pursue or grow or evolve. It's just that the word want, as you correctly said, makes it feel like almost a sense of ingratitude for what you have.

That's right. And the lack of it starts eating away where your chasing now versus pursuing. I think of the difference between the word chase and pursue. It's a difference. Chase feels desperate. It feels like fleeting.

It feels like if I don't have it, I'm incomplete. Yeah, like I want this. Yeah. I'm chasing this. It's like, okay, I get that. And especially in the industries we're in, it's great to have that hunger. You know, it is good to have that,

but it's never cool to just be desperate. It's kind of like just always realize those small things can make a big difference, especially when you're manifesting something. Yeah, I think that's great advice on manifestation. I think that's really powerful. And I liked what you said about... I like what you said about gratitude, though.

Yeah. Tell me how important that is to you. Like, how do you often do you practice like gratitude? Because I wake up every morning and I'm like, thank you, man. Thank you, guys. Like, well, I'm still half asleep, you know what I mean? Because, bro, like, we're on the blessed side of the spectrum,

just the fact that we get to wake up. Yeah, I think gratitude is a daily, multiple times a day practice for absolutely everything. I was saying earlier today to someone that if something went wrong today, I would tell everyone about it. But if something went right today, probably wouldn't tell anyone about it. But if something went right today, probably wouldn't tell anyone about it.

Right? Like so if everything in my schedule went to plan, no one would hear about it. But if everything in my schedule went not to plan, I would tell everyone, oh my gosh, my flight got delayed. And then I like missed eating my lunch, and then I was late for this, and I would tell everyone about it.

And what does that mean? Yeah, what does that mean? And it means that we are Yeah, what does that mean? It means that we are not noticing the greatness and the gifts in our life. When everything goes to plan and we don't share that, you never go to someone, I was amazing, everything went to plan. Like you wouldn't say, oh, my flight was on time. That's amazing.

We expect, we expect things to happen well. And when you expect something to happen well, you stop feeling gratitude for it. You stop feeling like, well, actually, I'm really fortunate that this happened on time. Yeah, and it makes it more pleasurable, right? Absolutely. When you got that gratitude,

and you feel just better about it, like, yeah, man. Yeah, and I think also gratitude for everything from the smallest things, like to me, something I practice with my wife that's, it came naturally and now I see it being beneficial, but if she's like helping me out with something or she does the tiniest thing, being able to be grateful for that,

rather than thinking, oh, will you, my wife, I expect you to do that. Right. I just think the word expectation and the idea of expectations create a really unhealthy relationship with ourselves and with others. Right? Yeah, certain expectations.

That's like the recipe for disaster right there. It's like, you know, you got to just, first of all, the gratitude and letting somebody know that they're, that's why every, every, almost, I think every night, at least that I can remember, every night that I work, when I'm in a studio, I work with people, I always tell my engineer like, man, you did a great job. I love it. You know, you could just see that they're wanting to keep doing

a great job. Everyone who works with me, like, you, man, you're doing a great job, like, and not from just like, my managers and everything down to my assistant to every person who's involved in in my life to my family members, my friends, I'll be like, I mean, you doing a great job, I keep it up and it's just is great to, and I mean it too. I'm not just saying it. Yeah, it's not a saying. I mean it.

If I didn't think they were doing a great job, I wouldn't say that. You know, I would just be like, do better. But when they do a great job, you have to recognize that and not set yourself up for expectations because that's a recipe for disaster, man. It's like expecting anything out of life, you know, even expecting to wake up. It's like, you can't even expect that. That doesn't happen to everyone. You know, so that's one of the, when I read the book, The Four Agreements and that's one

of them. I think one of them was to I read the book, the four agreements and that's one of them. I think one of them was to not have expectations or something like that. Yeah, yeah. I feel like also what you just said, whatever you recognize in someone, they'll repeat it. And it took me a long time to realize that if I make someone feel bad for something they don't do well, they actually get scared to try and do it right.

If you make someone feel guilty for something, they actually get more scared. So I used to do this, my wife's the best example where I got this wrong for a long time. When my wife didn't understand how to, what I wanted for my birthday or something like that. And I would feel this is years ago when we were dating. I don't know, maybe like eight years ago or something. Okay. And I would tell her, like, you don't get me, like, you don't understand me. Like, that's not

what I wanted. And I realized, that's harsh, man. Oh, I'm so bad, man. So bad. But I always thought that if I said that, then hopefully she would change and she would get it about how serious it is Yeah, and then she told me years later that that just made her more scared and fearful To try and get me a gift on my birthday. Wow because she just felt she got it wrong all the time Mm-hmm, and so we think that if we keep telling people they're getting it wrong, then they'll get it right No, that doesn't work. If you don't take the time to explain and to explain. Communication, right?

Communication, right? And articulate what you really are looking for and why and where that comes from. If you don't do that work, you can't expect someone to read your mind and understand you. No, you can't. We expect that so much from our partners, right? And everyone. And everyone.

And everyone. And everyone. And everyone. We get attitudes attitudes with them and it's just like, like you said, they don't know where you're going through. You don't know what they're going through. And on top of that, we're all just doing our best out here, man. If you honestly ask me, that's usually my answer for almost like, how have you been doing?

It's like, I'm doing my best. And we all are doing our best in these times, right? The world is going through so many things at once. You know, I was talking to Saaguru and he was telling me about how the soil is so messed up nowadays. You know, like we're getting 40% of the amount of food that the amount of nutrition we used to get from food is we get only get 40% of that now

because of the soil has not been replenished right and that you know the population has gone from 4 billion to 8 billion people from 1960 to now or 9 billion now and soon it's going to go from 9 billion to 13 billion and you know the next 30 something years, and they're saying that at that point, if we don't replenish the soil and take care of the oceans and many other things that the famine is gonna be not only at a crazy, crazy level we've never seen, but it's, you know, food won't even be available.

And, or affordable, and, you know, I was asking him like, man, how do we like, how do we replenish the soil? And one of the things, there's a lot of ways that, you know, I can talk about that another time. But one of the things I was thinking, he was saying that, you know, as humans, we're supposed to go back into the earth, mother nature, mother earth, we're supposed to go back into and replenish the soil,

you know, and enrich the soil soil and I was thinking how sometimes we Like you know how we have like caskets and we like fill our fill our bodies our shells with a you know Whatever it is the chemical to make us last forever But it's like we're never gonna dig each that we're never gonna dig. I'm never gonna dig my grandfather up from his grave It's like I Need to be replenished back into the earth because if you think about it, that's just polluting the earth at that point. That's almost like trash on the ground when you, and no disrespect, you know, I don't

mean that in any disrespectful way, I just mean in a scientific way. It's kind of like a matter that doesn't dispose, you know, I'm not trying to, you see what I'm saying because it is a very sensitive thing. You know, to talk about my relatives or even my grandfather who I love very much. But what I'm saying is, it would have meant just as much as he would have disposed back and it became part of the soil and the earth. You know what I mean? And that's something to really pay attention to as the population grows and the space gets

smaller and smaller. And we need to build more and more developments over the soil that we really need to be feeding ourselves and taking care of the earth with. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, so that's something that the earth is just going, that's another thing earth is going through aside from the world, you know, the possible world wars that could be upon us and besides from all the conflict and the, you know, all these borders and just countries where slavery is still going

on and places just, you know, a crazy amount of problems on this list that, you know, that the world is going through and we just have to like really, really boss up and be our best selves and, you know, take care of ourselves to present our greatest version to the world to help out anyway we can. That's why this is so important. Yeah, how do you process that? I mean, I mean, I grew up with that a lot as well. Exactly what you just said, you look around the world,

whether it's poverty, racism, war, potential famine. You're just seeing all of this. I think a lot of people look at all of that and they get really overwhelmed. They do. And then they feel helpless. And these are good people. These are people who care.

Of course. They're empathetic people. Of course. But then when they see all this, they just feel helpless and they feel confused and they feel disheartened. And then they don't know what to do or how to help. And then they feel disheartened, and then they don't know what to do or how to help, and then they feel paralyzed.

So in that situation, how do you process this? Well, how do you think about getting involved? Because the way I think about it is I realize that working on myself, as you rightly said, that's not going to solve it, but it helps me bring my best to this situation. 100%. Right? Like, if I'm in a mess, my start.

I'm in a starts there, to me at least. Starts there. Yeah. If I'm in a mess myself, how can I remove any mess? The way it was explained when I lived as a monk is that if we ourselves are not trying to be purified, who are we to help cleanse anything? How can you cleanse something externally if you're not purifying yourself internally?

It's not possible. But then when you do that, the whole goal of working on yourself, and I think this is what's off the list, the whole point of self-care is service. The whole point of internal purification is to help detox and cleanse externally, right? That to me, the whole purpose of self-care is the complete opposite of being selfish.

It's actually, like you said, a service to the world. So when you are overwhelmed with all the anxiety of everything that's going on, you're overwhelmed with your personal problems and the world's problems and just things seem to be too much. We all go through this. It is the most important thing to rely on the faith that everything is gonna be okay. And when you put your best foot forward, when you do take care of the extra steps

to take care of yourself to bring your best foot forward, you realize like we talked about last time that the faith, that the reason that we're in this moment in the first place is because we have the ability to change this moment. The great part about being in any situation, whether you're up or down in life, is that it's an amazing opportunity.

And you have the ability to change every situation, right? So, you know, when you have that faith, like I talked about that invisible bridge, when you have that faith that you can just walk across and you don't really see how you're going to get across, but you know it's there and you step on that off that cliff and onto the, to where you don't see anything and you still haven't fallen, that's what faith is and that's what we have to have in each other as a society and realize that the more conscious we are, the more we work on ourselves,

the more steps we're taking to get to the other side of things. You know what I mean? Yeah, and how do you think, how do you develop that? Because when I saw your face describing the faith and the invisible bread and the steps. When I watch you describe that, I can see that it's realized. It's a realization for you. This isn't just some idea or something you read in a book or it's realized how did you develop that faith over the years because it was a step by step process in being able to see that because I think a step-by-step process

in being able to see that because I think a lot of people, if you try and fake that faith, it doesn't work. It can't work, no. It doesn't work. And if you try and avoid that faith, that doesn't work because you need to have something. Like there was an amazing study I read recently and they said that people who are involved in wars

and stuck in trenches and stuck in the most difficult situations known to humanity when they had false hope and this is hope not faith when they had false hope they actually felt more dejected so if they had the false hope, they actually felt more dejected. So if they had the false hope that we'll be backed by Christmas and they didn't get backed by Christmas, that would break their resolve. But if they believed we won't get backed by Christmas, but we will get back. That allowed them to have faith, to actually move forward, that simple shift of not putting a timeline, not putting a deadline, not having false hope, but having that long-term faith. So I wonder how did you develop that? Because I think that's something that's not talked about enough, is how is

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when they even happen you realize that okay I, in the first place should never be mad at a timeline because how can I be mad at a timeline or something I get in done or a deadline when I'm on God's when I'm on moving at God's speed. I'm not moving that my speed. I can set my intention. I can give my attention to that intention of hopefully getting something done and make it done earlier. I may want to finish something by April and it might get done in February. You know, I may want to get something done in April and it won't be done until next April. Who knows? Because it's unknown, but when we embrace that unknown, which a lot of us is hard to do, because we always like to think about

what's the worst that could happen instead of what's the best that could happen. I had to change my whole mindset to think, okay, what's the best that could happen? Because I don't even wanna track what's the worst that could happen. That's such a normal saying that I'm like, that's saying, is why I had to flip it over

to what's the best that could happen, you know what I mean? Because I have 100% faith, just the fact that we wake up every day that everything is gonna be all right, you know? Just, you know, and give down to just the simplest things. I like, I love how you talk about breathing because you realize how much of a pleasure it is to breathe. If you hold your breath and don't breathe for, you know, I can hold my breath for like a minute and a half and you don't breathe.

And then when you breathe, exhale, inhale, you realize how much of a pleasure it is for real to even just be on just be here today breathing. You know what I mean? So I said, yeah, it's just, we would choose to breathe over anything if you had to be forced to choose. Right. Right?

Because everything else would not be an experience if you could breathe. Yeah. That's not promise, breath is an promise, right? Your lungs could shut down. The earth earth the environment could change at any moment You know something natural catastrophe or disaster could happen and that could be immediately taken away from us recently I was reading from I was reading from Victor Franco's man search for meaning again, mm-hmm and

I Think it's called 12 gifts for life by Edith Eger, so they both survived the Holocaust. And I was reading that because of what's happening in the world. And to me at this time, when the world's going through these things, the only people I can turn towards are the people who've lived through it. Right. I often think that those are the people that can guide us the deepest.

Yeah. And so when people ask me for my guidance at these times, I go, let's look at these people's guidance. Yeah. Because they were actually there, like Edith and Victor talk about them being in the concentration camps, seeing people dragged, seeing children abused.

Like, this is all happening around them. And Edith Eger said something that I think you'll appreciate so much. She said, I realized, and I had to realize that I wasn't the prisoner, but the gods with the prisoners of their own conscience. And she goes, when I realized that I wasn't imprisoned, the people who were being imprisoned by their hatred and imprisoned by their own pain and imprisoned by their desire to dominate and control and to abuse people, that's the real prison. That is the real prison. I have a free. Like, you hear someone say that going through the most

atrocious, horrendous thing they could possibly go through, but that was her mindset. She's still living, she survived. And you got a crazy thing to survive through. Right, and to have that perspective, and she was saying that it was that perspective, it's what you're saying, that in that moment, she had to rewire how she saw what was going on

so that she could get through it. If she just accepted it for what it was, she said she would have lost that resolve. That's one of those lessons only life can teach you, right? She was, she, that's one of those lessons. Like we go through these things and experiences that there's no other way to, I just hope that people realize when they go through these things and experiences that there's no other way to, I just hope that people realize when they go through things, it doesn't have to be such a

traumatic experience or such a detrimental thing or such a, you know, immeasurable loss or anything. It's, you know, the fact that you're able to survive through the day. You know, there was somebody who got murdered around the corner from in the neighborhood I live in, and I'm just like, Oh, you're saying actually, right? It is, like yesterday. Wow. Yeah, like in the same neighborhood and nice neighborhood,

but my point is is that we take for granted how much of a blessing it is to be here right now and to wake up and be here. You know what I mean? So, you know, we learn these lessons, and I just hope that we can pay attention to the lessons that life teaches us, you know, because you have to really make a mental,

you have to really acknowledge what you're experiencing, or else it just goes on one ear and off the other. You have to learn the lesson, you know? And even that story you told me, she learned that lesson while she was in that concentration in the Holocaust. She learned that, okay, you're actually the prisoner because you're trapped in your prison of your consciousness and you know, you want to dominate another person and trap another person. That is already a prison, you know, I'm in here, I'm in a cage, but I'm the one who's free-minded and free-thinking and has faith that I'm gonna get past this

and totally different experiences, right? So just embrace the experience that you're going through and realize it. We're releasing these bodies for a limited time only, right? Our experience here is very, very limited. So we have to make something. You know, we can't just sit around and watch other people live their lives. We got to go out and figure out what that means for us.

You know, and how you do that is you do do the work on yourself. A lot of people may be watching this and may not know what they want to do. They don't know what they're passionate about. Maybe they just like being on the internet all day. Maybe they just like watching movies and TV all day. But you know, you can't figure out exactly what you're all the way passionate about and to you actually try things, try things out. I had to try things myself because I didn't really know what I was passionate about besides music. I had to go jump out of a plane. I had to like try to things start working

out. I had to, you know, do hikes and be like, I really like hiking, like I really like this, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know, I think that's one of the things, one of the quickest escapes people can go to is like drugs, right? It's like an instant escape and a way to get high.

But man, there's so many other ways to get high, you know what I'm saying in life without using that. And I don't, not even a sound like you know It's for you know Corny or in whatever whatever people may think that sounds, but it's like there are a lot of ways You know to that I've been high off life that a drug can never give me you know what I'm saying Like the type of high that is like God giving that only the universe can provide you know That's so much that's the best that's the Yeah, that's so awesome. That's the best, that's the best high.

It's so assured and you know, it's in the scriptures it's called the higher taste. Yeah. Like the idea that when you, it's almost like when you look at a child, if you give a child a popsicle, the child will want that. Yeah.

And if you try and give a child a diamond or a million dollar investment, they won't understand it. Yeah. And if you try and give a child a diamond or a million dollar investment, they won't understand it. Yeah. And they'll be like, I'd rather have this popsicle. Yeah. But then when that child gets older and mature, they go, oh, that investment or that thing could have been more valuable. And so what we see as a valuable experience changes as we mature. And so what we see as a valuable experience changes is we mature. And it's what you said about experiences is so true. Rady and I recently, we try and do something every month

that we do that's random that we wouldn't expect to do. So recently we went to a rage room. And I had no desire. What's that like? So a rage room, they give you baseball bats and lead pipes and stuff like that. Oh, I've heard about this, are like that. And you smash stuff up. And so we went to that and me and Rady are both not angry people.

Like we're not aggressive people in general. But we were like, we have to go experiment because if we don't experiment, how do you know? Right. You got to go check it out. So it was hilarious to watch us because we were both like, you know, we were both like not violent people. Yeah. And so we're struggling. Then we realized something really interesting. They told me afterwards, I wish they told me before, they said, if you go there and you're stressed out because your boy from broke up with you or someone's been rude to you or you've been offended, then it will de-stress you. But if you go there when you're not stressed,

the research shows that you leave stressed. So that was me and my wife. We went there not stressed, and we left with stress. It was actually stressful to cause rage when you don't feel any. And so that was an experience that didn't go well, right? But you gotta try it though. But that's okay, you gotta try it.

And the fact that you two were together, it's probably just something that you always remember, right? But you gotta try it though. But that's okay, you gotta try it. And the fact that she two were together, it's probably just, it's something that you always remember, right? Yes, so in hindsight, it probably was a pleasurable experience. It's a funny story now that we get to tell and be like, we did this thing, it didn't work out. But I think that's what you're saying that we have to just experience more and experiment more, rather than turn to the obvious things

that we've seen over society, like as you said, like drugs and alcohol or any of these things, that can become painful in the long run, as opposed to what you said, hey, whether it's going for a hike or whether it's doing this thing or that thing or whatever it may be.

So I think that's just really simple, practical advice that anyone can follow. Yeah, and I'm not judging anybody who does that too, because that's one thing I want people to remember too, like we don't have the right to judge anybody going through anything. When we sit up and judge each other all day on social media, or in real life too, and that's, you know, I want to tie that back to another thing that I was talking about because everyone is going through something you never know, right? But that's not even a... It's a very conditional thing to try and keep up an image or a...

for sod, right? And... You know, even like money is such a conditional thing. Like that's why when I say rich Yeah, you could be rich in money, but it's conditional right? So when that money goes, you're not even rich anymore It's like if you took all the money away from me or anyone or anyone around me or my family We are at a point where we were rich before we have money, you know what I'm saying because Of the the rich practices that we were taught, you know, which is, you know, to take care of yourself early on, which is a lesson that I kind of put on the back burner

and went through experience life. And life was hit me and beat me up. And I had to take a step back and reaffirm the things that I already knew, but really strengthening them up. You know what I mean? And that is being rich for real, you know, because money is conditional. And that's the energy we've assigned it. It's the currency of our, I guess you could say just our countries are living the way we live.

But really, you know, time is like the currency of our universe, you know, and love is like the currency of all. You know, love is every love is God, right? So I know I'm kind of rambling. No, you're not. That resonates, man. Yeah, I just want people to get that though, man, because it's like, trying out to judge, you just wasting it when you judge in somebody else, you're really just wasting your time. You're really just giving somebody else your energy that's so valuable. You could be building something,

you could be building a mountain with that energy, you could be building a mountain or a future or a career or something else. And instead, you're really worried about somebody else or tearing somebody else down. And that just doesn't make sense. It's so easy to do though. It's so easy for a lot of people.

And it gives you a quick boost. It gives you a quick boost. It makes you feel good in the moment. Yeah, it does because I think it makes people feel good in the moment or I can't speak for people, but I think we can get obsessed with validation and retweets or a lot of likes, or getting a reaction, or getting attention.

But one of the things that I've realized is that people kind of put morals to the side. They were literally leak, something of yours very private. It could be a nude, it could be a thing, it could be something that they put all the morals aside and be like, oh, this is gonna get a lot of attention. So I'm gonna put it out. I don't care where he's going. It doesn't matter where he's going through.

But really, and I'm not just speaking about me, I'm talking about anyone like that person could be going through, could be on the edge and that pushes him over the edge you never know. So just always keep that in mind. Like, that's you. Don't, like it's okay to, you know, want a lot of retweece and want a lot of love and likes

and stuff. We all do that. We're professionals. So yeah, when we touch and communicate want a lot of retwee, and want a lot of love and likes and stuff. We all do that. We're professionals. So, yeah, when we touch and communicate with a lot of people and people show love, that was great. But I just wanted to prioritize that, at least I do and realize that my morals come first, though. You know what I mean?

And what you just said is making sure that whatever we're doing is not at the expense of someone else. You know what I mean? You want to act in a way that doesn't cost anyone else anything. Exactly. You don't want to make... That's exactly what I was trying to say. Yeah, you don't want to make someone pay for what you behave as.

You would never want that. And because none of us want to be in that situation. No. And I think that's what we disconnect with. And one of the things I had to learn is to learn to stop judging people who judge others. Yeah. So I had the judgment of people who judge,

and I'd be like, well, you should stop judging. And I'm like, wait, but that is a judgment. That's a judgment. That's a judgment. And so it's like, okay, well, let me meet that person with compassion. And understanding. Yeah.

Because we understand it. Because I do understanding. Yeah. Because we understand it. Because I do it. Yeah. And we can't judge. We only have to like, you know, at least I can only speak for myself like I've learned to just stop judging. People realize we're all humans. If we weren't here to learn something

or if we were perfect, we wouldn't even be here. We would already be on our next, on the next wave of, you know, existence or whatever comes next. Absolutely. What's been the most recent thing you were talking about learning life's lessons? What do you think's been the most recent life lesson? Big or small that's come across your path that's kind of stayed with you or been on your

mind? I just wonder because we always talk about learning lessons through life and people think that they have to be these huge big ones, but sometimes just something every day. But what's it been for you? Has there been anything that's still there? Yeah, to have fun. Nice. Yeah. To make everything you're doing fun. Period. Because we hear for such a limited time, and when we see somebody pass away, that's close to us or someone we idolize our heroes or family members our friends whatever just you know you got to realize that okay I do work but I need to make this fun because that is the key to happiness right and I feel like that is

to me the only thing that really that's real success is when you're happy so you got to have fun with whatever you're doing. And if it's not fun, you gotta make it fun. Or do something else, you know, even if it pays your bills or anything like, if you just approach it like that, I'm telling you to hold something that may be so depressing to you can completely change. That job you may have been working on.

I've been doing this since I was 11 years old by the way, making music, you know? And obviously I want to do other things with my life. Like I mean, you were talking to write a book. I can't wait for that. Yeah, because you know, I've learned so many lessons like from you or from Deepak, you know, I get to sit with Sada Guru and my mom,

especially I get to sit with Jine, I get to sit with all these amazing, I get to sit with Marie Diamond, I get to sit with Jenae, I get to sit with all these amazing, I get to sit with Marie Diamond, I get to sit with a lot of people who know so much, and I know that it's one of my life purposes to put that information into, and all the experiences I've been through, all the testimonies I've seen,

all the magic that I've witnessed in my life. That's the reason I wanna write a book, I'm not doing it because it You know, that's the reason I want to write a book. I'm not doing it because it's always a cool thing for your career to do. Write a book. I feel like I have to write a book because it's like one of my missions for humanity. I want to read that book. I think it's fascinating hearing about everyone's journey to how they started going inward. Right?

Like that's what's fascinating. We always, books are always written about the journey outwards. What did you succeed? What did you achieve? Where did you get to? But to me, books that are about the journey inward, we need to tell those stories because those are the journeys we struggled to take even more.

Yeah, and those are the journeys that are a little bit more untold, right? Yes. And on scene. Yeah, on scene that we need to relate to. And especially my people who listen to me, like I feel like I really need to do that. And but that is one thing I've learned though,

to just go back to what you said, is like to have fun with it. Make sure you have fun with it and make it fun. Like bring whatever you think is fun till whatever you have to do. Like if you think, well, I think playing video games is fun, well then bring that to work somehow, like figure. Like if you think, well, I think playing video games was fun, well, then bring that to work

somehow, like figure out a way to like incorporate that or figure out a way to balance that into your life somehow, like, you can't let go of the fun of anything because then everything just gets depressing. Yeah. You know, you get wiped out and you're not even doing a service to anyone at that point. Yeah. And I think that's the interesting thing. This is simple lesson though, right? It's a but that's what I love about it. Because it doesn't have to be this deep profound lesson.

Usually the simple ones are the other good ones. Yeah, like for mine it's been prioritizing rest. Like I love prioritizing rest and refuel. Like one of my favorite things to do. That's something I still have not mastered. Like deep rest, right? Like deep rest. Like letting yourself just have this deep silence,

stillness, calmness, whatever gives that to you. I find like being able to, one of the things I really do enjoy doing, and I think it's fun, and that's why fun is such a wide word, is doing like a sensory deprivation tank. So like when I'm sitting in a sensory deprivation tank, all my senses are off.

It's actually a beautiful experience for me that's deep rest and that is fun for me, because I'm no longer like dealing with any of the challenges or stresses or pressures I'm able to just be, yeah. So inside, it's magnesium and water. It's naturally float for anyone who's never done it before. You can go in there for a half an hour, hour two hour wax.

It's pitch dark. It's dark. Some of them, if they're a bit bougie, they have the lights. The lights, the music, like a little bit of, moody lights, yeah, moody lights, moody music. But the idea is to just not let your senses be triggered. And I find that's what I crave is letting my senses no longer be overexposed

or overstimulated. One of my favorite things to do is look out into the distance to what sun sets, to what's the sunrise, to just look at the sky, because I find it's the least overstimulating thing in our lives. When you look at your phone, you're overstimulated. You switch on the news, you're overexposed. Everything's overwhelming. You can take that time for yourself. Correct. I love to do anything that helps me understand myself. That helps me underwound myself. Yeah. It helps me. Onwind. Underwind, yeah.

Unwind myself. That's what I crave. And I've realized that that's my reward to myself. It's not just a luxury that that's necessary. It's a part of richness. It's a part of richness. It is. And I think that the mentality that I've experienced and that I've always had is like,

you have to like stay on it, you have to stay on it like, and almost to a point where I feel like I didn't deserve rest sometimes. I just, I didn't deserve it. Like, I'm not almost finished with my stuff. I gotta keep going. I can't, you know, but that was totally the wrong. That was me coming from a place of desperation and not a place of knowing and having faith because you know rest is one of the many joys of our life man, going to sleep, having that good sleep. Like those and you know by the way that's the mom, a lot of times we're in that deep sleep though, those are the moments that a lot of visions and a lot of inspiration and a lot of ideas are transmuted to us and You know, we're just a vessel. So you know that we sometimes we go to a higher place when we're sleeping and our at our most relaxed state, right?

So I Have been learning to get rest. I go to sleep kind of weird times What's best when I make a music like I go to sleep at like three or four in the morning was a Music terrible. Yeah, you know what I mean, but weird times, especially when I make a music, like I'm gonna sleep at like three or four in the morning with you. It's a music terrible. Yeah. You know what I mean, but it is nothing like getting some good rest man, nothing like it.

But what you deserve it, and you and people deserve it. People think that they don't deserve rest or you know they work two jobs and all this things, like you deserve that rest man. And like longevity is better than anything. You can burn yourself out and go double shifts triple six don't need sleep only need two three hours and sleep on a picture rest man get that rest is much less is unique because when you fully rest it that's when you can really make real waves and whatever industry or whatever dream you have or everything you got going on you Yeah, I was actually just about to say that. I think that's the most powerful thing you said there.

As you were sharing that, the idea that we don't give ourself permission for things we don't deserve. So we don't give ourselves the permission to rest. If we don't feel we deserve rest. And a lot of us don't feel we deserve rest. We don't feel we deserve fun. We don't feel we deserve rest. And a lot of us don't feel we deserve rest. We don't feel we deserve fun. We don't feel we deserve joy.

And so we don't allow ourselves to have that feeling. And as you were saying then, you used that word deserve. I was like, I just want everyone to stop. Everyone is listening right now to this episode or watching this episode. To just stop and think, what are you not feeling like you deserve? Yeah, people feel like they might not deserve real love. I'm a, I don't deserve a partner,

or I don't deserve the rest. I don't deserve the guy I have fun. I haven't been getting enough work done. Like, that's all crazy. None of that stuff is connected to each other, man. Like, take care of yourself first and foremost and watch how more beautiful your life unfolds. Absolutely.

I want to ask you something though, with on the flip side of that, I've been thinking about recently, this idea of how do you do things that are good for you, even when you don't feel like it? Because you don't always feel like doing things that are actually good for you. And so we try and avoid them because of how we feel right now.

How do you find yourself doing that with the gym, with meditation, with everything that you're saying, whether it's in the studio, how have you been able to go and get over that initial feeling of, I don't wanna meditate today, or I don't wanna sleep early today, I don't wanna meditate today, or I don't wanna sleep early today, I don't wanna work out today. How do you work through that voice in your head?

When it comes to self care, it's not, you can set a schedule, but there are times where you're gonna have to wake up earlier, you're gonna have to get right to something, right? You're gonna have to maybe meditate later on in the day. You may not even get a chance to, but that's the beauty, first of all, it's the beauty of the short meditations

that, I mean, you went over like the two-minute meditations, right? It doesn't have to be 15 minutes where, you know, because I like, I take a thing, I do things where I like, write my goals down, I do this, I write my intentions for the day, I meditate for 15, 20 minutes, then I sit my tea, you know, I take time,

I take an hour to myself, and a lot of times I don't always have that, right? Sometimes I do it later in the day when I do have time. And the days that I don't have time to do that, I'll be like, well, I'm at least gonna do this. There's a bare minimum. And even if it's a two or three minute meditation,

or to be honest with you, there have been days There's a bare minimum and even if it's a two or three-minute meditation or To be honest with you there have been days where I Was completely exhausted and did nothing and honestly I Deserved those days, you know, there are days where you turn your phone out of data I like that. That's what I want to go where I put my phone in the drawer. I Had to leave it. I didn't pick it back up till like midnight and when I was about to go to sleep and I didn't go to the studio that day I didn't do anything. I just needed time to myself You have to listen to yourself and when you listen to yourself you have to ask for why don't I feel like doing this? Why do I why who doesn't want to take care of themselves right and maybe you just you just need some time to just be lazy, man. That's okay. Yeah. That is okay. But it's the

fact that you know better when you know better, you're already in headed in the right direction. So when you don't take care of yourself, right, when you don't work out or you don't meditate, you're going to be like, Oh, man, I don't know. I feel like I should have kind of, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it eventually gets you right back on track if you're a disciplined person. Yeah. So which I advise people to try and be disciplined with the things that give you joy.

Mm. You know. Those two things don't always, you don't feel like they go together. No, that's beautiful. Yeah, but you gotta remember having fun is a serious thing. You know what I mean? Yeah. It is, but you got to remember having fun is a serious thing. You know what

mean? Yeah, it is. You got to be serious about your fun. That is actually it. Yeah, we got that. That was the idea of how you strike that balance. Yeah. You got to be disciplined about your joy. Fun is a serious thing for sure. And I think that's what we lose. We go, now, fun just needs to be completely random. And then, you know, joy needs to be completely random. But know it's that concentrated focused creation and development of that. Yeah. At this point in your life, you know, we talked about this last time, we talked about your journey, we talked about where you got to the reflection you had, the mountain you climbed and then looked around and was like, well, is this it? Like this, you know, at this point in your life, what have you new dreams, hot space been like? Like what's been going on in your heart and mind about who you want

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Because I'm in a position, right? I have a platform. I've done a lot of things I wanted to do musically, right? I've experienced like so many beautiful things. And I remember all I wanted was a song on a radio, right? But I didn't limit myself to that, right? By just being so specific. I always was like, I want to song whatever else I can get.

You know, whatever else comes with that. And so lately, I just been thinking, how can I impact the world? How can I use my platform to change the world and look back and be like, wow, that was something that meant something. That's something that my grandkids could look at and say, man, granddad really did that, you know, and make that impact to people or listeners or anyone that's tuned into my frequency. You know what I mean? How can I impact them? How can I make the best use of this opportunity, this life I have, this body I have? That's kind of what my motivation has been as.

So I put that into my music, I put that into, okay, we're getting my book together, I put that into, since these recover restrictions are up, it's kind of like, how do I want to see people live? What a experience. Yeah, you've been at Coachella this year. Yeah, Coachella's coming up. Yeah, like what experience do I want to give people?

Yeah. And also to not take away from what makes me happy. And that's being with the people I love. Just figuring out how we can change the world and align to my people, my team with that. And I'm looking forward to just living. I'm looking forward to starting a family at the right time.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, and just. We've got a time gap. Yeah, we've got it. It's all on God's time, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we got a time that yeah It's all on guys time yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah relationships are deep boy. They are deep but but that is That is to me like where I'm at in my life You know what I mean? I'm not really trying. I'm not in the same place I was when I was a teenager when I was in my 20s

It's I'm in a whole different way of, okay, how can I impact the world? You know what I mean? With the opportunity that I've been given, with this platform I've been given. And that's such a brilliant acceptance because for so many people, when they get up the first mountain, it becomes about the second mountain. And then the third mountain, and then the fourth mountain. And they just keep climbing mountains. And it doesn't change how they feel. And so for you to already have that realization

and go to the real mountain, I wanna climb as the impact and the service and the joy and the happiness, that's a beautiful thing. And we were talking about this earlier, offline about relationships. And you know, your relationships, obviously with Jeanne, with something that you've been investing in

Yeah, yeah, it's been a it's been a commitment. It's been an investment. Obviously we've spent time together and she's been an amazing guest on The show as well. Yeah, had you met her first before I met you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, and she was only told me like you had a meet and she's incredible Yeah, you know, and when I found out you two were together, I was like this makes so much sense Mm-hmm, but but walk me through whatever you feel comfortable with walk me through some of the And when I found out you two were together, I was like, this makes so much sense. But walk me through whatever you feel comfortable with, walk me through some of the journeys in what it's meant to create a conscious partnership. And what's the real work that goes behind that?

Because we all have our baggage and our trauma and our issues from our past relationships, our parents, so many things. What's going into crafting and what you're trying to craft? Wow, that's really deep too about, let's make sure we touch back on like traumas and things that we inherit from our parents, because we inherit, I'm gonna,

actually I'll do that, we'll talk about that then I can go to that. One of the things I've had to do in my life is clear some of the blockages that I've had. You know, all in different ways, all through different people. And that's something that I may want to get more detailed in with people too, because people are going to say, well, how do I clear these blockages within me?

And there are many, many ways and many people that people that I've met with that have been able to help me. And I used many, many ways and many people that people that I've met with that I've been able to help me. And I used to have a worry man of money. What was one of them? Just like you can inherit your parents hair or you can inherit their eyes or you can inherit their, you know, I remember my dad used to be like, oh, I used to smile just like you do. You know, it's like you can inherit a smile. You can also inherit someone's fears. You can also inherit someone's beliefs that aren't in alignment with your own

and you feel very conflicted. You can inherit just a lot of, you can inherit a pain. You can inherit racism. And you can be like, well, I'm not a racist person, but I know someone who's like, well, I'm not a racist person, but then they call every black person a kid. You know, that's a good, that's a good kid. And I'm like, you got to watch yourself a little bit, man.

It's like, you know, just pay attention to that because you don't refer to people who are who look like you as a kid. And you might refer to somebody who's a kid that's the same age, almost the same age as you. You know, so it's like You inherit these things you may not even realize it right and it's important to just do the work on yourself because To push the next it's like also brick and generational curses. It's like I broke one of the blockages I had and now my family We are living We are getting more of our dreams.

My mom is doing things that she never thought she would do. My dad, my brother, you know, we grew up in debt essentially. And I had to break that. That was one of the blocks I had to break was a block of not be scared to have money. Feel like there's a scarcity of money and it's not. You know, it's all just energy, right?

And you can have as much energy as needed. And to clear all these blocks, but to get back to my point, it is so important to go through these blocks and these traumas because when you pass it on to, not only just the next generation, you pass it on to the people around you, your friends, your family, you know, you are. You are the company you keep.

The more like-minded and the better you are, the better everyone around you is, including your family, right? You guys can have the opportunity to do anything that is possible, anything you want, any empire, any business, any ownership, things that you didn't even know is imaginable but it all starts with you working on yourself and that's the importance of you know the traumas it's almost like well why would I want to correct you know cancer runs in our family breast cancer runs in our family why would I want to correct that well you want to correct that so you don't pass it on

and you know the vibration of cancer is a low vibration you know what I'm saying so you know it's important to take care of ourselves and get rid of that trauma, but okay. That was beautiful, but I'm so glad you went there. Yeah. I'm so happy you went there, because that, the idea of being aware of what we're inheriting is so important, especially when you went

that we are aware of what we were and how we think and how we look, but then how we behave, how we communicate, how we talk to people, how we think about people, how we think about women, how we think about men, how we think about... Oh, that's a good one. How you think about women and men? Yeah. That's another thing. Or them, how you think about trans, how you think about LGBTQ? Like just how we think about other. I'm so glad you went there. I just wanted to say that. I'm so happy you took us on that. you think about LGBTQ? Like just how we think about other.

I'm so glad you went there. I just wanna say that I'm so happy you took us on that. Yeah, I can just imagine like aliens or people from another world being like, man, these people really trip that they have different shades of skin, they really be like, they really kill each other over this. Like, you know, I've never seen a cow

look at another cow and be like, you're a brown cow, you're a black and white cow. I don't want to be around you. No, they don't know. I was like, you know, and it makes me realize that if we kill each other and hate each other over things like that or who we love, right, or things that even have nothing to do with us, then I wonder how we would handle an extra terrestrial,

or an alien alien or really something that is really different. You know, always I'm like, maybe that's why the government or whoever doesn't ever want to really break it to humanity because who, how are we going to react? You know, that's a whole other conversation. One wanted to ask you something about relationships because you go through times where you don't see your wife all the time. And how important is distance in a relationship, you know,

because I know some people may feel guilty like not being with their partner all the time or maybe even enjoying time away, you know, that could be a guilt thing like, oh man, I'm really having a good time by myself or also spending too much time with your partner and losing a sense of who you are in your individual self. So as you, I look at your relationship,

you guys are a beautiful couple, you know what I mean? And I'm not saying that in idolizing that or anything, but that's just me making a, you know, recognizing that. Yeah, it's my friend, yeah. Yeah, how do you balance the distance in your relationship and is that necessary? Yeah, I think for us, and I agree to you by the way, there is no such thing as a perfect couple,

perfect marriage, perfect relationship. So we should remove that idealization. Period. Just with everything, just as we were talking about earlier, I've found that I'll take a bit of a detour, but I find that as humans, we like to idolize or we like to demonize. So we demonize people.

We go, yeah, are terrible, you're wrong, you're the worst. Or we go, you're the best. I love you and I adore you. And sometimes the people we idolize become the same people we demonize when they let us down. All the time. All the time. And so we don't have this ability which what we talked about as monks was neutralized. How do you just neutralize everything and look at it for what it is and look at it for the reality of it rather than idolize or demonize it. Just just learn to accept. So when I

look at my relationship, we found that when we first got married, I'd say in the first two years of our marriage So my wife and I've been married for six years and next year we will have been together for ten years We've been together for nine years now in total and the first two years of our marriage I reckon we spend in total six to eight months apart in two years And the reason for that was because my wife missed her family in London. We'd moved to New York because of my career. And I wanted her to be with her family to be happy, but I also wanted to be in New York so that I could build my career and build my purpose. And so that became a valid, which is all valid. She wanted

to be with her family, which I respect and love, and I wanted to be here. And I said to her, I said, I will fly back every weekend, every month if I have to, if that's what's gonna keep this marriage together, because I don't think you should give up what you care about, and I'm not gonna give up what I care about. We both should not give up what we care about the most because we care about each other.

Can you, oh my God, see, one of the things, I'm not to cut you off, but people always say, oh, you have to give things, you have to sacrifice so much, you have to let go, like, no, you can't sacrifice yourself to the point where it's torture. You know, you can't sacrifice yourself to where you're not yourself anymore.

That. You know what I mean? And that's really important not to cut you out. I just wanted to add that in there. Dude, everything you just added, I'm like, that because that's the fine line. You just gave the fine line of, you can't compromise when compromise becomes torture.

Compromise is healthy. Everyone has to compromise. I may cancel a dinner or I may reschedule my weekend. Everyone has to compromise. I may cancel a dinner. I may reschedule my weekend. Like that's compromise. That's everything. That's been in tune with yourself. Yeah, exactly.

But you'd just define it perfectly. Like you can't sacrifice to not lead. If I gave up the pursuit of my purpose in New York, I would have been sad, depressed, and tortured using your words. And if my wife was kept away from her family and couldn't travel back to see them, because I didn't want her to,

because she had to be with me in New York, she would have been tortured and trapped. I don't want that as my loving relationship. No, that's not a union. Exactly, that's not a union. And so what we've found is that we got used to it, but We've got better at it. So at that time we got used to it, but what happened is we would really disconnect. This was a mistake We would really disconnect. We would barely talk barely check in and then when we get back together

It almost felt like we were strangers again. Wow. And so that wasn't good or bad. I just think we had to get better. Like today it's changed. Yeah. And so I just want to put that out there that when we first got married and we did that, I don't think we had the healthiest version of distance. And this is my point that you can evolve and grow and learn.

And then it was COVID, right? So during the pandemic we lived together for two years and we saw each other every day. And that was amazing. It was actually brilliant because that was the first time in our lives that we'd spent every day together for two years. And it was beautiful.

We loved it. And now, this year, I will have been away from my wife when she finally gets back, but she's been working in London. I've been in LA where we currently both live, but she's been, we will have been apart for around four months, and maybe we've seen each other once in four months, hopefully, we've gone in this many vacation together. I feel this time, we've both found a healthier way

of being distance. So she's in London because she's working, and that's her purpose. I'm in LA because that's where my purpose is. Again, I respect her purpose and she respects mine. I value her values and she values mine. And if I had to give up mine and be there for four months or she had to give up hers and be here for four months,

I wouldn't feel happy because I know she's not happy. And she wouldn't feel happy because I know she's not happy. And she wouldn't feel happy because she knows I'm not happy. So what we've realized is that in the times we're apart, we can both be more productive. We get to catch up with our own friends and deepen those bonds and connection because we both have more time. I find that I miss her every day. I have never texted my wife this much since we were dating. I haven't called her this much since we were dating because now it's like I wake up in the morning,

the first person I call is her. I don't do that. She's next to me, right? The last thing at night, I know she's already asleep in London, but I'm messaging her messages so that when she wakes up in the morning, they're the first things she sees. It adds a beautiful dynamic, and there's something really beautiful in the Bukti tradition, which is based on love and devotion to the universe, the divine. And it talks about how love in connection is beautiful, but love in separation is one of the most beautiful experiences.

To want to be back with your beloved and the person that you love. That's what all the songs are about. Yeah, that's what all the songs are about. Right, that's what all the music's about. Yeah. Like the missing of someone, the yearning of someone, the separation from a loved one, is sometimes where you get to experience the deepest joy and even process some of your

biggest fears and weaknesses. And that's what I find that when I'm away from my wife, I have to process my weaknesses and my fears head on. And that I find to be joyful because it deepens my love for her. And so I personally find that distance and personal time is critical. And the way I define it for someone in a week, because someone may say, well, Jay, we don't work like you guys, where we're away from each other for months, because we live in the same home.

We don't have careers that take us across the world. I believe, and I've been planning this out, that here's an ideal seven day week, right? Yeah. You should ideally spend one to two days by yourself with yourself, even if you're married, even if you're dating,

have two nights a week that are for you. Mm-hmm. Even if you're in the same house. Same house. Have two nights a week separate that is for you to listen to your inner voice. That's two nights a week. Now have two nights that are together,

just you two, date nights, experiments, events, whatever it is, but just you two so that you develop and you water your intimacy. That's four nights. I got three nights left. In those other three nights, one night you spend with your own friends. So she's with her friends, I'm with my friends. And then the other two nights were with a collective group of friends, friends that we share. Now, you can make your own ratio of your seven days, but notice how the ideal seven days include time alone, time with each other, time with your own friends and family, and time with collective friends and family. If we can't look at our lives and say we do all of those, it means

we're not watering a really important part of our relationships. If I don't water myself, I've got another deal. That's going to come up later. Yeah. And that you're going to feel is hurting you. You know, what you're talking from is like from experience, I can see like this isn't like a textbook formula. This isn't some. This is some experience that you guys have been through and that you made it through. So I respect that. And I realize that, you know, the crazy thing about being in a relationship and having distance between you is it really can bring you closer to the one that you're missing. You know, it kind of is almost, I would say, almost a great test to see how close you really are. You know what I mean? Because being,

like being so far from someone could bring you so much closer, you could learn so much about someone, you know, through text and then more through the phone as opposed to waking up next to him every day. So I think it's beautiful to give each other that time apart. And that's when you really know when that person is still all you want. That's who that's special for you know. I definitely have been able to experience that. So that's a beautiful thing you know. And it's a key part in any relationship.

I think in any mayors, the key to it is having some distance between you know what I mean. And having someone who you energetically match with. You know, one thing that's the most important thing. That's the most important thing right there, because this is funny, because I don't know how to even say this, say this properly around or whatever, but I'm gonna just say like,

when you have sex with someone, will you feel that you guys are equally energetically on the same level, that's how it's really supposed to be, right? Because in other ways, I just hope people realize that because if not, if you're not with someone who you energetically feel like you're on the same level with, then that person could be taking away from you. It could throw you off track. It could uninspire you. It could do all these crazy things.

So it's important to realize a power, that energy, that you have when you, when you with somebody who can match your energy. Definitely. Sexually. No, absolutely. And I'm so glad you raised that because, so the Sanskrit word for celibacy is Brahmacharya.

Now celibacy in the Western world feels sounds like abstaining from sex. That's what you think of the word celibacy. Brahmacharya, it translates as the proper use or direction of energy. When you talk about a poor energy exchange, when you're just wasting energy, when there isn't an equal energetic exchange, that's why we feel drained, we feel depleted,

we feel... Or afterwards, you're like, oh, this is the waste of my time, or what? Totally, yes. How are you feel like? For many years later, it takes. But when you have someone of equal energy exchange, that impression is so much more powerful and deeper. And so I'm glad you brought that up because I guess the question though is like,

obviously when you meet someone, we're all at different stages, even in our vibrational energy. Right. How do you know? Because today we live in a world where anyone can use the language, everyone can say the word energy. Right, language. Everyone can say the word energy.

Everyone can use the word vibration. Everyone can use all the lingo and you think, oh yeah, this person, they've been reading about chakras. And how do you actually know that someone is of a similar energy in a relationship? How do you look for that? And I don't think there's a formula or there's a perfect science. I'm just you, how do you look for that? Because, and I don't think there's a formula or there's a perfect science.

I'm just saying, how do you look for that? How have you found that look for that? It's only one way, feeling it. It's simple as that. You can, it's something you feel. And you have to really be in tune with yourself, right? That's another reason why I'm working on yourself is so important because the more you in tune with yourself,

the more you're able to feel like this isn't right, right? And it could make sense in a lot of other ways. You could be like, all this person is my ideal of like the perfect person in my head, you know, like physically, but it just doesn't, well, I don't care. Like you disregard those feelings when you put that egotistical spin on things, right?

Or you put the like, the image or like the expectations or things, check marks, you think you should be hitting, but it's really just a feeling process. When you realize when you have the feeling of that feeling, you're just being productive, I'm not ever, ever going to physically be involved with anyone if it's not productive. you know? And I feel like I'm being productive, you know what I mean? And that's how you should feel with your partner. Like you feel like you're being productive, you know? And you feel like you have a good feeling about it.

Yeah. Anything else is just kind of like, you know, you think that you may, and, and, and fun. Yeah. And it's fun. Yeah. You know, if it's not fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's fun. Yeah. You know, if it's not fun, productive, and all these things, and you know, if you feel weird or feel like you're

wasting your time afterwards, and that's probably not right for you, you know, and you can eventually kid yourself for a little while, but eventually you're going to move on or someone's going to happen. And, you know, yeah, I think one of the things I look for in energy exchange in every level is the idea of, you know, it's almost like how long have your energy's been invested together deeply. When my career started to take off, I would often point to an achievement and

look at my wife and say, love me for this. Look at what I did. And then I'd win another award. And I'd be like, look at this, I love me for this. And she wouldn't feel anything. She wouldn't respect me. Like she wouldn't care about that. Yeah. No, that she wouldn't respect me. She wouldn't care about that.

And she would be happy for you. She'd be happy for me, but she didn't care about that. She didn't love me for that. But I was saying, validate me for this, love me for this. And then I realized that I was trying to get her to love me for what my achievements are when she loved me for who I am. Isn't that beautiful? Like that was the most deepest reminder to me that my wife's been with me since when

I was in $25,000 worth of debt, when we were four months away from being broke, when I was pursuing my purpose and no one cared and I had five people turn up to hear me speak. And my wife's been through all of that and she loved me then and she loves me now but she's never been enamored by the achievements or the successes. She has always exchanged energy with me on the level of she loves who I am. So she had to love me that way to remind myself,

to love myself that way. And I think that's what I look at as energy exchange is to someone remind me to love myself through how they love me. Like, there's the way they love me, it reminds me to love myself for the real reasons. And that, you know, that is just undefeatable. Like, that you can't beat, that's the champion of love. Yeah. Because you're like, you're teaching me how to love myself,

based on what I actually should love myself. Man, that's the gigantographer from experience. Yeah, it's, it's, it's real. Like real. Like, I've been that man that has wanted the validation of my wife for my medals and my honors. I want you to give it to me. I felt frustrated. Wow. Because I felt, well, I can get more attention from some of us for these things.

But then you go, but then do I want attention or do I want affection? Like, do I want validation? Or do I want validation or do I want something to value me? Hmm. Validation is conditional. It's conditional man. And come and go quick. Yeah, come on.

Where's off? It's like a new sweater or something, right? Like you have to eventually wash it and it starts to deteriorate. And as opposed to letting someone for who they are, that's more like, unbreakable, right? That's like that. Undefined, undefined. Yeah.

Sean, what have I not asked you today? What's been on your mind, your heart? Well, we've not gone because I feel like, I know it's hard to say this, but I really do believe this. Because the last time we were getting to know each other, where we've gone today, we've gone to some places. We have gone to some places today.

As in, this is without a doubt, even though it's hard to say, it's even better than the first conversation because of our openness. We have a relationship, a deeper relationship today. So, the places we've gone to and the things you've said today, I'm gonna have to listen back to this one. Keep doing what you're doing, man.

Like, the job you're doing is fantastic. Like I tune into so many interviews. I love your book. I can't wait to have you write the forward on my book. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. And just say everyone listening man,

you know, I know you're going through whatever you're going through just do the best you can. Stay strong. Don't give up on yourself. There's no losing. You can maybe think you're losing, but you only lose when you stop. It's not such a thing. It's losing if you don't stop.

It's only just learning and developing and getting that experience and wiser. You just sharpen in the sword, being more of a master. So, you know, stay strong. And everyone, I know some people don't know where they're gonna even sleep tonight. Some people are going through a real crisis in their life. And just know that I'm not just saying this to be politically

correct or anything like, I really am sending you guys guys love I really am sending you guys like some light in You know that miracles can happen in your life and you accept that you know accept plea like accept your miracle Because they happen every every day and oh yeah, thank you, you know, it's a I don't know what else is new music That is beautiful. Yeah, new stuff coming out and, yeah, I don't know what else to say. Yeah, I mean, everyone, make sure you go and subscribe across all of Big Sean's platforms. Yeah, yeah. You can see it with YouTube, whether it's Instagram, Facebook, Spotify, Apple, wherever you're listening. Yeah.

Look out for him at Coachella this year. Oh, yeah, crazy. When your music is dropping right now. Crazy, crazy. Is music dropping around the birthday as well? I don't know around the birthday book. Probably more so at Coachella this year. New music is dropping right now. Crazy. Is music dropping around the birthday as well? I don't know around the birthday, but probably more so around Coachella. Okay, around Coachella. Okay, so I got some new music.

I'm trying to see if I'm going to preview it there or put it out right before. Got it. You know, figure it out. We're figuring it out. Me and Janay have new music coming together. So our 2088 project. Yes. We can talk about that more deeply if you want to go into it.

You want to give it without a need. That's you know. Maybe me and her that more deeply if you want to go into it. You want to give it with the beauty. That's you know, maybe me and her could come and do a special one. I would love that. Oh, that would be sick. Yeah, or maybe all four of us. That would be great. Would you have that? Let's do that. That would be so though. That's another time. But um, because I don't want to speak for her. Yes, yes, yes, yes. You know, that's our that's our thing together. But I can just let people know that it's coming and what else? I mean, you know, just keep doing it and thanks for all the love on the last one. I gotta say thank you for the love on the last podcast we did.

It was crazy and man, congrats to you. Mental health on the men's health magazine. Is it, it's men's health, right? Yeah, it's men's health, yeah. Men's health magazine, that's amazing. Thank you bro. Well bro, it's just a change in the whole narrative. Doing it with you is amazing. Like I think, you know, you said that what magazine, that's amazing. Well bro, it's just a change in the whole narrative. Doing it with you is amazing.

Like I think, you know, you said that what we're doing is amazing here, but this is energizing. Yeah. Like this is energy exchange at its highest level because you keep me going too, man. Like having this relationship with you and having these conversations with you, that energizes me.

It affirms my belief in what I'm trying to do. Yeah. And so, yeah. I see like billboards that you everywhere and stuff like calm app. I'm like, you know, Jay is going crazy right now. Will Smith. And that was what a crazy moment that had to be that was working with them. It's been one of the great craze joys in my life. Yeah. One of my special human beings as are you in the world and just he's an it he's like has a glow on him right

hey really does shut out will and it's real and it's real like he's you know in the whole family just amazing you can tell he's like human yeah I mean you know yeah keep up keep up the great work man see you next time thank you man everyone who's been watching at home what I want you to do like you did last time you shop on Twitter and Instagram tag us on what resonated with you, what connected with you. There were so many incredible nuggets of wisdom today that Sean dropped and we went back and forth and we grappled with and then you saw our thought pattern and we finally got there.

There was like this whole journey that we went on today and we hope that this conversation inspires conversations back at home. When I started making content, my whole goal was, I wanted to create stuff that you could send to your friend and say, this is what we were talking about last night. Yeah. We're thinking about. And I wanted to create something for you that helped you have deeper, more meaningful conversations with your friends that you might not always get to have. So I hope that this starts millions of conversations around the world that deepen your bond with your friends, your loved ones,

that allow you to have more compassion and love for each other and will world. And ultimately, as Sean's been saying the whole time today, allow ourselves to not judge, to really understand that everyone's going through something. So thank you for listening to On Purpose. Thank you to our main man, Big Sean, for turning up today. New music, Coachella, so much more and there will be a part three.

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