On Purpose with Jay Shetty - Corinne Foxx ON: Coping With Anxiety & Being Kind Even When Life Isn’t

Episode Date: January 31, 2022

Do you want to meditate daily with me? Go to go.calm.com/onpurpose to get 40% off a Calm Premium Membership. Experience the Daily Jay. Only on CalmCorinne Foxx sits down with Jay Shetty to talk about mental health. Diagnosed with anxiety at age 14, connecting with people became a challenge. She shares how coaching and therapy helped her get through her most difficult times and how she’s giving back as a volunteer after receiving help from others. Learning how to meditate and have the freedom to be creative continuously strengthens her resolve to keep sharing her talents with the world.  Corinne is the daughter of actor and singer Jamie Foxx. She is also a model, actress, a television producer, and became the DJ for the second and third season of Beat Shazam. In 2019, she starred in the horror sequel 47 Meters Down: Uncaged. Want to be a Jay Shetty Certified Life Coach? Get the Digital Guide and Workbook from Jay Shetty https://jayshettypurpose.com/fb-getting-started-as-a-life-coach-podcast/What We Discuss:00:00 Intro02:51 Filming 47 Meters Down in London05:21 Living with the “You can do anything” mantra07:07 Getting help from life coaches and therapists10:53 A lot of people don’t feel they deserve help12:43 Yin Yang father-daughter relationship15:20 Different positions we have in our family18:04 “My mental health journey” - Corinne23:41 Forced therapy backfires sometimes29:10 Volunteer work at the National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI)32:30 Meditation is a mental health toolkit35:48 When is your most creative moment?38:40 Daily meditation practice39:51 Are you an introvert?42:12 Why listen to Am I Doing This Right? podcast47:24 Other people’s habit or principle that amazes you51:55 When you’re nervous, at least know your lines53:56 Corinne on Final Five  Episode Resources:Am I Doing This Right?Corinne Foxx | InstagramCorinne Foxx | TwitterSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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are kind of starting to really want your own independence. It's like now I have to lean on my parents more. And so yeah, I mean, I think another thing, and this isn't just parents, but this is like everyone is being like, oh, well, that's normal. Or that's, you know, everyone feels that way and not validating someone's reality. I think that's something I seem to be very detrimental

for people. Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world, thanks to each and every single one of you that come back every week to listen, learn and grow. Now today's guest is someone that we've been in touch with for a while. I've been wanting to speak to her and I couldn't be more excited to welcome to the podcast, Corinne Fox, an actress, producer, activist, and CEO. She was the executive producer of the Netflix comedy series, Dad Stop Embarrassing Me,

which was inspired by her relationship with her dad, Jamie Foxx, who also starred in the series. She's also filming a key recurring role for the second season of the Hulu comedy series Dolface, the me and my wife we've been watching. And she's also the co-hosts and DJ on the Hit Fox television show Beat Shazam. In August 2020, she launched her own podcast alongside her best friend called Am I doing this right? Which acts as a guidebook for young people on how to kickstart their adulthood. Which I love listening to. Corinne, welcome to the podcast. Hello, first of

I loved the way you said adulthood. Oh, yeah, how do you say adult? Adult. Yeah, we don't say adult. No, you guys say it the right way. 100%. Do we do say the right way? I'm not sure. I mean, I think so. Yeah, we had we had movies named so we had kid-outhood. Adulthood, have you ever seen any of these movies? No, I've never heard of that. They're actually really good. They're all about the street culture in London.

So, oh, no, I've never heard of it. I forgot that. Yeah, I, I, I'm, I'm really happy when I get reminded that I still have my British accent because all my Brit friends are constantly teasing me that I've lost it. Really? Yes. No, I mean, it's going to, it goes far in America. We're like, what British accent?

Like, I could listen to you all day, but hearing that intro, I mean, it's gonna, it goes far in America. We're like, what? British accent? Like, I could listen to you all day. Hearing that intro, I'm like, can you read that to me every morning, please, please. Well, well, for me, it's the other way around because every time I hear something in an American accent, it sounds authoritative, it sounds like a TED talk. It's really, I grew up, when I stepped foot in New York City when I first moved to America five years ago,

I was like, I'm in a movie. Because to me, everything looks like a set because I grew up watching American television. No, that makes sense. I mean, New York, when you go to New York, it really does feel like that. Like it really holds up and you come to LA, you're like, wait, what?

Like it's kind of, it's not as beautiful as there's some grimy areas where you're like, this isn't have that magical New Yorkness to it. Well, you were just saying you love London. I love London. Tell me about your experiences in London. You were there for a movie, you said. I filmed my movie, 47 meters down on Cage, which is a shark movie,

but we filmed in these huge tanks in London. But London is my- What do you mean, it's playing like, please? Yeah, please. So the entire movie is set underwater. First of all, I lied to the director and told him I knew how to swim when I didn't know how to swim. And yeah, they built these huge tanks

where they had these really intricate sets underwater and we were scuba diving in the movie. We get lost in these caves. And so we spent months under the surface of the water. So we'd go into work at 6am, it was dark, go under water, see no light, then come up at like 8pm, and I didn't see the sun for, basically didn't see the sun for months.

Wow. I know, and I'd have like a little light in my trailer, there was like little UV lights, because I was like, this is gonna like negatively affect my mental health. So I was like, I would sit in like roast in front of the light at my lunch break. Well, you actually didn't see the sun.

Oh, no, I actually didn't for months. And they did that as part of getting you into character. No, no, no, it's just because we had to shoot underwater. So you go inside, you go underwater, you come out, it'd be dark. Then you go do it the next day. And so it was like, yeah, I don't know if I'll ever shoot a movie underwater again. I feel like I got my the taste of it from that. That's, that's the last time you lied about being able to swim.

Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be truthful. You know, it was my first role, so I was like, I'll do anything. You know, you're like, oh yeah, I can totally swim. It's such a great swimmer. And then they throw you in the tank the first day and you're dogging, paddling, and they're like, wait, did we guess the wrong girl?

How quick is that learning curve? Because how are you? I mean, when you're swimming for your life, it's pretty quick. It's pretty quick. No, I mean, I had to pass this swim test. The first day I didn't pass it. And they were like, red, get it together.

I was just dating my boyfriend at the time. And he's like a lifeguard, like certified, whatever. And so he was like, okay, these are the techniques to use. He was sending me YouTube videos. And the next day I went and I passed this swim test. And they're like, okay, you are the techniques to use. He was sending me YouTube videos. And the next day I went and I passed this one test and they're like, okay, you can doubt shoot the movie. I love that. So your boyfriend's like, this is how you pretend

to be able to do front stroke. This is back stroke. No, it was literally treading water. It was how to tread water video, YouTube videos. Wow, I love that. That's amazing. What gave you the courage and confidence to be able to say you could do something

and then figure it out? Because I think that that mindset often works against us. Like people have imposter syndrome. Or they feel I can't do it, so I can't even put my foot forward. What gave you the confidence to say, I can do that and I'll figure it out, what you did. I do suffer from imposter syndrome a lot.

But honestly, and it sounds tacky, but I really think my dad was a big push in that and the fact that my entire life, he told me, I mean, this is a big statement. You can do anything and you are so capable and I just heard that constantly. And so when I got off with this role and I didn't know how to swim,

I kind of heard him like, well, you can do anything. And I was like, well and I didn't know how to swim, I kind of heard him like, well, you can do anything. And I was like, well, I'll figure it out on set, which is what I did. But I really was instilled this confidence that like I was capable at a young age. And so I felt confident to do it. What was your first experience of that when going back with that father-daughter relationship? Like, when was the first time you felt you were hearing that from him? And what was the first few things you started doing based on that?

I feel like he set up my whole life. When you're a child, there's not that many things that you have to meet in that way. I think a lot of that came when I was dating in high school and things like that and really instilling in me my worth. And just having little petty high school, you know, breakups and being devastated and him just being like, there is no man that like can ever take care of yourself worth

and like, do you know, he always says, do you know who you are? And I don't think he beans in like my last name, but like in my essence and like how powerful of a woman I am. And I just felt that I think specifically at that age when I really needed like a male voice that was like giving me that confidence when like, you know, I had little breakups here in there. Yeah.

Well, you are definitely a powerful person. I'll thank you. You're doing so many incredible things. You are producing, you are an activist, you're your host, you're on podcasts. Tell us about what are you doing to balance all of that? Because I find that, especially in, you know, your generation, my generation, there's this ambition and drive to do a lot of things. But when you turn it from idea into implementation, things get real.

How have you managed to be able to dabble in so many things, but still, you know, figure yourself out? Um, it was tough. And there was, recently, I realized, okay, there's a lot on my play and there's a lot of different hats I wear. And people, I have to be the producer and then I have to be the actor and then I have to be the host

and then I have to be this, that. And I realized, okay, I can't do all of this by myself. So I actually, this year got a life coach and I don't know if you've ever had one been one, I feel like you could be one. Yeah, I'm a life coach and we have our own certification school. Yeah, because you're definitely looking. But really just having someone sit down with me

and prioritize, okay, like what do you want to accomplish first? And like how do we get there in making deadlines and making? I think it's just hard when you have so many passions to figure out like where do I start? And it's easy to start a bunch of little things and then not really get to the end of them. And so I really needed that structure. So I meet with her every week. We go over my priorities. We figure out what days I'm going to do what? That's a big one is scheduling in. Like I will send this email at this time. I will do this because things back up, you know, and it's so easy to get behind. So she's been a godsend and her plus

my therapist equals healthy Corinne. See, I love that. So I actually want to dive into that because I think, see, I love that. So I actually want to dive into that because I think today we're hearing a lot about a lot of people you hear say, well, you know, speaking to my therapist and you just said that obviously you've been figuring out life of your life coach and planning and scheduling. Tell me how you find therapists and coaches help you personally differently. And like you just said, now that healthy career in the equals life test like therapists, which I love. What are they bringing to you?

That's different from each other because I think we're living at a time where people are kind of becoming what a way a therapy is. But I still feel like coaching is an unknown art. Yeah, I really didn't even, when I went looking for life coach, didn't really know even what I was looking for. I just knew I had this need that with my therapist,

we go through trauma, we go through, you know, you know, my emotional states and how to like overcome some things. And then I felt like I needed somebody to help me, not an assistant in a way, but someone who was just helping me prioritize, you know, all these projects I had. So I feel like there's like a type A, type B side to, like my therapist is for my type B creative side that's messy and

All over the place and then my type A side is like my life coach. He's like let's schedule and play on everything Yeah, I love that. I've I've always seen it is Therapists help us make sense of what's going on and then coaches help us make things happen Yes, that's a great simple way to say. Yeah, it's this idea of therapists. They help us unpack our past. They help us untangle what's going on. They help us really move on from our past.

And then coaches help you go, well, where do you want to be? Yes. Let's use your present to get there. 100%. And I encourage everyone to have both coaches and therapists in their life because I think that's a brilliant. What even urge you to go out there? Like, how did you think about that? What was going on in your life where you were like, I need help in my life, because I think asking for help or looking for help, either from family or friends, sometimes we could even get

in our own way. I was speaking to a friend the other day, and he was telling me how someone in his life just, no matter how much he's trying to support or facilitate, that person won't accept help. How do you feel we can all open up to accept more help in our life and know that it's okay to want help? I think it's a self-worth thing. I feel like a lot of people don't feel worthy of help or don't, don't want to be a burden. And I think for me, I mean, when I was diagnosed with an anxiety disorder at age 14, I was a type of person where I was like, I want to go to therapist, I want to do workbooks. I want it like I was just very much so like, I don't want to be held back

by this. And so I think I applied that later on in life when I was realizing, okay, I'm feeling confused. I'm feeling lost. I don't know where to start. I don't know how to finish things. Like, now I need a different form of help. And so I feel like I was just someone who naturally gravitated towards that. But I do think it's about feeling worthy and feeling deserving of help and eliminating that feeling of being a burden on someone else. Absolutely. I love that. That's such a thoughtful answer. Thank you for that. Because I think so many people right now are going to be listening to what you just said. And I'm hoping that if you listen deeply to what Karin just said, that's going to urge you to

break through that. Yeah. And on the other side of it, I think people love offering help. You know, people want to feel needed and want to feel purposeful. And so you're also giving people an opportunity to show up for you. Yeah, I think giving and getting are both privileges. It's like that idea of if you have something to give and you're able to give, that's an honor. Yeah.

And for someone else, to have someone to give that's ready to receive, that's an honor too. And I think you forget that. So I love that. I, you spoke earlier about your father and the advice he gave you and how that's kept you going. But then you also have a show called Dad Stop Embarrassing Me.

So, so Dad's on one end, it's like, oh, Dad gave you this really good advice. Yeah. And that's like Dad Stop Embarrassing Me. How many times have you felt both those emotions in the same day? Every day, every single day. No, I mean, my dad and I have such a funny, like, yin yang relationship where he is this, like, over the top, performative guy who's drawing attention

to himself all the time. And I was, you know, more reserved and quiet growing up. And so that was just this perfect storm for him to embarrass me. And because he's drawing attention to himself all the time when you're a teenage girl, that's the last thing you ever want your dad to do, regardless of if he's famous or not, you want your dad to fight under the radar. And so we had all these funny moments of like him doing too much

or showing up at like my cheerleading game, wearing like super tight clothes and me being like, ah, that's so embarrassing. And so we just wrote episodes and pitched it to Netflix and they loved it. And so it was such a cathartic thing for the both of us because at the time, I was really embarrassed. You know, it wasn't a joke at the time when you're 16, 17.

It feels like the end of the world. So it was like full circle for us to look back and like laugh at these things that maybe at the time weren't as funny. Yeah, I love that. The thing I love most about is I'm not a dad yet, but I can imagine that if I, when I become a dad, and if I'm lucky enough to have a daughter, then I feel like I'm going to be, I'm going to be doing crazy things. Right? Yeah. Like what would be your advice to people who are about to become dads of the warnings of one of the things that embarrass

and one of the things that are good? I mean, at the end of the day, that's I think that is part of your job description as a dad, like embarrassing your child. I think it's part of it. I think it's a right of passage for kids to go through. So I don't really want to steer away from it, but I would say in my dad's experience, my dad was very, he likes to play pretend

he was a bad cop with boyfriends. Yes, I can imagine. And he's not at all, he's like an emotional actor. I mean, he cries all the time. He's like not like that at all, but he loved to put on the, you know, I'm gonna bring my shotgun, you know, that whole thing.

And that was just like, dad, I'm learning, just let me give me this vase to just grow and figure this out. You don't have to fight my battles for me. We have an episode in the show. It's episode two, I think, where he goes knocking on the boyfriend's door with all of his friends. And he really did that in real life to my high school boyfriend. He went knocking on his door to try to, I don't know, scare him off.

I don't know what to do. I was like, that's amazing. What do you think it is when, as kids, I feel like when we're growing up, we're sometimes we embarrassed of them, sometimes we embarrassed for them, sometimes we embarrassed for ourselves. But then as we grow older, I feel like a lot of us develop a sense of gratitude and connection. Was there every time where you felt you were bitter or resentful towards your parent, not for anything legitimate, but just as a young kid growing up, where you really you were bitter or resentful towards your parent, not for anything legitimate,

but just as a young kid growing up, where you really just don't, how were you able to overcome that? How do you think that healed over time when you kind of like, oh, I really wish they didn't do that. Something more serious, not as funny. Yeah. And then how do you kind of overcome that as an adult? Yeah. Well, my dad just put out a book, but he talks about in the book. We went to therapy together when I was in high school or maybe in college. Because we were kind of budding heads a lot and I felt like he really didn't understand

me. And so I feel like for me, I was really lucky because both my parents listened to me and they were able to like at least let me have my platform, even if they didn't understand. And I think it's very normal as a kid to go through it. Like my parents don't get me and they don't get what I wanna do. And we definitely had those moments where, and it's funny to say this, but going to college,

my dad went to college, we didn't graduate. So he didn't really understand like how impactful that was gonna be for me. And that was actually a point of contention for us where I was like, I'm going to college and he's like, why, you don't have to go? Like you can just get into the industry. And I was actually a point of contention for us where I was like, I'm going to college. And he's like, why? You don't have to go. You can just get into the industry.

And I was like, no, this is what I want to do. And I need you to respect this, which sounds crazy to be telling a parent that, but he didn't really understand. And that was where times where I was like, you just have to listen to me. And then when I graduated, he was like crying. And he was like, oh my God. Of course, this is such a huge accomplishment.

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to, you know, generation generations. And I feel like our generation is a lot more aware of, you know, our mental health and the things that have happened to us and like healing them now, so we don't pass them on later, you know? Yeah, well, thank you for including me in your generation.

You're much younger than me. I don't think so. You're like, yes. You're millennial. Yes, yes. Oh, we're both young. Okay, okay, okay. But that's a great segue because months ago you posted on your Instagram, Corinne's Guide to Wellness.

Yeah. And I loved that and I loved what you were sharing there. I wanted to know where did you come up with that list from and how did it develop and and why did you feel they need to share it too because I think that's that was so powerful that you did that Yeah, I mean my mental health journey started when I was 14 when I was diagnosed with anxiety and at the time There was no conversation for mental health. There was no hashtags. There was no social media There was no brands doing self-care Sunday like that just wasn't a thing and so I had to spend many years just doing a lot of my own research

on what anxiety was and how to treat it and what worked for me. So over time I developed this list in my phone, which is what you're referring to. I just screenshot it at Postman's Instagram of things that worked for me and like what made me feel better. And it was like working out, going to therapy. And it's very specific for me. It's like one, two times a week.

Yeah. You know, and I don't recommend it. And I think I don't recommend that for everyone. But I just started writing things, oh, working out works, oh, going to therapy works, oh, journaling works for me, oh, meditating works for me. And I would just keep adding to my list so that, you know, when you're having your inner really anxious moment

or you're going through a tough time, it's hard to remember all of the tools you have. You're like, I don't remember anything. So it was nice for me to have it in my phone so I could reference it, you know, if I needed it. When you went through it at 14, what would the conversations like at school, or like with friends or with, even your parents?

Like, I can imagine that, I agree with you that now we're living at a time where you just open up a social media app and that we someone talking about mental health or someone sharing something or a brand's doing something or there's an event for mental health. There's more therapists and coaches in the world. At that point, tell me how that dialogue went for you in terms of getting the diagnosis and then figuring out next steps and how did people respond at school?

What did kids know? Did your friends know? No, no, I didn't feel comfortable enough to share it. I was really, really ashamed of it. And I felt like I didn't want to be called the C word, which is crazy. And because I didn't really know what it was and people weren't talking about it. So I went years where I didn't tell any of my friends. I immediately told my parents though because they got to the point where I didn't want to go to school. I was

so anxious that I couldn't even sit in a classroom. So I knew in my head, okay, something's wrong. I know other kids can't be feeling this way. And that's how I got started going to therapy. I had the same therapist since I was 14. I love this woman so much. But yeah, but but no, it took me a long time to be able to like, and it sounds weird, but like, come out and say I have anxiety. And I did that through an article I wrote for Refinery29 in like 2017, 2018. And I was terrified. I was really terrified to tell the world that I had anxiety, which sounds great, not too seward, but it sounds unbelievable now because there's so much of a conversation for it.

Yeah, absolutely. And what were you experiencing then? Like, when you said you anxious to go to school, what did that feel like and what did that mean at that time for you? I mean, there was a lot of physical anxiety symptoms. It was like my palms were sweating my, you know, my heart's being out of my chest. I keep thinking that a plane is going to hit the school.

Like, I just, these irrational fears and thoughts and panic attacks and things like that. I struggled with panic disorder for a long time. 75% of mental health conditions start between the age of 14 and 24. So I was like, right on par, like 14 years old, it just showed up and I've been in there forever since. Yeah, no, but it's incredible that you've been able to find the advice, seek the advice,

build it, then be honest about sharing it, especially at a time when it is hard as a 14 year old. Not know what's going on, then you can't talk to your friends about it because you don't know how they're going to react and what words are they going Then you can't talk to your friends about it because you don't know how they're gonna react. And what words are they going to use? And then you've got the added challenge of like, well now my parents know because they have to know and where is this going.

But it sounds like when I look at that, Karin's got to wellness and I look at things like socializing with friends twice a week, right? You always said giving back once a month which I wanna dive into some of those. But I love what you said and it was so simply, but it's actually so profound. You just said, I was creating a toolkit for myself because when you're feeling anxious, you forget what to do.

Oh, yeah. But when you go to your toolkit, you're like, oh, this is, this is the stuff I need to do. And I think that's such a great way of putting it for anyone and everyone. It's like you have to create a guide when you're not experiencing anxiety. Yes. So the one you're in anxiety, you know what to look at. Let's dive into some of those. When you say socializing with friends twice a week, what was the type of socializing that helped you relieve anxiety versus what type of socializing actually created more of it? Right. Like being in college and going to a college party maybe isn't the type of socializing that's going to relieve anxiety, but I'm like meaningful conversations, movie nights,

going out to dinner, just being with like a close knit group of friends. Yeah, that definitely doesn't refer to just like hitting the town. Maybe that works for some people. Again, it's like for me, but for me, it was just having real conversations and just, you know, being in company, I think when you feel anxious or depressed, you tend to go inward and I realize, okay, I have to force myself to go outwards when I'm not feeling well. Yeah, what are some of the mistakes you think

you've seen that parents make? Like, so maybe there's parents listening to this young parents or parents with young kids listening to the podcast right now, what are some of the things that you think are really hard when your child's going through it, but from a child's perspective, or a teenager's perspective, who's experiencing anxiety, what are some of the things parents can do better and what are some of the mistakes you've seen people made, especially through your ambassador and activist work.

I'm sure you're hearing a lot of teenagers say, well, my parents don't understand this or my parents are pushing this. What are some of the things you can give us to think about? I mean, I'm not a parent, so I don't know. I think what my parents did really great is hearing me and then coming up, like, what are we going to do now and making me feel like really safe in the fact that they were going to find me someone to talk to and like, you know, get me there and things like that. But I also really wanted to go to therapy. And you know, get me there and things like that. But I also really wanted to go to therapy and so I don't know if like forcing a child is not ready. That could, I saw that with other friends of mine really backfire and put a bad taste

in their mouth for therapy later on. And so I think it's really like just being present, listening to what your child needs and if they're coming to you, like feeling honored because it takes a lot to share with your parents, you know, especially at that age when you are kind of starting to really want your own independence. It's like now I have to lean on my parents more.

And so yeah, I mean, I think another thing and this isn't just parents, but this is like everyone is being like, oh, well, that's normal. That's, you know, everyone feels that way and not validating someone's reality. I think that's something I seem to be very detrimental for people.

Yeah, well, thank you. And yeah, I completely agree. I know you're not a parent, but I always feel like it's interesting for parents to hear it from kids. Yeah. And it's almost like we've all been children. And I feel like we've all been children.

And I feel like we forget that when we become an adult or you become a parent and sort of hear it from a, and even what you've shared about your friends and saying like, actually, what we don't want is that everyone listens to this podcast and then goes to their kid and says, you need to go to therapy. Look what, you know, and then that kid's like, but I don't want to go to therapy. And then what you just said that when someone feels forced to do that, that actually ruins that experience for them even in the future. And so I think that's a great insight that I think could easily be missed because I think

a lot of people do hear a piece of advice and then go, okay, well, that's what my kid needs to do, but being present, listening is usually. Yeah. And there's other outlets for anxiety. There's music or there's, you know, like, there's other things for anxiety. There's music or there's other things. I really love journaling as a kid. I just grew up doing it. I still do it now.

That was so cathartic for me and almost as healing as therapy. And so if that's not the thing, and this is a whole thing when I talk about mental health, it's trial and error. It doesn't work for everyone. So you have to try one thing and be like, oh, okay, that didn't work. Let me try this. And that's how my list was created. It was I did a million other things besides the 10 things on there that didn't work.

Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Me and my wife actually started a new, I don't know, maybe when this is out, it would already be a maybe not. We've been doing a new series of doing things together that's meant to relieve your anxiety. Oh my gosh. It's so great. Yeah, and so we went last week, we went to this video's not out yet, but we went to a break room. I don't know if you've ever been to a break. Oh, were you hit things? Were you hit things?

So we were not feeling stressed or anxious that day, and actually being with my wife is like one of my favorite things. Like I love filming with her. I'm always just like, if I could just be with you all there, it would be amazing. And so we're off there to this rage room, to break stuff. And we walk into this room and it literally feels like I'm in a set of the movie soar. Oh my gosh.

Yes, I know exactly what you're talking about. And so you walk in and then you see all these like computers there, there's bottles, there's everything. And then there's like all these different baseball bats and lead pipes and all this kind of stuff. You don't want to be in there with the wrong person. Yeah, you don't want to be in there. And the thing is, you know what was really interesting?

Me, my wife went in there and we walked out feeling more anxious than we didn't walking in because we realized that we don't like breaking stuff during that, but even if I was stressed, I was like, I don't really want to break stuff. We were like, my wife's holding the bottle and you know what my wife's like? And she's holding a bottle and she's like, like, she didn't even want to break it up.

And then I'm like, trying to break stuff. And I'm using all my force when I'm like, this is not making me happy. It's actually giving me anxiety. And then I read a study afterwards that said, if you're anxious before, it relieves it. But if you're not anxious before it creates it. And I was like, I shouldn't know this before. I picked the wrong day. I picked the wrong day. And the best thing, well, the funniest thing was when we came out, I was talking to the lady who, you know, was there and knew about the experience. And she was saying that people come there when they get divorced or breakups. And then they often put, like, pictures of the person. And then, you know, I was like, oh, that makes sense now. I get it. But

again, it's like different things work for different people. That day we also did a splatter room, which is where you get lots of paint, and you get to paint canvases. Oh, that's cool. And it was so fun. Like, we were both just like, I would do this every week, because it was so nice to make a mess

without it having any repercussions. Right. It's like a different type of mess than the one before. Totally. And I will say though, for one of my self-care tools is like whenever I had a break up, I always took up boxing at that time. And you know, like, you know,

and it was very cathartic. You picture your ex's face and you just punch it, you know? And so, but exactly when you're in that space when you need that outlet, it makes sense, but when you're just going in, it's like, this feels not good to me. Yeah, exactly. Going to a more beautiful one, giving back once a month.

I wanted to ask you about that. Like, first of all, when did you discover that that was something that really helped you and give me some examples of the things you've done over time, especially when you were younger and now today as well? Like, what are some of the things that you've done that you felt were really a big part of that giving back that made a difference?

Yeah, I mean, my philanthropic work and my advocacy work is some of my favorite work that I do. And so, because I am ambassador for NAMI, the National Alliance on Mental Illness and because I work with other organizations, like, I get to do that on a large scale very often now, but before, I was just something I had to put

in my schedule when I was at USC, I used to just volunteer at a local homeless shelter every Sunday or Saturday morning, and I just, you know, give the meals and things like that. And so I think just thinking outside of yourself, because again, when you're anxious or you're depressed or whatever, you get, you get, you get so consumed and you get stuck in a rut in your head and when you think outside of yourself, like, oh, someone else's needs right now. And at least for 30 minutes an hour, like you're not

worried about yourself, you're not worried about all the things that are making you feel anxious or depressed or whatever. And so I found that to be very healing for me and then now to be able to do that on a large scale and speak with Nami and lobby congress and all that stuff. It's giving back on a bigger scale, but it still provides relief for me. Yeah, I love that. And all the studies back that up and show that, like even when we're experiencing anxiety and stress, when we go and relieve the anxiety and stress of others, or feel like we're working on that, it massively impacts how we feel.

So that's such a great job. Not to just do things for myself, but it does, there is a reciprocal thing when you're giving back, and we said that earlier, you're also getting something from it as well. Yeah, absolutely. And when you're in some of those rooms,

like when you're loving Congress, or like standing up for a ride ride or do you ever feel like, what am I doing? I can't believe I'm here, like from having experience anxiety to now like being an activist and that's an amazing journey in and of itself. Yeah, when I lobbied Congress with NAMI, and I remember we were getting off the bus at DC to walk up the steps of the Capitol. I was like, every anxious moment panic attack was worth it to be standing here

because I felt like, you know, those very few moments, you know, I feel like everything's come to this moment. And there were days where like the struggle was real, you know, I was really having panic attacks. I really didn't wanna go to school. I really didn't want to go to school. I really didn't want to do these things. There was a time in which I couldn't leave my house.

And I was just like, wow, to go through all of that to overcome it all and then to be standing here and championing for somebody else. It just makes it feel like it wasn't for nothing. Yeah, absolutely. That's what I'm saying. I love that journey because I think when you can see it and wherever you are, if anyone is listening or watching right now, wherever you are on that journey, that journey of you from school to the capital is full of tiny little

steps. Yes. Oh my gosh. It does not happen overnight. Yeah. It's these tiny little steps, these tiny shifts, these tiny changes, and then you get this big moment where you get to stand up for something you believe in, which is beautiful. One of the other habits that you wrote down, which I loved was God's spirit, connect, church on Sunday. And I was thinking, is that something that's been a part of your life since you were young? Yeah, I was raised. My mom was a very new age growing up.

And so at the time, like, love attraction and all that stuff was like very woo-woo. And I didn't really tell kids at school that that's really what we were doing at home. But now, of course, everybody in LA does it, but which I love, but yeah, it was like very normal for me. We used to go to a gope, I don't know if you know. Yeah, yeah. And so I grew up there, like going to their kids room.

And so I still watch it now, you know, it's you know virtual But yeah, I think my meditation practice too is like a huge part of my Metal hot toolkit and just sitting and getting quiet and connecting and Feeling like there's something else, you know, or there's meaning to all of this For me is really relieving. Yeah, and that's and and is there been a habit that you've continued, even during the pandemic, I guess, you're saying virtually or how has that been sustained during this time? Because I feel like being present with people is such a beautiful way for that connection. Yeah, it's tough when you can't be in the room, but I do virtual, I do virtual meditation classes

with unplug and I do virtual, I just do virtual everything. I love it. Yeah, that's amazing. It takes a bit of, I was actually saying that we, I set up with two of my close friends. We set up meditation communities together during the pandemic. Wow, that's so cool. And so, me, them and then their friends, their family, every week on Zoom, we meditate together.

I guide the meditations. And it's just been so beautiful and meaningful because we've got all these amazing friendships that have come out of the Zoom. And I didn't even know half the people on there. I didn't know anyone on there actually, beyond this person. And now a year and a half year later, I literally feel like I've got all these new friends. No, it's so weird how like you you make these Zoom friendships because we had to, like, this is nothing like we were just saying,

but I was in like a French course over this last year. And like, these two girls on my French course, I just flew out to Boston to meet them in real life because I was like, I feel like you're my real friends. The people were like, you've never met in person. I'm like, but you could have, you know, after, you know, a year of zooming with somebody. Yeah, absolutely. And you have to get creativeming with somebody. Yeah, absolutely.

And you have to get creative in that way. And you have to realize that I found that what was really fascinating is I found that if you do something meaningful in the center of a group of people, whether it's virtual or physical, you create an amazingly deep bond. Yeah. But if you do something meaningless, whether it's physical or virtual, you actually don't feel close to those people. And so it's like the reason you're coming together is actually so much more important than even coming together.

Right. And I saw that just transform so much of my life in the last 18 months where relationships came from places. I didn't expect them to because I didn't realize that even if you did something virtually, but it was powerful and meaningful and purposeful, the quality of that relationship was far greater than if you just hung out on a Zoom. Right. And so, yeah, anyway, I don't know if that's useful. No, it was. No, I completely agree with you.

Yeah. When do you feel you're, we were talking about this earlier and we've really talked about your mental well-being and your journey with that, but you're such a creative, whether it's like DJing, whether it's producing, writing. I wonder when do you feel most creative? And what do you feel is your greatest superpower when it comes to creativity? And when you access your like, oh, I felt that.

That's tough because I feel like my creativity manifests in so many different ways. Like, you know, I'm an actor and I'm a writer as well. And I consider myself a dancer. I'm not professional by any means, but I grew up dancing. That was like my first performative love. And so I feel like my most creative,

honestly, when I'm alone, like I really get into this, and maybe it's that like tortured artist thing that you kind of have to do. But really when I'm alone and I sit and I get quiet and in my meditations, that's where my podcasts came from. I was sitting in meditation and I like opened my eyes and I'm like, I have to do a podcast. I don't even mean like you kind of just hear things

and so I think for me and I'm so lucky that my partner and my boyfriend, he understands that like for me to be creative, I have to really sink in and before I have auditions or before I go on set, I have to kind of have the day before to really just, I think it's just really getting connected with yourself. You know, I think that's why I need that quiet alone space. And so.

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I'm the same like before something big, whatever that may be. For me, it's the same. I need to be alone, I need to be quiet, I need to be in my own thoughts. Yeah. I don't want any distractions. So I relate to that fully and I find that it's important. What you just said, there is a really big lesson. With the people that you and I find that it's important what you just said there is a really big lesson.

With the people that you love around you, it's important you explain that to them. Because otherwise they just start to think like they're doing something wrong or like they don't understand you or they've made a mistake. And it's so important like what you just explained that my boyfriend understands that when this is happening that this is what I need,

I think that's such a healthy way of communicating. Yeah, I'm very lucky that my boyfriend is also a writer and director. It also needs like his own time. So it's like we were a great match. But yeah, no explaining to him like, hey, it's not you, but like if I have an audition like the night before, like, you know, I need my time,

I have to get into the character and like, I'll call you right when I'm out, you know. Yeah, and I love that the name of the podcast is exactly the sentence you would say during meditation. Am I doing this right? I mean, it's a question we ask for a lot of things, but because you said you got the idea while you were meditating, I was just like,

yes, there are many times in meditation where the thought in my head is, am I doing this right? Oh yeah, and I always tell people when they are afraid to start meditation, I'm like there is no right way to do it. It's not. I used to think meditation was levitating in your living room and like, you know, rising from the ground. And I was like, no, if you could just get quiet for like two minutes, one minute, like, and then now I'm like, I sit for 30 minutes every day. But yeah, I know a lot of people think,

yeah, am I doing this right? This has supposed to feel like, am I supposed to have like some profound, that my epiphany is not my normal meditation. Tell me about that meditation practice. You said you went from like one to two minutes to now 30 minutes a day, like, what does that look like? What are you doing for that 30 minutes? What time of day it is? And how are you practicing that?

I wake up first thing in the morning, let my dog out, and then that's when I meditate, we get back inside. And I mean, it started with just sitting for 10 minutes and just learning how to follow my breath, which is great for anybody who's experiencing anxiety because when you can, you know, when you can lower your breath, you lower your heart rate, and a lot of your anxiety symptoms go away. So that was like, being very practical anxiety relief, that helps me.

But then I started to really love the spiritual side of it. And then it grew. And now I'm doing, I have crystals and there's sage and it's a whole, it's a whole thing. So it's a production. Yeah. It takes a long time. My dog's sitting there like really, where you have to do all of this every time. I love that. That's so important though, because that creates so much like a foundation in your day and a certainty and like It creates an environment that you love walking into and yeah, and it's just like the best way for me to get in the right head space to do things like this to you know Go out in the world and I'm an introvert so I have to like charge up before I go out, you know I can relate to that. Let's talk about that because I reckon everyone who's listening says going, you guys are not introverts.

You're not introverts. Yeah. No way. Yeah, definitely. Like I have to like self-preserve. Yeah. So much to have energy. And if I go to an event, if it's my event, it's different. But if it's, if I'm going to an event, I would just try and find one person to have a deep meaningful conversation.

Like, yeah, like I would, yeah, I wouldn't introduce myself to everyone because not because I'm anxious or scared by it, but I just really like deep connection. Yeah. More than I love, you know, wide connection. Right. And that idea of just just being able to have like lots of small talk throughout the night, just doesn't fulfill me in the same way. And I also, I feel like I spent a lot of my life being an extrovert during my teens,

but then I feel like I became more and more of an introvert because I realized the value of being alone, especially when it came to making big decisions, especially when it came to like sticking to my guns on an idea I had and no one agreed with me. And as I started to realize that the more time I spent with people, the more their voice became louder. And I was like, no, no, but I want to follow my heart.

So I feel like with all of that, my favorite thing to do without a doubt on a weekend is sit with a bunch of books, make notes, read. Listen, like I could, I've do that with my wife's traveling or not with me. I would literally just do that and I'll order in. Oh, that's my favorite. That's my favorite thing to do. You too? Oh, yeah, yeah, same. Exactly. I mean, I feel like I'm an extroverted introvert

where I can go out. It's all coming out now. It's all coming out now. Yeah, it can be on, but then I have to go home and I can't see people for like three days and I have to like completely go inward. And so yeah, it's just about charging and then like, you know, going out

and right feeling purposeful when you are out, like in having meaning when you're out and not just, I do, I do get drained. You're just like, hey, how are you doing? What's the point? You know, all of that. Yeah, no, absolutely. And that's why your podcast is great because you're asking the question, am I doing this right? And I think that that question is such, that question's like, we ask it to ourselves all the time. Like I'll be sitting as an interviewer, going, I'm gonna do this right now. I'm asking the right questions. And I do it when I'm an interviewer.

If I'm being interviewed, I'm sitting there going, I'm doing this right. And then it happens when I'm writing my book. It happens when it's a question that we ask again and again and again. What have you discovered by asking that question, by sitting and having these amazing discussions on the podcast, what have you learned about that question

and understanding what is right? Well, it's very simple, is that no one knows what they're doing and no one thinks they're doing it right. And I think that's what's really bonded us with our listeners because I think they're like, okay, finally, someone else is admitting that we have no idea what we're doing and we're supposed to pretend

like we know how to do these things. Our podcast is a life-how-to podcast, so we go through very confusing things in adulthood that you think you're supposed to know, but you don't really, how do I file my taxes? What is a 401k? I don't know. Yeah, all these things

that you're supposed to know, and you don't, and you're never taught in school. And it's like, okay, we're gonna stop pretending that we have it all figured out, and we're gonna at least me and my co-host my best friend Natalie are gonna admit, we don't know anything, and we'll figure it out for you. Yeah, I love that, I love that,

because even for me when I moved to US, I had to learn a whole new thing. Oh yeah, that's why I was like, I don't know if you even know what a 401k is. No, no, no, no, you do Yeah, I love that. I love that because even for me when I moved to US, I had to learn a whole lot. Oh yeah, that's why I was like, I don't know if you even know what a forum can you. No, no, no, no, I do now. Yeah, but it was like when I moved to the US, so in the UK I relied on my mom because my mom was like a financial advisor.

That's what my mom is. Really? My mom's in a can. Oh yeah, my dad's in a can. So I was like, okay, they've got me covered, they'll figure it out. And then I moved here and I was like, oh, and then I was like,

try to get help from them, but none of them could help me because everything, they'll figure it out. And then I moved here and I was like, oh. And then I was like, try to get help from them, but none of them could help me because everything's different over here. And so yeah, I've had to learn about every aspect of it, which it is so complex if you haven't learned it at school. I wonder whether you're gonna do a crypto episode? We did a crypto episode. Oh, yeah, amazing.

We just, it's literally called a preschoolers guide to crypto. I love it. And like when I tell you, we like are hand holding you because it was something people have been talking about. They use big words. And me and my boss friend are like, we are, she's a art major. Like we don't know any of this recreative people.

And so we were like, well, look it up. And we'll explain it to you. We also like drink a glass of wine every episode. So it's fun. And it's not like a boring TED talk. We want it to be like you're going to drinks with your girlfriend and you're like, hey, what's crypto?

And you're like, oh, it's this. I love that. Yeah, and that's awesome. And I think that's how we all want to learn. We all learn more through conversation than we do through whiteboards and whatever it may be. Yeah. And that's sort of approach.

But what's been the most popular episode? I mean, I always ask that question to someone who has a podcast because I mean, treat to hear about what people are like really like wanting to learn. What's been your most popular conversation that you've had? We had a, we did an episode on morning routines and we researched how billionaires start their day. And that one got a lot of hits, I think.

We don't only do like personal finance. We started that way and then we were like, wait, there's a lot of other things in adulthood. Like we need to figure out which is like morning routines, nighttime routines, that you know, going, we just did an episode on going to therapy. And so, but that one, we got a lot of hits on,

I think because I don't know, people want to have successful mornings. Like we were saying,, me meditating in the morning starts my day off for success, so very interesting. Oprah wakes up at 6, 10 AM naturally without an alarm clock, which I was like, I can never do that. I love that.

Yeah, no, I've read those. There's such incredible ones, because I found that I think it was like, and I might begin this wrong, but I remember when I looked at that, it was like 63% of the most successful people in the world get like seven to eight hours of sleep. They're actually getting their sleep, contrary to popular belief,

which is that you have to sleep four hours if you want to be successful. No, a lot of them do. A lot of them woke up later than I did. I think somebody, and I don't want to say it was Elon Musk a lot of them do. A lot of them woke up later than I did. I think somebody, and I don't want to say it was Elon Musk, it was someone who was like woke up at 10 or something. I was like, wow, like they're really getting a lot of sleep.

Yeah, you're like, I should just like have at 10. Yeah, why do I wake it up early for? Yeah. No, I think these things are so important to study. And I was saying this to someone earlier today that, so a lot of people today we struggle because we're like, oh, well, we don't want to be compared to this ideal or like, why are we looking, what others are doing. But the truth is that you have two options when you're looking at success.

You either look at success with envy or you look at success with study. But we both have to look at it. So some people are looking at everyone going, oh, I wish I had that or, oh, God, why they, you know, trying to be perfect or whatever, all we can look at it and say, well, what can I learn from that? Yeah. How do I apply that to my life?

And I feel like studying healthy, wealthy, and wise individuals is a great way to live because it helps you figure out what parts of it you want to apply to your life. Yeah, yeah, 100% and like like I said, like I'm not going to naturally wake up at 6 a.m. I'm going to need an alarm clock, but it is, it's one, it's interesting. And two, I mean, I think you can start to like find little things that you can apply here and there. And the rest of the episode goes into just like healthy morning habits.

We only use like dot govs dot orgs. So we don't just like pull from, you know, random article. But we find things that have, you know, real science behind it. Yeah. What's been a habit or a principle or a way someone lives or even a financial thing that surprised you? Are you like, that's so cool. Like I didn't know that.

Is there anything that stood out like that? I'll share one while you're thinking. For me, it was, we had Russ on the podcast. And I was, obviously, asking him questions about creativity and music. And he was saying that his favorite thing to do and we'll both align with this. He was saying his favorite thing to do is get all of his friends out of the studio, not invite anyone over, go into the basement or go into the studio and make weird sounds that he would only make if he was on his own. That is so.

And so he would be like, yells into the microphone, he makes a weird sound, he screams and he goes, if I had my friends in there, I would feel so judged. Yeah. But I wouldn't do that. So he goes, for me, the best creativity is being alone and just making weird noises. And then I'll discover something,

like, oh, I wanna find an instrument like, oh, I'm gonna do it. Yeah, like, yeah. No, that's really, really interesting. No, I mean, I haven't had anything like that on our podcast yet. I'm trying to think, I mean, like, this is not as cool at all.

So I don't wanna say. Oh, no, I'm just gonna. No, we were really surprised. We were looking up also, in this morning routine's episode, what a lot of people eat in the morning. And you've been like sold that you need to have bacon and eggs.

Most people have oatmeal. And I was like, I don't like oatmeal. But maybe I should try eating oatmeal because most billionaires eat oatmeal. Do you know why that makes me more happy? I've been eating oatmeal my whole life for breakfast. Yeah, I recently switched to chia pudding because I found out that I have a slight allergy to oats.

Oh, you do? Yeah, so I switched to chia pudding, which is actually much nicer. Okay. Well, you're already on your way. I mean, you're a huge... Chia pudding, blueberries, strawberries. That's your... That's your morning.

That's amazing. It's such a great morning. Okay, I need to be on that. And like you said, it's all personal. Like, you know, like I ever, I did a micronutrient test recently, which is what helped me realize that I have a slight allergy to oats. But also like oats was leaving me feeling bloated

or uncomfortable, whatever it may be, whereas chia seed pudding has been amazing for me. So, yeah. Yeah. I guess we're going to redefine what billionaires eat in the morning. Exactly. It doesn't have to be oatmeal academy.

No, it doesn't have to be. And like everyone makes, and that's the whole thing with like my toolkit. And like that's like, it's a choose your own adventure thing, but I think when you have the knowledge of what to do, that empowers you to make the most, you know, conscious decision for yourself.

Yeah, yeah. What are you most excited about what you're creating right now? Like what's a role that you're playing that you've just deeply dived into and you're just feeling it or even if there's something coming up that you're creating right now. Like what's a role that you're playing that you've just deeply dived into and you're just feeling it or even if there's something coming up that you're just like,

this is challenging me in a way that I know I'm growing. Yeah, I'm pretty sure by the time this comes out, this will be news. I just sold my first TV show. Congratulations, it's huge. Yeah, two weeks ago. And so that has been such a journey for me. I've been working on the show for like five plus years.

I wrote it. I created it. Are you in it too? I'm in it as well. And so I just sold it. And so I think for me, this is like this new challenge for me. I've, I've, I've EP to show before. The one on Netflix that's up embarrassing me, but I've never been the creator and the writer

and the EP and the actor. So I mean, it's gonna be this whole new ballgame for me. And so yeah, I'm really excited to go down the path. I'm terrified. But again, to circle back to the beginning, like I feel like I can do it. Yeah, absolutely, of course you can. And congratulations.

I love that you've shared that with us. And I love that because you're taking on just so much, I mean, to write, create, direct, and be in it. Which part of it do you enjoy the most, or is that a bad question? They stretch different muscles. Tell me about what they stretch, because yeah, I get that.

Like, what does each part of it do for you personally? I, again, I'm a very type A type B person. So I need the, like, rawness and then the role in the in the show for myself is, she has this beautiful journey and this beautiful evolution of self and discovery. And so, like, to be able to be in her shoes, I'm so excited to do. But then also, like, from my producer side, like, my type A side, like, I can't wait to get everything in line and, like our cast set and like I like checking boxes until like that's gonna give me, that's gonna like theme that side of myself. So it's like this perfect balance

of like my creativity's just being stretched in both ways. Life coach and therapist is really what it is. Here we go. I love it. What do you think is the most scariest thing you've ever taken on and the most challenging thing you've ever taken on? Is this going to be it or what's up to now? What's been that thing? Personal or professional? Personal or there's been a few, but I would say professional. I did a live special on ABC of good times. It was a live performance. We were doing a one night only thing with Jimmy Kimmel was hosting it.

Violet Davis was playing my mother. I was playing an iconic character, Thoma Evans. And it was terrifying. Also Tiffany Haddish was in the cast. I mean, it was an incredible cast. And then like, in Pastor Syndrome, me. And I'm like, what am I doing here? Can I, I've never done a play before?

And essentially, this is what this is, and it's live for millions of people. So it was absolutely terrifying, but the way I coped with that fear was to come in so prepared that nothing could shake me. I knew this performance, frontwards, backwards. I did it every day, 10 times a day. My boyfriend was like, gonna go crazy, because I was just saying my lines, saying my lines, but it worked out because you get there in your nervous and you're like, at did it every day. Ten times a day, my boyfriend was like, gonna go crazy

because I was just saying my lines, saying my lines, but it worked out because you get there and you're nervous and you're like, at least I know my lines. Totally, I remember that. Except the funny thing for me is that I'm sure you've experienced this, whenever you turn up with all that prepping and knowing your lines, they always change your lines on the day. Oh yeah, and you're like, wait. They give you a new script. Like, I just, luckily we were going from a original episode so we could not, we weren't gonna go for a script, but that does always happen.

Yeah, no, I love that. Yeah, because I always get there, I'm like, but having said all of that, what you just said is spot on that when you've done that prep, you actually feel like you can adapt to whatever's thrown at you. Right, and that's what I've learned

with being an actor and with like, when you really know your script, that's when you can play. But when you're sitting there remembering your lines, you're not present, you're not in the scene. And so, I applied that there, which was an acting thing. And I was just like, the more I know my lines are more fun, I'm going to have doing this because this is the scariest thing I've ever done.

Yeah. I love that. I love that. All right. Karen, I could Karen talking to you for fun. For hours and hours and hours, but we end every episode of on purpose with the final five.

Okay. So these are the fast five questions have to be one word to one sentence maximum. Okay. So it can be whatever sentences, I don't know. It's having the words nine words, I don't know whatever. Okay, so the first question is, what is the best advice you've ever received?

Always save a little love for yourself. Oh, I love that. That's such, I've never had that before. That's beautiful. What's the worst advice you've ever received? That wearing uggs was a good idea. That's one. That's one.

Tell us why, that's two. Because I have a lot of horrible red carpet moments when I was 10 years old, and I look back at him, like, why would I wear uggs on a red carpet? You didn't choose those, did you? Or you did? I probably did, I don't know. I love that.

All right, what gets you excited and gets you excited when you're waking up out of bed every morning? My sisters. Tell us more, I'm gonna have this. Oh, okay, oh, then I can explain. You don't have to I'm intrigued. The heads of my sisters are 13 and 14 and I look forward to hearing about their days every day because they're at this pivotal age really the age where I was diagnosed with anxiety and

to see them growing and changing every day. It makes me so excited and also I'm just so hopeful with all of Gen Z. They're incredible. You guys have it way more put together than we do. I love that question number four. What is your current purpose? So how do you define your current purpose? Being a voice for those that feel silenced. I love that. Fifth question. If you can, and this can be going longer, if you could meet your younger self again today, your 14 year old self, what would you tell her?

It's funny, because I answered this question today, but I would tell her it gets better. I was also bullied in high school, and there was a time in which you feel like it's the end of the world. And I wish I could go back to that girl and be like, it doesn't only get better, it gets spectacular and it keeps going.

And you're only gonna go up from here. And I think when you're that age, you just everything feels like the end of the world and it doesn't, it isn't. And yeah, it isn't. And, um, yeah, it hasn't been. That's beautiful. Corinne, thank you so much for being so, so vulnerable, so open, so generous with your time and also your energy and just, I think everyone is going to listen to this. It's going to have a great

time. I think there's moments where we're laughing, there's moments where people are having really profound moments and I love just how What I really admire about you is just how focused you are on your well-being and Yourself and I find that that's such a brilliant foundation for all the success you're creating from there Because often you find that people are doing a lot of successful things they're making things happen But their personal health and wellness is kind of all over the place. And so I really appreciate that.

And I think you're setting a wonderful example of how that's the foundation of everything that's to come. Oh, thank you so much. Thank you so much. This was such an honor. Seriously, I can't believe I was on your podcast. Again, Oprah was on your podcast. How am I on your podcast?

No, you were here because you are showing all generations to come just how to figure out our life step-by-step, keep that love for ourselves, remove that self-judgment, beat that imposter syndrome, and this is exactly what we all need to hear. If you've been listening or watching at home, I want to make sure that you tag me in Karin on Instagram, on Twitter, on any platform you're listening on and let us know what were the takeaways.

What were the nuggets of wisdom that Karin said that you're going to repeat, maybe you're going to say to yourself, maybe you're going to say to your kids, maybe you're going to say to your parents, whoever you're going to say to, please do tag both of us because I love seeing what you're learning and what you're taking away. Karin, any final words or anything you want to share? Oh my God. And no, again, this has been such an honor and I mean I'm such a huge fan of you and your wife. I said that my first walk did here. I was like where's your wife?

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