On Purpose with Jay Shetty - Dennis Rodman ON: Dealing With Negativity & Using Pain To Find Your Potential

Episode Date: May 11, 2020

NBA basketball star Dennis Rodman is known for his fierce determination & colorful personality. Though Rodman’s life has been full, he admitted to Jay Shetty that finding true and lasting happiness has been a lifelong & elusive pursuit. Rodman and Shetty talk about the highs and lows of basketball, how to juggle parenthood and identity, and the power of finding community when it is needed the most. Jay and Dennis celebrate the joy and purpose that comes out of pain. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And people start to gravitate that around the world. We live it around the world. And now today, that's what we talked about. What is the big things you want to do in your life? I've done it. I've created an image in the in the sports world that people have praised him. created an image in the sports world that people have phrased. Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world,

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I'm grateful to be sitting in front of an icon, Dennis, thank you for doing this. Everything's good, man, you know, it's a beautiful day today. Yeah, it's an absolutely beautiful day for me. I'm lifting this, you know, spirit today, you know, not to my sadness right now. So, it's clear that I hit,

trying to, you know, get over the, some of the negativity that's going on around the world. Yeah, absolutely, man. Absolutely. And that negative around the world, I mean, I know for a lot of people, obviously, we're just, you know, as you started there, we can talk back, look back a few days ago, you know, a few months ago, we were fortunate enough to have Kobe Bryant on the podcast and we spoke to him. And, and obviously we find this news out a few days ago. I mean, you actually played with him. Oh, yeah, I played with him. I didn't ask him. Sad, right? I mean, I was telling him about it. When it first happened,

you know, this guy over here showed me something on TMZ. I said, this got to be a joke because it's TMZ, you know, most people laugh at TMZ, both crap, right? But he showed it to me and said, wait, I mean, this thing happened, right? And what he got around really, really quick. It was really, really, really, it was one of those powerful moments where he was like, wait a minute. This, since it didn't happen like this, you know, because over the last 20 years, especially like 10 years, we the last 10 years,

we lost so many people, man. We lost so many people. So true. And this was in the self-reflection, it was more like, it was like, it's more like a damn thing. You know, it's not even a wise thing. Absolutely. Really about all people. Exactly. So that's how I looked at it. Yeah. So unexpected. Right. And I've never seen which was beautiful. I've never seen the whole world respond and stand up in that way. I think the last time I experienced, I was like Michael Jackson maybe. It's been a long time till where you see like not just athletes, but everyone in the world like showing their prayers, their love. It was actually striking.

Did I see something like this? There was amazing. There was a lot of shit. Correct me from wrong. A lot of shit. And I said, I saw Jesus walk down a golf course. And people realized what I was saying. I said, do you see Jesus walk down there?

Because I saw fucking Tiger was come back and one of the damn master and had everybody gravitated to him. And Mike Arroy gave him that privilege to say, man, go ahead. This is your turn now. That's the last time I've seen something like that. You were talking about, I was just not saw on TV.

Oh, you saw on TV. And then if you really want to take it really back, it was a tragedy and maybe somewhat unfortunate incident, the old J thing. That's only for two days, I could really think of. That's really, there was a really striking the last 10 years. So, yeah, for mine, everything's a bit longer.

Michael Jackson and Princess Diana. That was probably the two in my lifetime that I'll definitely win this in that way. But thank you for sharing that as well. And I mean, where I wanna start is, and I wanna hear it from your own words, because I think when anyone is, as in the public eye as you are,

and the people that we see, and the people that we perceive, everyone has their version of who they think that person is. But what I'm interested in is, who is Dennis Rodman in the current version of how you see yourself. Who is Dennis Rodman? I think I just laid him with some cool stuff right there. What, you know, OJ, you know, is that Michael Jackson, not Corby? And I was trying to put that in perspective for me. Who is the Nisharaman? Let's see. If it would have been me that that died. I would have had a whole different effect in the world. People would have celebrated. There would be no emotion. Or this is what he

was. Suffolk like that. But for Kobe, it's stuff like that. My level of power and control about things on this planet is different. People expect me to do some things. They want to expect me to do the Kobe thing. They expect me to do the cool stuff and have breaking news on a world okay great, then it's going to do this for us. Then it's going to do this for us. Then it it's gonna do this for us then it's gonna do this for us then it's gonna do this for us and deciding about night when trying to do this I'm just fortunate to be able to put my foot in the door it's okay you know what we try to see how this gonna work and for me it's not about the money the praise and accolade show I give it that if it happens it happens I think people looking at me

and more like, wow, he's still living, you know, he's still living. How we don't know. Well for me, I understand that I could put severe and sudden tragedies, so no, so madness, and so madness and people looking at me such a creative and a weird light, you know. And it's very difficult to explain who I really am, you know. In the beginning, I was such more like a diverse individual, but now it's more like people expect me to do something great, to do something really big. And if I did something that's going to be really normal, he just looking for, you know, some attention, but do something really big, that's different. And that's why I'm at my love my life right now. They want to see me do something really big. That's different. And that's why I'm at my love my life right now. They want to see me do something really big again. You know, not because they say my life or help my life is more like, wow, it's unexpected for that guy to do it. Not the cold reason,

not the micrature and not this tiger was for me of all people. You know, so I think that's, I think it's because you're good light about me. Yeah, absolutely. And what does big mean to you? Like for you, when you think of doing something big for the world now, and you feel like that's what's expected, but what does that mean to you? I don't need to really prove myself anymore. You know, I'm expect to be this human being that's that's fortunate enough to be in this situation.

You know, there'd be what's more like a, you know, when it's a hard task, anyone to try to do anything, that's really creative, because life today, life today is really moving fast, and it's so dangerous to live life today. It's so dangerous because now we expect people to die quickly. Back then, the emphasis, the guys in the 60s stuff like that, we had a train back there 15, 20 years ago, 25 years ago that the number 27 is going to weird. Do anybody know about this? It. So number 27, every entertainer was done at 27.

At 27. And nobody knows this. And they say, wow, I didn't know that. Yeah, I didn't know that. You know, I mean, why not? She got it, 27. All the great artists between the 60s and the 70s, all that at 27 years old. Oh, wow.

27. Wow, it's just, I was 27. I mean, what's this better have the sex? That's how we're not gonna be a superstar. But it was, it's just, it's just so we're people today don't really look at life so seriously anymore. They don't, because it's moving so fast because we need, we need some, we need some type of Agility to keep our mind moving in the right direction. Yeah, and it's so hard to sit there and try to control people's mind and in an impenetency to say okay, great. Here's some positive stuff for you today

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You know 2020 is gonna be important because everything you hear is by 2020 High-sighted 2020. So what would you do 20 years ago? to know what you do everything's 20 20 and you ask people what does that mean? What you think it mean What do you think 2020 means today? Because we've been using this time for a long time, 2020. You know, you can go to I.O. or you've got vision, 2020. You're like, 22.

Well, hopefully you're going to find clarity. But most of the time we get 10, 15, 15, 20 and stuff like that. But I was just saying, but it's a 2020. It's a significant part can be this year, pretty much. And I just think that if people still really take time out to think, cause the world is moving so fast right now. And like I said, we had a couple of tries this year

and it made us think for a minute. And then when we, let's go happen to us again. Next week, we're all slogging some world down for a minute and open our eyes. It can happen to us in this day and age. Because I see a lot of people in 50s and 60s but doing so many hard drugs, so many stuff in the world, man.

And you see these people still living today. Why is that? And you see people inflicting themselves with pain and stuff like that. And I do it a lot. And that's why I'm surprised. I'm still here. But everything is happening because we're inflicting all this negativity in our lives. And we respect people to come and give us positive

positivity energy every day like this right here Just like this right here you do it for a living right? And I want to insult you anything like that, but I don't know who you are. I'm being honest I'm no clue who you are But these guys gave me some information that the fact that you must get a powerful voice. And that's why I'm here to show my voice with you. I'm grateful, though, that man. I have no issue with you, not knowing who I am. I have no, I have no, I have no, I have no clue. I said, but I just heard so many good things as I walked up here. And it's like, wow, he's that, he's that good because you're the

32 years old. Yeah, man. I'm just very grateful that I met a lot of amazing people when I was young. So it all goes back to my mentors, my teachers, my coaches. It's not me. I can't really take credit for them. Just very fortunate. I met a lot of amazing people when I was young. Yep.

Awesome. Yeah. So it's like, if I bring them to you up, the subject, Kim Jong-un. Yeah. Let's go there. Let's go there. Let's go there.

A lot of people always ask me about that. Kim Jong-un. I think people ask you about that. But, and I'm doing it differently because, I think my perception, and this was saying to the team before as well is, I'm more fascinated by you, your choices, the way you live. Like, I heard you say that, you know,

the only demon that you're fighting right now is convincing yourself you're a good father. Like, what's father had been like for you? What's your favorite thing about that question? You hate that question. I hate that question. Why do you hate that question? Because I'm doing it to myself.

You're doing what to yourself? Pain. So that's a great place to... That's a great place. Yeah, we are a great place. Because I'm doing it to myself. You doing what to yourself? So that's a great place to Yeah, we want to go there. I want to go there. I will need to go to get down there. That's down a road, right? Okay. Now, no, man, it's just hard.

It's hard to understand how you became such a great human being in the beginning of your life and all of a sudden. It's all about, you know, you don't care about what people think or what people do to you, what you're listening to, like I said, about their self-inflicted. But for me, it's more like it's me, me, me. I can give it to anybody pretty much. That's why I care. And that's the tough part. Why I don't know. I don't know who I'm like that. Yeah. Sorry. What helps you think, because you were saying earlier that, and I agree, I'm totally with you, and you said that the world is moving too fast.

Gandhi has a beautiful statement. He said that there's more to life than increasing its speed. And everyone's trying to live this speedy life right now. We don't have time to think we're focusing on distractions. I'm totally with you. What helps you think in process? Where do you find time and space and gaps and the right people that you've got in your life that help you think through this type of stuff? Or where do you want to find it?

Well, it's funny though, you know. I was, I was asked people in Newport Beach. Have you been in Newport Beach? I have, yes. Right. And I asked people in bars restaurant, I said, do anybody realize that the fact that do any black people live here I asked people all the time and

before do any black people live here you know probably you love the lot your life hours lived a lot but I said was like, you know, here in New Black people living in Newport, besides me, Colby, Shag, who else, and a couple other people that they got money. And like I said, but things that move me so fast, even the sports world, even the sports world, it is so, it is so, it's so hard and dangerous to live the sports light now. It's hard, man. Yeah. Because it's more like, okay, great. And when it comes to

religion and pride and and and color and individuals and stuff like that, I guess, so cigatata here and this stuff about black white, like I can stand, I can not stand it. It is this, you know, it gets to the words when we're too down fast, but it's amazing though. It is amazing when you see black and white. And that's what I was trying to say about the COVID thing. I was like, wow. All I saw was around the world, black and white hugging each other. Wow. around the world, black and white, hugging each other. Wow.

But we wanna put certain things in our lives, to screw it all up. But it takes something like this to bring everybody together. Yeah. And that's the sad part. I'm with you. That's the sad part right there. And it's no matter what what what color creed you are. But it takes this type of this type of

mess to put everyone together. Yeah. And for me, I've been like that from day one. I'm care man. The only thing that I can seem to figure out is that question. that I can't seem to figure out. It's that question. Why I'm a bad dad. And I think it was good that, but my kids ask, I suck. And I talk real, I don't care. A lot of people like me because I talk like this. And it's still a go, every day, it's difficult to get up. Yeah. All the time. Sometimes you want to die, sometimes you want to sit down so I can flick pain to yourself,

sit down and fix the whole problem. But for me, you don't seem like that's working either. But for me, I think I need someone, maybe my kids are sitting me down and saying, hey, pay attention. It's not all about you every day. I think that's what I can, I need you right there. Wow.

That's going to open a door on my eye as they say, okay, great. Let me pay attention to my Kia's finally. Wow. So. Thank you for sharing that, man. Thank you for opening up. Absolutely. And I'm with you on that.

There's two points you raised there that I think are super powerful. The first one is, why does it take a tragedy to bring about unity? And I actually went and did a few mini-dogs last year where we went and focused on areas in the US that had gone through tragedy. So like the the hurricane in Houston and we looked at some of the shootings that happened in Orlando and because of that so many communities that were initially against each other actually came together. And that's exactly the question that were initially against each other actually came together. And that's exactly the question we were asking.

And sometimes it's the same for us. Like, what you're sharing, like, sometimes it's the same for us. Like, unfortunately, sometimes until we experience deep pain, we don't feel forced to change. And I'm sure you've experienced in your life where deep pain brought about big changes in your life. Yeah. That right there is a good statement. That's a great statement. I think the deep pain for me has really elevated my whole life as for thinking.

You know, sometimes I understand it, but sometimes I don't understand it. But it is hard to really, when you've done so much in your life, it's hard to really wake up in the morning and wonder, what can you do? It's different. It's going to excite your life every day. You know, I hear a lot of people say, you know, I've done everything in the world. I'm one of them who said, what's love for Danish rock? Yeah. There's only one person I heard Joe Walsh say something from the Eagles. So when he was speaking at an event, I remember a few years ago hearing him say that, I wonder how much of what you've experienced though, and you could be honest with,

I don't know the answer to this, I'm asking as a student of your life, how much of when you say you've done everything, how much of that is material versus spiritual? How much of that is internal versus external, trying stuff out? spiritual. How much of that is internal versus external trying stuff out? I think when I start talking like that, I'm always joking about this, this whole thing. I think I see why I'm talking like this, but I talk just like my mother. I talk like my mother because she's a, you know, spiritual person. I never been so spiritual in her life because she's been planning for the church for like 50 years, 55 years, piano and she believes in the spirit of love. But I every time I start talking,

it's like that when I said, that's my mother talking. And I still say, I don't know a lot of things my mother's got in the past. And I'm like, wow, man. And I put a smile on my face and I start thinking about her. Because she sees, like a lot of the mothers in the world, they've been to a hard, hard stretch in their lives. In the 40s, the 50s, 60s, you know, and now things are easier. But for me, I just think that God, man, I just look at the whole lot of cool things that's happening in my life and see what what can I do to bring it forward in my life and see what I can

do to bring it forward in this life. I'm trying to do something about as 20 people, as 20 people, 20 questions and focus on the last 20 years of your life and show me hindsight in your life. And your life, 20 people, 20 questions, 20 years, 20 years, so let's give me 20 years of your life right here. That's a great idea. That's it. 20 years of your life show us your life.

And see, you know, I don't care where it is, what generation, what have this existence, you could be five years old, you could be 25 today. So I'll be 25 years, 20 years of your life to this day. Wow. I like that. So it is them. People are so fascinated by you. Who would be your 20 people that you're fascinated by? Like I'm like you said, like you've done everything. Like I'm fascinated to know who you would be fascinated by to ask that question. So I think that's a brilliant, that is the best idea I've heard. year. Well, that's a great idea. But I want to basically get 10 kids on the age of 10.

Okay. On the age of 10, see what they would say. They were born 20 years ago. I want to hear what they say if they would been doing the last 20 years. I want to hear that. On the age of 10,

when we get 10 kids, we get five, six, 7, 8, 9, years old. I'm going to ask those 10 kids because they don't give you this answer, something like, you know, I wasn't born 20 years ago. But if you throw questions at kids today, especially that young, oh, but you go to a high-farm, can you? You can sit there and do anything, and where would I fall? you can go to all these little sicker-group partners and stuff like that, but you can't tell me what you would do 20 years ago until now.

You can't tell me, but you could tell me about my life. Yeah. But I was like, I want to put that to kids. It's how kids responded at. Yeah. And then give me 20, give me 10 people, age 25 to 40. 25 to 40 25 to 40 now I want to hear you I want to hear your answers hear your answers I want to hear those kids on a 10 year old so it was so similar all day

I want to say our similar all day and people will be surprised. It could be so similar. It would be so similar because if you look at family's lives today, a lot of people that have kids and a parents or those and stuff like that, these kids are pretty much the parents. If you see people, their parents, these parents are walking behind the kids now. They're walking behind the kids. They listen to these kids. That's five to 10 years old. There's no control about anything in life today,

but we do have self-control in certain areas of our life. You know, it's just like they say in China and Hong Kong. They got a different regime over there. When we started speaking out about China and Hong Kong and Tokyo got a different regime over there. When we start speaking out about China and Hong Kong and Tokyo, it's a fact that we got no business saying anything about those guys. No business, but the deal is still, they love us. They love American people. They love American people and for people to sit there and say, look, a religion is around the country. And with China and Tokyo and Conqueror is knowing,

they are trying to do, they're trying to create this new regime now. They want people that's been in the, in the, in the, in the departments of whatever, that's been enough for hundreds of years, they want to see this stuff change, stuff change, stuff like that. It's just like Donald Trump,

he wants to be the first thing. The first guy to do everything first. You know, I broke a mirror together because I'm Kim Jong-un. I'm gonna say, yeah, you did. Don't forget that black guy. Don't forget that black guy did first. Okay. So she said, you know, but those things that their people don't understand about life, I think you do because I think you have four religions about really cool stuff in your life at 32 years old. You say you use a Buddhist, right? So make stuff like that.

But it's just a beautiful way to look at life through my eyes and through your... and try to see some type of weakness and some type of consistency as for what's happiness and joy with people. I try my, we'll see that. We'll see that. But it's difficult to see because too much negativity in people. You know, people next door, we're here with sitting today, you get the hell away from

me. Quick. You know, but. But I love that experience. That's a great idea. That's a great, I'm just saying. People, people would love to tell you get the hell away from you quick, right?

But then when you go to an airport, people are so sad in our voice. The madness sad. Madness sad. You're getting more happiness in a hospital. You don't wanna f You doing a airport. Why do you think that is? I'm just saying, you're gonna throw up my stuff like that.

You go to a hospital, you'll get more happiness there to do what you're getting in that airport. Because again, it takes that, it's when we're in that deep pain. Well, that deep pain is something like that. You know, everybody in the airport is so, that it's so like rush, rush, rush, rush, rush, rush. But you can't go in there unless that plane goes somewhere. Okay, so you sit rush, rush, rush, rush, rush, but you can't go

in there unless that plane goes somewhere. Okay, so you sit here, you don't want to sit by next to somebody because of, you know, if I sit next to them, I'm like, I'm going to go sit there and watch my hands, silent taste, but I feel okay, you know what, you know what, we're so like disease to people, okay, great. So, boom, if you go to a hospital, at least people cry, at least people crying for reason. These people are sad for reason. These people are doing one thing, trying to bless the whole spirit to help, help, help. That's right, there's a whole different story right there.

Okay, so when you need a hospital, and doctor say, it's okay, it's okay. Don't have to run away. It's okay. It's okay. Don't have to hide away. This is my voice. This is my choice. Understand that one. Damn. Understand that one. Okay. I mean, wait. But this is how I like to talk. I'm pretty sure you're talking a different way, but I think it's great. But I love this. We come like this way here.

So, and I can say this about me. I try not to try to go too deep into something. I don't know anything about that. I love that. Me too, man. Me too. Tell me, I want to know, you've said, you've done everything.

You've had all the experiences. Tell me, tell me, I want to know, out of, you've said you've done everything, you've had all the experiences, tell me about the most joyful experience you ever had. The experience that you had that made you the most happy for you, whatever it is. Been broke. Oh, wow, when was that? I actually normally do. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

I'm screwed, right? No, no, no, no, no. Just, I mean, it's not having money. Okay. Why was that the most joyful, happiest time in your life versus having money and having fame? And why was that the one that you chose? I mean, treat. Well, life back then, that you live a little bit.

There's no precious, there's no, there's no accoladesion to do anything that's, you know, significant to hurt other people. So you go outside every day and live, live, live and be happy, happy, happy. And there's nothing, there's nothing that is going to continue to sit to the say, okay, you got to go over here and go, okay, great. I love the fact that I got kicked out of the house. Love that. I love the fact I live on the street. Love that one because it kept me going

today. I live today. I love the fact I live on the street. Love that one because it kept me going today. I live today. I love the fact that I don't like about money because it hurts me more than anything in the world. So if you look at some of the things I've said over the years, my interview is I said, you know what? I didn't play the game for the money. I didn't play the game for accurately.

I didn't play the game to be famous. I just loved the game. I love making people happy. That's all I was saying. So that right there, it's most happy for some of it in my life. No, it was broke. Wow, that's powerful, man.

So I didn't know a lot of people who would say that. It takes a lot to say that. So you give me 20 bucks a week. I've had that best going over 10 days. It's like, all right, I've had 10 days. I said, so I'm getting to truce. That's me to do something. I'm going to do something. I'm going to do something.

I'm going to do something. I'm going to do something. I'm going to do something. I'm going to do something. I'm going to do something. I'm going to do something. I'm going to do something. I'm going to do something.

I'm going to do something. I'm going to do something. I'm intrigued to hear what you have found as a challenger where you feel like you've really broken through a fear. I brought to a fear. I think that fact that I think a man in my life called him my father. I didn't let that bother me. I say he could be my friend. I broke through that right there. I didn't let something that was so missing out on my life, deterred me, that keep living the way I'm living. So with some way that comes back in your life, and it was, it's a hurtful thing. It's awful.

Painful thing, painful. It's a distance. I'm trying not to be like him or something like that. I want to do that. I want to do that. I want to keep it in where I can say, okay, great. This is my friend. But I've got, I've got to do that right now because I could just bow down to him. It's okay, great. You owe me two or three million dollars, man. You know, you came here and ruined my life. You know, you wrote a couple books about me. You gave me a damn dime. So, and I'm like, I'm like, the first

kid you had out of 49, but you still didn't care about me. But you won't get anything anyway when I asked to me. And I said, it's okay. It's okay. Everything is going to be all right. Every little thing is going to be all right. And people don't know about that. Every little thing, not the big thing. Every little thing is going to be all right. And people don't know about that every little thing, not the big thing. Every little thing is going to be all right. That's beautiful. That's huge. I mean, I don't know many people who have been in that situation. That's huge. And that's definitely a huge fear to break through. Huge fear to break through. I just want to acknowledge that. It's important to recognize that. And it's funny that we doing, we doing your podcast here,

and they said you're the number one in the world. So I guess they're going to grave vision and a view about me and saying that we know, we didn't know some of these things about Dennis. I've written both of that interviews and stuff like that. And like I said, for you to be 32 years old and have this knowledge that I probably don't have at, you know, when I was 32 years old, you're wisdom and you're outlook and you're praise about, you know, Holy Spirit and whatever you believe in the world.

A lot of people can't get to this gravitation with you guys. And I have to appreciate that's why you're so famous. That's why this is really happening for you around the world. You're reaching to people that can't say it can't do what you do at 32 years old bro 32 years old. That's very kind man. I miss it. I miss it. I never heard this before but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna hear about it after we leave. So, I hope so. Yeah, so, yeah. No, I hope so. But no, man, like I said to you, and this is why, and I mean this, I'm not just saying this,

I mean it, like we are all fortunate or unfortunate based on who we meet in our lives and the impact that they have on us. Right. Like for you, Pearl Jan, I mean, like, you know, I want you to share about that because I think that we have people who either change the trajectory of our life, extend our lives. I was just, you know, if I'm completely honest,

I was an average kid who loved the same stuff that every kid loves, right? I wanted to date hot women. I wanted to make a lot of money and I wanted to be famous when I was 18 years old. Like, what else do you want when you're 16, 17, 18? I wasn't a saint growing up. I was just one of those people who wanted to do everything

that was out there in the world. But when I was 18 years old, I met someone, and now in hindsight, look back, when I was 18, I'd met people who were rich, I'd met people who are famous, I'd met people who are beautiful, but I'd never met anyone who was happy. And when I met this monk, I believed that he was fully happy. And now, after knowing him for 14 years, I'm still convinced that he's happy.

And when I saw that and experienced that, at 18, I was like, I want that. I don't want any of this. I want that. I want that experience. I want that feeling because I could see everything I was trying to do. So for me, it's, I owe it all to the people that I was exposed to. And similarly with you, when you do a project, like when you're exposed to certain things, that saves you from, it saves you from your own self, for your own self, pretty much. You have a pro jam. That pretty much put me on the, um, non-different levels for what's living. The game, the game opportunity, when I, you know, because I was lost at that particular

time and I wanted to shoot myself, kill myself or kill the old dinners and they just came my life at the right time, 1991. And for you to do what you do, I said, 30 chickens, 18, 14 years ago, hey, you want that. I just say the same thing. I wanna be happy. I don't give a damn about anything. I'd rather be broke, be unhappy. It's gonna be ugly. But pro-Jones, a big part of my life, I think, certain people that this has really integrated into my life.

You know, you got Darren Will, you got Terry, you got certain people that I said this, like Brian, that's really been an integral part. Jerry Bus, yes, blesses. So Jeannie Bus, bless her heart, um, failed Jackson, a Chuck daily James rich. Those four men right there, I can say his dad too, but you know, you know, they make it whole team, right?

You're the boss. Make it all to you. Bazz, what do you, right? Well, you just pick certain people in your life. Like as you said, you met this monk. And I met people like that. I guess it's four or five people right there. I mean, lay it right there.

They actually changed my life in such a different way. I always say, if you put this in a blender, you have a great human being. Cause they got different things, changes seasons, change of mind, change the way you think, but guess what they're still, they're going the same path.

And always be right. But you know what they're talking about, you know what they're trying to get you to get into and try to live your life in a certain way. And like I said, I love listening people that has more than me mentally wise. Mentally wise. You know, you give me a million dollars, three dollars. I don't care about that. You know, I would be somewhere that's happy as hell. And this has a clear vulnerability about how to live life to the day, you know, 15, 25 years down the road.

You know, I want to get to that happiness, that happy place. You know, you know, 15, 20, 25 years down the road. You know, I want to get to that happiness, that happy place. You know, you know, obviously, you know, I was happy playing basketball. I was happy as a retirement person because I'm doing now, retired, but still, man, there's something still missing for me. Yeah. So I'm still missing, man. And all I can say, I've been a lot of things in my life could have changed my world completely. I've got to die many times in the last 15 years. It has them doing drugs. Maybe alcohol, but not drugs. Drug is alcohol too, but it's first like, many times I've heard it, damn, and I look at this all the time, man. You know, I just see that man like for me, it's a happiness, it's a blessing. You know, I'm afraid of living, that's the key. I'm afraid of living. I'm afraid

to live. Maybe that's why I keep pushing on damn buttons all the time. But there's a message in that. If you're still here having nearly had all those opportunities to die in the last 15 years, there's still an experience here for you that is waiting for you, that is calling you, that's pulling you to it. And in my opinion, it's an internal experience because, you know, whatever my opinions worth, I really feel that external experiences and internal experiences, external ones are tangible, they're gross, you feel them, but and internal experiences, external ones are tangible, the gross, you feel them, but the internal experiences take some time and they, because they're harder to see and we're not trained to see them, we can miss them sometimes.

You know, I see things on TV. He's going to laugh and I say this one. I obviously say straight out. Joe Osteen, I'm just going to have to say this now, man, excuse me. I don't know. How happy can you get? I mean, I'm happy can you get? And he's like, seem like the most happy and it's like, reach on his planet. I mean, when he's thought it's speaking, I can do this. Oh my god, right? It's what I'm like, damn. Like, how happy can you get? Is anyone in the world that damn happy? It depends on you.

I'm supposed to be the all your people out there. Is anyone out there that damn happy that you have no trials and tribulations, that you need no help? Are you that damn happy every day? That would be if you defined happiness as being free of trials, which is not true. And happiness not needing any help, which is not true. How do you define happiness? I have to have played this, you know, I tried to spell it in different languages.

I try to put it backwards. I try to put it angrily. And I try to put it every different way, but I'm gonna put it angoli and I just, I just wanna put it every different way, but you know what, damn, some really the reason it comes back to the damn. Why are you trying to get that, Dennis? Why are you trying to get this happy place? I don't know, Disneyland said the same thing. It's the happiest place on earth. It's a happy place on earth when you leave

on your miss-was-hell. So it's like, okay, great. So I've been trying to look for happiness for a long time. And I got keys in my pocket. Some things work, some keys don't. So basically, I do have a key to open a door for my kids' life. I do have keys still open door for people that need me.

But I don't have a key, to open door, to keep me, you know, together. Wow, I don't, but it's around me. It's around me, man. You know, like I said, everyone needs help. I need help every day. Yeah, we all do. We need help every day, man. We all do.

Yeah. I gotta say, one of these days days I'm gonna sit down my kids And have them tell me What's up? I guess I'm cuz a lot of people don't sit down with the kids and say how you doing? What's up? No, no, okay great But I'm gonna ask my kids to sit down. Maybe in an interview You know feel they can be one of the 20 people. They want to 20 people.

I'm right here. What they have to say. What I understand in general, just I would love to ask them on TV. So people can see what I'm saying here on TV and get my reaction. I love why I won't do this. Why why won't take time out to express why how much I love you so much. But I'm so afraid of the fact that if you tell me no, I hate you that will reject you. That's my only favorite. So if you tell me no, I hate you that, we'll reject you. That's my only favorite act.

So if you tell me something like that, I'll probably do something really bad, you know, speaking wise. So I don't wanna do that, but I just, I would love for my kids to sit down and ask me three questions about my life and about them, three questions, that's it. So I want people to see what I've been saying for so many years. three questions about my life and about them. Three questions. That's it.

So I want people to see what I've been saying for so many years. And what's been seen by kids? I ask the pain they go through. Yeah. Well, I'm hoping that the way I'm hearing it from you is very sincere. Like the way I'm hearing it from you is like, you really want to learn. You, you want to throw like, I'm not hearing it from a, and I'm hoping that if your kids hear it in that tone, then their initial reaction may be what you think it may be. But after that, I think people, I think sincerity of intention, the way you're living

at this sincerity and ingenuiveness of just wanting to know, I think that will help them actually tell you the truth. I think that will actually make them go beyond what you think they're gonna say and actually give you an opportunity to hear from them because of the way you're asking it. Yeah, well, I still mean, I think that people don't understand that it takes a lot, a lot of, a lot of heart to break down to someone.

Oh, 100%. That's takes the biggest. Because that's the biggest courage right there to just let someone break you down for a day let's all break you down for a day. Let them break you down for a day. Let them see. Let me see. Let me see. Let me open up to me.

Open up to me. It's okay to hurt. It's okay to cry. It's okay to help us pain. It's okay. And whenever I do get emotional, I love being happy out there because I think I'm just cleansing, you know that day of just this misery and pain. Yeah. And I get emotional,

I love it. I just start smiling. I start smiling when I do that. And I'm pretty sure these three guys right here, these two guys right here didn't have enough. I mean they're pretty sure had a better opportunity to get emotional today. I'd be quick. Yeah. I know, but you know, this is a good format for me, just when people run the work and stand high in life. You had Kobe, you had all the great people in the world on the show. You know, a lot of people like like Kobe Tiger or whoever you had on your on your show here, a lot of people try to

outsmart people and try to outsmart people and try to outsmart themselves. Instead of looking in deep and saying, you know what man, I do have the ability to show a little light to the world. And I didn't say it just took 41 years of somebody's life to realize how you stopped the world like that quit that quit. And that was insane. That's what they stopped the world. And it's powerful. That's powerful. So I think this

is going to be a good thing for people to see me, you know, leave here today, go to Miami, and stuff like that. For the way you go, probably, express it afterwards and stuff like that. I think what I really appreciate, and I think we're living in a time now, where what you just said, like, you sell yourself short when you outsmart yourself,

and you sell other people short when you outsmart yourself. And people can tell when you're kind of outsmarting yourself. So when you kind of put all that smarts out the way and you just go, I'm just going to be right and I'm just going to talk as if I'm your literature. I feel right now I'm hearing your thoughts. You're not filtering them to me. You're not checking them. You're not like, Oh, I can't say this. You're not like, Oh, I should cut this out. Like, you're not filtering them. And I think people like hearing an unfiltered thought process,

because that's what it sounds like to be in any of our heads. Right. And so, and that's the same with me. And this, in this conversation that we're having, I'm also asking you my most unfiltered question. Right. Because I'm just like, okay, we're going unfiltered.

I'm unfiltered too. Like that's where we got to go. So my next question or next thought that I have is out of all the experiences you had, what was the one that was crazy for you and that was surprising for you? Which one of your ventures or experiences that you took was the most surprising to yourself, not just to the world. The one that you think the most extreme and the most crazy them. It could have been me and Kim Jong Un, but it could have been anything.

Right, it was a stream, I think. The thing that you did that surprised yourself that you were like, wow, I can't believe I did this. You know, because people think that of you. I think there was surprising thing. I think a lot of people played this video more than anything. And for me, I think the fact that people saw an innocent guy come from Oklahoma and he let the most simple thing in the world touch you and that video is so powerful just just that video alone. That's when I was in the NBA and they say you want a defensive player to hear. That will you know money. There was something like that for me to sit there, show the world, how much emotional that I felt the fact that these people gave me an opportunity. And I'm not trying

to fail this guy's and thank you for letting me be myself. Thank you guys. Thank you. And I wasn't about no money. It was just the fact that I got so much because I worked night to do what I got to do. No, because I couldn't want to jail, I couldn't do drug dealer, I couldn't do too many dealer, I couldn't have done so many negative things in my life. But for some damn reason, somebody's got to hand them a damn shoulder every day. When I leave here, somebody's got to have a hand on my shoulder. So, and I just pray that all the time I'm thinking, when I go home, I want to say, think, you've let me live, man.

You know, I'm not planning new guys or anything like that. I'm just just whoever's around. Thank you for letting me live another day. It's a pull. And have you explored that a little bit? Like in terms of like looked into like what you think is there for you, what's supporting you like because obviously that's a special, that's very rare and special for you to feel and experience that as extremely as you have.

And you've always had a big heart. Like you've always had a bit, you're known as someone who has this immensely big heart. Where does that come from? Tell me what that. I have no, that right there. I'm not an I've ever expressed that. What, what, what, do I have this, this heart that is, this, this, this, this totally so big to people. And the same, the same sense, it's so big to people. And the same sense, it's so bad to people. The same sense, same damn categories like damn, I got this heart, it's so damn big but damn, over here I got them, I'm so bad. And it reminds me of something that was cool man, remind me of something that's cool. I think it's only been one man,'s a welcome is this planet earth one man was

planted there it was I don't think it was Jesus I think it was Moses and he went in part to read see and he told if you guys want to join me come on everybody's inviting good or the bad or ugly come on everyone's inviting and he didn't say anything he said my hands my hands my heart is open for everybody and they came down and gave me the 10 commandments until this day do you realize those 10 commandments people do not even abide by those 10 commandments and as a set of rules right there we always try to teach I care so try to be you know And that's a set of rules right there. We always try to teach I can't just try to be you know Containing and some things in life

But if you look at the tank command was you look at this freedom if you ask anybody in the world do you know retain commandments? Is it what is that Okay, what is that? I don't know man. What is it? You know if you ask anybody what is the take command? Let's get the old tank Commandments say no, that's a good point. So they will say no. My effect, you see the Bible. You know, say you know, you know, what the what does the Bible say to us? Kids don't know that. When did you get exposed to 10 commandments in the Bible

for you? Oh, 10 command, I'm gonna suppose this and I was like, I got a 2, 3, 4, 5 years old, you know, I was like, two, three, four, five years old. I was going to try three times a day, three days a week. But it's just funny how, when Moses said, I'm going to part the rest of the scene. I want to see somebody do that today. I just want to do that the day. Parts something that that you never seen before

And I told you I have seen I seen Tiger Woods do that last show for the master was that last show master's when he wanted masters And everybody on the planet earth Me thousands of thousands of people the father and you thought that was just you thought those black Jesus or Jack black Moses or God And I've never seen them in history. you know, since I've been living in this country. He's still one human being, captivate the world. And he had me wait, even though he did a lot of crazy things, sexual, uh, uh, marital, uh, kiss off like that. He turned it all around and wanted them day. And people love his ass. And all he did was curse something. That's all he did.

But you saw people crying, you saw people laughing, you saw people doing one. That's what I'm saying. That's how powerful certain people in real can do. That's how powerful people minds can be, just like that. If you're thinking a good light sometimes You know good good love what happened to you Your life I have a lot more shining than it does not more meaning And so I just like looking at things like that that really profound me to keep me alive keep me focused keep me in a good light so I

Use that kind of person. Like, I use someone who looks back and thinks, I wish I could have done it differently, or I use someone who thinks, I'm looking for a moment where I can kind of cleanse and let go now. Like, I use someone who looks forward or looks backwards and what helps you push forward. I look a lot of things, you know, backwards to forward.

I was looking at things the other day, I said, wow, that Kim Jong-un thing was really big, right? And it was really bad too. Tell us about it. Oh, that funny. It was big. It came really bad. Then it became big again.

That's the things I'm talking about right there, right there. I wanted a few people in this planet that have that type of, say power. What if we people in the world, I can do this right here, this is not, this is your thing. But I do things out there because now, I've tried to tell these guys, you know, they say,

there is no way in a hell. I can go out there because now I've subscribed to all these guys, you know, I say, hey, there is no way in a hell. I can go out there and try to do this right here and people believe me at all. Yeah, we all have different people. Super. I mean, it's that for me now since I've been able to do these certain things in my country, people looking for the next big thing for me, that next big thing for me. And I said to people, I say, you know what?

I said, you know, I'm gonna tell you something. You want to see another powerful man come to America. I said, not a powerful man. I'm your powerful man and watch people in America wouldn't literally globally watch him. Now I was a Kim Jong Un. Iun became to America. Even though people say he's daddy kills people, I've never seen that, I've seen the country, but I'm never seen that. What did you see when? He's a history and we very well, and stuff like that. But I try to put it in perspective.

I said, this is the 21st century man. You can't keep having a hatred every day, I'm dating. I mean, they don't go to that far. I mean, we want to see some happiness in the world. I mean, some big things about the world. We want to seek Kim Jong-un. Hey, man, come to my country. I love you guys come to my country.

Hey, let's go to South Korea. OK, great. President Moon. Oh, OK, let's go to Russia and get that guy a chance. Let's go over to the bad. Let's get this guy a chance. So's go over here to the bathroom. Let's get this guy a chance So you know, I asked why I like right there because either way You go on his neighborhood. There's different cultures living with each other man different cultures just like real culture

You know, I'm here talking to you. I love talking to you like this. I love this right here all day long You know, so But I think that I think people are going to look for me to do the next big thing in 2020 and it's going to happen. I don't know when, how, but it's going to happen in 2020 for me. I see that. I see that. So, you know, but I say it's not going to be about the money. Yeah. You know, when I went to North Korea, I never got paid. Yeah. Never got paid doing it.

You know, so. But. What was your happiest? You said basketball made you very happy. What was your happiest moment in basketball? You're like happiest memory from that time. My daughter came to play when I was 33, 33, 34 years old. She saw my first game ever.

She was like 9 or 10. I had like, I had a triple double day. I had like 13 points, 22 rebounds and tennises. And I was like, wow. That was a heavy moga. She was like, sure, sure, sure. And that's the only one of my kids that's ever seen me play basketball. Oh, wow. She's the only one of my kids that's ever seen me play basketball. Oh, wow.

She's the only one. Wow. So speaking of kids, 10 years on that right there. Yeah, sure. But the happens more in my life, I mean, one of the few that happened, I was in a promised friend. And these three kids,

I'm walking in the store, these three kids are running around, running around with a camera phone, running around, let's roll with these kids, but they just come running around. And one kid say, hey, can I ask you a question? I said, what is that?

You say, is this you? I said, yeah, that's kind of cool, huh? That made me feel good as hell right there. That made me feel good as hell for that day. Cause this kid, without his way, just to let me know is this shoe. He did not swear anything. They give us for now. He said, this shoe just just happens to clown and I threw it back out of the hand. I used to be that happy without a phone

but I'm saying he went out his way to ask me is that shoe. And that's that's kind of kind of make you feel good because this kid probably eight nine years old to have no clue where they're lying. But he went out his way to go check me up and check me out. It's a this you. I say yes That's a great Yes, so those little things like that makes me happy. I mean those right there. So I think if people get anything out of this podcast here, I think I'm gonna good Revelation the fact that I don't try to get too deep in a lot of stuff. I love simple things in the world.

I love to live my life simple. I love to say to simple things. And I always say the most simple thing make you happy. The most simple things in the world make you money. The most obvious things in the world. That's the problem Which to me to mean most obvious thing you can do anything in the world the most obvious things because a lot of people came make money A lot of people came make money

Because you you play this you can go sit down and try it, but not a people came make money And as a big process to that. Money. And when you got Amazon, a guy, going to his damn garage, a house, and wrote a damn book, and he's worked about $250 billion of books. Please help me out. I mean, this guy's worth $250 billion of books, please help me out.

I mean, this guy's worth $250, $250 billion of books. I don't buy much of that. That of the same image, I don't have sense. There was some thing in the world and these books all about us in the world. He so, pretty much, I so, to the world so people can understand us. Wow. I mean,

it's that awful books. We're from books to everything else. And it's funny, though, man. You know, the people said, Oh my God, he wrote his wife a 40 billion dollar check and then care. for $40 being our chick and then care. I like what you said about the simple things. It's a simple thing. I get that. That's simple things, man. What was it about? What has it been for you in relationships and dating?

What are the simple things there that were? God, it's dating. Let's go there. We all got that problem, right? We all got that problem. Dang's tough and it's got tougher now with technology. And I say this with a great, great admiration to my community, the gay community. And it was a great support of me.

And I asked me in 1983, it's a good. If you came out and said that you was gay, I said, you know what, probably most happens guy in the NBA. Damn, huh? Damn. Damn. Wow. And people don't even get that part, you know, and people look at me in that light.

We've been talking the whole time about this light stuff like that. If I was said that I was gay, which I'm not gay, sorry, but my gay community supporting me when I was dressing when it's closed and doing drag shows and going to dress stuff like that, I would probably be the happiest guy in the world in NBA. Happiest guy in the world, just because the community that I love the most is the gay community. They don't show no filter about anything. They love living life. They love living life. So it's funny, don't.

People say, oh, he's gay. Oh, whatever. You know, people expect me to be gay. People expect me to do all these things in the world, man. All these things in the world, all of them. Just because you expressed yourself. You expressed myself. You expressed yourself, which gave everyone permission.

You're a pretty good person to be. I gave people, for me, years ago, 1993, 94, 95, and San Antonio, to understand this guy, Dennis Rodman. Because back then, I was even acting out. I was just more like just showing this the real Dennis Rodman, the life of Dennis Rodman, stuff like that. And people started gravitating around the world.

We lived around the world. And now today, that's what we talked about. What is the big things you want to do in your life? I've done it. I've created an image in the sports world that people are praising. They're tattooed in the penancey to say what you want to say,

but don't hurt nobody. I do everything in the world in sports. I'm not everything in the world in sports. People didn't think I can do. But everybody's taking credit for it, which I don't care. I don't care. I don't think I can do. But everybody's taking credit for which I don't care. I don't care. I don't care who takes credit, but everybody's happy. And I do get pissed off at professional athletes.

So are you guys going to stand on the same? You make all this down money. You make it $40, $50, $60 million. But for some of the reasons, you ain't helping a sold one world. And I'm saying to every athlete on the planet, and I wrote a book and said something, this whole thing I'm just thinking now. I said, what's the one thing about the plan sports

and NBA, plan bass, one in BS I said 50% is money and 50% sex just like that. And it's true. So nothing bad about that. You know, that's what life is all about, especially in sports world. Well, for athletes in the world, when not, I mean, the Super Bowl, Super Bowl, also, I get stuff like that. I get mad, mad at this stuff. I don't care what they, how was money made? But it's not like they're trying to get back, like, Brian, Kobe, stuff like that.

They give us a lot of good back. They get back, but people that's making all that money, and 40, 50 million dollars a year, to hear you complain. Complain about what? Complain about what? Oh, I don't want to be with this person. I don't want to play with this team.

I don't give a damn. Because you forgot who you were now. You forgot who you were now. You know, you came in here, when you got drafted, and we got drafted, you use all the most old. Oh, fuck it up. And then be now you make it for me. And I was all screwed. This guy really, what happened to me? What happened to that guy? You know, what happened to all this? That, that, that, that, that human, human side of us, what happened to it? It's gone. That's why I said, the world life is moving so damn fast.

Have you ever said this to some of the plays or people that you know in this? I'm gonna hear it now. Yeah. I'm just gonna hear it now. And you'd like it or not, I don't care. But I'm gonna say, these are things when you go around the board

and try to explain to the people that live out there and understand life in general, just life in general. You know, so your soul is probably a great place after 14 years. Your soul is probably right there with a lot of people needs to be. You know, I have 15 years old, I'm going on 59. I need to try to get on that path. To try to have some type of happy, fine line about Dennis Roder. I've been going around the world by talking about this person,

these people, these people, high, and stuff like that But I'm seeing I'm I'm I hit trying to reach When I found with doors open for me to go in to say hey You know yeah, so you know, but for me to keep talking about it over and over you know I mean I just can't it's just kind of hard sometimes because you know I'm sitting here, you know repeating myself about the same thing. And it's like, but I've heard the same, but it's like, but what do you understand when I'm saying? Absolutely.

I mean, if I'm completely honest, this is why I said to you before that, when I'm speaking to you because you're so unfiltered, when I'm hearing you talk, that's kind of like how everyone's mind sounds, like our mind repeats stuff every single day. A mind keeps the same story going on like a broken record But it's like that's how process stuff We process stuff when we sit with it when we think about it when we still ourselves We process it when we let it most of us go. I can't think the same thought again because then I'm crazy I can't say the same thing again because then I'm crazy

But actually or not because that's actually what it takes to really process something So I respect that. I appreciate that. I have nothing against that. Because nothing against that. I've been saying, if you want to take the process, the word process, break that down. Break the process down for me. The process of thinking?

Now, I want to just, when you play it this, break down the word process. The word process for me is a series of steps that help you get from A to B, whatever that A or B is for you. So for me, a thinking process is a process that helps you step by step, break down your thoughts so that you're happy with your thoughts at the end of them, or you have a thought that is useful and insightful that you can do something with. That's what a process is to me personally. For you, right?

Yeah. That's a 10 year old, the same thing. I think that was something different. No, no, no, no, no, no, why? So that's a 10 year old. One day, this has a 10 year old. Can you break down a process? Yeah.

The first thing you're gonna do, you're gonna fall. Oh, process. Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. Two, three, two, three. And then break that down real quick to you. They go, I don't look at process. Oh, look at this.

Okay, great. It's a process of, I don't know, so it's not a lot. I'm going to say, you're okay, great. So basically, that's just your process, but a 10 year old, hey, man, they got different process, right? And so far, you get that. But you didn't get that right, huh? You said, oh, you break that process.

That's my full process. Yeah. Even a 10 year old. Even a 5 year old. Give me process. This is my thought process. In the tenure, you went to five of you, give me one. They will say, that's it. It's just I'll knowledge you real quick. Yeah. Dennis, I tell you this, this has been a remarkable conversation that I will never forget. Oh, that's really fun though.

But, but I'm going to, we, we, at the end of every interview, we ask our final five. These are our rapid fire questions, which means you have to answer in one word or one sentence maximum. Okay. Okay. So the first question is, what is the best advice you've ever received? Best advice came from Chuck. He said, good things come to people that wait. Nice. When did you get that?

Tell me about that. I got the 1987. And why was that the best adversity I've ever received? Because he saw a young man at 25 years old running around with his hair cut off playing basketball. Wow, this hair always said, he just kept looking at you. He tried to sit there and process me. It's like a soul. And when you were at that age, you're able gonna process that? No, no, no, no. I was thinking about the all process. I was thinking of this thing about the fact

that I wanna play it. He just slowed me down, and said good things come to people who wait. Nice. So that's what he told me. Yeah, nice. All right, second question. The worst advice you've ever received.

The bad advice. Oh, the worst advice? No, man, that's a lot of it. That's a lot of it. The worst advice. No man, that's a lot of it. That's a lot of it. The worst advice. Worst advice? Hmm. You can trust me. Oh, haven't, how many people have? W. Safe. Wow, right? Wow. I think it's pretty good, right? When, when, when, that was like, damn,

we had been whole lot. When, that was pretty good, man. It was great. That was the moment. Damn, I was like, the moment. You can trust me. When was the first time you heard that and then you realized that it wasn't worthy of it?

When was the first time you heard that? Someone said that to you and then you realized that it, it wasn't true. How did that feel? When was the first time you heard that someone said that to you and then you realized that it wasn't true. How did that feel? When was the first time that you heard that? 1986 You go great memory. 1980s. That's why I said this is a process. So I'm thinking that all the things I'm telling you the whole time I'm just a process. So I'm thinking about all the things I'm telling you the whole time.

In the 1960s, when Chuck Bailey gave me an opportunity for the team, that's even come onto the team. And the things he was saying to me, he broke it all down, for the same. You can trust me. You can trust me. Yeah. Yeah, I trust him.

Right. Number three, question number three out of five. I think you've kind of mentioned this, but you still whatever you like. Keep it simple, right? What kind of advice are you going to play us today? Yeah, if you could speak to all the players in the NBA right now, what would you say to them? Hmm. I think you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that

you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you can say it in a way that you If you could speak to all the players in the NBA right now, what would you say to them? Don't let money or fame ruin your life. You have a direction to choice without money. Your family or friends are sometimes going to always be doing it. Pretty much. your friends, somebody's going to always be doing it. Pretty much.

Beautiful, man. Thank you. Question number four, what's one thing that is going to stay in your mind after this conversation, something that you're going to think about that's going to affect how you live here today? From you, you've been guiding yourself in this conversation. Well, for this, I take the fact that for me to even open up and keep telling myself that I have to Put my foot my best foot forward. This is for me to quit talking about it Do about it when my kids quit talking about a dentist and do about it Because time is when we fail to keep saying it, but it's up to me to make their first step That's for me. So.

I love that. And your 20 questions with 20 people, I'm waiting for that. I'm sorry. I want to see that. I want to see it too. I want to see it. That's what we were.

I got my defaults. I think it's a great idea. All right. And the fifth and final question is super simple. What is Dennis Rodman's purpose right now in life? All the purpose that you're seeking in life? What's my purpose? You wouldn't want to hear that one.

I don't want to die tomorrow. Say again? I don't want to die tomorrow. To live. Yeah, that's my purpose in life right now. I don't want to die tomorrow. I'm not afraid to die, but it's like, I don't want to die tomorrow. I got too much left in the tank for me.

I come with too much to give. I'm too much in the tank to give, brother. And for me to go out that way, let's cheap. So that's me. I don't want to die tomorrow. And with good people, I thank love, brother. Hope you guys look at me and say, thank you.

That's it. Love that man. Thank you so much, man. All right, brother. Good. Thank you. I love that. All right. Hi, I'm Brendan Francis Nuneum, I'm a journalist, a wanderer, and a bit of a bond of on, but mostly a human just trying to figure out what it's all about.

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