On Purpose with Jay Shetty - Dr. Joe Dispenza ON: Unlocking the Unlimited Power of Your Mind & Healing Yourself Through Thought

Episode Date: June 7, 2021

You can order my new book 8 RULES OF LOVE at 8rulesoflove.com or at a retail store near you. You can also get the chance to see me live on my first ever world tour. This is a 90 minute interactive show where I will take you on a journey of finding, keeping and even letting go of love. Head to jayshettytour.com and find out if I'll be in a city near you. Thank you so much for all your support - I hope to see you soon.Dr. Joe Dispenza joins Jay Shetty to talk about how our thoughts and emotions can affect our physical body, the unconscious process of making your feelings become the means of thinking, and reaching an awareness of the possibilities you haven’t thought before.Dr Joe holds a Bachelor of Science degree and is a Doctor of Chiropractic. His post graduate training includes the fields of neuroscience and neuroplasticity, quantitative electroencephalogram (QEEG) measurements, epigenetics, mind-body medicine, and brain/heart coherence.What We Discuss with Dr. Joe:00:00 Intro01:55 What's the biggest difficulty or challenge you've had to overcome in the past 12 months?04:57 Challenging thoughts we’ve developed that affects how we feel07:34 The Familiar Past, our feelings become the means of thinking12:33 Overcoming your old personality to create the energy to heal18:24 In the unknown, you learn how to be comfortable with the unknown23:27 Processing problems productively and effectively through thoughts27:50 Not reacting emotionally is going to change the energy of how you address a situation33:17 The fear has to be addressed if you want to be healed37:54 Why is our memory for pain stronger than our memory of success or joy?43:19 Your experience produces a feeling that is not chemical48:25 What disconnects us from our awakening and connection to the divine54:36 Deducing the energy frequency of the people you meet58:11 The heart is the middle path, it’s a union of polarity01:08:47 People are the example of truth, we take care of one another and we heal together01:14:13 The purpose of life is to figure out its purpose01:17:02 Dr. Joe on Final FiveLike this show? Please leave us a review here - even one sentence helps! Post a screenshot of you listening on Instagram & tag us so we can thank you personally!Episode Resources:Dr. Joe Dispenza | WebsiteDr. Joe Dispenza | TwitterDr. Joe Dispenza | InstagramDr. Joe Dispenza | FacebookDr. Joe Dispenza | LinkedInDr. Joe Dispenza | YouTubeDr. Joe Dispenza | AmazonAchieve success in every area of your life with Jay Shetty’s Genius Community. Join over 10,000 members taking their holistic well-being to the next level today, at https://shetty.cc/OnPurposeGeniusSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I can't wait to see you this year. Now you know that I love diving into really fascinating discussions with some of the most interesting people on the planet. And today's guest is one that we've had on before, but one of your favorites. So there's only a couple of guests that we've had on a couple of times. And today's is going to be a real treat. We have the one and only Dr. Joe dispenser.

Joe, it is such a pleasure to have you back. Thank you. I was finally remembering the last time we were together. And I have to say, my audience loved the conversation. They got so much out of it. bring the last time we were together and I have to say my audience loved the conversation. They got so much out of it. The amount that you share every time and I'm a fan so I watch you all the time. So I listen to all your interviews and I always gain something new. And what I loved about our approach last time is you have this unique ability to go really

deep into the science and then bring it back to being really accessible and then you add this layer of spirituality over it too. And I love that kind of blend. So thank you for being you. Oh, thank you, Jay. I'm happy to be here. Yeah, and you look really well. I mean, it's been a crazy year for everyone.

For you as well. I mean, it's been a crazy year for everyone, for you as well. I mean, you are used to doing so many events and packed out audiences. And of course, last year that may have been slightly affected. And what's the biggest difficulty or challenge you've had to overcome in the past 12 months? Well, I think, first of all, one of the things about the global pandemic that I said to my staff and to my family, the moment I heard how the circumstances in the world changed, I just said I refused to be a victim to these circumstances. So a victim consciousness is when we allow something

in our outer environment to control the way we feel and think. So I say to you, Jay, why are you so upset today? And you said, oh, it's because of this person or circumstance, which are really saying is something in my outer environment, some person or some condition is controlling the way I think and feel. Now, that's not the truth. That's just a response, right? So anything that controls our thoughts and feelings causes us to be victim to those things. And the stronger the emotion we feel to some circumstance in our life, the more we pay attention to it.

And where we place our attention is where we place our energy. So we're giving our life force, we're giving our power away to that circumstance. And so I just made up my mind that it was a great opportunity to get into the cocoon. And I don't think I've been healthier in my life. I mean, I'm usually on six different time zones in four weeks running a lot of events, as you said,

but I saw it as an opportunity to really self-reflect, to really immerse myself into my own personal work, to redo our website, to redo our brand, to connect more with my staff, to cook my own meals again, and work out, and use my staff, to cook my own meals again and work out and use my body and do my walking meditations on the beach. And of course, I've had a fabulous, fabulous nine months or so. But I think one of the challenges I think many people have is really the discernment of

information. It's really difficult to know what's the truth anymore just because information is so accessible and I used to say that in an age of information ignorance is a choice and and now we have to confront the whole nother level and that is the information that we're getting is it is it actually supporting us or is it something that really is an incentive to cause us to make choices?

So, for me, I think the biggest challenge has been just really an awakening to what kind of information I want to expose myself to, and I think it's now more than ever a challenge for a lot of people in the world. Yeah, I think it's really interesting to hear you say that difference between reacting to our external changes and uncertainty versus responding.

We hear that a lot and then the pandemic comes along and everyone feels we all feel we have legitimate reasons and true reasons external of us that we can't control to feel a different way. But I've heard you say before that our thoughts can make us sick. And that always sticks with me. Whenever I think of you saying that,

that always sticks with me, what are some of the challenging thoughts that we've all developed in the last 12 months that you think are affecting how we feel? First of all, every time we have a thought, we make a chemical. And if you have an unlimited thought, you will feel unlimited.

And if you have a self-depreciating thought, you'll feel unworthy. And your brain instantaneously fires circuits that signal another part of the brain to release peptides or chemical messengers that signal hormonal centers. And when we get that arousal from the thought that we think, to release peptides or chemical messengers at signal hormonal centers. And when we get that arousal from the thought that we think, those thoughts sometimes weaken the response weakens the physical body.

So it turns out that the emotions that are created from the thoughts are the signaling mechanisms of the body, thoughts of the language of the brain, and feelings of the language of the body, and how we think and how we feel creates our state of being. So it turns out that the thoughts based in the stress hormones, based in survival, those are the thoughts that begin to push the genetic buttons

that create disease. In other words, person wakes up in the morning, and the brain is a record of the past. The first thing they do, person wakes up in the morning and the brain is a record of the past. The first thing they do in the wake up in the morning is they start thinking about their problems. And those problems are memories that are etched in the brain, that are connected to certain people, certain objects, certain things at certain times and places. So if you believe that your thoughts have something to do with your destiny, the moment you think about your problems, you're thinking in the past, right? Now every one of those problems has an emotion associated with them because we've experienced them.

So the moment you remember your problems, now you feel unhappy, now you feel anxious, now you feel fear. So the moment we feel those emotions, it takes a thought and a feeling, a memory or an image and a motion, a stimulus and a response, and we start conditioning the body emotionally into the past. Now the body is so objective that it doesn't know the difference between the real life experience that's creating that emotion and the emotion that person's fabricating by thought alone. The body's believing it's in that environmental condition.

So if the environment signals the gene, and that's the truth, and the end product of an experience in the environment is an emotion, we're signaling the same genes, and genes make proteins. And if you keep signaling the same genes, you start down regulating the gene to make cheaper proteins. And the body begins to break down. Now, that's an unconscious process. So what goes along with that is the moment the person feels that emotion of unhappiness or whatever it is. The brain checks in with the body and says, yeah, you're feeling pretty miserable. You're suffering. And we tend to generate more thoughts equal to the feeling that we have.

And so then we get caught in the slupe of thinking and feeling. So if we can't think greater than how we feel, our feelings have become the means of thinking, then we're thinking in the past. And so we call that the familiar past. And then a person gets going in the day and they start thinking, oh, I gotta see this person, I gotta go to that. Meaning I hate doing this. And now they get in their routine. And a habit is a redundant set of automatic,

unconscious thoughts, behaviors, and emotions that's acquired through repetition. A habit is when you've done something so many times that the body now knows how to do it better than the mind. So now the person running through the same routine every single day is on autopilot and their body is now dragging them into a predictable future based on what they did in the past and they you have the predictable future, those are knowns. So the only place then, reasonably where the unknown exists, is the sweet spot of the generous present moment. That is when the body and mind are free from those conditions.

So along with those emotions that influence the same thoughts, people start becoming more judgmental. They start becoming more impatient. They start becoming more impatient. They start becoming more entitled. They start getting more afraid, more anxious, more depressed. And now the body is literally being depleted of energy because it's believing that it's living in an emergency situation. And in emergency, you tap all of the body's resources for some threat, whether it's real or imagined. And so then, when you you tap all of the body's resources for some threat, whether it's real or imagined.

And so then when you're releasing all of these chemicals, we are literally drawing the body's life force and turning it into chemistry. And so for the short term, that's cool. But the arousal that's created from those stress hormones is a rush of energy. And so then people use the problems and the conditions in their life to reaffirm their conditioning or their addiction to that emotion. And in a sense, they become addicted to the life they don't even like. This is why change is so hard. So then when a person makes up their mind to change and they say, okay, I'm not going

to say, I can't, I'm not going to judge, okay, I'm not going to say I can't. I'm not going to judge another person. I'm not going to blame. I'm not going to complain. I'm not going to make excuses. I'm not going to be a victim. I'm not going to talk trash about anybody. I'm just going to stop. Well, that works out really well for the first couple hours. Then the body's saying, you're at a schedule. You normally at eight in the morning, you're getting traffic and you're angry. Then at 11 o'clock, you check your emails and you're really judgmental and frustrated. The body saying, well, you've been doing this for the last 20 years. You're just going to stop today.

So now the body, which has been conditioned emotionally to be the mind, wants to return back to its familiar territory, to the known. So the body starts influencing the mind. And it says, come know, come on. This is a good time to judge. Come on, this is a good time to suffer. It's your ex's fault. It's the government's fault.

It's the weather, the news, whatever it is. And if we accept, believe and surrender to that thought without analyzing it, it slips by and it begins the program, the autonomic nervous system, to make those pharmacy of chemicals. And so, that's when the person makes the same choice. Does the same thing, creates the same experience just for that familiar feeling. Okay, I'll complain just so I can feel suffering. Then, they'd rather be unhappy and step into the unknown, to step into possibility and the hardest part

about that process. First of all, it's not making the same choices you did day before and here's the payoff. You gotta stay conscious and not going conscious and it turns out that 95% of the time we're unconscious. So if you're gonna stay conscious, then there's an element that also requires a certain amount of awareness or energy.

And you gotta step outside of that unconscious state. So the thoughts that they're thinking are slipping by their awareness unnoticed because they're hardwired in their brain because they've been saying, I can't, it's too hard, my life will never change, it's someone else's fault. Those thoughts have consequences in the body. So then if a person then becomes conscious of those unconscious thoughts, becomes aware of how they speak and how they act and they notice how they're feeling,

they're no longer the program, They're the consciousness outside the program, and that's the first step to change. So, when you're distracted by your environment, and you got your cell phone, and you're tweeting, and you're Instagramming, and Facebook, and whatever people do, you're distracted by that feeling. But I now know that if you take a person, and you say, okay, close your eyes,

sit in the silence of any external stimulation, remove the environment, sit your body down like an animal, body is the animal, tell it to stay. I'm going to feed you, you can check your cell phone, you can shower, you can have your coffee, but when I say, and so then here comes the challenge, right? So, and then if you say then, you're not going to live in the familiar future, familiar past or predictable future, you're not going to think about how long you've been meditating, what you got to do, you labor for that present moment. People think when they do this that they're doing something wrong

because they're such discomfort that comes with it. But they're in the unknown, they're actually doing it right. People say, I think I'm meditating wrong. I always say, oh, no, no, no, you're doing it right because when you notice that your body wants to get up and check your cell phone or have a cup of coffee and you become aware that it's on autopilot and wants to do that and you say, come on over here and you return it back to the present moment, you're executing a will now that's greater than the program. And if the person wants to just get angry, while they're sitting there, there's an arousal. And they notice the body is amping up and revving up. And they settle it back down. Now they're telling the body, it's no longer the mind.

That they're the mind. Now, we've researched this and it's tedious in the beginning at first because David is fighting Goliath, but if you keep practicing it, just like training an animal, sooner or later the body acquiesces, sooner or later the body is trained to a new mind and when that happens, there's a liberation of energy.

The body goes from particle to wave, from matter to energy and there goes that emotion, literally liberated from body as energy. So the person who has the strong emotion to some circumstance in their life and they're working and lowering the volume of that emotion, The more they lower the volume of that emotion, the more they're going to take their attention off that person in problem and they're going to take their power back, there's going to be a break and their attention from that circumstance.

And now they build their own field. And now there's energy to heal. Now there's energy to create a new life. Now there's energy for the mystical moment because they've overcome their old personality self. So I think, you know, it's not like thinking positively. That's not the message. It's overcoming, overcoming, overcoming, overcoming until we become somebody else.

And when that occurs, and the person starts thinking differently, and they start acting differently, and they start feeling differently, and they start feeling differently. They're a new personality, and they start seeing those synchronicities and serendipities. Now, crossing that river of change, the creative process now gets exciting because what thoughts do you want to fire in your brain? What kind of attention and intention do you want to place so that that becomes the loudest voice in your head? And if you keep practicing, the hardware becomes a software program and it'll say,

Jay, you can do anything. Jay, you live in no time and accomplish everything. Jay, you're unlimited, you just got to hang with it. On the other side of this is greatness. Whatever, you want a program in there, you get the program in there. If you sat down and say, how am I going to be with my wife, my husband, my partner, how am I going to be with my kids, how am I going to be at work with my co-workers, how am I going to be in traffic? And you close your eyes and you begin to rehearse in your mind. If you're truly

present, the brain does not know the difference between the real life experience and what you're imagining. So now the brain goes from a record of the past to a map to the future. Now you're installing the hardware. Keep practicing it. It becomes automatic. It comes easier. Now it's a software program. You may just start behaving differently. And then if you said, well, listen, I'm not going to wait for my healing to feel gratitude. I'm not going to wait for my new relationship to feel love, I'm going to actually teach my body emotionally, what that future feels like before it happens. Now, this is a big turnaround for a lot of people because we're so reliant on the outer world to change our inner world, right?

The weighting is not creating. I mean, period. And when people, they could have the greatest intentions in the world. But if they don't combine that with an elevated emotion, there's no signal because the elevated emotion is the carrier, it's the energy that carries the thought. So then when we're in separation, in lack, waiting for our wealth to feel abundance, we're basically living our whole life in pain, right? So then if you reason this this and a person can get up

from their meditation and they literally feel differently and they're feeling the emotions of their future before it happens, this is turning the whole process around. They can't be looking for it. Why would they be looking for it if they felt like it, they already happened? Now there's no separation. Now this is when those serendipities and coincidences and opportunities be in this show up in people's lives. So it's work, but then when they start seeing the experience in their life, all of a sudden they start believing they're more of the creator of their life unless of the victim of their life.

Yes, absolutely. So many parts of that I want to unpack with you, but what a beautiful answer to our reflection on the last 12 months and what we're creating for ourselves. There were parts of it that I wanted to comment on. One was the idea you mentioned around being, recognizing that the unknown is actually the place of growth. And I think there's so much beauty in that what you were saying about meditation.

I remember always being trained that we think that getting distracted is taking us away from meditation when actually the awareness that you are distracted is meditation. The problem is the thought that comes after like I can't meditate. It's too hard. No, on the other side of that thought is your healing. So I say to people when they come to our workshops, oh, I'm gonna take you way further than where you normally stop.

Because you only gonna have two choices. You're gonna let your energy drop and suffer and go get into the time and my body and when's it's gonna end and I'm hungry. And those are all primal drives. Or you're gonna apply a formula. And in the unknown, you learn how to be comfortable in the unknown. And when people, this is so funny,

because you stretch a person outside of the known, and it's not scary. Nothing happened to them. And all of a sudden, they relax more into the present moment. They're not thinking about what's going to happen tomorrow. They're not going to think about what happened yesterday. Now, we watch 1,500 people just by the end of an event, just totally present.

It's completely different people. And where you place your attention is where you place your energy, there's energy for them to heal. They have energy. They're can execute. So it's something that's hard to, you can only talk around. You know, you have to experience it.

It's like, how do you explain a mango to somebody? How do you, what does it taste like? You got to experience it. So, but the cool thing about it, I think, you know, of course, speaking from my presence, state of ignorance, but I've been watching, you know, closely, you know, you can't tell me, and you longer that you're too sick to do this work.

I have seen in the last couple years, blind people seeing deaf people hearing people with strokes that were paralyzed, moving their limbs, people with Parkinson's disease that had tremors or paralysis, moving MS, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, rare genetic disorders, tumors. There it is, then it's gone. You can't tell me you're too sick to do this work. I mean, of course people come up against themselves. And when they come up against themselves, those sick people came up against their fear, like you're going to die in three months, and they had every reason to not do the work, but they showed up in spite of their fear, and they overcame their fear a little bit more.

There were people that had self-doubt, and their condition was getting worse, and their family was worried about them. They could have doubted and said, I give up it. They showed up for themselves again, and they overcame their doubt a little bit more. They were days that they were really feeling sick, and their body was really failing, and they could have said, I'm too sick to do this meditation They did it sometimes two or three times a day because nothing else was working Yeah, and they overcame their body. They could have said I don't have enough time

I got kids like an obligation. I got a job. They they showed they made the time to do it and that was the overcoming process You can't you can't tell me that You're too out of shape. You can you can't tell me that you're too out of shape. You can't tell me, you know, you're too old. We have elders in this work. I can show you brain scans that are so elegant and so beautiful and the arousal that they're having is ecstasy. It's coherence in the brain. So you can't even tell me that you never meditated before because husbands who get dragged to our events by wives who were sitting there going, who is this guy? And they're listening to the science and it makes sense and comes down to the practical. They're just saying, just, I don't know what, just tell me what they

follow the exact formula. Someone who's been meditating for 40 years doing the same thing. That's the one that has to get out of that. That's the habit. Not to say that that's a bad thing. But when it comes time to connecting. I fully agree with you. I mean, I talk about this. I've been fortunate enough to meditate for consistently for about 16 years now. And I started when I was 18 years old and it's been part of my daily practice. But I realized probably halfway into that, which is too late. As I wish I realized probably, probably halfway into that, which is too late, as I wish I'd realized it earlier, but it probably took me eight years to realize I shouldn't have ever been trying

to recreate the last meditation. You get into that habit with any good habit. You get into the habit of, I wanna meditate like I did yesterday. I wanna do this like I did yesterday. I want the workout that I had last week. I want the workout that I had lost week. I want the body that I had lost. Yeah, yeah.

And we do that to ourselves. And that actually traps us from a new, fresh, incredible experience. Yeah, it turns out that repetition and predictability are impossible in the quantum. If you're truly evolving these experience, the experience should be an extension of the last one. So I always just go

at it a different way if I could, I always just try to mix it up, right? Yeah, it's just usually better that way. The therapy for Black Girls podcast is the destination for all things, mental health, personal development, and all of the small decisions we can make to become the best possible versions of ourselves. Here, we have the conversations that help black women dig a little deeper into the most impactful relationships in our lives, those with our parents, our partners, our children, our friends, and most importantly ourselves. We chat about things like what to do with a friendship ends, how to know when it's time to break up with your therapist, and how to end the cycle of perfectionism.

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everyone feels their life is full of problems. How do you process a problem productively, effectively through thoughts? Yes. Great question again. I think we're all faced with great opportunities brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. In order, for me personally, and after looking through your book and reading a good portion of it, I mean, for me, there's no school of ancient wisdom that you need to go to to be initiated. Your life is your initiation if you're paying attention.

So we meet challenges in our life from a certain level of mind, right? A certain level of consciousness or unconsciousness. Even Einstein said, we have to go to a greater level of consciousness than the consciousness that's created the problem. What is consciousness? Consciousness is awareness. And awareness means the possibilities that you have in thought of before. So we confront problems or challenges in our life.

And as a side note, I was having breakfast with a researcher just last week who's studying what happens when we perceive and condition in our environment as a problem, how it weakens the organism, they're measuring this. And when a person sees it as a challenge, how they draw energy, they raise the energy of the body back into order. So if we said, I want to be wealthy or I want to be healthy. Well, what you want to be that because you're not it. So the initiation of going from not it here to it here, you're going to have to climb some steps and there's going to be some blind spots. So you try it

out and it doesn't work. Well, that's because there's a part of you that's still in a habit. There's part of you that's still unconscious. Okay. So what is it about myself in that circumstance that I am feeling about that circumstance and that feeling is causing me to think about it. So you say, oh, it's impossible. They'll never change. I'll hire a hitman.

I'll hire the mafia. I'll hire the attorney. I'll have my friends friend to talk to me. And nothing changes, right? Well, you're not separate from that experience. You're involved in it and how you think and how you feel broadcast energy into the field. So your energy is the same every day. And as long as your energy is the same, nothing's going to change in your life either.

And nobody changes until they change their energy. So then, what piece of knowledge, what piece of information, what would love do, what would greatness look like? Okay, I don't know. All right, well, certainly somebody in history has faced this problem. Don't get on Facebook and say does anybody have any answers? Don't get, go look it up and study and breed and learn, you'll own it. And you'll say, wow, that person that was wealthy, they've failed 500 times. Well, hell, I had the wrong view of wealth. Okay, then failure is not a thing.

I got to overcome failure. Well, yeah, just climb the wrong view of wealth. Okay, then failure is not a thing. I got to overcome failure. Well, yeah, just climb the step. Okay, I'm reacting to that circumstance with the same emotion. That emotion is firing the same thoughts. I'm broadcasting the same energy into the field. If I were facing that circumstance and situation again with that person that circumstance,

what do I learn from that circumstance? How could I do it differently the next time? Find out a solution and rehearse it. Install the circuitry. So when you get in the circumstance, you're not going to respond in an automatic habituation. Now you're at a greater level of consciousness. Now you're looking at possibilities that you weren't looking at before because you were unconscious. Now, that process of trial and error is so important in the spiritual path. How many times do we have to forget before we remember? And then we remember and we forget again, and it takes constantly remembering until we stop forgetting. And when we get to that point, now we're conscious. Now there's wisdom. And wisdom is the memory of the experience without the emotional charge. Now you're ready for the new adventure. So

then people draw conclusions and say, oh, what's that person that ripped me off as that person that what now now you don't create your reality? You only create your reality when things are good. Well, somehow you've got to tango through this. Somehow your objectivity in not reacting emotionally is going to change the energy of how you address this situation. So then we keep going in introspection. At the end of the day, if you really wanted to be wealthy, say, how did I do today? Did I make the right choices? Was I ethical? Was I purpose-driven? Was I was I was I am I interested in making a difference was I fair was I tempered?

Did I really think before I spoke? What what did I remember reading about that book about that person that did it? How do I do? And if you said I went and when did I fall from grace? When did I lose it? Okay, I want that opportunity again. I want to know a shot at that. And I'm going in this way. What would love do in this situation? What would greatness do? And now you evolve your experience.

And somehow there's a door. There's an opening, something shifts, something changes. And now here we go, we climb another ladder. And then all of a sudden sudden there's another challenge. And then people who finally arrive at their abundance, they could care less if they're abundant. They're already knowing that they've earned the right for it. So there's sometimes a shortcut in the process if we really learn and we really get it.

But the trial and error is so important because not only is the person earning the right to be wealthy, but they're earning the right to live in worthiness, worthy to receive. Like, hey, people come to our work all the time for a lot of reasons. And one of the common reasons is they want to get healthy. And they're dealing with a very serious health condition, and I would say the same thing to them. Stop wanting to be healthy. Learn the formula on how to get healthy. Learn the formula on how to heal, and the healing will be the side effect of it.

If you're obsessing about, why am I not healed? You're still the old person. You're gonna become that person every day, right? Turns out that when you sit down and the people that we interview that have had significant changes, when it's no longer about their health, but they are out of the bleachers and they're on the playing field. And they are coming up against the belief. Like one lady said, God, I always thought that this work really worked,

that these concepts are the truth, but I never believed it worked for me. And I was in a car accident in a wheelchair, and then she made the decision that she was gonna overcome that belief. No, it was no longer about her healing. It was about overcoming the belief, whichever can the belief. And I showed up every day for herself.

When you believe in yourself, you believe in possibilities. When you believe in possibilities, you gotta believe in yourself. You don't show up for yourself for self when you believe in yourself you believe in possibilities when you believe in possibilities you got to believe in yourself you don't show up for yourself you don't believe in it and that's why people don't do the work I mean if you you believe that your thoughts created reality you would show up every day and create

and so a lot of people believe in their past more than they believe in their future a lot of people fall in love or more in love with their past or romance their past instead of romance their future or love their future, it's that simple. So the initiation process of life is always going to be there. You're always going to be challenged.

If you want to be a master, well, then you better learn how to heal someone else and you're going to fail a lot of times. And if you think that you're a failure, then you'll quit. But if you feel like you just didn't quite ding it yet, and you show up again to just ding it, and you keep evolving your experience and you go deep, or how much more can I open my heart? How much more can I surrender into this infinite field?

How much more can I become? Can I walk as it with my eyes open? People do meditations, and they have great meditations. Me included. And then you get up, you open your eyes and you're back in the program. And people want to know why they haven't healed them. We have testimonies of people. They're speaking the truth.

They said, my MS, my rheumatoid and my lupus never went away. And I had great meditations. I felt better. And then I realized with my eyes open, I was still that person. And now, next level, they're in the game of catching themselves or catching how they speak or watching how they think. They're not letting their body fall in the same emotional state to put them in the same past experience that the body's believing in.

Now, this is the great part. And when the person finally breaks through from the chains, and there's a different consciousness, a freedom that happens, they look back at their past. They want to change one thing, and their past, because it brought them to that present moment. That's the past. No longer existing. That's the freedom. So is it worth the effort? Yeah, it's no longer about healing. It's no longer about abundance. It's about who you're becoming, right? That's what it's about, right? I love that emphasis on trial and error. Because again, just like when we're talking about

through some of your earlier answers around becoming comfortable and the unknown, it's that same alignment again. If like what we're trying to avoid is the trial and error, what people come to you for is, I want a definitive answer. I want deconclusion. I want the path. I want the decision, the one thing that's gonna...

I would never tell anybody what to do. I believe in free will. I would never tell anybody what to believe, like politically or socially or whatever. I want to provide them the tools and give them the free will to create life. However they want and believe whatever they want, that's totally cool with me. So those people then that want to be healed and they live in fear. That fear has to be addressed. I mean, and it's not easy because it's hardwired, deep

in the limbic brain. It's just a safety net. It's a mechanism. So then imagine being in the unknown. The instinct in the unknown is it's a scary place. Wow, imagine not having a body and we practice lingering without a body in an infinite space. And without a name, without a face, without a culture, without a job, without a social security number, without a disease, without a diet, just as an awareness, you practice that. You're going to be comfortable in the unknown. You're going to relax more into it. That's going against thousands of years of programming. And the people who actually overcome their fear, and they trade it for gratitude, their

immune system gets stronger, their genes up regularly. I mean, there's just a host of everything, chate their brain changes their heart rate variability. They feel differently. And it's being measured. And some of these people were measuring this now in our events with reputable scientists and universities. They're shocked at what they're witnessing on a cellular level, on a brain level, on a

heart level. They cannot believe the capacity of the body. I just got an email today of one of our scientists said, I ran this three times. The virus that we exposed the cell to and advanced meditators does not enter the cell. It's outside the cell. It won't, virus and novice meditators. Some of it's in the cell, some of it's outside controls. All the virus is in the cell, it won't, a virus, and novice meditators. Some of it's in the cell, some of it's outside controls,

all the viruses in the cell, there's an immunity. So when the person's less reactionary to their environment, there's less of response that weakens them, there's less of a victim to their environment, then there are less of a victim to their environment. Large-scale, small-scale, the body has a greater immunity to whatever it is. And that's the truth. That is the, we're measuring that. So, you never know the outcome when a person really catches that thought, that leads to the same choice, that leads to the same behavior, that creates the same experience, that produces the same emotion,

that discomfort, that unpredictability, that uncertainty. That's a side effect of leaving the known. That's what change is about learning how to be comfortable in it. Instead of just white knuckling it, go, oh, I have some tools to self-regulate. I'm in fear. Oh, excuse me. And you excuse yourself. And you change that.

And then you're there. And then here comes the fear again. Excuse me. And I always say, if not now, when? Now is the new later, like don't wait. And so the person who's no longer about healing their disease, it's about overcoming their fear, their attention is off their disease and their identity

is changing because we're not identifying with anyone. Now they're looking at something right in the face and now once they're engaged, they're showing up every day. Just like a workout is pain involved, but you move through it a little bit more and the volume is lowered and they're response to people in circumstances are different. And then they know they're changing because people say to them, I just saw this just yesterday, people say to them, something about you is different.

What is it? You get a little work done, you want a new medication because their memory of them is different, they're out of face. We don't see things how they are, we see things how we are. We see things how we are. So we feel in reality based on memory and all of a sudden the person's out of face. They're not remembering them that way. They're not that they're in the unknown and it's obvious

and then all of a sudden people get raises and they get all these great things going on why. Because they're leading by example, it's not what they're saying, it's who they are. And they're less responsive and they have more patience and they're practicing by example, it's not what they're saying, it's who they are. And they're less responsive, and they have more patience, and they're practicing being in their heart. And when they're in their heart, they're more patient, they're more kind, they're more loving, they're more giving, and you can't create a future without putting your heart into it. And if you're heart, if you're throwing your heart into your future, it better be activated and coherent. And so we measure that stuff because it becomes a science. And that is the language of mysticism now.

Why is our memory for pain stronger than our memory of a success or a joy? Because it sounds like what you said, one thing that really hit me and I loved that was the idea of remembering forgetting, remembering forgetting. And so often we have a positive, powerful experience, but sometimes we'll just discount it as irrelevant. And then you have a negative experience and we hold on to it. And I find that in all of this, memory is exactly it that you said that wisdom is when you've kind of gone down that process so far down the line where now your memory's stronger than forgetting, we forget the powerful experiences, we forget the moments

where we relieve things. So what is that? And what do you do about it? Well, I'll answer it on two levels, Jay. Thanks for the question. I really think that when the survival gene is activated, preservation is the key. So we can have 10 things that happen really great in our lives. You have a family member, somebody you know that does this. They have 10 really great things happen in their one thing bed and they focus on that bad thing. Why? Because the survival genes activated, they want to make sure it doesn't happen again. So you put your attention on it because you don't want it to happen again. So what people do when they're aroused is they start thinking it's going to happen. So they actually select the worst case scenario

in their mind and then emotionally embrace that future before it happens and they're conditioning their body to become the mind of anxiety and fear. So in preservation and in survival if you prepare for the worst, anything less that happens, you have a better chance of fear. So in preservation and in survival, if you prepare for the worst, anything less that happens, you have a better chance of surviving. So that's the mechanism that takes place. So survival means you better take care of your body, you better be aware of your environment and make sure there's no threats. And so you got to keep your eye out there. And you better be thinking about the future based on what you learned in the past. Now, there's nothing wrong with that

when the analytical facilities are in balance, but when there's an arousal, arousals, there's three things that create arousal. Fear, hostility, and anger, or aggression, and pain. And that arousal drives the brain into these high states of what we call high beta. And most people need something or someone or some circumstance or some drug or some pill or some computer game to change that internal

state. In the moment they notice a change in internal state, then they pay attention to what's causing it. They start developing a dependency on it, right? So it turns out that when we teach people how to self-regulate and change their brainwaves, we could actually see then that the incoherence, that disorderliness that's taking place in the brain. When you're over-aroused, you're overly analytical, and you're shifting your attention from one problem to one person to one thing to one place to another problem to another circumstance to your phone to your car.

Each one of those elements has a neurological network in the brain. So the arousal causes these different circuits to fire out of order, and the brain is in coherent. So it takes two waves that are out of phase and mix them. When they interfere, they flatten out. There's no energy. So energy leaves the brain, right? So then when you're in arousal, you narrow your focus on the cause.

If there is something rattling in the bushes, and it's dark, you freeze, and you narrow your focus on it, and If there is something rattling in the bushes and it's dark, you freeze and you narrow your focus on it. And there's a rush of adrenaline and your people's dilating, your heart starts to race and you're ready to run, fight or hide. I mean, that's a survival moment, but what if it's your coworker sitting right next to you or six feet away and you're judging them, you're the same arousal's taking place.

And what's once very adaptive becomes very maladaptive. Now this is where it gets challenging. So when we teach people how to open their focus, we've done thousands and thousands of brain scans, and they get beyond their analytical processes, and they open their awareness and go from a conversion focus to a diverting focus, and they learn how to relax and regulate. Their brain waves start to slow down into alpha,

and then if they do it properly and they're connecting those different compartments of the brain that were once firing out of order, start to unify. Different communities form bigger communities. The brain starts to synchronize. And then all of a sudden you start seeing different compartments of the brain all in resonance. So now when they're all in resonance and they start interfering, when those waves come together, those more energy in the brain. So when a person dials down the mechanism, this neocortex that plugs us into three-dimensional

reality that keeps us aware of our body, that it's the autobiographical self, where everything stitched in memory in there. When we start deactivating the mechanism here, and we get beyond the memory bank of the known self and brain waves move into theta. We've studied this so much. A person can let their body be in a light state of sleep and feel so safe that you can finally let go and surrender. The body is sleeping, but the mind is awake.

And now the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind is wide open. And if they can regulate and stay there, something amazing happens. There is a release of energy from the body and their brain goes into a very, very super coherent state of gamma. Gamma is super consciousness. Now, I'm not talking about a little gamma. I'm not talking about a lot of gamma. Gamma is super consciousness. Now, I'm not talking about a little gamma. I'm not talking about a lot of gamma. I'm not talking about a really lot of gamma.

I'm talking about a supernatural amount of gamma. There's so much order and so much energy in the brain, like if we were in an audience and we were all clapping like this. That could be alpha, right? Theta would be, and if everybody could do this, it's slower, we could do it, the more we can get our timing down, the more we can get coherent.

But if we were doing this, it would be really hard for all of us to do that at the same time, because it takes a lot of order, a lot of awareness, a lot of energy, to be able to create that kind of order. So that's how fast the brain is and that arousal that's taking place is ecstasy. That arousal is bliss.

It is the most familiar, unfamiliar feeling that people ever have. And that memory then, that the person has, that is so profoundly different than the feeling of success, the feeling of wealth, the feeling of orgasm or love or whatever. This is a new one and it's a thrill. And the person notices a dramatic change in their interstate and with that experience comes a very lucid picture, a very profound insight, a download of information. That's the moment, then. The body, many times, rewrites the biological program. Energy is informing matter, and the autonomic nervous system is regulating. It's in high order. And remember, disease is autonomic dysregulation. Now it's getting into a very, very high frequency of order

and it's sending very coherent information to the cells and tissues, sending energy to the cells and tissues and cells begin to emit more coherent light and information. And then there's the disease, and there it's not. Listen, I've seen it too many times. The person said, I had, we had a guy in Cancun in our last event that was a veteran that was, it came in a wheelchair. Both his knees blown out. He had broken his back. He was extreme pain on the bottom of his feet. He couldn't walk. He was suicidal. He had post-traumatic stress disorder. Try to everything.

You had post-traumatic stress disorder, tried everything. First, walking meditation. He's out there lumbering around on two crutches. Next day, he's on one crutch. The evening of the final meditation, I swear. He's running down the beach without his crutches and the volunteers that usually help people with handgets are chasing him. He's running the other way. He hit gold. There's no pain in his feet, no limitation in his body. He got an upgrade. Now that arousal, that experience, he'll never forget. That's a new one.

So I think that a lot of people, you know, we get, you know, we get conditioned. Like, oh, wow, success. But, you know, we get, you know, we get conditioned like, oh wow, success, but you know, sooner or later You're gonna be like when the novelty wears off But here's the cool part the cool part is like when you hit pader like that when you connect When you connect to the field when you connect the divine whatever you want to call it when your consciousness Merges with a greater consciousness and that arousal creates excessly bliss, one is whatever you wanna call that. You realize that it never came from anything out there. It didn't come from the wardrobe or the facelift,

the sports car or whatever. It came from within you, and so you stopped looking out there for it, and now the love affair begins, and you never wanna miss a date date because it's just too good. So that memory then, that is what I'm after because when you have those transcendental moments and you understand this, the experience of that transcendental moment lays down new circuitry in the brain. This is what experience does.

And the experience produces a feeling, but it's not chemical. It's electric and it's orderly and every cell of your body is jiggling in order. And you're a house and you're awakened, right? You have to admit, when that occurs, your spectrum of reality is going to broaden. Some conditioning, some illusion, some belief about a white guy and a beard keeping track of, if you did something right or wrong, or you failed or you let God down, that's not how it is. Something is removed.

And you start seeing reality as it is and all of a sudden, you start seeing the part that we edit out for survival. Now you start seeing patterns and lights and information that are transcendent of three-dimensional reality and your spectrums are wide because your brain had the experience and the circuitry's there and now your experience of the world changes.

You get an upgrade to the VR set. The virtual reality set, all you get the upgrade, you got 2.0 and now it looks different. Everything looks different. Everybody looks different. The world, you're seeing beauty more. Well, and there's more wholism and more connection and sounds and words and music and sense and sight and light is all working together. I mean, that's the blessing of an awakening, right? That's where we're going.

What are the things that disturb or disconnect our awakening and connection to the divine? What are those, that source, so that power, that consciousness that you are speaking about? What are the things that then disturb or disconnect us from that once we become connected? Because I'm sure many people feel connected. They get it. They get a breakthrough. Yeah, yeah. But then, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of fall back down. Well, this is a great question also.

I mean, I mean, wow, I think a lot of times when people, they hit that point, they try to reproduce it the same way as we talked about. And you can't do it the same way because that's redundancy. But also, many times, we have the experience and we start to try. Because trying is matter, trying to change matter. So we're forcing, we're controlling, we're predicting. And then when we do that, then of course we're in separation.

And we're waiting for the event to happen to feel the emotion, right? And I've done that long enough. And it's actually have to lay down the very thing we used our whole life that get we want for something greater to occur. And it takes practice of surrender, right? So that's one element. I also think that our response is emotionally like, let's just say that a person gets connected to the future. They get connected to the energy of the future. They feel it. It's really great. Then they start their day and then two hours later they're feeling something else because some person or some circumstance altered their state. Well, they just disconnected from the energy of the future and now they're

back to the energy of the past. Don't expect anything to change in your life because then work that way. So then when they get back to that old self again, then they say, what's wrong with me? I failed. They didn't do it right. No, that's all the program. You show up again and you go after it again. So familiar feelings cause us to no longer see through the lens of the future. We're seeing through the lens of the past.

And we color reality that way. So I think familiar emotions get in the way as well. And then of course there's always belief. And a belief is just a thought you keep thinking over and over again until you hardwired in your brain. And all beliefs are based on past experience. A person has an experience, the stronger the emotion they have from that circumstance, the more they pay attention to the cause and the brain freezes a frame, takes a snapshot

and that's called the memory. The moment they draw a conclusion about that experience, they'll think neurologically within those circuits and they'll feel chemically within the boundaries of the emotion. Thinking and feeling, thinking and feeling, belief becomes an unconscious or subconscious state of being. Most people don't even know they have beliefs about things, about God, about relationships, about money, because it's not a conscious thing, it's a subconscious thing. So in order to change a belief or a perception

about yourself and your life, you gotta go all in. It's not like you go 50% in, you got to go all in, you got to make a decision with such firm intention that the amplitude of that decision carries a level of energy that causes the body to respond to the mind, that the choice that you make becomes a moment in time you'll never forget and you would say, I remember the moment,

it made up my mind to change. And the stronger the emotion you feel, the more you'll pay attention to the decision, and that's a huge stone you drop in the quantum field, big splash, big waves. And in an essence, we're giving the body a taste, the motionally of the future. We're aligning to a new future.

Now, how many times do you have to do that? I don't know. We've done it over and over again. So it becomes uncompromising. And people say, I remember when I made up my mind to change. I remember I made up my mind to heal. I remember the moment I can tell you where I was, who I was with, what time of day it was.

It wasn't like 9-11 11 something outer world changing your inner world Your inner world is changing your inner world. Which is ultimately gonna change your outer world. So I Mean people say well, I I I believe God lives within me divine lives within me Okay, you set them down to do a meditation 10 minutes goes by and they're hungry. They quit If you knew the divine lived within you you wouldn't quit You would you would you would be like, I'm here. And you're going to go a little deeper, a little further. You're going to get past your hunger, you're going to get past your pain.

You're going to go a little further because like, you want to know, right? If you knew it was there, so that's a belief that you're not aware of, right? So we all have them. I face them every day. So people have beliefs that, like, that the divine has an opinion about them. It's impossible to judge. It would divide itself. I can't do that.

So as we start having these experiences, I think then our paradigms shifts many times, at least for me. I can't tell you how many times I've had a transcendental moment come back to Joe the Spenser and looked out in this world and I said, I got this all wrong. This is not about abstaining from life. Who's the opposite? It's about going all in and really engaging and really living and really experiencing and tasting and smelling and eating and loving and have explored here for that. We're here for all of that. So you create

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, one of the other blind spots or beliefs that I think way, even that sometimes goes the other way, and that in not what you're saying, I know what you're saying, but one of the ways that we find out audience struggles is deducing the energy of the people around you and the energy that you attract into your life and the people that you keep. Often, like you said, there are people coming to your seminars that are dragging their partners.

And if to drag their partners there, because their partners are not understanding it initially, where is that, is there a method for people to start deducing the energy of people they meet and connect with to be aware if they're on the same frequency or on the same path. Ah, well, I don't know if there's a machine that does that, but once again, I think that if we share the same experiences, because we like the same things, we share the same emotions,

and if we share the same experiences, we share the same emotions. And if we share the same experiences, we share the same emotions, I can relate to you so we can exchange ideas and information. And if we share the same energy, energy is information. So many people, as an example, they use each other to reaffirm their dependency on suffering. So I suffer more than you, then you say, I suffer more than me. We have this thing, we just complain with each other. Well, that's the same resonance, the same frequency, and there's a match, right? But goes to the same means, if you're someone who's has a accountability partner that you exchange ideas like this with, and it's a different frequency, and different energy. So when energy comes together and it's constructive, something comes out of it.

You feel it, right? You feel an elevation. If there's dissonance, then your sensing meter is how you feel about that person many times in your gutter, in your heart, or wherever, and there's destructive interference and there's no energy involved. So I think that's just a practice, but really the ultimate mastery is to be able to be in such a resonance, such coherence, that when you walk in the room that you raise

everybody's energy and you don't let your energy drop because of any circumstance or any condition, and that would be greater than your environment, right? And that's the model that we use. So imagine 1,500 people in an event where everybody's getting super coherent, and the interference that's going on in the room is creating these high amplitudes. Now, we've measured that in the room, and the energy in the room is off the chart many times. I mean, there's energy for healing in there. There's energy for all kinds of things that can happen. So we brought it to life with our awareness.

And so the more elevated the emotion, love, gratitude, freedom, bliss, ecstasy, the higher the frequency. So, but it turns out you can have a collective group of people with a lot of energy and being coherent and it creates entropy. You can have a smaller group of people that are highly coherent and put out a very big signal. So, when we see a collective really get coherent, wow, the energy in the room opens up doors

of possibilities that I would never expect. I mean, I don't know how to explain some of the phenomenological things that happen, but that's everybody's divine. Like everybody's in that state. They're in that elevated state. So I think our truth meter is really whether we feel it lifted or we feel like we've been robbed.

Yeah, and often our feeling of feeling lifted really whether we feel it lifted or we feel like we've been robbed. Yeah. Yeah. And often, often our feeling of feeling lifted is based on everything we've just talked about, it's based on a void, based on an unhield trauma, based on a gap or a part of ourselves that we haven't yet broken a belief. And so often feeling lifted is not feeling lifted in the way you're saying. Right And so often feeling lifted is not feeling lifted in the way you're saying. It's feeling lifted in the just the external superficial sense.

I can't. Reaffirming the emotion you need. Just as you said earlier at the beginning that an external event could make you feel sad. The external event is making you feel good. Right, right. But it's still externally. Exactly.

The opposite. So then that means then when things are good, you feel good. Yeah. When things are bad, you feel good, but it's still extended. Exactly. The opposite. Right, I was so about it, so then that means then, when things are good, you feel good. Yeah. When things are bad, you feel bad. So there's dramatic contrast and polarity, and this is the realm of polarity, right? So how do you find the middle path?

Well, the hardest the middle path, it's the union of polarity. It's the union of opposites. It's oneness, it's homeless, and this is where we have to begin to create from. All of this down here is all humanity. This is all our animal nature. We get up and hear things change, right? You go from selfish to selfless.

It's something else happens. So it's really funny, too, because when a lot of people come, they say, I don't know I'm having difficulty opening my heart. I'm practicing, but I'm not feeling anything yet. And then it comes time to do our healings and other people. And the moment you, there's no longer about you, there's something you have. Of course, that's what the heart is about. Right? So it comes in ways that we least expect at times.

Yeah. I love that you've incorporated that element of people having that experience. And often most people can't open their heart to others because they haven't even opened their heart to themselves. They haven't even opened their heart to themselves. They haven't been through that process of sitting long enough to let the heart, I mean, I always say to people, one is the last time you sat with your heart and just worked with it, like so that it's not contracted and afraid and protected. It takes practice to do that. And so we work with people in letting them, we have the numerous opportunities to practice this

over and over and over again, and soon and later, pedal by pedal, it starts to bloom and all of a sudden there's an authentic smile on their face. And one synergy meets the heart, it goes right to the brain. We have, we did this study where we hooked up an electrocardiogram to an electroencephalogram. An electroencephalogram was a brain mapping machine. We measured 19 or 26 different compartments and we're looking to see all different kind of activity in the brain.

But we measured the heart along with it. When the heart starts beating coherently, in a sense of order, like taking a big sheet, J, and going like that, the heart sends a wave right up to the brain. And the brain goes into these beautiful states of alpha. The heart is telling the brain it's safe to create again. It's safe to imagine.

It's safe to dream of a new future. And there's the stroke volume of the heart in order, and then you see these two or three seconds, a beautiful coherent alpha. The brain is in that creative state. Then there's a pause, and it happens again. Yeah, it's beauty, it's a symphony. If you don't have that mechanism, you can have all the intention in the world, but there's

no carrier wave. I mean, when people, when they make energy reach their heart, there's an external field that's created. It's magnetic. It's measurable. And that energy is frequency. And if that frequency is coherent, it can carry the intent or thought on a coherent brain of that future.

The energy of suffering cannot carry the thought of health or wealth. It's not consistent with it. It carries a different set of thoughts. So then the training then is getting people into those hard states because once they start trading that fear or that pain or that frustration or trying or whatever forcing control for gratitude and they just let all that go and I say to them, listen, if you can't feel gratitude of you can't feel love, I just want to know what you've been practicing feeling every day because that feeling that you're practicing is what you're always feeling. Now let's practice feeling something else in the beginning.

It's not going to be easy, but you got to keep following the formula, keep doing it, keep doing it, keep doing it. Well, when I start feeling gratitude, it's very interesting because the emotional signature of gratitude is that something wonderful just happened to you, something favorable is happened to you. Something favorable is happening to you, right? So you've just received something, or you're receiving something, you say thank you. So gratitude is the ultimate state

of receiving emotionally. So when you move into a state of gratitude and you open your heart, you will accept, believe, and surrender to the thoughts equal to that emotional state and you'll program your autonomic nervous system into a different destiny. You could say, I'm healthy, I'm healthy, I'm healthy, I'm wealthy, I'm wealthy, I'm wealthy, I'm wealthy, I'm free, I'm free, I'm free, and your body is conditioned in the

misery and it's saying, no, you're not. And that thought stops right at the brainstem. It never makes it to the body because the body is on a different program. So then while the person starts trading that and they start opening their heart, well, their immune system gets stronger by 50%. 50% in three days, they start making immunoglobulins. Their body's natural defense against viruses and bacteria is 50%. Not a little bit.

A lot. That's one study. And so trading that, telling the body, it's in the environment where it already happened. And so that's when the miracles start happening. That's when people say, I'm not doing anything. Well, of course you're not. You don't have to. So then last point about this, because it's so important that people understand that most people are creating matter to matter. So the more you live by the hormones of stress, the more ultra-duar inside of you, the rush of those adrenal chemicals narrows your focus, the senses are heightened and we become

materialists. And now all of our attention is on our bodies, on our environment and on time, and now we're lost in the VR machine of three-dimensional reality. Everything appears as separate. So I'm here and you're there and there's space and time between us. And then there's meat here and there's my dreams. I place them way out there in the future. Why do I place them out there? Because I'm estimating how much I have to work to get that house, to get that car, how much I have to save, how much overtime I have to work, what things do I have to do? How do I have to cheat, rob, steal, lie, whatever I have to do to get it, right? That's matter trying to change matter. And so when it doesn't happen, we feel more separation, we try harder, we force, we pray, we control all that stuff.

So then creating from the field instead of from matter means that you have to take all of your attention off your body, all of your attention off all the people in your life, all of your attention off all the objects and things, all the places and even time itself and become nobody, no one, no thing, nowhere, no time. If you're not any of those things, what are you? Your consciousness. And now you are liberated from the rules of three-dimensional reality where everything takes time and energy to get what you want.

And when we create from the field, instead of from matter, because it's not matter that's emitting the field, it's actually the field that's creating matter. Change the field, you change matter, right? Now this is not something you take one bite of and you get something you got to really practice. So then by doing this properly with a coherent brain and a coherent heart, you have a Wi-Fi signal. And if you're creating from the field instead of from matter, you no longer have to go anywhere to get what you want. If you were connected to that invisible field of energy called the unified field, the quantum field, which connects everything physical and material and you're aware of it and you're connected

to it. You're connected to source. Why would you, if you were source, why would you go get anything? You draw it to you. So the thought, coherent brain, is the intent, it's the electrical charge. The elevated emotion, the heart, has a magnetic signature. It's the magnetic charge. The thought, sending the signal out.

It's a directive. The feeling is drawing the event back. Create that combination. And now you're going to collapse space and time, and you're going to draw those synchronicities to you. Now, I'm here in this lifetime. I'm clear that I want to master that. I want to get good at that, because I did the other stuff. You can get successful the other way, but you're too tired. It takes too much energy.

I would rather synchronize my energy to synchronize in my life and be mystified. By wow, this stuff really works. Every synchronicity that happens that catches you off guard and brings you joy and awe and wonder, you're going to use that energy to create the next one. And it gets weird. I've had some crazy synchronicities in the last three days. I'm laughing while I'm driving going, oh my God, this life is so incredibly mysterious. What an amazing ride this is. That's a different perspective one is when you're not synchronizing.

Well, you asked the person, was it worth it? You showed up every day, was it worth it? Absolutely. So when it starts happening, and you start seeing those, you see feedback in your world, you're gonna pay attention to what you did, and you're gonna do it again, and you're gonna be like, okay, I've done this, I've done this,

and I've done this, and people who heal themselves have very little difficulty healing someone else. It's just the next step. And then with COVID, and we couldn't do the healings in our events, we had students just get together and say, if we're in the quantum, okay, and everything's connected. Do I really need to be there? I just need a target.

Give me the face, give me the coordinate. Love transcends space and time. Okay, give me that coordinate. I'll love that person in the life. And these people do it. And we have we have reputable universities now that are studying this phenomenon and they're saying they're telling me these are universities that have some change the conversation in medicine. And today I got a video of somebody being healed remotely. And she's laying there her cancer went from really bad to nothing. And she videotapes herself when the group works on her. She is laying there and her body is moving all over that floor. It's twisting and turning, there's energy manipulating that body. They're changing the pattern in the field.

They don't need, the body is the illusion, the tumors, the illusion, that's the hologram. Change the pattern in the field, you change the projection and it's readimensionally, I'm like, are a person who's healed themselves and been in a circle where they've healed someone else? Well, how, and then when you do that, what's next?

I don't know. You won't know until you have that experience. I've sat in on the groups where they get together on the zooms and five people that they've healed tell their story. You know, a mother whose daughter's unresponsive with an injury or a handicap from birth, who's now looking at her brothers, who's trying to talk, who's smiling, who's present.

The mother's telling the story, there's 40 people on the Zoom who are all crying. Not crying for any other reason, but the species is helping, the living organism called the human being is healing one another. They're informing one another, taking care of one, something innate is awakening as we're crying. The experience of that produces an emotion.

That's different than any other emotion you could ever feel. That's a new experience. Do you think that that person who goes to heal the next person is going to have a problem opening their heart after that, they know what the payoff is. And so they don't contract, oh my God, that person has an a coma. You know, how many people have come out of coma because of this healing group? They're spot out, they can hit a target.

And they lay their energy over that field and another one over there and another one over and all of a sudden you get these complex coherent patterns and it's creating a change in matter and they figured it out and we have universities that are we're collecting all the data and they're crunching all the algorithms. We know that it works really well for anxiety. It works really well for insomnia, for neurological disorders, Parkinson's disease, inflammation, we're capturing that pain, huge changes in pain. And they're on the other side of the planet.

It's kind of, and we're synchronizing, we're measuring heart rate variability and we're sending electrodes and sensors to the people that are being healed. And we're seeing if there's a correlation between the coherence of the group that's still in the coherence of the person who's having the experience. And we're measuring DNA before the healing and three days of healing, we measure the DNA after why? Because evidence is allowed as voice. You see that. It's the four minute mile. But you can't go back to being the same person. I scratch my head sometimes when I'm standing on the stage and there's someone speaking

to the audience who has had a very serious health condition and they don't look like a vegan and they don't look gluten free and they don't look young and they don't look buffed and they don't look like they're in shape. They just look like a normal person that has struggled with a health condition and they're telling the truth. They are, you are witnessing the truth. They are the example of truth. In other words, they have the scans, they have the blood test. It's gone. And I'm looking out in the audience, Jay, and everybody is leaning in. Nobody is moving there. They are in awe of the four minute mile right in front of them. Somebody broke through, somebody pierced that veil, somebody broke out of that level of consciousness. And that story is filled with truth. Not not my words, it's their words. They just showed up

every day for themselves. They just kept showing up and believing in it and they became it, right? You ask that person, where's the disease? They'll tell you it's in the old person. I'm not the same, it says, can't be there. The person in the audience who's relating to that person with the same rare genetic disorder, the same lupus, the same cancer, don't you know that their belief is gonna change right in front of them? And instead of taking two years to do it, they do it in three months.

Why? Because as soon as the four minute mile is broken. Yeah. The next one of the broke up was two weeks later, and there's been 1400 people have done it. I mean, it's not a thing anymore, right? So to me, that's, we have such compelling evidence in science

with brain scans. You can make your brain work better, you can make your heart work better, you can make your immune system work better, you can make your cells go from really sick to really healthy, we've got great evidence. You can become immune to serious viruses, you can be immune to the bacteria, we've got the measurements. You can blank in your life. We have great evidence and the people aren't monks, they're not non-s, they're not religious

scholars, they're just common people. And then we have testimony of people who are the example of truth. They are, they are the example of truth. I would rather have dinner with those people than anybody else. They know something, right? So evidence then becomes the loudest voice, right? And that's what I think what people are looking for right now. The truth is so lost in sensationalism and

The truth is so lost in emotional agreement and so people who want to feel fear They program themselves and accept believe in surrender that people who want to be hate hate be hateful It's all there. It's all there. It's a matrix to find the way out, right? And I think there's a door. I just think that we have to trust the innate information that comes from within us. Absolutely fascinating. And I can't wait to actually experience an event in real life. I'm going to invite you one more time and then I'm going to send somebody over here in a car to pick you up and take it.

Well, I think last time we wanted to do it, and then the pandemic yet. So, you know, from last time better, no, I would love to. I can't wait to experience that and to experience it personally, not just to watch others, but to actually go through it myself too. But with all of that said, and seeing these breakthroughs,

seeing these breakthrough in patterns, you having transcendental experiences, what do you believe in this present state of ignorance, as you said? What do you believe in this present state of ignorance, as you said? What do you believe is the purpose of life, overall? The figure out the purpose of life. Okay. No, I mean, I really think it's, I think the mathematics that I've looked at says there's

infinite experiences that have you will never know the end. So then if you study any religion, I mean I've looked at a lot of them. This concept of eternity, that the soul is going to be around for eternity. That's a long time. And that means you got to be okay with you for a very long time. So I think it's the creation of more experiences. I think we came from source, from singularity, from oneness. We have descended down into density, a fold by our senses into separation. Every single being has a spark of oneness of the divine within them. And we got so separate that we now have our own free will to answer the question, is there more?

Because if you're oneness, it's kind of boring after a while. Is there anything else? Well, moment you ask, if there's anything else, you're no longer oneness, you're something other than oneness, right? And you're a different consciousness, separate from oneness. So I think then we live life. and you're a different consciousness, separate from oneness. So I think then we live life and then when we can predict the feeling of everything

that can happen in our life and gets boring and we're not impressed by anyone or anything, we ask the same question, is there more? And that's when the soul goes, all right, well, it's been how many lifetimes you've been doing this. Okay, there's an awakening. And we ask that question, and then all of a sudden, we start getting information and books and stuff

and meet people and it gets exciting. And it's how the universe works. And so we climb out of this. And I just think there's so many incredible experiences that are left in the unknown that we get to have. And then of course, when the journey's over and you evolve to that point, then you take that wisdom. And you say, here's what I learned. And it was scary down there. And I'm, boy, I tell a great story. And then you hang out there and you go, is there anything else besides? And then here we go

again. It just never ends. I don't know. That that's my theory that's a great answer. I loved it I resonate deeply with many parts of that answer. I think it's it's a really beautifully put way of thinking about it and bringing in that like I said at the beginning bringing in that spiritual that science and the experience of Of what it would actually look like to live for eternity. So it's a beautiful beautiful answer Dr. Joe we end every episode with the final five. These are the fast five questions where the answers have to be one word

to one sentence maximum. Okay. So this is... I don't remember this from last time, so this is good. Yeah, and I'll probably break my rule with you because you give phenomenal answers. No, I'll give it all. I'll do my best.

So I'll try my best as well. Me too. I'll try my best as well. Me too. I'll try my best as well. Okay, so Dr. Joe, these are your final five. The first question is, what is the best advice you've ever received? I'll show up for yourself. What's the worst advice you've ever received?

Believe what people tell you. What's something that you've said in the past that you were confident about it then, but now upon reflection, you're like, oh, I should have changed my mind about that. Oh, that it takes a long time to create reality. Oh, I'm gonna ask you to expand on that because I like that on so I wanna know more.

That's fascinating. Well, I think just like anything else, you learn how to snowboard, you go through that learning curve, you learn how to ride a bike, you go through that learning curve, you learn how to ride a bike, you go through that learning curve, that I used to think that creation was hard. I just thought it took a lot of energy and it took a lot of sacrifice and it worked for it. And, and, and, oh, God, I mean, even my definition of surrender today is very different than it was just three months ago because I'm always doing it.

And so I think that it doesn't have to be that way. I just think that it could be any way you want and that and I'm working on that, changing that belief. I love that. Beautiful answer. Thank you for sharing that. Question number four, what's one thing that you think people value, but you don't. Oh, other people's opinions. If I really cared what people thought, I would have stopped this a long time ago. And now it's so great because I have so many searchers

and physicians and everybody in the community. I'm very glad you didn't stop. And we are very happy you didn't stop. I think it's deeply meaningful work. And the more time we spend together and the more time I hear where you want to take people and what you want people to experience is just beautiful. So thank you for what you're doing. Thanks.

Fifth and final question. If you could create one Lord that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be? Take care of one another. That's in simple. It's beautiful. I love that. Everyone, Dr. Joe dispends an amazing, amazing interview. So many fascinating insights. I hope you're going to listen to this one twice. Make sure you go through, make some notes, and you can follow Dr. Joe on Instagram, on Facebook, on YouTube.

Is there anywhere particularly you'd like anyone to find you or anything you have right now that people can start getting excited about? You know, yeah, sure. First of all, website, we just built a new website and I realized during COVID that my greatest value is our community. We have our community, we're doers. We do the work, you know, and I love us. I love people who walk their talk, you know,

and so we built a new website. So the website, Dr. Joe, the Spenza, super cool, it's got really great resources there. We're releasing this new program called the formula. And after all the research that we've done, we figured out that if we could just teach it in small episodes and give people the meditations, the practice and each meditation builds on the next, then it's not too overwhelming, and you want to turn it on to your boss or

to your spouse or to somebody you love. It's just in smaller bite chunks, and there's a lot of content there. So the formula will be out sometime, and I think the end of April will be. I love that. I love hearing that. Yeah, that sounds fascinating. I think that's what we need more than ever. I think people right now, especially in their homes, are needing the formulas.

Well, I'm happy to contribute anything. Yeah. I love that. Make sure you go and check out the formula. End of April. It will be out. So probably by the time you listen to this, it will be available. Go and check out the website. We will put all the links into the description. So you can follow Dr. John's social media and check out his website and the formula program. Dr. Jody spends a thank you so much. It's been a real fun having you back. Thank you for your beautiful answers and heartfelt answers.

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