On Purpose with Jay Shetty - Dr. Mark Hyman ON: How The Healthiest People Make Smart Choices About Their Food, Wellbeing And Medicine

Episode Date: January 4, 2021

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He's a practicing family physician and an internationally recognized leader, speaker, educator, and advocate in the field of functional medicine. He's the founder and director of the Ultra Wellness Center, the head of strategy and innovation of the Cleveland Clinic Center for functional medicine, a 13-time New York Times best selling author and former president for clinical affairs for the Institute for Functional Medicine. the doctor's pharmacy. I highly recommend listening to it and checking it out. Dr. Hyman is a regular medical contributor to several TV shows and networks, including CBS this morning.

Today, good morning America, the view and CNN. He's also an advisor and guest co-host on the Doctor Us Show. This is an episode I'm so excited about where we will dive deep into how to save our health, our economy, our communities, and our planet one by the time with the discussion about his latest book, Food Fix. Welcome to the show. Hi, man. Thank you so sweet. Thank you, Jay. So fun to be with you. Oh, it's so fun to be with you. I loved our Instagram like we were just sharing. We did that

just before lockdown and the pandemic and everything kind of shifted. And I'm remembering back to doing it with you. And I loved it so much. And I'm so glad we're actually getting to spend this quality time together now and really dive into this great book you've written. Thank you, thank you.

It was really the combination of life's work to connect the dots between everything we love and care about and how they're connected in ways that we don't imagine but that we actually solve the problem of food. We solve the problems of chronic disease, of the stress on our economy, of the disintegration of our communities, of racism, of environmental destruction,

climate change, national security, kids education, I mean, all of us connected to food. And it's really such a joy to be able to share how those things are connected and actually what we can do about it. Because it's not called food apocalypse, it's called food fix. Absolutely, absolutely.

And I can't wait to dive into all areas of that with you because I think we don't realize how powerful and influential food is, not just in our bodies, not just in our minds, but in the world. And I know that inside this book, you've gone into so many studies and so much research to really show the impact of food in the world. But I actually want to start somewhat a bit more personal with you because I was discovering some fascinating things about you. And this was one that I loved that I feel there's no better way to start this interview

than letting our audience know that you were a yoga teacher before you were a doctor. That is true. I mean, I was like, wow, that's cool. Yeah, actually, I majored in Buddhism and Asian studies and Asian religions in college. And I wasn't going to be a doctor. I was going to be a monk. And I actually decided, well, you know, I'm not sure I want to be a monk. Maybe I'll just try to be a doctor and be a service in that way. And it was really driven out of the notion of compassion and service that was so embedded in Buddhism and I learned

about in college. So yeah, I better become a yoga teacher and decided to become a doctor after that. So it was an afterthought, and I'm still working at it. I love that. I love that. Well, when we get on to that, it means you're thinking like a month for sure. So I love that.

But tell me a bit more about that compassion piece that you were sharing there, because I think it's really interesting that people get involved in medicine for so many reasons. People get get involved in medicine for so many reasons, people get involved in being authors for so many reasons, but it sounds like your kind of foundation was wanting to help people, wanting to make a deal. Yeah. I mean, I think when I really studied Buddhism, obviously looking for answers as a young

man of 18, 19 years old and what's the truth and what's the meaning of life. And in it, I realized it was a description of how to heal suffering. And the focus of Buddhism isn't a religion, it's a methodology for healing and relieving suffering and understanding the way our minds work that causes to suffer so much. And I began to really focus on this notion of how we don't have to suffer and why we suffer. And it was really that that led me to understanding that I could actually be in that space of service and working on healing through not just, you know, being among, but actually being a doctor and actually helping patients and people understand how to heal chronic disease,

which is what I do. And so I think, so I think there's so much suffering in the world. There's so much burden that everybody suffers from both psychologically, physically, and so many different ways. And I was really drawn to doing something to help deal with that. And that's really what led me to becoming a doctor. Yeah, that's beautiful.

Thank you for sharing that. I think it's a really unique way of looking at it because I think for so many of us, sometimes we can be dealing with physical or emotional pain or issues for such a long time before we even think that there's something we need to do about it. Sometimes people are living with chronic issues

for such a long time. And we don't really listen or hear from the body or from the mind what we need to change. So when you look at it that way, that you can change what suffering you choose and what you let go in, it's huge. Tell me one more thing, oh, sorry, you're gonna say something.

No, I'm gonna say, you know, like, what's your mission in life? You know, it's like, it's really to end needless suffering. There's some suffering you can't avoid, but there is a lot of needless suffering. And the place where I feel most effective is really helping people understand that they can heal from chronic disease using a new strategy, which is functional medicine. It's really an approach of using food as medicine, but it's understanding the root causes, it's understanding the

body of the system, it's really helping restore and regenerate health as opposed to treat disease. And people suffer and us, acerally. And I think this goal of, for my life, has really been to sort of bring this way of thinking and helping people into a broader perspective. And that's really what I do at Cleveland Clinic. We're publishing research on this. It's really gratifying to see that actually, that it's catching on. That people now understand what this is see that actually, that it's catching on, that people now understand

what this is, that they understand that our current medical paradigm isn't really solving a lot of their problems. And I got there because I was sick. I got very, very ill when I was young, from chronic fatigue, living in China, got mercury poisoning, and ended up having, just, you know, my body just collapsed.

And I had to literally reverse engineer my way to health using principles of functional medicine of how to restore my health. And I realized it was applicable to so many patients, you know, people with autoimmune diseases and digestive disorders and moon disorders and Alzheimer's and autism and diabetes and metabolic issues, all the things that people suffer

from that we don't really deal well with traditional medicine is what I really focused on. Hi, I'm David Eagleman. I have a new podcast called Inner Cosmos on I Heart. I'm a neuroscientist and an author at Stanford University and I've spent my career exploring the three-pound universe in our heads. On my new podcast, I'm going to explore the relationship between our brains and our experiences by tackling unusual questions so we can better understand our lives and our

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It doesn't always work out. I would love that, but I have like a Cholala who is aggressive towards strangers. I love the dogs. We learn about the places we're visiting, yes, but I have like a Cholala who is aggressive towards strangers. We learn about the places we're visiting, yes, but we also learn about ourselves. I don't spend as much time thinking about how I'm going to die alone when I'm traveling, but I get to travel with someone I love. Oh, see, I love you too.

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And I love how so much of the good we do, always comes from some sort of pain in our own. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing that you've been able to go and take it so far and not just take it far, but you're really challenging the status quo. Let's start there actually with food fix. You know, I doubt people take the time to actually think

that the food industry has an agenda of their own, but can you give us some ways in which the industry is strategic and how it advances its own goals and missions? That's what, like most of us are going to like that. Oh boy, that its own goals of missions. That's what most of us are doing. Oh boy, that's a can of worms. So there are a lot of unintended consequences that have led to our current food system that were born out of good intentions. We wanted to feed the world.

We wanted to have the ability to grow lots of food for a lot of people and quite a lot of calories at scale and modernize agriculture. And that was happening in the 50s and 60s, which led to this commercialization of industrial agriculture, which led to enormous amounts of star-cheat industrial food being produced. Right? So we were all enamored with astronaut food and processed food and tang, instead of orange juice. And unfortunately, that's led to a method of growing food that's produced the worst food on the planet. It's mostly ultra-processed food, which is made from soy corn and wheat and different extruded color size shapes and forms. It's all deadly, about 60% of our calories, and it's also led to destruction of the environment, through destruction of the soil,

and biodiversity of plants and animals and insects and also stresses on our water and increasing climate change and all the pollution from the incredible amount of pesticides and herbicides. And we use 6 billion pounds around the world of glyphosate, which is pretty toxic. And we use 400 billion pounds of nitrogen fertilizer, which has all kinds of devastating consequences. So the way we're growing the food and the food that we're growing is devastating our health and devastating planetary health. And so the problem is that the food industry is the biggest industry on the planet. It's 15

billion, sorry, trillion with a T dollar industry that is now trying to maintain a status quo unfortunately, which is not a good one. So it was like they said, oh, we're going to make people sick and fat and we're going to destroy the environment. They just didn't know, but now they know. And so there's a very concerned effort to control our food policy, which is, you know, what, as a doctor, why would I be caring about politics and food policy? It occurred to me as I'm sitting in my office, saying patience, one on one, that I can't cure diabetes in my office. It's cured in the kitchen, in the grocery store, in the farm. And I need to look upstream and look at the root causes. And to be able to say, well, what's causing the food that they're eating that's making

them sick? Well, it's the food system. What's causes the food system? It's our food policies. And why do we have the food policies? We have because it's a food lobby that drives that. And so they drive a lot of this status quo. And they do it in government policy

and we spend half a billion dollars just on the farm bill. In one year, in 2005, the GMO labeling law was defeated because the food industry collectively spent $192 million on one bill in lobby. And they do this by driving our dietary guidelines policy or agricultural policies that promote the growth of these raw materials or commodities for ultra-processed food. They do it through controlling what we can say on food labels. They control the restrictions on marketing so we can't actually limit marketing for junk food. And across the whole multiple 10 agencies of the government, there's so many policies that are influencing our food system that are often at odds with each

other contradictory, but they're in the interest of the food industry. So that's happening. And then they're also copying science. So the national health spends a billion dollars on research for nutrition. Food industry spends 12 billion. Most of it's propaganda. Like, you know, if the dairy council says milk is nature's perfect food, while all the studies show that or Coca-Cola finds it, you know, when they find a study that obesity

has nothing to do with soda. No, so it doesn't make sense. They also fund groups that are front groups, like the American Council on Science and Health, which sounds like a great noble cause with crop life or you know The group for sustainable agriculture and they're all front groups for the food industry to propagate their agenda and Create misinformation And then there's they co-op public health groups like the American Heart Association American diabetes Association a cadmium nutrition

Dietetics 40% of their budget is from the food industry. So they're not giving independent advice. And then they caught social groups like the NAACP and Hispanic Federation and groups that are doing, you know, good in the world, they fund them for example. I was showing a movie that I was in, a number of years called FETUP, which is about childhood obesity and the problem we have with the food industry and sugar and starch. And I went down there and I met with the number of years called Fedup, which is about childhood obesity and the problem we have with the food industry

and sugar and starch. And I went down there and I met with the head of the Ebony through Baptist Church, which is Martin Luther King's Church, went with his daughter, Bernice King. And they were very excited to get behind this and have a screening at the King Center of Atlanta. And I was excited about this. And a few days later, I got a call,

so we can't have this showing at the King Center. I'm like, why? So we'll Coca-Cola funds the have this showing at the King Center. I'm like, why? So we'll Coca-Cola funds the food industry, uh, funds the King Center. So it's pretty frightening when you see all these different strategies to target certain groups, to put out wrong science, to support, um, misinformation through these front groups, through influencing public health groups, through controlling policy. And it's, it's, it's a really devastating effect, which has led to the fact that six out of 10 Americans have a chronic disease.

It's 75% of us are overweight, that 42% are obese, that 88% are metabolic, beyond healthy. I mean, just take that in for a minute. 12% of Americans are metabolic, but healthy. I mean, 88% are not. And these people are more risk for COVID-19 and other chronic diseases. So we really have this crisis moment here. And I think we need to understand how all these things

are related. And then we need to design a strategy to both from a grassroots level, from a business innovation level, from philanthropy and from clearly policy to change what's happening. Wow. I mean, that is one news update in a great way. I was with you the whole time. You know, when I hear that and I think about my community, my audience listening or watching or anyone consuming this right now, it's like it can feel very overwhelming to the individual.

For the individual that doesn't have the feeling of just like there's two things that come to mind. One is like, do these people realize that they're actually destroying people's lives? Because you know, at the end of the day, it's like you said, it's not a conspiracy theory, it's not like it started that way, but now that they're aware, and we continue to fund it in that direction, and mainly people feeling quite helpless. Where is a great place for people to get started? Of course, this book for people to get educated, because I feel like the biggest challenge in making choices when you're like, oh my god, I can't trust the labels.

I can't trust the ingredients on the back. Where do people trust? Where do they find trust? Is really good. Well, you know, I spent a lot of time when I wrote the book Food Fix to dive into practical solutions, both for individuals, for businesses, policies. And I created a food fix action diet. It's free.

They can go to foodfixbook.com and download it. Essentially it gives you 20 of the top things you can do as citizens and individuals to have an impact, to change your health and change society and change planetary health and drive policy and drive businesses. And it works. When we change what we want to do,

we vote with our wallet, we vote with our voice, we vote with our voice, we vote with our fork, and we vote with our vote, we see massive change. I mean, General Mills and Denon, which are two big food companies, are now funding farmers to convert their lands to regenerative agriculture. So they're literally stepping up and doing what the government isn't doing, and funding farmers to transform agriculture to produce nutrient dense food in a way that Restores the soil, restores the plant nutrition and restores human health. That's groundbreaking and it's because we can make those choices. So I talk about how do you become a regeneratorian? How do you regenerate your own health? And how do you regenerate planetary health and our social communities and their health. And it's pretty simple, right? It's eating real food.

It's not buying into the industrial food that we're all eating. It's just hard to do for some people, but I get real clear resources on what to look for, where to buy things, where to buy things that are not necessarily expensive because people think it's expensive to do this, but it actually can be done really at scale

in a way that isn't going to break the bank. You have to become a smart consumer. You have to refood labels. You have to seek out different sources of food, whether it's community, spare agriculture or farmers markets or online retailers that sell direct to consumer, like Thrive Market or Mariposa Ranch, which actually sell regenerally raised beef and other animal foods that are really healthy for you. And there's things you can do if you get inspired in your own community, you can be an agent of change, right? Maybe you want to get your local government to start a

compost ordinance. So you'll compost your food because food waste is a huge problem. Like 40% of our food is wasted and it's one of the biggest drivers of climate change. It's a bigger contributor methane than cows. And it's all your vegetables, you're throwing in the compost, I mean in the landfill. And you can actually start to understand how to do these things for yourself, maybe have a compost pile in your group. If you want to be an active activist, you can turn up the heat on your politicians and food companies by finding organizations that are doing it and supporting them or lobbying your representatives.

I mean, you can actually have an impact locally and you can decide maybe you wanna work in your school and help the school of lynching nutrition be better and people have done that. And so in the book, it's just full of examples of actually how to take control of your own health and your own life and your own community. And it's working.

I mean, it's why we're seeing the changes we're seeing. Yeah, absolutely. And thank you for creating that action guide, everyone. That's foodfixbook.com. If you want to go and grab that because I think that's what people are looking for. I really believe that people are looking for action guides because that's where they know they need to start. And one of the things I'm fascinated by when I was looking at the book and I've been looking at your work, you talk about how I think it's like the average child between something like two and thirteen or fourteen you say like sees on average like ten to eleven junk food ads per day on it. Oh it's terrible. I mean the average kid sees probably ten thousand ads a year. And that's television. Now we're seeing stealth advertising. So a lot of these studies were done on food marketing

to kids. There's about $17 billion spent in 2004 when it was tracked on junk food advertising to kids. And the worse the food, the more the ads and the worse the ads were. And now Facebook, for example, last year had, you know, 500 billion ads for junk food on Facebook, right? It's just unbelievable how much. And there's stealth games for kids, like advert games where they're literally embedded propaganda for food companies. So,

little McDonald's go to the McDonald's store and go to get your burger king, whatever it's terrifying. So we see the biggest impact actually is this changes in food marketing. And in this country, there's the first amendment. You can't restrict people's right, first, right, right to the free speech. And now, but I don't think there's any law that prohibits us from protecting our children

from these kinds of messages because they can't tell the difference between reality and ad, tell her about eight or nine years old, and they're targeting these kids. And in Chile, when they actually repeal the ability or remove the ability for these companies to market between 6 a.m. and like I think 10 p.m. there was dramatic reduction in the use of these foods and dramatic reductions in obesity. But this country doesn't want to do that because it's such a big money maker for these companies. Yeah, that's really alarming because ultimately the people making their decisions are obviously

aware that the food's not healthy for people and it's not going to benefit their body or their mind, but they still continue to invest in creating challenges for kids. And I get asked randomly to invest or be a spokesperson for different brands or whatever it may be. And whenever it's something that's aimed at young people, I'm always just like, well, would you let... How old are you? I always ask you. How old your son are daughters and then tell me their age. And I'll be like, would you recommend them to use this product? And the amount of times I've heard people say no, I wouldn't. But I'm like, but you're selling this.

Like, you know, and it, and it, I'm just so confused by that. Do you think that's the level at which we have to change it? Like, it needs to change on the level where people go. My profitability is not as important as people's children. That's the level at which we have to change it. Like it needs to change on the level where people go, my profitability is not as important as people's children. Like it's really just changing. You know, I was really excited to hear, you know, this is a group called the Business Roundtable,

which is all the top businesses in America that get together with CEOs. And in the last meeting, they made a stand. They said we have to look not only shareholder value, but stakeholder value. What is the impact of our company, our customers, on the workers, on the environment?

Who are the stakeholders in the products we're creating? It's not just about profit and shareholder value, which I thought was a big step forward. I think we're seeing more movements towards conscious capitalism, but there's definitely in trench companies that just don't want to change. And they're not going to do it voluntarily. So there has to be sort of a parallel system that grows up that shows that this can happen.

And I think we're doing it. And I wanted to happen faster. But I think it's happening. Yeah, and how much of it is also, and I know you know the answer that is, but it's how much of it also is, is our addiction and habits because of the way those products have been created, so we also find it hard to let go of them. So I'll give you a personal example.

You know, I grew up eating four sugar products a day when I was young. And so, sorry, four chocolate products a day. Sorry, not four chocolate products a day. And so I would eat a chocolate biscuit, a chocolate bar, a chocolate ice cream, and a chocolate yogurt, nearly every single day of my life. And I was overweight as a child. I struggled with it, whether it was bullying

or whether it was just feeling unhealthy. And as I grow older, I started to realize that I was addicted to sugar, especially in chocolate. And I got so used to having it. And it took me to who I've talked to you about before, meeting my wife within to find me on alternatives. Because that's what I said to my wife. I was like, I need an alternative.

If I'm gonna have to shake this habit. Yeah. And so I ended up finding things sweetened with monk fruit and other things which have been amazing. But that's good for you, monk fruit, right? I know how ironic. I do not have any affiliation really whatsoever. But the intriguing thing to me about that

is that there are alternatives that exist. But I want to share this for the audience. It's like, I get what it feels like to be addicted to a food that may not be good for you. But how much we're addicted to these food? Yeah, I mean, this is a real problem, Jay. I think most people don't realize it. And they internalize the feelings they have about what they eat

and blame themselves. So, oh, why can't I stop eating this? Oh, I'm gaining weight. I just can't stop myself. And they think it's their fault that they're overweight or that they're sick. And then it's just a bunch of nonsense, and scientific nonsense.

Because when you look at the science of these foods, these ultra-processed pulverized foods that are high in starch and sugar, they're really designed to hijack our brain chemistry, our hormones and our metabolism in a very specific way. And these companies have organizations called Taste Institutes, where they hire craving experts in the science of craving, and they design their products in a specific way to create the bliss point of the food. What is that perfect crunch, taste, sugar, whatever it is salt, it's going to make you go boom, and have this pleasure sensation. And it's about dopamine. It's like heroin or cocaine. And it works in the same area of the brain.

And it's not just a theory. They know this. Of course, they deny it. Although one of the top executives from one of the big soda companies said to me, Mark, you want to come to our lab and see what we've done. We've actually been able to extract the taste buds from humans. And we grow them in a culture in the lab. And then we can stimulate lab and see what we've done. We've actually been able to extract the taste buds from humans, and we grow them in a culture in the lab.

And then we can stimulate them and see what's happening. Like, you do not want to be growing in there because I'm putting this all over social media. And it's a very scary thing. And so the science has shown, for example, that if you take a group of overweight guys, and one day you give them milk shake, it's a regular milk shake. And the next day you give them a trick milk shake,

which is exactly the same, except for the way in which the sugar is absorbed. So there's starch, and there's the same carbohydrate, the same protein, the same fat, the same fiber, the same calories. So exactly the same, and they taste the same. So they don't know what they're drinking. When they found that, when they had the one that had the sugar that was absorbed quickly,

compared to the one that's absorbed slowly, it created this pattern in their brain that lit up the same area called the nucleus accumbens as heroin or cocaine. And you can see it on a functional MRI. So this is not just a theory that, oh, it's maybe addictive. It's not really a true addiction. It actually is. And when they looked at their other biomarkers or blood levels of insulin, theory that, oh, it's maybe addictive. It's not really a true addiction. It actually is. And when they looked at their other biomarkers

or blood levels of insulin, sugar, adrenaline, cortisol, stress hormones, you literally sugar. Your stress hormones go up. So you can be meditating all day. But if you're eating sugar all day, you're in trouble. And I think we don't understand how powerful these foods are and how they hijack our biology. But within a very short time, literally just 10 days or less,

you literally can reset your biology, reset your brain chemistry, reset your hormones and your taste buds. And you know what I remember, I ran this course once in a Cropologe so yoga center near me. Yeah, I know it. Yeah, and it was sort of a sugar detox.

And this one came in and she's like, there's no way I can do this. I've been addicted to sugar my whole time, my whole life. I'm never gonna be able to get off this. I said just she's like, there's no way I can do this. I've been addicted to sugar my whole time, my whole life. I'm never gonna be able to get off this. I said, just do exactly what I'm saying. And just try to do this. And even a way that's gonna reset your biology

because food is medicine. And she's like, okay, I'll try it. Day two, she's like, I can't believe it anymore. Cravings, I don't want it. I don't need it. It's like my whole biology has changed. So I think people can be very empowered by making those kinds of changes.

And does it just to dive into that slightly a tiny bit more? Does should that change for people be extreme or is it incremental? So it's like, let's say someone's listening, they got a day in day consuming too much sugar or they're having too many sodas or whatever, is it like they should go to the next no sodas? What's that? Almost that 10 day program. What do you do? Yeah.

So do you have like one ounce less of soda a day or 12 sodas is 11, okay? You know, I think as a doctor, you know, I want people to be able to have the experience of health, you know, it's like an awakening. I want them to actually quickly be able to experience that. So I usually can miss people to do a dramatic change for a short time, you know, like a week or 10 days.

And then their bodies tell them how they feel. They go, my God, my migraines are gone. My digestion's better. I'm sleeping better. My sinus trip is gone. You know, my skin's clearing up. My acne's gone. I feel better.

I don't crave. My energy's good. And they go, wow, I'm getting the connection between what I eat and how I feel. And so I always love to give people that experience. And I created a program called the 10-day reset, and it's essentially giving them that opportunity. You can download it free at getfarmacy.com. It's just a simple way of eating in a specific time frame

in a specific way that's going to really regulate your biology. Because everybody to food you take, regulates your entire biology. It changes your gene expression, it changes your hormones, your brain chemistry, your immune system system your microbiome Everything literally with everybody and when you understand that you can operate or downgrade your biology literally with everybody your biological software can change You can really see rapid changes and we've seen incredible things from people you know getting off insulin in three days

For example, so it's it's really powerful and people make the choice to try this. And I think, you know, tiny steps in tiny habit changes are good. And Vijay Fog talks about this for some things. But I think if you really want to see the power of this, you know, a short-term dramatic change can give you enormous benefit. I'm completely with you on that. I think that when you experience something immersively in an extreme way, you're more likely to quickly feel the benefits of it and to recognize it's powerful. Now that may mean you may go back to your old habit quicker, but you now know what you're trying to move towards

as opposed to not having a tangible experience. So I'm perfectly with you. I wanted to check that with an expert. That definitely, I can totally relate to that. Tell me about you talk a lot about in the book and what I'm really trying to do for anyone who's listening or watching right now is the book is just fun and you can already tell Dr. Mark Heimann is a phenomenal story to lay. He's got a ton of great studies that know, I'm massively into studies and so I get really fascinated and treat the book as full of the insights, the tools and the actions that

you can take in each of these areas. But I do believe that the first step is education and awareness. So I'm hoping that as you're listening to this, the podcast is going to give you the insight about each of these areas of our life that food impacts. But when you read the book, that's going to give you the full set of, you know, what part of you need to change and where the action is. So what I'm fascinated by in the book is you talk a lot about how there's food racism. I think that this is so obviously And I think that this is so obviously relevant right now. Yeah.

And I'm so important for people to understand because I think either we don't believe it exists or we're so consumed by it that we're not going to explain that concept to us. Well, I mean, I think, you know, we have certain populations in this country that are so disproportionately affected by chronic disease and by poor health. The African American community has banned a community in Native American communities. And when you look at COVID-19, it is far and away hurting these populations more than anybody else. For example, in Louisiana and Chicago, African Americans are 30% of the population, but 70% of the deaths.

Native Americans are experiencing the same thing. If you're African-American America, you have twice the rate of getting diabetes. You have probably four times the rate of getting kidney failure, and three and a half times likely to get amputations because of diabetes. You're targeted more than the rest of the population. The food marketing is often more directed to minorities. And we see this. This is from Yale's studies that have shown that we actually are targeting these populations more.

So there these health disparities are huge. And there are a lot of reasons for it. I mean, there's what we call structural violence. You know, we talk about structural racism. But there's a bigger concept, which is what are the structural violence, the social, economic, political conditions and environmental conditions that are driving disease. We see this with infectious disease or chronic disease, and this is what we have in America. We have this structural violence that has led to incredible amounts of disease in these populations. It's leading to these health disparities.

And we have to understand why. And the reasons are complex, right? There's the racism issues and the segregation we had and the lack of access to education, housing, and opportunity and funding. And there's a lot of issues. But the problem with food is that it drives these populations to be more sick, less able to learn school,

less able to succeed in life, and more likely to get disability and chronic disease as they get older. So, we see this sort of dismantling of these populations in scale in ways that we don't see in other populations. And it's really heartbreaking because it's so fixable. And I've seen this happen, you know, I went down, and even if you're poor in your white, a lot of these things are still evident.

And as part of the movie, fed up, I went down to this little town in easily South Carolina. There was a family of five living in a trailer, food stamps and disability. The father was 42 already undialysis from kidney failure from diabetes. The mother was like overweight, two plus hundred pounds.

The son was practically diabetic at 16. And I said, listen, I'm not gonna lecture you. Let's just cook a meal together. Here's what's in your kitchen. Like here's all the junk and I showed him everything that they were eating that thought was fine. Like cool whip, which said zero trans fat, but it was all trans fat because the FDA left a loophole

that said to be up less than half a gram per serving. You can say no trans fat, but it's all air. So it's just like, it's just all the food industry influence. And they were like horrified. And then I said, let's cook a meal of turkey chili. Let's create a nice salad with olive oil and vinegar, dressing, a salt and pepper.

Let's stir fry some asparagus, let's roast some sweet potatoes, simple, simple meal. It wasn't expensive. And they actually loved it. They never cooked in their kitchen before. And I just give a little bit of education. I said, here's a guide on how to eat well for less good food and tight budget from the environmental working group. And I give them a cookbook. I said, you can do this. And they did it. And when in the year they lost 200 pounds together, the father was able to lose enough to get

a new kidney. The son lost 50, but then went to work at Bojangles, which is a fast food restaurant down in the south, and it's going to be a job for these kids there, and he gained 50 pounds. He was like, it's putting an alcoholic to work in a bar. And then he figured it out, and he lost 138 pounds, and he got into medical school. He asked me to write a letter of recommendation.

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It's internalized, you know, like I went on a rafting trip and I read the story in the book with a Hopi chief who's a Native American chief and he lives in one of the oldest inhabited cities in America, Robbie, which somebody's lived in there for over a thousand years. And he was very, very overweight and he was just struggling to get down to the raft and threw up because it just was so out of shape. And we got on the raft and we kind of got to know each other. I said, you know, you can actually fix this. You can get rid of your diabetes. He said, what do I have to do? He said, well, I said, well, you have to get rid of the starch and shiver in your diet, the sodas and the sweets and all that.

He's like, wow, well, okay, but what are we going to do for our traditional, hope-y ceremonial foods? We have these traditional, hope-y ceremonial foods. And I'm like, what foods? He's like cookies, cakes, pies. And I'm like, thinking to myself, those are not your traditional ceremonial foods. And what's happened was that the government put everybody on renovations. They cut off their food supply in their traditional ways

of hunting or fishing or even growing food. They diverted, and hope you're as they diverted their water. So they had no access to rivers anymore. And then they piled in these commodity foods, flour, sugar, and shortening. And that became their diet. And these government commodities were the staples. So they made Indian fry bread and Indian tacos. Those stuff in Indian about that. And these

foods are so toxic. And now that's why we see 80% of them have diabetes by the time they're 30. And life expectancy in some of these communities is 46. And it's terrible. And it's not just the Native American communities, but he's internalized this food concepts that he thinks are his traditional foods. And this is in true in the African-American communities and Latino communities. And you know, they can Chicago, there's something called the Chicago Loop.

If you live in that's not the Loop, your life expectancy is 16 years less. If you take a subway from Midtown Manhattan to the Bronx, which is a very poor African-American communities, your life expectancy goes down six months for every subway stop. You know, to Harlem and to the Bronx. So these things are really not talked about much. And now I gave a lecture a few years ago, was on the 50th anniversary of Martin King, Jr.'s assassination at the Harlem Riverside Church. And it was really about food oppression.

And it was a little intimidating for me, because it was mostly African American community. I'm a white Jewish guy from New York. And what do I know about it? But it was, you know, Governor Cuomo spoke there. I spoke. And I just was able to share what I was seeing from the science and from the data about how these communities were being affected. And it was an incredible response and people really

read it. It was a very short, came in a talk, you can find it online and just do hymen food oppression, you'll find it. But it's sort of, it's really catapulted me into really kind of raised these issues because we can't resurrect our communities unless we have resurrect our health and we can't resurrect our health unless we resurrect our food and we can't resurrect our food until we fix the food system and fix agriculture and to pull that thread that connects everything together. Yeah, absolutely. And what I'm trying to do in our interview today is is really understand that the the role of the individual and educate the individual, because I feel like if the individual is educated,

then we'll start to see this real change. Tell me about, we've definitely tapped into this. We talked a lot about how it impacts our physical health. But I know in the book, you also talk about how nutrition and food can actually be medicine for our mental health. Yeah. And I think that this link again, I feel like what you're doing

in the book is just topics that at least I can be honest and say, I'm not hearing about in a non-conspiracy theory. If I hear about some of this stuff, it's always new loves conspiracy theories. I don't love conspiracy theories. I like data and a fact and discussion and change and information. And so that's what I think you do so well, and let's talk to me about the connection between mental health and our diets. Yeah, you know, Jay, it was surprised to me. I was practicing functional medicine,

working with patients, made come up with these physical complaints. They'd have an autoimmune disease or they would have some digestive issues or whatever was going on, or they'd have ADD, whatever. And I would treat them and restore their health by dealing with restoring these basic biological systems, your gut, your immune system,

your detoxification system, your hormones, all the things that we do in functional medicine. And a lot of it's using food as medicine. And then they would report back to Dr. Hyman, I don't what happened, but my depression's gone. My panic attacks are gone. My AEDD's better, my memory's better. My brain fog's gone.

I'm like, what's going on here? And I began to really investigate what was happening. And I sort of jokingly call myself the accidental psychiatrist because I was treating people's body and their brain was getting better. And I began to realize that, you know, let's just take depression, for example. You know, depression turns out as an inflammatory disease, which we don't think of. It's like a sore throat, but it's in your brain. Your brain doesn't hurt, but it can be depressed or feel sad or be anxious or have OCD or ADD or whatever. It has different ways of expressing that inflammation,

whether it's Alzheimer's, even as an inflammatory disease, autism is inflammatory. The question is, what's driving the inflammation? And it's our primarily our inflammatory process, nutrient poor diet, it's this industrial diet. It's lacking the nutrients in our bodies and our brains need to function. And I just saw case after case after I started people on a Whole Foods diet, took out the processed food, got rid of inflammatory foods like gluten dairy,

got rid of the sugar, gave them a moment to sort of heal and then put in the nutrients that their bodies needed. Miracles were happened and I began to sort of go, wow, you know, the body is so connected to the brain. And so, yes, there's a mind body effect, but there's also a body mind effect. And that body mind effect is worth fixing because you can do something about it. You know, if you want to deal with your mental health issues, if you want to become enlightened, it's a lot easier to do it if you deal with the problems first. If your gut is healthy, if you are not low thyroid functioning,

if your nutritional levels are vitamin D is good, or your B12 levels good, it's much easier to actually get to what you want to do in terms of your spiritual goals or your personal goals if you are Feeling good, right? It's a lot harder to get enlightened if you're mercury poisoning Does something nasty going on in your body? And so so this really was the the genesis of this book the ultra-mind solution about how we fix our Mines and our bodies by fixing our body first suddenly we don't have to work on our minds as well, because that's your lane.

But it was such an insight for me to go, wow, there's so many people suffering from mental health issues that are driven by physical issues. No, it's 1,000% it's always interconnected. And even I find like, sometimes people need their minds help to change their body and then their bodies help to change their mind. And I think the fixation over either or or where do I start, it's almost like we need

to be absorbed in all of it. Like I found that and I can identify with what you were saying that I was somebody focused a lot on my mind. I was able to find a lot of peace and calm in my mind, but then I found that I neglected my body. And it was almost like real alignment in your life is felt when your body and mind are aligned, right? You can't have a advanced mind in a neglected body. That's not alignment.

That's going to constantly cause friction in your mind. And it's the same with what you're saying, where if people are feeling mind fog or struggling with a mental health illness and they're not taking care of their body, and like you said, they're brain. Yeah. Then again, you can't switch that. So I totally see the interconnectedness and I hope more and more people listening will realize that when you read the book, Food Fix, that you'll be able to start making those

tweaks that you need to in your lifestyle. Yeah, even education, you know, we talk about in the book and how our kids are so impaired. I mean, you know, one in 10 kids has ADD. Kids have learning difficulties, dyslexia, challenges with, you know, academic performance. And the CDC put out a report that I talk about in the book on the influence of nutrition on academic performance.

And it's massive. You know, how do kids learn when they're eating junk food and going to school in the morning with flaming hot chips and a Coke? They can't function and they crash. And so providing good nutrition can have radical effects on kids' academic performance and close what we call an achievement gap.

And I think it also affects behavior. I think you know, we think about mood, but one of the things I was shocked to discover is that is it violence and violent behavior and aggression are also connected to our diet. And in prison studies that I talked about in the book, prisoners who are fed a who are violent who are fed a Whole Foods healthy diet in prison, can you reduce violent crime by 56% and if you add a multivitamid it goes down by 80%. If you're doing kids in juvenile attention centers, these kids 91% reduction in bad behavior and violence, 100% reduction in suicides.

I mean, it's just staggering. And if there was a pill that could do that, everybody be taking it. There'd be a giant pharmaceutical company marketing and we don't hear about these issues because they're not something that's gonna create billions of dollars on profit. But unfortunately, it's where the real effect can be.

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Everyone, I want to recommend that you not only go listen to the doctor's pharmacy podcast, but you also check out the book, Food Fix that I have next to me right now. Again, huge recommended recommendation for the book, A, to get educated, become aware of what's really happening, what's working in the background, that's gonna give you enough confidence and enough of a reason and a why to go and actually make the changes in your life. It's really easy to live an ignorance and in the pain

and just allow for it to continue and feel like it's only because something outsides impacting you, but it actually takes responsibility for our health and our futures is huge and if not for yourself than at least your children and the future generations and Dr. Mark Heim and I believe you're doing such a great service. Honestly, you really are in raising all of these issues in all areas.

In the depth of the research and the lengths you've gone through to share this with us. I'm super, super grateful. So we end every interview with something called the Final Five, which are your fast five round, which is answers in one word to one sentence maximum. Okay, all right. And Dr. Ivan, these are your final five.

So question number one, what's the best change you've made in your diet? The best change I made was to dramatically cut out starch and sugar. I don't eliminate it, but I really don't eat any flour products. And if I eat sugar, it's usually part of some whole food, right? It can maybe I'll have a whole huge chocolate, which I love, which is a very low glycemic. And I think that and getting rid of industrial food is,

has been the best things I've done. I love that. Of course, you know, adding in all the good stuff. Of course. Super practical. Okay. Great. Second question. What do you know to be absolutely true about health that a lot of people would disagree with you. Wow, that's a good question. No one's ever asked me that, Jay. I think that the biggest thing that people don't understand is that, you know, the way we define disease is completely wrong. So our normal conception of disease is completely flawed because it's not based on causes, it's based on symptoms.

So I think people just don't understand that. And so if you focus on causes, not symptoms, and treat that, the root cause people get better. I love that. Great answer. All right. Third question. What gives you the biggest hope for the food industry?

I see hope because I see these food companies waking up. I see companies like General Mills and Denon and other companies and Nestle really understanding that this can't go on. That their survival depends on transforming our food system. So I see the culture shifting and people demand a more consciousness about their food. So I'm excited about that. Awesome.

Question number four, what's the biggest lesson you've learned in the last 12 months? Wow. Well, I've been traveling for 25 years, and on the road, and COVID has locked me down. And I've realized that having a rhythm, instability, and quiet, and time to think think is actually a good thing. And I think I've really learned that it's time my life to shift how I'm doing things so I can

actually cultivate more of that. It's brilliant. And your fifth and final question is, if you could create a law that everyone in the world would have to follow, what would it be? what would it be? Ooh, a law that everyone would have to follow. Well, I think it would be a law that would be that all governments would implement, that it would influence every single policy around food, which would be quality is king. So no food policy can be made unless it's putting

the quality of nutrition and nutritional density first and every single thing we do whether it's dietary guidelines or what food we grow or what food we market or whatever it is, it's going to transform everything if we can do that. I love that. I'm actually going to ask you one more question that's just come to my mind. Do you think that it's possible to create healthy food that's affordable? Absolutely.

I mean, the studies are really clear that it may cost $0.50 more day to eat healthier. And like I said, there are guys like Good Food on a tight budget that are actually incredibly effective in helping people eat well. For less, good for them, good for the planet, and good for their wallet. And I think we get caught up in, you know,

so the lead is about eating healthy, but it really, this family in South Carolina, they lived on food stamps and disability for a family of five, and they were able to do it in one of the worst food deserts in America. So it's really more about education and awareness than it is about money. That's great to hear.

Awesome, Dr. Mark Heimann, thank you so much for being a guest on on purpose. What I'd love for everyone to do is tag me and Dr. Mark Heimann, thank you so much for being a guest on on purpose. What I'd love for everyone to do is tag me and Dr. Mark Heimann on Instagram with your favorite insights, your favorite thought, or idea, or concept, or fact that Mark Heimann stated today, that stayed with you, and how you're going to experiment with your diet. I'd love for you all to think about what is that deep dive experiment you can do for the next seven days. What could you remove from your diet or add to your diet based on the insights in the book, based on the guidance in the book that you think is going to make a massive change.

Try an experiment for just seven days for one week and see how your life changes. And as I said, go out and grab a copy of the book. We'll put the links in the podcast description. So you can go straight to Amazon and grab your copy. Dr. Mark Heimann, is there anything that I haven't asked you that you'd love to share? Nothing other than I think, you know, when this moment where everybody can focus in on their own

health and by doing that, they will literally help us get through this COVID epidemic and help solve so many of our global problems. Because what we do to ourselves, we do to our communities and our families and what we do to ourselves, we do to plan it. And so understanding that is a circle and that we can actually impact that by making those small changes in ourselves. I think it's very a very powerful message for people to understand. Thank you so much. This was great. Thank you everyone for listening and I'll see you again next week. This podcast was produced by Dust Light Productions. Our executive producer from Dust Light is Misha Yusuf. Our senior producer is Juliana Bradley. Our associate producer is Jacqueline Castillo.

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