On Purpose with Jay Shetty - Gisele Bundchen: ON Being Kinder To Yourself
Episode Date: March 25, 2019You can order my new book 8 RULES OF LOVE at 8rulesoflove.com or at a retail store near you. You can also get the chance to see me live on my first ever world tour. This is a 90 minute interactive sho...w where I will take you on a journey of finding, keeping and even letting go of love. Head to jayshettytour.com and find out if I'll be in a city near you. Thank you so much for all your support - I hope to see you soon.Gisele’s wisdom goes deep - from reading the Bhagavad Gita between breaks on the runway to falling in love with discipline in her childhood, you’ll be able to tell immediately there’s much more to her than just being one of the world’s most famous supermodels.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hi, I'm Brendan Francis Neum, I'm a journalist, a wanderer, and a bit of a bond-vivant, but
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Modeling is not something that I was,
it's something I did.
It was a job I did.
And then besides that, my desire for knowing myself,
it was always there, it was just that I wasn't sharing with people.
So when I found out this next guest book was out, my team reached out to her team.
And I had no expectation or idea of how it was going to go.
And then I found out that she'd been watching my videos too. And it made me so, so happy.
Today's guest is none other than
Jazeal Bunchan and the most amazing thing is that we go beyond the modeling. We go beyond her career,
her profession, which she's so globally famous for and talk about the things most meaningful to her
heart. Mindfulness and meditation, yoga, her spiritual journey, which has been underlying all of her success and her whole life.
She truly opens up about the lessons and reflections that she's experienced, and I think this is going to be a hugely transformative episode for anyone who listens to it. No matter what you do, your career, your passion, your purpose, whatever it may be, mindfulness,
meditation, gratitude can be beautiful allies on your journey.
Please welcome to the show, Jazeal Bunchan.
I am so excited to be talking to you today.
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Today's guest is extremely special.
She's one of the most famous supermodels of all time,
and she was named as the 18-ninth
the most powerful woman in the world by Forbes.
But in my viewpoint, she has so much depth,
so much genuine energy to share with the world,
and so much incredible wisdom. And I'm so excited today to talk to about her new book Lessons,
My Path to Meaning for Life. Today's guest is none other than Giselle Bunton. Giselle, I am genuinely
so grateful and touched that I get to have this opportunity to talk to you. Thank you so much. Thank
you for having me.
Absolutely. And when I was reading through the book and we were speaking about it
a little earlier as well, it's brilliant. It's such a beautifully told story of mixing
in your life and the lessons from your life. And as someone who's admired you for a long time,
and has seen your work and follows your Instagram, I've seen you speak about spirituality,
speak about meditation, speak about intention.
But I love how in this book you talk about and you say it like this,
the life I've lived in public has very little connection
to who I really am or what matters most to me.
Yeah.
Why was now the right time to share the full story?
You know, I started modeling when I was 14 years old and it was an opportunity just kind of a
peer in my life and I was like, hey, let me take this opportunity. I think for many years because
of the job I did, it was very much an image where people could project a lot of different things to
it because you see an image and there was never something I was really saying. It was just an image
where people could say, she's maybe glamourous or she's maybe saying. It was just an image where people could say,
she's maybe glamorous or she's maybe that.
It was whatever they decided, right?
Because they look at it and then they kind of made
in their own mind whatever they thought is L.I.B.
But in the end of the day, I've always been a person.
I've always been very interested in spirituality.
I started studying numerology and astrology
when I was about 14.
I read the bag of a Gita, Lao Tzu Ditao,
and those were the kind of when I was about 14. I read the bag of a guitar, Lao Tzu Ditao,
and those were the kind of books I was interested in,
and because I didn't finish high school
because I was traveling around the world,
then I like to say that the world was my school.
I got to read all the books that I like to read.
I was wondering, who am I?
Why am I here?
What's the purpose of all this?
I was like, okay, we can't just be the only thing
floating in space. One thing led to the the other and then this desire to keep learning and just diving
deeper has been something that has always been a huge part of my life. There was the Gisele
de Mata when there was just me. It was really like a job. A doctor goes to work and he shows up and
he does surgery, whatever he goes home, he's the dad or he's himself. Modeling is not something that I was,
it's something I did.
It was a job I did.
And then besides that, my desire to for knowing myself,
so it's the biggest, it was always there.
It was just that I wasn't sharing with people.
Like I just thought, you know, he was time.
I know I'm talking so much.
Do it. It's great.
But that's what fuck us. I think I can just'm talking so much through it. It's great. But that's what fuck us.
I think I can just sit here and talk about it.
Why was it time now? Like, why did you choose now?
Why now? You know, why now?
So because I felt that I meditate every day.
And it was something that was coming my awareness all the time
because for the past three years or so, I would have different people, friends,
or people that didn't even know me very well.
Sharing stories about people that they knew in their life
were going through very difficult times.
And I kind of felt like, I'm very sensitive.
I just wanted to help.
When I started writing letters to people I've never met,
I just would share something like a challenging moment
in my life and how I overcame that.
My intention was, I want them to know that they're not alone and when you're in the middle
of the storm and everything is dark, like you don't see the light in the end of the tunnel
and sometimes you can identify with whatever depression or anxiety or whatever.
And you think that that's who you are.
And then you create more of that, but you don't even realize it because you're just, that's
what you're putting your energy.
I actually have a chapter in my book talking about where your energy goes, it's what grows.
Yeah, it grows, yeah.
And it's kind of like that.
I wanted to help.
I started writing letters and the feedback
was very positive that those were things
that were helping.
In my meditations every day,
it was coming to my awareness,
like the stories that I was hearing
just kept coming back over and over,
replaying in my head and I was like,
I just wanna be peaceful here.
It's like, it doesn't get out of my head. I was like, I just want to be peaceful here. It doesn't get out of my head.
I was like, what is this?
I think it was really a sign of pushing me to say,
okay, so finally I was like, okay,
I think I'm just going to do an open letter
and just be vulnerable and be truthful
and just talk about what I value in my life,
or the spiritual principle.
What are the lessons that really have been the most helpful
and how I overcame some of these challenges and hopes
that you might be helpful to others,
that might be facing similar experiences.
And that was the intention and here's the look.
Yeah.
It's definitely when I was reading it,
it's definitely vulnerable, it's definitely truthful.
It has all of those ingredients.
And I feel that you articulate the lessons so simply.
And elegantly, which means that when someone's reading it,
it's not too complicated. It's not so far away that they're thinking, how can I apply
this in my life? Like, how is this practically? It just comes across very effortlessly. So,
it was, it was beautiful to see that captured. And one of the big questions I have for you
is, we've seen your external achievements in business, philanthropy, environmental protection, in fashion, of course, in modeling.
What is being the biggest achievement for you personally that we haven't seen?
That is almost there behind the scenes.
I think my family would be the biggest achievement.
I think I said that in the book, the quality of your life depends on the quality of your relationships.
And I think the biggest achievements have been my relationships.
And I think my family is the biggest because they I think the biggest achievements have been my relationships.
And I think my family is the biggest
because they've been the biggest teachers in so many ways
because they're the closest to me and my dear friends
who are my extended family.
And I think I've learned the most from all of them.
And I also think that they make my life incredible
because they give me support and love
and the desire to be the best for,
you know, especially my children, I want to be the best possible version of myself because
I know that whoever, however I am being, they take into their lead, they kind of show
me, all right, I think I need to work on my patients, you know, so they bring a mirror
you can really see. And so I feel like that would be the biggest,
I mean, all of it, like relationships in general,
but really, I think my children being the number one,
and then all my family and my extended family
that makes life so special.
Yeah, I love how you bring that about in your book
with that conversation you had with your father.
Oh, yes.
I thought that was just such a,
you must have had so many incredible conversations with your father, it seems. He was so amazing because I left home so young and anytime I would come
back home, I live in a small village in the South of Brazil, so he would pick me up at the airport,
it was a seven hour drive, and we would just sit for seven hours and talk. He's so amazing. We had
the best conversations, he's a sociologist now and he helps me in a lot of
environmental work and actually Agua Limpa is a project that I started with him 10 years ago.
We helped clean the river in my town and now 100% of the funds of this book are going to
the extension of that which is to regenerate the areas to protect the water resources in the
largest river in the South of Brazil,
which feed the water for 2.5 million people.
My father works with me on that.
And he's always been that person who inspired me to
dream big, be a service.
So I'm very grateful that I have him as my dad.
That's beautiful to know.
I did not know that.
Yes, amazing.
So if you're listening or watching, you know that.
You'd be helping us clean the water in Brazil.
I was at the Jacque-E River. watching, you know that. You'd be helping us clean the water in Brazil. I was like, Jack, who are you referring?
Yeah, that's the thing.
That's amazing.
A good way to learn about a place
is to talk to the people that live there.
There's just this sexy vibe in Montreal,
this pulse, this energy.
What was seen as a very snotty city,
people call it as bozangilist.
New Orleans is a town that never forgets its pay.
A great way to get to know a place
is to get invited to a dinner party.
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We learn about the places we're visiting, yes, but we also learn about ourselves.
I don't spend as much time thinking about how I'm going to die alone when I'm traveling.
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I love how you're able to do all these things so wonderfully,
but then, you know, in the chapter you talk about,
it all starts with discipline.
Oh yeah.
And I remember that very clearly,
because when I lived this among discipline
was like the bedrock and the foundation of our lives.
And discipline.
So you see, right?
Yeah, I totally agree with you.
It's the foundation.
It's where everything starts.
And like you said, you say, well, like we struggle with it.
And it's one of the hardest things to fall in love with.
Yes.
Teachers, how you've helped yourself and others fall in love with it. And it's one of the hardest things to fall in love with. Yes. Teachers how you've helped yourself
and others fall in love with discipline.
You know, I think for me,
I was pretty disciplined.
I was born disciplined in a way.
Lucky you.
I know I'm very grateful for that.
We all have our beautiful gifts that are unique to each of us.
We are all part of the same spark of light.
And to make that whole full, big, bright light,
we all have to be separated.
So each carry a magical part of that light, but it's different.
And I think this is a natural thing for me.
And maybe because I was a middle child, a twin,
and between five sisters, I've always felt like there was a lot of discipline in my house
is the way I grew up.
Really the house of seven women.
So I think maybe it came from being that way.
And I was always doing chores.
We each had our responsibilities.
And I think that's discipline.
It's like you have your, you have you responsible for this.
So you cannot go play and see you finished.
I do, I do think that for some people is like,
oh my god, discipline is gonna kill my freedom.
I actually feel like it gives you the space
because once you, you can have that discipline, it makes everything
easier because you're just committed. It's like a commitment to just following through and
keeping at it no matter what happens. Well, I think it's important to give children, like,
you know, you get something, but you have to work for it. Absolutely. I think it's, it's, it's,
it's important. A sense of progress, a sense of leadership. A sense of progress, a sense of responsibility,
and a sense of when you don't do your responsibility,
there's consequences in taking responsibility
for not doing your part.
I think all of that's important.
Yeah, and one of your biggest disciplines,
as you mentioned earlier, as you meditate every day.
I do.
How have you created that, what is your practice,
and how have you created that practice
to facilitate you to be able to live such a full of travel,
busy, active schedule? I think it changed throughout the only constant
in life is change. Meditation came into my life at a time when I was having
various severe anxiety attacks. It was in my early 20s and I started practicing first
praniam breathing techniques, alternate nostril breathing breathing to balance the left and the right side of the brain.
And I used to do that just to kind of center myself, you know,
which is very powerful breath work that actually really works.
And then I went on to practice asanas and then it became like something I did.
And then when I was really trying to heal, I would go days in silence and
just be meditating all the time. And that was what helped me get out of that situation
in my life. And I had another world that was not just this external world, but I discovered
then that there was a world within myself that I could always tap into it and all I needed to do is to sit quiet and breathe
and that gave me such a sense of, in a way, arriving home. It's almost like it just kind of
brings me back to my center and it allows me to just see things more clearly, I would say.
And so today is very different. I usually do it in the morning at 5.30 when I wake up, 10 minutes, 5 minutes, 15 minutes,
however long I can take before my kids wake up.
So it has varied throughout the years.
And I noticed that when I'm the most hactic and when I'm not breathing, I'm like, okay,
I need 5 minutes.
There is not a system.
I know the place is there for me.
And I can take a moment to just go in word at any moment in the day.
And I feel like I come back to my center
and that's, is there for me all the time?
Usually in the morning, but it could be three times a day,
five times a day, it could be two times a day.
It just depends on how much I feel like I need it.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I love how you said that you can sometimes
do it in the back of a car before reaching,
like it's not in the place.
In the plane, no way.
I think, you know, in the beginning,
I was really trying to heal myself
from something that was very challenging.
And I felt like I needed the intensity
of really being in silence and meditating
on the day and journaling and all that
because that's what I felt.
I needed to heal.
But now it's been many years that I meditate
and I can get you that space pretty quickly.
As you know, in the beginning, I will say,
it's funny because you're like, my mind is not gonna stop and it's just gonna shut up. You know, in the beginning, I will say, it's funny because you're like,
my mind's not gonna stop and it's just gonna shut up.
People are telling me I can't think anything,
but I can't stop thinking.
And the more you want your mind to stop, it doesn't stop.
So it's about surrender.
And I think once you realize,
reach that point where you literally go in
and right away feel like I reach that place
where it's like,
like a, and sometimes I'm looking for an answer
for something that I need clarity on and then I can go into meditation trying to get clarity
and then I get the answer, sometimes in form of just a knowing that I come out from it
and I'm like, okay, I know now what to do.
So I think it's different each time I have to say.
Yeah, I love how you use it so intentionally.
Yeah, I do because it's really a fantastic tool that all of I have to say. Yeah, I love how you use it so intentionally. Yeah, I do, because it's really a fantastic tool
that all of us have access to,
if we just choose to have the dedication
to sit with ourselves and really...
Surrender, yeah.
...and surrender, to do that, you know?
And the more we do, the better we become,
like anything else in life.
Absolutely, if you're listening and you're struggling,
fight through it, surrender. It's
okay.
Exactly.
You have to do the same thing.
We all have to do the same thing.
We all have to do the same thing and it's okay.
And it's just a part of the process, right?
It's like when you're a baby, you're going to be crawling, then you're going to be walking
and falling a few times and then you're going to run.
There's a process to things and it's just like everything in life.
And we want to try to speed up that process.
That's when the frustration comes. But I think when we can just allow it to happen, then
suddenly it happens and you're like, okay, I got it. And then the gift is amazing. I mean,
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Speak about self-awareness, so much in the book. And obviously,
with a chapter called Know That I. You continuously talk about, consciously understanding yourself, a study of self.
How are you hoping that when people read the book, how are you hoping them to become
more self aware?
What's your kind of hope for people?
You know, I at least become curious to jump out of the well.
That's an ancient story.
I love that.
The story of the frog in the well.
He's sitting in the well and he's like, I know everything there is to know about the
sky.
And I know every planet there is.
He's sitting there, but from his perspective, it's all he've known.
He's known.
So it is true based on what he knows, based on what he's able to see.
And when he jumps out of the way, he takes a leap of faith and he realizes, wow, I was
literally seeing a fraction of what is out here. And I think that so frequently happens to us. Sometimes
we have our life, our conditioning, you know, that happens through our society, through
our life. Just the way we live our lives. And I think that we get conditioned by that
and we stay in that box. If we don't get out of that, then we believe that the truth
is only that, right? And we are convinced that's what is,
because that's the only thing we know.
And that is true in a way, because that's,
it is all that is being seen in that moment.
It's like the horse in Central Park with the visor,
moment to take the visor.
It's like, whoa, there's all this.
That's my biggest hope, is that people can look and say,
you know what, there's so much more to see and to discover.
And I think the most important discovery is really about
ourselves because the more we can know about who we are,
the more we can understand others and the world around us,
the more magical life is.
You know, you can see it from a broader perspective.
And then there is more joy and excitement, I think.
I feel like more I learn the less I know because I'm like,
whoa, there's so much more.
This is just infinite.
And I feel like we have a limited amount of time here.
And I feel like I want to leave my life to the fullest
and leave intensely every experience, every encounter.
This is why being present is the most important thing
because being here with you and having this exchange
and I'm learning, you're learning,
and with every encounter,
every moment, with every relationship, we have the opportunity to be the teacher and be
the student, and to keep expanding. That's what life is about, you know what I mean?
So I will say travel, get out of that box, and just be free to be who you are, and just
ask questions, sit with yourself. There's a whole universe inside of you. There's just
so many things that we can't even see with our eyes, but we can feel when we start going down that path. And I hope for everyone to
know that there's so much more than what they think they are. They're all very
unique and special. I hope that everyone can find whatever it is that
makes their hearts sing and makes them realize how magical and beautiful they are.
Yeah, I think you're really pretty. That was beautiful. I know I talk a lot.
No, no, no, but I mean, that's the point of podcasts, right?
Yeah. It's the what we spoke about earlier and that was the biggest reason I started this is,
I totally agree. You have such a full story and the world's only understood one percent of it
from what we get to see outside.
And so for you to be able to share your experiences and your spot on, I really feel that you're
probing people to ask important questions. You're asking people to reflect, but it's such a
coached way, in such a guided way that it's not intimidating. It's not scary. It's actually like,
when you express it, it's like full of magic. It's full of curiosity
Yeah, which is which is exciting to explore rather than sometimes self-study can feel scary or you can feel fear
I really feel like I'm a kid at heart. I think we all have I think we all have to remember that you look at life
With that curiosity of a child, you know instead of like judging ourselves
I think it's based on the condition that we come from so we think you know this is wrong
This is right. I can't say this, I can't say that.
I only have to act this way, I don't want to be accepted.
And it's kind of the prison in a way.
We have to liberate ourselves.
I think whenever we can embrace who we are,
we'd all of it, you know what I mean?
With our shadow, with our light,
because we all have both.
And when we can embrace that and have acceptance for,
and forgive ourselves for the times
that we could have done something different. I have forgiveness because when we love ourselves, when and forgive ourselves for the times that we we could have done something different.
I have forgiveness because when we love ourselves, when we forgive ourselves, then only
then we can forgive and love others really because you can give to others what you don't
have and you can't have it until you discover within you.
If a kid makes a mistake, you're not going to be like, oh my god, you make this mistake.
I mean, beat the kid.
You're going to be like, you know, we are learning.
So I think maybe we can start looking at ourselves a little bit more like if you were children
and be more forgiven and say, you know what,
you make this mistake, it's okay next time, you learn.
Everything is positive as long as we learn from it.
So keep learning, that's what we're here.
Otherwise, we wouldn't be here.
We are all learning.
And I think we have to be kinder to ourselves
and just remember that we are always learning
and just keep at it are always learning and just
Keep keep at it and to be get better at it. Amazing. I've loved this conversation
Juzel in the last five minutes. I do something called the final five
Okay, five questions. These are rapid five questions. Okay, so
Ansis usually go from one to five words
Here we go. So the first question is what is your favorite place to meditate if you can? Where would you choose? In nature. Beautiful. Yes. There's a chapter on nature in the book. Nature is my is my
Cathedral. Absolutely. Oh, I love that. So second question. Who is your favorite person to do yoga with? My son
Awesome. Third question. What have you learned about yourself this year? What has been the biggest lesson you've learned?
You're such a lifelong learner.
The biggest lesson I've learned this year was,
it's okay for me to truly express who I am.
Beautiful, love that. These are great rappers.
Yeah. Okay, fourth question. The thing that you do just before you go to bed.
I just say thank you for my day and I'm grateful for just every experience and it's just like a moment of gratitude.
So it's a little prayer because the last thing I do before I go to bed.
Beautiful. And my fifth and final question is, what is your advice to me and all of the other people in the world who really,
what you said, you're going through a rebirth this year.
Yeah. You're using it as a way to share your gifts.
What's your advice to everyone who wants to have an impact in the world through sharing their gifts?
To just discover what makes your heart sing.
Just sit with yourself. I don't be afraid of going there
and don't worry about what anybody else might think.
Just do what you love because if you do what you love, life is going to be great.
And you know, it's about the journey and you got to enjoy the journey
by doing what you love is it just makes it so much more enjoyable.
I love that great advice great advice for anyone who's watching and listening. I highly recommend
that you're going to get lessons my path to a meaningful life by just a bunch and if you've
enjoyed any of this conversation it literally is just the tip of the iceberg of the whole book.
I loved reading it. I loved learning more about you.
I loved the fact that you're using your platform to share such a powerful message, such a meaningful message.
Out of all the things you could be doing, I'm so grateful that you're doing this.
Thank you so much.
I'm really happy that you're doing what you're doing.
I'm happy I got to be a part of this and really excited for you all to read the book.
Make sure you get it.
I really highly recommend it to every single person listening and watching. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.
And thank you guys. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you. There we go. I know I do type a lot, but you know,
I love it. I love it. You're the best. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you so much for listening through to the end of that episode.
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