On Purpose with Jay Shetty - How Successful People Train Their Brain For Optimal Performance
Episode Date: December 4, 2020Dr. Amen studies the brain, Tana Amen studies the body and soul. Together, the Amen’s promote brain health as the key to addressing mental challenges like depression. In this episode of On Purpose, ...Dr. Daniel Amen and Tana Amen talk with Jay Shetty about the importance of brain health in addressing mental challenges. Dr. Amen is an accomplished psychologist and author of over 40 books, including his most recent The End of Mental Illness. Tana is also a best-selling author of the Omni Diet, nurse, and health and wellness specialist. In this episode, the Amen’s provide easy to start steps in caring for your brain and promoting a happier, healthier you. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Today what you're going to hear is a conversation between me and power couple Dr. Daniel Aiman and Tana.
Dr. Aiman, the director of Aiman Clinics, has worked in the world of psychiatry for 40 years.
His wife, Tana Aiman, is a world-renowned wellness expert and New York times best-selling author of the Omni diet.
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Dr. Aiman, Tana, and I had this conversation
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during my mental health day series.
And I'm really excited to share this conversation
with you today on On Purpose.
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into both of your geniuses and your mind today
and all your great insight and advice.
So this is day three of our online mental health festival.
And I want to hear from both of you
about your incredible insights.
And I want to start with you, Dr. Raymond,
based on something we talked about in my podcast, and I remember you redefining our challenges not being mental health, but
brain health.
And when you shared this with me, this was truly unique, something I'd never heard before,
and I'd love for you to share that with everybody who's listening and watching today.
Well, thank you so much.
I've been your block band of mental illness, where I argue, you know. I've been your block, the end of mental illness,
where I argue, you know, I've been a psychiatrist
for almost 40 years,
and I've always hated the term mental illness
because it shames people.
When you call someone mental, that's not a good thing.
It's stigmatizing, and then about 30 years ago, I started looking at the
brain. And I realized most psychiatric problems are not mental health issues at all. Rather,
they are brain health issues. And this one idea just changes everything. Get your brain right and your mind will follow. And very
few psychiatrists, psychologists, ever talk about brain health, you need to eat right.
You need to exercise. You need to take your supplements because if the hardware of your your soul, your brain is not right.
It won't run the software program.
That's incredible.
It's really, every time I hear you say that,
I'm like, aah, gosh, I need to start focusing
on my brain more.
So it's a great reminder for all of us.
And I would encourage everyone to go and get a copy
of the End of Mental Owners to get that beginning journey
of where to start and any of Dr. Amin's work.
But Tanna, you obviously just recently are about to release this incredible book called The Relentless Courage of a Scared Child.
And I haven't had an opportunity to sit with the book yet and I'm excited.
I know we're going to figure out how to get you on the podcast and have a conversation in deeper.
I'd love to do that.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I love the title and I love the cover. I have it here and every time I look at the cover,
it's captivating. It's captivating because it just brings me into that feeling of being
a scared child and I think all of us are carrying around a scared child inside of us. So tell
me what that title means to you and how that
connects with mental health.
So I grew up in a very chaotic environment as did so many of us, very chaotic, very lots
of trauma, lots of addiction, lots of mental illness or what we call mental challenges.
And as a result out of my own survival, I learned to build walls, isolate, pull away from
people, disconnect.
And if you don't want to reconnect with people and you don't want to have, or if you want
to stay disconnected, here's just a little tip, that's why I don't marry a psychiatrist.
I want to fix everybody.
So Daniels always nudged me to reconnect and be curious instead of furious.
It's like, why did they behave that way?
Maybe it's not all just about willpower.
Did they have a head injury?
We look at mental health through four circles.
Biological, how is your body functioning, psychological,
your mind, spiritual, what is your meaning and purpose?
And social, who are you connected to?
Because people are contagious.
And when I started thinking about my family
through that lens, it was uncomfortable.
Because I really wanted to stay disconnected and distant from all that chaos. But then all
of a sudden I felt this level of responsibility. And I love the word responsibility because
it means the ability to respond. It doesn't mean taking blame. It means the ability to respond.
So writing my story was one of the most powerful things I could do. It really was uncomfortable, but gave me the opportunity to see some of the chaos
and some of the trauma through an adult lens and just heal and see that many of these people
were doing the best they could with what they had.
Because it was pretty crazy.
And it's beautiful.
It's not only beautifully written.
It's fun. It's funny. It's not only beautifully written, it's fun, it's funny, it's disturbing. You
know, to just talk about one of my favorite stories in the book is how she disconnected
from her dad who was a pastor who embezzled from the church and cheated on, I mean, it
was just not good. And she had pushed him away.
But when we first dated, he had just been diagnosed
with Alzheimer's disease.
And I'm like, well, I have to see him.
And I'm like, no, this is like Jerry Springer material.
We're not bringing him into my life.
And I found through imaging that he didn't have Alzheimer's disease.
He had something called pseudo dementia, which
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being a recluse to someone who was giving all day seminars at the church. And even though he died
five years later, it had nothing to do with his mind. He died with a very clear mind in Tana's arms.
With me praying for him.
And I realize in that moment,
one of the big lessons in my book,
one of the big overarching themes is
sometimes you're called to do something that you don't wanna do
and you don't realize that the help might be for someone else
but the healing is for you.
So don't rob yourself of those opportunities to heal by helping someone else, even when
it's uncomfortable.
That's a really interesting perspective.
And I love that redefinition of the word responsibility.
I've never, ever heard that.
I've never thought of it like that.
The ability to respond, not taking blame, not feeling guilty, not, nothing. Now I have to sort this out, but just actually saying, well, let me find the ability to respond, not taking blame, not feeling guilty, not, nothing now I have to sort this out, but just actually saying,
well, let me find the ability to respond.
I think that's incredible.
Now, Dr. Raymond, I know I was speaking to your team
and they shared these incredible statistics with me
from your work.
You know, this is what they shared.
Every 14 minutes, someone commits suicide in the United States,
every eight minutes, someone dies of a drug overdose.
And according to a large epidemiological study, 51% of the US population will struggle with
a mental health issue at some point in their lives. Where do we start? Because I think looking
at those stats, we all know someone or know of someone who's going through this right now,
even if it's not ourselves, where do we start?
What's step one, and I'd love to hear from both of you
and both of your unique approaches
as to how you think people need to start?
Well, those statistics are actually
from before the pandemic.
So before March, eight percent of the population
struggled with significant depression,
which has been creeping up over the last decades.
In September was 27%. Just with depression. So the mental health challenges have skyrocketed.
I have never seen suicide at this level, the level of hopelessness. And when the pandemic started for me, it was actually March 10th,
the end of mental illness had just come out. I had a trip, I was going to be in a special show
in New York, and that got canceled. And that night, I wrote down mental hygiene is just as important
as washing your hands. So where we all start, the end of mental illness will begin
with a revolution in brain health. That we see this organ come in a new
docu-series with Justin Bieber called Seasons and he came out of his doctor for a long time.
I love Justin, but like many celebrities, sometimes he'd do it, I'd
say, and often he wouldn't. But he came into my office and he said, my brain is an organ,
just like my heart is an organ. If you told me I had heart problems, I'd do everything
you said. And that's how we need to start the revolution is love, honor, take care of the brain.
And it's super simple.
It's three strategies.
Brain envy.
You've got to care about it.
Avoid things that hurt your brain.
Know the less and do things that help.
And the little tiny habit, I talk about many tiny habits in the end of mental illness.
But the one that's the most important is you go through your day, ask yourself, whatever you're doing. Is this decision good for my brain
or bad for it? And if you can start answering that with information and love, love of yourself,
love of your family, love of your mission, your name starts feeling better from a mental health perspective because ultimately your brain creates your mental health.
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Can I love to hear your perspective, whether people start when you hear those statistics
I saw your reaction on your face immediately, And now that we know that those stats were from the fore the pandemic
and Dr. Raymond just told us that it's actually 27%. I mean, where do people start?
So I, I mean, I agree with my husband a hundred percent, but for me, it's more personal.
It's one of the things I write about in my book. It's, it's, my heart goes out to people
who are struggling with this right now because there was a point in my life where I wanted to be
dead.
I fortunately didn't have it within me to take my own life, but I kept praying that a
truck would hit me or something would happen so it wasn't my fault because I was wasting
oxygen on the planet.
When I met my husband and I started learning about our work and looking at, looking at mental
health through that lens of the four circles, because I had cancer, I had all these things that happened
in my life besides the trauma growing up that just devastated me and it all crashed in at one time.
When I really understood those four circles, the biology, the psychology, the social circle,
the spiritual circle, and I realized how bankrupt I'd become in all of them. It's like four tires on a car.
If one goes flat, the car will drive for a while, not well, but it'll drive.
If two go flat, you're probably going to crash, and I had crashed.
I had four tires that went flat.
The car kind of flipped.
When I looked at it through those circles, when I met my husband, I started to really
look at it.
I'm a neurosurgical ICU nurse, so for me, it was all biology.
It was just like, get this person, you know, stop bleeding.
But when I really started to understand this,
I was like, it was so freeing for me.
It released the shame.
And if I could tell people watching one thing
if you're struggling with this right now,
I wanted to be dead.
And I'm not, it's the worst time in my life.
It was a pain like nothing I've ever experienced.
I wanted to rip my skin off only I couldn't, couldn't get away from the pain.
It's not like a toothache where you can take a pill.
It's something you can't escape.
But what I couldn't know then that I know now is that that pain, all of that pain, all
of that shame, all of everything I felt back then, there's no way I could is that that pain, all of that pain, all of that shame, all of everything I've felt back then,
there's no way I could know that that would be the thing going forward that would become my
purpose in life. So please just hang on, get help, reach out. And one of the things you talk about in
the book is about pain into purpose, which is just so important.
And another thing I think that was really critical is learning how to not believe every stupid
thing.
Discipline.
You're a monk.
You know this.
Discipline.
Disciplining your mind is so important.
So whenever you're sad or whenever you're mad or whenever you're nervous or out of control,
write down what you're thinking. And then just ask yourself, is it true? I love it. I don't have
to believe every stupid thing you think. How many of your listeners were good at talking back to their parents when they were teenagers. I was
excellent and my mom will totally verify that I was a pain when I was a
teenager, but no one ever taught me to talk back to myself that thoughts are not
real, right? It's sort of like the weather. It comes, it goes. It's not the thoughts you have that cause suffering.
It's the thoughts you attach to.
It's the ones you let stick around.
And so, yes, gets your brain right, but then you have to program properly.
And where you bring your attention always determines how you feel.
And so learning how to focus your mind
on what's helpful rather than what's hurtful.
And during the pandemic,
10 accident did really well.
I mean, she's an ICU nurse,
but when the societal disruption came,
she sort of lost her mind a little bit.
Because it was like my child. And it was the most important thing she did was turn off the news
Because when she watched the news she'd start screaming at the TV and
It wasn't helpful for her and you know Jay the news is actually not the news anymore
The news is about driving clicks and And what does the brain pay attention
to first fear? Negativity. Negativity. And that's what they're doing. They're driving
that, which is increasing the incidence of mental illness. And in the end of mental illness,
I have a writing device where I just imagined if I was an evil ruler and I wanted to create
mental illness around the world, what would I do?
I'd create our new system.
I'd create our phone system.
I want to hear from you how you have the courage to, you know, you just shared earlier, you
know, like the tip of the iceberg of some of the trauma and the challenges that you've
been through
in life and I look forward to really going deeper to you.
But how did you have the courage to face that scared child or to reconnect with that scared
child?
Because I feel like for so many people, it's so much easier to try and forget or get away
and it's so much easier to try and hope that no one ever knows that happened and we
kind of ignore it or suppress it.
How do you, how do you really confront that?
It was actually an epiphany.
It wasn't necessarily my choice, I suppose you would say.
Again, I'm nudged just to do a lot of things by my partner sitting next to me.
But I was the queen of building the facade, the wall,
making people think I had it all together.
And inside I wasn't.
I was feeling pretty broken.
But I finally started the journey of healing,
but I didn't realize how judgmental I was.
I didn't realize how much I still was disconnected
from my past.
Even though I felt like I was personally starting
to heal some of the brokenness,
that was still a big issue.
I was disconnected, didn't wanna get involved with people from my past.
And I was very judgmental and didn't even realize it.
And I started to do a program at the Salvation Army with some of the, some people with addiction,
one of the largest inpatient addiction treatment centers that they have.
It was 186 beds.
I was asked to help transform their food. And
so I thought, yeah, I can deal with the menu. And then she said, no, I want you to work
with the people. And I'm like, no, I can't work with the people. And I started wrestling
with this. And Daniel's like, why can't you do this, honey? And I'm like, God just called
the wrong person this time. I'm sorry. I can't do this. And he looked at me. And he said,
God called the perfect person. And I was stunned and I started to cry
and I realized in that moment how judgmental I was. And I'm standing on stage and I don't like these people.
I just don't like them. But I've done a lot of work with Byron Katie and at that point and really some work on myself
about Judge your neighbor and I really, it's really powerful. And all of a sudden it struck me that I was judging them,
that I was literally looking down from a stage, athletes, people, and they were seen
exactly what I wanted them to see. This perfect facade, they weren't seeing me, they weren't seeing
the truth. And it just was a moment that that mask was stripped away. And I felt the supefany,
that if I could help one person in that room, that would be one less scared child in the world.
If I could, one less little girl that felt like an afterthought,
one less little boy that felt like he had to hide
because it felt safer.
And it just struck me that at one point in our lives,
we were all the same.
At one point, we were just all scared children.
And I don't know why some turned right and some turned left.
That's above my pay grade.
All I know is that if I could help one person think differently,
think differently at that proverbial fork in the road,
it might change the next generation.
And the stories of transformation or spectacular
of the people that she helped.
Is the most powerful work I ever did.
Being, so another lesson, is being authentic, telling your story, not having to be perfect,
connects you way more than having a perfect façade.
And pain shared is pain divided.
And right now during this time when people are feeling isolated, this is so perfect.
I mean, people are using social media in a positive
way. I mean, we all know it's got negative effects, but it can be used as this tool because pain
shared is pain divided. And I'm, you know, building that wall, keeping that facade up, that's
just like a boil building up. I hate I'm a nurse. Unfortunately, I use these gross, you know,
examples, but it's like this boil building up pressure. And once you lance it and let all that ugliness out, it has the opportunity to heal.
And when you share your pain with someone else, suddenly you don't feel the shame.
It's like it's this burden is shared.
And we can handle it.
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What is the one thing from both of you, this is our last question, what is the one thing
that you think people need to do today in 2020?
Because the level like you said, Dr. Raymond, you know, we went from 8 to 27 percent feeding
depression, we were all thrown this curveball. It was completely unpredictable. It was completely, you know,
unexplainable. Like no one saw this coming. Do we have the ability to evolve fast enough
to deal with this stress and pressure that's coming our way? And what's the one thing that
we can do to be ready and prepared for that? And I'd love to hear an answer from both of you. And wherever you'd like to go with that.
Well, that's why we survived this species because we can pivot. And those people that will thrive
during this time will not wish for the good old days. But they'll do is they'll see what are the opportunities going forward. And during
this time, they will love and take care of their brains because that's what's going to
get you to not only survive, but thrive. So it's back to that one question. What I'm
going to do today is it good for my brain or bad for it? So doing things that help you feel better fast like alcohol, marijuana, bad food, being
sedentary, being addicted to the news, all of those things are going to hurt your brain.
But taking a multiple vitamin, omega-3 fatty acids, optimizing your vitamin D level, getting out in the sun
if you can, exercising, learning how to not believe ever stupid thing you think.
Those things are great for your brain.
So back to, is this good for my brain or bad for it?
We'll help you not only survive, but it will help you thrive doing this historic time.
I like that. So one thing that really, because this has been a stressful time, we've got teenagers
in the house like everybody else, it's just it's stressful. So what helps me is looking at things
from a 30,000 foot perspective. So if I step back, I step out of the picture, take myself out of it
and look at it from a distance or like you're watching a movie.
And then for me, it's like, what part of this is important,
what part of it is not, who has our best interest,
who does not, and then I ask myself, what can I control?
Focus on the things I can control, not the things I can't,
because so much of it we can't.
We can't control what people are saying on the news
and the negativity.
We just can't control that. But we can control our thinking. And I notice that when I go
in the backyard in the morning, walk through my grass with bare feet and watch the hummingbirds
with green tea in my hand, nothing is wrong in the world. It's not until I come back in
the house and start watching the news and listening to what's happening in the world that it all
sounds like doom and gloom. So I focus on what I can control.
And I always go back to those four circles and I really practice it.
Nutrition, diet, meditation, prayer.
You know, for me, I have to do all connection.
I have to do all of it.
I'm not a person you can do one thing.
It's amazing.
Thank you so much, both of you for doing this.
If you want more information, please please please go and grab the books.
End of Mental Owners.
You can see one of the other books.
I don't know if it's written like I think what are you on your 12th book now?
Don't you?
I'm on your board now.
40 second.
Yeah.
40 second.
Five.
You have a ways to catch up, but I'm also much older than you.
I'm never never catch up.
But change your brain, change your life.
The End of Mentoronus was the last interview
that we did on my podcast.
And Tannis New Book is available for pre-order.
It's not out yet.
It's a relentless courage of a scared child.
So those are the names of the two books.
I highly recommend them.
Please, please, please.
Go and pre-order Tannis Book.
And you can go by Dr. A. She has an event coming up
on December 12th, free.
So people can sign up for it at RelentlessCourage.com.
Tell me the website.
Say that again, Dr. A. RelentlessCourage.com.
Amazing. I'm just putting that in the relentless card.
I'm putting in the comments.
Thank you so much. Parage.com.
Okay, everyone, I'm just gonna pin this
to the top of the comments.
Sorry, it's the bottom of the comments.
You can see it, right?
I can't put my hand down.
I'm trying to get put out hands down.
There you go.
CandlestCourage.com, it's right there.
So go and click on that and sign up.
What date was that again, Dr. Avin?
Can you remind us?
December 12th. Great, December 12th, RelentlessCourage.com. You can go and sign up for a free event,
which is dedicated to the book. So please, please, please, everyone is watching this. Whether
you're watching it live with us right now, whether you're going to watch the replay,
check out RelentlessCourage.com. But thank you to both of you for doing this and joining our mental health festival
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