On Purpose with Jay Shetty - How To Create Meaningful Content & Use Social Media Strategically
Episode Date: November 22, 2019When’s the last time you reflected on your social media use and your purpose for being on a platform? Creating and consuming content comes down to a place of personal discipline. The desire for com...petition, comparison, criticism, and gossip has always been there, and this is why having an intentional relationship with social media is crucial. My encouragement and recommendation is to share good, follow good, and create good. Text Jay Shetty 310-997-4177 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hey everyone, welcome back to on purpose.
I'm on the road this week.
I've been doing a bit of traveling.
I've been everywhere from Vancouver for We Day.
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We had 20,000 kids who'd done thousands and thousands
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It was all about service, all about spreading purpose
and positivity.
And then I went to Lake Tahoe.
I was doing an incredible event with YouTube's team.
And we were talking about mental health.
We were talking about how powerful the platform is
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for you this week.
So what I'm sharing with you is a sneak peek
of the interview that took place at Wisdom 2.0
in San Francisco.
This was one of my favorite interviews
I've ever done. I think we got into a really great conversation about social media, how
it can be used effectively, what are the pros, what are the cons, how we can actually create
habits that work better. So I can't wait for you to hear this episode. Thank you so much.
You're going to love it. Thanks for being here.
Thanks for being here. So we're here to talk about social media and how to use that
and both the creative and thoughtful way.
So we had Ev Williams here last night,
who's one of the founders of Twitter.
And he said, we had no idea what we were creating.
We thought if we gave everybody a voice,
like life would instantly kind of be better.
And then after the last election, when one of the candidates used it very loud and
boisterously, he said we have to kind of look again at how social media can either create
divisions or also create unity.
And so I'm interested to hear your own experiences on what the possibilities and potential social media are,
and how you found using it in ways that actually inspire people versus just kind of go into a
scroll, kind of, and I go into this time where you're just scrolling around and you're pretty
much mindlessly kind of consuming content. So any thoughts would be... Absolutely. How many of you have ever found yourself
in a random rabbit hole on social media?
Right, but one of the most incredible things I believe
that social media is done is that it genuinely just
amplifies what's inside us already.
And that's really harsh and inconvenient truth,
but it's true because the challenge is that envy and competition
have always existed inside the human condition.
And so social media simply puts a massive magnifying glass on there,
it makes it feel like it's this new issue.
But actually, it's been something that we've not dealt with for a long, long time.
The desire for competition, comparison, criticism, gossip,
that's always been there.
It's just that social media has put a magnifying glass on an amplified huge again where we're
like, oh my god, there's this new issue.
And loneliness and not connecting with people have always been there.
There's this incredible study that I love quoting at the moment, when men and women were asked to be alone with their thoughts for 15 minutes or choose an electric shock.
60% of men chose an electric shock and 30% of women chose an electric shock.
So you do want to be alone with our thoughts for 15 minutes.
So social media has just provided us a way to fill that 15 minutes,
but it's us who are so uncomfortable being alone.
So what I've seen having started making content around three years ago online,
having made content for years offline, but online content,
inked a study and released it two weeks ago, out of the 777 million posts on Facebook last year,
which I'm sure many of you contributed to,
out of the 777 million posts on Facebook last year,
the majority of posts that did well were positive.
The top 500 posts on Facebook last year
were positive, uplifting, and empowering.
And the top 10 videos were all positive
and made people happy.
It wasn't news, it wasn't politics,
it wasn't any of those things that we may spend
all of our days talking about and worrying about.
It was the things that did well.
It was the things that were doing well
and spreading goodness.
And so my perspective, having lived as a monk
for three years in India, we talked a lot about the neutrality of anything.
So this glass is not good or bad, it's what's filled inside of it.
So right now it's got water in it, which is great, and it could have poison in it, which would be bad.
Thanks for not doing that, sorry.
And the glass can't be judged as good or bad. So when I approach social media,
I saw it in the same way as this glass
that social media inherently is not good or bad.
It's given meaning by how I use it.
It's given meaning by what I subscribe to it for.
It's given meaning by who I follow,
what I follow and what I share.
And guess what?
The majority of us are sharing good stuff.
Statistically, philosophically, spiritually, those are the kind of messages
that genuinely are spreading on social media, and it's for us to continue to be a part of that,
rather than be a part of that problem. So my encouragement and recommendation is,
share good, follow good, create good, and social media can be a place that and livens and lightens.
I, uh, to give you, yeah.
Well, I think that's beautiful.
And, um, I think I, I'm with you in that on one level,
on another level, this glass doesn't know all of your data
and doesn't get upset and start pinging you every time
you stop using it for a few days.
Jay, did you see your mom's first Jay?
So and so like this, Jay.
So it, it, it, it's just here for you to use it.
So should we attend to be, it needs to be fed, right?
At least in an advertising model, it needs to be fed to continue.
And so how do you work on that system
where you know that it's trying to grab our attention.
And we have to figure out some way of managing that well.
And I think that's part of the challenges is like the glass isn't there if you needed
and not needed the data that now the systems have for keeping us.
That's where I get a little bit of like, I have some conflict around our questions around.
I'm wondering how you manage that.
And I understand they need to make money
and there's people they need to pay.
So there has to be some advertising model.
At the same time, there's a lot of data
they know about us to keep us kind of hooked in.
Absolutely.
Yeah, how many of you pull out your phones
and then put it back inside your pocket
and then wonder why you pulled out in the first place?
Anyone else do that?
I do that all the time.
You convince yourself that you look to the time,
but then when you ask yourself what the time was,
you don't know what it is.
So thank you.
I'm glad you do it too.
I do it all the time.
And we take our phones out of pocket 200 times a day
and check all our posts 2,000 times a day
plus on average.
So great question.
Completely agree with what you're saying.
Don't disagree with it at all.
For me, it comes down to a place
of personal discipline. Capitalism means you're going to be hit by multiple messages forever. Before
social media, it was the billboards, right, or the television. It was the television. Before the
television, it was billboards, right, before the billboards, it was something else. I wasn't alive.
But the point is that there's always been a way in which consumerism
and capitalism will constantly try and bombard you. So we can either sit here and complain
about it or be upset about it, but guess what? Social media is not going away. So what are
we going to do about it? It's us building those practices and habits of personal discipline
that allow us to refrain from. It's one of my favorite ones is I have no technology zones
and times in my home.
So there are zones in the home
that I don't believe technology should go to,
those are the kitchen and the bedroom
because it's more fun to eat and sleep with people.
And I also recommend no technology times.
So one of my favorite ones is I've trained myself
to not look at my phone first thing in the morning.
Now when I first started to do this,
I literally had to lock every device in my car
down the stairs outside my home.
And I ordered a time X alarm clock from Amazon.
And I had that by my bedside and that's what I would wake up to.
And I would wake up to that and I wouldn't have my phone
as an instant way of pushing dopamine through my mind.
And I was trading myself out of that habit
of relying on that notification to make me feel good.
So that I could dedicate my time to my personal
two hour meditation practice every morning.
I could dedicate that time to exercising and working out.
So I feel whatever it takes for us to build those habits in our lives,
none of us genuinely need our fund first thing in the morning.
Like none of us can say we need it.
There's nothing on that device that you need in the morning.
And if you say it's an alarm, there's plenty of other alarm clocks.
Plenty nicer alarm notifications too.
So I think the answer to your question is, I agree,
but that's not new. It's always been there. It's just now companies are
smarter and faster at doing it and therefore we have to be smarter and faster
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Um, creation of content.
What have been some of the surprises?
Because you've created things that I thought I'm sure that you've thought, oh, this is
going to kill it.
People are going to love it and it didn't do so well.
And you probably created other things that's like, whoa, I had no idea.
So what have you learned about the content that you're creating that seems to get the greatest response from people? Absolutely. So I read a study
by the New York Times that analyzed the 7,000 pieces of viral content to
talk about what content actually scales across the human mind. The first type of
content is, and there's only five categories of content that are shareable in
that go viral. The first one is adventure. Content that makes you feel a sense of adventure
is more shareable.
The second is comedy or humor, makes sense.
The third one is emotion.
Emotion is attached to news, usually negative.
When we see some negative news,
it triggers a negative emotion, we share it.
The fourth is inspiration and positivity and motivation.
And the fifth is surprise.
We love sharing like a dog cat video or a baby video
that a baby dancing to be on say
or a dog doing something else.
We share that type of content.
So when I look at all of that,
and I look at the type of content I've created,
every time I've gone wrong,
is when I've tried to create a piece of content
where I want someone to learn something or know something.
Because if you look at these five things,
they're all feelings.
Right, we all want to feel a sense of adventure.
We want to feel like laughing.
We feel bad, right?
That's a feeling.
We feel inspired and we feel a sense of surprise.
We don't know, learn or remember that.
The feeling in itself is memorable.
So every time I've made a video where I thought
he was gonna do really well, it's when I've been like,
I really want you to know this point
and to learn this point and remember this point
and this point is so important,
it's more important than everything else in the world.
Which I'm sure a lot of us do his content creators
or curators or whatever we are.
And it's when I've forgotten that we're all feelers,
we all feel.
So now I ask myself when I make a piece of content,
how does someone feel after watching this video?
Not what they think, no, or remember.
And that's been the difference in content that is scaled
and content that is not done as well,
because I believe it's humans we love feeling.
And how do you see the balance between actually
reading something and then taking action?
So for example, I can see an inspirational video.
I'm like, oh, wow, yeah, I'm going to go be tinder.
And then, oh, wow, cool cat video.
And it last, that feeling lasts for like one second or two seconds.
Like, wow, I'm being motivated to go out and be kind.
When it looks like, it looks like sometimes that, that visceral negativity actually inspires
more than the positivity.
And I'm wondering if that's just something I'm missing or if the platform is kind of set
up a certain way or how we address that as a culture.
Because I worry that the loudest, meanest voice, just like in a playground, the loudest,
meanest voice can win out.
And same with on Twitter or social media, like the loudest, meanest voice is going to
win out.
So how do we address that?
Yeah, that's a great point.
I think it's a great question.
I think one of the biggest things I see is that as a human motivator, I remember when
I was studying the Vedic teachings, which is my background, they talk about three key
motivators of humanity.
The bottom and lowest motivator is hate and fear.
And it's the easiest one to get activated by. Higher than that is duty,
which doesn't really exist in the world today, but that sense of commitment, loyalty, duty,
doing something just out of responsibility. And then the highest is love. And that's the highest
one to access, it's the hardest one to access. And it's one that takes a bit more time. How many times
does someone shout at you to do something? You do it straight away and someone asked you really nice like I do, right?
It's so much easier to get activated by fear and hatred.
So I think that's common that exists.
We know that, but I think we have to,
there's a beautiful thought from Martin Luther King
that I always think of when I answer
on the thingy of a question like this.
And he says that those who love peace need to learn
to organize themselves as well as those who love peace need to learn to organize themselves as well as those who
love war.
Right?
Those who, thank you, mind if you can.
Those who love peace need to learn to organize themselves as well as those who love war.
And that's the mistake I see that we rely so much, those who are coming from a place of
love, compassion and empathy, rely so a place of love, compassion and empathy,
rely so much on just love, compassion and empathy. We don't get strategic, we don't get
focused, we don't hustle hard, we don't work. And that was the difference commitment that
I decided to make my own life. I was like, I'm going to be an ambassador for change. If
I'm going to make wisdom go viral, if my videos are going to be the most seen videos on social
media, which they are, I'm going to have to work as hard as somebody wants to break the
world. Right. And if I don't work that hard, thank you. If I don't put in that work, just
intentionally wanting good stuff and wanting to manifest positivity is not enough. And I
think that's the biggest challenge. We need to get more strategic, we need to get more focus.
We need to be hustling as hard or if not harder as someone who doesn't want the world to go in the right way.
So I'm curious, we have a few minutes left. Is there something we haven't covered yet that you're super passionate about?
And you feel like, I just, this is really important to me. I want to give it a call.
Yeah, thank you for asking that. I think one of the biggest things that I've learned by doing social media and being an online creator
is that we can really switch
a online community to an offline community.
So part of the work that I've been doing
is trying to build tribes and communities
around people who connect with my content online.
So I now have, obviously, there's millions of people
that are following my work online,
millions of people that are watching the video,
but that doesn't satisfy me.
Like I'm not doing it for the views or the follow-up count or the vanity metric.
What I get really excited about is when groups of my community and audience are getting together.
So we now have...
We're in person.
...in person.
So we now have my audience spans across about 140 countries and we now have tribes and
groups and meetups in 140 cities every single week where people are getting
together without me being there.
And that's the beauty of it for me that they're finding their own tribe, their community,
without me needing to be there.
And that's the beauty of it for me that people are finding real human connection because sometimes
they feel their family is a negative toxic environment.
Sometimes they feel their works a negative toxic environment.
So this is an alternative family, right? This is giving an alternative option. So I feel the
quicker we can transfer our online connections to offline ones, the more meaningful social media
becomes, rather than just leaving them there and chatting to people. So I really believe in
that transfer of online to offline. And I think that can make a huge impact.
believe in that transfer of online to offline. And I think that can make a huge impact.
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about whether social media creates more loneliness
or despites loneliness,
and that was the difference, the difference was,
are you using social media mainly to just keep using social media?
And are you using social media to join meetups to find out about events, to find out about
gatherings where you actually have a human connection because it's that human connection
that actually decreases that sense of loneliness?
Absolutely.
And we've had various speakers here who started Facebook or Twitter, different kind of things.
And they had no idea what was going to happen to their platforms, right?
I mean, the platforms have become something
much bigger than they am.
They never imagined a Donald Trump
when they started Twitter, I think it's 13 years ago,
or other people who've used the things.
It's like, it's taken on a life of its own.
And I'm wondering if we just have a few minutes left.
If you can say something about
the vision that you have for social media, which I know you've kind of spoken to somewhat,
but I feel like there is a turning point that we're kind of facing, which is now that everybody can have a voice,
now that we all have our own production company and platform, what are we going to do with it?
And is it going to take us further away from nature, take us further away from human contact?
Are we going to not see our children even more because everyone's at the dinner table,
like not connecting.
And I appreciate the work you've done
because I feel like we need models
and we need examples.
So we need people who are forging a path.
It's like, all right, if this exists,
let's at least try to use it.
Before we give up on it,
let's at least try to use it in a way that inspires.
So yeah, any of the final thoughts?
Absolutely.
Yeah, if you need to take a break of social media, do it.
You know, I think that's important.
When you need your break, you need your refuel.
I spent 30 days a year not using social media,
even though my whole life exists on it.
It's been 30 days a year where I go into deeper meditation.
And I'm not active on my phone at all, and that helps me.
But one thing I'd really look at is figuring out why you're on social media,
like just asking yourself, why am I on this platform? And if you can't answer that with a really honest,
genuine, authentic reason, then find one to be on there. Because if we're not focused users,
we will only be consumers, and that's when you get drawn in, rather than being additive, we will only be consumers and that's when you get drawn in rather than being additive
we get consumed by the media and that applies to everything by the way, not just social media that principle
applies to everything that if you can't figure out why you're there, then why are you there?
Right and so I think that's really important that we figure our intention, we figure out why we're there, what we're doing there,
what's our purpose there, and so for me I made it very clear when I started that my goal was to make wisdom go viral.
And so that's what I'm focusing on is how can we use social media to scale?
And I have to add that, how many of you used Pokemon Go?
How many of you played Pokemon Go with your kids?
Right.
Okay, awesome.
So, I'll fair for you if you.
Everyone remembers Pokemon Go?
Yeah.
So, I'm using Pokemon Go as an example because it showed something.
At that time, all game manufacturers believed that no children wanted to go outside.
Right?
That was the running line.
Game manufacturers like every kid wants to be inside, no one wants to go outside.
He came a man who invented a game.
I'm not saying the game is amazing.
I'm just making this point.
He invented a game that made children go outside.
And the reason behind it was he said that when he was young,
him and his father would go out into the woods
and his father would explain to him different creatures,
different insects, different bugs, different animals.
And his father would explain the characteristics to him.
He wanted to do that with his son,
but he didn't know how to get his son outdoors.
So he invented this game that became this worldwide phenomenon. My point being
It's our job to be more creative, more focused, more excited, and more alive and to want to be with nature,
to want to try new things, to come up with new ideas. And when we do that, that's contagious. It cascades across the whole world.
So we shouldn't sit here and feel limited and imprisoned and And when we do that, that's contagious. It cascades across the whole world.
So we shouldn't see it here and feel limited
and imprisoned and controlled by a device.
It's up to us to decide whether it's in control or we are.
Beautiful.
So our time is up.
Jay Shetty, everybody.
He'll be doing a few.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you so much, then.
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beverages from our Mexican culture. We'll share personal memories and family stories,
decode culinary customs, and even provide a recipe or two for you to try at home.
Listen to Hungry for History on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.