On Purpose with Jay Shetty - Lewis Hamilton ON: Why You Should Stop Chasing Society's Definition of Success & How to Be More Intentional With Your Goals

Episode Date: January 23, 2023

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Because if I don't do it, then no one's going to do it. I don't care if my partners want to drop me, because I don't be associated with this narrative. Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every one of you that come back every week to listen, learn and grow. Now I know that our community is dedicated to living happier, healthier and more healed lives. And I am so excited to be talking to you today. I can't believe it. My new book, Eight Rules of Love, is out. And I cannot wait to share it with you. I am so, so excited for you to read this book, Eight Rules of Love, is out and I cannot wait to share it with you. I am so, so excited for you to read this book.

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someone with over a hundred race wins, considered the most successful F1 driver of all time. And Lewis is willing to embrace what makes him different, has defined his values and outlook on life. And in 2014, those values saw him win BBC's sports personality of the year, followed two years later by a position in Time magazine's 100 Most Influential People list.

Lewis received both accolades for a second time in 2020 in a year that saw him become a leading voice in the global fight for racial equality. In doing so, he was recognized as British GQ's game changer of the year and power lists most influential black person in the UK. And further to this, Lewis won the 2020 Laury Sportsman of the Year Award and most notably was formally recognized with a knighthood in 2020, New Year's honors for his outstanding achievements and contribution to motor sports on the track and off the track.

Louis is also a passionate activist for so many underrepresented groups and communities. His mission in 44 is doing incredible work. Please welcome to on purpose, Louis Hamilton. Louis, thank you for being here. Thank you so much for having me. No, this honestly is a special one for me. It's been one of those ones that, you know, when I first launched the podcast, there were a few names that I wanted to sit down with

and you were one of those names. So for me, it's a very special moment. And for this to be your first ever podcast, which you just told me, I didn't even know. And you literally told me this, like, 10 minutes ago, and in my head I'm thinking, thinking wow thank I am so grateful to have that honor honestly. Oh no no that's so sweet. The honor's mine. I'm really so grateful for everything you do and so I've been following and listening to you and you sent me the book a long time ago already so I really appreciate everything you're doing today.

Well thank you man thank you and I'm excited to unpack your journey because as we said because it's your first podcast people have heard parts of you, but we don't really understand the depth and the texture of Lewis Hamilton. And so, I guess I want to start in a different place and we'll kind of go through on this journey. I want to ask you, what do you feel is the hardest thing you've had to do in order to be who you are today? I think continuing to have the belief in myself

and not letting that veer off since I was young, since I've been told from my teachers that I would never amount to nothing. The bullying or the things that you face, that the adversity you face, the discrimination, and just continuing to keep your head up, continuing to march on ahead towards your dream and never lose inside now.

I think that's definitely for sure the most difficult thing is keeping your goal and your eyes set on that and not being distracted, not giving up. I think the easiest thing in life is to give up on whatever, you know, whatever you're focused on or whatever you're hopeful for. The hardest thing is to keep going, but we have to. Like we have to continue to hold on. And I would imagine for so many people out there, that is probably the most difficult thing.

Yeah, I think that's a great answer, because I think people look at you and they assume that you never have to make that choice, right? They see someone in your position, someone who's achieved what you've achieved, and the assumption can be, oh yeah, but he's the greatest. He was, he was just always that way. And he doesn't have to make that choice every day. But as you said, since

the beginning of your life, whether it's childhood, whether it's breaking into a sport that wasn't set up for you, there've been so many moments. Let's, let's go back to school. Let's talk about some of that more in depth because I feel like a lot of people struggle at school, but you kind of went through a lot of altercations and adversities at that time. What were some of the things you were hearing, some of the bullying, some of the racism, the experiences that you had that felt limiting or made it feel like it was easier to give up? I think for me, I mean, school was probably the most traumatizing and

difficult, most difficult part of my life. Wow. I really was being bullied at the age of six. I think at the time that particular school, I was probably one of three kids of color. And just bigger, stronger bullying kids were throwing me around a lot of the time. I was always the last picked in the, you know, when you're standing to playground in your, in the line of when they're picking teams for football, I was always the last one chosen or not even chosen. Even if I was better than somebody else.

And then the constant japs, the things that are the thrown at you, like, bananas or people that would use the M-wear, just so relaxed. People call you half-cars, and, you know, just really not knowing where you fit in. That for me was difficult. When you then go into, like, history class and everything you learn in history, there are no people of color in the history that they're teaching us. So I was thinking, oh, well, where are the people that look like me? And I mean, in my school, there was only around, I think there was around seven, maybe six, seven black kids out of 1200 kids, and three of us

were outside the headmaster's office all the time. The headmaster just had it out for us and particularly for me I would say. So like just juggling all these different emotions that you're feeling plus I struggled at school. I didn't find out till I was 16 and I was dyslexic. Fortunately I came across a teacher that was actually caring and took me down that road and helped me discover a little bit more about myself and how I can better myself through education. But I think that for me was, that was tough. Also,

because I was racing every weekend, I would leave on the Thursday night, we would travel, you know, pack up the motorhome, we would travel around the country to race on the weekends. And no one else knew when I'd go back to school, all the kids have done normal things on the weekend. And I'll come back and say I was racing and people would be like, oh, I've done that before. You know, like at the theme park or something. But no one really knew what my goal was

and could really, they thought we would, and maybe it was a joke. You missed a lot of that social interaction also. I was putting all the lowest sets at school and told that if you do well you can progress and they never ever let me progress no matter how hard I tried. So I really felt that the system was really up against me and I was kind of swimming against the tide. But I'm so grateful for that that journey because that's what built me to the person I am today. But there were a lot of things that I suppressed, because I couldn't go home and say,

hey, to my, I didn't feel like I could go home and tell my parents that, you know, these kids kept calling me the M.W. today. I got bullied, I got beaten up at school today, or I, you know, I wasn't able to defend myself. I didn't want my dad to think I was not strong. And so, you know, if I had tears, I would hold them back. If I had emotions, it would be in a quiet place. And it wasn't really

till I started racing that I was able to channel this emotion that I had into my driving. And so when I put this helmet on Superman was my favorite. I loved how he fought for the people and I loved how he did the right things and he was a really inspiring character for me. But again, no superhero was of color. So, you know, but you can still aspire to be someone that's if they don't look like you, you know. And so I remember going to karate. I remember putting this helmet on and racing.

It felt like it was my cloak, you know, that my superpower could come out when I was driving. And I was battling with these kids and I was doing able to do things that they seemed to not be able to do as well. And that was my love. Wow. Yeah, I mean, it's my mind was opposite. I was bullied a lot at school as well. I was one of five people of color in my primary school. And I was also overweight and so I was bullied for that. And obviously, you know, my parents are from Indian backgrounds and so they'd gone through it much worse than I did when they'd moved to England. But the difference was that I would go cry to my mum and that my mum would come try and save the day in school and that was the worst. So embarrassing, like your mum's telling the

teacher what happened and then I'm like, oh no mum don't do this. And then it's even more embarrassing because the kids pick on you going, oh mum came to save you. Oh yeah, yeah mum is going. Yeah mum is going. So that was my version of it. I wasn't scared of crying to my mum but then That was my version of it. I wasn't scared of crying to my mom, but then it had different things. But yeah, that's so hard as a kid. When you're going through that and you're trying to find yourself,

you're trying to figure out what confidence is, you don't even know what that means, you feel like not going to school. But then even though you're saying you found it in racing, I mean racing was similar because you were working class, you're still to this day, the only working class black driver to do as successful as you have. So not only do you have it at school,

you also have it in your passion, like in the thing that is your cloak is your Superman. So how does it feel when you're also dealing with it in that area where you've discovered what your passion or your interest is at that age? What does it feel like when you're getting in that area where you've discovered what your passion or your interest is at that age, what does it feel like when you're getting in that space? It's inescapable. You know, you use that as an escape,

but then you're confronted with it also. And so I was just grateful that I had this amazing figure and my dad, you know, I got one of my best friends like his dad was never there. I know there's not many people that have separated parents and and being shared between parents is not an easy thing. You know, some days with your mom and some days with that, my, my mom was the soft loving parent. So that's where I really, I feel like I learned a lot of compassion and empathy. That's where I feel like I get it from her.

My dad was that that strong, like kind of stronger rock. And also just someone that looked like me on, and just he would say, do you talk in the track? Don't be distracted by it. Don't listen to what they're saying. Do your driving on the track and show, it's just be quiet and walk away as well as, you know. So, but, you know, again, like your parents,

my parents went through, well, particularly my dad was someone that also faced adversity through his life and he's like, I wanna do everything in my power to create a better life for my kid so that I don't feel or experience the things that I have encountered through my journey. And so, but I think for me was also difficult having

I'm biracial, so having a white mother, for example, and a black dad, I knew my dad would understand the racial slurs that I turned out to be my mom couldn't understand it. So I couldn't really speak to my mom about it. She was loving, but she had never been educated within it. She didn't know anything about black history and slavery. So it was a very difficult, but I had love there, which

was the most important thing. But in the racing, it was like, you know, like kids, you just want to enjoy yourself. You want to be included. And when you're kind of outcast a little bit, it's difficult for kids. And so that's why today, like I'm like if I'm posting something, I hope that when I do click that button, I hope that it is the positive

wave for some of the kids out there that are being distracted by all the stuff that's going on around the world. Yeah, I mean, I was, I was telling you earlier, I was so grateful. Kim, I told you an Austin a couple of weeks ago and got to meet your dad and I'd heard you talk about your dad in that way before. And it's when I met him, I was just, you know, it was nice to share that with him and I was just saying how beautiful it is to see your relationship and how it's evolved. It's not always been that way.

Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah, yeah, to walk us through wherever you feel. My dad has been like the leader in getting, you know, he had four jobs at one stage just to keep us going. Because when we all started going on, most of the people we're, majority of the people were from working class families. So, but then there are, of course, a few wealthier kids that have slightly better access to equipment and mechanics and all those sorts of of things and my dad was my mechanic

So it was just me and him on the road and my step-mom Linda She would be there supporting Making sure that we're fully clothed making sure that we we've eaten and then we're hydrated all those sorts of things so that we can prepare my kid So it was very much a family outing. It was a family kind of family weekend. We did it as a family. We traveled together.

My little brother would be on the road with us as well, who's a mega inspiration. You definitely got to speak to him one day. Born with several pauses. When I was seven and is a speaker today. So he's and racing. He's done, he's defined all the odds and even though he's seven years younger

than me, still very much an inspiration. But the thing with my dad was, he was my manager all the way till I was like, I got to, we got to phone one and he was, he worked so hard, his work ethic for me was, that that's, was inspiring for me, seeing how hard he worked the time he gets up in the morning. The little sleep that you would have end of his day in the garage working on the go-kart

preparing for the weekend packing up the truck and getting us to where we are, mechanicking, learning to be a better mechanic and still weighing all these different things. It was quite phenomenal to see, but I think it was difficult for him to then show me love. Sometimes you just want to hug from your dad, you know, or when you're facing these things, you want to be able to be embraced. But when I think I got to when I was 22, 23, it got really intense when I got to Formula One. Because all of a sudden, you're thrown into... You go through cutting and cars.

You don't go to school to learn to speak to the media. You literally thrown into the pit. And at the time, I didn't have management up other than my dad. I sent my book, Flight and Trips. But I didn't have PR. I didn't have anybody to help protect me or prepare me for things.

Driving, I was good, I was sad. But in these things is where a lot of mistakes happened. You've got all the media attention, so you're just learning on the go, which is really difficult for a young star, I think. Yeah, absolutely. Also, you want to try and live some normal life, but nothing is normal for you at the time. I think for me and my dad, we're really bumping heads at one stage.

I really just want you to be my dad, we can, let's go and have fun. Let's go and have a laugh. We hadn't had that for a long time. And so eventually I decided to set part ways for my dad and I was like, I'm going to start making some of the decisions for myself and the mistakes that I'm going to need to make. And there was definitely a period of time where we spoke less. But we both have worked so hard to come back together. And we have one of the greatest, you know,

he's the first person I want to cool when I finish a race. Because I know he knows what it's like. He was there from day one. And so, you know, he's been to the last two races with me. He's probably going to come to the next one. There's days where I do feel like, I'm not enough, there's days where I don't feel like I'm good enough.

And people will be like, yeah, you've won seven world titles and we're, yeah, but still there's days where I question, no, you still got it, you still, can you still be the best? Yes, you can. So I have to just always, I'm having a conversation with myself often, but my dad's also there. Sometimes I'll say something that you still be the best? Yes, you can. And so I have to just always, I'm having that conversation with myself often,

but my dad's also there. Sometimes I'll say something that's maybe not the most positive and he'll be the one there just reaffirming. No, you've got this, believe in yourself. And it's so important for people to have people like that around them. And I support myself, I surround myself with other positive people as well.

And we continue, I think it's all our job to lift everyone up, right? Or when everyone around me to win and to become the best version of themselves. No, thank you for sharing that as well. Thank you for opening up about that because, yeah, I think the relationships we have with our parents are just so significant when it comes to achievement and success. And when you start doing sport at your level even at an early age. Winds and losses starts becoming so important so when and losses important in everyone's life. In the sense that everyone has it in exams and school and things like that which we'll talk about in a second as well but. For you you're having it.

In a very over way. You have one, two, three, and then you have everyone else. And how have you kind of worked with that since you're young? Because I can imagine that your psychology can become very much like if you win, things are great, if you lose, things are bad, how have you kind of processed that as times gone on? And was there a time when it was unhealthy and difficult?

And has it got better or is it something you're always working on? So on one side of things, I struggled at school as I said, so the teachers would write these reports that I was not focused or I wasn't doing well. And I remember the fear of that report every year and I try so hard to do well. And then these teachers, I don't know if teachers out there realize when they write those reports, what's happening back at home,

whether you have an abusive household or the stress of that was difficult. I feel in racing, if I could win, I could see a smile on my desk face. And it was really like, okay, if I do well at this, I know that I'll be accepted, you know? but I've got to work double hard to be, I've got to always be first. I always laugh about the whole, if you're not first, you're last.

Because I'm literally whilst that's obviously I'm not been first my whole life. First was everything. In order to be accepted, in order to fit in, and maybe to be appreciated. Not only within my relationship, perhaps with my dad, but then also around my friends. And it wasn't until I got older, I realized it's about the bigger picture. But when you have success, it's so short lived. It's like, it really is really short lived. You win a race, then you go back home,

and you have, as a racing driver, the weekend's so intense, you've seen it. There's so much energy, so much, it's really, really a stressful environment for everyone that's working within it. Then you go home, and there's a huge come down, like one or two days later, and you're trying to balance those emotions,

that emotional roller coaster, and learning to kind of channel that and figure out ways to keep your balance And you're trying to balance those emotions, that emotional roller coaster. And learning to kind of channel that and figure out ways to keep it balanced with your routine and those sorts of things has been really key for me. But I think during the last couple, last few years, really understanding that it's about the bigger picture. I'm fighting for something far greater than winning a race. I'm really fighting for change in the world.

You know, we're more divided than ever. I would say it's devastating. I can't watch the news. It's devastating. Obviously, it's so much happening. But there are so many great people out there that are doing really great things. And I want to be one of, I want to be a part of that inspirational energy bubble that people like yourselves are a part of because we need to create a broader future, we need to create better future leaders. Look how bad our leaders are, that are in governments, we need to be inspired in the next generation of thought leaders that are positive. So that's why I to try to be a part of every day. And so I'm really trying to focus on my intentions

as you're talking about, like, sitting here in tensions each day. I'm trying to learn new tools that I didn't have when I was a kid. I didn't know about yoga, I didn't know about meditation. I didn't have podcasts to listen to, good people to listen to, and aspire to kind of help me put on the right path. So, yeah, we've got a lot of work to do and there's almost not enough time here on this planet, right? We're here for such a short time reading the Skelety Universe.

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And get 10% of your first month of online therapy when you sign up. When we first connected that was one of the biggest reasons for me that I saw you using your platform for a bigger purpose. I was like, oh, that's fascinating. That's so interesting to me because that's a choice, too. I think today we kind of assume that if someone has a platform or if someone's number one in their field or if someone's got followers that they should talk about stuff, we kind of assume that anyone who has followers should talk about stuff.

First of all, I don't think that's the case. I think a lot of people choose not to, but you were someone that stood out to me massively where I was just like, wow, this person's really not just winning on the track, but it's thinking about how winning on the track transfers to what you can do off the track because of the influence, because of your network, because of your impact. And I find that to be really the missing link for so many people, because I always say that your purpose is something not just that makes you happy.

It's when you use what makes you happy to serve other people, like when you use it to impact other people's lives. When did that drop for you? When did that click for you? Were you ever, I guess what I'm trying to say is there's a transition when you're saying that, well, you know, winning, like maybe get the nod from my dad and obviously I was bullied and then I'm winning, but then I'm number one at something like, was there a point at which number one didn't satisfy you?

Was there a point at which the success that came from it or you didn't actually have to get dissatisfied? You just found that there was a better way to be successful. Does that make sense? The part that was striking when you're just saying that for me, it was like I feel like we often live in fear of what people think, how you're going to be judged, when you're just saying that for me it was like I feel like we often live in fear of what people think how you're gonna be judged, how you're gonna be received, if you're free outspoken, you're gonna lose your job, you're gonna be fired. I've always been an outspoken person. I think that's just been a quality. I'm never been a follower.

I don't like to conform to how people expect what people expect from you. As I said, I was having a success and I was like, okay, now I'm at the top. What can I do with it? Yeah. And there are so many causes. There's so many problems out there and there's so many amazing causes. And which one, you know, there's only one of you. So like, where do you put the focus? That's take it took a long, long time to really find what that was for me. I think for me, education was something that I felt extremely passionate about

because I'd been out to India. I'd been out into some of the really poorest places, like Manila and seeing young kids who are like us, but begging for food and not having the same opportunities and for me, that broke my heart and realized how privileged we are and how fortunate we are. I was like, I want to be working with people out there that are trying to create more. I was over 100 million kids that don't have access to school or education.

So how can I get involved in that? So allowing yourself with people that do. But I think I was I was winning and it was giving me that tip of happiness, but then I would kind of drop back down to normality and there was something missing and it was that purpose really. Understanding what that purpose was and understanding what why you've been put here, why you've been given the platform that you've been given. Why were the only people of color this whole time through it all? And when I started speaking about diversity,

people were like, oh, you want to get more people of color as racing drivers, only 20 of us. So as I know, there's 40,000, 40,000, 40,000 jobs, this thousands of engineering jobs in the background, and there's such a lack of diversity coming through. I want to be a part of shifting that narrative and shifting that conversation and having people be questioned themselves and have those difficult conversations with people. So I first, I just started by having those difficult conversations with my boss and One of the things he brings up that he said that hit him hard I said if you ever thought of as a white person walking into the paddock into the race

We can paddock and being the only white person there He's like he's like I hadn't even thought of that and I said well, that's what it's like for Someone like me when I'm in the room, you noticed, you noticed that out of 50 people in a meeting, you're the only person, the black person there. And it's not because we are less, it's because there are these barriers within society through education that are limiting people to be the best they can be. So my job is to be empowering and improvement representation. I'm really, really passionate like BlackHank with you as well. So that's why I'll go involved with the Denver Broncos. Denver Broncos, yeah.

Yeah. And usually when I'm in conversation with sponsors or companies, I'm like, hey, so what, how diverse is your team? What are you doing about diversity, inclusion? How you creating a better workspace for people? That's what I want to be a part of. The success can come later and that's that will be along the way, but if you're not asking those questions, or you're not tackling those issues, then we're not lined. And so all of them, pretty much every partner that we have, and we have a lot of partners within our team, I've asked these really difficult questions questions and they're like, oh, you know what? But we can do more. I'm like, well, let's do it. You know, so I think I've grown very close with my like Mercedes Benz and Damor. They've

been so open that we changed the car from silver to black in 2020. And as again, I said to them, like the car has been silver forever. It's always been silver arrows. And I was like, imagine if we changed the car to black, what that could, you know, us turning up and arriving, it's how you show up and it's how, you know, imagine the message we can send. And we had the black car for the whole year. And we didn't even really talk much about it. We just let it be. And we won with it. And that's when I won my semifort title with that car. So that's beautiful. Now that must have felt special. It was honestly my whole life flashed by my, not that last lap in Turkey.

My whole life like all the struggles, the questioning whether you were gonna make it or not, just all those doubts, all the fears kind of flashed by, you know, through my eyes and came across the line. And I was like, I did it. I know one of the kids out there to know that you can do it too, you know. So that's what I'm trying to like every day, just try to be encouraging of kids. Yeah. Do you sometimes feel that we were talking about this a bit earlier, that, you know, in other sports, we get to see the emotions and the expressions of players that we love or, you know, anyone who's on

the court or the field or the pitch, whereas with you, because we don't get to see that in your eyes and your last lap like that, we can only hear it today, which is why I'm so grateful to have this moment because I obviously, whenever I'm sitting down with someone who's a high performer like you, it's obvious that there's so much emotion and preparation and power, but with racing specifically, you just don't get to see that. Do you sometimes feel that the only people

that can truly relate to you, other people you compete with? Because I feel like, like's, like you said, there's only 20 of you that are racing anyway. It's lonely anyway. 99% of people in the world have no idea what it feels like to drive a car as fast as you do and the way you do in any comparison. Do you sometimes feel that the only people

you can relate to are the people that are racing against you and then do you kind of feel, is there a loneliness in that experience or is that kind of like a power in that as well? Definitely the other drivers, I do feel that there's more, we have a lot more incoming than we think, but we're so competitive and a lot of us have, I'd defense, you want to beat the guy but then you like the guy, you might like the person outside the car but you can't show that. Like there's this whole psychological battle you're having with yourself and getting away

of yourself a lot of the time. So I really feel like as an older driver, I'm trying to be more like reaching out to youngsters and because they're the future, you know. And I'm excited to see some of these young drivers that are coming through. So, so talented. I don't know if they've got the best structure around them, like I mean, like I didn't necessarily have the ultimate structure that I perhaps have now. So just try to be a kind of a positive light to them, but not actually none of them are black and none of them have necessarily faced the same as me,

but they've faced their own challenges and thinks about respecting that within everybody. And I've tried to be create allies necessarily like in having the difficult conversations with some of them. I mean, I'm so grateful for I've had a couple of them that really took the knee with me in 2020. Just on that, you know, my dad was going back to the hell with my dad. My dad like, never let me cry as a kid. He said there's a sign of weakness. don't let me ever see you shed a tear. So I remember just holding back through those difficult times as a kid, holding back most of that stuff in 2020. I cried, I hadn't cried for at least, I think at least 10 years, maybe more. It was, there was a lot of

bottled up stuff that came up that I had not realized that didn't even know about suppressing a pain or feeling. So I remember kind of being on my knees thinking know what is happening in the world. I've got to be outspoken, I've got to take that chance because if I don't do it then no one's going to do it. If I don't take the knee, if I don't let people like me know that I care and I hear you and I'm with you and I'm going to do something about it I'm going to risk it all. I don't care if My partners want to drop me because I don't be associated with this narrative. I don't I'm like and I literally let go of all the fear and that's why I went came so forward with it And I know it's not easy for everyone to do that

But I just want to really and try to encourage people out there to be themselves, to speak out if they've got a problem if they see something within the work environment or experiencing something, you've got to be out, spoken about it. And there's a right way to do it. The first day I was going to take the knee, I remember I didn't feel like I could tell my team. I was like, because I felt that they wouldn't understand how important it is for me to do this this day.

So I remember I had my black lives matter, a shirt, hidden, and I just wore it out there and I went ahead with it. So no one knew. No one knew. Wow. But the sport had made all these t-shirts like we racers won. Yeah. Slow-gun. And they gave these t-shirts, like we race as one, slogan. And they gave these t-shirts to everybody. I was like, I'm not wearing that.

That's not what this is about. And so this is what I'm doing. And this was around George Floyd, right? Yeah. I met him beautifully. And afterwards my team were like, well, why don't you, if you just told us we could have prepared better,

I had this fear that they would try and stop me, perhaps. But that was just a fear. They've been massively supported through the whole thing. My hope was that, you know, kids would be watching me like, what is that? Why is he taking a knee? What does that shirt mean? What is going on, Dad? Mom.

And then the parents be in an awkward position having to explain it maybe. But I think what was really encouraging for me, I think when we started really getting into the whole diversity inclusion, we did the research. There was only 3% out of 2,000 people in the team, there's 3% diversity. So since then, we've been on this mission. The team have started new projects. We've discovered that the sport generally hires from one group of universities, which is not diverse. And if there are any young black students that go there, that twice is unlikely to be hired when they come out compared to the counterparts and also paid less. So that's like this, all these things that perhaps people didn't know.

That's the Hamilton Commission, right? Yeah, that's the reason too. Yeah. And that just was interesting to experience that. And now we're working on like a diversity charter that all the teams have to be a part of. And it's not mine. It's for the sport. And it's to encourage those teams,

because there's still not any diversity within, you know, if you look at Ferrari, that I don't have a polyony. There's most teams don't. But when I go back to my team to the factory, normally in our marketing department wasn't very diverse initially and I walked in after the pandemic and I started seeing such a more diverse group of people. I was really quite emotional because as I went my god, I'm starting to see change. But you don't see that on TV.

Yeah. So when I talk to the to the bosses of the sport, I'm like, hey, you know, there's all white men facing, oh, and me facing the camera at the start of the race. Where are the women? Where are the people of color? We've got to be sure, so the young kids are watching and they're like, oh, there's a place for me there. I can be there. I can be an engineer, I can be a mechanic

or whatever it may be. And even for young girls, oh, I can be a racing driver or an engineer, strategist or whatever. So, representation is so, so key to inspiring the young youth. Especially in these industries that they already have less access to, right? Like, that's the point that it's not just representation because you want them to even have the opportunity. It's the fact that there's just no access point, which is what you're trying to create.

I think what's, what I find really beautiful about you doing is you're doing it though, when you're like, I'm having all my emotions come up, at the same time is trying to be a voice for other people. And when you're saying, like, I'm taking a knee because I know I have to make a stand externally, but internally you're taking a knee because so much of your own stuff from years ago is coming back up. That must be quite hard when you're, that strikes me as something that's really inspiring

about what you did is that you were going for your own healing at the same time as trying to do healing for the world. There is so much healing to do, right? I know I was completely oblivious to that healing for the world. There is so much healing to do, right? I know I was completely oblivious that I needed healing. I needed to really peel back some of those layers. I think for people that turn into tune into racing, you mentioned earlier on,

but when you, we arrive, everything is set up. We, there is work that we're doing in the background of naturally people don't see. They just see a show. But there is an unbelievable amount of work that goes on on the background. When I talk to people that talk about how much weight you lose in the, but they're like, yeah, you're just sitting in the car and you're driving. There's this huge psychological and

emotional rollercoaster that you're going through that it'll be really hard for people to comprehend. And you would mention about all these other athletes, you see their faces and other sports, you can't see because we've helmet on but you go through this roller coaster ride in the race and then you get out and the camera is right in your face. You're not prepared for that. Your emotions are shot particularly if you failed or feel like you failed and you don't always answer the right way. You wear your heart and your sleeve, people that don't necessarily like that necessarily always, people take advantage of that. So then you build up all these protection mechanisms, mechanisms, that's not necessarily you and at the core, but what be the safest

thing for you. You know what I mean? Like I read something the other day about, it's like three steps of you and there's one, one of which you present who you present, then it's you and who you are to you and your family and friends. And then there's one, the part of you, the real you that no one ever gets to see. And I think just today and today's world, it's so vicious on social media, it's the media can really tell you apart.

And you build up, you make a mistake in something you say in the media and you're ridiculed, you never do it again. So you build up and you go more and more in your shell and you become harder for people to really relate to. But I think for me, whatever you've realized in these last few years is really peeling back those layers. And you know, letting people know that I grew up in a council state. I, you know, I've lived on the sofa with my, my, my parents. We've had those struggles.

Um, the successful people out there, you see, they too have had those things when we need to show that young kids who are going through that same thing that are like, if you can get there or they can get there, then it must be possible for me to. Yeah. And like, being shown your vulnerability, that's something that I really struggled to, to, to do for a long, long time. And like, today, that's something I think I'm a lot more open than I've ever been. I'm not living in fear every day. And that's like the most, that's the most empowering thing I think for me personally. I'm living a much happier life because I'm, I'm a lot more open.

Yeah. It's libering. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's libering when you finally feel like you're not trapped or hiding, or hiding, or hiding, or hiding. My favorite quote is from my Angelo, when she said, we all will powerful be on measure. And that really hit home also for me that's my favorite quote

because, and I have a tattooed, because really, we are so, we do limit ourselves, we get in our own way, right? Along with the other things that get in our way, but a lot of our fear stops us from driving forwards, from progressing. And that's why I like, I do the craziest things. I jump out of planes. Yeah, you've done what 80 jumps. Yeah, I just, I love challenging myself and doing things even though this may be fear there, but overcoming that fear is like, it's the best feeling when you overcome it. And you realize that she was all just a bunch

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As a kid, I was just never, you know, I think if you go on a ski slope and you see this kids coming by, the kids are generally feel-ups, right? But I think as you go get older, you start hurt yourself a little bit, you start protecting yourself more and more, but I just don't have that. I think I feel like that was something that just wasn't necessarily put in me. I'm terrified of spiders. That's the only thing. But when I'm doing 200 miles an hour, that's actually when I'm most at peace, I would say.

Yeah. So I come like flowing, that's my element. And that's why I like I love doing what I do. It's gonna be really, really hard when I stop racing. I've been doing it for 30 years. I'm 37, I've been racing 30 years. And when you stop, like what's gonna match that? Nothing's gonna ever probably have a match

being in the stadium or being at the race and being at the pinnacle of the sport, being at the front of the grid or coming through the grid, that motion that I get there. When I do stop, that will be a big hole. So I'm trying to generally focus on things, find things that are going to replace that that are also going to be just as rewarding. And that's like Mission 44 for me, meeting kids at schools, having these conversations with families and parents who clearly are going through difficult times that want to create the best opportunity for their kids, encouraging them to that. Okay, I've been there too. Look where I got. So you can get there. It's just going to work through it. That's for me,

that's way more rewarding than winning the race. Yeah. So much more. Yeah, that's, I'm so grateful. And I'm so happy that everyone's getting to hear this. I felt you're the only, and I know you're talking about when that happens, but it's brilliant that you're planning already because you can see how so many athletes, mentally, when they know their career has somewhat of a shelf life or a time span. Like, it's so hard, it's just completely work.

But I remember you're reminding me of when I had the fortune of sitting down with Kobe Bryant and I said, sat down with him when he'd already retired. And I interviewed him. So great. So jealous. He was one of those people that was not upset being retired. He loved it because he knew that his mission for him was to make

these short movies and make all these sports-based content to inspire kids to tell their stories and to help them find better stories. And so it's exactly what you're saying where he wasn't, he's one of those people that I've met. He was not sad about, he was so happy, he was so pumped. That's what I'm working towards. Yeah, because he knew that he had a mission and he had a purpose and he'd gone in one in Oscar for a short movie that he'd made and, you know, he was creating content to inspire kids and that's where his heart was. And of course, watching his daughter's play and so...

I'm super inspired by him, but you know. But yeah, like when you said that, that's what I remembered. And he was in the same boat. He was like, I always wanted to script fry, I never had time to script fry. But when you said that, that's what I remembered. And he was in the same boat. He was like, I always wanted to script bright. I never had time to script bright. He said, I was always playing basketball. And he goes, but then I started script writing

and I got a coach and then I was writing and getting better as a writer. Yeah, well, I think when I've spoken to other athletes, we've focused so much on that being the best you can be and that one thing, the other things that you also love. Like, if it's playing an instrument or if it's Writing scripts like they all fools everything fools away and yeah How can you compartmentalize staying in the in the zone in the focus lane

but also building up some of those other skills and Discovering other passions, you know people you've heard people tell LeBron, shut up and dribble, like, yeah. That's, there's a lot of people put you in the box and say, this, you can only do one thing, but as I've seen, and spoken to some people that are active and retired, a lot of them say, when, particularly when they retire,

that they, everything kind of fell apart, like everything fell to the ground, they had nothing to back it up with and they hadn't discovered what they're doing next. So then they go through this emotional journey of discovery, but it takes time. So I'm like trying to learn from those things and applying them and find the other things that I'm passionate about. So I generally feel today that I have lots of things in the pipeline that when I do stop, it's gonna be like so grateful, but I have something better than I'm moving on to.

Yeah. But I have no doubts that me and my dad will always have to go to the go-kart track or something, you know? I'm always gonna be competitive. I can't, that's literally a strain in my DNA that's just never gonna shift on, we're competitive at everything.

I'm happy to hear that. It's, I'm sure that's refreshing. It's great for people to also hear that, even to inspire young people or inspire anyone who's got to a place in their career where they know that there's a certain moment where things are gonna wind down, but then they're gonna transition. I think, I don't think we celebrate the transitions

enough in life, and life is made up of transition. Absolutely, and people think that it's maybe less or something, but it's not about that. we celebrate the transitions enough in life and life is made up of transition. Absolutely. And people think that it's maybe less or something, but it's not about that. Yeah, exactly. So it's fascinating. You found that what are some of these, like you said, like, I'm doing jumps, but in this with my friends, what are some of the routines that you've put into place to help you manage your mindset?

Because I feel like you said that being a 200 miles per hour for the duration of a race is like being in flow for you. That means you're extremely comfortable with your own thoughts, extremely comfortable with being in a high stress, high pressure environment, but being just with your own self, talk to us about how you, I mean, it sounds like that's always been the case, but what have you done to become more and more comfortable with that? Yeah, I think naturally there sounds like that's always been the case, but what have you done to become more and more comfortable with that?

Yeah, I think naturally there's a natural ability, right? But I've been out to focus for an hour and 45 minutes without making mistakes. And that's literally insane. It's unbelievable. Did him with the pressures. A friend that she asked me last night, because I talk about, we lose a lot of race,

a lot of weight in the race. Yes. Like sometimes you can lose up to 10 pounds, like four kilos. And people are like, wow, I need to be a race, particularly in America. They're like, oh, I need to be a race driver for the weight loss. But with these questions, my friend asked me the other day, they're like, where does the weight go? Like, yeah.

Because my suit doesn't, because afterwards I weigh less. But I'm like, so it must have evaporated somewhere. So I'm glad I got to figure out where all that weight actually truly goes. Because obviously it isn't in sweat. But that's like messed so it must have evaporated somewhere. So I'm not going to figure out where all that weight actually truly goes, because obviously it isn't sweat, but that's like messed my mind up out. But the suit definitely is obviously a little bit heavier. But it's about gaining tools. And I think when I was younger, I knew

how to arrive at the race. I channeled the so-it-that-this emotion that I had through whatever those difficulties were into my driving. So it's laser-focused. Like, if you watch a video for me when I was five years old and blue piece at U.C. I'm just laser focused but Being out of control emotions being out to be calm and present Staying centered there loads of Obviously different methods that people can use the things that I So things that I've started to incorporate over the years,

more in my life, things like stretching, things like yoga and meditation has been a real, that for me was something that, I never thought that I kind of turned a blind eye to it when I was younger, I thought that's not gonna be helpful. But being able to sit still for a second and listen to the noises around you and understand you want to tap into that kind of in a child or whatever it may be. That's for me, taking that moment for yourself each day, treating yourself with love and being

kind to yourself, you know, because I think for a long time I wasn't kind to myself. And that's been a process. Doing things that being purposeful and having real set intentions each day, no matter how big or small, and you know, I wake up and I'm looking at the mirror, I brush in your teeth, then stop for a second, say, today's going to be the day, today's going to be great. Today's gonna be great. And no matter what you're faced with, you know, just whatever you come out with. Yeah, talking to yourself. Also speaking to people,

I think is very important. I think as a kid, as I said, I didn't feel like it could speak to people. I didn't feel like I could tell my mom about these experiences. I felt embarrassed to tell my dad. So I thought he would feel, think less of me. Couldn't talk to any of the teachers, couldn't tell my dad. So I thought he would feel, think less of me.

Couldn't talk to any of the teachers, couldn't tell most of my friends, most of them weren't particularly of color. So, but learning to be open and speak to people, find someone to speak to, whether it's a therapist, whatever, that's been a huge help. I don't necessarily have a therapist as such,

but so on that I mean to then just have shoot a shit with basically. And confide in trust. Like trust has been something that I've never had. I didn't trust anybody through those experiences that had as a kid. And it's been very, very hard to build trust for people. But creating allies, finding things that are that you haven't common with people like my boss, for example, him and I just

breaking each other down and then just having, realizing that was similar in many, many ways, but also very different. But that's not what should divide us. We can then be allies. And so that's why we're working on being the most diverse team. We're working on pushing, we have, we've started a night, which is about getting, you know, improving that pipeline of intomotors for people from, on the self-communities. And there's so much work to do.

You're doing it, though, man. I'm trying to. I'm trying to, you know, to the point you were asking earlier, like, has, has enough been done. Absolutely not. In the industry, yeah, it's been like, you don't feel that. Yeah, and it's not only in other industries, it's everywhere.

And is that your goal to sort in the industry and then expand out, or you're starting, you're starting across the board anyway? Yeah, yeah. Well, with the team, where we started an organization, which could ignite,

which we both fund, and that is focused on the sport, mode of sport in general. But Mission 44 is focused on a much, you know, societal challenges and barriers and education. And that's not focused in the UK at the moment, but I want to bring that over to the States. Absolutely. You know, hopefully by at least 2024. Also, just been to Africa. And there it's so much beauty there. And I really, really want to have an impact, you know, really want to help there as well. So, yeah, we will continue to expand. But we're one of the, one of the few black founding nonprofit organizations in UK. And with Black Sea, for example, a

very diverse group of people. And just having those conversations with people of just what a diverse workforce means and how that bent can benefit you when you have people from different backgrounds all coming out with a diverse thought and creation. That's how you have more success. Yeah, it's a no-brainer when you hear. And you're just like, wow, that makes so much sense and creativity's better. And you'd be able to come up with

far more innovative ideas and you've got so many more cultures now being celebrated involved. And I feel like it's interesting to me that the world hasn't caught on with that yet. Like it's interesting that even despite they're being progressed, there's not enough progress. But what is the block? Like what is the stop?

Is it a mindset? Is it just habits and laziness? Like what is the actual, like if you got the core of it from everyone you've been speaking to, like what is the issue? Is the issue that, yeah, is the issue just laziness and just, oh, this is the way things have always been? Or is there actually like a set up?

I don't have the answer to it. I I Asked that question all the time and I come up lots of different theories in my mind Sometimes I'm like maybe people don't just don't care Maybe people's problems are so big that they don't have time to focus on other things And it's hard enough just to do the thing that you're focused on or just overcoming the issue that you'll get overcoming. So how am I going to have more time to speak about these things?

Why should I take the risk and risk my next step? And so I feel like it's about learning to be selfless, right? And which is difficult to do if you're not being loving yourself and not in a good place. So I think it all comes to us at hopefully a certain point in our lives. But also, we live in a time where social media is so, it's such a dangerous, it's such a powerful tool, but it's also can be so dangerous and so dividing.

And I see people out there today today and there's people that I admire that I'm that I would follow and I'd be like how are they projecting something that's not necessarily helpful for you for people out there. How are they projecting they're not using this platform to be more inspirational or be more positive and there there's loads of that are, but then I don't you can't judge you. So that's their journey. Well, you can continue to do is try to, you know, with that my Angela quote is about being shining your light as bright as you can possibly get it and hope that by doing it, you, I think you ultimately encourage the people around you to want to do the same. And I never truly understood that till I see the team that I work with,

how we all inspire each other, how we've this year, for example, we've had the 2022, has been one of the hottest years for us as a team. As we didn't build a great car and we had our struggles as many people do and how we've had to all come closer. And the relationship I've had with people that I've worked with this team for 10 years, and this conversation has had this year, people have opened up like they've never opened up before, people have cried. Like it's been, it's been beautiful to see. Yeah. And I feel like with some, a far better team than we've ever been before because we're

living with intention. We're actually talking about impact. Every one in the team is going to have diversity inclusion training. No one's been kind of like I'm not going through that class. Why do I have to go and learn what diversity and inclusion is about? I'm why it doesn't impact me. Now people like I understand it doesn't, I wouldn't necessarily notice it, but I want to understand it more so I can be better in my work and environment. I wouldn't necessarily notice it, but I want to understand it more so I can be better in my work and environment. It's been unbelievable. That's amazing.

Also leaders within our sport are now, and we are on a road to being a more diverse and more inclusive sport, but I think my job's to continuously make sure that that's the effort that we put in now doesn't kind of fall away and become kind of, just because it was trending. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is actually something that's on the top of the list. Sustainability is on the top of our list. And that real true core values,

we don't go out of our way, because a lot of people, it's very easy to kind of be led by money, success, but making sure you stick to your core values is so true. It goes back to what you said, though, that's what real leaders do. Leaders don't follow what's trending. Leaders are focused on transformation and then they're dedicated to transformation and they're going to keep doing it until they see a change, whereas followers follow trends. It's not trending now, it doesn they see a change, whereas followers follow trends. And it's not trending now, it doesn't matter, we'll focus on something else.

But, you know, obviously it's so clear, just listening to you today and it's amazing because, and that's what I'm so glad I've had this opportunity to talk to you because I can hear just how deeply dedicated you are to this and how it's at your core. It's like, everything that comes out of your pause today is just, you know, which is really special to see a value being embodied. Like to empower other people, you have to embody the value first. It doesn't just, you don't just go around empowering people.

And so, to hear how your soul and heart is like completely a sponge for this stuff and then to wanting to go and share it with the world, it's really remarkable, man. Yeah, thank you. Well, I mean, I'm by far perfect. No, yeah, no. And I think that's, like it's not about being perfect.

It's about just every day one step at a time trying to be better, trying to do more. Yeah. And I'm learning a lot about myself, I have to break myself down in order to be out to be better. And... What do you mean by breaking yourself down? I had to break myself down in order to be able to be better. What do you mean by breaking yourself down? Well, just when I told you about all those barriers you put up and I'm trying to protect yourself and then knocking those barriers down.

Yes. And it's enabled me to connect with more people. It's enabled me to realize my place in the world. And I don't feel like I don't belong anymore. I feel like I've got a place and I've got a purpose. And I think a lot of people are struggling to find that purpose, but it's okay, you will find it. Do not give up.

Keep getting up, you know, like just keep saying those things to yourself and you will eventually find it. And, you know, you're already living in your purpose and having such a huge impact on so many people, telling stories, which is amazing to see. I started this production company, inspired by Kobe and so many out there, but stories for me, storytelling, I watch a lot of movies that I know about you, but.

Yeah, I love movies. Especially sports movies. Yeah, like when I go home, I'll like, I, you know, order takeaway or make myself and some pasta or something like that. And then I put the plate in front of me and I can't eat till I found something to watch. Yeah. Like my escape is watching the movie and I always like to find something hopefully inspiring.

Yes. But the reason I created this production company is because, you know, until recently, we didn't have any people of color as superheroes. We think the story's storytelling is so, so important for people out there for inspiring people. And I want to make sure that, and in everything that I do, every project that I work on, is with a diverse workforce. Like, I'm doing this for one movie with Brad Pitt and Joe Kaczynski. But my job is to make sure that it's diverse behind the camera as it is on screen. The story is empowering and uplifting. It's not there's no BS in terms of the racing and hopefully one kid will watch it and it's more and feel empowered to go and do something great.

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Absolutely, I love that man. I'm so glad you're doing that because when you said do I like movies, the movie that came to but when you watch the movie as well, it's unbelievable to see what Jesse Owens did, like to think that he had to go. I can't even imagine. I can't, you know, you just can't imagine. If everyone's not seeing the movie, you have to go see the movie. You have to. It's just one of those movies that's like,

how do you do that? Like how do you go and race in Nazi Germany? Like I have no one. I must have been terrifying. Terrifying. And you know, there's so many great stories like that that are out there that need telling, um, continuously telling. Yeah, 42 is another one.

Yeah, 42 is awesome. Yeah, 42 is such a great one. Um, but yeah, there are these, these really unique people out there. I think for me, being in this sport, being the only one and being the first is that is, that has been lonely. And that has been a really difficult thing to understand and through my life. And there are many, many people like Jesse, for example, being the first only at the time.

I've taken huge inspiration from him. Nelson Mandela was like, he's one of my biggest inspirations. It was so fortunate to get to meet him when I was like 23 or something. Oh, wow. What was that like? Yeah. Oh, it was mind blowing. I mean, when you then I got to phone one and you have the success, all these things come and you don't even, you've dreamed of being a racing driver, but you didn't dream that all the other things of all the other things that come along.

Like meeting other unbelievable people. I went to Nelson Mandela's 90th birthday in London, and I was sat on his table in this huge room full of like Bill Clinton was there, Denzel Washington was there, open wind fruits sat right next to me, like all these people that you would never, ever in the million years dream of think you would ever get to meet. And then you discover, and they're also just human beings with feelings and with emotions and with their own challenges But I was so young at the time it was I don't even recognize myself when I look back at me seven years ago I See a shell of me and I think I look today and see myself and know myself so much more. And that's, again, that's an empowering experience to be in. But I went into the room and met him

and he sat this chair. And it was like walking into, I was like, God, or like a king, you know, and he silk shirt was his aura was something you could see his aura, his smile, his beaming. That was probably the most impactful day for me as a youngster. Wow. Luis, it's unbelievable talking to you. I mean, what you've achieved on the track, after track, and now I'm even more excited to see you continue to achieve as your journey continues because I'm going to say this and I don't say this often and I genuinely, my team can vouch for in everyone else can listen back to any episode.

I think you're one of the most on-purpose people I've ever interviewed. I appreciate that. I genuinely like, there's nothing else that comes from your being apart from what your purpose currently is with Mission 44. And it's really remarkable to meet someone who's so on purpose. I genuinely don't have that experience. And the only person you reminded me of was Kobe. He had it too.

When I was around him, there was nothing else. It wasn't like he missed anything. He was at peace. It was peace with purpose. And you have that same aura and spirit from at least my experience. Thank you so much. So kind of you. Yeah, and I really mean that. I really mean that. It's incredible. So we end every episode with a fast five, which means every question has to be answered in one word to one sentence, maximum. Okay.

And we ask these same questions to every guest that's ever been on the show. I should be prepared for that because I've seen you. Well, not the first question is, what's the best advice you've ever heard or received? I think it was literally my dad never give up. That's been like the slow-run in the back of my mind every single day. The other one would be just that you will always be learning. And that's what I learned from Nussman Dele. He was like, I'm 90 and I'm still learning today. And I was like, what can you tell me? It's like, I'm still learning today. And it's okay to be learning.

You're always gonna be learning something new and growing. So. Wow. That's beautiful. I learned it. Well, but like, that was pretty basic. No, but it's not. It's powerful knowing he said that.

Yeah. As in the fact that he said that on his 90th birthday. And that is powerful because it's kind of like Yeah, it's like a lot of people I feel like A lot of people feel by 90 especially him He has so much wisdom to share Yeah, but the fact that his wisdom was I'm just learning that Yeah, I'm still learning that's pretty cool

All right, second question now What's the worst advice you ever heard or received? Give up It's just the opposite, yeah Yeah, literally the worst bit of advice And it wasn't, I mean it wasn't necessarily advice ever had or received. Give up. The opposite. Yeah. Yeah, literally the worst bit of a vice. And it wasn't, I mean, it wasn't necessarily a vice. But when I was younger, there was other parents

of other racing drivers I was racing against. I remember this one guy and he's like, there's you just, you just don't have it. You should just give up. Their parents were saying, the parents, the grown man in these 40s or 50s, told me that. And I was eight.

Told you. Told me, yeah, to my face. And I remember just being so, So growing man in these 40s or 50s told me that and I was eight. Told you. Yeah, to my face. And I remember just being so like, what am I supposed to do with that? What do you mean? Give up. What was the reason? I would imagine because I was beating his kid.

Maybe I don't know. I never really thought of what the reason would be. And it's same with teachers, you know. What is this crap? You know, you're terrible at this. You're never going to go to the next set. You're never going to amount to anything. And why are you even here?

How the parent, how the teacher tell me that. And it broke me down so much. Question number three, how do you deal with loss and how do you deal with the win? I think success is, as I mentioned earlier, short-lived success is there's a lot less learned in success. It's like the tip of the iceberg. It's the losses and it's the failures and it's the continuously, just the perseverance that you need that you need to do.

I love that image of the iceberg where you see the sea level and the iceberg on the top that everyone sees, but below is what people don't get to see in this relevant for every single person out there. It's finding your core, it's letting yourself and it's relevant for every single person out there. It's finding your core, it's letting yourself know it's okay to feel the pain, it's okay to accept that your failure is and you know, put it on your... it's like it's just another notch on your belt that is going to make you stronger and just knowing that is the case. I've failed so many more times and I've succeeded so many more and that people don't even know maybe necessarily about or see. And still

today I'm making those mistakes or making mistakes. But I know that that's a part of the journey. That's what I'm then harnessing and that's what's making me stronger. All right, question number four, five, What's something that you thought you valued, but you don't value anymore? Your material stuff. At some stage in your life, you realize they're not important. And we live in such a materialistic world. So learning to detach yourself from that

and know that it's moments with special people, it's moments with your family, with your loved ones, with your friends that are what you get to take, with your loved ones, with your friends, that are what you get to take with you when you stop. When life comes to an end, I truly believe that it's those memories that, or what memories of you also, which lingers not what you had, or what you were able to attain. So I think that was something that took me a long time to learn. And whilst I still have things, I don't have, I've actually tried to unclutter my life because I remember my dad used to call me into the garage and used to go through all the crap that he would keep. I don't know if your parents do the same thing.

Geez, I remember he used to call me and it was the worst day ever when I'd say that help him clean out the garage. But we hold on to so many things right? So just decluttering your life making it more simple That's why I like I love to go and surfing that's like the most tranquil kind of thing that I get to do sit in the ocean and sometimes just sit and Ponder about life what I'm gonna do next and

That's my getaway. I think people have to find that balance of work because if you just work, work, work, work, and you don't replenish your energy with positive things, then you will just continue to be breaking yourself down. So I try and find that balance. I think everyone needs to do that. Yeah, that's beautiful. So things skydiving, those are yours. Fifth and final question.

If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be? Only crap. The one of the things that I'm like, I struggle with every day is, and it's just how life is and it's been the way for thousands of years, that there is such a disparity between wealthy and the poor. And you know, you still, when you drive around L.A., there's still so many people living on the streets. You shouldn't be able to have billions, right? I think there should be a limit to how much you can have because there's enough to go around to everyone. So somehow creating a law that creates more equality,

yeah, and equal access to everyone, you know. I don't know how that you would implement that law. That's all good. But like, geez man, I've met kids that are starving. Yeah, same. And you think, oh god, like, how are we, we are so, so lucky so many of us knowing that and not taking advantage of your everyday is so, so important. It does.

What law would you change? It does. No, I think that's beautiful. I mean, we've... Yeah, I mean, now you've visited me. Is that so? I see. That's who you did there. If I had to create a law in the world that everyone had to follow, this is at least my today answer and maybe it would change as well,

is it kind of, and it's inspired by what we're talking about, I think I wish at school the law was that every child had to learn about emotional mastery to understand how to understand other people's emotions and understand their emotions and take that into consideration when making decisions. And if every child was given that exposure to emotional mastery, then people would just have tools of how to deal with their own pain and someone else's pain and how to deal with when your parents are going through pain because I feel like pain is the issue we have any pain today.

That's so good, man. I told you not to come out with something. No, that was inspired by you. You're so right. It's inspired by you. It's going back to education. That's why, like, when you go to school, you don't learn all the, this, this, they don't I was already aware of it. No, that was inspired by you. You're so right. You're so inspired by you. It's going back to education. That's why when you go to school, you don't learn all the, they don't prepare you enough for what's to come. Not at all.

And that's tapping into mental health as you mentioned. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, and that's kind of where my purpose is, right? Like, my purpose is that feeling of, you know, when I went on, lived as a monk, that's where I got exposed to emotional mastery. Like, that was the goal of what monk training was about.

And I was 21, 22 when I did that. Wow. That's still young. There's a lot about you, yeah. Yeah, but it was kind of like a fascination that I had. I was just like, well, if I can't understand my mind then how can you live life? Like that, that, so anyway, it comes from,

but it comes from what you're saying, that the education that needs to happen at a younger level. So Lewis, it has been such an honor and a pleasure talking today, my man. It's a huge responsibility that you've taken on for yourself, for the world. And I don't think there could be anyone better doing it. And I really, really hope that any help that I can offer, any help that my community can offer, please know that we're right here with you. Thank you. Right behind you. Thank you so much.

Thank you so much. Our on purpose community, I know we'd love to get behind anything that we can. Yeah, I do. I'm so, I'm so, so grateful for the time you're giving me today. Yeah. And again, for like what you, what you do, because you're having such a positive impact on so many people, including me, you know, so when you perhaps don't realize it, you're having such a big impact. And I'm so grateful to you for that, mate.

Thank you, and it means the world coming from you, honestly. Thank you. Everyone who's been listening and watching today, make sure you go get educated about Mission 44, about the Hamilton Commission, really incredible initiatives that Lewis started that are leading the way to make sure that diversity and inclusion are taken more seriously across all industries, which I think we would all agree with. And to anyone else who's watching or listening, make sure you tag Lewis and I on social media with your biggest insights. There were so many words of wisdom that Lewis shared. I want to know which things stuck out to you, which things made a difference in your mind

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