On Purpose with Jay Shetty - Lilly Singh: ON Why She Took A Break From YouTube

Episode Date: March 4, 2019

You can order my new book 8 RULES OF LOVE at 8rulesoflove.com or at a retail store near you. You can also get the chance to see me live on my first ever world tour. This is a 90 minute interactive sho...w where I will take you on a journey of finding, keeping and even letting go of love. Head to jayshettytour.com and find out if I'll be in a city near you. Thank you so much for all your support - I hope to see you soon.Being a YouTube creator can be difficult for anyone, but Lilly Singh really is superwoman. Despite the success, things haven’t always been easy for Lilly. She opens up about everything: how it feels when being called a role model, her relationships both personal and professional, even her struggles with depression and defining what success looks like in her life. Today’s conversation is a deep dive into what drives her to keep creating at such a prolific level and why she’s determined to keep using her influence for positive social change.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:05 around girl power. Please welcome to the show, my good friend and someone I can't wait for you to connect with Lily Singh. I am so excited to be talking to you today. I can't believe it. My new book, Eight Rules of Love, is out and I cannot wait to share it with you. I am so, so excited for you to read this book,
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Starting point is 00:03:55 Love rules. Go to jsheddytour.com to learn more information about tickets, VIP experiences, and more. I can't wait to see you this year. I am genuinely so excited and grateful to introduce this next guest to you. She's a multi-faceted comedian, entertainer, and actress, and the founder of Girl Love. She's actually won pretty much every award I can think of.
Starting point is 00:04:21 Sometimes I think she doesn't need an introduction, but I want to share a bit more about her. She's collaborated with everyone from the rock to Bill Gates to Will Smith to Selena Gomez. The list goes on and on and on. She's launched her own book. She's launched her merchandise. She's launched an incredible show and now her production company. Her name is none other than Lily Singh, aka Superwoman. And beyond all these incredible achievements, she's someone that I've admired and watched
Starting point is 00:04:49 from a distance for so very long, been a fan and a follower. But she's so genuine, so down to earth, such an incredible energy to be around. And I can't wait for you to experience this amazing human. Lily, thank you for being here. How much did my publicists pay you to say all of those things? That wonderful.
Starting point is 00:05:06 Quite a lot, quite a lot actually. Yeah, so I'm the best introvert. I'm so happy to be here. And the feeling so mutual, J is phenomenal. And I would be the world's the right here right now with you. You're the sweetest, you're the sweetest. And I genuinely feel this, like when I was looking through your bio, when you look at everything you've achieved,
Starting point is 00:05:22 and I know you've worked incredibly hard for it, and I know it hasn't come freely, cheaply, or by luck, it's been so much hard work from your side. But I wanna ask you, out of all your successes, all your achievements, what's been the most meaningful thing for you? Woo, that's a tough question. Besides this moment right here, sitting with you.
Starting point is 00:05:39 Hahaha. Um, this, you know, I used to be embarrassed with this answer, but I've decided I'm now deciding I'm not embarrassed by this answer. This is my answer, okay. My answer is collaborating with the rock. That is honest, and I know that seems kind of like surface level basic, but I'll tell you why.
Starting point is 00:05:54 When I was younger, he was my biggest inspiration. Like I wish I could take you back to little Lily's bedroom with posters of the rock all over my first email address was the rock 85. And I'm gonna call him, just obsessed on the announcements when they'd call my name in elementary school. They say Lily the rock saying like literally it was an obsession. So they always say don't meet your idols because they might not be who you want them to be. He is so incredible and not only getting to work with him and meet him, but just having him as a mentor who kind of like guides me and gives me a good advice. It's been a dream come true to know that this person
Starting point is 00:06:27 I looked up to for so long is such a great human being. So that's really important. And I think that's a beautiful answer. I don't judge you for a tour. I think it's incredible when your 15 year old self would high five you for something, right? Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. And it's not only the vanity of like,
Starting point is 00:06:40 he's so cool and famous and the rock, and he's so hot, he's very hot. But it's also just like, oh, this person has proven to you that you can work really hard, and be really successful, really rich, really famous, really nice. And I think that's the greatest lesson you taught me, is you can still be a good person, even if you have all those things. And you've built a real relationship, yes. Like, that's the most special thing too.
Starting point is 00:07:01 I feel like it's not just... Yeah, Michael is just to build enough of a relationship with him where in our next life we get married. So I'm really trying to like, pave that foundation. I love it. It seems to be going well. I mean, yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:12 I feel good about it. I love it. I used to be a huge rock fan too. I remember reading his autobiography. Used to be. He used to be. He used to list. Yeah, still is.
Starting point is 00:07:19 I mean, like, when I was 15, 16, I remember reading his autobiography and just being blown away. Oh yeah, I had it too, I wrapped it in surround wrap. You did, okay, I didn't go that far. But I remember being one of, it was one of the first books I actually read. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:31 And it was just, and I only read it because I was so into wrestling and I was like, wow, let me get this book and it was just mind blowing. I couldn't believe it that there was so much to someone that I just was in wrestling. Mm-hmm, 100%. Amazing, we love you the right.
Starting point is 00:07:42 We love you, this is why I'm here. Yeah, this is why this podcast is dedicated to the Revoc. That's right, that's right. No, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say,
Starting point is 00:07:58 I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, Lillian side, me going, oh my God, I can't believe you're doing that. I never want to be in the position of life where things don't excite me or make me nervous. People ask me all the time, are you still nervous before you go on stage or are you still nervous to shoot
Starting point is 00:08:12 with this person or meet with this person? I hope for as long as possible, my answer can be yes. Because if it's not, then like, what's the point? I want to be nervous and excited. Talk to you. There's a challenge of life disappearing, you know? Yeah, I love that. I was so nervous when we came to film the collab of a Christmas, you know? Yeah, I love that.
Starting point is 00:08:25 I was so nervous when we came to film the collab of a Christmas movie. Oh, no, I was so nervous. I was so nervous. I was so nervous. I was like, I've loved you for so long of watching video videos for so long. Like, you're a pro.
Starting point is 00:08:34 Oh my God. And I was just like literally. Jake and my house and literally did 100 times better than me and was 100 times more professional. That's what happened. True. But no, I believe in that as well. Like, even now when I'm speaking, and I've keynotings been probably the biggest part
Starting point is 00:08:46 of my life for the last 13 years. And every time I go on stage, like someone would say to me, I'll you know something, yes, I'm nervous. I totally get what you're saying. I mean, you care. I never want to stop caring. If I'm not super nervous,
Starting point is 00:08:55 that means I don't care about the outcome. And I always want to care about the outcome. I love that. And I completely agree with you. Totally aligned. I wanted to go back a bit. Back to the same person, where I was a monk. You are a monk, and I am a monk.
Starting point is 00:09:08 We're the same level of walkeness. That's what, well, I really want you to take away from this. I, yeah, I want everyone to talk to me. I agree. But Jay came to my house and did a B2K move. He kept doing this weird thing with his hands and like, weird. Why do you keep doing this?
Starting point is 00:09:22 I'm doing cool. Sorry, we went, brrrr, you kept doing this cool thing with his hands. And I was like, what are you doing? Can you just do it again for a second? No, I can't do it with a mic in front of me. It's harder. It's an excuse. It gets to me.
Starting point is 00:09:33 And then he's like, it's a B2K movement. I'm like, we're gonna, we're best friends. Yeah, Anderson Sins and so many other things. Yeah, anyway, anyway, anyway, yeah, back to you. Back to you. I want to go back because I know you've talked about this. I've had you talk about it in different places. I think it's important for us to do
Starting point is 00:09:47 seeing as we both share agent parents. I wanna talk about your relationship with your parents and how that has evolved over the years of seeing you start doing something that was obviously not something that agent parents wish their kids to do. Oh yeah, no, they were thrilled. Yeah, to now them being famous from it.
Starting point is 00:10:03 Right. Well, I mean, when I first told my, I always say, I'm very fortunate because when I first told my parents I wanna make YouTube videos, they just didn't understand what I meant. You know, they were like, no, there's no way, you're not allowed.
Starting point is 00:10:16 They didn't give me the typical answer of what will people think, which is generally what Asian people say. Sure. They were just confused. They're like, what do you mean? And I said, there's a cycle of YouTube and making videos, give me a year.
Starting point is 00:10:27 They said you have a year to try this out. It doesn't work. We want you to go to graduate school but you have a year. So that gave me a countdown to really just teach myself how to edit, teach myself how to use a camera. I have a green site,
Starting point is 00:10:38 so I didn't have any of this stuff. Truly, I researched, figured out how to edit on eye movie. Like, I was made a tripod out of books, did all the things. Fortunately, it went somewhere. And so my parents are very supportive now today because it went somewhere. But I've always said, my parents never said no
Starting point is 00:10:54 to me doing this. And that's a really big deal. Because it's scary. Now, I always, parents just want to make sure you're gonna be okay. You know, when I was younger, I was like, my parents just don't want me happy. That's what they say, no,
Starting point is 00:11:05 but no, when you've helped me realize, your parents just want you to be okay. They want to know that we came to this country. I want to make sure she's gonna have a good living and be financially stable. And that's all they're concerned about, really. And once they saw that I could be, they were like, okay, we can stop stressing out about this.
Starting point is 00:11:22 Yeah, I love that. And we need more parents to be that way, I guess. Yeah. I love the idea of them just giving you a window. And I think it's, I honestly think it stop stressing out about this. Yeah, I love that. And we need more parents to be that way, I guess. Yeah. I love the idea of them just giving you a way to. And I think it's, I honestly think it goes two ways though. And I think this has come with age, like I said, really putting yourself in your parents' shoes
Starting point is 00:11:34 is something that I learned, especially when I moved to LA. You know, I was the first person in my family to move to another country for work. It's not because I got married, it was for work. And so that was a really big deal, especially as an Indian woman, a huge, huge deal. And the more I had to, the more I grew up in the more
Starting point is 00:11:50 I moved away from my family, I realized why they do the things they do, why they say the things they do, and why they think the way they think. And it's, they're from a different time and place and they're honestly trying their best. And they've done a great job. So when every time we do have a little bit of friction,
Starting point is 00:12:02 I have to remember that this is all very different from what you were used to So I get why me making videos on the internet is scary like I have to accept that, you know You're so woke. I try. See here we go This is I mean what you're saying is so beautiful. There's there's an amazing statement that I remember I can't remember where it's from but it's The day you realize your parents are right your kids are telling you that you're wrong You have kids you're gonna see and. No, you're kind of sad. And my mom always said that to me. Oh, really? So you have kids. You're good to see.
Starting point is 00:12:27 And now I have a dog. So I get it because sometimes I'll be arguing with him and he's telling me things. And I'm like, oh my god, my mom was right about this. So I get it. No, but I love that refreshing perspective. I think your spot on as well. Like I was very fortunate.
Starting point is 00:12:37 My parents have always been extremely open to every one of my decisions, even when I took what becoming a monk and the people were like, well, your parents not just, and I was like, actually they weren't. It was just like, make sure you take care of your health and make sure you take care of yourself. It was so much more open than you'd believe.
Starting point is 00:12:53 And you're right, when you grow up, you start valuing that. No, 100%. Thank you for that lesson. Of course, of course. You're welcome. You're like dropping lessons here now. And I think anytime I talk about my parents,
Starting point is 00:13:03 like always without a doubt, get people commenting, being like, well, my parents just don't get it. My parents would never support it. And I don't want to sit here and pretend like I know everyone's parents are in no-use situation. They're very well maybe a situation where the reality of the situation is maybe, yeah, sometimes the people closest to you can be toxic for your life.
Starting point is 00:13:21 I'm very aware of that reality. But I do think it's worth that effort and that genuine effort to really get to understand why your parents are the way they are, I think it really helps you understand yourself as well. I love that. I really do think that. So I'm not encouraging anyone to be in a situation
Starting point is 00:13:37 that's toxic to them, but I just know when I recall from my teenage years, I used to write off things as toxic all the time, be like, they just don't get it without actually even trying to understand. Put yourself in that shoes before. or whenever I recall from my teenage years, I used to write off things as toxic all the time, be like, they just don't get it, without actually even trying to understand. Put yourself in their shoes before you write it off. That's great advice, I love that.
Starting point is 00:13:51 I love that, and I guess it's so much more healing and liberating too to do it that way around. Rob is gonna just be like, everyone hates me. Exactly. That my parents hate me, like, yeah. Whatever you say is true. I've always said you can build your universe so if you say everyone hates me, then yeah, I've been hates you.
Starting point is 00:14:04 Yeah. You know, that is what it is. How did you get so wise? You know, Tumblr quotes. No, I've had many opportunities and life to dive deep into my soul. So I think I've done that several times. Yeah. Tell me about some of that.
Starting point is 00:14:20 Yeah, I think. I think, you know, the reason I started making YouTube videos in 2010 was because I was a very sad person. I was at the end of my university career, I was getting a psych degree. I didn't like what I was doing in school. My whole life, I was believed, like I was taught to, okay, you're gonna go to university, then you're gonna get out of university, you might go to graduate school, you're making a job,
Starting point is 00:14:38 then you'll get married, then you'll have kids, and I just couldn't grasp that very linear way of living. And so, when I was at the end of my university career, I was like, oh, well, I'm not ready to do any of those things. And I actually have no idea what I want to do. And so I was in a very dark, just sad place. And so my career on YouTube was founded through me really digging inside myself and trying to find something that made me happy.
Starting point is 00:15:00 So the only reason I made YouTube videos was because I made happy, not because of views or money. That was the thing. It wasn't a nothing. It was literally to make myself happy Yeah, so and when I look at you and you can see there's like what's kept you going that long? Because that's the beauty of it right like then you did it to make you happy And I know that that's still a big part of your life today, but like what I admire right? You're the most is like you're still doing it and that's harder Yeah, I think you know
Starting point is 00:15:24 I've really analyzed what it is. Because if I'm really really honest, too much of anything isn't good. I've honestly learned that. I loved making YouTube videos. I still do. But then I got to a point in my life where I made so many and it became such a business and such an overbearing job
Starting point is 00:15:38 where I was like, it's not as fun. And I'm not enjoying it as much. And I think that happens to everyone when you're a passion and your job kind of collide like that. But I forgot where I was going because I had to go to stress. I was like, oh my God, my life is in jambles. But I think what it is is that why I've kept going for so long is I'm really obsessed with the idea of growth.
Starting point is 00:15:57 It's always been a thing. I really like challenging myself. I like growing. And so now that I've, you know, I did the eye movie thing. Now my life is kind of like, can I build a team? And you know how passionate I am about my team as well. And this, can I build a business now? Can I now increase my social good efforts?
Starting point is 00:16:11 It's always about just growing in some capacity. So I really think that this desire to not waste time and not waste opportunities and not waste this life is honestly what drives me. Because I know what it feels like to not like life. Yeah. So I don't want to go back to that place. I think it's awesome. No, it's so true. If you're not moving forward, you have to move backwards. Yeah. So it's that kind of
Starting point is 00:16:30 experience of like what he said. What you said is my answer. You gave him much better answer. I love your answer. You answer amazing. It's amazing because it's it's honest. Like when I'm hearing you, it's great to hear a creator say I stop loving creating it. So I shifted. Like it's amazing because it's honest. Like when I'm hearing you, it's great to hear a creator say, I stopped loving creating it so I shifted. Like it's amazing here. You being that vulnerable and honest and open and we are gonna get into that about, the reason Breakew took from YouTube
Starting point is 00:16:53 and everything like for me, I fell in love with you more when you said that. Like I was just like, that's so special for someone to say that. Like even me sometimes like, when I'm saying no to things that I say no to now, for before I say no, I have to just say, wait a minute, I would have died to get some tuning one day.
Starting point is 00:17:10 And I have to just be grateful before I say no, because it's like, if I just say no and I'm like, oh yeah, now it doesn't matter. It's like, you're losing that part of your life that once upon a time, this is what you wanted, right? Right, and it's such human nature. Yeah. I feel like so much of my job is recognizing human nature
Starting point is 00:17:26 and then developing habits that literally go against it. That's the prime example. Same with me, there's so many opportunities that come my way where I'm like, oh, I don't wanna do this. Or I don't wanna travel to this place. Before I would be like dying, the first person that ever hired me in Shnash was actually
Starting point is 00:17:43 London, first place that ever hired me in Shnash.. Yeah. First place that ever hired me in snatch. I was over the moon that someone who wanted me to travel. And now I hear myself being like, oh my God, a trip to some beautiful place that sounds exhausting. So I had to like stop myself to be like, whoa, you're being ungrateful. You need to put yourself back and get a gain a healthy perspective because human nature does allow us to get used to everything. You'll get used to everything. You take 100 trips to a vacation destination, you're going to be like,
Starting point is 00:18:08 I'm sick of it. Something you would have really died to do before. So I really think a lot of my job is just checking myself in those moments and being like, don't do this. Don't go to this natural pattern of just becoming ungrateful. Yeah. And for anyone listening and watching right now, that's an awesome tip. Like that's an awesome tip, awesome insight. I just, whenever you catch yourself, getting used to something, familiar to something, a person, a place, something happening in your life, whatever it may be, you just catch yourself.
Starting point is 00:18:33 Yeah. And just switch it. Catching yourself is half the battle. No one's perfect, but catching yourself, that's, that's what the real honesty comes in. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, just being aware. Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:18:42 And you were talking about social good, and I wanted to talk about that for a bit, because, and you've got to remember, like for me, this is an interesting interview, because even though we only met last year, for me, it's like, yeah, I've been watching you for so long. So it's a very, this is the best.
Starting point is 00:18:56 For me, that's an interesting point, because I've kind of been watching from a big distance. Like we didn't know any, we didn't have any friends in common, we haven't known each other. And I just was like, wow, like, she's using what she's doing for social good. And I thought, I would love that.
Starting point is 00:19:10 I was like, wow, like, you're using your platform for a higher purpose when you don't have to, whether it's girl love, whether it's unicef, like all the amazing work you've done. Tell me where that started, like, where did that come about in the whole Lilliesing Journey and World? And how did it become such an integral part? Yeah, you know, I, when I first started to realize that people are calling me
Starting point is 00:19:28 their role models, I remember I sat down with myself and I was like, interesting. People are calling me their role model. I don't, how do I feel about this? And I made a rule for myself that was, you will never do anything. That's not genuine to be perceived as a role model. That was a very big rule for my sanity. I was like, you can't, your job is so 24-7, you can't start being like,
Starting point is 00:19:49 I believe in this, this, this, this, to be a role model if you actually don't. So my rule has always been to be myself. Having said that when I garnered such a large audience and I understood that I had an influence, I was like, well, I have the opportunity to also do something positive with this. And I feel in my heart that if I don't do something positive with it,
Starting point is 00:20:05 it's just a waste of opportunity. Now, add that with the grudge on my shoulder from being an Indian woman. And you have this really large desire to help issues around gender equality. I think that's where my heart lies the most. A lot of my work is around girls being able to go to school and girls having equal rights in parts of the world and access to healthcare and all that stuff. That comes from the fact that, know when I was born a lot of people were unhappy with having an Indian girl Especially because I've older sisters so we're a family of two sisters and so many people were so sad at my birth
Starting point is 00:20:36 Literally, and so I've had that grudge on my shoulder and I know that quite Transparency like I can say that very honestly My whole life has kind of been a little bit of I'm going to prove you wrong and I'm going to and I always say don't work hard to prove people wrong, prove your lovers right. Instead I always believe in that. Having said that there's a lot of people suffering because girls are born and and so I do feel a strong passion in my heart to do something with the following I have. You know, I think that's, the greatest, when you go back to one of my greatest achievements, the one that's not as shiny as the rock is actually when I announced my world tour,
Starting point is 00:21:10 the first one, a trip to Unicorn Island, I may try to do it in India first. That was important for me to announce it in India, my parents' motherland. And I went to Punjab to visit my dad's dad, my grandfather, and he greeted me with like flower grounds and he says something to me where I was like, whoa, probably met him like three times in my life maybe.
Starting point is 00:21:30 And he goes, you know, I was wrong. You are the girl, the person and a girl in our family who has had the most success. And that was like a huge statement for him to make because I remember what it was like for my mom when I was born and so why did she talk to me. But yeah, so that was a really big achievement for me. That's huge.
Starting point is 00:21:48 Yeah, and I felt it for my mom and mom was like, that's right. You know? And so like, I have that force for my mom. Like, was like, no, I have a second daughter and like, she's gonna be awesome and she believed in me and I just hope I've done justice to that.
Starting point is 00:22:04 I think you've done so much more. I think it's amazing to see someone defy cultural traditions and someone who's, especially, I didn't realize that it was like somewhat closed off when you were born as well around the belief of having a girl at such a relief like blown down. No, but even me, like, I was just working on writing a script and that's when I really like dived into my childhood
Starting point is 00:22:23 and I was like, well, I had my wedding entrance song picked out before I knew what I wanted to do in life. Like, that's not who I am today, but as a young girl, that was true. And it just goes to show how much it was bedded in my mind that my optimal achievement would be getting married. You know what I mean? And so, and so I just don't want to continue that pattern.
Starting point is 00:22:44 So whatever I can do with my following to teach young girls that, you can't marry that's great, congratulations, that's fine, but that doesn't have to be your defining moment. You know what I mean, I think that's important. I agree. Tell me about some of the stories of the girls you worked
Starting point is 00:22:57 for then amazing things that have happened. Oh my God, I've, you know what? Every time I meet a young girl, I've had the opportunity to go to Sony parts of Africa, specifically in South Africa, Sony parts of India, and I meet these young girls, so I've had the opportunity to go to so many parts of Africa, specifically in South Africa, so many parts of India. And I meet these young girls and they tell me the stories, I'm like, whoa, you are way more powerful
Starting point is 00:23:12 and cool than I will ever be truly. Because they do some awesome, awesome stuff. I just met a girl recently who talked about the fact that in the community she lived in in South Africa, they didn't have a certain program in her school. And so she walked to whoever was in charge of this, I mean, forgive my lack of terminology, if whoever was in charge of whatever that school board was,
Starting point is 00:23:35 like 17 hours to go there. And then once she went there, they're like, yeah, we'll look into this case and we'll get back to you and they never did. So she walked back of like, there's girls doing amazing things in the world that I'm just blown away. And it's even more inspiring to me when I hear these stories. So I think if all of you had opportunities that we all have, like think about the space
Starting point is 00:23:59 the world would be in right now. All of these amazing people that don't have the resources and don't have the opportunity. It's just they need it. The world, I think how many cures we would have, how many more inventions we would have, how many solutions we would have, all those people with brilliant ideas were empowered with resources.
Starting point is 00:24:13 Especially because they've seen pain so fast. Oh, no, 100%. Right, yeah. I can agree with you more. That's a beautiful point. And that's, it's great that you're using your voice and platform and that they're getting a voice from it too. Yeah, that's honestly what I want to do.
Starting point is 00:24:24 It's not even about like, girl of being lily is the champ. It's the people who have the really good ideas. I wanna just lift their voices because I have the platform to do it. It's not about my ideas, it's not about my beliefs, it's not about me, it's really about just lifting the voices that don't have a platform. Absolutely, yeah, I interviewed one girl recently,
Starting point is 00:24:42 who actually doesn't even know her actual age because she escaped from a child slavery like space and We interviewed her on the podcast and I was just like blown away like you know being put into that terrible position and from day one Not knowing your age like never knowing who your real family are like not even having people to trust and actually not even knowing that you're in a Bad space and running you know Yeah, that's even knowing that you're in a bad space and running you know Yeah, that's real not even knowing you're in a bad space. Yeah, as you're not even knowing that that's bad because that has become your normal Right, right. It's crazy. But yeah, thank you for everything you're doing though
Starting point is 00:25:13 I mean, it's it's truly a team effort is truly it's not only myself and my team But it is very much so my following as well because I know that there's so many fan bases online that Really want entertainment really want to laugh my audience is like that, but they really care as well. Yeah. They really, anytime I do a campaign, whether it's a girl lover with Unicefer or with we, they are really behind it. And so my following is a lot to think as well.
Starting point is 00:25:37 Yeah, yeah. Thank you for having a track concert and amazing. Thank you so much. Yeah. Yeah. It's awesome. I absolutely love it. So I want to-
Starting point is 00:25:43 And also my poster is horrible. So if you're watching this, I apologize. Lily's being comfortable. I mean, comfortable. I'm a posture. Yeah. Can you help me fix that? What do you want to do?
Starting point is 00:25:53 Is there a way to meditate on posture? We can. We can talk about that. Okay, what's our way to do that? Yeah, we'll bring that in there. I'm going to try, you have great posture. Do it? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:00 Oh, thank you. I think it's all the ballet I did as a kid. Did you really? No. Absolutely. But my mom tried to get me into it at one point. I feel like it would be really great at that for some reason. That's why.
Starting point is 00:26:11 Yeah. Yeah, I don't think I'd be that good at it. Next video I did as a cumulist. Next video. But I want to talk to you about this, you know, recent announcement that you made around taking a break from YouTube. Fine, I'm going to take an anxious gulp of my drink. Do it.
Starting point is 00:26:23 Do it. I, when I saw you do that and I think I reached out to you and you did it. I was like, if there was extremely brave, I thought it was super sincere. It was really genuine, and I looked at it and I was just like, again, you're just being a real model, like, you know, being someone that people can look up to, to be able to do that. I can't imagine how hard that is to do. Like, it's so tough to be able to do that. And I wanna acknowledge that. Thank you, thank you.
Starting point is 00:26:47 I wanna recognize that. Yeah, it's so tough to just turn around and tell everyone that you're doing this for, that hey, I'm taking a break, because I wanna make content with better quality and stuff. I'm really excited about it. Like, at the way you explain to you, I was just like, this is so real.
Starting point is 00:26:59 And I think it's, we live in such a like, clickbait world of like, people can say anything on social to get clicks. And it's like, when I watched that, I was like, wow, she's been so real. Like it was just so real. And I really wanna acknowledge that and recognize that. Thank you, I appreciate that.
Starting point is 00:27:13 It was really difficult, especially, it was really difficult because of the obstacles and reasons I created in my own mind. My whole brand is also harder, productivity every day, do as many things as you can. and I believe I believe in working really hard So for me to then turn around and be like I'm gonna take a break and not work hard was very difficult Not just from a public standpoint but for even me because there was a voice inside me that was like Is this because you're lazy or is this because you're making excuses and I had to really learn
Starting point is 00:27:43 As I talked to earlier the word balance. I had to understand and I had to really learn, as I talked to you earlier, the word balance. I had to understand, I think it really hit me hard before that break was, I'm not being the best version of myself because I haven't given myself that little bit of balance I need. And so actually if I want to hustle harder, I need to take this break. That was the biggest moment of clarity for me.
Starting point is 00:28:00 And so it was really tough for myself. My fans are super supportive. But in that break, it was about a month, it wasn't a super long break, but in that month, what I allowed myself to do was think. And I know that sounds very, don't can't you think, any time, but the answer was no, because my life was so,
Starting point is 00:28:16 work, work, work, come home, work, be so tired, go to sleep, without addressing any of the cloudiness I had in my brain. There was so many days where I got home and I was like, this thing is really on my mind, but okay, I'll deal with it later because I have to do this email. I'll deal with it later after I write the script.
Starting point is 00:28:30 And so there were so many of those, I'll deal with it later that I never dealt with it later. And so really during my break, I just sat and I thought and I cleared some stuff in my brain and I started writing things in my journal. And I came to the conclusion that, yeah, I could be happier if I took more time to create the art I'm so passionate about.
Starting point is 00:28:49 And I've made a whole bunch of changes in my life that were prompted from that one month break that I'm very happy about. I'm Mungesha Tikhler, and to be honest, I don't believe in astrology, but from the moment I was born, it's been a part of my life. In India, it's like smoking.
Starting point is 00:29:04 You might not smoke, but you're going to get secondhand astrology. And lately, I've been wondering if the universe has been trying to tell me to stop running and pay attention. Because maybe there is magic in the stars, if you're willing to look for it. So I rounded up some friends and we dove in and let me tell you, it got weird fast. Tantric curses, major league baseball teams, canceled marriages, K-pop. But just when I thought I had a handle on this sweet and curious show about astrology,
Starting point is 00:29:35 my whole world can crash down. Situation doesn't look good. There is risk to father. And my whole view on astrology? It changed. Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, I think your ideas are going to change too. Listen to Skyline Drive and the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Starting point is 00:31:08 I'm your host, Jenny Kaplan, and for me, diving into these stories is the best part of my day. I learned something new about women from around the world and leave feeling amazed, inspired, and sometimes shocked. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Listen on the I Heart Radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Tell me some of the personal lessons that you've gotten it in that month of things you wanted to change. Yeah, I You know so funny when people Isn't it showing people you probably do this all the time when people tell you about their problems You give such a good answer, but you don't apply to yourself So people will tell me about like fatigue and I'll'll be like, it's okay to take a break,
Starting point is 00:31:46 it's okay to be balanced, like it's okay to re-energize. It's best part of hustling. Never did it. Never took time for anything to do. I got my nails done during the break, and I was like, I am such a well-balanced human being right now. I tweeted about it four times. Well, I was getting my nails done ruined my nails.
Starting point is 00:32:02 It was a whole thing. But I think the life lesson I learned was, it does not mean you're being unproductive if you're taking a break. It actually helps to be more productive. So that is something I've learned. I've also learned that if you I'm big on loving yourself, I always teach my audience that the most the most difficult thing you can learn to do in life is love yourself but it's the most important. Loving yourself also means it's okay to ask for help and say you're not okay. So that was a big thing. I tweeted all about finding a therapist and all that stuff where before it's not that I thought it was wrong but I think you know we grew up in a culture with a
Starting point is 00:32:37 little taboo. You know what I mean you hear a lot of older Asian people being like when we were younger we nothing was ever wrong with us and we didn't need to. So I think learning that was a big deal during my break. And also just like putting priority into my relationships was something I really, and that's the thing I say in joke about in my videos all the time, I'm like, I'm single,
Starting point is 00:32:58 I never have friends, but that's so sad. I never have friends, I'm not funny. But I think in that break, I also learn that that takes effort. And if I'm really honest, I am constantly surrounded by people I pay to be near me. And so it's also a reality of like you need to foster relationships with people you also do not pay to be around you. Your family, my siblings, my friends back home, and you need to know that they don't work for you. So when they say, Lily, shut up, we're not doing what you
Starting point is 00:33:29 want to do. Like, that's what friendship actually is, you know what I mean? And so I had to really work on that. Yeah. I also cooked a few more times. Oh, wow. Yeah. These are real life lessons. Yeah. These are amazing. Thanks. And this, and this, and you're so right, we're all so great advising everyone else. 100%. We're all so great at it. People ask me for advice all the time. I'm like, okay, here's what you do. But literally sometimes my life is in shambles, true.
Starting point is 00:33:52 Yeah, I can relate, I can relate. It's so true. It happens all the time. And I think just the fact that you were brave enough to do that, to take that time out, it's a great lesson for everyone else out there who needs to do the same. It means. I just started this year without not doing any work in January at all, which everyone was like, how can you not work in January?
Starting point is 00:34:08 Like, that's like the year where you got to get going. And I was like, yeah, because I needed to go in, I needed to meditate, and I needed to reflect, and I needed to just go and have space. And I felt it just coming back. I was like, oh my god, I've got so much more space to be creative now. And so many more ideas are coming to me and all the rest of it. And like you said, it's not a substitute. It's not like you're being lazy. space to be creative now and so many more ideas are coming to me and all the rest of it. And like you said, it's not a substitute, it's not like you're being lazy.
Starting point is 00:34:29 You actually get to come back to do better. You know what, though Jay, I have to tell you, I don't read all of the comments I get, one because there's a lot in two because of my sanity. But I did see a comment when I said this. I was like, oh, being, taking a break makes you more productive. And then someone wrote a comment and it really like made me think and their comment was, that's a really privileged thing to say because people can't take breaks. And it made me think and I was like, I totally understand this perspective. And so I think, you know, for
Starting point is 00:34:56 the people listening or watching this, if you are, because it is true, we're privileged sitting here like, oh, we got to take a month off work and cool. But I think it's also just about if you can take a month off work, even just taking some more space for your mind is what I'm trying to get at, you know what I mean? Absolutely. Or I came back to work and it's not like, I'm much happy now because after work
Starting point is 00:35:19 I take time to myself and I'm making decisions that make me happier. So I thought that was a really brave comment to make. Of course, my initial reaction was like, hey, there, but then I was like, no, let me actually think about this. And that's really true. If you're not in a position to be like, oh, let me go away for a month or let me take a break from work, I still think there's little ways you can balance your life and make
Starting point is 00:35:37 yourself a priority. There we go. I love it. No, you're so right. Thank you for grounding that actually. That's a beautiful way of putting it. And you're right. And that's the truth of it.
Starting point is 00:35:45 Like, whether it's one hour, whether it's one day a week, one hour a week, whatever it is, one day a month. It could be a simple having conversation with someone that you've been having tension with. Yeah. It could be as simple as calling someone you haven't talked to in a long time and grounding yourself with an old friend.
Starting point is 00:36:01 It could be very, very simple. It's just making time for those little actions, I think. 100%. I love that advice. That sounds so smart. You're... Oh my God. Geez.
Starting point is 00:36:12 Good job. I wasn't expecting any less. Yeah, this is like, no, but it's great. This is what happens in everyone listening and watching. This is what happens when you do the work. Like when you're actually taking a break, when you actually think about this stuff, when you're being honest with yourself, the natural.
Starting point is 00:36:25 It's honestly, if I had to pick what, it's being honest with yourself, it really is. And I think I learned that the hardest with girl love, you know, girl love for those of you that don't know is my social good campaign that's women supporting women. It was such a hard journey for me because I myself have caught myself various times competing with other girls I think it's natural like all of us have this thing inside of us every once in a while
Starting point is 00:36:51 So for me now being like girl love I'm a little girl love I'm wearing the pin right now But then inside being like oh this girl is like I had to check myself so hard Wow and really learn how to be honest as much because I was pegged as like the girl on YouTube, you know, the color girl on YouTube. And I had to believe truly, and I do believe now that it's not about being number one, it's not about, it's about how many more girls can outdo this because I've done it. You know what I mean? And so girl love has taught me to like really the most honest way check yourself. And I think that's what self-care is. I think that's what self-love is. It's about looking those nasty habits
Starting point is 00:37:27 and thoughts and beliefs you have right in the eye and being like, I don't hate you for having this, but we're gonna work on this, you know? And it's the hardest but the best way. It is the hardest thing to do. Yeah, 100%. It's the toughest thing to do. How did you, how did you do it in a way
Starting point is 00:37:41 that it didn't bring you down? Like how did you look at those negative things and then not start judging yourself and beating yourself up about it and take yourself down rather than use it as a way to lift yourself up? How did you do that? I think I did it through quite simply changing it. I think once you identify the parts of yourself
Starting point is 00:37:59 you want to improve, you then have a choice to say, okay, I'm going to continue to ignore this or I'm going to make positive change. So I'm a very pragmatic person. I believe everything can be like signed typically to do this, broken down every part of me. Like you should see me when I'm doing my reflection like to do, to reflect on.
Starting point is 00:38:17 I'm like very like that. So when I recognize these things, I actually write them down. Like this is a habit you have, this is a thought you have. Now what are you going to do to change this? Step one, two, and three. And then when I go back, if I haven't done step one, two, and three,
Starting point is 00:38:30 I know who to blame. I know what the issue is. There's no mystery there. It's laid out right in front of me. And so, when it came to girl love specifically, when I thought, okay, you are jealous of this situation. You don't feel adequate. You're comparing yourself to these girls.
Starting point is 00:38:43 I made actions one, two, and three, one was reach out to the girl, you're gonna have a conversation with this girl, two would be, find out why you feel this way and address that. So there was very like pragmatic steps on how to, that's me as a person. I love that. I sound like a crazy person.
Starting point is 00:38:58 No, you don't, I'm gonna share something with you right now. So when we were monks, we had to do a similar process in a sense of like getting over, so we would identify what was wrong with us. So things like ego, pride, envy, lust, greed, anger, like the common things that we all deal with. Wait, greed is bad. Yeah. I know. Yeah, sorry. You've got to go to a monk school to recognize that one. But we literally would write down our internal default dialogue. Like what do we say to ourselves when we feel envy,
Starting point is 00:39:25 for example, is like, oh, why does he have that, or she has that better than me? So we write down exactly what we say. And then we'd have to replace it with a new fresh internal dialogue. So we actually write out what we wanted to think. So same as your three action things. Like what do I want to think when I actually feel envy?
Starting point is 00:39:41 Like what do I want to choose to think? What do I want to select to think? That's so good. It's the same thing. No, it's exactly the same thing. And it works. It's just a natural monk. You are.
Starting point is 00:39:50 There we go. We just keep coming back to this realization. That's beautiful. That's really awesome. But I love that because I feel so often when we talk about self-love and self-care and really analyzing self-interingly, people think it is very abstract, and they don't know where to start. And think it is very abstract and they don't know where to start.
Starting point is 00:40:06 And I know I felt like I don't know where to start. How do I fix this? How do I even address this stuff? I think that's why my default is to go pragmatic is because if you as a little more able to control and that way, yeah. Well, it's good. I think if you're not pragmatic,
Starting point is 00:40:19 you then don't know what the source of the problem is. Like, you don't know what to look at. If you don't look at a process, you don't know what to change. It's kind of like a blanket solution. It's like look at. If you don't look at a process, like you don't know what to change. It's kind of like a blanket solution. It's like, I feel envy. Okay, I'm just gonna, I was gonna try to be a better person.
Starting point is 00:40:29 What does that mean? Like, what does that mean? Exactly. You gotta really get in my book, I call it, send the GPS deep. Nice. I call this, I believe we have like many layers in us. When you get to the real layer of like why you do something
Starting point is 00:40:40 where you do, you have to address it like that. And so I just feel like being pragmatic helps with that. Instead of just being, be better. Be a better person. Yeah, be positive. have to address it like that. And so I just feel like being pragmatic helps with that. Instead of just being, be better, be a better person. I just like quotes like that, you know? Just try, try, believe, I'm like, no, me believe it is not gonna help these deaf people. Definitely. I'm not deaf down here.
Starting point is 00:40:55 I believed, and off, okay. I have debts like no one's watching enough and I'm fixing the problems. Definitely, I'm glad I don't post quotes like that. Just putting out. No, your quotes are great. No, actually, Jays quotes are great. No, I'm just putting it, no're not fixing the problems. Definitely, I'm glad I don't post quotes like that. Just putting out. No, your quotes are great. No, actually, Jays quotes are great. No, I'm just putting it out.
Starting point is 00:41:08 No, I agree with you. I also formatted so nicely. Thank you. But that's also the part of self development and me being in that world. That was one of my biggest issues with it. And when I came into it, it was just like, I wanted to get away from saying things
Starting point is 00:41:21 that are easy to say. And they sound good. But if you give that to someone, it's like, well, they're like, well, how do, it's like showing someone a picture of an amazing cake. Right. Exactly. And so bake it from this picture.
Starting point is 00:41:33 Exactly. No. Right. And it's like, you can't. You need the recipe. So you're giving me people recipes. Yeah. That's 100% always my issue. And especially in LA, I feel like every time I want to read carpet, people go, so how are you excited
Starting point is 00:41:43 to be here? And I'm always like, yeah. And I'm always like, one day I just wanna be like, no, you know what, I feel like I just genuinely dislike answers that have no substance or ideas that have no substance. I feel like that's like a lot of the quotes you see online do that. They have this like shiny platter, no substance
Starting point is 00:42:03 and you don't know how to apply it. Yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you for giving the real trips. Be as pragmatic in this as you like. Oh, I'm going to. If you want to give steps, you want to give tips, do it. Give it my 99 step, my book. My audience loves that.
Starting point is 00:42:13 Like everyone who's watching and listening will love for you to be as hack like, especially if you're a fan. No, honestly, I mean, if they have you leading them, then there's really nothing more I can provide. That's not true. I promise you. I genuinely don't believe that.
Starting point is 00:42:25 Like genuinely others are going to be sitting here talking to you. Tell me about some of the hacks and hit trips and habits that you have daily, weekly, monthly, anything you do. Well, to help me in my life. Yeah. Okay. This is again, very, very, very, very, I think I'm a nerd. Okay.
Starting point is 00:42:41 So I'm a big believer in removing as many obstacles as my day as in my day as possible to be as optimal as possible Right, and so I Every time throughout my day something goes even mildly wrong I write it down on my phone. I have a little note and it can be like really simple It can be like I'm driving in my car my lips are chapped. I don't have chapstick I'm annoyed like it can be really really small or it could be like really really big and then I actually dedicate time Before I go to bed to solve those problems for tomorrow. So my goal is every day to have as little friction that I can control as possible because
Starting point is 00:43:14 I know there will be so many obstacles I can't control that will come my way. So whatever I can control will be controlled. And whatever I can't, I will be prepped. That is amazing. Yeah, I love that one. Super small thing. So you'll notice, like, I obsessively have chapstick everywhere in my car, in my desk.
Starting point is 00:43:30 Phone charge is another thing, having everywhere all the time. So I think it's just about understanding you can't control things, but things you can control to do. I guess. That's one. Another one, please. I like the one a lot. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:43:43 Another one is, okay, this is, this is what I believe and I'm not admittedly not the best at putting it into practice. I'll admit, it's, it is a quote actually. I don't know who said it, but it's say what you mean, don't say it mean. I'm a big believer in speaking in straight lines. So there's very little room for assumption, but not being mean. So I struggled with this because I, I really dislike confrontation. And so when I have to tell someone something like, you didn't do this or I didn't like when you did this, I'm honest like, okay, let me rehearse this. I don't know what the hell to do here. And so I find myself like
Starting point is 00:44:14 really beating around the bush. So what I've been trying to work at is just saying what I want to say, but that does, and in my mind, that equals being me, but it doesn't. It's really just talking to someone with respect still, but loving yourself enough to say what actually bothered you. So I'm working on that still, but that's an apartment. Say what you mean, don't say me. That's a great piece of it. I think our common friend, Humble,
Starting point is 00:44:35 is someone actually that, if you guys don't know Humble a poet, he's super dope. But I feel like I communicate the best of everyone in the world with Humble, because we speak in very straight lines and neither of us ever get offended. It's like, I didn't like when you did this. Please don't do it, X, Y, and Zen,
Starting point is 00:44:52 he's like, I understand, I will not. And it's like done and I'm like, wow, that's like really great. I just can't seem to do it with other people, I don't know what it is. Wow, yeah, no, I think conflict resolution or like managing conflict or difficult situations It's probably one of the skills that everyone avoids learning.
Starting point is 00:45:08 No, 100% Because it's just so awkward or it can't feel awkward and it's like my feelings and their feelings and everything So I think that's a great piece of advice. I think a lot of people benefit from that. Yeah, I'm still working on it. It's a hard thing But say what you mean don't say it mean. I try to I try to say that in my mind before every little bit of confrontation Also, some things that I consider confrontation that really are not, I'm like, it's okay if you want extra walk.
Starting point is 00:45:29 They're not gonna care. It's okay if you want extra walk. I'm so, so it's a Canadian. I'm so sorry. Do you mind putting, can I pay you to put extra walk on this? It's amazing how sad. Why do I think that's comforting?
Starting point is 00:45:41 I'm aware now. Yeah. No, I think that's the thing that we all commonly share. I used to do this weird thing where I'd say something really like straight to someone and then that follow it obviously. He's saying something really nice. No, no, LOL. LOL is honestly destroyed.
Starting point is 00:45:52 My ability to confront people or emojis, because I'd be like, I really didn't like me to do this. LOL. Yeah. Where really I shouldn't be doing that. That's my buffer. That's totally shame. I used to do that all the time. I think I still doing that. That's my buffer. That's totally shame. I used to do that all the time
Starting point is 00:46:05 I think I still do that sometimes. I say something that I really mean and then I'm like trying to try to cover For me, it's like X, you know X the little kiss. There's like So X just want to say X is like a whole bunch of like stop doing this Just say what he's talking about my sister is literally laughing at me right now because I've probably done this for multiple times Yeah, but I'm just so like I don't know. I just I'm so scared of being mean. Yes My sister is literally laughing at me right now because I've probably done this for multiple times. But I'm just so, I don't know, I just am so scared of being mean. Yes.
Starting point is 00:46:29 But I have to understand that it's not, it's like it's not saying what you mean with it's possible to say what that would be mean. Yeah. And it's beautiful when like what you're saying about between you and humble, like having a relationship where you can have that. And I think I'd want to encourage anyone to listen to this
Starting point is 00:46:43 with their friends, et cetera. Like build that relationship up where you can give each other regular feedback, right? Yes. So that relationship where you can be honest with each other. Because wouldn't you want that? And like I know all these things, but it's hard to put into practice.
Starting point is 00:46:54 But wouldn't you want a friend that like, hey, no one else is telling you about this whack mother everybody you have. So let me, you know what I mean? I feel like I would want that. And so it really makes no sense logically why I wouldn't do that for somebody, but I just, it's hard.? I feel like I would want that. And so it really makes no sense logically why I wouldn't do that for somebody, but it's hard.
Starting point is 00:47:08 Yeah. No, I definitely want that. And that's one of the questions I wanted to ask you, actually, is like, how have you managed to continue to, and you mentioned it earlier, but to continue to keep and build meaningful relationships as your success is grown, as your business is grown, like how is that, how are you making a priority in that? And how hard is that?
Starting point is 00:47:27 Yes, easy answer, I don't. Yeah, and it's hard. It's really difficult. You know, I always say, I think I gave a percentage earlier and now I'm changing it. 99% of my job is psychological, 1% is actual work.
Starting point is 00:47:38 I always say that because once I start to get garnered a certain level of success, my, you know, my Facebook inbox was full of so many old friends that are now really proud of me. And you know, and I'm sure you relate as well. It's a lot of your closest friends messaging you because they need something or they want something. And so I've had to really look at that
Starting point is 00:47:57 and decide how I want to perceive that. And for a long time, it was not positively. It was, I got a little bitter. I was like, oh, well, no, you're not my friend. You're actually just someone that wants something, right? But I've had to adjust my mentality to now think, well, don't you want to be in the position to help people? It's okay to love yourself enough to be like, hey, I have to respectfully say no, because I'm not able to do this. But just how I perceive it had to change for my own sanity. It had to change. So now I try to think of things of like,
Starting point is 00:48:28 well, why else would you want to have this success if you can't help all these people? You should think of it like that. You should want to help these people. So, see it as a positive. Don't see it as something that sucks your soul. That'll see it as a positive. And so, I've had to really work on that.
Starting point is 00:48:40 Trust is still a really hard thing. You know, people ask me all the time, when you meet someone new or like, how do you date? Doesn't it feel like people just want to talk to you because you're superman? Sometimes yes. Sometimes yes, it's true. Someone will talk to me and then very quickly make it transparent that it's because I'm super live. So it's been a delicate dance of figuring it all out. But I am just now choosing to live my life believing and giving everyone the benefit of the doubt of being like, you know what? It's okay if you're talking to me because I'm superman
Starting point is 00:49:12 because I am proud of superman, I'm proud of Lily, I'm proud of what I've built and I should want to talk about it and it's fine. That's the only way and that might sound weird or unhealthy, but that's the only way to really live my life without being completely bitter all the time. That's so awesome. That is such a brilliant answer. That's amazing. I don't know We were drawn healthy, but that's the only way to really live my life without being completely better all the time. That's so worth it. That's such a brilliant answer. That's amazing. I don't know if someone watching this can be like, girl, you stupid, because you're going
Starting point is 00:49:32 to get used. And I know that, like trust me, I'm well aware that there will be people that talk to me and have an ulterior motive. But what's the alternative to then not talk to anyone or to not, you know what I mean, I'd rather just give people the benefit of the job. Well, I loved what you said specifically about the other option for you is to live in bitterness. Yeah, exactly. Like it's just being bitter.
Starting point is 00:49:51 Like it's just being like, oh, everyone wants something for me. So I'm not going to talk to anyone. Right. And that option is so toxic for you. Yes, and I did that. I'm such an outgoing person. I've always been very extroverted. And I found myself last year, suddenly not wanting to go to social settings as much,
Starting point is 00:50:07 saying no to invites all the time because I felt just exhausted being around people. That's fair. You know, I was just like, no, everyone I go is going to be bugging me about something. And so I changed my mentality to be like, and then so what? Go to these events, ask other people about their lives and let them ask you, oh, you're like, it's okay, it's only exhausting and soul-sucking because you're defining it to be that way. Like this me being in the public eyes, not changing, I can't reverse it, I can't stop it. You know, I could start making videos today. And still, there's going to be people coming up to me years from now being like, hey, I love you. You know what I mean? I can't reverse it. So I have to
Starting point is 00:50:43 make an active choice to define it as something else. Yeah. You know, absolutely. Yeah. And I think protecting your energy is important. I do think that too. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:52 What are you saying is for us? Yeah. No, I know you know this. I'm just throwing out for anyone who's listening is just like, that protecting your energy is so important too. Right. Like not going everywhere. You think you have to be et cetera, which I know you already know.
Starting point is 00:51:03 Right. That's an important part of it, too, because it can be exhausting to just turn out and have to be someone and the rest of it. Right. And then I have told myself, if you do have to go somewhere, or if you want to go somewhere, don't define it as being so second. Yes, exactly. And so I found myself when I go out to places now, I actually like just find people and really
Starting point is 00:51:23 get into their stories. Yeah. And I like leave with many more friends friends mostly because I've like had like seven or 14 drinks but it's also because I like people that I want to get to know them. So, you know. I love it. This is, yeah, you're amazing. I love how when I'm listening to you all I can think of is you're such an introspective soul.
Starting point is 00:51:43 Like you like, you've like literally like gone over things, which I think are really tough. I want I'm hearing you, the only energy I'm sensing from is that it's real. Like it's like you've just, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's a real work. It's a major. It's definitely been a work in progress.
Starting point is 00:51:55 I was not always like this. I did not always, I was not always introspective like that. And I think that's the biggest silver lining of any heartache I've had in my life. People are like, what are you most thankful for? And I'm like, being depressed because literally it's given me so much silver lining of just how to befriend my mind and why I think the way I think I had to be in a really bad place to do those things. And so, yeah, I wasn't always like this, but I tried to make something out of bad times, I guess.
Starting point is 00:52:25 It's amazing. Tell me, tell me, you said 2019 was a year you wanted to take more risks. Tell me about some of the risks. Yeah, when I said 2019 was a year I want to take more risks, I was talking creatively. Yeah, sure. I want to. Yeah, not jumping off a building. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was it.
Starting point is 00:52:40 But I wanted to create content that, you know, I think when you're a YouTube creator, you kind of get into some mentality of like, I know it works on YouTube, I know what kind of title, I know what kind of subject my mind would be like, okay, let me do something with the boy, let me make it seem like a relationship, let me make a thumbnail this. There's a formula that works to get people to click a video.
Starting point is 00:52:59 For me, that feels very safe because it's a tried, true, and tested formula. I want to do things where the thumbnail might not be enticing, the title might not be enticing, but it's a piece of content that I feel is really risky in terms of putting it on that platform because it might not get any views. And that's okay.
Starting point is 00:53:15 The content I've been putting out this year so far, I'm super proud of. I'm probably the person I've watched them the most more than my fans as I love them so much. And that's when I'm meant by taking more risks. I also'm taking more risks in terms of business. I think business is art. I am not trained formally in business. I have a psychology degree, like I said, so take that for what you will. But I own a business and I want to take more risks in terms of the production company. I have,
Starting point is 00:53:41 you know, try to push stories that I know traditional Hollywood would be like, no, that's like, we're not putting that on a screen, that's the type of story I want to put you create. I like it. You know, I've gotten notes like, a story about an immigrant girl from India is not relatable. I've gotten that note, I walk into rooms with old white men,
Starting point is 00:53:59 not that there's anything wrong with old white men, but I've gotten to many rooms where I'm trying to tell a story and they're not understanding it. And so I wanna take risks and still push those stories even though I know it's not the safe way to get a deal or have someone buy something, like I don't care. I wanna push those stories.
Starting point is 00:54:15 And also in terms of like being edgy business in terms of like requesting meetings with people that are like completely absurd. Yeah. Just a couple days ago, I even went to see, and I was like, I wanna meet with this person, make it happen. And then I just walked into this room
Starting point is 00:54:28 with the gift for the person. I was like, you know who I am, and you're gonna know who I am now. And you know, just kinda do those little risky moves. I love those. Make waves. Why not? Why not?
Starting point is 00:54:37 I was believed if you can't give up before you try. And even once you try, and there's a no, like, figure it out. I feel like it's gonna happen. A good way to learn about a place is to talk to the people that live there. There's just this sexy vibe, a Montreal, this pulse, this energy. What was meant is seen as a very snotty city. People call it bozangelis.
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Starting point is 00:57:43 Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Absolutely, and I love that you're taking those risks because I think everyone who watches those things eventually is gonna benefit from them, like anything that gets made will benefit from them. Exactly. And also just, I mean, I'm sure from your side, like what you were saying about you earlier,
Starting point is 00:58:01 it's just more fun, right? Like take more risks, keep it exciting to be nervous. It also helps me hustle harder because one of the biggest risks was my production company. Yeah. I started it last year. It's only about nine months old, but a major financial investment. Like, I'll be super real with you as someone I'm super frugal.
Starting point is 00:58:18 I'm very cheap. My sister knows you. Like, literally, I'm so cheap. But when I came to my company, I was like, I'm going to put so much money. I'm going to put so much money, I'm going to put so much resource into this. And that's a huge risk. But because of that, I'm like on my toes now being like,
Starting point is 00:58:32 what are we going to do to make this work? We need to work really hard. And that's what makes it exciting. Yeah. Absolutely. I don't know if you've heard about this thing called flow state. No. So when I'm hearing you, it sounds like you enjoy flow state.
Starting point is 00:58:47 And I think you've probably experienced it multiple times. So flow state is when your challenge matches your skill. So your challenge level matches your skill. So when your challenge is below your skill, you get bored because you're more skilled and your challenge is low. And then when your challenge is above your skill, you get frustrated because your challenge is so high and your skill levels low. Right. And so if you're constantly upping your challenges level. And then when your challenge is above your skill, you get frustrated because your challenge is so high in your skill levels low.
Starting point is 00:59:07 And so if you're constantly upping your skill and upping your challenge, you keep experiencing flow state, which is like where you feel like in the zone, moving, like things are happening, like you have breakthrough moments, right? And so when I'm hearing you speak. I sound so smart, that's yeah. Yeah, that's what I do.
Starting point is 00:59:21 Yeah. That's cool. Wow. Yeah, where's what I do. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. Wow, yeah. So where did you get, where did the mindset of hustle harder come from into your life? Like where did that even come from? I think innately it's because of my parents. You know, my parents are immigrants from India.
Starting point is 00:59:36 My dad, the destroyer, my dad has told me many a time when I came to Canada, I had two jobs, worked the night shift. You know, my parents had to work so hard to provide for me. They did a fabulous job for me and my sister. We had a great upbringing because of that. So I think innately I have that immigrant hustle in me, but I think otherwise any job I've had growing up,
Starting point is 00:59:57 and I honestly don't even know why. My first job was fast food, and I remember even at that job, someone came up to me and they were like, you look work really hard. I think I was refilling the forks. Like we're letting this, he was like, just refill the forks and they were like,
Starting point is 01:00:11 I keep hitting this, that's cool. They were like, you're fired. It's just something about not, I feel like if I'm not being productive, I'm not taking advantage of everything I've been giving. I mean, I don't wanna waste all the resources and opportunities I've been given. I think that's where it comes from.
Starting point is 01:00:25 Well, I love that. I can't be in my house in LA in this wonderful life with these wonderful people around me and then be like, all right, we'll just chill. I'll be like, no, I need to do something with there. Or else, what did I work hard for? Also then what did my parents work hard for? And then why for what? I need to know, I need to give it to purpose, you know?
Starting point is 01:00:47 purpose and meaning and and and and and and I want my dog to have a better life, you know? Like honestly, when I'm working really hard, I'm like, I want to work hard so that you can have whatever car you want and whatever else you want. And dog stuff is expensive in this case. Exactly. I've looked.
Starting point is 01:01:04 Oh no, 100%. I've seen've looked. Oh no, 100%. I've seen dog hotels. Oh no, anytime I go to the dog store, they're always trying to get me on that organic, Romics Stop. Stop trying to make the raw food a thing. That just not gonna be the thing stuff. No, it's just true.
Starting point is 01:01:16 No, but really it's just because I want my dog to have a better life. Yeah. It's the most meaningful thing. I think he can be whatever he wants when he grows up and I want him to know that. So do I. Am I gonna get a C-scalboard today? Oh no, I remember for the- Oh no, he's not the office. I didn't think he can be whatever he wants. When he grows up and I want him to know that. So do I. Am I going to get a C-scalboard for that?
Starting point is 01:01:26 Yeah. Oh no, he's not the office. I didn't think he should be there for the meditation. Oh yeah, yeah. So you'll be like biting your own picture. Yeah, I'd love to see him again. He's super cute. Yeah, I don't.
Starting point is 01:01:35 Yeah. That story you put up recently of taking all your pictures instead of you. Yes. Recreate. Yes. Very funny. This is about my dog.
Starting point is 01:01:44 You should know about Paul's poop. About the rock and your dog. Yes very funny. This is part, this is about my dog. You should have all followed up. About the rock and your dog. Yes, exactly. This is about my priorities. I love it. I want to ask you about this because I think you've just been, even in this whole conversation, been super honest, super reflective. What's been your biggest failure?
Starting point is 01:01:59 Like, what's been the thing that went wrong for you or at least felt like it was going wrong for you? It's there like it was going wrong for you. It's been, it has been, maybe it hasn't. I have two, I have a professional one and a personal one. I think my biggest failure professionally has been subscribing to a system and putting that above making art that I believe. I can honestly say that.
Starting point is 01:02:23 When I first started making YouTube videos, I was very proud of everything and I enjoyed it. And then I got a lot of success and a lot of views. And YouTube became even bigger. When I first started YouTube, I could name every creator. And I could say like, I know you. Now there's so many creators, there's so much content.
Starting point is 01:02:39 So I told myself that, no, you need to just do whatever it takes to make sure that the algorithm likes you and people watch your videos. So I was very much so writing a script very quickly and shooting a video. And I think professionally that was a failure because I think that my audience could probably see that
Starting point is 01:02:57 and I put quality above quality, I'm sorry, I put quantity above quality and I think that was a professional fail for sure. Personally, for sure, without a doubt, my biggest personal fail is that during this journey of superwoman and this career, I have placed very little importance on my self-care for sure. And people would be shocked to know that because in my vlogs, I'm like, very happy and very energetic and that's not a front.
Starting point is 01:03:24 Nice. I am that way. But, you know, some days when I am down or tired, would I then feel obligated to like be that person? Yes. What I place work over priorities with relationships with friends, for sure. I've been single for my whole life. So, I mean, you know, so I think there was definitely moments where I convinced myself that the only success that matters
Starting point is 01:03:50 is professional success. Whereas, no, doing things that mean a lot to you personally, that is also success. And I had to redefine what success means to me because it did truly only mean professionalism. Until recently. The best thing is that both of those things you're talking about, you're working on both of them.
Starting point is 01:04:08 I am actively working on them. And I had to really value it. And you called them out to everyone. Like you've actually... Yeah. You know, every year when I do at the end of every year, not only for myself, but also I have a year-end review video, so I'm forced to go through all of my achievements.
Starting point is 01:04:21 And I noticed at the end of 2018, I had so many personal achievements I had made, but professionally it was like a little bit less than previous years. Yeah, I remember looking at the list and being like, what a bad year. Like I felt like I didn't have a successful year. Then I had to check myself and be like,
Starting point is 01:04:38 um, actually personally, you had the most successful year. You're just not defining success that way, you know, which was a huge issue. Yeah, amazing. Yeah, anyone listening makes you define your own version of success. You're 100%. And it's so easy to get carried away
Starting point is 01:04:52 when things are working and things are happening. And then just forget what's important. Exactly. It's beautiful to see you do it. Thanks. It's amazing. I'll keep you posted. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:05:01 Well, you better. You better. I want weekly updates. I will, don't worry. I'm, you know what? Honestly, now that we're like good, good friends, I'm gonna. Well, you better. You better. I want to weak you out this. I will. Don't worry. I'm, you know what? Honestly, now that we're like good, good friends, I'm going to text you all the time. Like, do you have this problem?
Starting point is 01:05:10 Can you help me? I'm always, yeah. Like, what I have to say, Jay is so sweet. When I went on my break, he sent me the most lovely text and it wasn't even like, proud of you, fluffy, fluffy. It was like substance and like a text from someone that genuinely thought about the text and cared about what they were saying. And I really felt that.
Starting point is 01:05:30 I was like, this person is not just texting me for a connection or for a network or like because they think they have to, they actually care what they're saying and they care about the outcome of this. And that's what Jay was. And truly, that was the blown away by that. So thank you. I thought a lot about that text.
Starting point is 01:05:44 I know. It was like so well-form was the blown away by that. So thank you. I thought a lot about that text. I know. It was like so well-formatted. It was spelled well. It was great. Maybe not that stuff at all. I know. I just know because I really respected you for it.
Starting point is 01:05:55 And on a genuine level, like I was just like, wow. I genuinely respected you for it. And I was just like, I never wanted, I just, I didn't want to be little what you had done. And at the same time, I just, yeah, it was from the heart. It was from the heart. And I'm glad it felt that way. That's always like my worst.
Starting point is 01:06:12 And that's one of the things I worry about. I don't know how much you have, but I definitely worry about this space. I'm like, when I reach out to someone, I only reach out to people I really want to connect to. And so the last thing I want them to do is get a wrong impression from you that I'm reaching out to them from the wrong thing. And I the last thing I want them to do is get a wrong impression for me that I'm reaching out to them from the wrong thing.
Starting point is 01:06:28 And I genuinely have that as an insecurity, as a questioning of like, I don't want them to feel that way. But I also want them to know me for who I am. I don't want them to like me because of the way I portrayed myself. Right, right, right. So I'm sure that loud and clear
Starting point is 01:06:41 and I think nothing but genuine, I see nothing but genuineness from me. It's feelings mutual. When we collaborate together with Christmas and I think nothing but genuine. I see nothing but genuineness from me. Feelings mutual. When we collaborate together with Christmas, I had so much fun. And I was just like, that was, that was, I was like, it was so nice because so many of people that I know back in London and I went back for Christmas.
Starting point is 01:06:56 And there was always sort of video, we did Lily and like obviously they're huge fans of yours. And they were just like, what's she like? And I was like, she's a man. You know, it was just so nice to be able to say that after having spent time with someone. I love that. I feel like there's a number of questions
Starting point is 01:07:08 people ask everyone else. Yeah. And we're like, what is she like in real life? And I kind of want people to like tell weird lies about me. I kind of want someone to be like, she has a tail. Yeah. You know, if you're something like that, I'm like, I really am into that.
Starting point is 01:07:21 Yeah. Okay. So next time, I should do that. I would say something weird. Say something weird. Yeah. Say something weird about me. Like, she's not really Punj that. Yeah, okay. So next time I should do that. She doesn't say it. She doesn't say something weird. Yeah, she's not weird about me. Like she's not really Punjabi. Yeah, or like her hair is fake. Her hair is fake.
Starting point is 01:07:31 Yeah, that'd be a good one. Yeah, what else? Tell me something. Um, abducted. Aducted. Aducted, yeah. Yeah, you could say, she's actually married to Scarborough. She's actually married to Scarborough.
Starting point is 01:07:43 That's a good one. I like that one. We can get pictures made too. Oh, we have them. I'm kidding. I love that. I love that. Awesome.
Starting point is 01:07:53 I want to ask you, I always ask this to my guests because I think it's important. I wanted to, actually, you know, before we do that, I want to talk about your production company. Do we? I want to talk about some of the ideas that you've been coming up with. Yes.
Starting point is 01:08:02 But Polly, we also was part of introducing us and head of development, of course. But Polly is wonderful, by the way. She's so sweet. She's so sweet. But yeah, I've enjoyed all the time I've spent with her briefly too. But she's the head of development.
Starting point is 01:08:15 She's talking about some of the cool ideas. Whatever you can share, I'd love to know. Like, I don't want to, yeah. No, for sure, for sure. We, I'll give you like the top line of a few things. We are working on a arranged marriage thriller. I love you. When she told me that, I was like,
Starting point is 01:08:31 which I'm very excited about because an arranged marriage, it's the perfect environment for just a lot of cool, freaky stuff to happen. 100%. And I feel like so often we see movies that are only one type of relationship, but honestly, the percentage of arranged marriages in the world is very high. It's not only in the people with many cultures across the world.
Starting point is 01:08:50 So that's an example of making stories that people can relate to and be like, oh, this is like another perspective we haven't seen. So I'm really excited about that one. We also are working on a few animated projects. So we're working on a kid's animation based off Unicorn Island, which is this fantastical world in my mind. And again, I want to be very like female voices diverse cast It's gonna be animated so my voice one of the characters. We'll see you Said about that and I'll tell you about one more we are working on
Starting point is 01:09:15 a it's another animation adult animation and it is about a feminist woman who Agrees to get her parents to introduce her to a guy to get married. So she goes this very traditional route and she's in this environment where she's super feminist but has like address all these like cultural things that are coming her way. And so she's kind of on the edge of like what she should do.
Starting point is 01:09:36 So it's super cool. That's me trying to tell you it without telling you. No, no, no, no. And then she does, but I can't say that. So it's gonna be good. No, I love the ideas. And I wanted you to share them just because I love how much your A,
Starting point is 01:09:48 injecting parts of your own culture into the work and looking at it through it, completely different lens. Like when I first had the idea of the arranged marriage through it, I was just like, that is so cool. Yeah, yeah, that's it. I get such a great idea and I loved it. I also, something I'm really passionate about,
Starting point is 01:10:02 which I don't know what we wanna do with this yet, but there's this really cool book called Once Upon a Story that Never Happened. Don't call me on the title, but essentially, it's about, it's a kid's book, it's a kid's animated book, and it's about a princess trapping a tower, but she just wanna prince a saver. She wants a princess to saver.
Starting point is 01:10:21 And so I posted about this, of course, tons of backlash about this, but it's essentially a story that's not so, and why I think it's beautiful, it's not so about like, let's discuss sexuality, you know, it's just a princess driving a tower and she just describes a princess she wants to say for. You know, and it's really fun because the dwarf at the end is like, yeah, I get it. Well, I live with like 12 guys, so like I get it. So it's like a really fun story, but I think those are the types of like risk taking boundary pushing stories I wanna tell.
Starting point is 01:10:46 Because I think it's so important for people to grow up seeing people like them. You know, I didn't grow up seeing things like that. The only reference I have of people that look like me with Hollywood movies. Yeah, absolutely, yes. You know what I mean? And so I think it's important for people to,
Starting point is 01:11:01 there's something really nice. And that's the one thing I like with, another one thing. One of the main things that I like with the entertainment industry is that they tell stories that make people feel like they're not alone. That's the best way when you're watching and whether you're reading a book and you're like, whoa, like there's this person that is like,
Starting point is 01:11:16 I suddenly feel 100 times better about my life. I think that's the magic of story. And so it just makes no sense and it's counterintuitive to me that so many people in power Think they can decide which story should be told and not told it just makes no sense to me Yeah, because our job is to tell stories that relate to people, you know, absolutely And then it's not all it's not just diversity, but it's representation Right, it's like that feeling of representing
Starting point is 01:11:41 Representing the reality of the world That's what it is, right? It's like anytime I get a note about something. I'm like This is what the world. That's what it is, right? It's like anytime I get a note about something, I'm like, this is what the world looks like. Like we're no longer living the sheltered, like what you think, no, this is literally what the world looks like. And that's what it should be represented on TV.
Starting point is 01:11:56 100%. 100%. Yeah, absolutely. How much do you miss Toronto? I don't miss the weather at all. My mom and my face time at yesterday, she said it's minus 30 degrees Celsius. Celsius.
Starting point is 01:12:08 Mm-hmm. So, I do Celsius. I do Celsius, yeah, yeah. It says really, really cold. Obviously, my friends and family are there. So I miss it a lot in terms of some of the strong relationships I have. But if I'm really honest, I was two in my comfort zone in Toronto.
Starting point is 01:12:26 Moving to LA was me stepping out of my comfort zone and really challenged me to get to the places I am at now. Amazing. I could have stayed in Toronto, and I would have been a big fish in a small pond probably, and I hope that doesn't come off the wrong way, but I really had to thrust myself in a scenario where I was like, oh, for today I moved to LA, I was freaking out.
Starting point is 01:12:47 I had literally an anxiety attack and had to pull over on the side of the road truly, because I moved here, I didn't really know anyone. I remember I went to Ralph's to buy, to buy, I don't know, a bottle of wine or something and they didn't accept my Canadian idea. And I was like, what have I done? Literally.
Starting point is 01:13:06 So like there was just so many things that I didn't know. I mean, it was really, really scary. And so now I always think about that. That's from Toronto to LA. Imagine India to Toronto. My parents, you know. It was very scary. And especially because like, as soon as I landed here, I was like,
Starting point is 01:13:22 auditions, meetings, all this. And I'm not from this world. I had to learn it all. I had to sit in here, I was like, auditions, meetings, all this. And I'm not from this world. Like I had to learn it all, I had to sit in meetings and nod and like, kind of like fake until you make it mentality. And so it was a lot of that, you know. You've been on such a steep learning curve. It truly, I've been in some situation and I'm like, I'm gonna learn a lot of things very,
Starting point is 01:13:37 very, very fast. Exactly. But you have, like that's the incredible thing. You're in there. Yeah, like, no, but you have, like you've, you've learned how to set up a business, you've learned how to even just now, like take care of yourself. I don't know. Yeah, like, no, but you have, like, you've learned how to set up a business, you've learned how to even just now, like take care of yourself.
Starting point is 01:13:48 I don't know. My company always asks about like, my employees joke around like, do we have an HR department I'm like, shut up. Do we have an HR department? No, I'm definitely learning and it's super stressed. I don't know if you can relate, but when you're running a business, it's like a whole thing. It's a whole thing. And there's so many times where I'm like, oh my God, I'm not equipped to do any of this stuff. And I think one of the lessons I've learned is the smartest thing you can do is be the dumbest person in the room.
Starting point is 01:14:17 So I make sure that when I hire people on my team, I'm like, you are all better than me at the thing you do. You know, so that makes me really smart because I chose you to be here. So like, I make sure I have really good lawyers because back in the day, my mentality was like, I will learn to edit very well. And I will learn how to do my taxes. Why, I'll never learn. But I will hire very smart people to do those things
Starting point is 01:14:39 so that I'm the dumbest person in the room. 100%. Yeah, Steve Jobs used to say, we don't hire smart people to tell them what to do. We smart people so they can tell us exactly and it's like I completely agree And I think everyone's when they can and you have the ability as an entrepreneur to outsource the areas Yeah, that you don't have an expertise in which was in which was also a huge struggle for me because as a creator online Yeah, people kind of guilt you to for doing that totally. A big hurdle for me was when I had to hide the fact that I'm an editor for so long,
Starting point is 01:15:09 and I can openly honestly say that, that I was like, no, I have to make it seem like I'm doing everything still, because when I started, yes, I was doing everything. Of course. I was editing, I was shooting, I was writing, but then I got to a point where I could, and I was fortunate enough to outsource
Starting point is 01:15:21 so that I could have more time to be more creative and do other things. But I was made to feel so guilty about that. You know, and I think a enough to outsource so that I could have more time to be more creative and do other things. But I was made to feel so guilty about that. You know, and I think a lot of creators relate to this idea of, you have to put off this to saw that you do everything but you don't. What I want for everyone else is for them to grow. And I genuinely believe people should want that for each other.
Starting point is 01:15:39 I want you to go to a place where you can have a team and be mentally stable and good. And so I was like, it doesn't matter if people are mad that I have a net where you can have a team and be mentally stable and good. And so I was like, it doesn't matter if people are mad that I have a netter, I have a netter. Because he's better than me. That is exactly. He used to take me 25 hours to edit a five minute video. Oh no, 100%.
Starting point is 01:15:56 I'm excited, same with me, no film background, no media background, I had to teach myself. It was just so long, and I did it for a long, long time. And then when I could finally, I was so happy. It was like six years of me shooting all my videos, myself editing all myself, and they looked like trash. So everyone should be very happy that I don't do it anymore. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:16:16 Yeah, I love it. Is there anything we haven't talked about? Are you like, Jay, I wish you asked me about this. I wish we talked about this, because I'm happy to go there now. You were pretty thorough, to be honest. No, but I'm happy, as if I missed if I want to know. No because I'm happy to go there now. You were pretty thorough to be honest. No, but I'm happy to, as if I missed if I want to know. No, I don't think so. This is me telling you, you can tell me.
Starting point is 01:16:30 I appreciate that. No, I definitely will. But I don't think so. Yeah. How fun was it designing your match? I wish it was very fun to design. See it everywhere. But I will say, for someone that's as big as a control freak as me, I have this bad habit of wanting very nice things,
Starting point is 01:16:47 but for very cheap. I have this thing in my heart, and I swear to God, I'm not just saying this because it sounds good, I'm genuinely meeting this. I really don't want my merch to be expensive. Because I know what it feels like to be a young kid, bugging your parents to buy you something and it being and then being like, shut up,
Starting point is 01:17:03 you're not getting this sweater for $80, that's why I'm here. So that's something I'm struggling with. I'm struggling with, I want myself to look really cool and I don't want it to be expensive. That doesn't exist right? I don't think that exists anywhere. So it's a lot of fun,
Starting point is 01:17:20 but there's still a lot of work to be done in that regard. Because that's the hardest bit, right? When you buy something and it was cheap, but then in the first wash, it goes bad or it bothers up. And then you have a bad taste because of that. Because if I'm, I'll be honest, some things I do, some things I do because I like it, and also because it's like,
Starting point is 01:17:36 this is a smart business opportunity. That's not how I view merch. I'm fortunate enough to have a lot of other revenue streams where I'll promote just like a fun thing for me to do. That's exciting. And I know for my fans it's exciting as well. So it's not, it's truly not my priority to like make a lot of money off merch.
Starting point is 01:17:54 Yeah. Yeah. If I'm really honest, I'd rather make money off a tour where I can actually meet my fans. That makes more sense to me. Sure. It's not about, it's not like a very big business, financial endeavor that I'm trying to go on.
Starting point is 01:18:07 And I know I'm gonna say, it's people who look short the F up, they're gonna sell merch. Take it for what you will, but I'm being super honest that the most frequent email I get is like, you're gonna make zero dollars on your merch. You just want you to know that you're a horrible business person.
Starting point is 01:18:18 And I'm like, I'm like, it's so cute, I love it, I'm a poor fan. And I also like send a lot of this stuff to like India. And that's like literally sends up to India. And I was like, $900 is that their, and I was like, this is fine. So, you know. I literally did not pay me to ask for much,
Starting point is 01:18:34 just putting in, I paid me to talk about my, I'm sorry. But I'll give you some weird today. I asked because I missed your pop up when you had it here I was traveling. So that's why I asked because I knew it looked fun. Thank you. And I was sad that I missed that.
Starting point is 01:18:47 But did that stuff thing? I had a pop-up and I only knew it was fun. But what I really want to do is a pop-up in India. But then again, my merge company seemed like, oh, sorry, are you going to pay for these 9 million boxes to go to India because we ain't go pay for it. So then I run into issues like that. See, this is why I need someone telling me what to do.
Starting point is 01:19:05 I love it. No, but I think that's part of it. I genuinely think that part of it is going with your intuition, doing what makes you happy, doing what's meaningful to you. And like you said, you're smart enough to know where you can take risks and make mistakes and give. Sometimes, we'll see.
Starting point is 01:19:21 We'll see. I love it. All right, so we end every interview with my final five, which is like my final fast five question. Okay, so it's going to be round to round. Okay, cool. So one to three words maximum. One to three. Okay, cool. Right. Okay. So what's the hardest thing about being literally saying? Balance. Nice. Second question. The best thing about being literally saying.
Starting point is 01:19:44 Hair. Okay, question number three, the worst advice you've ever received. Max three words? No, no, this can be longer. If you wanted to, you could be a diva. Wow, okay. Fourth question, best advice you've ever received. No one's going to take care of you. Like, you can take care of you. That's three words, yeah. OK, cool. No, no, that can be like. That's the raw to sing. And the fifth question, one word to three words, or a sentence,
Starting point is 01:20:12 is you're so good with words. To describe how you feel right now. Peaceful. That's need one word. You have a peaceful energy. You make me feel at peace. Good, I'm glad. Yeah. And I feel like I'm in a safe space. That's need one word. You make you have a peaceful energy. You make me feel at peace. Good, I'm glad. Yeah. And I feel like I'm in a safe space.
Starting point is 01:20:28 That's why I feel peaceful. Thank you. Thank you, Lily. Look at his voice. How could you not? You should do ASMR. Have you ever done it? You should do it.
Starting point is 01:20:37 We should talk about this. Okay, we should talk about it. No, I was just going to say, thank you for being so honest, so warm. Thank you for allowing me to be so honest. It's amazing to see someone who's as successful as you are, as able as you are, as talented as you are, to just hear you be.
Starting point is 01:20:50 You know, and it's amazing. Like, I just, I love it, and I hope that you carry on doing it. And if I don't, can you text me and call me on it? Because that's what I really need. If you really want me to do it. Yeah, I really do. But I will.
Starting point is 01:21:00 I really do. And I really do the same back for me. But no, I want, I just, yeah, I'm so glad that we're building our friendship and relationship. And I'm grateful now. I will do whatever you need me to do. More of these, more of these, whatever. I had such a great time, and I'm honored to be here speaking with you. Oh, thank you. I've got lots of ideas for us to do stuff. Yes, let's do it. I went to it. That's not going away. But, but, genuinely, thank you so much. You're amazing. Thank you having amazing. I love all the tips and lessons
Starting point is 01:21:25 you gave today. I'm going to listen back to this for everyone watching and listening and share Lily's top three tips so that you get those as well. And any team supermembers that are here, make sure you support Jane everything he does. He's a phenomenal human being certified unicorn. I love that. Yes. Can I get a badge? Yes. Actually, yes, you can. I'll look on that. Yeah. Yeah. Bad is certified here, called. It's so cool. Sort of see. Sort of find a little badge.
Starting point is 01:21:47 It's going on my to-do list. Yeah, certified here, come. So, right. You look on the old school, a little old school, like. Yeah. Or like, stitch on, like. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:55 I don't know. I don't know. Maybe a ring. OK. Write that down. I love it. But thank you so much, Lily. Thank you so much.
Starting point is 01:22:02 You're amazing. You're incredible, incredible guest, and even better friend. Thanks. And yeah, thank you so much, Lily. Thank you so much. You're amazing. You're incredible, incredible guest and even better friend. Thanks. And yeah, thank you. All the best for 2019. I hope it's going to be a year of growth for you and your team. I hope it's going to be amazing for all of your audience who gets to be a part of your journey.
Starting point is 01:22:16 I'm just sending you the best wishes, prayers and vibes that are possibly next. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. And thanks to all of you. Bye. Bye, guys. to on purpose. Let me know, post it, tell me what a difference it's making in your life. I would love to see your thoughts. I can't wait for this incredibly conscious community we're creating of purposeful people. You're now a part of the tribe, a part of the squad. Thank you for being here.
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