On Purpose with Jay Shetty - Liza Koshy: ON Becoming The Person You Should Have Been

Episode Date: September 23, 2019

On this episode of On Purpose, I sat down with Liza Koshy. Liza is an actress, television host, comedian and YouTuber. Liza stars in the YouTube Premium comedy series Liza on Demand and is the host of the Nickelodeon game show Double Dare. Too often we follow a path that leads us away from who we are and Liza encourages you to release the labels others put on you, and embrace your multiple selves. A different version of you lives in the minds of everyone you know. Will you live up to their expectations, or the one that lives within? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Our 20s are often seen as this golden decade. Our time to be carefree, make mistakes, and figure out our lives. But what can psychology teach us about this time? I'm Gemma Speg, the host of the psychology of your 20s. Each week we take a deep dive into a unique aspect of our 20s, from career anxiety, mental health, heartbreak, money, and much more to explore the science behind our experiences. The psychology of your 20s hosted by me, Gemma Speg. Listen now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. I am Dr. Romani and I am back with season two of my podcast, Navigating Narcissism. This season, we dive deeper into highlighting red flags

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Check it out on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen. So you think of like a kid on Disney Channel, right? And that network created what that character is and that show and what the messages are trying to convey and that show. And then when that person as a human being naturally grows and evolves, they become, you know, themselves or whatever version they may become, that's like a role you break out of. Now, I created my own. And so to break out of that and become this host, to become this actress was me, you know, experimenting creatively outside

of what people knew me to be. Hey everyone, thank you so much for coming back to on purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every one of you. I'm genuinely so deeply touched that you come back every single week to learn, to listen, to grow, and to make an investment into your development, your growth. And you know that I try bring on guests every single week

that I believe are going to help you live a better, more meaningful, purposeful life. And today's guest is incredible. Like her energy is infectious, her smile is contagious. The love that she emanates and embodies from the moment I met her is truly one of the most beautiful things to witness and observe. And I'm so excited that you're going to get

to witness that for so much more time today than we usually do. And I have to say, she has one of the busiest schedules in the world, so the fact that she's actually made time for this, I'm super humbled and grateful. So let me go into this and listen very carefully, this very, very listening. Today's guest is an actress, a television host,

comedian and YouTuber. She began her career on Vine in 2013 before starting a YouTube channel. Her acting roles include Ade Walker in Tyler Perry's horror comedy film Boo, a media Halloween, and the explorer in the YouTube Premium series Escape the Night. She starred as Violet Adams in Hulu drama television series Freakish and she both produces and stars in the YouTube Premium comedy series Liza on Demand. and series two is coming out,

so we're gonna be talking a lot about that. And she's the host of the Nickelodeon Game Show, Double Dare. She's received four streaming awards, right guys? Not just one, four streaming awards, 14 Choice Awards, and a Kids Choice Award. She's a member of the 2019 Forbes 30 under 30, and she's got a lot of years to go before that even gets close. She's got a ton of time.

And she was on Times 2019 list of the 25 most influential people on the internet, with 60 million followers across over four platforms. Her name is the one and only Liza Kochi. Hi! You are such a legend. You are such a legend. Thank you, thank you. Couldn't I have put you on like the Forbes 25 under 25,

like 23 under 23, like, and what do they do? I'm glad I slid you my resume, so you could read all of that. I had to read it. I had to read it and I thought about this and I'll be honest with you, when we're researching guests and we're getting the bio together and I'm picking up what to say and I read that and I literally said to Julian,

I said to him when we were looking at it, I was just like, I'm gonna say all of it because she deserves it. I was like, I'm gonna say all of it. And there's so much more, but I was like, I wanted you to, and I want everyone listening, and I want you to recognize just how amazing you are and what you've accomplished.

Now, incredible it is. And you do it with so much grace. Like you don't do it with any ego. I've never sensed arrogance from you. I've never sensed ego from you. Just an actress. I'm full of it. I'm just pretending to be humble over here.

So you're a great actress. Which I got the show then. I'll prove it. Yeah, exactly. I'm trying. And I'm so excited for season two. I've been watching the first. It's been amazing.

Thank you so much. It's been so exciting. Season two got a little bit of an upgrade. So we got a little bit more budget on that one. Really? We got more budget, but surprisingly less wardrobe, so I will say in the first episode, I am naked. So speaking of the end of the year, I want you to watch, so I'm checking out.

But it is, it's very vulnerable. I will say I'm very exposed, literally and figuratively, and spiritually. So you get to see more of a journey and more of like my growth as like a human being, but also as a character and it kind of like parallels my real life of me stepping into my power. And so does my character some excited for the. That's amazing. I love that.

And I love how much of when I've been watching it, I love how much of you is infused into the character. Yes. Can't help it. Yeah, no, but it's but it's still done so uniquely. So I never feel like I'm watching a video of yours. It definitely feels like a show, which I love that distinction that you've been able to make. Yeah.

It's very different. But at the same time, I can see you genuinely coming out. And I think that's your superpower. Like, you know, you as who you are and your expressions, your emoji-like face, like, you know. That's like the stuff. And I'm like, I'm so happy to see that come out and the comedy's all you, like, you know, that's like the stuff. And I'm like, I'm so happy to see that come out and the comedy's all you, like, you're writing as well.

That's me. So yeah, I mean, the writers room I'm writing and developing the story with a bunch of other amazing magicians and cooks in the kitchen. So I'm just blessed to have this like amazing family that's willing to uplift this story that hasn't really been told. So, or at least told it from my perspective,

so I'm excited. Yeah, that's good. Thank you. We were just talking about starting off with compliments. So, or at least told it from my perspective, so I'm excited. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. We were just talking about starting off with compliments, and I have to be like, I'm like, you know, I was nervous because of my first podcast, so I'm trying to do my most soothing voice possible. Sounds like an off-gram Beyonce right now.

Yeah. Hey, y'all, how y'all doing? But I look like Crazy Cardi B right now. Like, if Cardi B was raised at Disneyland or something, if you're watching the visual, I'm wearing many colors, every color Cardi B was raised at Disneyland or something. If you're watching the visual, I'm wearing many colors, every color in the pantone book I swear.

So we have Liza Kurshi Cardi B and Beyonce on this podcast. Often one, three for one baby. Three for one. It's amazing. No, and this is your first podcast. This is my first podcast. Which I thought so humbled and honored by us.

Like, wow, like, thank you. So grateful. It is an honor to be on yours. I can't tell you like how many times I've been in my times of weakness, and I felt empowered and strengthened through your words and through your shares. On Instagram, I always say feed your feed with things that genuinely feed you.

And genuinely is a word that's throwing around a lot, but you are genuinely one of the most amazing enlightening souls that I've ever come across. And this is our first time hanging out, too. I know watching this full conversation that we've never had before just like on camera with each other. So I'm excited. But yeah, I appreciate everything that you've done. You helped me through a really tough time. And I'm grateful to be here today to thank you in person. And I'm here for you. I'm totally here for you anytime, anytime, anytime. And I was so touched by the mention of the Wall Street

journal and so many other places, it's not even that. Like I just, I wanted to say that. Like I think this is who you are and this is where I want to start with how this conversation has already gone because it's turned into a constant battle already. I want to stop this. I actually have some questions I wanted to ask,

which I will get to. But I want to point this out because I think it's important to test them and to who you are. Like you said, this is the first time we're like sitting down face to face, having our conversation. You could have said anyone, but you still said me,

and you've mentioned so many wonderful things about me, and I'm just like, this is the most beautiful thing about someone. You're saying it when we haven't even had this moment to sit down together. And so anyway, the feeling is rich. We're're gonna stop complimenting each other, you will not hear a compliment for the rest of this podcast. Both of our egos are boosted. We are good. So yeah, exactly. Like now that we've got that out the way, like we're gonna ask serious interview

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to podcasts. Big love, Namaste. Not too long ago, in the heart of the Amazon Rainforest, this explorer stumbled upon something that would change his life. I saw it and I saw, oh wow, this is a very unusual situation. It was cacao, the tree that gives us chocolate. But this cacao was unlike anything experts had seen, or tasted. I've never wanted us to have a gun fight.

I mean, you saw this tax of cash in our office. Chocolate sort of forms this vortex. It sucks you in. It's like I can be the stacks of cash in her office. Chocolate sort of forms this vortex. It sucks you in. It's like I can be the queen of wild chocolate. You're all lost, you're this madness. It was a game changer. People quit their jobs.

They left their lives behind, so they could search for more of this stuff. I wanted to tell their stories, so I followed them deep into the jungle, and it wasn't always pretty. Basically, this like disgruntled guy and his family surrounded the building armed with machetes. And we've heard all sorts of things that, you know, somebody got shot over this.

Sometimes I think, oh, all this for a damn bar of chocolate. Listen to obsessions, wild chocolate, on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. or wherever you get your podcast. I want to start off with something, and I want to dive into the making of the show and everything. But I want to start off with something that I think is important to what you've touched on. It's important to how you've spoken about it, and you said this, and it was really powerful. When you returned from your social media break,

you said that it was the first time that you felt successful. And when I heard that, I was just like, wow, like what happened in that time? Like we've just read your resume. the first time that you felt successful. Yeah. And when I heard that, I was just like, wow, like what happened in that time? Yeah. Like we've just read your resume, you know, everyone knows your accomplishments, but you said that that was the first time you felt successful.

What happened in that time? Well, people were like, well, Liza was like, now I feel successful. Yeah, okay. Well, everybody has their own definition of success, right? And my definition of success, although it may sound so fresh, it's not the feeling of joy and

happiness that resides and that quiet confidence that resides in myself. And I was always a very big, kind of obnoxious, like, real loud personality, like comes out in different forms and has explored myself creatively in different forms, whether it be through hosting or acting or whatever it may be or whatever inspires me in that time. But I was finding myself, I created this box, or this rectangle, if you will, of my YouTube videos and all these characters and personas that I put on and that I created for myself. And I'll get more into that later

because there's reasons why I created all those personas and I developed this level of awareness that I'm like, oh, that's why I made that because I needed that and I'll get level of awareness that I'm like, oh, that's why I made that because I needed that. I'll get into that. But I literally created this rectangle and people knew me. They created a definition around me as to what I do or what I create and I had to break out of that.

So you think of like a, you know, a kid on Disney channel, right? And that network created, you know, what that character is and that show and what the messages are trying to convey in that show. And then when that person, as a human being, naturally grows and evolves, they become, you know, themselves or whatever version they may become, and that's like a rule you break out of. Now I created my own.

And so to break out of that and become this host or become this actress was me, you know, experimenting creatively outside of what people knew me to be. And so I made this definition. I allowed them to define me. And then I was redefining myself in that time that I took away. And I allowed myself to breathe, allowed myself to be whatever I may be within that day or ten minutes for ever changing and ever evolving.

And there was a point where I was kind of stunting myself and holding myself back from becoming. And now I've become myself or selves. So now my whole thing is like, not only be yourself, because we know that cliche, we know that yes, be yourself, whoever that may be. But now it's plural, be yourselves, whatever you may identify as but now it's plural be yourselves. Whatever you may identify as and whatever you are drawn to and and want to become. So in that time is a lot of growth and a lot of like spiritual awakening. My forehead always hurts because my third eye I be seeing things now. Yeah, but it's been fun and I'm so grateful to my audience for allowing me to have that break

and allowing me to be a human instead of the character, the persona that I created online. I love that. Be yourselves. Be yourselves. I love that. So that's almost like giving your permission to be more than one thing. Be more than one thing. Identify as many. You are, you know, in the industry, I'm in holster, I'm this actress, I'm this personality,

whatever that may be in your real life, it's who you are at work, who you are at church, who you are at, you know, whatever you wherever you may go, you are these different versions of yourself and allowing yourself to be and accept yourself, yourselves. I love that. That's such great advice. I think you're so right that we get so caught up in our definition of what we think we should be. And then we get caught up in the definition of what everyone thinks we should be. I think it's, I think it's the Japanese say we have three faces. So the first face is the

face that we show to the world. The second face is the face that we showed the people that are closer to us. And the third face is the face we showed to no one else. Right? It's like, those are three faces. And I'm sure there's multiple other layers of that. But it's interesting what you're saying is actually, like embrace all of them. Yeah, embrace all of them. And that face that you don't show to the world is the hardest to show.

But I think it's like, it's what the industry needs. And it's what you do essentially is like, is showing the world that it's okay to be who you are behind the curtain, but in front of it as well. Like that's the most exciting, most vulnerable, most relatable part that you can be is like accepting of your feelings and your emotions. That's the hardest part, but it's what we need. So thank you for it. That's so beautiful. And compliments are now over. You can stop, stop. Yeah, can you move on? I know I don't. Okay, calm down. All right, I get it. Have a whole podcast. Very successful, actually.

He's listening. It's a pretty calm. I love it. And I love what you're saying earlier, like this, you know, I really got me thinking and I didn't know that. You were saying that you started to realize that you built characters to express and feelings

or because of what you were going through. Yeah. Take us through that because I think that's fascinating. Oh, thank you. I mean, I didn't know I was crazy. And then I found out as I had this level of awareness, you hit your 20s man, that hit me like a brick. I ran straight into a wall.

When I hit my 20s, and I'm grateful for that wall because it allowed me to stop and pull back and listen to what I was doing into myself and to the world. So I created these crazy characters, one, because I'm a real good-looking man. I look good in a ball cut and that is a hard thing to achieve. His name was Jet, or his name is still Jet.

He's still with us. I sound like he died. Yeah, that's what he's doing. He's fine. He's doing well. But yeah, no, he was this character that I created, a little ball cut, a little mustache, always wearing black,

he looks real dapper, he thinks he's fantastic at everything, but he kind of sucks, but he has this like unspoken, also very loud spoken confidence of like, I can't do anything and I embody, you know, my truth always, which is that I'm great and I believe in that, even if you know, physically I can't prove that. So he's really bad at sports. He can't do a single thing. He's awful. He's the world's greatest Olympian in his book, but everybody else is just crazy. But he was basically what I needed.

So I needed that confidence, that just like entire, like, almost delusional belief in oneself. And that's, I forget who said it. It's probably somebody on this very inspiring wall. But someone said you have to be a bit delusional. Oh, it was, it was, yeah. Ali. Ali, he said you have to be a bit delusional

in order to believe in yourself that nothing has ever been done before that you are able to provide the world. And so I created this jet to be this branch of confidence that I needed. And that was a form of myself that sometimes you step into that power of confidence and you're not sure what the hell you're doing. But you look, you're confident doing it. And you're just leaning into fear instead of, you know, letting it control you. But then this other version was Helga, who is a very like maternal figure. She is a frown somewhere. She sounds a bit like this.

I don't know what she's from. I say she's not from anywhere, so I don't defend anyone. Hello. There you go. She's from the world. She's cultured. She just picked up an accent. She's actually just from Minnesota.

But she was this like maternal figure. I moved out at 19 and I didn't have my mom in my life in LA. And I had her blessing to move out here, but I didn't have the guidance that, you know, I wanted or craved. So I created her. And she was, you know, the very outspoken confidence too of like knowing and being sure in her word

in what she believes. So that's who I created for that. And then this little Liza is this young version of myself that has, you know, she's kind of unaware, she's innocent, she ignores this bliss kind of thing. And we all have this inner child in which we embrace at times, but sometimes we also shove down. We don't want to be too crazy, too big

or wear too many colors at the same time. And that's what little liza was for me. She allowed me to embrace, too big, or wear too many colors at the same time. And that's what Little Liza was for me. She allowed me to embrace the younger characteristics of myself. And it was me not wanting to step into adulthood either. I'll tell you that. My midlife crisis, she was holding me back from me. You know what I'm saying? So I created her in order to allow myself to play.

And we should all just be allowed to play and have fun and not conform to whatever society may be saying they want to see. But then, yeah, those are my characters and they're all different branches of me. And so I created all of them. And now I'm kind of bringing them all together as one, which is just me. And that's the Liza we see on Liza under one. And that's Liza you see on Liza on demand. It's her like, you know, being a little confused about what to do with her career. But thank you for tying it back into the show. Cut, dang, you were good at this.

You see that version of me that is embodying everything and embracing everything about herself. So yeah. Hi, I'm David Eagleman. I have a new podcast called Inner Cosmos on I Heart. I'm a neuroscientist and an author at Stanford University and I've spent my career exploring the three-pound universe in our heads. On my new podcast I'm going to explore the relationship between our brains and our experiences by tackling

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as part of the Michael Tura podcast network available on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I love that. I'm so glad that you shared that because I think... and I'm guessing when you actually created them, you didn't know that. I'm so glad that you shared that because I think, and I'm guessing when you actually created them, you didn't know that. No, I had no idea. It's in hindsight. Now that you've reflected and you've looked at those roles

and you were like, oh, that's why I did that. And I love that because what you're saying is so true, there's two things I want to point out to the audience which you've just done here is, when you look at what Ali said, it was like Ali said that, you know, he said he was the greatest before he was. Yeah.

And so that's exactly the point of like, he was saying that, you know, he said he was the greatest before he was. Yeah. And so that's exactly the point of like he was saying that to convince himself, not really to convince anyone else, but then going through that process, he did become. Yeah. And in the same way, Steve Jobs had something called reality distortion field. Oh, that's right. So that's where you're creating a almost not slightly delusional, but a aspirational version of who you want to be.

Yeah. And you're creating it so that you can then become that. And then Martin Luther King used to put on glasses. Yeah, so Todd Herman, who I interviewed and wrote the book, The Old Ego Effect, he talked about how Martin Luther King used to wear glasses because they made him feel more confident. Me and Martin Luther King have so much in common. Really?

God. I mean, like, I actually have, I didn't wear them today because I just wanted to look you directly in there. But I have a pair of fake glasses that I wear all the time. No, that's right. Because it makes me feel so much more like, regal and like. Do you read them to meet things instead?

I wear them to meetings. Because I feel like they take me more seriously. You see a little five foot gnome waddle into the office. You're like, well, I'm going to listen to this. This is going to tell me an idea, a good idea. And everyone my glasses on, I become this like, hey, I got some things to say.

I've seen the world. Let me tell you about it. You're in mind if I get to say it. You're in mind if I get to say it. Yeah, it's amazing. I have dreams too. I love it. And that's something I wanted to talk about there.

One thing I get from speaking to you today, and obviously Courtney, who we both love. Yes. And when she talks about you to me, and from what I've observed, I think of anyone who's, anything that you've accomplished externally, but also just the person that you are, I think I'm trying really hard not to compliment you

as I talk about this. I'm so huge, see it. See what you love about me. No, but the thing I find is that, I don't think people should underestimate people based on their age or their professional experience. Because I'm like, when I see what you've achieved externally in terms of everything we talked about

and who I see you as a human, and just how you've just reflected on how you created roles. Like, that's not a... I know a lot of time. I took a year off YouTube, man. I had a lot of time to think and journal and meditate, you know? Yeah, but it's like like that reflection is super mature. Like people don't realize for decades that they've been creating personas to play and not knowing who they are and figuring out their

identity. Like that's something we do for our whole lives. And so I think anyone who's judging someone or questioning someone's ideas when they're walking through their room because of how they look and how they dress and how old they are. I mean, that needs to go for sure. That needs to go for sure. I'm gonna judge a book by its cover because there's a whole story on the inside that you're about to find out if you're willing to listen.

Yeah. And how have you dealt with that? With like, you know, you're creating shows, you're hosting shows. How have you dealt with that to be able to display without having to like defend yourself? Yeah. Because I feel like you do that pretty well.

Display, defend, there's another D word I say disarm. So I immediately, that's my favorite thing to do is like disarm. And that's what I use my humor for is I either compliment, which you just did, by the way, thank you for all those compliments that you said you weren't going to give anymore of. You either compliment or you disarm, you allow them to know, like,

yo, we're all just here. We have a really cool jobs. And like what we're doing is a blessing to do every day. So to walk in and just immediately, like, yo, just let's set the temperament now. Let's let's enjoy ourselves and have a good time. Let's let's, you know, acknowledge the world around us. And the fact that we're living this life is so cool. So that's, that's my go to when walking into a meeting that I'm feeling nervous about.

Because that's what I want for somebody to do for me. I want them to make me feel comfortable. So allowing someone, complimenting someone, is making them feel comfortable in who they are and like taking a second to like knowledge and notice what they've done to themselves, whatever that be. But yeah, so I think for me, it's just stepping in and being bold and being confident and being that version of myself, I tap into my jet or I put in my, put on my glasses

and I allow myself to firmly believe that I have something to say. And you know, if you're receptive and you're ready to listen, then you're in your place. And if you're not and you want to shut down that idea, then that's all right. I forgive you, there's something that you're working through and when you work past it, maybe you will see hopefully I pray for you more clearly. Yeah. I love that. That's

awesome. Don't display or defend this arm. Yeah. I think that's beautiful. I think that's such a thank you. I've never thought about it like that. Like I almost feel like I've practiced some of it. Sure. You do that. I've never really consciously understood that in that word. Awareness of it. Yeah, and I think you've just made me conscious of it and you've welcomed me up to it. It's beautiful.

It's like, that's such a powerful point that I think if we can always look when we walk into meetings, we'll be walking to an interaction or anything to disarm everyone so that we can allow ourselves to be more ourselves. Sure. I think that's beautiful.

I think that's such a great practical takeaway, because I think we all get so lost in. We always walk into a meeting and feel like, I'm going to have to defend myself today. I'm going to have to stand up for like, I'm this, or we start looking at all of our things that people could pick out. I'm going to build myself up. Or we go like, I'm going to show what I'm good at. I'm going to display. And that's a huge takeaway for me Yeah, it's massive. Yeah, did you one thing? You thought me so many like how many posts you have on Instagram?

Yeah, that many things you've told me that many things and more now you just work me up to I think that's a huge point I just think if we can walk into every interaction in our lives Yeah, I think how can I disarm the other person and disarm myself? Humanize you humanize yourself. Yeah. That's beautiful. Yeah, I hate things, man. That's what I love to do. It's just like make you feel comfortable and whatever heightened or relaxed environment

that you're in, like this is so relaxing to be here and just talking to you. It's definitely, it's different than MetGal for sure. Just to brush the dirt off my shoulder. I mean, you were doing all the interviews on MetGal are standing on like this podium, right? That was empowering in itself. That was empowering.

I'm five feet tall. I was wearing four inch heels. I was five four, but they still needed more. And you had to wait for everyone to walk the whole carpet and you were standing there as like the gatekeeper. Ready. But you were amazing. Everyone seemed to love talking to you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Who was it? What was the conversation that you remember that kind of left an impact? Yeah. I mean, I have to say I love Stephen Colbert. So like last year was my first year doing Met Gala this year.

I kind of like came back and felt more comfortable in my power for sure. But last year I just geeked out over Stephen Colbert and from that, I was invited to be on his show, which was amazing. And it was just a chain reaction of fortunate events. Yeah. So it was cool, but he just, you know, he has a platform and I think he uses it in amazing ways and he does the same disarming. So I'm just inspired by people I watch all the time and yeah, yeah, it was cool, but let me think who else. It was wonderful.

Just like seeing people this year, especially the the theme was camp. So you could go as hard as you wanted to and I had a whole pocket full of like could have been hot cheetos that I was selling on the side, which I'm sure people would have appreciated because inside you just get one chicken breast which is chicken breast and a little scoop of grains. I think Anna Winter is paleo. She was ensuring everybody else was following her diet. But no, I had a like my arm was missing so my arm was inside this giant pocket the whole time. I was just like flaccid in there the whole time,

didn't see the sunlight. It's a little more pale to this day. But it was cool, because everybody was just expressing themselves and like they were decorating their spirit that day or their soul that day, which I like to say, because they were just having fun

and being who they are and embracing it. So it was fun. So my room that you describing Lady Gaga's outfit changes on the carpet. I was like, this is brilliant. Like, I was just like, because you can see it from afar. And you're like, you're going through the motions that everyone got to go through on the pictures afterwards. But I think you did an awesome job.

Okay. And I love how, again, like, I think you are constantly giving everyone who's listening, everyone who watches your permission to be themselves because you always are. Like I just don't see you change in different forums, in different, you know, whether it's the Streamies, where I first met you last year, or whether it's, you know, the Matt Gala,

whatever, like, you're always emanating who you are. And I think that that's a beautiful thing. I think holding onto that at such a young age, like, you're only 23 years old. And I think that's amazing that you've just been able to really understand yourself and be comfortable in your own skin. And I'm glad it looks like that. That's what I'm saying.

I think I might be a good actress, because I am. I became comfortable with being uncomfortable. And I love the skin I'm in, but I'm always trying to understand what exactly is inside. So that willingness to be open and accept whatever may come out.

Well, that's it. Well, that's what's beautiful about it. That's even more powerful what you've just said there. Like you're constantly trying to understand. Like that constant awareness and actualization, going on is what people need to do. Yeah, very helpful. Amazing.

Awesome. Well, tell me about what I was really fascinated by is like obviously you've done all of this great social media work. Like you've, media work, you've built an amazing platform, amazing audience, people love you, and it's just what I was fascinated by is then you go and create a show. And as I was pointing out earlier, to me, it's another level, the writing is incredible,

the scripting is incredible, all the jokes and the punch lines, the character style, the other characters that involve, which is different to you being characters. It's now you interacting with real other people, which is different from your work. Tell me about the process of actually building a show. Oh, man, because I feel like it's a massive undertaking. I mean, building a YouTube audience and YouTube is hard enough to then to like transition. Tell them to tell us about that transition. Yeah. Ho cha! How much time do we have? We've got time. Okay, so basically, I hope you like the sound of my voice, by the way. Just checking in

mid-podcast because I've been talking a lot and I appreciate you guys listening. I was actually going to say you have a great podcast voice. Thank you. If you ever want to start a podcast, you'll be back. You were saying that on the phone yesterday, like a podcast is a great way to make friends. You want to have deep conversations with people. Literally. Yeah.

I've literally been like, I've said to a few people, I'm like, I'd love to hang out. And they're like, yeah, I'd love to too. And I'm like, can you come on my podcast? I'm like, oh, yeah, when do you want to come on? I'm like, great. But no, I do believe that podcasts are very intimate conversations and it's a chance to go vulnerable quicker.

And I can ask whatever I feel like on a podcast. And sometimes when you're off camera, you don't always feel like you can. On a podcast, you know, whatever. And like, so anyway. But yeah. I love that. Sorry, my ADD kicked in.

What was the question again? The question was, I'm just trying to, I guess there's two parts of this question. Let me break it down. The first part of the question is, what do you think people misunderstand about the life of a creator? I want to understand how challenging it is to do what you've done. All the process it's taken to build the social platform. And then the second part of the question is, I want to hear how interesting the transition was from social media to then building a show. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay, so I will say the life of a creator is an interesting one. It's you, you don't get bored. You definitely, there is no idle mind. I will say you are constantly working and it depends what kind of content you're creating, right? So we have vlogs that are out there. You depends what kind of content you're creating, right? So we have vlogs that are out there, you have your scripted content that's out there, you have just podcasts.

I mean, you have it all. So for myself, I started off doing vlogging and I enjoyed that, but I wanted to build, I wanted some kind of structures, some kind of formula method to my madness, if you will. And I created all these scripts and all these characters, right? And so that was me literally dragging around a tripod in my room and finding lighting and just googling everything. How do I, what camera does what and what, what does this, so starting off from scratch and creating kind of my own,

I didn't know what it was, but my production company, and that's what I was doing. But really for me, it was just like creating videos and having fun and being this, these versions of myself and putting myself out there. And little did I realize I was acting too. I just didn't know. Even though I was looking at a white, like I just didn't know that me looking at a white wall dressing up as a different version of myself was acting. Until like the label was placed whenever I was like, oh, that's, why does it feel so familiar when I do this, you

know, on set with other people, oh, because I've feel so familiar when I do this on set with other people? Oh, because I've been doing this alone in my living room. For years. For years, making my own audition and my own reels online. Well, that's what's so cool about social media is, you create your own real, your own resume on lines so you can show the world what you can do if placed in another environment

or given another chance of some sort. So that's what I was doing in my own living room and creating that, but it takes hours, hours of scripting and making sure the language is right and you're trying to get the message across and costume changes on my own and switching to those characters. And I'm better at night.

I'm surprised I'm high functioning human right now during the day. Look at that. It's probably because you got black outcurns. Yeah, it feels like. Yeah, it feels like night, it feels chill. But I filmed everything from like, probably I'll start at like 10 p.m. and go until 4 a.m. and just change all these different characters because I just like was better on and more

on a performance mode at night. So I did that and then I would go to sleep and I'd wake up and immediately start editing and editing is the longest process takes like days and days. That's why this is so believing. I'm like, you don't have to edit this. Really, you just got to chop into these different angles. Hi, how you doing? Now you're on Jay.

Now you back home me. We're acknowledging the visuals, guys, for those of you listening to the audio. But yeah, no, I was, you know, taking, it took, it took a very long time. And I think that's what you see a four-minute video. But what went into that was four days or what went into that was a week in that 10-minute long video. So like, there's a lot that you don't see that goes into making this one baby. There's a lot of parents, not just two. Yeah. Yeah. But in this case, for my channel, it was just me. I was just a single parent of all these babies I was making.

Oh, I'm alone. I'm just taking care. And then I got to meet my other parents. And I got to co-create. And that was exciting for me, stepping into a different world of creation, when it comes to lies on demand. And into the writers room and being able to work with all these mad geniuses who have these stories and ideas and experiences that I get to throw into my show and have these bouncing around the ideas and it was just so fun to be collaborative. Creating on what I did online was so fun and And it was exciting, but it was very isolating at the same time.

I was on my own, and I felt like I had to be on my own. And that was the rectangle that I had to break out of, or the box, I say rectangle, because that's what you're watching on your phone, right? That's how you're watching your little baby movies. So that was me breaking out of just being this solo act. I did the opposite of what Beyonce did. I found my destiny's child. I created my destiny with others. And then we made children together.

So I got to make this whole show with all these incredible creatives. And for them to be willing to work with me and put up with me, I'm so lucky because it was fun to produce and write and be in that writer's room for hours instead of alone in my living room on the couch and being in production and figuring out how we're going to do this as a team instead of me dragging around that tripod and they're both equally as amazing and those experiences made me who I am and gave me the experience and knowledge that I needed to transition over into traditional quote unquote traditional because I think everything's just entertainment now. But get this traditional digital. Let's blow that line and call it.

Thank you for saying that. Yeah, that's what I've always tried to do no matter what I do in my career. Like, I want to blow that line. Like, we'll Smith's doing like, he's, he's, we'll Smith is my favorite YouTuber. Like, which is crazy. That's wild, right? So to blur that line and just call it entertainment's exciting. But yeah, all those experiences helped me into this new one.

And I'm grateful for anybody who's willing to watch and join me on the journey as I evolve. Yeah, 100%. We'll all be watching for sure. I want everyone who's listening to what. Thanks for the views, views. Yeah, no, I think we should watch it just because I think it's what's interesting for all of us.. I think it was just because I think it's,

what's interesting for all of us, and especially those of you who have already been a part of your audience for years, and those who are new to your audience, it's like, I think we're getting the fortune of watching creators evolve. Like that's special. Yeah.

Like I'm not meeting you, or like people are not meeting you when you got your first big break. People are being able to watch the whole journey, the growth, the evolution of someone. And I'm like, imagine you got to do that with Leonardo DiCaprio. Imagine you got to do that with, I don't, Leonardo DiCaprio is one of my favorite people in the world. Just like, imagine you got to do that with someone. Like, you got to what someone grow and evolve and take the next step and you know all of that stuff. And I think that's special to be able to have that with someone. And so when I'm seeing you and I'm like, you see Vine and then you

see YouTube and then you see like you got your own show and like then you're hosting Nickelodeon. It's like you're getting to like we're getting to be a part of that. And I think if all of us should be making the most of being a part of those journeys because those are stories you get to tell in the future, those are things that you can't join someone of their star of their journey ever again. Sure, sure, there you go. And not that this is a star of your journey at all,

but I mean like, you know what I'm gonna get to be a part of this part of your journey without watching it now. Yeah, and you can always go back and watch it and see where I came from. And actually, I've never deleted anything on Instagram. Never? Ever, you can go back to my very first post,

you can go back to everything that I've ever created. That's impressive. And go find a vine. I didn't have an option. They just deleted the whole thing. It just died. You tried. I tried.

I tried to keep it alive. Couldn't. I went over it to YouTube. Whoops. But yeah, no, I, it's exciting to see that whole journey. And there was something that someone said to me that I believe it was someone that worked with Nicole Kidman who was, you know, we knew her as this movie actress

and that she started doing big little lies. And, you know, people were hesitant to walk up to her as a movie actress, like seeing them, you're paying to seeing Nicole Kidman on the big screen. Like there's this level of like, there's a filter in between you and her, like you feel like it's, you can't touch her. Um, then when she was on big little lies, she stepped into the living room

into the homes of so many. And apparently people would, you know, come up to her and say, I love your work and immediately go in for a hug without asking Nicole Kidman, can I give you a hug? And it was just immediate connection. And she was confused by it because, you know, to go from people not speaking to you for whatever reason and then to being a part of their family and sitting down and being a part of their story,

she was shocked by it because there's a level of comfort there now. Now creators, we are with you. We are on the toilet with you. We are in bed with you. I have slept with people I don't know about. And it's wild to me how intimate that experience is and how intimate it is to share your story,

be of vlogs or whatever and you're seeing behind the curtain more than ever now. So it's exciting. That's why all these celebrities too are wanting to get into YouTube and show the process. So fingers crossed Leonardo DiCaprio has a YouTube channel. Now again, which will save the planet too. I mean, that would be the best.

Yeah, that would be so cool. That would be so cool. Tell me about, you've said before that life has been, and when I'm feeling energy today and I'm sensing, as you're in a great place, like things are exciting and everything, but you have said before, like, you know, life is like equal parts joy, equal parts pain. Tell me about that about that. What does that mean to you and how do you process that and how does that help you grow? Oh, man. I mean, you wouldn't know the joy without the pain. I am

I am full in my power right now. And I feel good and I feel proud of everything that I've worked on, everything that I am and have become. But there were many, many times where I was just living in shame. And spiraling of sorts of like, who am I and trying to identify myself and what I am and what I'm doing and what I'm meant to do. And I feel like that's a description of your 20s. It's so true.

It's so true. So true. Thank you. Thank you for saying that. I'm really like, I'm ready for 2020. I think I'm going to tease a series that I don't even know if I'm going to do it, but I can't wait to be like in the 20s. Living in the 20s. But I work on it. We'll figure it out.

Feel that guys. Feel the editing. I'm going to manifest it. Do it. Please do it. I know where you live. Please do it. Please do it. I will try it because I really know what you live. Please do it. Please do it. Please do it.

I will try, because I really want, I wish there was some kind of guidance for my 20s outside of my sisters who have helped me so much. Shout out to them. But yeah, they, you know, it's such an interesting time where you're like trying to identify yourself and like go on through high school again, like what group do I belong to? Do I sit at this table? Do I sit at that table? But for you, it's in your 20s and there's no distinguishing, like, I'm in high school again, like what group do I belong to, do I sit at this table, do I sit at that table, but for you it's in your 20s and there's no distinguishing like, I'm in high school, now I'm in college and now that's why I'm not friends with that person because

we went to different high schools, but now it's just like life. And now it's just like, oh, I'm not friends with that person because we just, we grew apart temporarily or maybe it, maybe just for life and that's okay because they served a purpose in my life at one point and I've learned from them and I've loved them and every experience of them but like no longer does and so it may be and maybe life will bring people back together at some point but I definitely lived in such shame of myself and that was from unfortunately reading comments online for a little bit too was receiving feedback and and quote-unquote because it's not validating, but quote-unquote validating, a feeling that I was already internally feeling but from an

external source which was all these comments online and I was like, oh, they're seeing me, they're seeing me, I don't know what they're seeing me. And allowing myself to, you know, feel those feelings and lean into those feelings and let myself sit with them and figure out why I'm feeling that what's the root of the problem? Instead of shoving it down even further and not allowing myself to feel it, because society tells us, you can't feel or put out anything but being happy.

And that's why I'm glad for this, I'm so happy for this generation, this younger generation who knows and they're learning through media that has become even more vulnerable through people like you who have encouraged us to allow ourselves to infuse every feeling and experience it and figure out what exactly is going wrong and what childhood trauma did I go through and which it's bleeding into adulthood. And so allowing myself to sit and journal and meditate or whatever solutions you may

find for yourself. I did that, and I'm glad that's what I did in that year too, was give myself that time. And I've come out of the fire being this phoenix. Just like, cool! Like, you're like, ready to serve the world because I gave that time and I served myself. And that's what I want to do is be generous of the energy that I've harvested for myself and give it to others so but yeah that definitely there's a time I think it was at the continuing conference where I was just I was not feeling the utmost myself and or myself and

I it wasn't wasn't my strongest place but even just sitting with you in that moment and you just like kind of empowering me and through what I do, I was like, oh, he sees something, I don't see right now. Oh, I see what he sees one day, you know? Like you were just, you were so kind and so giving at a time that I really needed it. And so I thank you for that.

And my nostrils are flaring, I'm trying to hold back tears, because there is a visual podcast you can't hear about shaky voice. But I was grateful for that. I really, really my shaky voice, but I was grateful for that. I really, really, really grateful. And I was grateful for the strangers that smiled at me at a time where I couldn't smile myself.

Yeah. Yeah, that's so beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. I think it's so important for people to hear that. Because, and I loved what you said, that I do think that we're at a time when your generation, especially, and this generation right now,

is allowing itself to explore. And I think when I remember, even with me, and I'm only, you know, a little bit older than you, but yeah, all right, I'm only, yeah. Yeah, that's it. Been like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's like, I remember thinking that my 20s,

I was told anyway, my 20s had to be when I figured it out. Like it was already figured out. Like by the time you finish college or university, you have to have it figured out. And I went off and became a monk. So I totally went off. Like if there's any way to say, I don't agree with the system, it's becoming a monk. It's like, you know, that's like completely anti-establishment. It's totally rebellious.

Like I always said, becoming a monk is one of the most rebellious things I could have ever done. Because it's totally anti-the systems and the establishment. It's like basically saying, I don't value material things. And so when I went off and did that, I spent, and that's why I can testify and totally grew with everything you're saying, I spent my whole 20s figuring myself out and learning, not that I figured it all out and that I'm done now, but at least one phase of that cycle was what I dedicated my 20s to. Like I made my first video when I was 28. Wow. That was one of my first 29, 28, 29s, two, three years ago was when I made my first video. And that was the first time I'd made any

piece of media. Yeah. And but I'd come, it was coming from a place of, I've just spent my 21 to 28 just reflecting, thinking, meditating, figuring stuff out, intention, reflecting. It wasn't just like, it wasn't just like, oh yeah, let's make video. You know, it wasn't like that. And I think hearing you say that is so beautiful

because I think that applies to whenever anyone who's listening or watching has that reflection. Yeah. So if you have that reflection at 30, that's your 20s. If you have that reflection at 40, that's your 20s. Yeah, you know, it's like, there's no number on it. No, none. And you're constantly, you're forever be a student. Like you're constantly learning

and you're constantly like trying to figure out, you're always trying to figure it out, whatever it may be, and to not have it figured out is comforting to come to as a solution. At least for me, is it being like, oh to not have it figured out is comforting to come to as a solution, at least for me, is it being like, oh, you know what, I don't know. Someone asked me what they thought my, someone asked me, what's your purpose, what do you think your purpose is? I was like, multi-purpose.

I'm like a cleaner of sorts. I can do hardwood floors or glass surfaces. Like I don't know, I'm trying to figure that out. Like I don't have a figured out. And I'm okay with that. So I think like that learning and unlearning of what you've learned before, like it's constantly changing as our world around is changes, right? And I think the, I think the challenge that we set ourselves up for, which were you doing

articulating so well is when we're in the process of reflection, figuring it out, introspection, whatever that may look like, it doesn't have to look a certain way, that's the place we're gonna be forever anyway. You just don't wanna be in the place of either saying, okay, I found it and I'm done, or I'm not even gonna bother to be in the process, because I think those both extremes can be quite isolating and scary when you're like, okay, I'm done now,

I know I found my purpose, I found it, and I've been at times in my life where I actually was on that end where I was like I know exactly what my purpose and I know exactly what I'm doing Yeah, and that also makes you go backwards And then yeah, like you don't want to be I look at you and I'm like, he's got to figure it out like I'm over here I'm okay without figuring it out but Jay let me tell you about Jay He's no, he knows everything. No, and I'd say I always think life is in percentages. Like I think life is percentages.

I don't think life is ever 100% or 0%, it's 99%, it's 87%, it's 93%. Like everything is proportionate, right? It's not like you've got it. There are times in my life where I'm like, okay, I'm 95% on track, but there's 5% I've got to leave that space to figure out more and to get to the next phase and learn and grow. But if I ever go, okay, I'm 100% on track, but there's 5% I've got to leave that space to figure out more and to get to the next phase and learn and grow.

But if I ever go, okay, I'm 100% done now, then it's kind of like, well, then I don't need to, then I don't need to be or do it. That's a conke out. Totally, yeah, exactly. Your higher power is like, okay, is your time? Exactly, and I think it's just making, I just want to be always shifting my percentage in the right direction, but I don't ever get to a point where it's zero or 100. Yeah. It's beautiful, 100. Yeah. You know, so it's beautiful.

I love that. Yeah. I just think like life is phases and phases change and naturally you're going to go through different transitions in your life. Yeah. And I just think that we, we try and get out of transitions quickly, but transitions are the time to spend time in. Like that's where you want to spend your time is in the transition and get it right.

Yeah. Because when you rush a transition, you end up at a destination you don't want to be at. Right? So, right? I don't know, you're inspiring me right now. I'm just saying this face to face. I'm just trying to validate what I'm hearing you say at 23. And I'm like, I'm 31 now and I'm listening to you

and I'm like, that is exactly what I was doing when I was like 23. I was a monk, so we were practically the same. Like, you know, we did the same thing. But, you know, that's what, this is what you wore as a monk. It's where I wore, I was like, oh, yeah, the nails. It's like, yeah, yeah.

The acrylics, it's like one. But no, it was the same process. That's what I'm loving hearing about. Yeah, yeah, well, thank you. Thank you, thank you. I'm glad, I mean, that's crazy that that's a process that you have to, you see, you're actually, maybe say process.

Process. I say process, yeah, process, yeah, process. That's a process process that you have to go through and you never you kind of never stop going through it. What percentage would you say you're at today? That's so you put me on this. This is my podcast. This is not your idea. I'm definitely in the I'd say in the 80s and the 90s. So like, yeah, 80s are the, I was glowing. Like, yeah, you know, 80s and 90s.

And it's getting closer, but I'm never looking for, and I think you've said this beautifully, like multi-purpose. I think that's a great, and we've got to change the podcast name, guys. It's not on purpose, it's multi-purpose. Like, but I think that I resonate with that. Yeah.

Like I get what you're saying there, right? I think that what you do. Yeah, and I think that I resonate with that. Like I get what you're saying there, right? I think that what you do. Yeah, and I think that your purpose should always evolve, because if it's not evolving and you're not giving it space to grow and change and deepen, then you're just stuck doing one thing or believing one thing. But you only should do one thing. You only should do and be and achieve one thing. And then I'm less like, but that's not real. And I've not seen the greats do that. And I've not seen people I admire

do that. And also I just don't think that's realistic. So, but I feel very on purpose. And that's why I call the podcast on purpose is because I always want to feel am I on purpose? Like, am I going in the right direction? You know, is, you know, and that's how I feel. And my life is very on purpose. And everything's intentional. Yeah. But it's not all figured out. And I think, you know, and that's how I feel. And my life is very on purpose and everything's intentional. Yeah. But it's not all figured out. And I think, you know, you can figure out the intention, but you can't define or you can't expect a result. Yes.

Does that make sense? I don't know if any of that makes sense. But I mean, it's insane is that you say the most profound, prolific things. And you're like, did that make sense? No, but I'm being serious because I'm just flowy and saying stuff and I'm like, does that, oh, the flow made sense, man. I'm so glad you're recording.

Like, I'm glad it's being recorded so you know, you can look back and be like, I'm a genius. Yeah, that was a good episode. This is a good episode because of you. But the other thing that really that stuck out to me was this whole process that I was thinking about of, you have often mentioned that you even experienced like social anxiety, right? And you talk about it a lot, you address it a lot. And I think when people

first see you and like what you're saying about me, like when I see you and again what you've done, it's like you're like, I don't know, the lies is like confident. Like she's got to figure it out and the same way you're saying about me, like when you see me, like, how about Jay's got it figured out. And it's like I think when people hear us me like when you see me, like, how about Jay's got it figured out. And it's like, I think when people hear us, like when I'm like, no, actually it's percentages and I'm figuring it out, it's not only good for everyone to hear that.

It's good for me to know that, but for you to say, hey, I'm a social media person, but I've actually experienced social anxiety. Like walk me through when you felt comfortable saying that, but more importantly, like what have you seen as helped you with that or how have you managed that? Oh man. Oh man, good question, that's deep.

Okay, we'll be back in 30 minutes. And we don't have to go into this. We'll be back after this short commercial break. That's actually 30 minutes long. No, I believe I'm trying to pinpoint the exact moment where I became comfortable. I think I made a video about anxiety and it was my social thoughts and it was very like surface level of, you know, I was trying to bring integrating humor into actual like social

anxiety commentary or social commentary. And it was tough for me. It got especially interesting or controversial in the comments because we were like, that's not anxiety or that's not how I experience anxiety. And we all experience it in different ways, right? There's different, different, I don't even want to say levels because no level is worse than the other because it's just your own experience

and it's your interpretation of life or social interactions or, you know, some people have anxiety about death and like I've talked about many different types of anxiety. But I think that was the moment in which I thought comfortable and appropriate in a time for me to speak out about it was creating that video. But I do have social anxiety and I think speaking about it and even hearing people like yourself who appear to have it all figured out just like I even said, no, Jane knows everything.

To hear that, that you do or experience anxiety or nerves, it disarms people. And it just allows them, it humanizes you and allows you to know that you experience these other emotions outside of the confidence that I also admit, emit. And it's what I strive to do is to show people that you can feel confident no matter what situation.

But my social anxiety definitely became like even social media anxiety. And I was like scared to put myself out there online, in which I was scared to put myself out there in real life. And it kind of went hand in hand. And I will say with like my social anxiety, I even was nervous coming here today. I'm even nervous. I fluctuate and flow just throughout the course of this podcast.

I'm like, yo, I said that. And that was dope. Wait, I can't say anything that tops that. I have to have something else more profound. I got to whip out Google real quick and quote Gandhi real fast. Or something. I need to peak. Like there's waves, ebb and flow of your mind and so many thoughts happen per second per minute. And you know, I, with my social anxiety, I also have a little bit of de-realization where I do realize and I question reality. I think that's my creative side of my brain going and being like, is this real?

Is this a curative theory? And you're like, what was then my drink earlier? Just like, you know, you have Evan Flow of like confidence and then lowered confidence. And that can happen within the span of five minutes or a couple of days or a couple of years. And you might stay down low for a little bit, but the fact that you know you can come back up.

And when you are low to know, to think of times where you felt high and to experience that gratitude, that you know you can feel that happy. That's what I cling on to most. You cling on to most. You can't feel any other feeling but gratitude when experiencing gratitude. I'm so thankful for that because in my times of darkness, I just feel grateful that I know what light feels like. And so that's what I hold on to at all times. But I forgot the question again.

No, no, no. There was the heaven flow right there. Just me were like, I think I said that way. That's like me, like saying, does that make sense? That's why it does that. You give what I'm saying? For those words? Yeah. Yeah. Like, because in my mind, you just sound like random words. The other way.

No, no, no, you have answered the question. I think that's, I love the way that you even brought it into this podcast. And I think that's why we look to make, we try to have short of phone calls, we try to message people instead of meet them. Like this is all part of that anxiety because trying to be interesting for a long period of time is tough.

Like, you know, we put that pressure on ourselves of like, oh crap, like I don't think I can go on this date because I've got to be interesting for 30 minutes on a date whereas if I just message her or him, then that's going to, you know, whatever it is. And so I feel like we avoid, and I think just the fact that you just mentioned sitting, you're right now, you are sitting on a podcast talking about how you felt anxiety on this podcast. Freaking out.

Right. And the ebbs and flows. And I think that's awesome because I think the beautiful thing is that when we lean away from our anxiety, that's when it gets scary. Because we just ignore it, we try burry it, we try like push it away. But when you lean into it and you're like, oh, I can see you, like I see you, I'm aware of you.

And I know where I feel you and when you appear in my life. And I know that gratitude is gonna help me. And how do you recall those grateful moments of you feeling that light? Is that, have you written them down? Do you have an amazing memory where you're remembering them? Is it something you're wearing? Like earlier, you were talking about the t-shirt with the,

the, you know, the humble be brave. Be humble be brave. I have a lot of like shirts like that that like something just like wearing all these colors makes me feel bright. Like it's kind of like a costume depending that helps me feel what I'm feeling on the inside and kind of accentuates that. So yes, I do wear like a lot of shirts that say like be grateful, be humble, be this, be that just as a reminder to me and anybody who's you know, receptive to reading my shirt. Whoever has really good eye spikes, that is really tiny and

minimalistic and ecstatic in the middle of your shirt. But no, I have a journal, I journal a lot, I journal, I also do the most millennial thing where I video diary and I make videos and I make videos in my time of even darkness where I kind of like get analytical and explain to myself how I'm feeling. Are these the videos we're seeing or you make progress? These are not the videos. Yeah, that's what I was saying.

I've seen videos you've put out. I'm just like, yeah. And those are more, those are my more like lighthearted videos, obviously, that I put out there into the world. But I do have these like very intense videos where I'm like trying to figure out why I feel a certain way. And it's just for me to kind of have. It's like a personal video.

But I'm constantly making content. It's just a matter of whether or not you see it. But for me, it allows me to like emotionally release because I don't think any millennia has good handwriting. We do not pick up pens or paper. Pants, I just, the books in here are freaking me out because they're not a paper cuts that can happen. It's a dangerous place we're in right now, guys.

But like I don't journal as much as I do video journal, I guess, or I make these own, my own versions of podcasts that I'll never release. But they are audio, audio of me just like working things out. And I see myself slowly get to like a place of comfort and positivity and light again, you know, as I, you know, work through, you know,

the feelings of darkness kind of things. So I eventually get myself back. But it is, I had had said a lot of reminders. It's your post. It's literally your post that remind me and feed me because I even said before that your feed can sometimes star view of reality of what real life is because we're constantly scrolling and looking down

and like you're looking down. I cannot feel down. That's, you know, and so, right? I cannot feel down. When you're looking down at somebody else, live their life and you're That's, you know, and so, right? I cannot feel down when you're looking down at somebody else, live their life and you're busy watching, you know? So, I fed my feed when I was going through that time to make sure I had that positive and perspective, you know, from others who were willing to share their stories.

And I knew, you know, this is, my problems are so small. And I'm, everything, what I'm going through is, yes, my reality, but it's so small and compares into like how big the world is. And there's so much to see and love and experience. So, yeah, those are my- I love those. Those are such practical tips.

I love that. I think the video journal is such a great idea. Yeah. I personally prefer audio and video journals to written ones. Really? Yeah, I actually do, because, hey, I think you're right, is such a great idea. I personally prefer audio and video journals to written ones. Really? Yeah, I actually do, because, hey, I think you're right,

that the handwriting point definitely, but also just the patience to build a written life, I think because we've not been used to it growing up, especially your generation, even more so the younger millennials. Yeah. And it's, we're not used to it as much. So being able to talk it out,

and also what I think is really powerful is, when you talk it out and then you listen as if you're listening to someone else, you can then hear your problems from a more objective point of view. And so I actually think what you're saying is perfect. I think doing video or audio recordings are such a brilliant way of journaling.

And I think you can hear yourself in your voice. And when you talk it out, it's like, I think that's such a smart move. And I've not heard many people say that, but I definitely feel it's, I definitely feel that's a huge, huge thing. I recommend anyone who's listening and watching right now, if you've struggled with journaling in a written form,

please take Liza's tip on doing audio and visual journals. Oh, thank you. And it's such a great thing to be easily looked back upon. Thank you. Yeah. And Jay's tip too, because you do it as well, which is it's nice. It's sometimes I'll go back and I'll watch myself, like not in my power.

And I'm like, I want to give her a hug. And that's the most like feeling of self-compassion. You got to remind yourself of too. It's like, oh, like, it's OK. Girl, it's going to be all right. Like I promise you, I'm here right now. And everything inevitably turned out just OK. But if you are going to be just fine.

And then I also make videos for myself where I am fully in my power and feeling confident and make a video saying, yo, this, remind yourself of this. You just go right here and like, I look like I was making a TikTok. Plug TikTok. That's great. But like I make videos like that even,

just to remind myself in times of when I'm feeling not so not so hot And I'll go watch that and be like yeah, I know she exists. I can get back to her She's in within me at all times. All right cool It's nice. Yeah, exactly you mentioned earlier that you've learned a few things from your older sisters Yeah, I mentioned over you. Thank you sisters. Tell me about some of the things you've learned from both of them. They warned me About the 20s. Oh That's good. They warned me about the 20s. Oh, that's good. They warned me. They were in the 20s.

That's good. Yeah, sister. I like that. I don't know. Yeah, but go on. Sounds like a good book. Yeah. But yeah, no, I they warned me about 20s being at tough time. And I was 18 was like, well, I went through whatever I needed to go through because I'm fine. Don't worry. I got to figure it out. Then 20, it'd be like, it'd be like, it's funny, I actually went in for this sidebar. Yeah.

As always with my attention deficit disorder. But I went in to get tested for attention deficit disorder. And they told me, you, you don't have A to D. No, we can't give you any medication for that. But you don't have anxiety. Good luck.

It's like, that was it. That was the end of that doctor's appointment. And I was like, what? I was 18. I was like, what? I don't know what you mean. Then 20th birthday hit me. And I had the utmost anxiety. I just moved out to LA. I was experiencing all this new life experiences for the first time in anxiety. Just like came at me. So it was definitely them, you know, warning me about 20s and then just allowing, they told me that like, I think my middle sister, Olivia told me that things are just like temporary. Like you have to understand that there's a lot that's that's temporary.

So with that knowledge, no to appreciate the moment when it's there and be very, very present when it's there. That's the ultimate goal. Another sidebar. Dogs are amazing. That seemed random, but dogs. My brain had to run from like my left hand side of my brain to the right hand side. Do you feel like what? Other sidebar, I'm having sushi tonight.

Well, like, sidebar, the dog thing, it's because dogs are so present. They're so, they're so just there. They're there with you at any moment. They just want to love and be loved. That's all they do. So whenever I say present, if you need a grounding presence, it's at the hog sometimes. So that's another tip. If you just go find a dog, go to an adoption place

and go pet one, just be present with that moment. But yeah, with that information, that things are temporary to know that this moment doesn't define you, it's not who you are, and that it's too sharp ass. And then also temporary being experienced, that moment be grateful that you're there. And so that's what I took away from my sister. It's not grateful to both of them.

That's beautiful. I usually talk a lot crap about them. So this is good. This is good. This is good. Just before family holidays. Family holiday and one and a half weeks. Yeah. Hi. By the way, they're all such like my whole family is like such a big fan of yours. I'm trying to figure out the right moments to geek out. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I'm not sure. I think you're like a cooler shade of brown. Like I'm not sure like if you got a cooler wedding.

I'm just saying it's like 50 shades of brown at every wedding. I'm tanned right now too. This is not the real me. You're a white boy aren't you? No, I'd love to meet them. I genuinely love to meet them. They would be amazing. It would be so nice.

I love meeting people's families because I think, you know, like you took such a big move to move away from your family. Like I know it was hard doing it, 28. Like, as an overall, I mean, I left earlier when I went to university and became a monk and stuff, but I think, like, you leaving at 19, 20 to come to LA. Yeah. Like, LA is a big, crazy place. Yeah.

And they tell me, but it seems like you've attracted the right people around you here. Like, I feel like you've kind of, you've built a unit or a squad of people that, you feel very happy around. Yeah, understand me and I understand them. How did you get to want to figure out who was right to have around you? Like, how did you get, because I don't think, I don't believe people are good or bad.

I just think there's right people to have around you and there's times when it's not the right people to have around you, but how did you get a sense of figure out who you wanted around you? Like, what was it? Yeah, that was it? Yeah. That was, I mean, there's like this almost instinctual, like gut feeling of just like energy and like, sounds like such an allay word, but that aives well, like vibes that you get from a person and you just know that that's, that those are your people.

You feel the utmost sense of comfort and strength, even within the first interaction, in the first minute of meeting them. And you're like, oh, you are someone I want around because you keep me in my power and you believe in it, even if I don't. And that's what Courtney Carter, my manager, CMG Carter McGeer. Love you, Courtney. Love you, Courtney. You're listening, girl, she's proud of me.

She's here right now. She's like, well, she's being real vulnerable. Good for this. She, you know, she is my manager, but also just like my partner in crime, my producing partner, my best friends, and I spend so many moments with her, that I'm so grateful for her period. She's awesome. She's amazing. And you even know, going out to dinner with just, you just know how much of a grounding

and powering person she is and what a present she is when she walks into the room. So I, you know, meeting her, one of the first days that I was out in LA, and it was just by chance, by fate, by destiny, by everything, the stars are lining and just me meeting her and finding like my left brain. Yeah, I say I'm the right brain. I get to be creative and crazy and we're all these colors. And then she is the left brain who keeps me, keeps me in line and supports me and like tells me this is logical and this is not normal.

Yeah, because I was being emotional. I loved that you had her and she had you. Yeah. Like I loved it. Like I've said that to a million times, I was like, I'm so glad that someone has amazing as Liza is with you. Oh. And I'm so glad that Liza has someone like you. Like, you know, both ways around. Like, I just think it's awesome.

And I think that it's so important, what you just said, like, whether it's left and right brain or the right souls, that whatever it is, like, however you want to word it, it's so important to have those complimentary people around us. Yeah. Because it's so important to have those complimentary people around us because it's hard to find. It's not easy at all.

And to have found it on your first day, I mean, that's insane. Insane, I mean, that's, ooh, someone's looking out for me. I'm just saying, I think. That's beautiful. That's been working, man. And he brought many, many angels into my life. So I'm thankful for it.

And she introduced me, I think, I can't remember. I'm a fake fan right now, but she introduced me to you, I think. Yeah, absolutely. And that's like, that was just, it's also those people that introduced you to even more good people, that it's just a chain reaction of goodness. And becomes like this whole family that you, you know, you got to choose.

And I'm just lucky. I'm just really, really lucky. Yeah. It's beautiful to hear that. You deserve it, lucky. I'm just really, really lucky. Yeah. It's beautiful to hear that. You deserve it though. I'm happy for you. Thank you. You're very happy for you.

I love you. Thank you. And I only want more amazing people to come and find you and be with you. I wish you the same. And I curse you with all happy people when you're like good people. I want to dive in and more into the show specifically.

Yeah. I have the next season because I think it's exciting from a viewers point of view. I'm sure it's exciting from a creative, like you said, the budgets go better. Everyone's gonna get to see you where less clothes, which is interesting and intriguing. Like I was like, we got a good editor.

Yeah. The editor has fully seen me, but we do have a good editor who censored everything. So don't worry, you're getting a taste. There's some left up to the mystery. I love it. Tell us about what has evolved in your character in the season two.

What are we excited to see about your character? I'm excited because it's just kind of, it isn't a reflection of my own personal life. So like, Liza in this show has gone on many, or is going on dates and like is going out and like, ooh, she's like, that's not gonna boys and stuff. I'm working on that in real life. I don't have any dating apps.

I'm not your average millennial. But, but, but meeting people organically, just going to coffee shops and just ordering from the barista, like, hello, how are you? How are you? Go to coffee shops. No, no, you, no, I can No, I can't. I totally can. I totally can. It's really fun.

I love meeting everybody that I run into in prison. It's cool to have, but yeah, I gotta try to find me a man at a coffee shop. No, no, no, no. But no. Nice head over to the coffee shop. Starbucks on the brim. Yeah.

Plug. But no, I think for Liza on the show, she's romantically evolving and like allowing her, or emotionally evolving and allowing herself to go on these days and have fun. She is a little bit more established in her career. And so it's her becoming comfortable with what she's doing and being confident in what she's doing.

And there's more clarity for her. She's just having fun. She's just like, she's like, no, it's what she's up to now. And she's like, okay, now it's gonna like, go boss the wall or over to the wall if you will. With whatever she's doing. So she's just having fun.

I love that. I love that. You went in career there as evolving. Do you feel like the show's helped you found a new found respect for Uber drivers and post-mint delivery people by playing the role? Oh yeah. Yeah.

Thank you for your service, everyone out there. Yeah. Literally, because those are the, those are the, those are the connective tissue of my life. Yeah. Postmates bringing me some food. It's crazy what we do, man. We hire personal assistants to these apps.

We are so lazy and also the most hardworking generation, I know. Like it's nicely, nicely done. Right. Little slapped the face and then I'll give you generation I know. Nicely done. Right? Little slapped the face and then I'll give you a spawn. Yeah, but like, it's wild like how we hire these people to do these jobs for us, for us to go about our day. And it's insane, but there, I've always had the best

Uber conversations and always like get to know them and they have many parts to themselves too. So like a lot of people I've seen, like a printed IMDB sheet in the back of somebody's Uber. No way. I'm not seeing one of those yet. He's like, yeah, I booked a couple jobs just by having my head shots here in the back seat.

Yeah. And like, I was like, oh that's cool. Other than woman had her daughter's head shots in the back seat. Now the guy was selling his mixed tape and I was like, yeah, respect. I'm not gonna buy it. But for some, $15, man. You got an audio demo. No one has a CD player. I have a CD player for this. But there's, I mean, there's so many

people and they're all out there hustling, so I appreciate and like thank them for what they do because I need them in my life. Yeah. What's your process for getting into character? Like I'm intrigued because you've played so many different characters in your own world that you explain. You play this new character. Like when I saw you win the Streamy last year, like your award acceptance speech was just the best. So if anyone's not seen it, go and find the video

on YouTube, it's up. And I'm gonna give it away anyway, spoiler alert. But Eliza literally starts it off. And I was like, wow, she is so sweet and adorable. And like, you know, she was just like, getting emotional, she was crying for winning this award. And then she switches it on, like the sass turns on, the, you know, the kind of like the beast comes out.

And she's like, the beauty, the beast. Yeah, and I loved it. And I was just like, yeah, like, how do you get into character? And like, what do you do? What's your process? Oh, man. What's your process?

Yeah. You're, uh, man, I'm trying to figure out, I'm not, I'm not no, uh, Danyl De Lewis. I'm not Danyl De Lewis. Yeah. I do not, I do not stay method and character, I don't like that. But I was, I guess you could say, a little bit method

this season in terms of my roommates who I cast last season a year ago. And I remember them stepping in and taking Skype calls with them and like casting them, they became my roommates in a real life this year. No way. I need to go. Glad if you don't move your stuff out of my room, but she was still living with me to this day at this moment. Oh my god. And Travis Coles, who's also, he also has an amazing show called David Makes Man.

Over with FreeZnetwork. I'm so excited for him. It's amazing. Yeah, and Kameka too, just, they're two brilliant beasts. And I didn't know I was casting my roommates, my real roommates, let alone people who became my best friends. Wow. And I'm so lucky in that sense too,

but it was the same like energetic energy when I met them too. I'm just like, oh, yeah, but it was the same like energetic energy when I met them too I'm just like, oh, yeah, you're gonna have to get used to you. You're gonna be around for a while So I put up with them and by around I mean the right next door Between the thin wall that I have my house is structurally sound we're doing well But I put either right next door in the other rooms and we would go home every night Read our lines together memorize together like candles and like either right next door in the other rooms. And we would go home every night, read our lines together, memorize together,

like candles and like do squats at the same. It was the most ridiculously L.A. thing when I looked in my living room and we were running lines and doing squats and eating dinner together because we had to get it all done at once because we shoot like 14 pages a day, which is like a gnarly amount of content to make in one day.

So it was just, it was fun. It was really fun. It was crazy. I don't know. That's not off. That's not common, right? Is it common for people who are on screen to go and become really, really good friends in real life? I've heard from others. Yeah, what have you heard? I'm intrigued.

I mean, I'm, I'm friends. So I was, I, I make friends with, like, I do my best, like, my friends with my friends. But I mean, she, because you always wondered that, right? Like, when you see on screen romance or chemistry and people are always like, oh, I wish they were together in real life. But even with friends, like, is that comedy?

Yeah, what have you heard? I've heard that, no. No, okay. It's a lucky, professional in it. Yeah. Series of fortune and events again, if you become friends, real life friends with your friends on screen and so it helps the chemistry all the more to like, like, we're on the clock,

but we're also just like in the house, just hanging out. And it's cool to like have that real life chemistry with them. So I love hope it shows on. No, and I think that's special. I definitely think that I think gets the same in sport. I think that's special. I definitely think that I think gets the same in sport. Like if you're playing on a team, and if you're not really friends with the people you're playing with, I mean, you can do the right thing,

but it makes a difference. It's how much you're gonna enjoy when you score, how much you're gonna enjoy, all of that, I think it affects the performance. For sure, because you're gonna be there. How long are you recording every day? Oh, truth. By the way, I was saying, yeah, at all that,

but I have no idea anything about sports. So I was just like, yeah. What you do, you just, you just had the Nike thing and Nike thing at VidCon. That was awful. You were playing football, soccer. You were playing real football. I was, I was, and it was, woo, it was an interesting.

That's why I brought a small thing. Yeah, I know. I was like, he thinks I get this right now. He thinks I understand. Keep nodding your head, smiling wave, smiling wave. Uh, no, I know. I was like, he thinks I get this right now. I think I understand. Keep nodding your head, smiling wave, smiling wave. Uh, no, I was so bad. I had no idea how to play soccer before. And they didn't tell me I was playing a full game.

I thought I was just doing warm-ups. So I went into a, for context, I went into a game of soccer at Nike or with Nike at VidCon and just like, I feel like I was very happy. I was really, really, really bad. Especially because Courtney is so good. Courtney's a perfect soccer player. So she was looking at me with, well, you know, can't all be good at things, you know?

Yeah. No, I love it. No, but I think that's the point I was making sports aside. Yeah. Was I do think that chemistry of real friendship shows on screen. True. And I think that's beautiful because how many days,

I was asking, how many hours are you filming per day? We film when you're filming how long does it take to create a little over we'll go over 12 hours sometimes in one day That's normal filming day in in Hollywood and industries like 12 hours And then if you go over that you go into overtime kind of thing and you're in your little trailer in between No, not really. No, I mean most most scenes Okay, like I jumped from one scene. Okay, we wrap that scene. We'll go straight into the next one. We'll go to another area and film that.

But it's 12 hours. Are you spending 12 hours with these people? It's great when they're your friends. Yep. It's really nice. I don't think you're nice. I guess a little awkward. But no, I'm lucky.

I'm lucky. We had so many conversations off camera on set. So it was really cool. That's awesome. I love that. I'm so excited to see how things are evolving and growing for you. I'm so glad that I've met you now. And I've got to know you now. I'm like, yeah, I do wish I knew you were 18, but I just our brown families didn't figure it out. But no, I'm glad that I've

met you now because I'm just so excited to see everything you do. Like I just think you're going to have this incredible personal and professional life for decades and decades and decades. And I'm just so excited to be your friend and be there with you throughout the journey and just see it just grow and excel even more and more and more. You're going to do incredible things. And I think both from a professional point of view, but I think also from like, the stuff you so effortlessly stand for. I think that's what's so powerful about you is that you so effortlessly stand for things.

I can show you a clean beauty thing recently. Oh, thank you. And I was just like, you know, it's like, I want you to talk about that. But I was just like, when I saw that, I was just like, you so effortlessly can stand for so many things, because they're just a part of you rather than having to be an activist

or an ambassador to the community. How do you see that responsibility that comes with having lots of following an audience versus like just doing what feels natural. How have you balanced that? Yeah, I feel like activism or whatever it may be, I support anybody who is standing up for something just to do that alone is just courage and bravery in itself.

But for me, it's just more so the way I was raised, the foundation I was raised on, the more rower that I was raised on and being eco, the more row that I was raised on and being, you know, eco-friendly as much as, as well as I possibly can. It's hard to do me. It's a lot of plastic. It is. Yeah. I love a good coaster. And like, you know, there's like, there's, there's many things that I, I appreciate and embody and, and hope to do that even with this clean beauty brand that is on natural ingredients organic. Like, the

story behind that is that, it's one I'm looking forward to sharing even more, but I had eggs in my growing up and Miloseko, which if you don't know what that is. I had eggs in the tube. Yeah, like everybody did. We had rough patches and like literal rough patches. We went through those rough patches

and now we found out like over time after many like product dating and testing, you figure out what works for your skin. And some people are like, yeah, just wash it with water. And you discuss me, get out. You save in so much money, damn you. But I started using same wine, which is the beauty brand. And it's an amazing brand that just is all natural ingredients. There's no animal testing.

And I hope that's a revolution in the beauty industry to just switch over into this entirely vegan line. Everybody's worried about the vegan food. They're consuming what they're putting on the inside, what about the outside, till your skin that sits on your face. So just to have that, I'm excited to embrace and encourage others and empower people to use,

you know, all that kind of veganism inside I know. Yeah, I love that. Although I'm not vegan, I won't lie. I love some chicken. I love that. Although I'm not vegan, I won't lie. I love some chicken. I love that. No, but it's it's awesome that I just I really I really mean what I said. Like I just think this is just the beginning. Even though for you, it probably feels like 23 years. Right. But it's like, it's like, I just started. Yeah, what do you mean? Yeah, like, you know, yeah, you're like, why are you putting me back at the beginning? Do you understand what I've done?

No, and I don't mean it that way at all. I really mean it in the sense of just like, I think you're just gonna, I think you're gonna have such a big impact on the world. And you already are in incredible ways bigger than most people have already. And I'm just so excited to see it continue and grow and evolve. And I just want you to know that right here is a friend and here for you. I want you to know that. Like I mean that because yeah, you're special and it's going to be so, so exciting to watch for all of us.

So I'm glad I get to witness. Thank you. Like, you have no idea, like, you say you're here for me, but you've been here for me. You have no idea, like, how many times you have, like, saved me in that sense of falling into, like, a pit. So I thank you for that. You were a hand when you weren't even physically there. But hey, so follow him on Instagram if you can.

No. But I don't want to see no more likes on Instagram. No, no. I want to see phone calls and voice notes. Yes, but that's what I want. I'm grateful for you, man. And I'm excited for you. Thank you for letting me be a part of your journey.

So I'm so happy to be here and be here. So we end every interview with what I call the for you. Thank you for letting me be a part of your journey. So I'm so happy to be here and be here. So we end every interview with what I call the final five. This is the final five quick fire rapid fire round. I promise you there were no surprises, but I lied. Oh, you did. And it's learning about me. Bring it, challenge accepted. Here we go.

So you can on-set max one word or one sentence. I know you're the queen of games. Yeah, that's way too long. You got no idea. This is your thing. So, okay, so question number one. What's your weirdest habit? Hmm.

Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. My weirdest habit, how much time do I have to answer? Oh, man, I think just life itself, maybe it's, um, oh, oh, the way I eat, um, um, the left and right twigs. I bite off all the chocolate and then I suck off the caramel and way I eat the left and right twigs. I bite off all the chocolate and then I suck off the caramel

and then I eat the cookie inside, as gross. I used to do this thing. Did you do it? I don't eat, go, it's brown and tell the right. I used to do this all the time. I used to do it with Kit Katz as well. I used to eat the surroundings and then eat the top layer. Yeah.

Yeah. This is on two notes. The best way to eat a twig. I get it. You get to enjoy it. You get to enjoy just the chocolate and just the caramel and just the other twig. I get it. You get to enjoy it. You get to enjoy just the chocolate and just the caramel and just the other beautiful together. I love it.

Okay, okay, awesome. That's question number one. Second question. If you could invent your dream barbecue sauce, what would it be made of? Oh my God. I was gonna just talk about this earlier. In texma, I mean in Texas, we have texmax.

You asked the perfect person this question. In Texas, we have this fajita meat that is marinated in pineapple and lime juice. This is not a one word answer, oopsies. And so pineapple, lime, some kind of tangy, sweet and sour sauce that also has a spicy kick at the end. I think that would be it. That sounds great.

Yeah, yeah. It's like a great sauce. Yeah, that's great sauce. Okay, but did you want the name for it? Or do you? Yeah, you you give me a name for it? Curious guys, but we put some kind of career in there. I love it. Something awesome question number three. This is actually I'll end this one. So

Who on your team is the one to tell you know like who's me? Yeah, I recently just I didn't found out about this word, no. And I started using it maybe when I was like 22. And I got really excited about it. Now I say no. I love it. Awesome, awesome.

I had to ask you this because I saw this years ago before we knew each other obviously because it was a while ago, but how does Obama smell? Like, he just smells like like really, really clean laundry. He just did it. He washed that shirt over and over and over again. So that when someone did ask what did he smell like, he was like, they're gonna say clean laundry. Yeah, he.

That's what he wanted. It's like a forest, like a mystical forest with like fog and Like a deer like in the distance, you know, it's a hat. Yeah He's incredible. That must have been awesome. What an experience is incredible when experience basically a like a dryer sheet in the woods That's what Obama's amazing. This is your fifth and final question Okay, so you said you like love this quote success is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm. So why that quote? Why is that quote so powerful for you?

Oh, I love that. I because I've and I think we all do sometimes with our self-doubt and whatnot we consider certain things or certain experiences or moments to be failures. And if you let that failure bring you down, sure you can spiral in. yes, I encourage you to lean into the feeling of whatever you're feeling. But if you allow that, if you won't let yourself live that moment down, you're going to just feel down forever. You know? And so to not lose enthusiasm and to keep believing in yourself and have this quote unquote delusional confidence, then you can keep going. And that's what makes you successful is not letting those moments of failures define you,

but just to keep going and believing that you have so much to say. And you're going to keep saying it no matter what your mind says about you, your mouth. I like to say that though. Recently, I've discovered that your mind can either live in the past or the future, but your mouth lives in the present and it speaks true.

Oh, that's so good. I made Jay Shetty, ooh. That's so good. That is so good. Yeah, you need to post that. I'm working on it. Yeah, go ahead and say it again, sorry, say it again. I got to cut you off.

I got too excited. Oh, you're good. I love that. It was a little chilly at the moment. Thank you, thank you. But like, your mouth speaks the truth and you're able to speak your reality. My mind might be saying, Oh, no, you're not doing well in the podcast right now.

You're not. This isn't what you're saying. It's not profound enough for Mr. Trevishani. No, my my my my my my mouth is saying a little bit of a starter. Well, my mouth is saying. No, I have something important to say. And I'm going to say it. And perhaps J. Will U and so he did. So that's not mine, the mind and the mouth, man. That's such a powerful way of putting it. I've never had anyone say that. That's amazing. I'll say things.

I'll say things. No, you said so many things. Like, first of all, I just want to say, everyone who's been listening and watching, there have been so many practical gems and wisdom drops that you've given everyone. Like, I'm going back to the ones that I've remembered and there's a ton more. and I want you guys to find them

and share your favorite ones on Instagram and tag us both. But here are a few that stood out to me. Disarm, don't defend or display disarm, right? This is what Liza was telling us when we meet someone, we can disarm the other person and disarm ourselves to be ourselves, delusional confidence. Liza was talking about like having the ability to just go beyond

what we think is possible and being able to realize that there's an aspirational version of ourselves. You're hearing the mouth. I mean, this mouth and mind is blown my mind right now. I'm like, I'm gonna use that everywhere I caught you, again and again. I'm gonna put it in my fork. I just peaked.

You're watching my peak right now, you know? I love that. I think it's such, it's so much truth because we believe everything on Mind says but if your mouth says something different you could believe that and that could change your mind like Absolutely, absolutely and this is one you can hear out loud. Uh-huh. So I love that. It's so many takeaways in this whole episode Thank you, Liza. We're so excited for Liza on Demons season two. I want everyone to go watch it on YouTube. It's it's gonna be amazing and I want everyone to watch it just to witness this incredible burst of energy and soul that that everyone gets to all the goodness and you've always said right like your

Content is always being to make people smile. Yeah, happy. Yeah, laugh. Give them some positive out there Yeah, and that's what Liza on Demons doing in a bigger better way. Yeah, thanks man. Yeah, appreciate them I'm not going to let you talk about today that you'd love to share or anything You like Jeremy wanted to share this but you didn't let me or I didn't get to oh Nah Shared more like I legitimately like shared more than I thought I was going to Amazing, okay, I want to ask you as a friend like as I'm looking out for my Amazing, okay, I want to ask you as a friend like as I'm looking out for my The stays in the podcast. I think we went everywhere. Yeah, no, it's

Okay, okay, no, I know when everywhere. I just I always asked that because I just want to yeah, yeah No, I want I want this to be good for you. So it's like like I told you yesterday like the whole goal with the podcast is people already Love you. How can they love you more like that's the goal? All right, that's all it is man Well, my people please anxiety loves to hear that can they love you more? Like that's the goal, right? That's all it is. Oh, man. Well, my people, please, I love to hear that. You can love me more. Okay. Well, yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thanks everyone for listening and watching. I'd love for you to pick

whichever Liza wisdom drops to that to you and put it on Instagram. Tag us, but so we can see what you've taken away. I love seeing what you're learning. I love seeing what you're growing through and remember, please, please, please go and support my amazing friend Liza for a new show, share the show with others. It's

going to be phenomenal to watch. I can't wait for you to see it. I'm excited to watch it myself. Thank you so much for listening. I'll see you again next week. you Hey, it's Debbie Brown, host of the Deeply Well Podcast, where we hold conscious conversations with leaders and radical healers and wellness around topics that are meant to expand and support you on your well-being journey. Deeply well is your soft place to land, to work on yourself without judgment, to heal, to learn, to grow, to become who you deserve to be. Deeply well with Debbie Brown is available now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Namaste.

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