On Purpose with Jay Shetty - LUKE COMBS: The Man Behind The Success (Marriage, Fatherhood & Life With OCD)

Episode Date: March 2, 2026

You can achieve everything you set out to and still feel empty. So what actually makes a truly successful life? Jay sits down with global country superstar Luke Combs for an honest conversation about life beyond the sold-out stadiums and awards. Luke shares what it’s really been like navigating success while still trying to stay grounded and feel like himself. He shares what it was like growing up with OCD, the intrusive thoughts that once controlled his days, and the quiet battles he faced long before fame. Luke also reflects on love, marriage, and fatherhood and how those roles mean more to him than any chart position ever could. He talks candidly about missing the birth of his son while on tour, the guilt that followed, and the ongoing effort to show up as the best husband and dad he can be. Jay and Luke explore the tension so many of us feel between chasing ambition and protecting what matters most, asking the question: What does success really mean if you’re not present for the people you love? Luke speaks about money, fame, and gratitude with humility, admitting that while financial success makes life easier, it can’t buy the feeling of a perfect day with your family or the peace of knowing you’re living in alignment with your values. In this interview, you'll learn: How to Stay Grounded When Success Changes Your Life How to Manage Intrusive Thoughts Without Letting Them Control You How to Be Present for Your Family While Chasing Big Dreams How to Strengthen Your Marriage Through Growth and Challenge How to Support Your Mental Health Without Shame How to Give Back When You’ve Been Given More How to Stay True to Who You Are as Your World Expands We all wrestle with doubt, guilt, fear, and the quiet pressure to be more than we think we are. But growth doesn’t come from pretending those struggles aren’t there, it comes from facing them with honesty and compassion. Luke Combs’ The Way I Am is an honest reflection on identity, love, and personal growth, a grounded collection of songs that explore what it means to show up as your true self. Get your copy here: https://twia.lukecombs.com 📷 Courtesy of David Bergman With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty JAY’S DAILY WISDOM DELIVERED STRAIGHT TO YOUR INBOX Join 900,000+ readers discovering how small daily shifts create big life change with my free newsletter. Subscribe here: https://news.jayshetty.me/subscribe   Check out our Apple subscription to unlock bonus content of On Purpose! https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast  What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 01:05 Staying Grounded in the Face of Fame 03:34 The Life He Never Imagined 06:28 Finding the Calling That Changed Everything 07:45 Growing Up with Undiagnosed OCD 10:23 Inside the Battle with Intrusive Thoughts 17:26 When You Don’t Know Who You Are Yet 20:37 The Work Ethic That Shaped Him 24:27 The Hustle Before the Breakthrough 30:19 Making Music That Truly Connects 32:21 The Quiet Fears of Fatherhood 40:15 What Does It Mean to Be Truly Rich? 46:28 Why Giving Back Matters 51:48 Showing Up for Fans on Your Hardest Days 58:48 The Unexpected Way He Met His Wife 01:03:04 Was It Love at First Sight? 01:07:12 When You Stop Needing All the Answers 01:12:08 The Power of Being Deeply Understood 01:17:16 Why Avoidance Makes It Worse 01:18:02 Stepping Back and Coming Back Stronger 01:25:55 The "Everyday Guy" Test 01:32:10 Finish This Sentence... 01:38:41 Luke on Final Five  Episode Resources: Website | https://www.lukecombs.com/home/  YouTube | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOSIXyYdT93OzpRnAuWaKjQ  Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/LukeCombs/  Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/lukecombs  TikTok | https://www.tiktok.com/@lukecombs  X | https://www.tiktok.com/@lukecombsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Today's guest is someone that I've been so excited to have on the show. I'm speaking about Luke Combs, Grammy-nominated, multi-platinum country artist, and one of the most successful musicians of his generation. His music is known for its honesty, heart and relatability, and has reached millions around the world. Beyond the success, Luke is known for his humility, his deep commitment, commitment to his family and especially his fans. Today he joins me to talk about fatherhood, mental health, and how he stays grounded through it all. Please welcome to On Purpose, Luke Combs.

Oh, yeah, thank you for having me, man. That was a heck of an intro. I got a lot to live up to, I feel like, you know. You did all of it. You lived all of it. You're doing all of it. I mean, it's amazing when, you know, I just met your team and they're wonderful and the way they speak about you is wonderful, but it's genuine. And I'm like, when I hear about your reputation, Your reputation precedes you. Sure. For this interview, I'm here. Looks the nicest guys.

I like hearing that. Has that been work? Has it been hard to stay grounded? Or is it just who you are? Yeah, I think it's both. You know, I think, and, you know, I've always thought that, you know, when you reach a certain level of success or what, I hate fame, I hate the word celebrity, I hate those words. They're weird. And they make me uncomfortable a little bit.

But it's reality. Like, I also accept it. and it's just weird to like say it. I don't want it to ever sound like a braggadocious thing. But I think when you get to a certain point, like the fame or the success or the influence, like it just kind of accentuates and exacerbates the inherent person that you are, right?

Like if you're, I think if you were a great guy and you become rich and successful and famous or whatever, like it gives you the opportunity to be more of who you already are. It gives you a chance to be more, or more passionate or more, I don't know, more narcissistic. If that was your, you know, if that's already, like, if you have a proclivity to be that way anyways, it just kind of inflates that.

It makes like the super version of who you already are, you know. But it does take a lot of work, too. Me and my team are really close. You know, everybody's like, oh, you know, we're a family out here. You know, it's like I hear that all the time. And I truly believe it. And I hope that everyone else that says that believes that too, but that's really the way that we try to operate.

You know, it's kind of like, you know, it's, you know, one for all kind of mentality on the road with us. And I think you, you know, I mean, it's not hard, in my opinion, to be kind to people. And maybe that's just because that's the way that I am, you know. And that's down to the doorman at the hotel or my manager. You know what I mean? Or, you know, it's like, in my opinion, it's not a difficult thing to do to just choose to be kind and be grateful for this. Even if I'm having a tough day, you know what I mean? I'm still go out of my way to be kind to people because I think, you know, it's an important thing to do. You know, it's every interaction that I have with someone from a random fan I meet at the grocery store to my kids, like every impression makes an impression, whether it's a, you know, it's a random fan. You know, it's a, you know, small one or a huge one, you know. And so I always just try to be really mindful of that in my

interactions with, with anyone. Did you ever believe this would be your life? Never, never. What did you think life was going to look like? You know, I was a, you know, if you would have asked me 10 years ago or 12 years ago, I would have been really afraid of the answer, you know, because I, I had no idea. I feel like I was kind of aimlessly floating. I felt like I was kind of checking boxes that were like, I felt like I was supposed to be checking, which was like, like I graduated high school and it was like, okay, what now? And it was like, well, you go to college. That's just what happens. Yeah, it's what you're supposed to do, you know. And so I went and did that and I had a great time in school. I really, I didn't like school. I liked being at the

school, but I didn't like be in being in school, if that made sense, you know. So I was doing a lot of that and I would spend a lot of time, you know, like I was majoring in business. And, you know, like I was majoring in business at the very beginning. And then I switched to criminal justice. And I enjoyed criminal justice a lot more than I enjoyed business. I just liked that. Like studying that, it was interesting to me. But it was still like, it just never felt quite right. You know, it was like, it just doesn't feel like, and I would get scared as every year would tick by in college. It was like, I'm going to be a year closer to having to make this, like, really important life decision that I'm like, don't feel prepared to make in any way or don't feel good about making.

And I didn't really, I guess, maybe understand or have the ability to process that at the time. It was just like time keeps going whether you want it to or not. And so you're just kind of like sitting like the light at the end of the tunnel gets closer, but it was almost the opposite effect. Like it felt like I was in this great place. Like I'm in school. I love my friends. I love the social aspect.

I enjoy being around people. people my age that are like-minded and having the activities I love to do. It was almost the opposite. It was almost like the darkness at the end of the tunnel was like this idea of like being a real adult and the college ends and then you're like, you basically just go into the workforce and then you're miserable for 30 years and then you retire. And it was like, it was so scary that idea of that because I hadn't found like something I was passionate about at that time.

And so it was a scary proposition to go like, when this ends, what now? You know what I mean? So that was kind of my experience there. And that was the way that I was living my life at that time. And then when I found, you know, when I picked the guitar up, you know, towards the end of my college career, it was like immediately all made sense. It like flipped. Like the whole script just flipped. It was like, then it was like, oh, like I'm almost out.

Like now I can go do the thing I want to. go do and it all made sense. But if I hadn't found that passion, I don't know what I would be doing right now, to be quite honest. And is that what it felt like? It felt like discovering a passion, like it felt like, oh, definitely. It almost felt like discovering what I was meant to do. It was like beyond a passion. It was like, well, this is what I was like meant to do. Like, this is what I was like put on earth to do is this thing. Just because I'd loved singing my whole life, man. It was like, it was a big part of my self-worth was derived from, like, my identity I derived from, like, this is the thing that I'm good at. Like, I'm not good at anything else.

As far as from a skill standpoint, I thought, oh, okay, well, I'm a good friend. Like, I'm a good son. Like, that stuff wasn't kind of, I felt confident in those things. But I didn't feel fulfilled in like, what will my role be in the world? Like what will I contribute to the world? And it never had to be some big thing. Like my idea of it wasn't, well, there's some. But I feel like if you're good at something and you have a passion for it,

you have this inherent sense of like I can contribute or make the world a better place in some way by doing the thing that I'm good at. I can positively impact people's lives by doing something that I love to do and being great at it and that can benefit other people in other ways. And music was my way of doing that. Yeah. What's like a childhood memory that you have that you feel defines who you are today? I think I have a tremendous ability to suffer. Wow.

Because of the OCD things that I've dealt with. I've talked about that stuff a lot, almost ad nauseum. Not in a negative way, but I'm very open about it. I'm not afraid to speak about it. But that was very defining for me. I had a great childhood. My parents were great, great home, hardworking. my parents are still married, they're still around. So I worry sometimes when I talk about like how tough it was being younger for me. And like I worry when my parents see these things that they think that that has some reflection of like them as parents. It doesn't at all.

You know, like they went above and beyond for me as parents. And becoming a parent myself has made me, I'm more thankful for them every day as I raise my kids because I realize how difficult it is and I realize how hard it was. And I've gained this great appreciation. even more so for them as I raise my own children. So I don't want them to ever get the idea that it was anything to do with them. But the whole nature of that kind of OCD, there's a lot of suffering and silence, right? And it's given me this really great outlook on, I know what bad is, dude.

Like, I've been to the bottom in here. And it's like, I'm not there, you know. I still have a proclivity to be able to go. there if certain things line up and, you know, I were to have an OCD moment or something, but those moments are few and far between and they're a lot shorter lived than they used to be. And I'm not afraid of those moments anymore. I lived my life when I was younger in fear of like, when is this going to come back? And why does it go?

I don't even know what it is at that time. It's like I wasn't like a diagnosed, you know. It was something I felt like I even had a hard time explaining to my parents. Like what they're like, what do you mean? You know, like they're not. I mean, they weren't, you know, they're not clinical psychologists, so they don't really understand, you know, and so I can't imagine how afraid they were at the time of like, well, I wish we could help our child. You know, I can't imagine how helpless you would feel. If my kids came to me with something that I didn't understand, I would be like, gosh, I don't even know how to explain, like, where do I even take them, you know? And so that was a really defining part of, like, my childhood, you know. It's not the only memory, but it's the one that kind of still. out as like this common theme, like, every couple of years I would go through these really brutal OCD stints without even knowing what was going on.

Wow. Do you feel comfortable talking about some of those days? Oh, certainly. Yeah. Certainly. I mean, like, days, like, filled with, like, rumination, you know? Like, a lot of, like, you know, people ask me about and what the experience is like, and I try to describe it to people, and it's almost, like, indescribable sometimes.

Like, I think they think. and not this is not a slight to anyone that may think this if you haven't experienced it you almost can't understand it to some extent and they're like well how how often it's like i'm talking about you know 95% of the day from opening your eyes to close them at night you are thinking about this thing and it's causing you a tremendous amount of anxiety and like mental anguish to try to like find the answer to this like unanswerable question It's scary because it's like you're so, I think it's helped my songwriting, and I think it's helped my ability to be creative. I think the creativity can be a blessing and a curse in that way. It can help me create scenarios in my mind that really don't have a leg to stand on, and I can build them into, you know, one world trade in my mind from nothing. And that can be really great in a songwriting sense. It can be really dangerous in like a mental health sense. So those days would be go to bet you close your eyes and you go, gosh, like I just hope in the morning I'm not thinking about this thing.

And the second, you open your eyes, it's the first thing you think of. And then you spend the entire day either thinking about it or trying not to think about it and hoping that it would go away and feeling hopeless and saying, why me? Why am I like this? What did I do to deserve this? Like almost having some, like, there's almost like an anger to it. A shame and guilt as well. Yeah, and you're just like, like this, like, because outwardly, like, the world around me was so great. I have this great, you know, these great parents that go out of their way to take care of me.

I have great friends. We have a nice home. It's safe. I have food to eat. I'm in a great school. I have great friends. I have a great life. I have talent.

I have drive, you know. But that would just, it would just, I mean, it's like basically, if every, you know, you thing in the room was so great and there was one pile of dog shit on the floor and all the lights went off and they just shined on the pile of dog shit. It was like that was the only thing I could focus on. You know, I hate to put it in such a crude way, but like, it's a great way. It's a great way it's like the room is perfect, but the dog pooped on the floor and all you have to do is clean it up, but you don't know how to clean it up and you can't get rid of it and it becomes the only thing you think about and it's like all you focus on and like you don't have the ability to focus on all

the good or even the mental capacity to be appreciative. of the good because you spend so much mental energy on the negative thing, the one negative thing. And what were those thoughts as a kid that kept taking over like that? So those themes, you know, they change every time. So like if you go through, let's say you go through a theme, you know, I'm sure you're aware of OCD stuff. It all is theme based, right? And you basically only have one theme at a time. It's funny, like let's say I was worried about, like if I was having intrusive thoughts about like committing violence.

against someone or something, and they're causing me all this stress, and I'm like, what does that mean about me? What does that say about me? And then if I switch, like, if my theme were to switch to the next day, I'm like, well, what if I was a schizophrenic, and I didn't know it? And you're like, and you're panicked, and you're completely panicked, and you're all consumed by that. I'm talking to in an instant, like, I would say I've been worrying about all this violent stuff, all these horrible thoughts and things that you don't want going through your head. The second I have that new thought of like, what if I, what if I'm schizophrenic, right? And then you go, instantly, you can think on all the violent stuff and go, well, that was

dumb. I'm not even worried about that at all. It doesn't even seem like something you ever would have even worried about. You're like, that was so stupid. Why did I waste three months of my life stressing about that thing? But when you're in it, it's not, like, you don't have the capability of, to turn it off. You know, I remember my dad would say, and this is no slight to him, And this is, you know, this is classic, like dad stuff. He'd be like, well, son just don't think about it. Yeah. And I'd be like, well, man, that would be great. That's kind of the whole point of like, well, that's what I'm trying to get to.

I'm trying to figure out how to do that. That's kind of the struggle, you know. And as no slight, because again, we, I'm undiagnosed. We don't know what's going on. Like, no one talked about it. We'll go out and take a walk, you know, and it's like, it's not that simple. You know, I'm sure that would have actually helped quite a bit. It's not quite that simple.

And so, yeah, I mean, you spend the whole day, like, I mean, there's days when I'm like, I don't even want to go to school, man, like, because I'm just going to be thinking about this all day and be stressed about it and be thinking about it at football practice and think about it in choir and think about it in math class and think about it at lunch with my friends and just, you're just constantly, your brain's just constantly bombarding you with, like, these like life or death feelings of, like, you need to address this issue. it's a big issue and it has to be addressed right now. And you are in this heightened state of like,

you're almost in like fight or flight mode all the time. And it's just exhausting. It's so mentally exhausted like having this battle with yourself. And I'm very thankful to be, you know, to have gone through that. It's definitely made me a better person and made me more appreciative of the life I have now, the grasp on it, the understanding of my own mind and, you know, thankfulness and just joy unraveling in the good times when they're around, which thankfully now is 99% of the time. You know, I just, I'm well equipped to have the tools, you know, and not that

I'm immune to it or anything like that, but I'm hyper aware of it and I can, I'm more aware now of the things that, the thought patterns and the way that it happens and the way that it comes about and I'm an expert at combating that in my own head. And that's been a really great blessing, you know. And having the platform now to speak about it and be okay with it. And it's never something I was particularly ashamed of. It was just something that I didn't know how to verbalize and know how to like speak about in a way that other people can understand. And I feel lucky to have the ability now to be a voice for someone that's out there right now that may be in the situation I was in and they're 12 or 13 years old and they're going look at this guy like maybe maybe there's

if there's one kid that doesn't feel as hopeless as I felt watching this now like that it's all worth it to me like being able to like be that light for someone else and hopefully you know is is a really great feeling to be honest. Each relationship was most negatively impacted in your life at that time because of it? My relationship with myself, I didn't really have a lot of time to figure out who I was because I couldn't think about anything else. Maybe I would have picked up guitar in seventh grade when my parents bought it for me because I would have had time to focus on that.

You know, I can't do anything about that now. And things worked out the way they were supposed to work out. I mean, obviously, you know, I mean, here I am, you know. And it's that that was the one that was tough is like you don't get any time to like do all these like this kind of like much out. It was great. It was idyllic really besides this. I don't want to sound like it was like constant dread and doom and like there were certainly spells of that. And it was like those were kind of like the defining things along the way.

But there was a lot of good too. You know, I don't want to make it sound like I had the worst life ever because I didn't. but it was very, very hard at times, and it was very isolating and made you feel very alone and, like, very vulnerable and very confused. You know, what is going on? Like, I don't imagine my friends are dealing with this, you know, and if they are, I would talk to my friends about it.

I mean, Austin, who I'm sure you met, is my best friend from childhood, really, and I talked to him about it. You know, he knew. It's like, but, you know, they don't have any answers, but they're like, bro, it's all good. You know, like they were always very supportive. No one was like, you're weird.

I can't believe you're doing this. Like, I'm lucky that everyone in my life was supportive of my struggles. And I'm glad that I was open about them and felt the ability to be open about them. That in itself is a blessing, you know. I can't imagine a kid out there right now whose family is like, listen, you better stop talking about this. I'm sick of hearing about it. You know what I mean? It's like that just crushes my soul, you know?

Yeah. It's already so hard even if everyone is open to the whole thing. So that would say that that was the relationship that honestly affected the most because if I didn't tell you, if you would have met me at 13 years old or 14 years old, like you wouldn't have even known. It's not something you can see.

It's all in here. That's why they call it purely obsessional because only because that's a bit of a misnomer, in my opinion. Dear medical people, it's a misnomer. But there are tons of compulsions. They're just all mental compulsions. They're not outward.

So they call it purely obsessional because all the compot. It's not like I'm like, oh gosh, this glass, I better get it. You know, this thing, this moving this glass around and getting it to feel right is all happening in here instead of out here. Yeah. You know, to like checking the stove a hundred times to make sure it's off. I'm doing that up here instead of doing it. Yeah. There's no physical manifestation of the compulsions.

So, yeah, huge, huge part of my life. Yeah. No, I appreciate you saying it. I mean, you're sharing it. I mean, you sharing it is helping so many other people, as you said, listening, learning, trying to, you know, that kid who wants to tell their family, tell their friend, you know, and recognize that it's not some dysfunction that they have, but just something that they're experiencing. What does OCD look like now in your life? What happens is not any different. I think now when it does happen, I'm just so much more aware of it, you know.

And it's good because when it happens, I can just, I straight up tell her, like, when. I'm like, hey, this is going on. Like, just so you know, like, if I seem a little absent-minded or if I'm like, if you say something and I didn't quite pay enough attention to it, like, it's not just me being aloof. It's like I'm kind of going through this. And so she understands that.

So I don't have to worry about that. Like, I don't have to worry about her. Why are you being weird? Like, it's just an honest thing. And she feels for me, which is nice to know that there's someone that understands what I'm going through that's supportive of it and doesn't judge me for it at all.

And, you know, I mean, again, she's no therapist either. So, but I'm so well equipped now. What has been that equipped? What's actually helped for people who are struggling? Honestly, the interesting thing about it is like not, like, not giving any, like, any credibility or attention to the thoughts is ultimately the thing that makes it go away, right? but the years and years and years of not knowing that, your go-to is like, think about the thoughts

and try to figure it out and try to solve it. So when you do that, like I didn't find out what I had till I was probably like 19 or 20, really. Like I didn't find pure OCD until then. I'd been dealing with it for seven or eight years at that time. And once I found it, but naturally enough, I obsessed about it trying to figure it out. like what does this mean?

And a lot of that, not from, I don't want to try to, like, I'm not trying to say like, oh, I was really great and I figured it out. It was basically like one of the big no-noes of OCD is seeking reassurance that whatever the thought you have is not founded in any fact or reality, right? Like that's the trap. It's like trying to solve the problem. So when you're young and you're in it, you're constantly seeking reassurance in your own mind to like discredit the thoughts that you're having. And so I would use that diagnosis. I would go

and study this. I would go study what's Piro and what's, you know, understand the way that people that have it think and the tools. And like, I was looking that stuff up to try to alleviate the anxiety from the thoughts. Little did I know. And not that anyone should do this. I would not suggest it, but little did I know I was basically teaching myself to be an expert on the disease that I had or the mental illness that I had. And so now I'm so well-versed and studied in it. And again, not a therapist, don't claim to be. Now I know the thought patterns and I'm so familiar with like, I can feel it coming on. I know when it's happening. I know why it happens. and I know I just have the entire tool belt of like getting rid of it if I need to.

And I think that as, I mean, it's a blessing and a curse. You know, it was a curse the way I got to it. But it's a blessing now. You know, having that knowledge, it keeps me from, from, you know, slipping into that state a lot, a lot, you know. And when I talk about OCD, I mean, that's the most interaction I get from people reaching out to me a lot. It's like, hey, man, like, you're the only guy I know that's ever talked about this. Yeah. Because it's kind of like an obscure variant of OCD.

It's not as common as, like, stereotypical. Sure. You're hearing about it more and more now, though. Certainly. Certainly, it's like, it's definitely an understudied. I mean, there was a time even 10 or 12 years ago I was looking it up that some OCD doctors were like, that's not a real thing. Yeah. I'm like, wow, what a dangerous thing to, like, say in a public.

Like what an arrogant thing to say. Like if you've never had it to even though you're an expert regardless, and I'll probably get roasted for this online. Like how dare you say it if you've never like you like saying someone's mental condition like doesn't exist as an incredibly damaging thing, especially given the nature of the one that you're talking about. Because that in and at that statement in and of itself could send someone into a six month. spiral, like that statement could kick off an entire another episode of like life crippling OCD for someone with OCD because then they would read it and go, oh my God, it's not real.

I really am a murderer or I really am going to crash my car into a school. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. It just makes people like so panicked, you know? Yeah. And I had a friend who just constantly kept thinking she was going to do. something bad to her kids. And so she had to be away from them for weeks. Oh, it's horrible. Yeah, I get it.

Avoidance behavior, another terrible thing. One of the worst things you can do. Because then you're giving the thoughts, like the power of like, well, there really is an issue. So now you're isolating yourself from your kids. So there really is a problem now. It gives the thoughts more credibility. So you're taking action and telling yourself these thoughts are important. So I need to remove myself. Yeah. You know, it's crazy, man. It's a vicious. It's like a rip current in your mind. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But your instinct is to, you know, swim this way and really you should just not struggle and just swim this way.

You know what you just want to swim that is all you want to do, you know. It's crazy. It's a crazy spiral. Getting ready for a game means being ready for anything. Like packing a spare stick. I like to be prepared. That's why I remember 988, Canada's suicide crisis helpline. It's good to know just in case.

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What's something that your parents did for you? What's a lesson they taught you that you're trying to pass on to your children? Yeah, I mean, I think really just work ethic, you know? I mean, my parents, I mean, they taught me a lot of things, you know. My mom was just, you know, she's, like, wonderful, you know, and my dad was wonderful. And my dad wasn't like, he wasn't like my buddy growing up. Like he was like, he was my dad. You know what I meant?

Yeah, yeah, discipline. He was like, he was a maintenance man at the bank, and it was like, he worked 40 hours, and he came home and he mowed the grass and he drank beer of his buddies. And like, not that I was neglected in any way, but like, we weren't like paling around a lot because there wasn't time. He was constantly working to provide me with food and provide mom with, you know, mom was working too, you know. So it was a very, very working class home. and that's what our life centered around was mom and dad have shit to do and they're going to do it. And that's, you know, that's just the way it is.

And, you know, obviously that provided me with a lot of things. And I'm grateful for that. I never had to wonder what, you know, clothes I was going to wear to school or what food I was going to eat when I got home. I think those worries were gone. And so, you know, nothing but gratefulness for that. And my, you know, it was like, they, I learned so much from seeing that, you know. Luckily, I'm in a position now where it doesn't have to be that way. It had to be that way for them. There was no other option. It was either,

you know, it was work and provide or, or don't provide. You know, those were the two options they were presented with. My life now is obviously a lot different than that. It's, I have the ability to do both. I have the ability to do it on my own schedule when I want to and where I want to. I spend, you know, I have conversations with people that, you know, everyone wants to know what's it like to be, you know, musician and, you know, being when you're touring and, well, do you miss your family? And it's like, well, obviously I miss them when I'm gone, but I'm not gone like that much now. Like, I guarantee I spend more time with my kids than 90% of people probably because they're

not in school. And if I'm not here with you, I'm there. Like, I'm nowhere else, basically, except for deer season. But other than that, I'm not anywhere else, you know. I'm there. And, you know, in a couple of years, they'll be at deer season, too. You know what I mean? So I get to, you know, like when I'm home and like, I'm home and I'm not, I'm not splitting my time at home between, okay, well, I've got to do 50 work things today.

And, you know, the kids are at school and I don't ever see them. and then I leave and they're, you know, begging me to, you know, play with him for five minutes. It's like, when I come home, dude, like, I'm cooking breakfast. I'm cooking lunch. I'm cooking dinner. Like, I'm changing diapers. I'm giving baths. Like, I'm in it.

You know what I mean? Like, I'm hands on. I want to be. I want them to know that, you know, at the most critical stages of my career, that they were still at the top priority for me. And my parents showed me that in a different way. it was like, hey, we're going to go work these jobs that we don't like so that you can have the best life that you can have.

And so I learned that from them, I just get to manifest it in a different way from my kids. Yeah, I like the way you put that. Yeah. Yeah, that for you, for them, it was doing something they didn't like to show you that they're number one out of love. And yours is almost like, I'm actually going to put aside something that I like to show you to show you how important you are.

Exactly. Yeah. It's a different version of the same sacrifice for sure. Absolutely. From the outside, I'm always fascinated by how things look from the outside and the inside. From the outside, your career had this like meteoric rise. What was it like for you? What was the feeling that was actually happening?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was, certainly, but it also felt like it feels like I've been doing it for a year and it feels like I've been doing it for 100 years at the same time, if that makes any sense, you know? Tell me about that. Those early years, man, were really hard, you know. I mean, the music industry has changed so much in the last 11 years. I mean, really have been in it in like an official, like I've got a record deal. Like I'm promoting my music and in the grand way that it's done now.

That's only been going on for, I mean, I guess like this would be year 10 for me, probably. Year 9 maybe. Yeah, year 9 because the 2017 was my first number one. I signed my record deal in the fall of 16 and then didn't really ramp it up until like the beginning of 17. But had been doing stuff on my own for a long time before that. And, you know, you almost learn more doing that stuff, like doing it on your own. And, you know, I wonder if people miss that a little bit now because it's like you, you know, you almost get invited to the table when it's time to be there, you know, instead of like fighting for this spot. at the table, like, in town.

Like, I don't know if as many people are, like, moving to Nashville now. Like, you almost know if you're going to make it or not now because of social media. And I was one of the first people that did that, not intentionally. I don't want to make myself sound like a genius. I'm not. It's like that I just lucked into that. Like, I had Vine came out on this big platform. I'm just singing on there and playing little six-second covers.

and then Instagram comes out, I'm doing that. And I use that as a marketing tool for myself. Again, not in like any way of like, this is the future. I don't want to be like, I predict it. I'm not trying to Steve Jobs it and say I invented iTunes. That's not the case. I just lucked into it. It happened to be the perfect time for that,

for people to be receptive to that. And now that has become the model. That is the way you do it. So I was just one of, if not the first guy to do. that. I wish I could say it was intentional. I just lucked into that, really. And so when I moved to town, I had all of these sales numbers, ticket sales, that to me, I was like, well, this is normal. Like, this is just how could people not be doing it this way? This is the way it goes. But I moved to Nashville. I don't really know anyone. I have one or two connections to like some buddies that were

nude in town that wrote songs and didn't have anything else going on. And I would just go out to writers nights and try to meet people and, you know, I found like-minded people and we wrote songs together and then, you know, one thing turns to do another and here we are, but I don't know that that happens as much now. Because if, let's say you were a new artist and you go, I want to be a country scientist, it's my dream, well, you just get on TikTok or Instagram and you write songs at your house. And you see how people feel, yeah. You see how people feel. And if all of a sudden, it becomes this indeniable thing, and then the record labels are calling your house.

So when you get to Nashville, it's like the culture of that, like the new people in town that are all banded together trying to succeed and do this thing. Like, that's kind of not there right now. You know, because why would you now? When you could just stay, live at your parents' house

and not pay rent and not take any risk, you don't have to go play shows because why would you? It's all an unnecessary risk at this point. And I'm not saying that's right or wrong. Everything progresses and changes. But I think it has kind of like unintentional consequences. And again, not that that's inherently wrong.

It's just the nature of the beast right now. So I'm thankful that I was of the kind of the last generation. Like I kind of got to experience both. I got to do the social media, like get feedback instantaneously, create my own space, my own community. have my own fans before anyone else got to decide or control that process. But I also got to move to Nashville and be a part of a culture that, you know, we created ourselves. And i.e. we being like me and my friends created kind of our own bubble of success that we all came up in together.

That was really cool to be a part of. It's one of my favorite parts of like my whole story is like, I mean, my first seven number ones. It was everyone's first number one song. When my first record was turned in to Sony, there was one person on the entire record that even had a publishing deal. Wow. It was just all people I had like met at bars and shit and like wrote songs with that are now like lifelong friends of mine, you know, and people that I still collaborate with to this day. Not everyone I'm still super in touch with, but the core crew is like, I mean, people that I like go on trips with and like have around my kids and stuff. You know, I mean, so it's like, that's like, you just can't create that artificially.

It has to be an organic thing. So I feel sad for some of this generation that may lose that. And they probably have their own community and ecosystem that I'm unaware of that feels just as great as mine. But I long for the like the nostalgia of that. It's like I want other people to get to experience that the same way that I did, but they may just be having that same experience in a different lane, you know? Yeah.

At least I'm hopeful that they are. Yeah, yeah, I can relate to a lot what you're saying, because my work kind of around the same time, 2016 was the year I, again, just like you, no strategy, no technique, just started sharing what I believed and what I cared about on social media. Right. And it took off. 28 at that time. Yeah, yeah, it took off organically.

Right. I didn't know where it was going. I didn't have a plan for where I was going. Yeah. And so I can totally relate to what you're saying about this idea of just putting something out there. and you weren't doing it because you thought the platform was going to get you somewhere else. Exactly.

It was just the platform was available. The thing that I love about it is it creates no, like, barrier to entry. Totally. It's, like, purely what resonates with people. It's, like, strictly talent-based. It's, like, strictly work ethic-based. Like, it's all based on, like, how hard are you willing to work? How much do you resonate with people?

What's your music? What do people think of your music? Yeah. So it's cool in that sense. And whether it's a podcast or a music or I don't even imagine, like, or a chef. Like I think of like, you know, Joshua Wiseman who's like, he starts out putting videos on YouTube and he's like, now he's like this one of the most influential food creators in the world. You know what I mean? Like it's just so cool that you can create something from nothing on your own accord now. And you get to control the narrative and how your career is going to go as opposed to. you know, this kind of nameless, like, these nameless people and entities going like, well, you're going to do that and wear that. And, you know, they basically, they get to, it's great for everybody because there's no risk for the labels in a lot of ways. They don't have to go, well, sign 10 guys, and hopefully one of them works out. And they go, now we'll just sign 10

guys, and they're all going to work out. Yeah, exactly. We know. We just know it's going to work out. It's already proven. We have the proof right there. So it's kind of a win-win for everybody in this situation, at least I think. But it's cool, man. It's a cool time. Yeah. There was a moment in your life. You were talking about your family being a priority now, but there was a moment in your life that kind of shifted you back in that direction, right? That made you take a bit of a break. I mean, I think it was, I mean, COVID was a big reason for that. Obviously, it was like my career was white hot when COVID happened. And it was kind of like, it was a bummer. It was a bummer for a lot of us, you know, a lot of musicians, you know, there's a lot of people that didn't survive the whole COVID thing.

You know, like you kind of come in and it's like all of a sudden you're, you know, I can't imagine having been a new artist, like a brand new artist when that happened. Because then it's like you kind of only get the one shot. And then if it dwindles at that time just because of what's happening in the world, like, well, that can be kind of it. That was tough. But my family thing, you know, I, we have our first son. and then five months later we find out we're pregnant with our next beau. And so that was a whirlwind. I mean, like, you know, you're having a five-month-old. You're figuring out how to be a parent, have a baby, and then all of a sudden you have another baby. You know, you have two babies at the same time,

you know. I almost would have rather had twins would have been an easier transition, to be quite honest. You know what I mean? Like, it was almost more difficult having, like, because then they're at two different ages, but they're both so fragile and like, I mean, when Bo was born, like, Tex couldn't even walk yet. So it was like, my wife's got one on the hip and one in the cradle,

and it's like, I'm out, I'm in, I'm in Australia when Bo is born. And that's, like, crushing the devastating things. My whole identity is that, no matter what,

I'm going to prioritize my wife and my children, over my job, over what I do, like, they're my number one priority. I want, them to know that. And then here I am having this moment of like, well, guess who wasn't there? Like the guy that says he's always going to be there and that will do anything to be there

is the only guy that's not there. And so it was a huge blow to like, it was like, man, well, you set yourself up to do everything you can to be there. And then the plan doesn't go the way that you thought it was going to go. And it's nobody's fault, obviously. It's just a way of, you know, was the universe's decision at that point. I mean, he comes two and a half weeks early, you know, four days from going home. And he decides, you know, to show up. And, you know, and everyone's like,

what, you can be you plan the tour or that close? The tour is already planned. We found, the tour is planned before we even find out we're pregnant with, with Bo. So there's no cancel on the tour. It's sold out before we even know we're pregnant, you know. So you have this obligation to your fans to go and, and do that and put the shows on.

and power through. And I didn't tell anyone that until after I got home. You know what I mean? Like I kept it to myself because, you know, there was never this big, like I didn't want it to be this big woe as me, like PR campaign of look how sad I am and look how hard it's been. I mean, it's kind of what you know that that could happen going in, I think. And so you have a right, you have a duty to your fans.

to continue the show on, you know. I mean, even if I would have left, I would have not been home. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I woke up. Yeah, you wouldn't have made it in time. Right. It's 8 a.m. Sydney time. My wife texts me 6 a.m.

Sydney time or whatever. I don't even know what that time zone is called, but 6 a.m. So I wake up two hours after the text of like, I'm going to the hospital. Obviously call her first thing. She's in the hospital. I mean, thank God my sister-in-law was there. My mother-in-law was fine in that day. My parents lived in town.

So the support system was there, and for that I am eternally grateful, you know, brings serious perspective to that it takes a village kind of thing. You know, I can't imagine if my wife would have been alone during that thing, it would have been even more crushing. But knowing that she had people that she trusted and cared about being around was a huge relief for me. It didn't make it any easier, but it was better. And so that really shifted my focus of like what happens from here. Like how do I make, you know, how do I make changes based on this thing? Like, I dread the conversation with my son at some point. Like, because obviously he doesn't know that.

He's two and a half. Like he's not even going to understand that for five years, you know. But I dread that conversation of being like, you know, well, dad, you, you know, you made this record about being such a good dad. And then you weren't there when I was born. you were there for text and you were there for the next kid and why was I the only one that you weren't there for. So I worry about that a lot.

Interesting. And I think that it will be okay, but I haven't quite yet processed when to have that conversation, obviously not anytime soon. But when I do have that conversation, how do I, you know, say that to a seven or eight-year-old and it be meaningful. I think it's bigger than one conversation. it's not like, hey, I wasn't there, get over it. That's it.

We're not talking about it. You know, it's more nuanced than that. I'm sure it will be a lifetime of, you know, conversations. And I'm hopeful that he'll be understanding. I'm sure that he will. If I do my job right and my wife does her job right, I think he will be. If he turns out to be a good person the way that I hope that he does. What do you think you'd say?

I'd probably just break the news, you know. I think the first conversation is going to be, I want to tell you before you find out first. I think that's the most important thing, is getting ahead of, you know, I don't want him to one day, you know, have access to the internet and come across this thing. And it's, you know, Luke Combs misses the birth of his child

to be at the show. And then he's like, well, I didn't know that. Which child is it? And then it's like, oh, it was me. Why didn't he ever tell me? you know, I think that avoiding that is like number one. So I think that's the first conversation. You kind of like let that like wash the shock a little bit of that like wash over them.

And then I think there's a follow up conversation, which is, hey, you know, like, you know, I would do anything for you. You know, I would have given anything to be there. But like, even if I make the best effort I can, like there, there's no way. I would have been there. Like, he was born at, by 10 a.m. And, like, two hours after I wake up, he's born. So, like, I wouldn't even have been able to, like, get a plane and be at the airport yet. And he would have been born already.

So it's not like I tried and didn't make it. It was like, there was no way that I was going to make it. And so I think I'm, like, mentally, like, past the guilt of it now. Like, because I beat myself up about it for a while. I couldn't even talk about it for a while without getting super emotional. about it. And I think you just have to move forward and you just have to, you just have to, you just have to, you know, cross up bridge when you come to it. And I'm lucky to still have, you know, to be five years older or five years wiser, you know, when that conversation has to happen and have had more time to process and think about it. But I mean, it's the nature of the beast, man. Like, you know, and if you work at the butcher shop, you're probably going to get blood on you when you're at work or you're probably going to come home, smell. I'm like, you know, you're, you know, raw meat. You know what I mean? Like you kind of knew that going on it.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. You knew it could happen. You hoped it wouldn't and it did. And so now you just have to live with it and deal with it and address it and not let it become an issue. Yeah. In days like these, you sing, when the sky is blue and the grass is green, how much better can it be? If I got you and you got me, we got everything we need. And even if it grew on trees, well, money can't buy days like these. And you talk about money in that. song and in rich man as well and how money can't buy happiness how do you define a rich life this is always

such a tough subject for me because i think there you know there's no hiding there's no hiding that i do really well um and that's something that i have some guilt around not guilt from like having money or having success i feel like it's a question of like why do i deserve it more than you're than maybe someone else. I don't deserve it more than anyone else. But you feel this guilt of like, I almost feel, it's not an imposter syndrome, it's not the same as that, but like,

you feel like, man, well, I just, I feel like I have more than I deserve or I don't deserve to have been this successful, or you feel guilty for being this successful, and you kind of get this feeling like, well, I, maybe people, like, can't relate to me anymore, and like, I hate that, because, like, I haven't changed other than the circumstances of my life now.

At least I think that I would like to think that everyone around me would agree with that. So I hope I'm not sounding like egotistical by saying that. But like I would be willing to bet that a lot of the people that know me well would say it's the same guy with a different bank account. And so those songs are even difficult. I find it a little bit like cliche for me to even say that. And I danced around putting Rich Man on this record because I was worried about sounding hypocritical, right?

Because the whole idea of the song is a guy in a bar who's basically supposed to, his character is supposed to be a farmer, right? Like the narrator of that song is not supposed to be me. It's supposed to just be a guy who's in a bar and he sees two other guys having a conversation. And it's basically a guy in overalls who is supposed to, in my eyes, when we wrote it, was a farmer or whatever, an older guy, and then a younger guy who's kind of in a suit.

You know, he's doing the whole business guy thing, and he's stressed out about the stock market, he's stressed out about work and all these things. And, you know, the farmer just kind of gives him this allegory in the song of, like, you know, And hey, rich man, you know, I know you didn't ask, but I'll say this, man, all the money in the world don't mean shit, man, because it can't go with you when you die, buy you time, or hold your wife and kids hands. And for me, I'm very aware of how much better my life is by having things that I have, and I'm cognizant of that, and I'm not trying to hide that. I'm very grateful for that and appreciative of it. And I'm aware of, you know, that it makes me, it can make me sound hypocritical in that sense.

And I, I, I, I, tussled with that a lot when putting the song on this record. Because I didn't want people to be like, look at this big blowhard telling me how to, you know, think about my life or whatever. Like, I'm not trying to tell anybody how to feel, um, in any way on,

on that song or on this record. And I think for me, though, there are these moments in life where I am, You know, you say the sky's blue, grass is green. I remember that day. We text was a baby. And we're living in our house like an hour from Nashville at that time. We've since moved.

And it was just beautiful outside. And it was like my beautiful wife is there. My kid is there. And my career is going really well. And I'm just really thankful. It's almost just like there are these days to me that like you can't put your finger on like why they're so great. You're still surrounded by the things that. you have and the people that you love in the same way that you were yesterday and the same way

that you will be the next day. But it's like everything just lines up. And it's like you just, you're almost on this like high of life. Like it's the birds are singing and the temperature. You know, it's like the weather's like that every day here, by the way. You know, I forget it's January. Yeah, it's spectacular. Yeah. It's unbelievable. And it's like, you know, it's like these bluebird days and, you know, your family, everything's just hitting on the same wavelength for what I don't really even know how to describe it, but that was my mindset writing days like these. It wasn't about I live in a nice house or I have this thing. It was like, it wouldn't have mattered where we were or what we were doing. It was just everything in the universe lined up that day for it to be like

this perfect day. It's not the first one I've had and it's not the last one I'll have. But damn it if they aren't few and far between and damn it if I didn't wish they came around more often, you know, and you just, I love those days, and they're so rare, and they're just that song to me totally captured that moment in time so perfectly, you know, and I just love those days, and I think that there's nothing that I owned or nothing that I bought or nothing that I could buy or nothing that I could do, that could recreate that feeling. So regardless of, of the situation that I'm in. Now, there's no doubt that money helps with those things.

There's no doubt. I don't want to sound like you guys. Well, it don't matter if you got it. That's the bridge of the song, Richman, is, you know, I say that in the bridge of that song is like, well, you know, it ain't no secret having money's nice, you know, but making a living, don't make a life, you know, and I believe that.

And I know that's easy for me to say, so I don't want anyone out there to think that I'm, you know, discounting the fact that. I have have it way better than a lot of people. I'm painfully aware of that. And I struggle with that, to be quite honest. Yeah. I appreciate you saying that part of just, you know,

how you can walk around, especially when beautiful things happen to you. And you totally, I couldn't agree with you more, that it's not that you don't want to have beautiful things happen to you. You just want it to happen to a lot more people. For sure. And you want beautiful things to happen to everyone around you. You want beautiful things to happen to struggle.

strangers that you've never met because that's that's the joy of it. It's only beautiful if more and more people get that on journey. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Yeah. You know, it is, man. It's a it's a crazy world out there, man. It's hard. It's hard, man. It's really, really hard. You know, and you know, when you're in, you know, the position, guys like us are in, man, like, we're so lucky, you know, and you just have to like, I do everything in my power to give that feeling back to other people, whether there's people that work with me, or giving money to charity or whatever it may be or volunteering me going to sing it something.

Like any way I can give back, I always try to do that any chance that I have because that's just something that my mother instilled at me at a young age. You know, we, I grew up working at the food bank in Asheville. She would take me over there and we would work at the food bank. And, you know, she's explaining what this is

and what this place is. And, you know, at the time, it made me like, wow, man, like, you know, this makes me really thankful for, you know, everything we got. And, you know, I can't imagine going home and opening up the cabinet. There's nothing in there.

Yeah. There's not even a can of corn in there. You know, I couldn't imagine that feeling. And so she forced me to do that when I was younger. And I'm thankful for that because, you know, she's still doing things like that. You know, she still goes out and works at the, you know, at the animal shelter, at the food bank and in Nashville.

And, you know, I got to go from that to, you know, after Haleen, you know, that ravaged the part of the country that I grew up in. And when we put on the benefit concert in Charlotte, my portion of the proceeds, part of my portions of the proceeds, rebuilt the entire food bank that I worked at growing up. It was completely destroyed, like completely gone. And I got to watch my success and influence have the ability to, do something that great and rebuild their entire facility. And that is like something that's, you can't even put words on. And like the amount of pride I have in that is immense. You know,

like my most proud moment of my career from here on out and forever will be, you know, the show that we did that night and getting to see these charities send me videos and emails and here's what we did and here's how this worked and here's how this happened. And it's just cool to get to a part of that, you know, and it's not, I don't come at it from, it's not like an egotistical pursuit. It's just like, you get to like watch the money that you raised, you get to watch, you know, people be directly impacted by these things that we got to do. And I, I owe all that to my team. You know, I owe all that to everyone else. Like, I always say, like, I'm the guy that works the least amount. Like, I'm, I have the easiest job.

and the whole thing. Like, I think. Obviously, I do a lot of things. I'm in a lot of places. I go to a lot of different things, and I'm constantly working. But when you love it, it doesn't feel that way. And I'm just grateful for everyone else in my team

that allows me, you know, they're, you know, they get to be a billboard for me when they're out, you know, meeting. Even if I'm in there, you know, getting touched up before this thing and they're talking to you and you're like, man, well, these people are nice. So I really do believe it's top down. You know, I try to be great and give my team the ability to be great because we work in a good environment.

We respect each other. And that transfers, man. And people can feel that. Yeah. People can feel that energy when you're around. And that's my biggest point of pride is when we're at a show, whether it's the stadium or we're going and doing a club gig for, you know, we played a club gig last year first time in five years and it was wild. It's like 850 people in the Georgia Theater in Athens and like a venue we used to play

and like it felt like the biggest venue in the world. And you go back and when I'm walking through the halls, backstage or whatever, like even the people work in the doors or like they'll say to me, your team is the best team we've ever worked with. Like everyone was so kind and so gracious and they communicated so well and they're all professional and they were all in great spirits.

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my best or something like that. Yeah. I was like, wow, that's amazing. Yeah, I remember it was, it was, uh, it was in Maine is where it was. That's it. That's it. Yeah. We did two nights in Bangor Maine and the first night. That's the place. Show was great. Run of the mill show, which, and by run of the mill, I mean, we had a great time. It's great. It's fun. We got buddies in town. But the particular, that venue is wonderful, by the way. Um, and we were backstage and they have great, like, they have a fire pit going and they're bringing you out food. And, and, like all the employees are so nice. And it's just a great atmosphere to hang out in.

And so we had some friends in town and, you know, we're up having some cocktails. But we were all outside. I'm talking two or three times as loud as I normally was because we're playing music. We're having some drinks. We're staying up late. And the next day I wake up and I'm like, man, my voice is like just a little, like, it's just a little rough, you know, like not my worst morning I've had like by a long shot. And I know I've done that enough times to know how it goes and know how it's progressing.

And so as the day went on, I'm like, I'm like, well, man, this isn't like progressing the way it normally does. Like it doesn't feel like it's getting much better. So I don't know, I guess maybe around two or three o'clock, I call my manager and I'm like, hey, this isn't going so hot. I'm starting to get a little bit worried because we have the show tonight. And I said, could you, and I've done this maybe twice ever. Once was in Australia, this was the second time. I said, I was like, I need to get a steroid shot to do the show tonight. And I hate doing that.

If you're any kind of singer, you should not get those because they're horrible for your voice in the long run. It's not something you should be doing a lot. It should be an absolute emergency parachute situation, which it was for me. Because I'm like, well, everyone's here. I get the steroid shot. I'm like, okay, I'm going to be good. I'm going to get through this. A couple hours goes by.

I go to do my warmups. I do my warmups. Let's say we're on at nine. I'll do my warmups at eight. It's 20 minutes, 25 minutes. And then I'll join the band and we all hang out and have some drinks, get together, whatever. And I get five minutes into my warm up. And obviously, I mean, everyone's already played, dude.

Like the first to three is played. Direct support's already done. Like people are just waiting for me to come out at this point. I get five minutes into my warm up and I call my manager. I'm like, dude, I'm not going to be able to sing tonight. And he was like, what do you mean? I was like, I don't have been in a steroid shot. Like, it didn't work.

Like, it worked the first time I got it. I was like, it didn't work. It didn't do enough. Like, I physically am not going to be able to do it enough. And so we're having conversations. Well, what's the options? You know, he's like, well, we're just cancel it. We're just, that's what we do.

And I was like, no, dude, that's what everyone else does. Like, we're not doing that. Like, I'm not. These people are here, dude. Like, this is, those concerts, man, like, concerts are expensive, and I'm aware of that. Like, I have so much respect for how hard people work and things they sacrifice to come and see me play. Because I used to be one of those people. You know, I would work all summer to save up to go see one concert.

And it was a big event, man. It wasn't just, oh, well, this is the thing I'm doing tomorrow. It was like, I'm building my whole summer around this one night, you know. And I know there's hundreds of people, thousands of people, you know, a thousand yards away from me that have done the same thing. And I can't live with the idea that they are going to be let down. And they're sure as hell I'm not going to be let down by somebody else. That isn't me.

So I told Capi, I said, listen, dude. I said, I'm going out there and I'm telling him. And he's like, what do you mean? And I'm like, I'm going out there and I'm telling him on the microphone. Then I can't do the show. And I said, me and the band, we'll play for an hour. I said, we'll play all the hits. I'll sing the best I can, but like, we're just going to refund everybody's money.

And he's like, I'm in, dude. Like, whatever you want to do, let's do it, you know? And he's, who cares about the money? Like, it doesn't matter. We'll all refund it. So go out. And usually we have, like, you know, there's the big intro song and, like, the video and all and stuff.

I'm like, we got to kill this, dude. Like, we're not doing the hype up video. And then I'm walking out and telling him I'm not playing. Yeah. So I walk out. I remember being, like, so somber. And, like, my heart rate is just through the roof. I'm, like, so nervous because I've never done anything like this before.

And I remember saying it, like, hey, guys, I'm not going to be able to do the show tonight. And it's like just raining down booze, man. Like, it's just people are brutalizing me. Oh, wow. And, like, as I feel like they have the right to do. Like, I would be pissed too, right? Like, Mr. Big Tom comes out here and tells me he's not going to do the thing or whatever. And I go, but wait, I was like, before you guys get upset, like, I'm still, we're still going to play the show.

it's just not going to be as good as I feel like it needs to be for me to take money from you and use it for the betterment of my life or my team. Like, you deserve, you know, you spend all this money to be here and you've got hotel rooms and babysitters and like, I can't make that right. So I still want to give you the show. I'm just not going to take the money from the tickets. And I'll just just, so this is just free show, but it's just not going to be as good of the show is I feel like you deserve for all the sacrifices that you've made to be here.

And we played for probably an hour, hour 15, and we played all the hits. And I sang the best I could and the crowd sang. And it was a really cool night. It was really stressful. And, man, I got to give it up to my fans. Like, a lot of fans reached out to me and they were like, hey, man, I donated my refund. Because, like, we loved the show and we thought it was still great. And we appreciate you being a stand-up guy.

and we just felt like it was wrong to take the refund. Not everybody did that, and I can understand that. I wouldn't be mad if nobody donated their refund, you know. But then we came back, I think it was two years later. We came back, like scheduling was crazy, but we came back and did a night there. We were, like, doing stadiums, and then we came back and did the little amphitheater and banger.

And it was cool, man. That's awesome, man. Great story. Yeah. Great, turned into a great story. Oh, that's interesting. I was very stressed about that. Oh, I can imagine.

I can imagine, but that's awesome. I love, I'm so glad you told me that story because I just saw the clip, like on social media that I'd seen, and I thought, wow, that's incredible, but now to hear the backstory behind it. I mean, you know, earlier you were talking about your wife, you've been together for 10 years now, thereabouts. It's mine and my wife's 10-year wedding anniversary this year.

Oh, nice. Congratulations. That's awesome. And so it's fun when you've lived that life with someone. How did you guys meet? We met. She actually was living in Nashville. I was living in Nashville.

we had met in passing a few times. Not many, not more than five minutes here and there. But we kind of had some of the same friend group. Like, you know, think of like the Venn diagram. There's like a couple people in the middle. You know, we all know much different folks and stuff. So met like that. And she worked at BMI, which is a huge.

I'm sure you know what that is. For those of you that don't, the performance rights organization that, you know, just collects industry, royalties to songwriters. And that's how they get paid for the most part. There's a few organizations that do it. BMI is the biggest one, and she was working there at the time.

She did kind of like specialized like HR work there. BMI also puts on a songwriting festival in Key West. The Nashville branch puts on one in Key West, and it's called the BMI Key West Songwriters Festival. It's every year. So much fun. So their whole office like shuts down. Like the, I mean, it's like, I can't tell me how many people work there, probably in the hundreds.

And they all just kind of go to the keys and help out with events or just hang out or whatever, you know. It's not like a stressful work week. And, you know, maybe it is for one or two people, but the rest of them are kind of chilling and having a good time. And so they invite around 200 songwriters down there all like kind of in the country space. And it's cool because BMI, you know, they foot the bill for your flight. they put you up in a hotel like it's an all expense kind of paid like trip to key west and you play a couple songwriters rounds and fans come and it's it's really fun it's a really killer like if you love country music if you love songwriting you have to go um it's really really great so it's my first

year going to that i was probably the last guy picked to go i have no publishing deal no record deal and my buddy Channing Wilson who is fantastic he was going down there and I remember me and him were having lunch and he was like he's like man why don't you come down to Key West dude and I was like well it's like I didn't get invited you know so he called up his rep at BMI I was like hey I'm eating lunch with this Luke Holmes guy and they I had had a meeting over there with them I was there and they were like yeah man like he can just run with you or whatever so I was like hell yes I was pumped up get down there run into her at an event and kind of hung out like for the evening with friends and stuff like spent a couple

hours together hanging with friends and stuff and then once I came home we made plans to get together like a couple weeks like a couple weeks after I got home we ended up staying in touch via text or whatever and made some plans to make some plans to get together and you've been dating ever since man like it was just crazy you know what i mean like she didn't have any reason to think i was cool at all man like i was wearing a t-shirt and gym shorts when i ran into her and it's like she was like working two jobs like making a killing and i got like nothing going on at all um she just thought i was cool for whatever reason so i thought that was pretty awesome so um it worked out man it was great because she's been there with me you know since the beginning um and you know seen me through

a lot and you know we made it through the whole rise together and all the craziness together and she's the best dude i mean you know i mean she really is like i just can't imagine like i wouldn't be here without her you know i'd have there's 10 hit songs that i wouldn't have written you know because i wrote them about her you know um so i'm very very thankful for her i mean and she's a great mom and she's a great wife and a great friend and um she's just a great person so i'm very blessed to have that like connection with her man like that's been a huge huge positive light in my life like having her is you know she's one of the biggest reasons for my success certainly how did you know she was the one it's funny as you say this like everyone's like oh it's like you know like immediately like it's for love

at first sight kind of thing and you know i i think that sometimes maybe does a disservice to to the seriousness of like a relationship of like the level that me and my wife have we have grown together you know we have become adults together we become parents together we've lived together like that's not something that happens overnight like sure there are those feelings like those inherent feelings of like lust or attraction like i think sometimes that people can confuse that for like this love at first site thing and they're like, this is the person that I have to be with because I'm so attracted to them. And like, sure, the physical connection is really necessary. But the emotional connection, I think we forget sometimes in today's day and age, that that is like, it's like a plant,

dude. It's not something that grows up overnight, dude. Like, it's something that takes nurturing. It takes, you know, you got to water it. You got to trim it. You got to, like, you'd have to be doing maintenance to this thing. And when you do that together, you grow better together, you know, and there is no, like, this is when I knew. Like, I knew that I was very attracted to her and I knew that she was a great person and I knew that I wanted to spend more and more and more time I spent time with her. And so I would say, like, it just, there was never any moment where I was like, maybe this isn't the person I should be with. You know what I mean? She never gave me that.

There was never this thought of like, well, maybe this isn't, you know. It was like there was never any questioning it. So maybe I did always know. But maybe I just wasn't smart enough to see that at the time. But I think the connection that we've grown over the years is the beautiful part of it. You know, and it's like it only gets better with time. It's like wine or something. You know what I mean?

Like it's probably pretty good. out of the barrel, but then when it's, you know, 10 years old, it's a whole different story, and then 20 years old and 30 and 40 and so on and so forth. It's a really cool thing, man, and it's a blessing to get to, to get to experience life with somebody in that way, and have somebody to share your triumphs with and your, the peaks and the valleys and all of these difficult things. Like, my OCD stuff, she's very supportive of all that, and it's like she's always supporting me. She's never bringing me down. You know what I mean? like, it shouldn't take no shit for me.

And that's important as well. But it's like, but that's cool to me, man. Like it's, you know, I don't want somebody that's willing to just do whatever I say all the time. That's not, I don't want to get it twisted that that's the way it is because it ain't that. Like, she's the boss, bro. Like, she is the boss. And I like, that's cool to me, man. Like, I like that.

Like, I like her being, like, getting her advice on, like, songs or getting her advice on merch. Like, she's such an eye for. for that so much more so than I do. And like, we've done all these cool, like, merch collections where it's like the Luke and Nicole thing. It's, like, her deal, and she does the photo shoots. And, like, she's doing all the merch and, like, letting her, like, I just trust her implicitly with that, like, with, not just with me as a man and as a husband,

but, like, even with my brand and, like, my business. And, like, she's not someone that, like, I'm ever worried about, like, embarrassing me or, like, you know what I mean? And not that she ever even could, but like, it's just like having this high level of, like, trust and respect for her. I like to think that she has that for me, too. But it's nice on my end to have that and feel that. It's a very comforting thing to know. It's like, you know when you go home, there's this person that's like, regardless of everything else, is, like, on your team no matter what, you know?

And that's cool. What did she see in you before you saw it in yourself? Brother, I got no idea. I got no idea. If I knew I'd be selling it. How about that? If I knew what it was, man, I would be borrowing it up and putting it on the internet. You could Amazon it right now if I knew what it was because there's some magic.

That's the new thing. Yeah, dude. Nicole's potion or Luke's potion. Yeah, Luke's whatever it was, dude. I tell you what, it wasn't my model-like figure by any chance, by any stretch of the imagination. I don't know. You know, I haven't really considered that. I've thought about it a bunch of times. Like, I'm just like, oh, gosh, I don't know. Like, I remember my dad saying to me one time, like, I think I had this crush on, like, a girl in high school or something. I was kind of, like,

asking my dad for, like, advice on it. And I was like, man, like, I just, like, I'm like, this is kind of cool or whatever. I'm like, why is this going on? He's like, I'll never forget this. He was like, hey, sometimes son, son, you just don't ask questions. And it was like, I was like, okay. And so when it was like, when it comes to that stuff, I'm like, maybe I don't want to know. You know what I mean? I'm just like, whatever, you know. And so I just think sometimes when things are good, you don't really have to know why.

You know, I think you can, you know, then you can, maybe you can ruin something like that. I don't, I don't know. I mean, I think that, you know, I like to think maybe that she could tell that I'm a good person. Yeah, I think. And, you know, I think that, you know, now she knows that, you know, I've got her back. She's got mine. You know, her and the kids are number one and like I'm doing stuff for them. And obviously that wasn't happening when we met.

Like, it wasn't like we had kids together, you know. But I think, you know, I think she could just tell like, well, maybe this guy is like, it's different than other guys that I've, I'm not sure, you know. Maybe she dated a bunch of losers. I don't know. You know what I mean? I mean, I'm not sure. you know, but no, she's rad, dude, but I don't know.

Does she ever roast you? Oh, bro, all the time. Yeah, my wife roast me all the time. All the time, dude. She rips me apart, and it's like, it's awesome. What would you say if she was here and she was roasting you? What would she say? I'm trying to think.

What would she tell the people? She's like, she picks on, she's like, you're nerdy. She's like, you're like definitely a nerd. She definitely thinks I'm nerdy. Yeah. I like to play video games and she's like, oh, God, like, you know, She, like, lets me do it. She's like, do whatever you want, but she's like, I'm not bad.

I'm not going to not call you a nerd while you're playing video games. That's funny. You know what I mean? It's just that kind of stuff, man. She just doesn't let me get away with anything, you know, in a good way, like a playful way, you know. For real, though, don't let me get away with nothing either. But, like, she can also be super playful. Yeah, yeah.

She knows herself, man. She's so confident in herself and she's so confident in, like, in us and our family. And, like, I think that's really. really cool and it's really attractive man to like have someone that is so confident in themselves and i've learned a ton from her man i've learned a ton about you know being just you know proud of who i am and you know having you know these kind of strong convictions and not being afraid to speak your mind and not being afraid to say the things that you you know the things that you believe in and share your opinions i mean you know i was i was not as apt to do that until i met her and she helped me you

You know, also the thing, one of the, this is a, this is a sleeper pick for a favorite thing about her is like, I wasn't a picky eater, as you can probably tell. I was not a picky eater growing up, but I was a little bit. Like if I didn't like something, I was like completely out on it. Like I'm like, don't like it. Mushrooms hate it. Mustard, hate it. Like, there was a lot of things that I didn't like. And she really was like, you know, you ought to like try stuff.

You know what I mean? Like, you're just kind of like, she's like, mushrooms are good. And mustard is good. And I'm like, no, it's terrible. I've hated it since I was a kid. And, you know, it's just a little. I don't know that's such a funny thing to, like, pick it out. But, like, mushrooms are, like, probably one of my top five favorite foods ever now.

And, like, I would have probably never tried them if it wasn't for her. And I love mustard now. Yeah, like, all these things, like, and it's just, that's a small, example of a bigger picture of like she's just helped me become more confident in myself and challenging you and challenging me and pushing me to do things that are hard and pushing me to do and encouraging me to do things that are difficult that normally I would have you know faltered at before and um she's just like you know she's she's like she's my homie dude you know she's the best i love that i look forward to meeting yeah she sounds awesome she is she sounds awesome yeah you sing in your song the way i am

I'm sorry, baby, I really tried to change. It's like there's something broken in my brain. The more I try to fix it, the less I understand, but you still love me just the way I am. And I'm like, it's like... Yeah, that's on rips, man. Yeah. I didn't write that song,

and that's why I love it so much as like that statement so perfectly fits, you know, a lot of the themes of my life, the OCD stuff, you know. And that was a friend of mine wrote that with another great songwriter in Nashville. When I heard it, it was just, it was so sonically different than anything that's going out of town right now. I mean, there's nothing like that song going out right now.

It's a very stereotypical country sound, but probably from 40 years ago. And that's kind of what drew me to it. It's like it just felt like this kind of moment that was unexpected, not just from me, but from anyone, really. It's very slow. It's way too long. It's got to just straight up, steep. steel guitar solo, like old steel guitar, not like cool steel guitar that's in like, you know, some like poppy song. Like it is like straight up like tears like something George Jones would be

singing, you know? And not that I'm that, but it's like, lyrically I resonated with it so much already. And then sonically it was just so different. It was like, I mean, it felt like an absolute like layup of a song to do. I just felt like I feel like it's going to be a big moment for people. that that's why ultimately I chose that song as the title for this record is. It just like, you know, it's just, it really does. Just that's, I'm so okay with the way that I am now, honestly, at risk of sounding ironic, you know. It's like I, at 35, I obviously don't have life all the way figured out, but I'm as comfortable, if not more comfortable in my skin than I've ever been.

I feel like my mental health is way higher than it's ever been. My mindset, my outlook is all so great. And I just, you know, I have so many people to thank for that. You know, my wife, obviously, my kids have helped a ton. And just great friends, great teammates, great band members, great, you know, collaborators and great, you know, everybody just does so much for me, you know. and that's kind of, you know, that's made me into the way that I am, you know, and that's just that title in itself, really, I felt like encapsulated, you know, the message I was trying to

say with this album is, you know, this is, this is where I am now, whether that's musically or as a person, and I'm just excited. I'm excited for people to hear this record. I haven't done, like, a commercial project in, like, almost four years now, and it's time, and I just, you know, I hope it's as received as I want it to be. And if it's not, it's okay, you know. But you just have to put, you know, what you feel like is your best foot forward. And you just have to be willing to live with the results of that no matter what. Absolutely.

And I'm more okay with that now than I've ever been. Yeah. And that going away for four years was important. It was. Yeah. And it was like, you know, it's not like I retired, but it was like we really backed the touring stuff down. Like last year, I didn't have my own tour for the first time. ever since I started.

And that was weird. It was really fun because all we did was these big festivals, you know, and so the festivals are fun. They're a different challenge than, especially the stuff we did this year. You know, we did Bonnaroo, La Paloosa, Newport Folk Festival, Austin City Limits,

like crowds that we would normally never step in front of. And so I was, I really looked forward to that challenge, you know, getting with my band leader and making set lists that, were different for every one of these shows and how do we how do we meet this crowd in the middle you know what i mean like as much as i there was to half the set i wanted to come out and kick the door down and play honky tonk shit like country stuff like i wanted to do that and we did that but i also wanted to say i'm also willing to meet you where you're at a little bit and like

help you understand, not just me, but that our genre in general is not just this stereotype of, it's not some caricature of like this thing. It's like, it's like, it's something that you can love too. And maybe you don't know that. And maybe tonight is not the night that you fully understand that. But hopefully tonight makes you even be at the inception of maybe I could love country music. And maybe in 20 years, we're finally where I think we need to be, not exclusively because of me, but that moment helps a couple people have that epiphany or experience. And, you know, the betterment of the genre is something that is really important to me, you know, and letting people know is like, hey, man, like, we're here. Like, we're like, we're more popular than we've ever been now, and it ain't stopping anytime soon. Yeah.

And I want to do my part to be a part of that future and help out the genre. Like, regardless of what that means for me personally or my success, you know. I mean, a lot of those shows, I lost money doing those shows. I took a lot less money than I usually would to get the slot because I wanted to be able to go and do that. Yeah. I hope some people felt that on those nights. Yeah. But they were a lot of fun.

We sure enjoyed them. and the crowds were just amazingly, like, welcoming and warm, which was really cool, man, because I was nervous, you know, like, not nervous, like, I don't want to go out there, but just like, gosh, man, like, man, like, you could really fall on your face out here and it would be tough night if, like, it doesn't go well. You know, like, if you're not well-received headline and Austin City Limits, like, that'd be tough.

Or, like, you come out in Bonnaroo and you're headlining, and it's, like, people aren't into it. be pretty crushing night. It could be like a pretty crushing night if it doesn't go well. But at least everyone made me feel like they went well. And maybe they didn't. But I felt like my perception was that they went really well. And I enjoyed it.

Yeah. Dude, I can relate because I get asked to teach meditation in all these places. Like random places that you wouldn't expect. So I did a meditational main stage at Bonarua a few years back. Yeah. And everyone was just like wanting the main act to come out. And it's like you're having to get everyone into a zone. before they experience the thing they want to experience.

And it's like the pressure of that. And thankfully it went okay. It wasn't, you know, everyone was surprisingly quiet. It was impressive. Wow. But it was, you know, my world's very different to yours, but it's that same pressure. It's just like, how do you get people at this music festival?

Right. To be quiet. To have this moment. It's like the antithesis of why they're there. Totally. But when people do it, what's fascinating when it's worked, is the music that comes after it, everyone's senses are like ready for it

because they've gone so... It almost gives them a moment to like reset. Totally. It's like sniffing the coffee beans at Yankee candle before you smell the other candle. You're like, I've smelled all these great candles and now I don't even know what this candle smells like. So you have the...

You're the coffee beans. Yeah, I'm the coffee beans. No one knows they need. And then they smell them and they're like, I'm glad I smelled those coffee. That's how I'm going to explain it. Next to my stairs. That's what I'm going to say.

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or simply wherever you get your podcast. Because everyone said how much fun you were, we were like, we'll put together a fun game for you. We do this for special guests. So this one was done for you. This game is called the Everyday Guy Test. So we're going to see whether you fail or pass the test. Obviously, it's awful fun.

I'm just putting it out there right now that I would fail this test. I'm at, to be honest. So here we go. The Everyday Guy Test. At a restaurant, do you order tap? or filter water. Let me tell you what. I didn't grow up going to restaurants where they even asked what kind of,

there was no water choice. Like that's a, to me, that's a whole new world for me. Yeah. But they're like, they'll come up and they're like, is tap okay or like,

or bottled or still or, I'm like, how many choices are there? How many waters do you have, you know? It's like, would you like it boxed or bottled or decanted? And like,

just water would be, Great. I usually, my answer to that question is whatever's the easiest for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever's the easiest. Because to me, it's just all water. Yeah. I'm not a guy that's of the belief that, like, 9.5 pH water is going to make a difference, to be quite honest. And it probably does. And that may be my downfall at some point. But I'm like, hey, whatever makes your night less of a hassle for me. I love that. Just give me that. I'm fine with me. First thing you can grab, get it.

and I'll drink it. I love it. Regular milk or almond milk? Regular milk. I do like it. I do like an almond milk. I have no beef with an almond milk. But I do, I would say probably, if I had to choose regular milk, man, you're not going

to be the craminess of it. All right. This one I was cracking up at when the team put it in there. Do you tip based on math or vibes? Oh, vibes for sure, dude. Vives for sure. I'm an overtipper. I'm like an overtipper.

I'm one of those. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, Like, yeah, like we go to a nice meal, 100 bucks. Like, great. Like, you know, depending upon the place, of course. But it's like I always try to overtip, man. I'm just grateful for anybody, you know, that works in the service industry. You know, I know how difficult it is, you know, dealing with the public and not everybody's so great.

Not that I'm so great, but I try to just be, you know, it's just another version of like passing along the blessings that you have to someone else and being grateful. You're winning right now, man. This is amazing. You're beating this game. This game is losing, guys. Let's do a few more. Last time you went to the grocery store. Last week.

I go every week, at least twice a week. Choice of grocery store, is there specifically? Okay. You're going to like this one. I like Publix. It's the closest one to me. In the same shopping center, I got a Sprout. Nice.

So if I'm going, like, if I'm going strictly food, I'm probably going to Sprouts. uh paper goods diet coke yeah going to publics you know what i mean uh i love a publics i love a pub sub uh but i love a sprouts man it's like a i love sprouts man it's like a less stressful whole foods you know what i mean like you go in and you're not like feeling like you're in the way you know and i went to this aerouin place yeah oh yeah yeah yeah you want to spend $60 on something going to that Nice, dude. I mean, it's nice in there.

It is like, if you had a different variant of OCD, you would love that place because everything is like, there's not a speck of dust in that place, you know what I mean? But if there was, you would have to pay for it, probably. Because it is not cheap. I'll tell you that much. But great. So good, so good. Do you pack your own clothes or do someone pack for you? Bro, I pack my own stuff, dude.

I might pack him for me, dude. I'm a grown-ass man, dude. I'm packing my bag. Oh, good. All right. Last one. Last one. This one's the last time you Venmo requested someone. Oh, gosh. Let me look. It's probably been a while. Venmo request. Yeah, it's probably been in quite some time, I would say. Let me see. I can pop it up here. I just, I'm now I'm genuinely curious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know that I've requested Venmo. I've paid people on GMO a lot. But actually requesting, I don't even know that I would even have one, to be quite honest. I've only used it. I've got Venmoed.

My buddy sent me a Venmo for some deer stands, as redneck as that is. That's my last Venmo thing, but I can't even find a time that I Venmoed someone else for something. Nice. Because I feel like a lot of the times, like, I'm not a guy. Like, listen, dude, if you're going out to eat with me, like, I'm paying. Like, I'm paying. Like, I'm not a guy that's like, well, you know, just send me, Venmo me $20 for the check or whatever. Like, so yeah, not any Venmo request for me.

You passed the test, the everyday guy test. I survived. You're the everyday. Yeah, you killed that. Your answers are amazing. I was like, we need to test a few more people. So you should have been like, what kind of ranch would you need a spanning ranch? Oh, is that what I mean?

Like, I thought it was going to be like, what kind of diameter? I'm like, oh, boy. I wouldn't know the answer. Yeah, I was, you trust me, I wouldn't either. I wish I was handier than I am. Yeah, yeah. My dad is very handy, but I did not get that gene. My dad was not handy, so I'm not handy.

I was like, you missed out there. I can do it a little bit, but not to the level I would like to. I would love to be able to take an engine apart and just be like, yeah, it would just build me. Wouldn't that be amazing? Dude, people that do that are geniuses, man. I don't care what anybody says, dude, that stuff is so hard, man. My mind is not, like math is not great for me. It just takes me a lot of time to do.

I know how to do it the basic stuff obviously but like dude anything past division and multiplication I'm like you're speaking Chinese I have no idea

you know we got people for that yeah and I'm glad that's the way the world is yes you get somebody that's good at that I do the thing I'm good at

you do the thing you're good at totally community Bing bang right there and everyone wins yeah and everybody wins everybody's happy all right finish the sentence on these ones

first thing that comes to your mind the thing I take way too seriously is video games which games Battlefield 6 recently has been kind of my that's kind of been my thing recently like NCAA football

I love my big football guy take that way too seriously yeah definitely video games Are you playing online or are you playing I'm not playing NCAA online It's too sweaty like everybody's too good you know

there's people obviously I don't take it seriously enough because I'm God awful online. But I just really playing against my buddies. But like, man, you were talking about, like, I'm bent out of shape. Like, I lose. It's like affecting my day to some extent. And I lose a lot. So I'm not very good.

So maybe I probably shouldn't take it too seriously. But I do. I love it. The pettiest thing I've done recently. Oh, it's all going to be practical joke, like joke related. Like me and my buddies are just, we just shred each other. all the time. I mean, it's hard to pick a particular one, but like the jokes, like the jokes can be, like sometimes like when we have, like me and my friends, we're so comfortable around each other

and like we all kind of have a similar sense of humor and we all like know how it operates. Sometimes I have to forget like when we're around people that don't know us at all or that have just met us and we're in like full friendship like joking mode that I'm like maybe these people don't. Maybe we should just a little bit dial it back because people are going to think we're weird, dude. We're going to be like, these guys are complete assholes

to each other. So that it's like, it's all love. Yes, yes. If you didn't know us, you might be like, man, these guys are ruthless, you know what I mean? Me and my boys are the same. Yeah. Like, sometimes I just got a back and off. Like, forget that not everyone knows, has known us for 20 years. Yeah, my wife has to be like, no

personal jokes. Like, like, you're not When your guy friends are a little pet, don't make him around all the people. If it's not just close friends, let's avoid all the jokes about each other. Yeah, that's my pettiness right there. My guilty pleasure artist or song is. Ooh, right now it's Olivia Dean is my. I love Olivia Dean. Gosh, her voice is so good, man.

That's not like something people probably think I'm listening to, but the melodies are so good, man. It's like there's like some, there's like some Amy Wynie. house stuff going on there, which I loved her, man. Unbelievable. There's some like early John Legend stuff going on, like female John Legend vibes, like when he was really rocking the piano. The albums were real piano-centric. He had that, the album, another again, was like a soundtrack to like,

probably like my junior of high school. And when I heard the Olivia Dean record for the first time, my wife put me onto that, I was like, this is like, like I felt like I was listening to another again like all over like for the first time and I loved that vibe of that album like I think her record it also came out at such a great time like and by time I mean like winter fall like it's that kind of like it's like a holiday adjacent like feeling like the piano like good like it just feels good to listen to absolutely um so I'm I'm really, I'm really, really, really,

vibing on that hard lately. I love that. Two more of these. Which fellow country star would you call to help you bury a dead body? Oh, man. Fellow country star. Uh, probably Craig Morgan. Okay.

Craig is like ex-military. He's like one of the most wild dudes I know. And he'd be so happy to, like, help you. He's like the sweetest guy in the world. but like if you crossed him I would be so afraid of like what potentially could happen and like he's a guy to call him like

hey man like I need you come over here and he'd be like well heck buddy I'll be right over there you know and he'd get over and just you'd be like what do we do with that? And he's like oh man I've done that tons of time you know I'm like he's just like he's done everything like he's like

he knows how to do everything like he's like the perfect like man's man guy like he's the sweetest dude ever and I thought you just wouldn't ask any question. He'd be like, man, well, let's get it done, buddy, you know. He's awesome. So good.

So good. All right. First artist you'd want next to you on a long tour bus ride. Okay. Probably like Jordan Davis. He has been on tour with me a couple times. And I feel like we're just really, we have like a similar vibe. Like our crews are similar, like his relationship with like his team and his buddies.

I feel like is very similar to mine. And I mean, he's a family guy, like great dad. Another guy that I feel like is like that is not a country artist. Ed Shearing is like that, man. Like he's, me and him like kind of connected on that level of like, we kind of have the same outlook on life a little bit. I feel like, and not that we're identical. Obviously, we're very different as artists.

But like, you like, you just pick up on that vibe of like, well, this guy's like, I get that this guy's like me. The good Charlotte guys are like that. Benji and Joel Madden, to me, are like two of my favorite. I had dinner with them last night. I have dinner with them every time I'm in L.A. And they're like, I mean, two of the best guys, like, I've ever met, dude. And I just, like, I love finding those people you have that kind of like just connection with that kind of goes beyond, like, word sometimes.

Like, this, like, this guy gets me. I get this guy. We get each other. Like, we're just, like, we just like. We're just viving, dude. Like, we're just bros, like, from the second we met. And Jordan was like that, Ed was like that, and Benji and Joel have been like that.

Those would be, like, my picks for guys. Like, if I had to spend a long time with, then it would just be, like, easy, man. Like, there would be no, like, nothing weird, nothing difficult. Like, they're going to just be easy to deal with. Like, those would be my guys. That sounds like a great tour bus, man. Yeah, it would be fun.

Oh, Luke, you've been so much fun, man. Thanks, too. Like I felt like I've learned about you. You've been so thoughtful. profound, hilarious. Appreciate that. Your good energy. I've had such a good time getting to know you.

I appreciate that. We end every interview with the final five. These have to be answered in one sentence maximum. We ask these to every guest. So Luke Combs, these are your final five. Question one, what is the best advice you've ever heard or received? Wow. What a profound question.

Don't ask questions. Back to my dad. Don't ask questions. Second question. what is the worst advice you've ever heard or received? Don't ask questions. That's a good one. That's a good one.

Yeah. Yeah. That's good. That's good. Question number three. Describe what it felt like performing fast car with Tracy Chapman. Mount Everest, like undeniable. Like just almost like out of body.

Yeah, I love that. In the future when your kids are asked about you, how would you hope the first sentence goes? He was the best dad. Nice. And fifth and final question, we asked this to every guest who's ever been on the show. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be? I hadn't as well.

I hadn't considered that. I'm sure you get some funny answers. I'm sure you get some serious answers. I would feel like it would be, like, don't pee on the seat. Like, the airport, like, it already sucks enough, dude. And then when I sit down and you're old piss on the toilet, like, it is just, that's the end for me. Like, just come on, dude. Like, don't pee on the seat and I won't pee on the seat.

And we all just, we're adults. It's not that fucking hard to not piss on the seat at the airport. It's already gross to be in there, you know. And don't, like, it's like, why are we audibly farting and, like, at the urinal? Like in the, like, you don't have to, you know. It's, listen, if my buddy's fart in front of me, it's funny, dude. I think it's really funny. My kid's fart.

It's really funny. When a stranger farts next to me, like, just pulls the Jake break at the urinal beside me. I'm like, this guy's an animal. And I respect him, but I'm also almost afraid of what he will do. And if he's willing to do this, he's wanted to do anything. Yeah. That has to be one of my favorite answers in all time. That is amazing.

It is practical. It's important. I fully stand behind it. I fully agree. I didn't realize how bad it was until I went to other countries. Totally. And I was like, the bathrooms are so clean.

Totally. Why are all of our bathrooms disgusting? What does that say about us? And now I can't unsee it. I can't unsee how clean public bathrooms are in the rest of the world. And I'm not okay with it. We got it. We got to stop.

I love it. Luke, I'm so excited for everything that you have coming. Thanks, Jay. I love getting to know you. You're awesome. Likewise, man. And wishing you all the best, all the success, all the joy. Thanks for having me.

Love that. You're bringing so much abundance into the world and for others as well. I appreciate that. Yes, sir. Thank you, man. Thank you. All right. If this is the year that you're trying to get creative,

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