On Purpose with Jay Shetty - Miguel & Jay Shetty ON How Seeking the Positive in Difficult Years Can Help Build Mental Fortitude

Episode Date: October 30, 2020

No doubt about it, 2020 has been a difficult year. How do you navigate strange and unusual occurrences without losing your positivity? In this episode of On Purpose, Miguel and Jay Shetty bring awareness to the importance of caring for your mental health. Want to learn some tips on navigating normal routine changes by staying positive? Watch the full episode to learn how Jay Shetty and Miguel practice mental fortitude and use the lessons difficult years bring to grow. Text Jay Shetty 310-997-4177. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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one I want you to think about your own mental well-being. I want you to think about the well-being of your friends in your community. And really think about how you can be a difference in your own life and making it back to the life of others. It's a uplifting and inspiring conversation. I can't wait for you to hear it. Thanks for being here. We got all has going.

How are you, Jay? I'm so good, man. I'm so good. I'm so happy to see you. Thank you, Festival, from the bottom of my heart for doing this, man. I appreciate you so much, and I'm so grateful to spend this time with you. Oh, it's my pleasure. It really is my pleasure, man.

A lot of kind of getting to know more about you through my wife actually has been really inspiring and just catching sort of your perspective and all of the gems that you kind of, you know, you give, you give the people who follow you and help, it just really does help with sort of the daily challenges that we all have to deal with. It's really, really cool. So it's really a pleasure. I appreciate it. Thank you, man. Yeah yeah, that's amazing. And we got to meet earlier this year

before the lockdown. I'm so glad actually that we, and she's incredible. And me and my wife are big fans of your music. We listened to you all the time. We've been listening to your time during lockdown. We listened to you in the car. And so, you know, we're big fans of what you do. And when I saw you open up about mental health and start talking about it, I was in awe

because, you know, obviously so many people connect and resonate with your, your musicianship and your incredible talent, but for you to come out and talk about your own challenges. And I know we'll dive into some of those today. But first of all, I just wanted you to know we're both fans as well. I'm really excited. And I'm looking forward to it. We have to double day at some point. Oh, we love that. We would love that. Yeah, that would be fun. Yeah, today's all about, you know, the key to this festival. And we made it seven days because I was like, well, mental health day. That's not enough time to talk about

mental health. Like this is so much more beyond that. And you've been kind enough to open our event today. I want to start off by just asking you, how have you been during the last few months? What has been the things that you've turned to? How has this experience been for you? Man, it has been, life already has its challenges. And so when are used to sort of having to adjust a lot and pursuit of anything that you love, which, you know, you and I are blessed to have found for ourselves, and so we kind of understand the ebb and flow, sort of unknowing, not knowing what's going to come, but having a real deep sense of direction because of, you know, knowing what we love, even still, I would

say this year has been probably the most challenging. And you know, it's like when you do things like you have a regular routine of like workout, let's say, and then you switch your workout out, you switch it up, you start to use different muscles and you realize all of the things that you really need to reinforce to strengthen. And I think this year has been, you been, it's really revealed some of the things that maybe we could shore up. And for me, it's been sort of mental fortitude, focus, balance.

These things have absolutely been at the forefront, priorities. Those things have been sort of at the top of the brain and have been challenging to sort of, okay, reorganize. But I think it's made it stronger in a lot of ways. So being able to talk about it and still be here, you know, be strong, be able to show up and to still pursue has been, you know, encouraging. It's been encouraging.

Yeah, thank you for sharing that. I love that term you used. I've never heard someone say that way. It's mental fortitude. I'm proud for where did that come from for you. Like, what does that mean for you? And what are you doing daily or weekly? That's helping you build that. I think that was really powerful. Thank you. Yeah. mental fortitude as, you know, my purpose really comes from being a sponge and also being able to be vulnerable.

I lean into emotion, not only because it helps me, but because that's sort of what makes me connect with people. And that's how I connect with people. And there's a switch there. You have to be able to turn off the sort of being a sponge of emotion because when things are happening all around and there's turmoil all around, you kind of have to turn on your brain is that your ability to analyze, sort of put things in their place and not spin out of control in your emotions. And so a mental fortitude is something that I've been, I think it's been a big focus. And tools for that have been, you know, simple things, which we all know, you know, it's like simple routines and self-maintenance in self-care and compassion. I think are big ones for me.

Are those things you're using in this time too? Because you're knowledgeable about this and you have so much insight. So I'm absolutely curious on what's been your product. Like, how has it been for you as well? Yeah, no, it's a great question. I think that for me as well, it's very similar in that. I find that in uncertain times, you have to create your own certainty, right?

So the only way you do that is through having routine, through having ritual, through having prayer or practice or meditation. Like if you don't have that daily, then you're not going to find certainty from anywhere around you. And then the other part of it that's been really interesting to me and you said this at the beginning, I've been fortunate enough at this time to be happy and healthy and safe. And so the way I find certainty and uncertainties to service, so because I'm healthy and safe, I'm going to myself, well what can I do to help someone else who may not be healthy and safe or who may have a bigger difficulty right now. So even this conversation that we're getting to have, and I'm looking at the comments

and I'm seeing people that are like, thank you for saying that. I needed to hear this. You know, I really need to have someone to open up around. And so for me, I'm always thinking, how can I extend myself to others? Because that always feels a sense of certainty in that. Okay, I'm a part of the solution. I'm trying to help. I think when we feel connected to that,

that's a phenomenal feeling. Yeah, that's sort of figuring out how to be of service. It's an interesting way to switch, you know, it's about me or how I'm feeling by then. It does completely change how you integrate with the reality or whatever's happening in this moment because it's empowering. It's also, it's empowering. You're saying, I can.

I can help. And then you put the action behind it. That's actually been a really good tool. And even again, just having the conversation alone, it is really dope to see people just be responsive and say, Hey, I appreciate it. It's really empowering. So that makes a lot of sense. I love that, man. When was it that you first started you? Because I know I've read about your meditation practices before I've read about your journey with mental health. When was it where you started to feel like you needed to talk to someone? What was it about your

own journey? Tell us a bit about that with mental health where you started to not want to talk about it externally, but you realized that you wanted to focus on it internally. And what was it that triggered that? It was around maybe six years ago when I was working on an album and I could feel myself spiraling and just spiraling.

Like my emotions in the pursuit of the music, I was kind of following them too deep and that would be positive and negative. And those sort of things that those habits started to kind of converge until they hit a tipping point and my family had to sit me down and go, hey, like, we're not really sure who you are right now. It's very so drastically.

Sometimes you're who we know, and other times you're a different person. And I had to reconcile with that and realize there was some changes that need to be made. And luckily, I had a family and a support system that was like, not gonna let me just I did, I know I had a family and a support system that was like not gonna let me just do it, you know, which is a blessing in and of itself, massive blessing. And so I, you know, I started, I started seeing a therapist and sort of dealing with the internal dialogue. And I realized that we all have this chatter going on and

We all have this chatter going on and we're sort of either paying attention to some of his great and some of it is not great and a lot of it is not even us. It's sort of reinforced mental habits that we pick up along the way and we just strap on our, you know, our bags and we're just like, okay, I'm going to carry this and it's a part of me. And at some point with the right support system, you get a chance to take a look at that and go, hey, is this like, is this me? Is this really me talking? Or is this like, you know, my community, or my experience is talking to me, my, you know, some of my family members and their experiences that they're passing on to me, really speaking. And once I started to realize that I could do that,

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Yeah, that's beautiful. Thank you for sharing that, man, because hearing you say that, I'm sure a lot of people are listening are like, yes, I felt that. I know what that feels like. I can connect with that. And I think half the time, because all of us are having those conversations in our head. People aren't even aware. And we think that someone else has it perfect. We think that someone else doesn't have that thought. And one of the things I was going to ask you because I found this in my community, and I'd love to hear about it because you said your family was supportive, but you talked about your community. Like I know in the South Asian community that I'm from, and I'm born and raised in London,

but the wider community to mental health is not normal. So in the South Asian community, especially as a South Asian man, no one's ever say or rarely are people gonna say that I'm struggling with mental health because we've seen as a weakness where it is a sign of like a lack of your mandate. How was that in your community and how did you feel like your family was obviously so

supportive? But where was that for you if you don't mind, Sherry? It's such an interesting thing. I think we're in a point in history where we actually can take our minds off of in different ways. It's not just about survival. And I think historically, just in human history, you know, I don't think this is like specific to any place or culture, but survival was at the top of everyone's brains. How are we going to survive? How are we going to make it to the next day? And just by human culture evolving, we have a little bit more free time. And also this connectivity that we have to see how other people are doing it, living and surviving and thriving and maybe not thriving or struggling, we're able to sort of gauge like the possibilities. So our minds are starting to shift culturally as a human culture. And we have the bandwidth to consider

what does living, what does thriving really mean for me? We're able to actually take our minds off just surviving, which I can relate to, you know, from where I come from. It was about survival. I don't come from a, you know, from a family who is wealthy or anything like that. And so as I've gotten older, and again, being able to be in this place

in my journey, I can say, okay, I have this band with now. What is all of this for? It's a challenge. I think a lot of cultures are starting to see this conversation be a part of it. It's a human culture thing now because we're starting to realize like, ooh, our work to survive is starting to come at the cost of the planet of each other, of really being connected, quality of life, and these sorts of things. So the more we can take a look inward, which I'm finding, the more we behave, we choose things that are less about survival and more about purpose and more of fulfillment. And it is more of a film. And it is sort of a weird thing.

I think we're just going through like weird growing pains in humanity where all of these different cultures and communities are starting to go, oh wait, you know, we're sort of dealing with like past experiences. How do we do it better? And I think a big part of that is having these mental health conversations, which are not easy. No, no, no. I love what you shared about history, Deb, because it's almost like survival is like fear-based. So, survival is all fear-based. And if you're coming from a place of fear, that can be really de-energizing. Right? Like, if you've anyone who's listening or watching back at home right now,

and I'm sure Miguel, you've experienced this, like, when you're living from a place of fear, in a relationship, in a job, in a professional relationship, whatever it may be, that, like, completely ruins the energy of this space. Whereas, when you're coming, what you said, like from purpose, that's coming from a place of love, with service, that's coming from a place of love. And these are real frequencies, like these are real vibrational energies, like if you're coming from a place of fear, it's very hard to create anything beautiful or powerful in your life. And it's so interesting that survival, which is how we're all wired is from a

place of fear. And that's the point that this isn't about you being a good or a bad person or you being a fearful person. We're coming. We're all trying to unwire the oil that has been there as Miguel was saying for history for decades and thousands of years. And so we're all having to unwire that, right? Like it's a collective thing. It feels like it. Has it been like awkward transition? Because my understanding is that this wasn't always a focus for you. You know, what was your transition into realizing like, hey, like, I can choose, like, my if I can curate this like curate, this mental dialogue.

Like was that hard for you as well? Yeah, so I got really fortunate because I met monks when I was 18. So when you're 18 years old, I wasn't thinking about any of this. I was just enjoying life growing up in London. It took me a while. I was bullied when I was young for being

overweight and a ton of others and I was the only Indian in my school and that kind of stopped till about the age of 14 and then after 15, 16 I kind of like started getting into my better years and so by 18 it was like life was really good. And I'd had my fair share of personal challenges but overall things were good but when I met the monks, it was really fascinating for me because I realized when I was 18, I'd met people who were rich, I'd met people who were famous, I'd met people who were beautiful and attractive, and I'd met people who are athletic and smart, but I don't think I'd met anyone who was truly happy. Unks were happy, like they had this, they had joy, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, opened up to all of these practices. And I was just like, why wasn't I taught this in school?

Like, how is this not available to everyone? So for me, I mean, I grew up, like I said, born and raised in London, all the habits that you'd expect. But life just got shifted because I met people of higher vibration and frequency. And that's why I value almost introducing people, even people hearing from you today. By the way, your vibe is so like even today, just talking to you, I feel so much skillness through the screen, the presence and that's you. And so when people get to experience that, they go,

oh, that's real. Like I can feel that. Like that's real. And I think that's what I felt when I met the monks. I was like, oh, there's a whole nother plane here that I have nothing about. Like there is a whole nother level here to life because I just thought life was good to college, get a good degree, get a good job, marry someone, probably derail that plan. Right.

I'm married and you know, and that's in those things things but they gave me the tools that I was desperately seeking so I'm dodging your question. How's that New Year's resolution coming along you know the one you made about paying off your pesky credit card debt and finally starting to save a retirement well you're not alone if you haven't made progress yet roughly four in five New Year's resolutions fail within the first month or two. But that doesn't have to be the case for you and your goals. Our podcast How to Money can help. That's right, we're two best buds who've been at it for more than five years now and we want to see you achieve your money goals and it's our goal to provide the information and encouragement you need to do it. We keep the show fresh by answering list our questions, interviewing experts, and focusing on the relevant financial news that you need to

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Yes. I really do believe like it's sort of a weird baton passive. When you have, you know, every generation, our family's generations, it's interesting to baton pass, but they're trying to do better for their family. You know, I'm sure at some point in your family's lineage, they left our abroad or however they got to London. They worked hard to make a better life for you and probably same thing for a lot of people who are here. Now that they had you raised you, they did as good as they could. Now we're here in this whatever part of the whole, you know, whatever this is. We're trying to do it better for our next generation, for our lineage.

And I think we're starting to face now less of the survival again part of it. We're realizing, like you said, there is a whole other plane. We're realizing that it's like when you get around people and I really appreciate that, you know, you're saying about the stillness. It means a lot, man. Because you obviously, you know, you have that thing, and we work really hard for that. We really do because it's no longer about just making sure that we can provide for our families, that we can do this, and it's a blessing to be able to say that we can do that, but realizing that the real quality of life doesn't come from establishing those things. It's sort of like the underlying, you know, whatever piece that you have that makes it like, oh no, like I can actually connect with

whatever's happening right now and be all the way here and be like, I'm good. I don't always have that. You know, it's like, I still do my like, some days my energy is off. And I know that and I'm working on that, you know? It's a daily struggle. But when you know that you can get there, that in and of itself, just realizing it is like a big thing. At 18, that must have been so sick, man, because you're, you know, you still class it like. Yeah, that's why I just consider myself lucky.

And that's why I want to open up conversations like this to younger and younger and younger people. And by the way, everyone's young in the sense of even if someone comes to this at 60 or 50 or whatever, it's like it's never too late or there's not like a timeline on it. And so, but I love what you're saying about parents because I often think like no one ever stopped and asked my parents, how's your mental health? No one ever stopped and asked our parents like, are you working too hard? Do you need to take a break? Do you need to have a self-care day? My parents just work to provide what you're saying. So I love what you're saying there because instead of feeling

bitterness towards our parents or whatever it may be We can actually come and ask them for once. Hey, mom dad Do you need some help with your mental health because they've never been asked that before and we can break the cycle Like what we were saying is we pass it on to future generations We can actually break that cycle of humanity Just thinking about survival versus thinking about Living from a place of deeper well-being. So I I love that messaging because I think often we can get really bitter or resentful towards people who may not have

Helped us but actually they will never help themselves. Ooh, I love that you said that. Because, you know, I think anyone that's here probably has some interest, I mean, it has a general interest in the conversation and must be looking for it, digging for it, working at it themselves. And part of realizing that, you know, we can choose our thoughts, we can really, you know, we are, we can choose our thoughts, we can really, you know,

control and be thoughtful about, okay, is this me or is this my mind? Yeah. Make that separation because the mind is built to program. You know, it's like it's to compute to make, you know, help with that. But then like we start to realize through this journey that there's a whole self behind that. There's like a purpose. That's the gut.

That's the spirit. However, you have whatever we're connected to the bigger thing. And you start to have compassion for yourself. Then you start to look at where everything comes from. And that inevitably takes you to your parents or your role models. And having that conversation like because I'm in my journey, I've, you know, had these conversations with my parents and, you know, sometimes the older generations are less open.

And I would love to get like any tips or anything like that, because I think anyone watching would also probably say they would, at some point have or will have, want to have these conversations with whoever their role models raise. Are there anythings you've found helpful? Yeah, that's wonderful, man. One thing I always remember is that it's always hard, inspiring, influence us, those that are closest to us. And the biggest reason we have to realize is sometimes

we have to get out of the way of their growth. But the challenge is that when we get a sense of growth, we think we have to get everyone around us to grow. And actually, it's about finding and asking the question, who does that person need to meet? What experience does that person need to have? What experience have they not had yet? Can I help them naturally come out of themselves, because

you can't force it out of someone and you can't make someone feel awkward and uncomfortable, like none of us would do that. And ask yourself, what was the experience you had? Maybe you listened to a song, maybe you've been interviewed like this, maybe you read a book, maybe you went into the meditation, like what did you have? Remember that someone else may open up to something completely different. It may not be the same that you opened up to. If it's someone you love, you have to ask yourself, what is it going to take for them? Like what experience do they need?

And they deeply think about that and reflect on it. Then you will find what it is and then you're introducing them to that. So I made a lot of parents sometimes and a lot of parents say to me, like, oh, my kids don't listen to me, but they watch your stuff or whatever. Like, can you talk to them? And I'm like, well, not if you introduce me. And so it's just interesting where you just got to, I feel like you have to really get close to that person and understand them.

But make out. I mean, you've been very generous with your time. And I want to end with one question. I've loved this. Like sharing energy with you and vibration with you has been really special. I feel a synergy, which is really special, but I want to end with this question. What is your message to people for their mental health in 2020? What would you say is your takeaway message for everyone? I would say everyone is dealing with a lot.

If you can have a little bit of patience, if you can make time for yourself, and just consider that no one has all the answers, and just be compassionate, make time for yourself, and breathe through everything. We absolutely have the fortitude within us to be our best even in the worst. It's not easy, I deal with it every day, and I understand that everyone's got their own struggle. But I will say that it is possible. I know it's possible. And I get to talk to people like Jay, I get to talk to you. I get to talk to you know some of my friends who are also creatives and professionals and whatever and family members and use those support systems. You know reach out. Hopefully you're okay. If you're not, talk to somebody. It can be okay.

you're okay if you're not, talk to somebody, it can be okay. Every day is a struggle, but we're all here, we're all trying to do it, and it is possible. And I love you. That is beautiful. Everyone, if you don't already follow Miguel from any one of his tuning from my set, please go and follow Miguel. And listen, there's incredible music. That's definitely going to help you heal. Miguel has helped us with raising awareness about mental health through his music, through his work, through his life and learning with sharing insights and ideas that can just help us a little bit. And I hope that you tune in every single day Miguel. I thank you from the bottom of my heart, but we need to make this conversation much longer and I can't wait to sit down with you. So I'll reach out to you and we'll set something up. I look forward to my friend. Thank you so much for listening to this episode. It would mean the world to me.

If you go and leave a review on iTunes or Spotify or wherever you listen to the podcast, I love seeing what you gain from these episodes. And actually, I want to read a few out for you. So this was a review that I just saw. It was left on October 19th. Jay Shetty is a magnificent gift to the world. That's very kind. This podcast is filled with so many golden nuggets of wisdom and very quickly became one of my favorites. I make it a point to listen to it a few times a week.

Sometimes a few times a day. I'm so grateful for you and I'm so grateful we have access to this information, critical to improving our world. Thank you so much. This is awesome. I really, really appreciate that review. And here is another one.

Love. This podcast has been a spiritual seed planted in my heart to mind. Love this podcast and love Jay's book currently reading. Thank you so much. And this is for a great relationship episode we had recently. I had no idea that I was a scorekeeper, what an awakening. Thank you so much for helping my identity. This major floor working against my marriage. It was an eye opener. So this was awesome. Thank you so much to every single one of you that left a review, and I hope to see you again next week for another episode of Unbubbles. [♪ music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, music playing, I'm Danny Shapiro, host of Family Secrets.

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