On Purpose with Jay Shetty - Miles Chamley-Watson: #1 Mindset Shift That Changes Everything (Try THIS to Stay Sharp, Focused, and In Control)

Episode Date: June 3, 2026

In this conversation, Jay sits down with Olympic medalist and world champion fencer Miles Chamley-Watson to explore the mindset behind true resilience. Miles opens up about how fencing became his anchor through a difficult childhood, and the lessons shaped by failure, racism, family trauma, and the pressure of competing on the world’s biggest stages. Together, they unpack how confidence is earned through competence, how adversity can be turned into fuel, and why real success is staying rooted in who you are while creating opportunities for others. Throughout the episode, Miles shares the principles that helped him turn setbacks into purpose and use his platform to inspire the next generation. In this episode you'll learn: How to Turn Setbacks Into Fuel for Success How to Perform Under Extreme Pressure How to Build Resilience Through Adversity How to Stop Letting Fear Control Your Decisions How to Create a Life Bigger Than Your Achievements How to Be the Person Others Can Look Up To No matter where you are in your journey, remember that you don’t have to be perfect to move forward. Keep learning, stay true to who you are, and trust that growth often happens in the moments that test you the most. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty JAY’S DAILY WISDOM DELIVERED STRAIGHT TO YOUR INBOX Join 900,000+ readers discovering how small daily shifts create big life change with my free newsletter. Subscribe https://news.jayshetty.me/subscribe   Check out our Apple subscription to unlock bonus content of On Purpose! https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast  What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 01:39 Why Is It So Hard to Fit In? 03:28 How Fencing Changed My Life 04:47 The Power of the Right Guidance 06:59 Why Every Great Athlete Needs a Mentor 09:09 Learn to Lose Before You Learn to Win 10:28 Bouncing Back From Your Biggest Defeat 13:58 Breaking Barriers in a Traditionally White Sport 16:19 Turning Anger Into a Competitive Advantage 18:22 What It Takes to Train Like a World-Class Fencer 20:47 Preparing for Competition Day 21:57 Reading and Anticipating Your Opponent 23:06 The Tragic Incident That Changed Fencing Forever 27:50 The Road to Olympic Success 33:00 Reconnecting With an Estranged Parent 39:15 When Life Leaves You Feeling Helpless 44:50 Staying True to Yourself Through Success 46:38 The Role Models Who Shaped My Life 51:01 The Importance of Strong Male Friendships  53:20 What is Inside a Professional Fencer’s Gear Bag? 57:17 Miles on Final Five  Episode Resources: Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/fencerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My mom always said, just win. And then what can they say? I'm the best now. I'm still a 12-year-old kid, just 6-5 covered in tattoos. Winning is great, but changing a sport is bigger than any Olympic gold medal I could ever win. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the place you can't. to become happier, healthier and more healed.

Today's guest is not only a friend, but someone who I'm so fascinated to dive into his mindset. I love top performers, people who are operating at peak places and making incredible impact happen across the world in their field, and this is one of those people. Miles Chambley Watson is an Olympic medalist, redefining the sport with his style, confidence, and a vision that's pushing it far beyond what it's ever been before.

Miles Chamley Watson, welcome to On Purpose. Well, thank you. That was an absolute incredible intro. It's an honor to be here, honestly. Before I kind of got to meet you, it's really nice to be a fan of your work. And I think you instill some incredible ideas on people, made them feel better, which the world needs more than ever.

So thank you for that. And it's an honor. Dude, we met in the best way possible. I felt like we were on a boys trip, which is what I felt like. And it just turned out to be like the easiest conversation. you guys invited me into the wolf pack, which made me feel really, really comfortable.

We played poker from 11 p.m. to 7 a.m. three nights in a row. We were out on the water. It was amazing. And I just, you know, I know that I was kind of coming in fresh and new, and it was just you were one of those people. You and spins especially, good shout at spins. You were one of those people that just made me feel like at home.

So not only are you amazing of what you do, which we'll get into, you're a great guy off as well. So I appreciate you, man. Thank you. I want to dive in by asking you, like, what I heard from you and I've been watching your interviews, and obviously I came to your event, which we'll talk about in a second. But I feel like you always felt like you didn't quite fit in. Talk to me about your earliest memory that reminds you of that feeling.

I think being born in London, my mom was kind of the mom and dad. That was kind of in my life until I was about eight years old. So I think naturally you kind of rebel. So I think when I was playing football, running track and fields, I always felt like I was just, just different, kind of my approach, my mindset. And then we moved to America when I was about nine or ten, kind of in between those years. And those years are very important, right? All your friends are there, your family's there. So naturally, moving from London to New York, I was like, I don't want to be here. So getting into trouble, getting kicked out of my first school,

public school, then it was kicked out of my second school. And then my mother met someone that was on the admissions program for private school, was to give tuition grants because we had money the time. But as a punishment, I had to pick up tennis, fencing, or badminton. As a punishment. Because they considered mental sports. I was like, oh, whatever. Sports are fun. And then I was like, wait, I can pick up a sword and like stab you. Right? I was like the kid's dream. And then immediately, that was my purpose. Because you put the mask on and you feel like a superhero. And I think that was the first time I realized, like, okay, this is going to be my way out, whatever I'm kind of in. And then I was very

ADHD. ADHD. And then fencing me kind of came. my outer role. And as I started to get better in fencing, I started to get better in school. So that kind of ended up being a double-sided sword, which ended up being my job. I kind of got very, very lucky in finding fencing because I don't know where I'd be now if I wasn't, you know, a professional fencer, which is a crazy thing to say, you know? I feel like sports when you're young are so important. What was the difference? Because everyone plays sports. I played a lot of sports growing older. You're obviously phenomenal at what you do. How quickly did you realize that this could be something you were actually really good at.

I think it was immediately. Really? Yeah, I picked it up right away and Ellen Grayson, who I love her to the death. Hello. She was like, Miles, you could be an Olympian. I was like, that's offensive. Really? And I think immediately I felt this connection that was like nothing else in my life.

And it was like my therapy. And I think nowadays it's like kids, ADD, ADHD, first things like, hey, we should give them a pill or give them a drug. And I'm like, find them something that they love. I think that's the key is, and sports are amazing because the money if you're rich or poor, at the end of the day, it's who's going to win, right? Same sword in my hand, same mask on my head. And I think that's why sports are so incredible because they saved my life.

I never knew at that time that it would be my, you know, be or end all, but fencing literally saved my life. Wow. Which is crazy to say. Yeah, but I believe you, I can feel it. Like you were just sitting with you and you're saying that. I'm like, because I feel like so many parents today are wondering how, do I get my kid to be confident? How do I get my kid to like just get out there? And I couldn't agree

with you more that you only feel confident when you have some competence. Like when you feel like you have a skill where you have an ability and you have something to do beyond scrolling on your phone or you know, watching a show while playing video games or whatever it may be. For you talk to me about what do you think life would have looked like if you didn't find fencing that early? I honestly don't know because we're hanging around the corner shops, you know, it's getting into trouble, stealing sweets, It's just kind of because we didn't really know what there was for us. And I think that's also very important having a father figure in your life. And thank God my mom.

My mom found my stepdad, Colin, who I say my dad to you because he is my dad raised me. I think that's also very, very important is because you need someone that's going to tell you know when they can. And I honestly don't think I would be definitely not talking to you. And I definitely don't know if I'd be behind the bars, to be honest with you. Because I was just such a crazy little kid. My friends I grew up with, you know, their plumbers, happy. But I was kind of the only one out of. of us to kind of make it out and create a name for myself.

What area did you grow up in? First, it was Southwest London, and then it was Ealing, and then it was Putney, and then Kilburn a little bit. Yeah, yeah. And then we moved to New York. Yeah, and a really, really funny story, 2012 Olympics, my three friends, Aaron, Adam, and Blake, they're all brothers, they were plumbers, and they actually built the Olympic village. No.

So, yeah, first time I was saying that, yeah, they literally built the village. That's so cool. And they were cool. And they're cool, and like, hey, man, I'm building a village. I was like, what do you mean? And they're like plumbing it and making it. And then they kind of got to see me compete in 2012. And they all came.

So that was a full soccer moment for me. That's amazing. Yeah, yeah. That's so good, man. Yeah, it was crazy. And that just happened by chance. There was no connectivity or anything. By chance.

And I think life is obviously about timing is everything in life. And I really believe that. And I think some things might be not the right time, relationships, partners, sports. But sports, I think of the number one thing. If I have children, I would put them in right away. I'm not going to tell you to be offensive, but I think just sports teach you how to lose. what it feels like, integrity, listening. And I think that's what fencing taught me.

I told you this before. I don't think we had a proper conversation about it. So I did fencing at school. And I won some super amateur championships that are like 14, 15, 16. I don't, you know, maybe, I'm joking. I could never have been good enough to compete with what you do.

But I loved it as a sport, actually. I thought it was pretty, it was really strategic. It was tactical. The fitness level was, you know, it was challenging. I still remember actually really, well, we do it in the gym at school. Talk to me about the importance of a mentor, though, because it sounds like you gave a shout to someone there. And I was like, I think that's the

difference. Like when I played a lot of sports at school, you've got to have someone who kind of takes you under their wing and, like, invests in you and makes you feel like you could go far. And I found them in life. I found them in business. I found them in spirituality and meditation and other areas in my life. But sports is somewhere where I think a coach or a mentor is just the most important person. Talk to me about how you found yours. 100%. I think Ellen Grayson and Eric Rosenberg, they were working at the school at the time,

and they saw my potential. And they actually were the first person to say, get your citizenship. But I didn't realize that I was going to be who I am to this day. Without them, I would never probably see my potential and seen how far I could take fencing. And then my coach, Simon Gershawn, became like my dad.

I can tell him everything. He's kind of teaching me that, you know, that you must learn how to lose, we'll fucking learn how to win, which is a tattoo I have, which I think is so important because understanding the feeling of losing as an athlete is the hardest thing to kind of understand and swallow,

but then you have to understand what that feels like, so when you do win, you appreciate that more than ever. I talk to him every day, if I'm not feeling good, he can sense it. So to me, having a coach and a mentor on a role model is so important. I think now that's why I love being that for the kids now, which is one reason why I saw this league,

but I love seeing kids look up to me, parents ask me questions, and I think if I can be, a little bit of a catalyst or kind of a helper for them, then that's probably bigger than winning any medal I could ever win. That's such great advice. Where's your toe? Yeah, yeah, it's somewhere on here.

Yeah. How many toes do you have? 150. Really? Yeah. That's mad. Yeah, because I tattooed my hands because in fencing were all in white. Yeah.

I was like, you know, I want to stick out. And my mom hated it because she's, you know, a British lady. Now, I remember when we were traveling as well, you got these crazy ones on your shin as well, and the legs, yeah. When did you start? 2012. I got my first one in London. late at the Olympics yeah and it says from london to london and then i won more championships and i got

the dates and then i was like i really like it and then i just kind of went crazy with it but they're all very very purposeful like they're not just random ones i've gotten for just for the sake of it what's the lose and win one again say that again so you must learn how to lose before you can learn how to win i've really liked that yeah that's dope and i and i really understood that when i lost at the Olympics um we got we got four and i was like i'll wait four years and then i kind of changed my whole mentality and then 2013 is when I made history and I was the first ever black American world champion in the history of fencing

and I think if I didn't lose I don't know if I'd ever win which is a weird thing to kind of say but I think it's pretty poignant and I think it is very important for just your character and just trying to be as humble and even cool as you can because I never understand

some athletes who reach a certain peak and they just change who they are and I think if you can keep the little kid in you then I think you'll be able to go through life with a lot more wins than losses. It's such powerful advice.

I remember I had, obviously I never competed at any level, but I remember having a football coach who'd always say to us, he was like, if you win, celebrate for a night

and then get back to training, and if you lose, cry for a night and then get back to training. Yeah. And he was like, all you have to do is get back to training.

Yeah. Said everything else is irrelevant. You can celebrate for one night, you can cry for one night, but get on with it. Because his whole point was like, when we lose, we cry for a month.

And when you win, you celebrate for a night. And that's why you remember the bad times more than the good times because when you lose, you get so deep into it. Talk to me about that loss that you had, the details of what it felt like to lose in that way. Well, it felt like your life was over at that time. My nan was there.

You know, she's an African, like my aunts, my uncles, everybody's supporting me. And I'm like, I feel like I'll let everybody down. And they don't care. They'll be for who I am. But at that time, that was my biggest moment in sports as big in the Olympics in 2012 in London. And I just felt like, oh. Yeah, hometown as well.

hometown ashamed of myself. And a really, really beautiful moment for me was, I'm in the village and the basketball team walks in. And Kobe walks in. And he's like, hi, how are you? I'm like, hi, how are you? I'm Kobe. I know who you are.

I'm like, I'm miles on the fence, sir. And he told me this quote, I never forget it. I got tattooed in my leg. He says, the best athletes have the shortest memory. You win, you forget about it. You lose, you forget about it. When you're done your career, you can celebrate all you want. And I sit there and I was like, wow.

And immediately that grin turned into a smile and then I changed my whole mentality and then I won the next year. I was able to tell him, which was really, really beautiful. But I think when you meet someone like that who you look up to and they're just even more incredible in person

and he's just very humble and told me that from his coach and I never ever forget that and I have a tattooed on the back of my leg with his face. So I think those moments are priceless to me and I think if I would have won

would I've had that time with him or would have been able to do more on my sport. So I think everything has a reason to come into your life, whether it's positive or negative. And I'm grateful for these moments in life that, you know, are incredible. That's such a great story. Yeah, I love it. Kobe came on the podcast, the first year of the podcast. It was brand new. We just started out. And he did exactly what you said. He walked into the room and he introduced himself as Kobe to my whole team. And everyone's like, yeah, we know exactly who are. And my favorite memory from that day was that when we walked in, he was in his office,

and you could just see the silhouette of his head and his team were saying that he was meditating in there before he came to do the interview. And they said he did that every morning. When we finished the interview, this was a little clip. I still have this clip. I've never put it out there because I feel it would be disrespectful. But at the end of it, he goes, I can see why you're number one. And I was just like, that will like stay with me forever. He gave me the biggest hug. And yeah, I was so grateful to it. And that was like three months before. his tragic passing, so it was like right then. But yeah, what an incredible role model, amazing energy,

like so present, really humble, everything you just said, like just meeting someone at that level, that caliber, who was just so down to earth. I don't want to talk too much about it because, obviously, respect to him, but I was on set with Nike talking about him the day it happened. Oh. The day it happened. Wow.

And then Lewis actually texted me, I love you, brother. I was like, I love you too. But my phone was in the green room. and I was talking about him his impact on me and everybody just stood in silence and it was just like it was you know

I think larger than life these people and life's a brutal reminder and I think it's just enjoy every moment you can negatives or positives and I think that's all we can do in life and just leave with love and everyone else will take care of itself

but that man was so special yeah one of a kind he was one of the few athletes I knew that was peaceful in retirement. Yeah. He was really happy because he was getting, he won the Oscar for the short film

that was teaching lessons from basketball. Yeah, exactly. But I was thinking about it. You mentioned something there. You said that you're the first black person in the sport to win. I mean, that just first of all, that is a huge accomplishment.

Congratulations. I just want to acknowledge and honor just what a big deal that is. But fencing is known for being a notoriously white sport. Yeah. Like that's what it's always been, I assume. You can film you.

in the history a little bit. Talk to me about even breaking into something like that because I don't, that's not normal, that doesn't sound easy. I'm sure there's a lot of things to navigate. Like, walk me through that experience. I was in this group class and, you know, they picked one on a team. We did like a first team event. It was like, so three people in one team versus the three.

And every time I was picked lost, knowing I was not the worst one, and at the time you're kind of like, all right, this is weird. I'm only one that kind of looks like me in it. And then I started to realize that no one in the sport really made a mark on them that was my color. So it's Peter Westbrook who I have to give some homage to. And then my first ever Junior Olympics, I never forget it. I got five red cards for no reason. And I knew it was because of color my skin.

Because the next day I won the under 17. I knew it. And now I've seen the referee still to this day. And I still have this. I was like a little kid. And it's just you don't know why things are happening to you. But then as I got old, I started to realize it was just because of the color of my skin. Because knowing that sport had broken that mold.

And there's been countless times of referees and coaches that are just racial gestures that I've never really talked about. Because my mom always just said, just win. And then what can they say? I've had many, many occasions from probably 14 until 17, 18. Then I was like, I'm the best now. And it's unfortunate because now there's still racism in the sport, right? It happened with this kid in Amsterdam and a message. right away.

Like, you know, I have your back and I'll talk about it and post about it because it's, you need someone who's going to have your back because it's a very lonely feeling when you're the only one that has felt this way. Once I started to realize that, I made it like a positive chip on my shoulder. And I was like, okay. And I never look at life as anything negative, whether it's, you know, being racially profiled or losing. I always have a positive outlook on everything because it's never lost.

It's always a lesson. And I think that was something that I was like, okay, this is going to be change in a sport. and I will leave fencing in good hands because I know I've changed a sport for the best. How did you handle it at the time when you didn't have someone reaching out to you? The good thing about fencing is I can take my aggression out on my opponent.

So it's a positive thing for the sport. To channel it. Yeah, you know, you're crying in the locked room. I never crying for my mom. You know, luckily have a mask on. You know, you know, shake your opponent and put the mask back on. But I think at that age, it's okay to cry

and it's okay to let things out because there are coaches and parents who I've seen who have actually shun their kids for showing emotions. I've seen parents leave their kids in competitions because their kid lost to me. And actually the kid is actually my friend now. And it's just a shame that parents don't realize how much pressure there is on us to just win.

So I think now seeing kids that look more like us, brown, white, whatever, girls, I just want to make them feel comfortable and happy and safe. And I think if I can be this, beacon for them, then that's what I want to do in the sport. Well, that was so incredible when you launched the World Fencing League. I just got to attend in L.A. I felt like you had people from different countries, different cultures, different backgrounds.

I mean, that was pretty epic, man. That was amazing. It was honestly a dream come true. We sold out. We wrote records, I think over a million people live watching, which is more than the Olympics. And I think just seeing kids so happy that their sport is on the map was the best feeling I've ever felt my life. So seeing all the little kids on the road carpet,

to all the fences inside telling me, man, I think you've done it. That was to me the greatest day of my life. Because it was just, we really changed the sport on one day because now there's the audience of people that have never seen it. Like yourself, like people in tech, people in sports, people that I've looked up to, to the fencing fans to get the love that they deserved was incredible.

Even as I'm smiling because I'm generally so happy that it happened. And now the response has been so positive. so we can keep growing and growing. I just want to get fencing on a mainstream channel and platform, which is going to happen. But it takes someone like myself to know that it's going to be tough, but I can't handle it. Pride is like love.

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For anyone who doesn't really know that much about fencing or is new to it, walk us through like what the regime is, what the fitness training is, what the skill is, what the art is like how you train. It's almost like when people watch drive to survive, that was when people realized whatever. one drivers did. Yeah. I'm sure you're working on a version of that for fencing. I see it. Yes.

And I feel like getting inside your mind is interesting to me because I'm like, I love knowing how people who are performing at the highest levels, figured that out because that's what I'm obsessed with is knowing how you perform at that level and that peak. So what's the training? What's the focus? What's the patterns? What are the things that you have to do that might surprise us?

I would say fencing is like physical chess, right? where it's mentally just as taxing as physically. Because I have to think what you're going to do ahead and then react to what you're going to do as well. So I say the three main things would be being explosive, your reaction and your timing. So if I have to react to you and then my timing of hitting you before you can hit me, I would say is very, very important.

But then it becomes a beautiful dance as well where I'm more of a feeling type of fencer where I like to see what you're going to do, like to look at your feet and to look at your mannerisms. But then there's guys that are very good too, that are very mental and they'll just sit kind of more defensive and kind of pick you apart. I would say fencing is like if boxing, taekwondo, and 100 meters had a baby. Wow.

Because you have to be very explosive right after the gate. You have to be very, very reactive. But then you have to have a feeling of kind of, if things go bad, how do I change right away? So it's kind of like there's no real sport like fencing because it's so unique. And then once you see it in person, you're like, oh, my God, they're real athletes. I'm like, don't like the parent trap, you know? Great movie, but I'm like, oh, yeah. I'm like, no, no, no.

People died 50, 60 years ago because it's an actual sword, right? I do the foil discipline, but so I'd say it's like physical chess, what I tell people, where it's just as taxing mentally as it is physically. It's such a unique sport because it is grip strength as well as core and your legs because you're going to squat the entire time. And I think, you know, as you saw, it's so explosive and it can be over in five minutes or 40 minutes. So you have a great V-O-2 as well.

Get your heart rate from, you know, 1-60-1-70 back to the low 70s, 80s. So, yeah, it's a crazy sport. When you're training for a big tournament, what does your regime look like for how long? So I would say pre-season, we're doing a lot of cardio, and it's like similar to boxing, right? So we'll do 10 rounds on the soft bike. You know, 20 seconds on, 40 seconds off, 10 times,

and we'll do the ski arc, and we'll do sprinting. We don't necessarily need too much distance work, but it's more like high intensity, get the hot right down, get that right back up again. And then I like to train four to five times a week. So Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday is big fencing, which is sparring, kind of get the fencing stamina. And then Tuesday, Thursday, if you want to do Friday as well,

it's more of a lesson, which is one-on-one with your coach, which is, how do I want to get better in this tactical movement? And I say that's kind of the building block for most fences. Got it. Yeah, whether you're 12, whether you're my age. It's pretty intense at a young age. And then how much are you fencing, like, how much are you training different moves and, if that's even the right word? Yeah, no, no, that's good. Well, I'm very creative, so I like to make up my own moves by myself.

I like to spend an hour of my own in the gym when no one's there. Well, that's why I find so hard about fencing is that. When I saw it at the World Fencing League, to me, I was like, how do they predict anything? Because you could do anything. Like, obviously the target mark is only the upper part of the body, right? Yeah, exactly. You can't get someone's face. You can't get someone's legs.

You can't get someone's feet. But even with that, I was like, the way the fences were moving their foil, I was like, how would you know what they're about to do? Because it's so unpredictable. It's not like, it's not obvious. It's not like, oh, there's this move and this move and this move. Some opponents have like specific mannerisms where like Say Italians are very good at putting pressure on you

You know Russians are more tactical French can't have both Oh it's by country Kind of yeah I would say yeah There's a style in each country And then the Asians have incredible footwork Like it's insane So you can kind of know that

With a fencing a Korean you have to move your legs like crazy Italian you have to think a lot and react French they kind of have everything in one and then Americans are kind of unpredictable as well. We have our own styles, but I would say for the most part, yeah, it is actually by country. Now I'm like, yeah, it is. Yeah, it is.

When you said people died in the sport, how long ago? I would say 65, 75 years ago. What? Because they didn't have the... Yeah, so back in the day, it was dry. So, Smirinoff and Barry were fencing, and unfortunately, the foil broke off and went through his eye, and it killed him immediately.

So nowadays, if it breaks, there's a light that comes on right away. But back in the day, it was dry. So you just have to hope it doesn't break. So it was real, real, like some warrior stuff back in the day. And now it's obviously progressed. And now we've added new tech, which we did in the whole league. But it is a, it is, we're literally sword fighting. I think people don't understand how hard it is until you see it.

Like, it's really, really tough. Yeah. And I'll play football. I ran track. I play tennis. But I think you do realize it is an intense sport. So if I can give that, you know, kind of knowledge. to the people that don't know

to understand it more, I think that's a massive key. Yeah. I also feel like you bring your swag to fencing. You just mentioned the Met Gala. Like I'm like, you can go from like fencing outfit to Met Gala to streetwear.

I'm like, I'm sure you don't see that a lot in fencing either. Yeah, I think. You've got your own Nike swag that people. Second one, you know? Yeah. Honestly, those are dreams. I think like, I always knew that I wanted to do something different

and like never be in a box. but like to be yourself, and I think the best of anybody can't ever say is miles you've never changed. That's the best compliment. I can't even tell some of my teammates what I'm doing because it just sounds so ridiculous.

I don't ever come off as like, as cocky or, you know, I'm pretty humble if you meet me. So I think from like going from a competition in Istanbul to Miami F1 to the Met to going right into training, people think I don't miss training. But I go from the airplane to training.

So I think like it is a lot of, lot of pressure, but it also is a blessing, but when if I'm tired, I'm like, mate, look at your life. Like, you're doing some pretty cool things. They're all a blessing, but it is, it is a lot. But I try my best to take some time to, you know, meditate. I'm trying to do that. I'm learning because I'm ADD is. Next time instead of poker, we'll do that with everyone. Yeah, we should. No, I really, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, all before even. Oh, before, yeah. Because I think people don't want to spend time with themselves. And for me, I love hell myself. It's not. It's not. sounds crazy, but I love just being at home.

I'm reading, I'm finishing the untethered soul right now. I'm reading, which is crazy to me. It's a great book. Great book. Obviously, I love TV. I love shows and sports, but I'm trying my best now to, like, take a deep breath and try and shut my phone off at like 10, 30 at home. And just, you know, I take some time with myself and like, how are you doing?

Are you good? And then I'm, yeah, I'm good. I'm generally a happy person, like, actually happy. So, like, I'm good on that. But it was also just like, all right, like, take a deep breath and just, relax for once. And I think that's my hardest part is the balance. And I think that's the ongoing battle. Yeah, I feel like we all think our worth comes from being busy and productive and always being on. And it's a good distraction away from your actual thoughts. Exactly. And what's

actually going on inside. And then when you slow down, the thought arises and you go, oh gosh, I don't know if I can sit with this. Yeah. And that's what I always say that people, that's probably the hardest sport in the world is sitting with your thoughts. Like fighting with your thoughts is the hardest sport in the world. Honestly, 100%. Because especially, like, as athletes, right? It's like, you're in the hotel room before. And you can't help yourself but to think about tomorrow.

So, like, I read this book about Samarize, and it said, you can't, don't worry about what you don't know. And that's why now I never talk about fencing, I never watch fencing until the morning of. I don't even know who I fenced until the morning. So you don't analyze the opponent until the morning. Sometimes I don't know how I'm going to fence until I'm on this trip, which is kind of crazy. Why?

Because one time I knew, and I couldn't sleep. And then I'm envisioning. my head and I wake up when I'm tired. At the end of the day, if I don't know what I'm going to do fencing, how the hell could you plan for me? Yeah, yeah. Right? So I realize that.

So now I don't ever ever talk about fencing, think about fencing. I don't want to know. I don't even go to the venue that before. I just, whatever city I meant, and kind of walk around. That is definitely unique for an athlete. Oh, it's crazy. Yeah. People are like, why are you doing that?

But like, that helps me. Yeah. And then that's how I deal with pressure. Because in the end of the day, pressure is a privilege. But it also comes with a lot of. pressure, but also understanding now that like, if you can have this understanding that like you're supposed to win competition, that's a gift. So if you can lean into that, like most people don't, aren't supposed to win. So they've got no real pressure. Yeah. So I think now understanding that's

actually a gift has helped me be like, all right, like just, you know, lean into this. So I think just learning more about myself has given me more understanding of the sport of fencing. Yeah. Talk to me about the road to your favorite. tournaments, whether it's the Olympics, winning bronze, world champion. Like, talk to me. Let's talk about the Olympics first, because I mean, and you brought us the Olympic medal, which is incredible, which we're going to, that, I mean, I've never seen one in real life. Like you said, everyone's wearing the fake ones when they're out or whatever in the pictures. Yeah. Talk to me about what it felt like getting to the Olympics, winning bronze.

I would say getting there, you know, 0.001% of the population gets to go to the Olympics. I think it's like 0.001 get a medal, right? So, unless you're felt, it's got, 2,000 of them. But I think when you get there, at least my first one, I changed everything. I was serious. I didn't see my friends,

which ended up being their own decision. And then the next year, I was like, you know, I'm going to enjoy this. I'm going to get dinner my friend the night before and I won.

That was me realizing that not everybody is the same athlete. And yes, there's rules and techniques and routines, but like, I'm not like the next person, so why should I prepare like them? So then once I started to understand that I'm different, then that kind of led me up to Rio.

And I actually lived in Korea a little bit. And I trained with Yang Ho Kim. And I won the first Grand Prix of the season. People are like, why is he going to Korea? I'm like, why not? And I won the first Grand Prix of the season. And I was like, that's why. Because I wanted to learn something new.

I think as athletes, change is okay. But sometimes it's hard to take that leap, right? And then I made the Olympics. and they had the best team fencing of my life. And I was able to enjoy the moment, the process, be in Rio, you know, meet the other athletes. And I think that was when I realized you need to enjoy the journey because when you're done, besides a medal,

memories to me are more important. And if you lose those memories and you've lost, I think, the coolest part of the journey. So I think leaning into like the understanding and having fun was ultimately while I was able to, you know, go to three Olympics and have success. And, you know, now I'm like, There's kids like, I'm so stressed.

I'm like, what are you stressed about? Because you want to win? That means you care. Next thing. So I've been able to go through each of these ebbs and flows and have answers to most of them, which I think is the key to success, right? Everybody can be really, really good. If you can unlock the mind, that's when you become a legend.

And that's when I'm learning from people who are legends of, you know, taking those risks and being crazy. Because, you know, it takes one person to change the world, right? There's one person to change a sport. and I think if I can be that person, then I've created a whole new roadmap for the next kids to, oh wow, this is a different approach for me, which has been a blessing.

I love that. I love the idea of you get a career learning a new school of thought. I love the idea of being this multifaceted individual because you're so right that whether it's sports or whether it's business, whatever it is, everyone thinks that there's only one way to do it right. And then you speak to all these founders

and you're like, no, they all did something different. They discovered their idea differently. they built teams differently, and they took their human experience and put it into what they were doing. And that's what made it as good as it was. I've really been on this hype of wanting anyone, whatever industry you're in, whether it's sports, media, business, whatever is finance tech, to find what it is that makes you different and lean into that and not lean into thinking, how do I look like that other guy who's doing it as well? Because I think that time is gone.

I think that time existed. Back in the day, you had to wear the suit like that guy wore, and you had to wear the shoe. that he wore and you had to play golf like him or whatever it was. And I was like, that's changed now. It just doesn't work that way. Exactly. He said it perfectly because there's always this thing about like, I have to do, I can't have a tattoo because I'm not going to get a job.

I told my mom, I'll be the first ever, not that money matters, but I'll be the first ever millionaire fencer. It's like saying I'm going to see a unicorn because it's never existed. But I knew if I was just myself, it would figure itself out, right? Then I have tattoos. And now kids are getting tattoos because it's such a still elitist uppity sport. and you can't do these things. I'm like, no, why not?

You know, oh, I won't be in a meeting with CEOs. I'm actually sitting with a guy that made your phone and I'm myself. Right? So like you said, I think that time is gone. But I think people are still so scared to take a risk. And I think that's the difference. There's so many people that are the same nowadays, which is, I think, the issue.

And I think if you can just honestly be yourself, you'll figure out what life is for you. And I think I never wanted to be like anybody else in sports or life in general. And there were those times when I was like, what's the right decision? But I knew, keep your head down, keep being you, and things would happen for you. And they did.

I used to think that fencing was like my kind of anchor. Oh, he's a fencer, but that's actually my gift. I used to lie to people. Oh, yeah, I play basketball. I'd believe it, yeah. Because the people were trying to make fun of me or trying to fight me or bully me in school, yeah, because I was a fencer.

Wow. Because to them it was not a cool sport. And then now my Instagram is fencer, and I'm like, that's what I'm doing. That's my purpose. purpose, right? And Michael Strayhan, when one of my great friends, a mentor always told me, never mess up your main and keep that your main. I was like, fencing is my main. Everything else will come, but just don't lose sight of what you were here on his planet to do.

Did it affect you between when your father left when you were eight and then before you had your now dad that you mentioned? Like, did that affect you in any way, like? I think it did for sure. And I think there are times of like, now that I'm old and I can understand it, like why are you getting into trouble? Why are you doing these things? I think it probably does stem from trauma or stem from something because why else would I be adding up? My mom's amazing mom, she's giving all the right lessons

like why things's happening. Obviously one of my best friends, Lewis was but you need to attack that and you need to understand that, right? Like, why is this happening? And I went on a spiritual journey and understood, oh wow. And I didn't talk to him for over 10 years.

Oh wow. Yeah. Your biological father. Yeah. And then, you know, I had this Awakening, picked up the phone and called him. I said, hey, dad, this is Miles. How are you?

I don't know about the past. How has everything gone? Because I also realized that kids don't realize that their parents are growing up as well. And that was like, oh wow. Not saying right or wrong, but once I did that, it was like a... And then I think I started to just understand way more about myself. So I think definitely I had trauma, without even knowing it was trauma at the time. And then now it's like I've got such a clear understanding of that probably made me who I am.

So I almost wouldn't want it any other way. And then my stepdad who is my dad is the most amazing person. He taught me how to be a man. And I think that's the coolest part is having this kind of roller coaster journey created, you know, this person in front of you. But I think not having that grown up somehow helped me not take no for an answer and really knock some doors down. So I think it definitely was a time when I had to be like, okay, why are you getting in trouble? Why are you getting arrested? Why are you doing these things?

Did you get arrested? Yeah. One time I was just stupid competition and I was like throwing these like shampoo bottles down. And then it was just stupid. I got handcuffed. Then my mom walked in. Oh, this is the worst story. And then my mom walked in as it happened.

And I was like, oh my God. You're more scared of your mom than the car. A hundred percent. Oh my God. age for sure. And then it was just like these moments of like, why are you getting in trouble? Why are you getting in a fight? It's just, you know, but I think it all stemmed from trauma that I was like, small things like I never had that, uh, what's it, the birds and the bees talk, whatever that is your parent, all those small little things that I think are important, especially

at that age. So I think that was definitely a reason for all of my negative antics was definitely probably because it was just my mom and she was trying her best. No, she was crushing it, but she never complained and never saw her cry, never saw her anything. And now she's, hopefully, living the life. But she is the strongest man and women I know by far. What did your biological dad say when you called him after those 10 years? I remember yesterday it was like a, uh, hello? I was like, yes, Miles.

He was like, hi, son. And then I was like, listen, I don't care about the past. Do you need anything? How are you? Talk for about, I want to say it was like 45 seconds, I think I remember seeing on the phone. And then it was just like a, whoa. But it was like a really nice closing a chapter and then opening a chapter. I remember I posted about it because I was very scared.

And especially like black men, it's very common. You know what I know, I talked about it. And I got so many lovely messages like, I'm going to call my dad. And I was like, oh wow, I didn't realize it was such a big thing to talk about. I've gone to a lot of my life, but they're all blessings in a way. but I think it's so important to address issues as matter how hard they are for you at the time. Yeah, and now, you know, he's never seen me fence before,

which is crazy. And now I'm like, maybe that's a time. You know, who knows? I'm open to it for the first time because back in the day, I was like, I'll never talk to again. But now it's like... What opened you up to it? I think just understanding that everybody has their own issues,

whether they're good or bad, I have to understand that as well. You know, there's some things that he's going on in his life that he hasn't told me or certain things, right? And I think just understanding that the parents are still growing up in front of your eyes, that then had all the answers was like, oh, okay, Miles. Now I know the dad I will be when I have kids. You know? So I think that was really, really eye-opening for me to understand that.

You're going to cry, cry, mate, you know, that's all right. I remember I didn't cry for like 16 years. So I was like, I'm, you know, just stone cold, this and that. And I was like, it's all right. And there's nothing wrong with that. I think it's such a stigma. And then now I was like, no, like, you all have emotions. Those are okay.

So I think that was just a massive learning process for me, which helped me in my sports. Because now I was like, I couldn't do anything. That was harder. That was way harder. Calling him was way harder than any training session I've ever done in my life. I could have done my Everest.

I probably would have picked my Everest over a phone call. I'm not kidding. I think people underestimate how much a lot of our physical and mental blocks are actually emotional. If we were able to get past and do the emotional thing, then we'd be able to do physical and mental things that we don't even think is possible. But we're all blocking ourselves and limiting ourselves

because there's some sort of emotional unlock that we haven't allowed, whether it's forgiveness, resilience, courage, fear, whatever it may be. And that's really powerful to hear, man. Thank you for sharing that. It feels as good to talk about it. Yeah, yeah. I almost forgot we're on a podcast.

I feel like we're just having a chat. And I think that's the cool thing. It's like, emotions are your best friend, right? If you're feeling a certain way, you can lead into it. Just don't let that dictate your entire day. So I think that's something that I learned as well. I'm feeling this way, let it out and then move on. And then it all ties into just understanding who you are at the core.

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Or listen now at iHeartRadio.ca. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a new? name Hey Jonas, guys. I honestly don't remember.

I think it was on a call about what we should call it. We were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. How did you develop all these mindsets and principles? Where did you learn them from? Because you're like, I'm like talking to a philosopher over here. No, but I mean it. And I'm saying in a positive sense, you've got, it almost feels like you've got these codes that you follow and you've programmed your mind to think in this certain way.

Where did you pick them up from along the way? My mom said the same thing recently. And I don't really know where they've come from. But I just feel like if you're going to have to do something, right, why not try and do it with a smile on your face, right? If I got to go to training, if I'm angry or not, I have to do it anyway. And I think one of the biggest moments, which I'll talk about right now, which I don't like to talk about, no one really knows.

But the first Olympic qualifier, I was on the way to, I believe, Vegas to support Lewis for the race. my sister suffered a stroke, 37 years old. That was probably the hardest moment I've ever had to kind of understand. And I forget about the Olympics. I flew to Miami, opened the door, I see my sister with a feeding tube and a breathing tube. Unfortunately, you know, it's the times when you have to just lean into it. And as the first time I became a man.

And as the first time I ever saw my mom cry. Sorry, mom. But I just was like, okay, this is happening. How do we find some type of silver lining in this moment? And, you know, start in the hospital, writing things down, journaling. All those past situations prepared me for this. I was able to just be an umbrella for the family. And I think that was the moment where I was like, okay, wow, I got this.

You know, she got two beautiful kids, you know, obviously this is, you know, domestic violence, which is one thing, which is awful. And I think this is my sister who, as a brother, she understands, what I want to do is, you know, is take care of my sister. And, you know, there's certain things that, you know, she won't tell you, all these things because she knows,

I was like what her brother would want to do. And I was like, okay, Miles, we're going to figure this out. And I was able to make the Olympic team, which probably the first time anybody's going to know while dealing with this. I would fly from Japan to Miami, spent some time in the hospital, how about with the kids, changing nappies for the first time, you know, just being there for my family. And my mom and dad did the most incredible job I've ever seen of just becoming parents again. And I think that's where whoever you believe in is testing you because you know you can handle it. And I realized that I can handle anything. And it was kind of compartmentalizing this is going from the hospital ICU to a competition.

And somehow doing well is the biggest accomplishment I could. I don't even know how I did it, to be honest with you. I've got no idea. So making the Olympics was like, that was nothing. So I think that's when you feel helpless, right? And you feel like I can't do anything because I literally can't do anything but just give positive love and energy. And I figured out a way to,

if I can make my family feel at ease or smile. And, you know, that's going to help through this process. That to me was the first time I became a man, 100%. So now talking about it and, you know, showing people what I had to go through, I think you realize why, I go so hard because there's nothing that will stop me or can stop me. Because I've seen my, you know, my sister on those ICUs, which is the scariest place to be.

And as a brother, you know, making her smile and doing these things is why you're putting this on this planet Earth. And I think you've got people around you to talk about it. You know, Lewis would fly in and see my sister. You know, that's the most emotional thing I've ever been to is just time and support. knowing how busy he is and, you know, spins just being there for me is, like, beautiful. So I think if I can take that and as like my Dragon Ball Z

and, you know, build that up and give it to the world, we can do anything. Thank you for sharing. How is she now? She's getting much better. Yeah, thank you. She's, you know, she's actually in London. Oh, no way.

With a Nats, she can fly again. Okay. You know, she's obviously recovery, you know, stroke is very extreme. She still has to learn speech stuff back. Yeah, yeah. But she can function on her own, and she's stronger than me. And I'm still a little brother, but I became a big, big brother at that time. I've seen people I know go through strokes, and it's, I mean, yeah, it's one of the most scary things to what someone you love go through.

At 37. At 37. That's, yeah. Healthy, run marathons. I can't run a marathon. Yeah. Yeah, you got to, you know, choose your partner, right? And stress is a real thing.

Yeah. It puts everything into perspective those moments. It's funny because at that time, the Olympics is everything for me. When you get there, perspective is mad because it's like, that's actually the smallest thing you could accomplish in my life because it's obviously different things I want to do my life. But it's funny how, like, at that time, it's, if I don't make it, my life is over. You know, and they make it, you're like, I'm so grateful,

but there's so much more to life than just that. Mars, what are you most proud of in your life? Because you talked about the hardest times, most difficult times. What are you most proud of so far? Never losing miles along this journey. I'm still a 12-year-old kid, just 6-5 covered in tattoos. And changing my sport forever is probably the two things I'm most proud of. Winning's great, but changing a sport is bigger than any Olympic gold medal I could ever win.

I got a message recently that this kid used to get bullied in school. a black kid as well from North Carolina mom sent me a message he showed them pictures of me at school and that changed which is crazy to me right so like that to me is so cool

if I can just be a beacon of light to these kids I've done my job I think that's what I'm most proud of you see you're getting emotional about it yeah I never thought man I never in my life thought I would ever have impact on these kids never

because in fencing I never anyone that I wanted to look like look up to or be like. So if I can see these kids, you know, at the league, they come up to me and they're like, I love you. I'm like, you know, I love you too. But it's so beautiful to have this love from them. And the parents are like, oh, you're so nice and kind of normal. I'm like, yeah, my parents raised me to be this way.

I think at the end of the day, we're all human beings. And as long as you go to good heart and good core, I think that's the most important thing. Definitely, definitely. And you're surrounded by that too. I mean, like, you know, you mentioned Lewis there as well. Like, he's so humble, he's so down to earth. Like, you never know. You would never know.

Like, you know, he's the most unassuming guy. And I feel like, who are the other athletes that you admire, that you talk to, that you pick their brain, that you try and understand their process as well and how they live life? Well, one was definitely Kobe, you know, like, asking him questions. Like, do you really watch, like, lions eating prey before, you know, he's like, yeah. And I'm like, oh, my God. And just like that mentality is so rare. You guys why he's the mama mentality.

That's one of them for sure. Michael Strayhan as well has been an amazing person of transitional from athlete to post-athlet. But yeah, there's not that two men that I've spent too much time with. We're able to like sit down and really kind of dissect you. You're all busy. Everyone's got a crazy schedule. Yeah.

Athletes have the craziest schedules. You know, I understand your time is yes. There's not, might be the wrong time. whatever, but I would say definitely, obviously, Lewis, Michael, Kobe, those are the kind of people that I've been able to, you know, you as well. I'm not an athlete. Like you said, you know, I think I understand your thoughts is the hardest sport. But yeah, there's not many I've really had the opportunity to spend time with beyond just

high, I respect what you do and best of luck. Miles, what have I not asked you that you wish I did? What have you not shared? What have you not talked about? Maybe that's great, great questions. I was just curious, man. I was like, you know, we just had fun last summer. And that's all thanks to Lewis too.

Big shout out to Lewis for connecting us. But I'm like, we just had a good time. And I was like, I want to get to know this guy, you know, because you obviously are operating at a high level. But I didn't realize, and this is what I love about doing this. This is why I love this podcast so much is because I thought the most interesting thing was what you did. And now I'm sitting with you, I'm like, no, what you've been through

and what you've lived through and what you've learned is so much more interesting. And I think that's the reason why the podcast is called On Purpose, because it's people's purpose and their mission and their values and their belief is so much more fascinating than what we do for work. What we do for work is great, it's cool. But beyond that, there's a whole human that, you know, that lives and exists. Exactly, exactly. And the human is like what keeps us going.

It's the heart rate. It's everything. But at the end of the day, we have these gifts in life. And it's like, how you're going to use these in the best way possible, right? So from a little kid from London to having two Nike shoes, never in my life, to creating a walt, to a fencing league, is just all you need in life is self-belief. And I have a tattooed right here. That's all you need in life. If you have those, you know, pinnacles and those beliefs, you can do anything.

And I think, you know, meeting you, someone who I've been a fan of before getting to know you, is like, oh, he's even more incredible in person. Because you're the same on camera and off camera. which very few people are like that, especially in the field you're in. I think that's the case. And when people see me, they're like, oh, you're nice and funny. I'm like, yeah, what do you think I was?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys were a bad influence on me. I played poker for the first time in 20 years because of these guys. I hadn't played for 20 years. And the fact that I won that now, I was pretty impressed. You smoked us. What did you mean? You destroyed us. Watching Lewis go down was the best bit there.

Yeah, and he was like, I'm buying it again. I was like, okay, well, send me some money, bro. I hadn't played for 20 years, but I was like, you know, I want to bond with the guys. Yeah. Want to stay out, you know, want to hang out and say, you guys are a bad influence on me for sure. No, but you're one of us now, you know, all the Wolfpack. But it's, that's what I'm so grateful for is, like, connections beyond just, you know, these kind of surface level. It's like, I know that if I was ever, like, talk to you about someone, you give me an honest answer.

I think that's the key is. I never want any friends with people around me that it's like, oh, are you doing good? It's like, let me be real with you. I think that's the key is whoever is around you is affection of yourself. So like you know, all the boys, spins, they're all just amazing humans that push me to be a better person. I think that's the key to why we're so special in our crew

is because we keep each other accountable, we support each other, and we generally want each other to win. I think it's a very rare thing for people, especially men in general. I was about to say that's what's so impressive about it is that it's a group of men who are killing it on their sports, like doing incredible things,

but at the same time have this brotherhood that you guys have all built with each other, that feels like a massive, massive thing to be proud of, especially when right now men, there's so much loneliness for men across the world. Especially in the States, the loneliness statistics are so high. And men don't know how to connect with each other,

they can't pick up the phone to each other. What would you say to a man who's lonely doesn't know how to pick up the phone to his friend and tell him how he feels? What would you say? This quote was, we're just passing through and a tattoo to hear where it's, whatever moment you're feeling,

no, it's not forever. Right? And I think that's something to understand is like, this is not going to be forever, but also people want to know what is really going on with you. And I think it's not, you're not a burden. It's actually a gift to be able to like have your friends, you know, be honest and true to themselves about you. Like that's actually, I love to hear that. Like it actually lightens my day. Whether it's a sad thing, it's like, oh no, he really cares about me because he's coming to me as one of the last, you know, kind of resort. So I would just say, you're leaning into however you're feeling, but please just call your friends. Like, you're never alone. I'm grateful that I've never been that situation, but if I ever was, I know I could call any of my boys up and they'll get me through it.

If you lose a race, lose competition, I'm going to call you, like, bro, that's how I feel. And then you feel better. Just know that this emotion is not forever, and it's actually beautiful to talk to your friends about it because it actually makes me feel good knowing that you're coming to me. So it's almost like it's stare.

for the both of us. Absolutely. Well said. Yeah. Just talk. And being lonely, like, it's, I want anyone to feel lonely. If I see a little kid at the club or a competition, I'll just go up to them. Hey man, how are you?

You're right? It takes two seconds. And that might be like, oh, he said hi to me. That might change everything. Also, I think, knowing your purpose and your celebrity in our minds of the fencing world, those moments change lives and I think seeing that is really, really cool.

You know, I'll be driving sometimes, I'll just scream, I love you. Why not? You know, those small little gestures are just nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think, you know, I'm just generally a happy person, but if I can,

actually really, really, I'll leave you with this is, Spins message to me and it was a quote was like, I make people feel better when they've left me, and it was the best thing I could, you know, I could ever, and he sent it to me. That is the best thing. That feels, you know,

favorite type of person. You know? Like, that feels so nice. I feel good now. Yeah. So if I can, if I can be that, please. So Miles, walk us through the gear because this is going to bring back some memories for me, of course. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I got you. So this is, these are my babies here. So we have two mosques. What's the difference in the masks? Just like. Just the swag. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can see through these. Yeah, perfectly. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's actually a gift from you. Gift to you. Oh, no way. I'm assigned to you, yeah. No, no way.

Yeah, yeah, it's the ones I use. No. Yeah. Dude, that's very kind. I'm going to put that up in the studio. That's sick. It's literally one I use. You've got to sign this for me.

Yeah, I use four and I, and so that's one and ones. Dude, that means a lot, man. Thank you so much. That's amazing. What an honor. That's so cool. This is sick. So this is a foil that I use.

And all of them are like customly made for your hands, right? So this is molded specifically for my hand. And this is one that I train with. And then this is the tip now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We used to have the rubber thing on the tip. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's like what you would train with them,

but this is like what I practice with like competition-wise. Legit. Can I hold it? Yeah, of course. This is like, so this has been made specifically for your hand. Yeah, so you're going to put your thumb towards the end of it. Here?

So right at right towards the guard. Like this. Yep, underneath it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's the grip strength. That's crazy too. And that's why our forearm has this massive muscle here because it's like all grip strength.

Wow. Yeah. And I have like, you know, a bunch of them. Is there a difference in any of them or no, you just have multiple for... I'll like name them. Yeah. I'm like, this is my baby number one, whatever.

But they're all the same way. Yeah, all the way same way and try me the same balance if you can. Like, you can, you know, but the balance. What does the balance tell you? So, like, if it's more here, then it means it's more tip-heavy. And then if it goes back more, then it's more guard-heavy. So this is guard-heavy. Yeah, exactly.

Because it just keeps tipping that way. Yeah. So, because my... And what difference does that make when you're fighting? For me, it doesn't really matter. But, like, sometimes if, if, if, you're... If you want to attack them more, then it's easier if it's more tip-heavy. Got it.

Yeah, yeah, I got it. But for the most part, you can kind of just... Yeah. It's kind of crazy. This is my job. Yeah, I know, I know. This one is one that I... I forget which we'll cut with, but this is one that you're going to have as well.

Oh, what? No, what? Dude, you can't just keep giving me gifts. Those two, I want to give you something that I've used. But those two are legitimate gifts for you. Dude, you're kidding. You don't have to do that. That's too generous.

I won it, and then the tip broke off on someone. Oh, wow. There's a story behind it when you went. So you left a mark on them as well. Yeah. So you can literally say like, yeah, I almost, if it was in older days, it might have went through them. But those. That's crazy.

That's so kind, man. I want to give you. Oh, that's very kind. This is going to go up in the studio. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is such a cool game. Because I've brought like three or four with me and then I was like, I'm going to give Jay a gift. Oh, thank you, man.

I haven't touched. I'm really touched. That's really humbly. It's honestly a pleasure. Thank you, man. And now I'm competing. Oh, look. You have to sign this for me there.

Yeah, you've got to sign this for sure. 100%. Amazing. But yeah, this is, this is. Yeah, yeah, it's so cool. This is my world. Was it hard to decide whether you fought for America or England? Yeah, I mean, Lewis just tells me every other day.

But if you can get me united, bro, we'll see. Oh, yeah. But I did it. Yeah, yeah, well, I didn't realize I was going to be a professional fence. I did it because we needed, instead of an O2 visa, we needed to just stay in the country. And then my little sister was born in New York. And that's how we got our citizenship. And then I was like, oh, wow.

And then it was too late. Did they try to have me do media training? I was like to switch my accent. Yeah. You know, because I'm from London. And then I was like, I'm not going to change it. Yeah, of course. But, you know, obviously, you know, America's done amazing things for me.

So I'm grateful for this country. But obviously, I was born in, you know, St. Murray's Hospital. Yeah, yeah. I love that. But yeah, yeah, yeah. So cool, man. Thank you for these gifts. My pleasure, mate.

It's amazing. I always like to come someone and give someone something. No, that's very, very thoughtful. That's very thoughtful. Yeah, yeah. I love you. Miles, this has been amazing. Honestly, I feel like I've got to know you on such a deep level. This is the good thing about a podcast, too. Even when you think you know someone, you sit down and talk to them for like an hour and a half and you're like, oh, wait a minute, I didn't realize. We end every episode of On Purpose with a final five. These questions have to be answered in one. Miles, Chamley-Watson, these are your final five. Question number one, what is the best advice you've ever heard or received? It's never lost. It's always a lesson. Good advice. Question number two, what's the worst advice?

you've ever heard or received. That you should never show emotion. Oh, that's a great answer. I don't think we've ever had that on the show. I like that. Question number three, what makes a good friend? Someone who you can call no matter what, who's always there for you,

and who calls you not wanting anything. That's the best phone call when neither of you need nothing, yeah. Two hours of talking about nothing. Yeah, I talked to my best man, who's my best man at my wedding, my best friend for the last 20 years. I talked to him three times a week on the phone. because we never catching up.

I already know what's going on in his life. There's not, yeah, and we're never asking each other for a thing. It's amazing. Question number four, what's something that you used to value, that you don't value anymore? Something that I used to value is other people's attention. Something that I value now is people's time. You know, one thing I could think of is, obviously,

that my league debut is, and obviously having someone come there to support me, knowing how busy they are, showing up for me, knowing how important your time is, means so much to me because I know that that time was occupied. So knowing that your time is so important and you chose to spend it with me is bigger than doing anything for me. Fifth and final question, we ask this to every guest who's ever been on the show. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

No matter the color of the person's skin, you give them a hug. It's a good one. I like it. A hug can cure everything. Can I ask you a question? Yeah, go on. What's the most thing that you're proud of? I'd say two things. One is when I get messages that say, you know, your work stop me from committing suicide or

help me through my divorce or made me chase my dream or quit my job or whatever it was and getting to message that person back and say, I didn't do it, you did. Like, I love that because I like reminding people that I don't have the answers. They already know what they want to do. I'm just glad that someone I interviewed, someone I sat down with had that impact on them. And the second thing I'd say is that I feel like I'm really grateful that I get to be the postman for this 5,000-year-old tradition. So just as you're the face of fencing, for me, I got to study this Eastern tradition of the Gita, the Bagwood Gita, which is a book, which is 5,000 years old. And I'm just today's messenger of it.

and I'll be forgotten and that's all good but the message continues on and I feel so grateful that I get to be the messenger for an empire that is much bigger than I am and much longer lasting than I am and how lucky I am that I get to be that person so yeah those would be my two

don't flip any more questions Mars no no that was an amazing answer my mom sends me a bunch of clips and the half of them are from you it's amazing but keep doing what you're doing man and grateful to call your friend but what you do is is remarkable Appreciate you, Miles. Everyone who's been listening and watching, make sure you clip this up, share it on social media,

let me know what resonated. Miles dropped so many gems. I feel like there were so many nuggets of wisdom. He's been dropping more quotes than I did today. So make sure you clip them up. I want to see what resonated with you, what connected with you. And of course, if you're an aspiring fencer, aspiring athlete, aspiring anything, I think there's so many great mindset pieces in this episode that will help you get to where you want to be.

A big thank you to Miles again for coming through. Pleasure. excited, keep supporting you, keep building our friendship, and let this be the first of many. Thank you, man. It's an honor. I'll see you soon. Thank you. Absolutely, man.

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