On Purpose with Jay Shetty - The 3 Attachment Styles & How Your Attachment Style is Affecting Your Relationship

Episode Date: August 14, 2020

Relationships take time and effort. In today’s episode of On Purpose, Jay Shetty explains how healthy attachment plays a vital role in maintaining thriving relationships. Knowing your attachment sty...le is the first step in the process. Curious about your attachment style and how that knowledge can improve your relationships? Listen in deeply to learn Jay’s insight, then watch your relationships transform!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:04:51 And on that note, we start today's episode talking about the three attachment styles and how your attachment style is affecting your relationship. Does your partner often feel distance and you struggle to connect? Do you feel like your partner nags you or is too demanding and you wish you had more space? Or, if you're single, does it often seem like when you're getting close to someone, they become distant or even ghost you maybe? Or do you frequently feel that people want too much from you? Do you experience problems in your current relationship, or on your past relationships, that seem to follow similar patterns?
Starting point is 00:05:30 Here's the interesting part. ABC News recently reported that a surge in divorce rates is as expected as a result of COVID-19 confinement. As I've said before, this pandemic in many ways is a great amplifier. For many of us, it's underscoring long-term challenges, but family law attorney Robert Siegel says it's not just that people are fed up with one another. It's that they're also generally less flexible and willing to compromise in their relationships.
Starting point is 00:06:00 And that mirrors a trend we're seeing in many places around the world, more polarization and less willingness to communicate on challenging issues. While data from multiple sources reports that divorce rates for the first time marriages have actually been trending down since 2008, hovering around 40 to 42%, but that trend could be starting to reverse, unfortunately. Now how do you resolve problematic patterns in your relationships? Or what can you do to give your next relationship a better chance of succeeding? I'm sure you want to know. Relationship challenges and unhealthy patterns happen
Starting point is 00:06:36 for a variety of reasons. But today we're going to talk about one that doesn't seem to get a lot of mainstream press, but could really be at the core of some of your recurring relationship issues. That reason is your attachment style. In the 1930s, psychologist John Bolby was working with children who had severe emotional challenges. His interactions with them led him to look at the roots of these issues and he traced some of them back to the children's relationships with their closest childhood caregiver, which for most at the time was their mother.
Starting point is 00:07:13 He learned that children's connections with their primary caregiver and whether children's needs were met consistently impacted their social, emotional, and cognitive development, working with psychologists, Mary Ainsworth, the pair developed attachment theory. Attachment is essentially how we bond with other people and connect in relationships. Attachment theory states that it's early attachment experiences with our caregivers and obviously our parents and families,
Starting point is 00:07:44 and whether and how they met our needs That shapes how we attach to others in our lives. We develop an attachment style This impact is made mostly in the first one to three years of life and creates patterns that for most of us continues for the rest of our lives So now you're probably thinking I wonder what my attachment style is creates patterns that for most of us continues for the rest of our lives. So now you're probably thinking, I wonder what my attachment style is. Well, that's what we're gonna find out.
Starting point is 00:08:10 I've created a little quiz to indicate your attachment style. Now, let me emphasize that this is not a diagnostic tool. This is simply an informal quiz, okay? Just making sure. So please don't get too attached to the results. Okay, that was bad, that was really bad. But, but really, this quiz is just designed to give you an indication of your attachment style. It's not definitive. According to Balbee and Ainsworth, there are four attachment styles. And we're going to focus on three of them today. They are the three
Starting point is 00:08:40 that are most common. And I'll describe them in a minute. But first here's the quiz. And if you can't take the quiz now, screenshot this part of the podcast so you can come back to this moment. Take a screenshot, the minutes and seconds were in so that you can come back at any time. And here we go. If you can get out of pen and paper or open your notes function on your phone and create three columns, let it A, B and C. Now I'm going to ask you six questions and for each question there will be three options to choose from. Pick the option that most resonates with you and put a tick to the corresponding column on your paper. Ready? Here we go. Question number one, you're at a party or other social function and you see your partner interacting
Starting point is 00:09:32 with someone in a way that seems flestacious. Option one, you take it in stride because you trust your partner. Option two, you become jealous and ask your partner to justify themselves. Option 3, you don't say anything about it, but withdraw from your partner, maybe your cold or distant for the rest of the night. So if you chose option 1, take it in stride, give yourself a tick in the column C. If you chose option two, become jealous, put a tick in column A. And if you choose option three, distance yourself from your partner,
Starting point is 00:10:14 put a tick in the B column, right? So you understand how it works. I'm gonna tell you every time. So for example, the question again, you're at a party or a social function, and you see your partner interacting with someone in a way that seems flirty. Option one, you take it in stride because you trust your partner. Option two, you become jealous and ask your partner to justify themselves. Option three, you don't say anything about it, but withdraw from your partner,
Starting point is 00:10:42 maybe a cold or distant for the rest of the night. So I want you to put a tick in column C if you show us option one, if you show us option two, becoming jealous, put a tick in column A, and if you choose option three, distance yourself from your partner, put a tick in column B. Okay, great. Let's go to question number two. Now you get it. When you start to feel close to someone, you do what?
Starting point is 00:11:04 Option one, you enjoy the feeling and look forward to seeing where the relationship goes. Option two, you start day dreaming about where and when your wedding will take place. Option three, you put on the brakes to ensure things are not moving too fast. So if you choose option one, you enjoy the feeling, put a tick in column C.
Starting point is 00:11:23 If you choose option two, you start planning your wedding, put a tick in the column A. And if you chose 3, put on the brakes, put a tick in column B. Alright, I'm doing this at the same time by the way, so I've got my pen and paper out too. Okay, so next question, number 3, when it comes to the relationships in your life, option one, you look to others to provide you with a sense of security. Option two, you have more acquaintances than friends or a romantic partner, but that's fine because you can take care of yourself. Option three, you have a variety of relationships in your life and you enjoy being able to rely
Starting point is 00:12:00 on others for support as well as having others rely on you. If you chose option one, others help you feel secure, put a tick in column A. If you choose option two, you can take care of yourself, put a tick in column B. And if you chose option three, you have a variety of relationships, put a tick in column C.
Starting point is 00:12:21 When you're doing this exercise, you've got to remember this. Like, you've got to do a self-assessment. You've got to be really honest with yourself. You've got to be open to how you feel about it. You don't need to, you know, make it complicated for yourself or make it difficult for yourself. Just be honest with the answer that seems to make the most sense to you. Okay, question number four, the best relationships. Option one, feel uncomplicated. Option two, feel like a team. Option three feels safe. Now, I know this is a harder one to choose for many of you, but again, pick your strongest response. Like if you were to rate these, choose
Starting point is 00:12:59 whatever is at the top of your list. So for option one, you feel that the best relationships are uncomplicated, give yourself a tick in column B. For option two, you feel like the best relationships are a team, give yourself a tick in column C. And for option three, you feel safe, give yourself a tick in column A. Question number five, I sometimes worry that option one, my partner will leave me. Option two, my partner wants too much from me. Option three, I sometimes worry about issues with my partner, but generally I don't have big overall worries or anxieties about the relationship.
Starting point is 00:13:38 If you went with option one, you worry your partner will leave you. Give yourself a tick in column A. If you went with option two, you worry your partner wants too much. give yourself a tick in column A. If you end with option two, you worry your partner wants too much, give yourself a tick in column B. And if you end with option three, no overall worries about the relationship, give yourself a tick in column C.
Starting point is 00:13:56 Okay, last question. When my partner and I disagree, listen carefully, when my partner and I disagree, option one, I generally feel comfortable expressing my thoughts and opinions. Option two, I feel nervous to say how I feel. Option three, I try to say as little as possible when me and my partner and I disagree. If you choose option one, you feel comfortable expressing yourself, give yourself a tick in column C. If you chose option two, you feel nervous to say how you feel, give yourself a tick in column C. If you chose option two, you feel nervous
Starting point is 00:14:26 to say how you feel, give yourself a tick in column A. And if you chose option three, you try to say as little as possible, give yourself a tick in column B. Now go ahead and hit pause if you need to and tell you your scores. How many ticks do you have in each column? How many ticks do you have in each column? So one for column A, what's your number? For column B, what's your number? And column C, what's your number? I'm Danny Shapiro, host of Family Secrets. It's hard to believe we're entering our eighth season.
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Starting point is 00:18:25 needs or identify our emotions. Our needs for comfort, when we're upset, we rely on those closest to us. Our primary care givers to help us regulate our feelings and our nervous system and to help teach how to identify and deal effectively with what we're feeling. The vagus nerve is a large nerve that originates in your brain and runs all the way to your large intestine. It is the main nerve in your parasympathetic nervous system. Scientists have discovered that when we stimulate the vagus nerve, it causes us to relax. Now, when we're adults, we can stimulate the vagus nerve manually, such as through several minutes of deep breathing. When we're very young children though, we lack the ability to regulate our own nervous system.
Starting point is 00:19:10 That's why it's so hard to ignore a baby's crying. Not only is it loud, but we're actually biologically wired, especially mothers, to attune to that sound. I remember one time as out with a friend who has a baby. We were sitting at an outdoor cafe, and even though her baby wasn't with us, the baby was with her father. Every time a baby cried anywhere, my friend would stop and look around like a reflex. Now this is where it gets super cool. Part of the vagus nerve is attuned to other people's facial expressions and the sound of their voices. As babies, if we're upset, we see that calm, kind face and hear that soothing voice from a caregiver. Maybe get a hug,
Starting point is 00:19:53 and we calm down. In fact, research indicates that's why so many mothers instinctively sing to their babies to calm them. The specific tones of a mother's voice, especially though it's not entirely a caregiver or gender specific, send a message to the child's body that everything's okay and they relax. Now, whether or not we are sued by our primary caregiver and whether that suiting was consistent or not, is the driving force behind our adult attachment style. So here are the four attachment styles of the four styles. One is secure and the other three are considered types of insecure attachment. Those are anxious attachment, avoidant attachment and disorganized attachment. Now for the quiz, I included the three most common styles,
Starting point is 00:20:45 guess them, secure, anxious, and avoidant. Those are the three most common styles. Before we get into the details, I want to note that none of this is about blame or criticism of you or your caregivers. It's about gathering information so we can be more thoughtful and aware in our relationships moving forward.
Starting point is 00:21:06 That said, some things might come up for you in uncovering your attachment style that will be helpful to have some professional help to process. So if you find that's the case, please do reach out to skilled therapist or counsellor or other trained professional for support. Now, if you've tallied up your scores, you'll probably see that you've got ticks in more than one column. That's because most of us are not all one attachment style. While we usually have one that's dominant, we can show characteristics of other styles.
Starting point is 00:21:36 So if you have most of your ticks under letter A, it is likely you have more of an anxious attachment style. If you have more of your ticks under letter B, it's likely you have more of an avoidant attachment style. If you have more of your tics under let it be, it's likely you have more of an avoidant attachment style. And if you have most of your tics under column C, you most likely have a secure attachment style. Now, I did this exercise before I've ever done this before as well and I found myself to be in column C. And I have maybe one or two in column B. So there's a part of me that has that too. So if you have the anxious attachment style, this is for you, right? Colomé. And I want to give a shout out. Some of the following information on
Starting point is 00:22:14 attachment styles is from Councillor Adam Young, who is a licensed clinical social worker. According to estimates, which vary a bit, roughly 20% of people have the anxious attachment style. Typically, people with an anxious attachment style can appear overly emotional. Anxious attachment types often want their partner or friends to prove their love and commitment. They're that person who wants to be your best friend or your boyfriend or girlfriend immediately or at least very quickly.
Starting point is 00:22:43 Anxious types also often struggle with self-criticism and insecurity. They tend to anticipate that their relationships will fail and so may often be jealous and need a lot of reassurance. Now, how this anxious attachment style developed in early childhood is because their primary care gives attention and care was inconsistent. Sometimes they got it and sometimes they didn't. Sometimes when they were crying or otherwise needed to be supported and consoled,
Starting point is 00:23:09 their care giver met their needs. But maybe at other times, they were too busy or concerned with their own needs. Because of this, those of you with an anxious attachment style as a child didn't know what to expect. Discreated of feeling of anxiety and uncertainty around getting your needs met. So if that describes you, again,
Starting point is 00:23:28 nothing to feel bad about here. This is just information that you can use in a helpful way. Now, if you scored mostly, let it be in the quiz, you likely have an avoidant attachment style. According to estimates, which again, vary a little bit, about 20% of people have this style. People with a voidant style instead of seeking support from others rely exclusively or almost exclusively on themselves to meet their own needs. Now to some of you that might sound like a good thing
Starting point is 00:23:58 and it's not bad but keep in mind that we're wired to connect with another. Our brains are wired in such a way that we seek connection and to meet our needs in part on our own and in part in relationship with others. People with a voidant attachment try to be completely independent. They believe no one can understand or meet their needs as well as they can. Or in more extreme cases, they may be convinced that they don't have needs and they may have difficulty identifying and describing their feelings. People with this style will often avoid emotional interactions by making a joke to diffuse the situation or change the topic or they may bury themselves in a
Starting point is 00:24:37 book or their phone to avoid emotional conversations. People with this attachment style often feel anxious or trapped when a partner or friend expresses needs Especially emotional needs if the relationship feels like it's becoming too close. They may break it off entirely In early life people with a voidant attachment didn't feel like their needs and ones mattered to their primary caregiver Who usually wasn't available to them? once matted to their primary care giver, who usually wasn't available to them. That's extremely painful for a kid, and so to mute that pain, they began to convince themselves that they didn't really have needs, and that created a disconnect with their feelings. If you mostly answered letter C, you have a primary secure attachment star.
Starting point is 00:25:20 This is the most common attachment star with estimates that around 50-55% of us have secure attachment. Your primary caregiver or caregivers acknowledge the met your needs consistently. As a result, you tend to feel secure in relationships and you both offer an ask for help and support willingly. The fourth attachment style, which I didn't cover in the quiz because it's less common with only about 4-5% of us us having it is disorganized attachment. In this case, which usually involves childhood trauma, the primary caregiver, who the child relied on to meet their needs, was also a source of fear. Perhaps
Starting point is 00:25:56 they were verbally or physically abusive. People with this style often feel real trouble, connecting relationships, and can display a variety of behaviors from both the avoidant and anxious attachment stars along with others. So those are the attachment stars. Now incidentally you won't see many secure types portrayed in popular programming because they make for the least drama. Remember Chandler from friends, his high anxiety and fear of a of losing Monica and his jealousy and reluctance to believe she truly loved him revealed his anxious attachment style. You can also think of Tony Stark, aka Iron Man, as a classic avoidant type.
Starting point is 00:26:37 Remember how he would use his sarcasm and obsession with technology to try and keep people from getting close to him and avoid emotional interactions. Now that you know the attachment styles, you can even play a game with your partner or friends watching shows and identifying the different characters' styles. That could be fun and a great way to see this in practice. So, how do you take this information we learned from the test about your own attachment style and use it in a positive way in your current or future relationships. Here are three steps to doing that.
Starting point is 00:27:10 Step one is to give yourself a chance to digest and process what you just learned. There's a lot there. Now some of you will want to do that by yourself. Others process things by talking them out. I'll advise you that if your partner wants to process by themselves and you want to talk it out, maybe connect with a friend or other loved one you can talk to so you can give your partner a bit of space to process what they're going through. Even take some time to make some good notes. You'll probably be recalling incidents from
Starting point is 00:27:40 past relationships or your childhood and go ahead and write those down. Step 2 is for you and your partner to share what you've learned about yourselves with the other person. You're not going to focus on the relationship at this point. You're going to take turns sharing what you've learned while the other partner just listens. Now, if you're the listener, I want you to resist the temptation to comment on what the other person is sharing. Your role at this point is only to listen. If you need to say something, you can acknowledge, I hear you, or yes,
Starting point is 00:28:09 I'm listening, or what I'm hearing you say is and making sure that you're on the right path. And remember that vagus nerve research. Are your facial expressions and tone of voice communicating to your partner that it's safe to connect. If not, they might not feel they can be open and honest with you. Step three is going to be having that conversation where you discuss what you've learned about your attachment style and your partner's impact, your understanding of the dynamics of your relationship. I think this is an opportunity to exercise compassion. Hopefully now you have a greater understanding of what's behind a repeat pattern or a problem. Now this conversation can be a follow on the conversation in step two,
Starting point is 00:28:51 where you're just listening, but you might need a little time to digest and process what you've learned about each other. So you can make these separate conversations. Just slow the whole process down. It's not a race. The good news is that when we make an effort to connect with one another in this way, over time, we can actually shift our attachment styles. Psychologists, Jeffrey Simpson and Stephen Rolce that our attachment styles can change when we have new healthy relationship experiences.
Starting point is 00:29:19 They call this phenomenon partner buffering. Essentially, that partner is helping you reprogram your attachment style. Again, remember partner is helping you reprogram your attachment style. Again, remember, this isn't an overnight change. It takes time. But for example, someone who has an anxious or avoidance style who has a spouse with a secure attachment can gradually learn to become less insecure or feel safer, identifying or expressing their feelings. Maybe you've had that experience, right? It might not even have been the person you're with now, or you may be single, but still have had that person in the past who
Starting point is 00:29:50 accepted you for you, and there was a shift. You started to become more willing to be open and vulnerable, and you learn to trust them. Or maybe that does describe the person you're with now. But for you, who are secure attachment types, and who are with anxious or avoidant types, know that it takes some patience and consistency on your part, providing reassurance to an anxious attached partner by texting when your meeting is running late or your stuck in traffic or allowing an avoidant partner to take their alone time when they need it, letting them go off to read or play a video game if they feel overwhelmed, over time this encourages trust and safety in a relationship. So, those are the three steps you can take to use this attachment style information to
Starting point is 00:30:33 shift the dynamics in your relationship. And if you're single, you can use the information to reflect on your prior relationships and to see the patterns and behaviors that might not have been serving you well. Maybe you've had a tendency to want to move things along quickly and you feel that scared of potential partners. Or when you started to get close to someone, you felt anxious or trapped and broke things off. Remember, you want to be loving and accepting and understanding and compassionate towards
Starting point is 00:30:59 yourself. And over time, as you work with this knowledge and work with your partner or a future partner, it's likely that if you haven't avoid an anxious attachment style, your attachment style will change to become secure. It might not change completely, but you will at least be more aware of your tendencies and where they come from, which will enable you to make more empowering choices. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of On Purpose. Make sure you share what you learn from this in your Instagram feed and Twitter and Facebook.
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