On Purpose with Jay Shetty - Tony Robbins ON: Breaking Negative Thinking & Unlock the Unlimited Potential of Your Mind

Episode Date: April 18, 2022

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Hey everyone, welcome back to on purpose. The number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every single one of you that come back every week to listen, learn and grow. And I am so excited to be talking to you today. I can't believe it. My new book, Eight Rules of Love is out and I cannot wait to share with you. I am so, so excited for you to read this book. For you to listen to this book, I read the audiobook. If you haven't got it already, make sure you go to 8rulesoflove.com. It's dedicated to anyone who's trying to find, keep, or let go of love. So if you've got friends that

are dating, broken up, or struggling with love, make sure you grab this book. And I'd love to invite you to come and see me for my global tour. Love rules. Go to jsheddytour.com to learn more information about tickets, VIP experiences and more. I can't wait to see you this year. Now today's guest is someone that I wanted to sit down with ever since I was a very young boy and it's extremely special to me to have this opportunity. I grew up in a home where I was surrounded by his books, his cassettes, his CDs,

my father would be diving into them, playing them in the car, wherever he possibly could, and I was surrounded by this man's wisdom. And it had an impact on me, both internally, externally, and in so many ways. And today I've had the great fortune of sitting with him for this podcast and this interview. I'm speaking about a man who needs no introduction

that is recently the number one New York Times bestselling author of this book, Life Force, the one and only Tony Robbins. Tony, I am so honored, humbled, and grateful to be in your presence. Thank you, brothers. So come and visit. To be in your home, you've opened up your home today.

This is the first time we brought on purpose out into the wild. Oh, I'm honored. We're a guest to be with you, but we're in your beautiful home that you've graciously and sage was just an amazing host and welcomed me so beautifully. And I want everyone to know also about,

I came here expecting that we were gonna do a podcast. Tony, of course, is one of the busiest humans on the planet. We just sat down and we spent nearly an hour together just connecting and talking because of his kindness and generosity. And I want people to know that. I didn't know the work I was doing, I wanted to hear more about it. So it's gorgeous what you're doing.

So thanks, have me on. Well, thank you. Thank you so much. So this conversation is a long time coming from the work that you've been doing. The journey of this book doesn't start when you started writing this book. The journey of this book for you start when you started writing this book.

The journey of this book for you became something that you got focused on a long, long time ago. Yeah, true. And I wanted to focus it on one point to give people this context. You know, you're seen as someone who's super human. You're able to do incredible things on a stage, off stage. You have a phenomenal physical, mental,

psychological presence, have a beautiful spiritual presence. But at the same time, you talk about in this book being 31 years old and finding out about this brain tumor. I want to hear about what that feels like when you think you're doing everything right for your health. And it hasn't been a point of concern. And all of a sudden, you get this news. How does that feel? Well, it was scary, obviously. I actually started a little sooner than that. When I was really young, I grew up really rapidly.

I've worked 20-hour days, and I was also blessed. And I got to work with some very important people. And I got great results. And they told other people. So, by the time I was 19, just almost 20, I had become quite successful in external terms, at least, in the world. And some part of me was, you know,

the mechanism in the back of our head, that two million year old brain, right? The fight or flight mechanism. I did not imagine that so well. And part of my brain was like, well, maybe you have all this happening so quick because you're gonna die young. And I literally became obsessed with not just getting hit

by a truck or something, it was cancer. I was gonna wilt away. And I don't know where it came from and I knew better intellectually, but it was there. And then the first time I entered my life was before 31, I entered my life through someone else, my girlfriend. And she came home crying uncontrollably.

And Jay, I mean, she was like, what is it? What is it? My mom, my mom, and my mom has cancer. And then even worse, they gave her nine weeks to live. They just sent her home. And I think it would have been me. I think my fear would have overcome me. But you know, most people will do more for people they love

whether they're kids or they're friendly or someone else than they'll ever do for themselves. And so it's like, I kicked into gear. That's what I do. It's like, okay, if there's a problem, there's a solution. I said, look, there's thousands of people that had stage four cancer in their life today. We're gonna find out what they do. We's like, okay, if there's a problem, there's a solution. I said, look, there's thousands of people that had stage 4 cancer in their life today. We're going to find out what they do. We're going to do the same thing. She's not going to die. And then I just read every book I could on cancer.

And I came across this one book called One Answer to Cancer. It's not the book I recommend today because there's so many better ones today, but it was written by this dentist who had pancreatic cancer, which is the most vicious cancer of all. He was given six weeks of the live, and this is 12 years later, and he's alive, and so he laid out what he did to cleanse his body, and it sounded radical in those days, pancreatic enzymes. So I went to this woman named Ms. Jenny, she was in her 40s.

And I said, Jenny, you know, I know you don't wanna die. I said, but just go and home and do nothing. Why don't you read this book? This guy was in worship and you, and see if you wanted to apply this. And she read it and she got inspired. And I gave her as a man think of the kind of work on her head a little bit. Anyway, long story short, within about three weeks, she had a tumor that was protruding

in her shoulder and the one in her feminine organs. And you couldn't see anything three weeks later in her shoulder. And at the period of I think about nine weeks when she's supposed to die and she looked good, she had great energy and literally looked transform. The doctor finally said, this is crazy. Let's do exploratory surgery. So they went in, in her body, all they could find left of the cancer was something of size that might pinky stinger now. And so the doctor said, this is a miracle. She said, is a miracle, but let me tell you what I did. He was like, no, no, no, this is spontaneous remission. I don't want to hear what you did.

What you did doesn't matter. But she's in her mid 80s today, she's still alive. And that shifted me from victimhood, like, oh my God, cancer could strike me down to believe me, I'll be great. So all the more shocking, now I'm a total biohacker. I'm a health nut. I've got to get on stage and do 12, 13 hours

with 20,000 people, and I got to do three or four days in a row, and I make these huge demands, but I also have this incredibly intense regimen of taking care of myself, and then I went, I'm a helicopter pilot. So I went to go get my license renewed, you have to do a physical, and I come back,

and I keep getting these messages from the doctor saying, my assistant saying, doctor says it's gonna talk to you. And I was like, I'm leaving for the South of France doing an event, tell them to just send the report. And I got home this one night and taped to my bat and my master bat from the bedroom door was a note for my assistant saying, you gotta call the doctor, he says it's an emergency.

So what do you do? What do you feel like? Well, all my old fears just started flashing back. It's like, oh my god, I mean, I treat my body so great. How could I have cancer? But I do fly all the time. That's radiation. You know, your head goes crazy.

At least mine did. Yeah. But- Self-dagnosis. But at that time, I had also found a center in my life. And so I found my center. It's like, okay, courageous person, you know, cowardice, a thousand deaths, courageous person.

Once, let me deal with it. If it needs to be dealt with in the morning. I woke up called on the doc says to me, you have a tumor. A tumor in your brain. I was like, what are you talking about? I came to you. I'm totally healthy.

I'm healthy as a horse. And he said, no, no, no, he said, you have an enormous amount of growth hormone. So I did some tests. I said, you know, how'd you notice the growth hormone? My hands are bigger than your head. I wear a CY16 shoe. I was 5'1, now I'm 6'7.

I grew 10 inches in a year. And he goes, no, don't be funny. He goes, you can need to hear me. This is serious. And he said, you really need to do this. And we'll do what? You got to come in for surgery. I was like, wait a second. I said, you're telling me, you're going to cut me open. I said, what's the prognosis? He said, well, obviously, you can die, really. You're only time to do surgery that's this complex. But he said, it's your pituitary gland. And he said, you're probably not going to have the same kind of energy anymore because it'll change your biochemistry. And I was like, well, I think it's a second opinion. Who would you recommend? And he did not have a good bedside manner. And I didn't have a good side bedside manner either. I was a young

punk kid. He's like, well, how do you tell me I'm gonna have to have surgery? So I kind of blew it off since he was such a jerk about it. I was like, I'll take care when I get home and I flew this out for France and I did this seminar, but then you know, the mind, you know, the mind starts going like, what if he's right? What if it's this? So I went and did the scan and I saw the look on the guy's face when I came out from the MRI and sure enough I had a tumor there. It was interesting, Mel, Jay, it was a big tumor. That's why I grew 10 inches in a year. But in Pharct, which means it swallowed a portion of itself up, but it's still there. And he said, we still need to do the surgery. So I went and did, I said, okay, he's a surgeon. Let

me go to somebody as more biochemically driven. So I went to this man in Boston and neurobiologist and he was really completely different. He was super warm and he said, look, he goes, I would never do the surgery. It's way too risky. There's a place in Switzerland you can go to and you can take an injection once every six months and you'll never have to worry about it

because what they worry about is I have giganticism. It's called, and make your arteries get really big and then you have a heart attack. I said, but Doc, you just said my arteries are perfect. And this happened 12 years ago, I said, why would I do anything? He goes, well, we just want to be certain. I said, well, what if, what if,

I'm not certain the drugs are not gonna have side effects, you know? He goes, well, it will really make you tired all the time. I was like tired all the time. That's the opposite of my whole life. I said, I'm not energies and the source and everything the end of the set of my whole life, I said, I'm not energies and the source, it's everything for me. And he's like, oh, you're afraid you're like Samson,

you're afraid you're gonna cut your hair. And I said, you're damn right, I am, you know? But he was so cool. And I said, but you know, the surgeon wants to cut me, goes, yeah, the baker wants the bake. You know, he's the butcher wants the butcher, the surgeon wants to cut. And I want to drug you.

He was really cool. And I said, what if I did nothing? He goes, but I measured it. Like, I'm not stupid. I go measure it once a year or something. He goes, well, you could do that. I think I did, Jay, because six months later, the FDA, I was having to go Switzerland because it wasn't available in the US and the FDA never allowed it in because they found it created cancer. So I missed the bullet. I went to five other docs, so six and seven and total. And the last doc told me what

I wanted to hear, which was Tony, you have a huge amount of growth for a moment, but he goes, you literally do, you know, I burn 11,300 calories in one day on stage, give you an idea, because it's gonna follow me for three years, the follow of one pick athletes and Tom Brady and people like that. And so they've measured everything in my body. And he goes, you're doing two and a half marathon

is basically in calorie burn in a day, and you're doing four days in a row like that. He goes, your ability to recover is insane. He's in two or three days, you recovered. He goes, that's coming from that growth hormone, I believe. And he said, so I know bodybuilders that are spent in 1200 bucks a month to have what you're getting for free.

So that wasn't as 31, I'm 62. I've never had a problem since I've measured it, but it really changed my outlook. And the first one made my outlook look like there is an answer, and the second one my outlook was, there's a price for certainty, and you got to be very careful what price you pay to be certain. You got to find that certainty within yourself, which I know is a lot of what you teach and I do as well, Jay. Yeah, thank you for walking us through that, and especially going back a bit further as well I think what I find fascinating about that turn in a lot of the work you do is Why does it why do we as humans often wait?

To see not even see pain you saw pain in someone else and you try to help solve it and that got you working Yeah, but why is it that we often wait to experience pain? Before we decide to change a part of our lives, make a different choice to create a shift? Why is it that we wait so often for stress and pressure? I have that question was burning in me because I was traveling around, had the privilege of this stage of life,

traveling around the earth, where people from every walk of life, 100 plus countries I've worked in. And I'd see the same problems, even though you mean different cultures. Like, you know, go to an Asian culture. It's not about the individual, it's about the group, right? But I'd still see the same problems.

And then I got obsessed with it like, okay, what's the common human experience? Because I'm seeing the same problems, even though it's a different culture, even those different beliefs, right? And I began to realize that there are certain human needs. And there were six that identified that I've used ever since, and it's helped me understand.

And so one of those needs is certainty. And it's the base human needs. There were six that identified that I've used ever since and it's helped me understand. And so one of those needs is certainty. And if the base human need, certainty that you can avoid pain and that you can be comfortable as the most basic need, it's a survival need. Because if you have continuous pain, that's continuous damage, continuous damage, equals death, right? But what happens for people is most people, that first basic need is where they live. They don't grow. Another need, the second need is uncertainty, because ironically, if you're certain all the time, you're bored out of your mind. If you're completely uncertain, you kind of freaked out.

And a balance is not in. It's the ability to use both, enter both worlds. And then there's the need for significance, which is a big part of our culture today, thanks to social media, that need to feel special, unique, important, right? It can be a very positive emotion or need. It can be very negative depending on how it's used, how it's directed.

And then there's the need for connection and love, which everybody has. And those four needs, everybody finds a way to meet. If you have to lie to yourself for 20 hard days, you're going to find certainly somehow. You're going to find why variety. You're going to find some form of significance. Some people do it by tearing other people down. Some people do it by working harder. It's different. You're going to find some level of significance, some people do it by tearing other people down, some people do it by working harder, you know, it's different.

You're going to find some level of at least connection, if not love. But the final two, what make people feel alive, which is growing, everything on the universe grows or dies, and contributing, everything in the universe contributes or it's eventually eliminated by evolution. So those are the spiritual needs, growth and contribution, where you get beyond yourself. And I think that the majority of us don't take moves because of fear and fear is just uncertainty. It's that base in need.

And when I go around and I describe this in more detail, and I work with a big audience, 15, 20,000 people, and I'll say, I'm just set of exercises and I'm figure out, where do they get, what triggers them to be certain or uncertain, what triggers them of a variety and so forth. So they understand that like everything I do is to meet these needs. But then I get them to say, what are your top two? Not what you think they should be, not what you want them to be. What are they? And 90% of the people in our culture are certainty and significance are significance and certainty, even though they really want love. So they have this route,

like if I can be successful enough, then I'll be worthy of it. Or if I can just control it enough and know it's not way, but you can't control love, right? And so most people are They're trying to meet their needs in a kind of a backwards way. And I think that that fear that uncertainty is what keeps most people from growing until they get enough pain And then that pushes them through a threshold where their needs aren't being met they got to change and unfortunately most people wait to They have enough pain. Now I that's not my preference they got a change. And unfortunately, most people wait to lay up enough pain. Now, that's not my preference.

Sure, it's not yours, but I'm sure you've had experiences as much as I've had where you did have to be pushed that far to get there, right? Yeah, by the way, I'm so glad I asked you that question. It's the best answer I've ever had. It's brilliant. It's simple, but it's profound as well because usually we would say, oh yeah, the reason why

we wait till we don't have to change is because we're comfortable and we're okay with it But really it's because you're saying these needs keep us trapped almost In fact, if you're if you're wanting to change but not changing It's because some of your needs are met by what you're doing and some of them aren't That's why you're in that push pull But you don't usually do enough until you're pushed over the edge like smoking a cigarette What does it give people? Comfort? Because you take a breath of cigarette, you take a nice, slow, deep breath in and take

it out, it calms the nervous system, right? It's something that they're comfortable with. It's a variety. If they're all stressed out and then they start to breathe differently, it's variety in the body. For some people they did originally for significance, I'm cool, I'm smoking. Right? Today, it's not really that cool in most people, but for some generations, some places it is.

Some people see it as a connection with themselves. But if all of a sudden you're now in a relationship with somebody who doesn't smoke, and you really love them and you want their total of an attention and they're completely disgusted by cigarettes, now my needs for love are really strong. And my need for this comfort is really strong and so you have this push pull.

And then some people make the shift, some people don't. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, what you said to me really rang a bell for me and we spoke a bit about it earlier. Like I came to a point in my life. There was one point earlier when I left the monastery, where I really struggled with my health,

which I've spoken about before. But even more recently, and it's interesting you at 31, I'm 34 now, and it was probably around a similar time, maybe around 30 years old, where I realized that I had two choices. I either had to slow down or add to up my focus on my health. That's why I'm so excited about this book for the world to read, because you're giving us opportunities and access to thought and ideas and practices and medicine that can help us up our game of our health.

Yeah, massively. Often what we do is we choose to slow down. We choose to just go, okay, well, I'm just gonna do less. And you and I, I think we both connect on the fact that actually giving and service and contribution and making impact at such big needs that I was just like, I don't wanna stop though. Like just as you said with the energy point,

I don't wanna not be able to do as much and give more. So how do I change my health? And that simple decision, it's what led me to be attracted to what you're doing in this book and the work in this area. Talk to us a bit about that energy piece. In the book you talk a lot about boosting your energy through natural Yes. And when I was reading about this, I was fascinated because we're not hearing about this everywhere. If somebody were to tell you five years ago that you could

reverse aging, that people would laugh at you, but today, there are billions and billions of dollars being spent by the richest people in the world, mostly in Silicon Valley, and some of the greatest scientists in the world have been breakthroughs in the last five years. That's amazing. So there's a man named Dr. Sinclair, David Sinclair from Harvard. He's probably the number one longevity expert in the world and I write about him in the book. And one thing he says, he's 53 chronologically,

but he's 33 biochemically. I've applied what he's taught me for six months now since I've been him seven months, maybe eight months now, and I'm 62, but I'm 51. My goals are get it down to 40 line to 42 if I possibly can't. But you call for how's that possible? Well, there are ways of reversing, everybody knows their bodies made of stem cells, I'm sure by now. And there's ways of reversing the process of a stem cell, literally from skin back to pluripolitan where it can become anything.

The man who did that was Dr. Yamannaka, one of the Nobel Prize for it. Davidson Claire took his work, applied it to reversing the aging and he started with mice and he took these mice that had glaucoma, so they burned out the nerves in the eyes and those don't regrow. And he's the first time he'll probably want a Nobel prize from this. He reversed the aging process and grew back their eyes, so they have sight again to give you an idea. They're using gene therapy. There's a young man that I interviewed in the book there who was on America's Got Talent who's blind who now can see by this gene therapy. These are types of things that just sound like magic.

The book is filled with things, right? It's interviewed 150 of the smartest scientists, Nobel laureates, regenerative doctors and scientists to show you what's happening right now that you might think what happened 20 or 30 years from now sounds like magic or within 36 months. That's what it's all really based on. But here's what I want your audience to understand about energy. So everybody's heard of the genome or their DNA, right? You can think of the genome as being like the piano keys, but the music is played by a player, which is the epigenum.

Epa means above. And the epigenum is affected by your diet, your exercise, how much exposure to radiation, et cetera. Well, most people have heard that. But the epigenome really is governed by seven master genes that are called sirtuans. Now, your audience has to have to remember all these names. But just stay with me.

Just think there's seven master genes that do three or four things that are critical. First, they convert. They turn on and off the different genes in your body. That's the epigeno. And if you turn on the wrong ones, you age too soon, or your energy drops. So when this is fully fueled, when those sirtoons are doing their job, everything happens in the right way. Second thing they do is they reduce your inflammation, which is the basis of most breakdown of the body. Third thing they do is just critical is they help your mitochondria, just the energy force inside every cell in your body, convert food into energy into ATP. Pretty important.

And then they have a separate task that is they clean up your DNA. So at 35 or 34, you have a certain amount of exposure, more than when you were 20. When you're 50, it'll be even higher, it's 60 even higher. Well, around 40, your stem cells drop off the cliff. Around 50, the fulule of the fulule of the fulule drops off the cliff. That's called NAD, which I'm sure some of your people have heard about you may have been spoken about. You can do NAD as an IV.

It doesn't absorb a lot, though. NAD Bill has a precursor called NMN, like never mother, never. I'm sure you've heard of it. I'm sorry I've known about that. But I didn't understand that if you don't have enough NADNNN then the body has to decide between, do I help the body turn on epigenome? Do I help reduce inflammation?

Because there's only so much. Do I really help with creating enough energy in the cell or do I clean up the DNA? Imagine you have a mansion and you have a young staff and your house looks perfect all the time. Because they're young and bright and they're on top of things. We down no one notices they clean it up. But as they get older and slower and then there's less resources,

NED, now the mansion starts to break down. That's aging. So what Dr. Sinclair did is figure out how to supplement that NMN and you can go buy NMN on, you know, you look on Amazon even and there's probably a list of it does and are so brands that do it. So we tested six of them just for price points

as a $39 a month, $129 a month. And there was no NMN in any of them. And I asked the lab guy, I said, are these people just thieves? He goes, well, most of it comes from China, so I can't say for sure. He said, but what I can tell you is, what's more likely is NMN breaks down

on less than 30 days. So by the time it comes from China, gets to your door, there's nothing in it. So they built a more stable NMN, which we have and use, but there's something coming on what your audience know about, little shut up. I've talked about so much. This is an amazing piece of work.

This is a company called Microbiotec and Eden Rockness merger of these two companies. They saw the power of NMN and they said, if you could find an MNN that was stable and was even more absorbable, it would transform people. So, for example, in a mouse, they give NMN to mice and they live 30% longer. So, not all mice studies transfer to humans. They take an old mouse, like a 70 year old person, be like a 20 month old mouse, okay? So, that's an old mouse.

And they put them on a treadmill, and the most they can run without collapsing is about a quarter of a kilometer. A young dynamic mouse, like a 21 year old, can run four times that, a full kilometer. Wow. Fourteen days on NMN and the old mouse, the 70 year old mouse, will run two to three kilometers, two hundred to three hundred percent more.

So again, I read about this as like, well, that really transferred to humans. So this has been the breakthrough. It only happened a few months ago, right before I published the book, the Special Forces in Boston for two years has been doing a private study that's been top secret about using this new form of NMM. It's called MIB626. And it'll be available in 18 to 24 months. But it got out because Commander, they just finished the two-year study. First year was safety, second year was efficacy.

And the commander was debriefing his team. It didn't realize there was a newspaper person in the room. So part of it got out and it was in the daily mail a couple weeks ago, also. And they only know a part of it. I can't tell you the things I'm an investor in a company. I can't tell you what's not public, but I'll tell you what's public. What the commander said was, here's what I can tell you, gentlemen, what happens with mice, happens with the most powerful men and women in the world. I mean, the most condition men in the world saw massive increases endurance, just from taking the seminin, massive increase in muscle

strength without any more stimulation and most importantly, increase cognitive ability, which when you're a soldier, what's going to get you to stay alive when you're exhausted or beat up or injured or complete the mission is going to be your brain. So they're now doing studies on COVID with it. They're doing studies with groups of

40 to 60 year olds that are just unconditioned and they're now doing studies on COVID with it. They're doing studies with groups of 40 to 60 year olds that are just in unconditioned and they're seeing the same result. So in 18 to 24 months, the FDA will have, this will not be a nutraceutical. This will be something go to your doctor and imagine you get something that is natural, but you put in your body and now all four of those things I told you about are going full-telt. Now you're turned on and off the right genes. Now inflammation's coming down and you've got more energy at a cellular level and your DNA's being cleaned up.

So that's less than two years away from us right now. That's incredible. So you first approached it through behavior change. Now you're changing the actual part of it. You do both. You do both. And that's amazing. And do you think though that, and putting together

both those approaches that you've invested in from a point of view of your whole career and what you're working on now, how much is that change of behavior still going to be required? Because my worry is, as you know, is people say, okay, I'm gonna take this pill and it's gonna drop my inflammation, but then I'm gonna eat things that create more inflammation. How does behavior change go hand in hand with that? I found that when people have more energy,

I don't know what your experience is, that their behaviors change. Yes. When you're low energy, kind of lethargic, even the way you think, I mean, look at what COVID's done, but you have people co-op stuff and not moving very much, right?

I've had a chance to use this product. There's products available right now if end of end of end of end of end using those, and they're very powerful, but this one is even more visceral. I mean, you feel like you're ready to buzz around. I can only. It blows my mind when it does, right?

So I think when people feel like that, my experience is they tend to develop different patterns. It's just like if you've ever gone on a cleanse, even for a short time, your palate changes. But all of a sudden, you don't like the things that you once liked. So my hope is for people there, but I don't just rely on that as you know,

because I teach people all the other ways to shift their life. But I think it's important to know that there are some tools available right now and some coming very quickly. That's a good one. They will radically change the value of your health and also regardless of your age, it's the whole idea is like to be able to take

as you get older to stay younger physiologically and psychologically and emotionally incredibly priceless. Yeah, that's fantastic though because that specific idea that once you've had the taste of what energy feels like, we all know that we make better decisions when we experience that. And so even if that can give people that shift, this is how you could feel, this is how you are feeling now, then we can make better choices moving forward. And most people also, if they're going to find out about it, they've been pursuing something anyway, right? and this is how you could feel, this is how you are feeling now. Yes. Then we can make better choices move forward. And most people also, if they're gonna find out about it,

they've been pursuing something anyway, right? Yes. So it's like someone's gonna pick up the book, the wife for us, they're looking for answers, they want more energy or more strength, they want to help somebody in their family, it's dealing with a real issue, and they want to know the best.

So it's like an encyclopedia. Yeah, it is, this is an encyclopedia. I was like, this is an encyclopedia. I was in an attorney, I was like, I was reading parts of each chapter, but this is is an encyclopedia. I was in a Tony. I was like, I was reading parts of each chapter, but this is truly an encyclopedia. By the way, the cartoons make it unencyclopedia, but these are brilliant.

They're hilarious. And they truly crack you up. So one of the things I wanted to dive into with Tony was that same thing that I experienced, and I want to hear it from your perspective. You've been biohacking for a long time. One of the few things that you've shifted in your behavior that have created more energy? That shifts, that actually helped you expand

your energy, right? Like you said, you're serving more people right now, but even when you are traveling, you're moving around the world, you're coaching sports teams, you're coaching individuals, you have groups. How have you been able to expand your energy year over year? What are some of the simple tweaks that people could do today while they wait for this amazing product? Well, there's products now, they only have them now. But for me, I was a vegan for about 10 years, and then I ate fish and salad basically for about 12 years.

So, dietarily, I've always tried to make sure that what I had was as clean as possible to start with. Then I train like a crazy person. I do oxygen restriction training type of things so that my capacity is strong, but I'm also trying to train so I can literally do two and a half merafons on a day and another day and another day and another day. For me, the most important thing I think has been for me is believe it or not has been a combination of hot and cold temperatures that I use.

I can start every single morning in the freezing water and I do it for two reasons. One is it moves every bit of blood in your body and all your lymph in your system, but also kind of train my brain to say, when I say go, we go. It's like, there's never a day I look forward to going in the water. I have 56 degree water here, but in my home in Sun Valley, I go literally through the snow and get in the river, which is like 39, 40 degrees in the wintertime. But you feel so incredible when you come out, but also it's just training your brain saying, I say, go, we go, it's not like, oh, I'm not ready yet, or let me wait five minutes. And that becomes a discipline in your mind for everything else in

your life, which is huge. And then believe it or not, Sanas, just in the last year, if you're starting to use the Sanas, they see a huge change, I've started using SONAS, they see the huge change. I've always known about SONAS, they use them every now and then. But there's so much research on it now and I have it in the book that will blow your mind. Like four days a week in SONAS for just 20 minutes at 160 degrees plus,

whether it's a laser type SONAS of red SONIC going in or a traditional one, will absolutely change your health or ways you can imagine. People that don't really work out, I can get them to do this now. And they just go sit in the sauna, but what happens is it reduces your chance of a heart attack by over 51%. I bet that yeah. Wow. It reduces your chance of a stroke by 62%. Your overall health has reduced. I mean, it, and then here's the thing, I noticed that happens that people I get doing this.

They wouldn't work out. Now they do the sauna and they put some music on and they put Movie in the background or something and the great thing is after doing it for about a month Sweating and everything else now they want to work out now. They want to do something else So I look for the things the quick little hacks that can make it happen in my life I also use cryotherapy and cryotherapy takes your body down to minus 250 You know fair night takes out like you know I used to ice myself because after an event, I've been, you know, running up and down to stadium walls and everything else, every ounce of me,

14 hours on stage, 12 hours on stage is gone. And I go, I go ice like I did in football, and you know, 20 minutes on, 20 minutes off, it's painful, but I had to do it. Now I go in for two and a half minutes in a cryotherapy unit, and there's no inflammation in my body. It's just mind-boggant.

For people who have osteoarthritis also, like my mother-in-law had such bad osteoarthritis, even medications weren't helping her and she was crying at night and I was like, I got to find an answer. That's how I found cryo. And I started reading about cryotherapy and started reading an athlete's doing it, but I started reading what it does for osteoarthritis. She has no pain now, right? So they're just tools and you don't have to own one of these things.

Yes, you don't have the opportunity to have one here, but you can go to local places all over the United States, all over the world now, where you can just go in five or ten minutes, and it's amazing. People just need to try it out. So there's lots of different tools. There's exercises you can do that I love, they're called osteostraw, invest in this company. It's a ten minute workout. Sounds like total BS.

This is the one that speeds up your metabolism. Yes, and while it also, it helps you build stronger bones, which most of you don't care about bones, women understand, you know, in their 50s, osteoporosis is really a huge thing. And most of the drugs will eventually fossilize the bones. This is the only thing that's been proven, increase bone density by about 14%.

But my athlete friends love it, I love it, because when your bones are stronger, your muscles are limited by your bone strength. Because otherwise your muscles will rip open the bone, right? So this is a 10-in-1 exercise. You do four different exercises and you go to a local place, you don't have to own the equipment. And literally you're done in that time.

And you see the transformation. First time I did this, I remember I worked this woman. She was about 63 years old, and I went to Gold's gym with her because he didn't have these machines then. There was a way of doing it with weights. It was a little bit spooky if you screwed up because the weight was so heavy. And there was a sky. I don't know, 25, 26 years old ponytail, sweating like crazy doing the leg press. And we had a camera crew there. And she says, sir, you took a break and he's sweating. She goes, sir, can I just get a quick sit in between you? And she's in normal clothes and she's like 62 years old,

65 years old, look like she was almost 70 and he thought he's being punked right? And she goes, could you put another hundred pounds on? Literally another hundred pounds on. And so there's a technique where you use an extreme amount of weight for a short period of time and it stimulates it because you don't get growth by working out, you get growth by rest, but you have to have a stimulus that's strong enough. And I started doing, you know, I'd bench press in those days like 240 pounds and then I'll send that bench press 525. I did 1600 pounds on the leg press and the guy from Gold's Gym came over and he's like, you're doing this with your mind. I was like, no, anybody can do this. But now they have these machines so you don't have to worry about the weight being too

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And then there's simple things I never did. I was working on the sleep chapter at 6.25 in the morning and I had to be up in two and a half hours. I was like, what's wrong with this picture? Because my whole thing was, oh, my wife loves the sleep. Eight hours, she's nine hours should be thrilled. My thing is I'll sleep when I die, right?

But then when I was doing the research for this book, I met this doctor who's a top neurobiologist over at New York, California. He works for Google and everybody else. He's considered the top sleep doctor in the world. And he says, Tony, I think I can convince you. And I said, good luck. Give me your best shot. And he said, well, I did a study, we got a study with 1.6 billion people on sleep. I go, you couldn't possibly coordinate it that. And he goes, I didn't have to. It's all the country, 70 couldn't have possibly coordinated that. And he goes, I didn't have to. It's all the country's 70 countries

that have daylight savings times. And he said, here's what you got in his name's Dr. Walker. He says, Tony, all you got to do is look at the real numbers. Let me show you the numbers. And he shows me that for three days after we spring forward, you lose one hour. And every country in the world on average, heart attacks increase 24%.

And when we fall back and you get one extra hour, all around the world in 70 countries, on average, 21% decrease in heart attacks. And then he does the same stats on accident, centiped anything else. And then he showed me stats that show, you know, a man that slept for and half five hours a night, like I was doing, usually I had testosterone levels by somebody's 10 years older than me where they got my attention. So it's a combination of sleep, it's a combination of the right diet, it's a combination of the right stimulus of exercise. It's really doing those fundamentals that make a difference for you. And then it's doing these cool things like stem cells that completely changed my life.

Yeah. What do you think, having said that, what do you think is the greatest human skill, not habit, but mindset and skill? That's a great question. I don't know if I got what the greater there's so many. It depends on what you want out of your life, right? But I think the ability to manage your own mind and emotions is probably one of the single most important. And maybe the second is the ability to influence others. That's what makes you a leader. And hopefully you're doing that for a higher good, because there are all kinds of leaders as you know. But I think I don't think most people are very good at emotional fitness.

Most people are just not as happy as they could be. And I did a one book money master the game. It's kind of like this. Yeah. Only what I did in that case is I interviewed, you know, 50 of the smartest financial people who were a value car like on Warren Buffett. And out of 50 of them, and again, it's my judgment I could be completely wrong and I've spent a lot of time with them Some of them become really good friends. There's probably four or five that are really happy people

You all the money makes people unhappy Yeah, no to do with money money makes you more of what you are Just magnifies if you're mean you have more to be mean with you're kind you have more to give you know But I think that most people are just they haven't learned to manage what's going inside. It doesn't matter how much abundance they have, they're still in happy. We've all seen people that great comedians that have killed themselves,

Anthony Bourdain, beautiful man, traveled the world, killed himself, you know? You know, fashion designers that have done it. We've all seen all these different people, Kate Spade. And it's like, what? They had everything except they didn't master what was going on here and here. And you know, this is why you lived your life the way you have us as well. So I think that skill set is the most important one.

That's why even in the book, my last two chapters are they get the most important because it's really about power of the mind. Because like everybody knows about placebo's, right? They're only discovered in World War II and it was discovered by accident. This doctor ran out of morphing, and he's treating these people that are badly injured. And you need the morphing not just so they're out of pain, but so they don't go into shock. And the actual person who discovered this, guess no credit was a nurse,

because the nurse had him a syringe and said, we've got some more morphing. So he believed it and he said, you'll be out of pain in just less than a minute. He injected them. And in every case, none of them went into shock. 90% of them were out of pain and they used nothing. It was sailing, right?

So after World War II, he went back to Harvard and he was the person that created what we now considered being the double-blind studies, which are always compared to a placebo, right? And what most people don't know is the bigger the placebo intervention, the more powerful the mind believes it. So a small pill is less effective than a big pill.

An injection is more powerful than a pill in terms of its effectiveness. The most powerful is a sham surgery. Now, the Veterans Administration did a study and they did on people doing knee surgeries and they took one third of the people and they just caught them open and this decides them and so the back up did nothing. A year later this group, the group that had no surgery, had the least amount of pain, the most amount of flexibility, and most of them had

so they stopped funding those surgeries giving an idea. But that's how powerful it is. And so when you, it's even more than Harvard did a study when they took barbituets Maybe these big red pills and said this is an amphetamine you need to prepare your body because you're gonna speed up It didn't give them something fake they give them an actual drug that slows the body down and the body sped up So most people understand the power of the mind and so what I've tried to do a show people even in this book Here are the things that you can do to take control of your mind because if you take care of your body And then you don't take care of your mind and emotions, you can be miserable.

Yeah. What sparked that question was something you said, you said that you start your morning by jumping in the cold. That's right. And you never feel like doing it and you said that, I just said to my body, it's time to go. That's right. And that's what sparked the question because I was like, that's a really interesting skill

and you trained yourself to be okay with discomfort. You're training yourself as your first skill of the day is I am okay with uncomfortable things. And I know I can get through this. And that to me is what sounds like a really important part of emotional fitness. It is, because unless you can push through discomfort, most things that are gonna give you the greatest reward

require discomfort initially. And the discomfort is like, my original teacher, Jim Rowne, used to always say, you know, there's two pains in life, the pain of discipline or the pain of regret. You know, discipline, ways, ounces, regret, ways, tons. You know, and so I've trained myself to do that. And then I meditate, then I always make an acknowledgement call briefly or leave a voicemail for someone just because to spark the day and then I do the first thing I do is always whatever is the most difficult yes because then you have momentum for your day and when you train your brain to do It's difficult first Then emotional fitness just comes naturally and more importantly so does achievement so does your ability contribute to other people because I have a hundred and five companies now to give an idea

I manage 13 of them directly on going late and you And you know, there are all kinds of different industries, from AI to my resorts and Fiji to sports teams, I own. And I mean, it's insane that the economy of all, we're doing $7 billion in business. So I gotta do that while I'm being a good dad to five kids and five grand kids while I'm taking care of my body while I'm living my normal mission. So if I don't take care of my body and my energy

and my mind, I mean, you'd be overwhelmed by all the demands because listen, I've got to just pick up my phone and you're going to have all kinds of, oh, that's cool. That's it. Because you have one of the chances with thousands employees on three, four different continents now that somebody's messing up. If messing up is not what I think they should be doing, it's 100%. So I'd always be in reaction until I train my brain to say, now, you know, problems are a sign of life and all they are challenges to be solved and what makes you a great leader is you ability to solve problems or teach Teams to build a culture where they can solve problems and so it gives me this tremendous creativity and flexibility, but I've got the base of energy to make it work. Yes, yes, exactly. And you've given yourself a permission to say this, this matters first before we get lost

in the 7 billion and 105 companies and all of that. And I think that permission is often the toughest part. But one of the things that stood out to me was I sat down and this was a really beautiful answer that I want to share with you because I think it will spark where I want to go next. I interview a lot of Navy SEALs and I like sitting down with people without extreme experiences because I feel that extreme experiences have opened up different parts of the brain, different parts of the body that we've ever had. And the spirit. And the spirit too. Exactly. And one of the people I sat down with was Jocka Willink. Yes, I love it. You know, he's been a leader for 25 years and incredible Navy SEAL highly accomplished.

And I asked him, and we were on Zoom, right? This was during the pandemic. So I didn't even get to have this to him. Yeah. And that's what I'm so grateful for this. I sat with him and I said to him, I said, you've done everything that's difficult and uncomfortable, potentially known to human beings

in your field. What's the most difficult thing you've ever done? And I didn't know what to expect, and I never do. I try not to project or predict what I think someone's gonna say, and he said to me, said the most difficult thing that I've been through is watching a fellow trooper go down next to me and having to carry on the mission

without getting the moment to save, to mourn, to hold, to carry, he goes, I just have to continue the mission. And that was just an answer that, he could have said, oh, I was like, standing in the cold water, I was doing this, I was doing that. And so I wanted to ask you,

what was the most difficult thing when you know all this and you've seen someone's pain and either they weren't willing to apply it, you saw them too late. Has there been someone in your life that you're like, I had all these tools to help them with, but they weren't ready to receive or that it wasn't accessible at that time for them. Has there been that or have you found that you've always found a way to get through and not even you personally I mean in your personal life too. Yeah, I first of all identify agree with what Jacques told you which is

You know dealing with the loss of someone you care about is probably the most difficult thing of all I would say maybe as a child seeing the level of frustration between my parents, you know, had four different fathers and watching them kind of, you know, accept whatever life gave them as a part. So it's why a lot of my drive came about, is seeing my fathers be berated by my mother, who I loved dearly, and just watching them break down. Like, you know, I'm probably the single most painful event

in my life, but also shaped me in such a beautiful way, was when I was 11 years old, we had no money for food and it was Thanksgiving, which in America is a big holiday season. And so we've been without food before, we have crackers and butter and we survived, but we weren't gonna have a Thanksgiving feast. And there's knock at the door and I go to the door

and there's this giant guy there with groceries in each hand, he had a pot beside him on the ground with an uncooked turkey. And I just like, I said, who are you here for? Because I'd like to speak to your father and my mom and dad were yelling at each other saying things that you can never take back. And I'm trying to make sure my younger brother and sister, their five and seven years younger, wouldn't hear any of this. And that day changed my life because I thought it's going to be the most exciting day. Dad, dad, go to the front. What is it?

That's it for you. You answered, no, it's for you. And I remember open the door and I was just so excited to see my father be happy. Like, we're gonna have a feast. This is gonna be incredible. And he got angry. And he's like, we don't accept charity.

We went to slam the door at the man's face. And the man's foot was there, so bounced off his foot. He's still open the groceries. And he's like, sir, I'm just a delivery guy. He said, it's not charity I'm just a delivery guy. He said, it's not charity. Everybody has a tough time.

Someone bought this and they're sending it to you as a gift. My father said, we don't take charity, goes to close the door again. This time the guy's shoulder was there also. So it bounced off again. And then I was standing right there and there was this moment I'll never get where this man looked at my father.

And he looked at me and he said, sir, don't let your ego make your family suffer. And the veins of my dad's face on the side of his neck, I'll never forget the balls, I like his face turned around, there's gonna punch him in the face. And then there's this moment, my dad's shoulders dropped,

he took the groceries, slammed the door didn't say thank you, and stormed off. And I was remember thinking, like how can he's not happy? You know you talk about pain. It's like I love my father so much and He there's basically three decisions that I think everybody makes in their life that whether aware of it or not moment to moment I figured this out afterwards because I was so obsessed with what's wrong because he eventually left our family And that was the most painful thing ever. So it's like feeling like I failed. You know,

I blame myself like why couldn't I get through to my father, you know, 11 years old. But later on, it helped me understand the three decisions are first you got aside with to focus on every moment of your life. There's something grabbing your focus and you don't experience life. You experience the part of life you focus on, right? What's wrong is always available. So it's what's right, right? And they're different kinds of focus. And my dad's focus that day was really on what he hadn't done. And I know that because he kept muttering it.

And I hadn't taken care of his family. There's no funny for Thanksgiving. Somebody had to give his charity. And then the second decision you make about, once you focus on something, is what does it mean? Is this the end of the beginning? If you think it's the end of a relationship,

you're gonna behave different than it's the beginning, right? My dad's meaning was that he was worthless. And so then the third decision is, what do I do? Which whatever meaning come up, it creates the emotions, which affects what you do, and what do you say, do is leave your family. But for me, it was like, this is amazing. I mean, you know, we haven't been Thanksgiving.

You know, this is incredible. We have food, what a concept. And then the meaning of those, what changed my whole life, which was, wow, strangers care. That completely changed my life. That painful experience, I couldn't deny that somebody who wanted no credit delivered this food to my family. And so what I decided to do is say, someday,

I'm going to do this for another family. So now 17, I had two families and it was a euphoric experience. I went in jeans and a T-shirt and go like the delivery guy, but I wanted to see the face of the people. And then next year was four people. And then it was eight and I literally my thing was doubling. And I had a little company and then I got to a million people a year and then I got to four million people a year.

Then when I was doing money master the game, I'm in the evening, these billionaires, Jay. And I'm watching Congress cut food stamps. It's now called the SNAP program. By, I think it was $6 billion. So every family that actually needs food, and my family was one of those back then, they all have to come up with a week's worth of food

out of every month. So I was like, I call my team and I say, how many people have I fed in my lifetime? I didn't know there was 42 million meals. It was like, that's pretty cool. And I was like, what I said, how many people have I fed? My lifetime, I didn't know that was 42 million meals. That's pretty cool. And I was like, what if I fed 50 million people like my entire lifetime in one year? And there's like, what have I done in a hundred of me?

What if I fed a billion people in 10 years? So that was seven years ago, where at 850 million meals, and I'm gonna hit the billion earlier than what my promised and targeted, and then I've got a sustainable approach. But I tell you that because my worst day was my best day. My the most painful day the day where I felt like I'd do the least where I felt imponent led me to have new understandings, new skills, new capacities, new drives, new hunger.

I mean, what I really be feeding 100 million people a year, 100 million meals a year, if I was well fed as a child, probably not. And I'd love to believe I'm such a perfect person, but no, I just know what suffering feels like, so I don't want anybody else to suffer, you know? So I think sometimes the suffering experiences of our life, if we don't let them crush us, we let them drive us, they actually become the best day of your life.

And taking your worst day and making your best day, it's a beautiful target for anybody. That is just, it's magical even hearing it. Does magical experience? Yeah, yeah, exactly. I can only imagine like just hearing it. I'm just, you know, it's such a beautiful visual. So to live it is just, you know, on the other end of that.

Thank you for sharing that so much. It's such a it's so profound and so wonderful with the with the question. It's when you see it's you see there's grace in life too. It's like, I least think in the early days, because my mom was beautiful. She was the most influential person in my life. And yet, she also, when she drank alcohol and took prescription medication, she got crazy.

So she smashed my head against the long time, blood, or feed me liquid soap. And I never told her about this one. She's alive, but I had this group of young kids that I could see tall white guy who seems to be quite successful, you know, what his he knows, I told him the whole story. But out of all that, it's like if my mom had been the mother,

I wanted it to be. Yeah. I probably not be demanding proud to be. Yes. Like I had a girl, I had to become a practical psychologist that 11 to manage her so that my brother and sister weren't messed up And it's like there's grace and everything and it's I always think it's like it's our job to realize the life's happening for us Not to us and to find how it's happening for us. That's our job if we do that then we have a magical life

If we don't but if your energy is low and you're exhausted then you don't you don't find those empowering meanings Yeah, you know, that's why to me you can't separate the mind and the body. You got to feed the mind and strengthen the body on a daily basis in some way. And if you do that, life can be pretty miraculous. Yeah, and I did that for too long. I can actually relate to that. And it was my wife that turned me on to the body because I was one of those people that focused on the mind and the spirit.

Right. And as I shared with you earlier, ignore the body. Because I thought, well, I'm young, I've always been healthy. I don't really know what physical health looks like. And then my wife is a nutrition, a dietitianist, and I really help counsellor. Counsellor, she comes into my life

and she's just like, you need to do this, this, this, this, you need to change this, and you die. And I'm thinking, why are you asking me to change? But it was so fascinating to me because it's exactly what you just said. You can't disconnect the two. And going on that, you said focus and mood about your father. You have a whole section in here dedicated to focus and mood.

Walk us through that because what you just explained to us is the emotional focus and mood of your father. But here you're talking about how the physicality of focus and mood can affect us. They go together. I'll give you an example of how powerful we are for the psychological side. Right now, you don't have to out of COVID.

So many people have been shut down in terrible place. And I'm sure you've seen that drug overdoses that the largest they've ever been in history is over 100,000 people last year. Suicides, one out of four kids under the age of 30, according to the CDC, whether they're accurate or not, I don't know, have considered suicide some time in the last two years. Because we all need a compelling future. We need to look something with forward to. So Stanford came to me and their genetics lab has been doing research on depression.

And what they found was that by doing meta studies is only 40% of the people who go in for therapy, who they get drugs and therapy together usually, only 40% make any improvement, 60% don't improve at all. That's not a lot more than what you can get in some perceivos. And so they approached me and said, a couple of people went through one of your programs. One was clinically depressed, they're not anymore, but we don't have any science on this. Would you be one of us to do a science test? I said, sure.

So they came out to the state with Destiny Seminar I do, which helps people to change their values and belief structures. I don't tell them what they need to be. They figure out what it needs to be. And it changes the way you perceive life, the way you experience life, how you feel, what you do. It's a rewiring of your model of the world, basically,

in six days. And so they said, we're gonna model this after the greatest breakthrough they found in science and no one able to follow up on. They about two years ago, Johns Hopkins did a study on depression. They said, we're going to model this after the greatest breakthrough they found in science and no one able to follow up on. About two years ago, Johns Hopkins did a study on depression. I think it gave people civil siden, right, which comes from magic mushrooms. And they did therapy for 30 days.

And at the end of it, 53% of the people were depression free, 30 days later. Never happened. When we say 40% are helped, the average amount of help is 50% less depressed. That's what the average is. Some people completely turn around, some people and all. In this one, 53% of the people. So it's four times the result of any drug that have ever been done, but unfortunately, still Simon's not legal, so they're still working on it. And they said, we're going to copy that exact study. And we're going to have a group that they compared to, which is didn't go to the seminar, the comparison group is going to do gratitude journaling and so forth

because positive psychology talks about that. And they said that's probably what this seminar does, it's just positive thinking. Well, the cool thing was that they came out. The results were so amazing. It's Stanford that they went and had two new additional double blind people do the research, because it just seemed so ridiculous. At the end of the first week, 63% of people had no depression symptoms. At the end of six weeks, it increased through time. A hundred percent of the people had no depression symptoms. Nineteen percent of the people had suicidal ideation, zero had suicidal ideation. It blows away any study.

It just came out, it's coming out next week in the psychiatric journal, which is Journal of American Medical Association Psychiatric Journal, or the two top journals in the field. They can't even believe it. So they're going to do more. And the actual scientific article says, this is more powerful than any drug therapy or any forms of normal therapy combined. And what are we doing? We're getting people to change, basically, those three questions to some extent. Because your values control what you focus on.

If you're security driven and you're here down to my basement right now, you're like, where's the exit? You came down a slide like, how do I get out of here? If you're adventure driven, you don't care. You don't even know where it is. So your focus is controlled by your values and your belief systems. The meaning of things is controlled by your belief systems. So those three decision-making things, you know, what I'm going to focus on, what does it mean,

what I'm going to do? Shift. And one good example of this, Jay, is maybe your audience can relate to this, because if we just took three patterns. So let's say focus, most people have a focus either on what they have or what's missing. We both, we all do both. But what do you think most people focus on more often? What they have or what's missing? What's missing? That's right. Now, even achievers do that. I could start to like somebody who's not successful. It's one of the reasons you see these achievers that know what they do. It's never enough. Just think about it. If you're always focusing what's missing from your life, how can you sustain happiness? It's software that will not allow that. You'll feel happy for a little amount in the universe just missing again.

What do you think is more often people focus on what they can control or can't control? What they can't control. Yeah, and my seminars, it's can control. That's why they go. I want to learn how to take control of my body or my finances or my business, whatever it is. So it's the opposite.

But the average person, it's what they can't control. And with COVID, there's so much you can't control around you that people really sunken that. Well, how's someone gonna feel? Just everyone think about it. If you're constantly focused on what's missing from your life and what you can't control, and then I'll add one more.

Do you focus more on the past, the present, or the future? We all do all three, but we tend to have one we focus more on, or do you think more people focus? Pasta. That's right. And achievers focus or the future. We all do all three, but we tend to have one we focus more on, or do you think more people focus? POST. That's right. And achievers focus on the future, and happy poop on the present. Yeah.

So, so that, you know, if you're gonna be achiever, the ideal is the presence, so you experience it, anticipating the future, so you can shape your life, right? But the past you can't change. So I ask people in seminars, you got stadium 15, 20,000 people, and I'll say how many of you know somebody that takes any depressants and they're still depressed?

And 80% of the room raised their hands and me know somebody. Wow. Well, how come? Because all I know, the presence do is numb you so that you're less intense, but they don't deal with the source of the problem, which is you're constantly seeing what's missing. And it doesn't matter whether you're successful or not. That's why there are these people that have been wealthy and think their own life. They see what's missing. They focus on all the things they can't control.

There's plenty we can't control. But there's plenty we can influence and plenty we can't control. And just a couple of changes like that completely change someone's life. And so those changes in the beliefs and values, change what they look moment to moment, change their experience of life, are no longer depressed.

Yeah, the biggest thing that I learned from that, apart from all the incredible stuff you said, is I didn't think about security once when we came down to slide. That's either because I trust you a lot. I don't know if you, if it was someone else telling me to get down to slide, I don't know if I would have done it.

But now I'm like, oh wait a minute, we're under water. Now I'm starting to have all the thoughts. That's incredible. That's, yeah, that's those questions are fascinating to me. And you were saying that the people that come to your seminars are people that are the opposite. And I think the same of the people I listened to this podcast.

They're choosing to listen to this podcast. Because they want to take charge. They're just watching a show or binge watching another series. They're here trying to take charge of that. What kind of assurance can you give them that that mindset is one that they should keep watering? Because I feel that often, and you've probably heard this in your seminars, time and time again, people are,

Tony, I'm trying, I read the book, I'm trying to put into practice, but I still keep failing or I still keep struggling. Someone who's already on, but feels that failure, that rejection, that pushback, what can keep them going? I think it's, I understand. There's no replacement for persistence

as simplistic as that is. It's like, you know, disappointment either destroys you or drives you, and you have to decide which one it's gonna be. If you don't consciously decide, there's always gonna be more BS for you to deal with. And I think, but that's why I think, you know, when I do my events, the reason I do the 12 hours a day, it's not because I like talking. It's just that I can tell you

something all day long, or I can get you to build the muscle. And the build the muscle is like experiencing. And I always tell people a belief, a belief that pours up to you for an experience. Like, I got a belief about you and I experience you. So I get to know who you are, right? The same thing is true. So like, you have a belief about China, a belief about working out. So I try to get people experiences are, right? The same thing is true as like, you have a belief about China, have a belief about working out. So I try to get people experiences that are so profound. And then, you know, the studies they did, they found people 12 months later, 11 months later,

they're still in the middle of COVID, they did my digital seminar. And you know, they measured my body, like, the nine times I jump, I jump a thousand times a day, and I wait 20 to two pounds, and I come down four times the body weight. So it's a thousand pounds,

times a thousand pounds of pressure. I am my lactic acid. If you've ever been with a friend and you're running and you can't talk, the point you can't talk is the level four of lactic acid. I'm in an 18 is still speaking. So they decided to do that on my audience and they found an interesting pattern. This is the same group that works with some of the, you know, Super Bowl champions and some of the Stanley Cup champions and so forth.

There's a ratio in the body of testosterone versus cortisol, the stress hormone. And when the ratio is balanced, they call it the championship bloodline, bloodstream. It literally gets you to follow through. So when they did my audience in my life seminar, they found that people literally mirror me all the way through the experience. That's phenomenal. Biochemically. That's phenomenal. I don't chemically. That is phenomenal.

But then we did it on, we did it, you know, because all of a sudden overnight they said to me, you know, we're going to San Francisco and the governor of California says, you can only have 10 people and we have 15,000. So I was like, we'll go to Vegas. They'll never shut down the Vegas. They shut down Vegas.

I was like, okay, well, do 1500 movie theaters with 10 people in them. They shut down the movie theaters. Like, okay, we'll go to a church in Houston. I got a buddy, I'll rent his church 15,000 people. I'm not going to keep Costco open and shut down the church. They kept Costco open and shut down the church. So I finally said, okay, I'm not going to do some

crappy web and r. So I get this vision. I'm going to build this facility with 20 foot high LED screens, 50 feet wide all around me. I'm going to call Eric on it and zoom. I'm going to get them from 1 from 1000 up to 25,000 people so I can interact with people live in real time on a building app so they can shake it.

And the more people do it, the louder it gets. So it's real. So I built this whole thing. So now we're doing bigger events than ever in our entire history. But they did the same measurements on them in different parts of the world. And so they exact same mirroring process.

And the average person, even digitally, just to try it, yeah. 71% of the, they had 71% drop in negative emotions, 53% improvement in positive emotions, and 11 months later,

in the middle of COVID, it held. Because it's a biochemical change. So when people say, I'm trying, I write books because it's an easy entry point to people. There's so much you can learn from the book. But there's nothing like the experience. That's why I do the events.

And like, there's last two years, because of COVID, I did two, like, six day free events. We had 800,000 people attend for six days, just four weeks ago, because I just wanted people to have answers where they are. And then people start to see, they get momentum, but it's hard to do just reading something

or watching a couple of 20-minute or 15-minute or five minute little pieces on YouTube. Those are great, they might inspire you, but a transformation requires immersion. It's like, if you ask average person, did you study a foreign language in school? Most people, oh yeah, high school of college speak it. They don't But if you turn around and you said, okay, what if you want to learn Italian and I just took you to Rome and dumped you off for six weeks

With no teacher you're gonna come back six weeks later speaking, you know Italian So it's immersion and if you want to master something I think that's the thing most people don't do. They read a little bit. They listen a bit. They dip in and out something I think that's the thing most people don't do. They read a little bit, they listen a bit, they dip in and out, they don't go day and night, night and day and total immersion and something that transforms them and also something that makes them push through their fears. Yes.

Because in the end, that's the only thing that stops me. Everybody's got a story, I didn't know this person, I don't have the resources, they have all the things they don't have. But if you're resourceful, you can get the money, you can get the time, you can get the energy, you can get anything you want. And you've got to get over your fear to're resourceful, you can get the money, you can get the time, you can get the energy, you can get anything you want. And you've got to get over your fear to be resourceful.

So we do experiences that are so physiologically profound that those fears do not stop you anymore. And that's how we get people to get, you know, 10 years later, they're still transformed from an experience that was one weekend. The fact that people are mirroring you, that is even through a screen. That is mind-blowing. It is even easier to see on the earth. It's green.

That is mind-blowing. It is mind-blowing. And that's for a screen too. Yeah. That blue-wow mind-blowing. But you know what's really cool about the screens is like if you're in my seminar, you're in a giant stadium and I'm a dot. I mean, most people watching me on a screen anyway, right?

Unless you're in the front row. And but, you know, I can see your eyes, like feel what's going on. I'm running around the building. Here, I can scan so many people and I see them in their home. I see them with their children. I see the interaction with their husband or their wife. I see what they're eating. And I'm with them 12, 13 hours a day for three or four days.

And we start here, for example, 10 a.m. and we're in 195 countries. So we got one for 25,000 people, March 17th of the 20th here. And we will have people in Australia starting at midnight and going to one of me after an event for four days. And people in Italy are doing it at a different time. So it's like we literally have the whole world engaged. So that's been the blessing of COVID. It's like I always tell people you use stress or stress

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And I love, the thing I love about immersion and events or retreats is that you actually build friendships. That's right. Like a community that's here. The community for sure. The community of that accountability of we're doing this together, we're drawing together, we're building together that. There are people who think like me and look like me.

I'm intrigued Tony at this stage in your life. What do you look for in a friend? In a friend? Yeah. Well, that's interesting question. Yeah. Most of my friends or people that are unbelievably driven to contribute. I mean, I think, you know, if you want an extraordinary life, like, you don't have to do that much

to have a good life for yourself. So it's like, most of us, if you find something you care about more than yourself, and I know you know what I'm talking about, Jay, and you want to serve something. You and I both, I think, see what we do as a calling. It's not a work per se. It was work. I don't need to work it every other day on my life, but I'm called, you know? So I think my friends are people that are called and my friends are people that are funny, because I love to laugh. But they're just, I love, I'm the kind of guy I'm so easy.

If I go to a movie and somebody sacrifices and does the right thing, you know, I cry my eyes out. It's like, I've been since I was a little boy, there's something inside me that just says that's the goodness of the human spirit, you know. And so my friends are people that are made up of that basically. And I have friends that are incredibly successful with best in the world they do. I have a lot of friends that are 18 years, my senior, 20 years, my senior. And I've known them since they were, you know, 45. And now they're're 75 or 80 and so they've given me kind of

see the road ahead. Everybody's path is different but the road of life changes and I'm you know I'm in a stage in my life now where I'm able to mentor people at a different level you know just because I've had so many life experiences that I've had to take it to history. You know, I've been there with Gorbachev at the point when he's trying to figure out what to do, or Princess Diana when she's deciding if she want to no longer be Princess. You know, I've had some wild experiences, the greatest athletes in the world at key moments in their careers. So I've had these cool tickets to history, which have put things in such a perspective that when stuff happens that upsets people, it's like, you know, compared to what? I mean, that's like, you know,

it's pretty simple compared to what most people happen to go through, so I feel really blessed. But I hope people, in the book, one of the things I hope people pick up that, you know, young people don't think about very much is testing. I was never a person that would only kind of like you with your wife, right? Ah, I'm gonna do this thing thing and then in order to perform, I learned every biohack.

But like, I don't want to get in the system to get measured. But today, there's some amazing tests. So like, I was used to be afraid of cancer. There's a brand new test. The one thing I can come in the book I should mention is, I tell you all these stories of these amazing and things that have created this breakthroughs. And what they all have in common, these huge breakthroughs, some of which took 20 or 30 years and are just now available, they all lost somebody. They lost a wife or a husband or a child or a close patient, and it drove them not to accept the standard of care and find a new solution. And so one of those is this test called Grail. It's a simple blood test that anybody can do now. Just came out nine months ago, eight months ago. And it allows

you to test your body for any cancer in your body. And it's the wise that important. Because the national cancer institute did a study and they found that if you get diagnosed at stage two, or CH3 or four, you have an 80% chance of dying. I prefer I have a 20% chance of living and figuring that out. But their point is well made, it's hard to turn around. If you get at stage one or two, you have an 80 to 99.9% chance of living. So with cancer is going to affect most people in their lifetime. Be able to do a quick blood test and or an MRI for those pieces and know exactly what's

going your body is amazing. We had a doc, a gentleman came to one of our centers and he had already had his physical and his wife is it. I want you have the very best. And he's like, I've already done the really negative attitude bad, which we understood. And one of the docs said, listen, let's do the grail test on you. He had already had your analysis blood test,

traditional physical, and a guy end up having bladder cancer. And but it was really early. He's got it early, right, cancer. But it was really early study. He's really early, right, right. So it was a 20 minute outpatient procedure as no cancer. If he wouldn't have caught it, you got a real problem. Another one is it's called a CCTA scan. It's brand new. It's one of my doctor friends and one of my partners

and one of my businesses called me up and he says Tony and he's like Mr. understated. He built 12 hospitals and then he sold them because he wants to be in prevention and regeneration And he says Tony there's been one of the greatest breakthroughs in cardiology that I've seen last 10 years You got to come check it out. What is it because when a doctor does a CT scan usually don't get that unless you got a problem There's a lot. It's hard to read those scans. They're very grave. You're very skills still missing But there's this new scan now that uses AI and it literally opens every artery in your

body because what they're looking for is soft plaques. Soft plaques can break off and it's called the Widowmaker. You have your heart attack or a stroke. If you're and it happens to people now 35, 40 years old, it's happening younger and younger because of the lifestyles that we've taken on. But what's interesting is a hard-and-cow simam, which is what they see when they do just a traditional, it's healed. So I heard about it, and I'm gonna go to the scan,

and I took my father-in-law with me because he's 80 years old, and you know, people around you when you get older, start saying you should organize your affairs, and I could just see his energy drop. He's a great guy. Anyway, I took him to the scan. He's perfect.

He's absolutely perfect. And his entire attitude changed. Plus, you know, we have this stuff we do for a lot of the great athletes think their curves over where they scan a hearing where you've had an injury and they use ultrasound. And then they use this fluid, amnesty fluid, and they open up the channel so that a nerve that's been trapped or somebody really heals, it heals in minutes.

And so my father-in-law also had this hip problem. They held this hip problem in 30 minutes. His heart's perfect. We get on the airplane, the way home, and he looks at me and goes, you know Tony, these people talk about living in a hundred and ten and a 20. I don't know about that,

but I could live another 20 hours. I got a great heart. I got this great funny. And he's like, you know, I'm walking perfectly, he goes, you've only been married to my daughter 22 years, that's like another lifetime, you know? And so what I love is what it does for people. And then, and then I'll

say something with hormones, you know, when somewhere between 35 and 40, sometimes early 40s, hormones start to change radically. Women are more attuned to hormones, but they look at the hormone replacement therapy. But like I had a guy that came his 39 years old, gained like, I don't know, I think it was like 35, 38 pounds or something like that. Really working out hard, making no progress, lost a sense of drive. And we said, well, if you look at your hormones, it goes, yeah, my doc looked at my hormones, hormones are fine. When we look at the blood test, in his hormones, I think where his testosterone was like

160. Most men don't feel alive, but unless they have 7 to 800, some as much as 1000. So he doesn't need replacement technically to be alive, but to have his body functioning and ideal was missing. So all he did was a small amount of testosterone, total transformation, loses weight, got his drive, got his libido back, got everything else back. So there's some little things you do. There's a metal test.

I had a really bad, a bad hit with mercury, because I was a vegan, then I felt like I needed some other form of protein, so I started eating fish. Now I only had a salad and fish, salad and fish, but I had tuna and swordfish, my favorites. Those are 75 year old fish, eat all the smaller fish, and we polluted the water so much now, they're filled with mercury.

And so I went to go get this set of tests, and they tested me on a zero to five, where five is extremely concerning. I was 123. And so I spent the last four or five years getting that mercury out of my body. It literally was make it interrupts your ATP, your energy level.

If you start feeling foggy or exhausted or tired, it can be metals. And about one out of three people and cling friends to are 25 years old, because of the environment right now, they go and they discover they've got cadmium or they've got lead or they've got mercury. So I really encourage people to go do that metals test.

If you're not feeling great, a lot of times when people think it's aging, it's just metals. And you can get them out of your system when they're small, and it's a hell of a lot easier than what I've got through my life. And it's really interesting because you keep pushing, you can get lost in the fact that it's all in your head.

And the truth is it isn't always all in your head. It's physiological as well. Yeah, I had that recently where I was actually feeling fine, but I went and did a lot of micronutrient tests or did a lot of other tests. I wanna go and do a lot of the tests you just recommended. I'm gonna definitely ask you where I should go. But I went and did a basic vitamin D test.

I've been doing these since I was a kid. And I went and my doctor and my health coach was looking at the stats and everything. And she said to me, she said, Jay, you're at a 10. The average is 60 and 100 is good. That's right. I don't know how you get out of bed in the morning.

And I'm like, I'm gonna affect your hormones by the way. Correct. D3 affects your hormones. Yeah, and I was like, I get out of bed just the morning. Yeah. And then it affects your hormones, by the way. Correct. D3 affects your hormones. Yeah, and I was like, I get out of bed just fine. Yeah. And she couldn't believe that I would- You can overcome a lot with your psychology.

Correct. Right. I was doing the same thing with Mercury in my body. Correct. But I was thinking, imagine if my body was not with you. Exactly. Like just imagine what would be possible. Yeah.

And I think that's why I love what you've done with this book, Life Force, because that's what it's praising emphasis on. Yeah. So go get tested. Go check it out. I love how you use the language this book, Life Force, because that's what it's praising emphasis on. So go get tested, go check it out. I love how you use the language of coaches not commanders. Right, like we're not trying to, you're not saying to anyone, this is exactly what to do and this is how to do it.

You're saying, please go in, experiment with these things. Please don't practice them, implement them into your life. And I cannot wait to figure out how to implement all these things in my life, because I think it's so easy to sit back when you're in your 20s, in your 30s. And just go, oh, I'm okay right now. Things are okay.

I can pretty much get away with a bad night out or a chute. But you know what else are there before you in the subtitle says it? It's for you and somebody you love. Yes, I love that. Because you're at the stage of life you're in, you're gonna start finding more people with your parents or someone else's in a challenge.

And so there's like, whether it's, like for me at this stage of my life, I know so many people, I don't know, two times a month at least, someone calls me and they have found him with cancer or somebody's starting to develop Alzheimer's or somebody had a stroke. And I don't know what the hell to do before, right?

Cause the standard of care is so weak in those areas. But here you've got answers that'll blow your mind. Or you know, somebody with Parkinson's, for example, like in grandma or somebody like that. There's this new technique, it's unbelievably ultrasound. It's called incisionless brain surgery. They don't cut you open anyway. I saw this woman who's on 15 medications,

and I don't know if you've seen somebody with Parkinson's, but they can't even hold a glass, they can't. She couldn't walk across the room. And it's an outpatient process. It's in a hundred universities, and it's covered by insurance now. This is not all unbelievable. This is, most people don't know about it.

You go in, it takes about an hour to find the pinpoint spot that's creating the tremor. They treat it for 30 seconds. The woman comes out of the MRI, right? And she gets the blocks across the room. I'm watching her and then somebody hands her a glass and it doesn't hit her. Like at first, I don't know if you've ever seen

somebody get those audio implants and they hear for hit her like at first. I don't know if you've ever seen somebody get those audio implants and they hear for the first time. They cry. But when they enter the glass and she can hold the glass and she just start crying uncontrollably, that was two years ago, two months ago, she did a 50 mile bike ride, right? I mean, that's the kind of tools that are available.

If you've got some, it's got osteoarthritis. And even kids, 35, 40 years old, their athletes can create some real challenges in their body there. There's a new injection. This is not approved yet. It's a phase three trial. So phase one is safety.

Then phase two is efficacy in the phase three is efficacy at scale. Then you get approved. So it's in the final stage. They think it'll be approved either in the fall or spring of next year. One injection. If you've got osteoarthritis, it's causing your own stem cells to regrow all your tendons based on the original DNA input. So it's like 16-year-old tendons, even if you're 30, 40, 50 or 60 years old, and no more osteoarthritis, brain attendance inside your body. So this kind

of world we're in right now. These are things that are happening right now that people just don't know about. And why don't we know about them? And why is it that you have to go and dig all, because it seems like what you've done is you've mined, you've been going in mind and gone to the very best to bring this to the fore. Like all my billionaire friends, they all know this, because they all want the cutting edge, right?

So all I did is kind of took what I did with moneymash to the game, that's how I got introduced to this. And then I, and also the spay on needs, I tore my rotator cups so severely, I was at a falling a 22 year old professional snowboarder down a hill, and I'm not a professional snowboarder. I could not make those moves.

And literally when I woke up was unconscious, I thought I broke my neck, I ripped my rotator cups. So what do you do? I go to four different doctors, they all say, surgery, surgery, what's the prognosis? Well, you may not lift your arm above your shoulder again. It could tear again. How long to repair?

How long did rehab? Four to six months. I'm gonna be on stage doing this with one arm over a year. So I work with a lot of grace to all time athletes and Christian Ronaldo was supposed to be out for three months. He did stem cells that took him two and a half weeks. So I was like, what about stem? No, no, they don't work, they don't work.

And then I was like, I have a final doc who literally looked me in the face. And he was a fan of my work. I didn't know going there And then it's like, I have a final doc literally looked me in the face. And he was a fan of my work. I didn't know going there. And he's like, oh my God, you're the Tony Robinson. He goes, oh no, no, you saved my marriage. You made me all this money, did it? And he goes, thanks for hearing that.

But now I got to be your doctor. And he puts my spine up and he goes, life as you know it is over. Literally when he said to me, and I said, well, you clearly didn't go to my communication seminar. And he's like, this is not funny. Don't make a joke. This is real. And he goes, you know didn't go to my communication seminar. And he's like, this is not funny. Don't make a joke.

This is real. And he goes, you know, you have severe spinal stenosis. I've been paying for 14 years. And he goes, one good hit and you're required to plead no more jumping, no more running, no more life. And like if you're hitting a stomach and you're ready for it, I wasn't ready for it. I got to be honest.

There's two hours in my, feeling like my life was over. And then I got my head back. And then I was like, OK, I'm gonna check out stem cells. And I met Bob Parari, the top guys in the world. He told me where to go. And the United States, the ones I needed, for your elbow, your knee, your own stem cells might work. But if you're doing a shoulder and a back,

or something, you need something more powerful. And he said, you need four-day-old stem cells. I go, I said, I don't want, you know, something that comes in baby, goes, no, no, no, no. He goes, when babies are born, the cord is filled with this and the placenta is filled with these. And so I went and did four days of treatment, just an hour a day of an IV and a shot.

First day I felt, you know, sleepy, second day I had a side of con response. I wasn't scared, I knew it was kind of shaking, freezing for 20 minutes. But then I woke up the next morning and now it was my shoulder pro. And you know, MRI, my shoulder, you wouldn't even believe it. No downtime, no surgery, but my spinal stenosis is gone.

I got no pain in my spine. And I've had that for 14 years. So it's like, that's why I wrote this book. I became obsessed. Then the Pope invited me to come speak. He the Pope puts on the biggest regenerative conference every two years. And they want me to be the clean up speaker.

I'm like, I'll do that. And I want to go through all four days. Yeah. And then I met all these people who were sent home to die with cancer who've been turned around, you know, stage four cancer because they, some of the techniques in this book, I met Jack Nicholas, the greatest golfer of all time. He couldn't stand for more than 10 minutes. The pain was so bad.

And now he's eight. He did, was supposed to have a spinal fusion, which he did not do. Thank God. And he did stem cells. And now he's 82 playing golf in tennis again. have a spinal fusion, which he did not do, thank God. And he did stem cells, and now he's 82, playing golf in tennis again. So I was like, I became an evangelist. And then I just, I went and said, I wanna learn the best of everything.

And I learned it was much more than stem cells. It's this, just like you see, technology doubling and power every 18 months and having a cost, we are code now. So most people of her, CRISPR, I mean, we're literally curing diseases that would have been cured in history before. And we're at the beginning of the beginning of that growth curve. So it's only up from here and the opportunities are extraordinary, but you can think of yourself, but you can also think of people you love who might need your help

and now you'll have answers. Definitely. I'm so grateful to you, Peter and Robert, for putting this book together, because like I said, I just dive into it and eat it into each chapter and it's just so comprehensive, it's so dense, it's got every study and research that you need to convince you that it's out there. And I love what you just added to what I was saying that we need to go use it for the people we love,

if it's not for us, let's go use it for them. And then one day, because you helped everybody else, they'll be there for you. You know how to do it. Exactly, Tony, you have been so generous with your time. Thank you, I've enjoyed it with you very much, Tony. So generous of your energy. Thank you. Exactly. You have been so generous with your time. Thank you. I've enjoyed it with you. Very much. Generous with your energy. Thank you. And of course in doing all the work and putting this book together, you can tell that I'm writing my second book right now. And I can tell that when

you see a book that is this well-reacist and this deeply done, you know that a lot of work has gone into that. So I want to recommend we're going to this in the link, in the caption, in the comment section, everywhere the link to this book. I know that it's already been an incredible little in international best selling book all over the world. So if you haven't already got it, I highly recommend you go and get it, get it for a friend too, get it for a family member,

get it to give it to someone as well, if you know that they need this right now, and of course get it for yourself. And we're doing any, I'm donating 100% of the profits in this book as I've done all three of my books, last three books, to feeding America, this really feeding 20 million meals there. And so besides helping yourself,

you open up the people, and then the balance is going for Alzheimer's cancer and heart disease research from three of the best researchers in the world. So hopefully the book can only change your life, but it'll also help other people too. Yeah, that's phenomenal. So you're contributing as well as a hundred percent of it. Yeah, which is absolutely beautiful. No, I'm saying, I'm saying

the audience gets to contribute. Oh, yes. You simply by even buying the book, even buying the book is contributing. That's true. Tony, we end every on purpose interview with the final five. These are five questions that are aimed at usually one word to one sentence answers. But would you? If I was capable of that. Yeah, I don't even wanna do it with you. I'm like, I don't wanna do that with you. I wanna break the rules.

I'm like, why am I gonna restrict your greatness to that? Anyway, so here we go. These are your final five. We can totally go off-piece. I do know, I don't care at all. All right, question number one is, what is the best advice you've ever received? I think for me, my original teacher was Jim Rohn,

who I met him on a 17. And I wanted to know why all my fathers were broke because they were good men. And I loved all four of my fathers. And I remember him saying, Tony, we're all equal as souls, but we're not equal in the marketplace. I was like, what does that mean? And he said, well think about it.

He goes, you don't need to become more valuable. If you want to have economic freedom, he said, you have to work on yourself more than anything else. And you have to work on it away where there's something you can do for others better than anyone else. Or at least more, a better quality. And he gave me an example of like working at McDonald's and he said, you know, if you work at McDonald's, you know, you make whatever it was in those days, $5 an hour, whatever it was.

And he said, you know, I call you out, but that seems so unfair. And he goes, yeah, and teachers, I give example of teachers. And there's these billionaires, you know, that make a billion dollars a year, hedge one guy, you know. And he said, Tony, the guy you just mentioned, he provided a 40% return last year. And that went to nonprofits and everything else.

He said, that means those organizations double their money almost every two years, he is adding massive value, hundreds of billion dollars. They made a billion. He goes, this person is doing a job that anyone can learn in 20 minutes or a half a day. So it's a beginning job. He said, you gotta think of it as one

thing. It's all about adding value. How can you do more for others than anybody else in the world? And that stuck with me. I mean, I was like, I decided I wanted to do more for anybody in the world in order to do that. I had a certain skills and I went after those skills and I still do. Like, it's a never ending thing. If you think you're a master, you're full of it, right? So I think that's probably some of the best advice I've received at least on life and business and direction and it affected my mission. Yeah, that's great. Second question, what's the worst piece of advice

you've ever had? First piece of advice. You've ever had, you've never received, maybe received. Oh my God. Well, I've had lots of these advice about what they do in my body, which would have, you know, like, the really sweet man, like sincere man. Yeah, and I realize that people can be sincere and be sincerely wrong.

But like, if I would have taken that drug, you know, I probably would have had cancer. Um, I don't know. I mean, I try not to listen to or forget. I mean, advice isn't too good. I think anybody who advises you to give up is the wrong. That's probably the worst advice of all because anything that you persist in long enough, you can find the answer to I believe. Yeah, and based on that, also the first piece of advice you get on your health. Yes, yes.

Is not always the right piece of life. Business, I'm glad you mentioned this. The Mayo Clinic did a study in 2017. They took 286 patients with various diagnosis, and they took the first diagnosis, and then they had a second doctor do it a diagnosis Only 12% of the time did they match? I mean 88% of the time the first diagnosis in a second were different as a result the male clinic says you should always get a second opinion and they

believe getting a second even a third one refines the diagnosis and makes it better because everyone's working through their perceptions it's not, we think medicine is like black and white, you know, it's right or it's wrong. And it's, it's a lot of art in medicine. People don't realize that. And that's why a standard of care doesn't always get the result they want. That's why these breakthrough doctors, beyond the standard of care, they were attacked some of them beginning. Like, there's a man named Dr. June and they're created these CAR T cells. And I think it's nature just did a publication.

10 years later, they're still, you know, in cancer, they never call it a cure. They're actually calling it a cure for the first time, for liquid, you know, like leukemia and things, like liquid cancers. And it's like, it's amazing. So you've got to understand that there's more than one opinion and you don't give up too easily with just one.

Yeah, and that applies to life too. In so many years areas like you said. I always say it's like if it's about your health and it's about your relationship if it's about raising your children, if it's about your spiritual development, those are areas where people should be your coach not your commander.

Yes. Get lots of input and you decide because they could be sincerely wrong. If you're wrong at least you learn from your own experience. Absolutely. Question number three, what's something you think the majority of people value, but you don't value? Fame, but it's easy when you have something, then it's like easy to go, well, everybody wants it.

I don't know, but it's like when you experience it. When did that happen? Was there ever a time you valued fame or was it the experience of it that made you devalue it a little? I would say devalue it, and I still appreciate it. It's a privilege like I get, you know, I can walk in the room and have people that I have a connection with, you know? But it's been more based on my contribution to them

than just being famous for today. Yes, yeah, okay, go ahead. And that's the difference. You're like, all my friends in the movie business, like, somebody comes up and they get upset because they go, they don't even know who I am. They just want something from me. And mine is, it's a privilege

if somebody can be lit up by your presence, to me, it's a privilege. So, but I think, I think, I was never pursuing fame. Yes, yes. I certainly wanted financial freedom because I grew up without it for my family, but I was never looking to be wealthy,

but I'm fortunate enough to have a lot of economic freedom at this stage. So, but I know that there are people that have got billions of dollars I've worked with them and they're miserable. I've got people that billion dollars and they take their own life. You know, what matters is where's your emotional home? Now, where do you live emotionally?

If you're with a billion dollars in every day, your pissed off and frustrated, your life is pissed off and frustrated. If you've got three beautiful children, they're a beautiful husband or wife, and all this love in your life, but you're worried all the time, you don't feel the love, you're worried. So my thing is valuing the emotional home

and making it the richest place possible inside. Because that's the only way you can control. Yeah, you reminded me, I was with one of my clients who gets recognized 100 times for every one time, I would get recognized. And you'd get stopped every two seconds and someone would take a picture and maybe someone would come shake my hand and talk to me. And we spent a whole day together

and this would happen multiple times a day for him and a few times for me. And he said something really beautiful with me that mirrors what you've just said now. He said to me, he said, Jay, the difference between me getting stopped and you getting stopped is they stopped me for who I play in the movies.

He goes, they stop you for who you are. That's right. And that's what I feel with you. It's like what you were saying, they're saying, that is a privilege and honor. Don't approve of me. And humble is me because it's the for who you are. That's right. And that's what I feel with you. It's like what you were saying, that is a privilege and honor. Don't privilege. And humbles me because it's the idea of, yeah. Like that person, he's like,

they don't even know who I am. They don't know what I stand for. They don't know what I care about. So, yeah. Thank you for showing that. Thank you. All right, question number four is, if you could create one law that everyone in the world

had to follow, what would it be? Love. I mean, I mean, as porno you say, as love would be answer, right? It really is, I think fear is what, you know, if there's a disease, if humanity, the disease that messes us up, I think really is selfishness.

And I think if there's a cure, it's love. And I think I can't mandate it, but when people experience it, it becomes a mandate in their life, you know. I love that. Absolutely. And fifth and final question, you mentioned a book to me that I must read, and you said you wanted to talk about

in the podcast too, so fifth and final question, I thought maybe I'd let you share on that point. Yes, I would. If you want to call it cycles, that way. That's a book I read. I think it came out in the early 90s, and it's called the fourth turning. And it's, it has a, the conceit of the book

is that there are seasons in history. And as I mentioned to you earlier, if you think about like what gives somebody power in any context, it's three things. It's pattern recognition. So if I'm great at running businesses as I am today, pretty good at it, it's like I recognize there's only so many patterns.

I know what to do. I can anticipate, not react. I can at it. It's like I recognize there's only so many patterns. I know what to do. I can anticipate, not react. I can grow it. If you're great in, let's say, the stock market, you know, recognize patterns. If you're great with music, you're in case patterns, if you're great spiritually, recognize patterns. But the second skill is, you don't just recognize them, you can use them. And then third skill is when you recognize and use enough patterns, you start to create them. And that's a different dimension of what's going on. So in this book, you really start to see that humanity changed when we recognize

the pattern of the seasons. As soon as we understood seasons, we didn't have to be wandering through the desert anymore, searching for things we could stay, we could grow crops, because we found out if you plant in the winter, it doesn't matter how hard you work, nothing happens. But when you know the right time to plant,

when you don't do the right thing at the right time, then all of a sudden humanity grew into communities and cities and states and everything else. Well, we have also seasons of our life. So, you know, in some of the traditional, let's say Indian philosophies, I'm sure you know, we can look at these four stages. But we can look at it and say, first 20 years your life roughly, you're primarily learning and

taking things in. Some of us had a work at five years old and so forth, but overall, that's how it is. From 20 to 40, you know, that's springtime. Summer, you forget who you are. Okay, they told me all this crap, no way, test it. Do I really believe that? Does it really work? I know of real relationships. I think I'm invincible. Maybe I'm not. I've been discovered. 20 to 40 is this massive growth period in your life. And if you grow during that time, 40 to 60 is really a reaping time, right? It's like the fall. And the autumn and things come together and things go great. And then from 60 to 80 and maybe 80 on, if you have an extended winter, that's the winter time where now you get to be kind of an elder. So everyone is going to hit winter if they live long enough, meaning some people experience

winter in that zero to 20 stage, some people 20 to 40. When you experience it shapes your life a lot. So in America, the generation we call the greatest generation is the generation of World War II. And they were not respected as young people. I bring this up because millennials, you know, older people very often look at millennials and go, oh, there's snowflakes, they can't handle anything. And some are, every generation, there are people like that. But the generation was born, let's say, in 1910.

That generation, if you think about it, they came of age going to that 20-year-old range. What happened in those 20 years? Well, World War I ended and America was one of the winners. And then there was the roaring 20s and new technology and cars and parties and all this abundance. It was everywhere. So they grew up thinking that's what their life was gonna be like. And at 19 years old, at the morning in 1910, it was 1929. And the whole world around the world, people jumping out of buildings, the dust bowl, the middle of the place, jobs lost.

I mean, it was intense and they were called flappers. They were not respected. They were just partyers. They didn't give it damn bad, anything. They had no responsibility. And suddenly life hit them and they grew. They had to. And they went through 10 years of bad depression,

only to make it to 29 years old, when it's now 1939, and World War II breaks out, and you and I weren't alive then, but anybody alive then will tell you, Hitler was winning. Countries were dropping, and your country, and London was being bombed. I mean, it did not look like we were gonna win.

It was dark, right? And they made it through that, went over fought the war in one. So they have this stage of their life from 20 to 40, which was a horrendous experience, but it made them so strong, and they came back heroes, and they started the next spring time. Because that was winter, right? So next spring time was late 40s after World War II through the 1950s, early 60s until

Kennedy was shot. That kind of 18, 20 year period was a period of great prosperity and growth and everything's easy. And then you have a summer which is always internal conflict. And you can see this in a thousand years of Roman history, every 80 to 100 years, you see the same patterns.

And then after that, you have another fall where finances flow, stock markets rise, everything blows again. This happens over and over and over again through history. So when you see it, it gives you perspective. And so we're in winter right now. We've been in winter since about 2008. And we're not done.

We probably got another six, if history shows, you know, if it's repetitive, it's not exact. Yeah. There's probably another seven or eight years of this. And what happens in winter is the external world. The last winter was World War II. And the external world is reformed. Different countries relate in a different way.

You know, a new reserve currency happened. The United States became the dominant force. Now you're dealing with China. We're seeing the challenges happening in Russia, in the Ukraine. We're seeing things all over the world. People are looking at life differently. People are worried about what the planet's gonna survive

or not, global warming. And so there's gonna be a lot more turmoil. There's the internal turmoil within most countries, including the United States. But when I try to tell people that hopefully helps them is winter does not last forever. No pandemic has lasted forever. No wars lasted forever.

And what's next is springtime. If you were God, when you work it out that way, after the vicious night, you have this beautiful day, after the tough winter, what's next is springtime. If you were God, when you work it out that way, after the vicious night, you have this beautiful day, after the tough winter, there's this nice springtime. So the goal right now is to get strong in winter, not default. If you can be strong in this season, in your business, in your life, then when springtime comes, it's a piece of cake, and if you do well in business

during this time, if you look at the fortune 1000, 65% of them were born in a winter in a depression or a recession. Whether it's Exxon or it's Disney, and Depression, or whether it's Pizza Hut, a federal express that was done in a recession, or Apple or Microsoft in a recession. So if you do well then, you tend to do well through time. And so this is a time, you know, not to say, oh, it's winter, I'm gonna freeze the death. It's like, no, it's a time to learn, grow, expand, spend time with your family, snowboard, you know,

take advantage of the season, and don't think the season is forever. And if you read a book like this, it's a book that, like, some of the greatest leaders I know have all read this book. I got, they also read a book called Generations. It's about 550 pages of Anglo-American history and it shows how each generation affects it.

So what you start seeing is there's patterns here. There's patterns in history. This isn't forever. How do I use what's in front of me instead of freaking out and saying, oh my God, the whole world's coming to an end? Because it looks like that when the dark night of the winter happens, or the dark night of the soul. Yeah, Tony, thank you so much. Thank you. Everyone, Tony Robbins life force

the books available right now we're gonna put the link in the captions, the comments everywhere. I highly recommend that you go and grab this book. It will not disappoint and as you heard today we've just skimmed a surface on the level of insight and wisdom that exists within this book. Please please please go and grab a copy. Tony I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for this incredible honor. Have me in your home and this is the first of many, many meetings. Thank you so much. I'm so grateful. That's interesting, brother. Thank you so much. What if you could tell the whole truth about your life, including all those tender and visible things we don't usually talk about?

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