On Purpose with Jay Shetty - Vanessa Hudgens ON: Manifesting Love & Finding Confidence From Within

Episode Date: May 16, 2022

Do you want to meditate daily with me? Go to go.calm.com/onpurpose to get 40% off a Calm Premium Membership. Experience the Daily Jay. Only on CalmJay Shetty sits down with Vanessa Hudgens to talk about manifestation & importance of nurturing your inner child. As we grow up, we always think that we should start being serious in life just because we are adults. But we should always remember that inner child in us, so have fun and believe in magic - protect the child in you. Vanessa Hudgens is an American actress, singer, entrepreneur, and producer. After making her feature film debut in Thirteen, she rose to fame portraying Gabriella Montez in the High School Musical film series, which brought her significant mainstream success. Since the release of her studio albums and the High School Musical franchise, Vanessa has focused on her acting career. She has appeared in films like Bandslam, Beastly, Sucker Punch, Journey 2: The Mysterious Island, Spring Breakers, The Princess Switch, Second Act, and Bad Boys for Life. She also launched her beverage business, Caliwater, a line of cactus water, and her own skincare brand, Know Beauty.Want to be a Jay Shetty Certified Life Coach? Get the Digital Guide and Workbook from Jay Shetty https://jayshettypurpose.com/fb-getting-started-as-a-life-coach-podcast/What We Discuss:00:00 Intro05:12 How she discovered ZenZone08:18 Spirituality & mindfulness has always been a part of her life13:15 Importance of having & nurturing your inner child15:23 How she navigated a very tough industry17:35 Experience that gave her a sense of groundedness19:56 Witchcraft and rituals22:35 How rituals & manifestations work for her25:29 Identifying if you are with the right person28:35 Importance of asking the uncomfortable questions31:24 Good things come when you least expect them35:18 Having the confidence on doing things alone40:17 How she remains present43:08 Her passion for collaborating with people46:24 Her creative & intuitive works50:12 How she balances & prioritizes different things in life56:21 Vanessa’s Final FiveEpisode ResourcesVanessa Hudgens | InstagramVanessa Hudgens | TwitterVanessa Hudgens | FacebookSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What do a flirtatious gambling double agent in World War II? An opera singer who burned down an honorary to kidnap her lover, and a pirate queen who walked free with all of her spoils, haven't comment. They're all real women who were left out of your history books. You can hear these stories and more on the Womanica podcast. Check it out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen. I'm Jay Shetty and on my podcast on purpose, I've had the honor to sit down with some of the most incredible hearts and minds on the planet. Oprah, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Hart,

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or wherever you listen to podcasts. It's taken so many years of like reflection and growth and like doing all the uncomfortable work to shape me into the person that I am. And I look back and I'm like, I'm so grateful for all of it, but like by leaning in and like not putting them into like a storage unit in my mind, but like actually processing them and like growing and evolving from it has allowed me to like have confidence in myself because I'm just like I know that I'm enough. that I'm enough. Hey everyone, welcome back to on purpose the number one health podcast in the world thanks

to each and every one of you that come back every week to listen, learn and grow. Now you know that I love sitting down with friends, people that I've connected with, people that I share space and energy with on this podcast, but sometimes something funny happens. I have a guest on who I feel I know, I've connected them with them several times, digitally, virtually, but never physically, and then finally, when I get to experience their energy in person, I just go, yeah,

this is my kind of person. And today's guest is someone that feels just like that. Her name, of course, is Vanessa Huggins, an American actress, singer, entrepreneur, and producer. After making her feature film debut in 13, she rose to fame portraying Gabrielle Montez in the high school musical film series, which brought her significant mainstream success. Since the release of her studio albums and the high school musical franchise, Vanessa has focused on her acting career. She's appeared in films like Banslam, Beesley, Sucker Punch, Journey 2, The Mysterious Island, Spring Breakers, The Princess Switch, Second Act, and Bad Boys for Life. She also launched her beverage business, Cali water, a line of cactus water,

and her own skincare brand, No Beauty. Welcome to the show, my dear friend and becoming a deeper friend, Vanessa Huggins, and our beautiful dollar. Thank you all for me and both, Arla. You're so good at this. Wow. No, I just, I meant all of it.

You know, I actually grew up watching high school musical because of my sister. Okay. So I have a sister that's four and a half years younger than me. Yeah. She loves you, loves high school musical. So I watched it through her lens. Yeah, I love that.

And a connecting thing for the two of you. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And then obviously we connected through Joe and Ozzyn's own. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And then obviously we connected through Joe and our Zen Zone. Yeah, which is so funny. Which is just amazing what Joe started and built. It's so incredible. I'm like, if it wasn't for that, I never would have met Cole. I know. Yes. And then I'm like, Hallelujah. So you are officially giving me a Joe the credit net. Yes, completely, actually. It wouldn't be a thing if it wasn't for you guys.

For Joe, for Joe, you can take all the credit, you deserve it. Dala, I just do wanna acknowledge you are the first ever dog to appear on a purpose. She jumped up here and seated herself like a human. I know, I'm so grateful she's here. She's such a beautiful energy to him. I know. She's a little lady.

I was told that she was a friend's girl in a past life. Oh, that's very cool. I know. Well, this is a thing, Vanessa, that you know, I think when people view you from afar, of course, you have this amazing career. You do an incredible job, whether you're hosting, whether you're acting, whether you're acting, whether

you're strong. I thought you were awesome in bad boys for life. Thank you. I love the movie, of course, you know, just how you're rolled and those characters evolved into the franchise was amazing. You're doing so many incredible things with Cali water and I know we've got so many other things to talk about. But I think for me, what got me deeply intrigued in you and wanting this conversation with you

is the conversations we had through ZenZone. And so for those of you who don't know what ZenZone is, this is something that Joe Jonas had the idea for at the beginning of the pandemic. And you can tell me how you heard about it. Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you myself. So Joe reached out to me and he said to me that we did this meditation as part of a charity event

for the We Foundation. And I was asked to teach meditation. Me and Joe had never met before. We were on this live. I lead this meditation and Joe said he had a great time. We got introduced to over text. He texted me and said, hey, we're getting together.

My friends decided it's the pandemic. I'd love for you to teach a meditation. I was like, sure. I thought we'd do it once. We've now done it every week for 75 weeks. We've had a bit of a hiatus for the last couple of months. And he would just invite his friends and I hadn't even met him, let alone everyone. That's where I met you.

And for anyone who doesn't know, I lead a meditation, but then I open it out to a beautiful group of people to reflect, share their insights, and we did this every week during the pandemic. And when you'd come on and you'd talk and share your reflection, I was just like, I had no idea that Vanessa had this like intentional, mindful practice in her life. And I was so, that was so endearing and intriguing, but tell us about how you disarm a Zen zone. Yeah, me and Alexandra Ship were both working on Tick-Tick Boom. Yes.

And we like had the rehearsal space, and then we had to shut down production because of COVID and locking down and everything. And when we finally got back to it, it was in September, like pre-vaccine. So we were in like a bubble. But we, she was like, I've been doing this meditation. I think that you would really enjoy it. And I'm like, so down, love a meditation. And I got on there. And I was just like, oh my god, this is so beautiful. And your meditation that you led was so, so like grounding and centering and just like fulfilling for my soul. And I was like, oh my god, this is amazing. And then

I remember I got added to the group chat. And then we got sent the zoom for the next zoom. Everyone sending confirmations of themself, like Joe's sending one, Wilmer sends one, I send one, and then I thought someone was making a joke by sending a baseball player sliding onto and I remember saying Cole and just being like, who is that? And she was like, I don't know. And then like he smiled and then I was like, who is that? She's like, I don't know. I found like his name and then like found him on Instagram and sent follow and then I was like, oh, he's the baseball player.

Flarey. Ha, laryous. Well, I already shot my shot. So he knows. And then later I come to find out that he was watching me hit Alex. And he was like, there's either something on my face or this girl hates me or like, I don't know, but he could see me.

Because it's like that meditation. Everyone's sitting in so still. And I'm here slapping Alexpping Alex, losing my mind. But it's been so beautiful. I love the practice so much and it's so nice having you there, leading the charge and just feeling so safe in this space to reflect and to hear how different things affects each other and like listening to each other and the reflection is so conducive to growth. So it's just like been so beautiful.

I'm so grateful of it. You're genuinely so kind. I really appreciate those beautiful words, but I find it fascinating that this beautiful relationship for you as a whole, we'll talk about that. But I'm surprised we haven't yet had one. So Joe also comes up with funny Zen names for every episode. So I think we've had Zendaya. We've had, I mean there's so

many I'll have to look through, but we haven't had a Vanessa Hudson. We haven't done that. We haven't done that yet. I'll have to throw that out to him as an option for the next one. That's hilarious. It hasn't done that yet. No. But when I heard your reflections, I was like, okay, Vanessa's been in this space for a long time. Like spirituality, whatever you call it, and I love to hear it through your language, I was like, oh, she's an evolved being.

This is something she has invested in for many years before this. This is not her first meditation. This is part of her life. When did any of these ideas get introduced to you and how do they exist in your world? I'm genuinely fascinated. Is that anything I know?

Yeah, I mean, I feel like I've always been a meditative person. I remember, I used to live in San Diego and my parents would drive me up to LA all the time for auditions. And it's a long drive, and I was like, three and a half hours, and I'm young. I'm probably like eight years old, nine years old. And I remember one time just sitting with the window down, like feeling the breeze on my face,

just like clear mine, staring staring out and my dad being like what are you thinking about? And I was like literally nothing. And then I think that as I got older that moment for some reason would come back to me and I was like oh man like am I stupid? Like does that mean that I have nothing going on in my mind? And then as I continued to evolve, the more that I realized that was a state of Zen, a state of peace, and like meditation practice is something that has naturally just like come for me. I feel like I started actually getting introduced to it when I was probably 16, I was in Brazil. This was like after high school musical had come out and me and Zac Efron were dating. And we went to this island, like in Brazil

somewhere and it was a magazine. And they were like, we can offer you yoga classes if you want. And I was like, I've never done that. Like, I'd love to try and always down to try new things. And I remember it was like outside under this canopy of trees. And it was like the first time that I feel like I had a mindful practice where I was like aware of what I was actually doing. And I just became hooked.

I remember I was like straight off the bat. I was like, I think I need to become a yoga instructor. I think that's just something that I was actually doing. And I just became hooked. I remember I was like straight off the bat. I was like, I think I need to become a yoga instructor. I think that's just something that I need to do. One yoga class, literally. I was like, I'm sold. And then I think that really led to mindfulness and practice. And then when did meditation actually come into play?

Honestly, probably Deepak Chopra? I feel like, yeah, I feel like I came across an audio something of his on meditations, and I remember doing that and just being like, oh wow, there's like so much here and like noticing how it affected my everyday life and just my state of mind. And yeah, it's like, I feel like the sit down to actually meditate doesn't fully happen that often, which is why I love our Zen Zen, because I could give you a reason to actually do it.

But the state of mindfulness, I think, is something that is carried into so many different aspects of spirituality. And spirituality itself has been such an evolving journey for me. I mean, I remember I was held as I was filming journey to the mysterious island. And I was on the big island where they shot Jurassic Park. And so it's just like beautiful rolling mountains. It's like stunning. And I remember thinking to myself, like, oh, like I am spiritual

because I don't can't relate anymore to religion practices that were instilled with me as a child. But I feel so much. And I know that I'm a part of something bigger and I feel like vibration of the land and I just feel connected to spirit. And then that itself has evolved so much. And like, I feel like I'm back at that place where I'm like, I am very, very spiritual. I take time to connect to my spirit, but also spirit around me.

And I make sure I take time to connect to nature. And I give praise when magic happens because it happens all the time. And I feel like it's so important to acknowledge it and to give it gratitude, because then it starts coming into your life so much more. It's really insane when you start acknowledging them, how it's an abundance of magic.

Wow. Wow, that's contagious. I'm literally hearing you say that. And I'm like, that is so infectious. It's just, it's so true though. And like, it's so beautiful because then you're filling your life with like this, these moments of wonder. And like, I think that's so important as an adult

because as children, we have that all the time. But like, as you grow up, you kind of forget how important it is to have that. I'm like such a big kid. Yeah. That like, she's always loved child at heart. But like, wonderment, I think is something that's so important for the soul.

I couldn't agree more. I love that. And I think it's, when I think about wonder and child likeness, it's the same as what I feel my wife's brought back into my life. I love that. And I felt for so long I started to take life too seriously or I was very I was very focused and yeah, man needs a go woman to bring him back I'm so

Thousand percent and my wife has just bought this like childlike energy back in my life And it's something you have to protect totally. I feel like the childlike energy something you have to nurture and protect in yourself, in the people you love. Totally. I mean, even your inner child. Like, I remember that being like a big, big wake-up moment for me. I think it was in like Larry Moss's acting classes. I was doing like one of his intensive workshops and he talks about how important it is to nurture your inner child. Because we all have that. We all have that little boy or girl inside of us that's kind of scared at times, but is so exploitive and has wonderment,

but you have to nurture that. If you don't, it gets neglected. And you can't neglect your inner child. Definitely, no, definitely. I mean, do you think that's what's, I mean, for yourself, like you've been in the industry a long time now, since you're extremely young. And I feel like you've been great at like navigating it

with grace and pivoting and figuring things out. And obviously from the time we've been getting to know each other through ZenZone and even today, I can tell that there's so much thoughtfulness and so much clarity for you. Do you think that nurturing that inner child is what has helped you navigate a very tough industry or what has that been?

What has- I feel like that's definitely part of it. For sure. What has that been? What has- I feel like that's definitely part of it, for sure, because it allows me to stay extraordinarily passionate about my loves, which is like everything, like in my work, and in my life,

and in the way I spend my time. But I think the thing that honestly has kept me going is accepting change and evolving and knowing that evolution is like a positive thing and leaning into the scary, scary things that could hurt me and just constantly reevaluating what it is to be a human in this experience. And who do I want to be?

Because that's genuinely a choice. We have so many choices every single day on how we build our character, how we present ourselves to the world. And I feel like I've had multiple moments where I've had to really look at myself and reassess and say, what kind of woman do I want to be? And who am I truly? What is my core? What are my values? And I feel like it's just allowed me to feel really confident and strong in who I am as a person,

because I think that that's where a lot of people have difficulties in Hollywood, because you end up like morphing into different people, because it's a tough grind. But it is, because people morph into the roles they play. Totally. They morph into the role they have to play and portray. Exactly.

Totally. They morph into the role that they're manager or they're agent, things they need to be. Yeah. Or the person who came before them that they're trying to be like. Totally. So there's all these identities. Totally.

Yeah, you're trying to morph into that it's hard to remember your own, I guess. What was a formative experience at younger age that you think has given you a sense of groundedness as you've gone on? Were there any formative experiences as you grew at any point in your childhood or early teenagers?

I, I don't know why, I don't know what this is like. Oh, go at all relevant. The best is the best. The best is the best. I was the kid that loved playing in the dirt. You know, I was always the kid that was in the garden, grabbing pieces of plants and smushing them together and having the flowers and doing little collages in the dirt. Like I've always like been, I feel like I've always felt very connected to earth.

And I look back at it now and I'm just like it's so funny because now I'm, I like love practicing like witchcraft and having rituals rituals and playing and being a part of Earth and connecting with it is such a big part of it. And I'm just like, oh wow, she was always there. She was always there. She was always playing in the dark. But yeah, I feel like I also was raised in a way where my parents didn't have a lot.

My dad was a firefighter. My mom was from the Philippines, came out to the stage when she was 24 with my dad. And it was like the first man she'd ever even been with. Like first guy she ever kissed. Like crazy. But I was raised very modestly. So I think that like that definitely shaped me into who I am

because I'm very mindful about like where I spent my money and like what I'm doing with it. But it also makes me work harder and want to do the work myself. Do the dirty work. A, I was bringing the back of the dirt. I love it. Yeah, because that's just my character. That's how I was raised. Yeah, that's beautiful to hear. And I'm gonna ask you now to define what witchcraft is

for those who may not be aware. And those rituals, because I think as you say those words, I'd love for you to extrapolate them. Because I've seen you post when you get new tattoos. Yeah. And it's cool, but I'd love for you to explain that. Totally. To those that are not.

I think being a witch genuinely is so many different things for each person. To me, it's a mindfulness, for sure. It's connecting to your elements. It's about understanding the fact that everything is energetic and we can push and pull things. If we set our mind to it and ask for it, it's a lot of manifesting in which I love. And rituals are like, I love like a full moon ritual where I'll like sage my space and like cleanse my energy and my aura and then like ask my angels and my ancestors and my spirit guides to be there with me and to

help carry out my message. And then like honestly writing things down on some bay leaves and burning on the... is really exciting because it burns and like it them. It's really exciting, because it burns, and it really catches flame. It feels magical. But it's connecting to earth and to spirit and tapping in, because I feel like you really can. I'm Mungaisha Tikular, and to be honest, I don't believe in astrology, but from the moment I was born, it's been a part of my life. In India, it's like smoking. You might

not smoke, but you're going to get secondhand astrology. And lately, I've been wondering if the universe has been trying to tell me to stop running and pay attention. Because maybe there is magic in the stars, if you're willing to look for it. So I rounded up some friends and we dove in and let me tell you, it got weird fast. Tantric curses, major league baseball teams, cancelled marriages, K-pop! But just when I thought I had a handle on this sweet and curious show about astrology, my whole world can crash down. Situation doesn't look good.

There is risk to father. And my whole view on astrology, it changed. Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, I think your ideas are gonna change too. Listen to Skyline Drive and the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Debbie Brown.

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I don't spend as much time thinking about how I'm gonna die alone when I'm traveling But I get to travel with someone I love. Oh see we love I love you too And also we get to eat is what he said here. I love you too Mike's a lot of therapy goes behind that So white I love it. Listen to not lost on the iHeart radio app or wherever you get your podcasts Yeah, I mean I love hearing that because I think when people hear the word witchcraft, or witches, we have a very dated view of what that is.

Yes, stigmatized view, where you hear a witch and like people are like burner at the state. Exactly, and I grew up in London where one of the attractions to visit as a tourist was the London Dungeons. And so you'd go to see these London Dungeons and they would show you how women and many women who are wrongly accused of being witches and of course witches in the stigmatized or the

negative sense that you've seen portrayed in movies and things like that and you'd see how they'd be burned and the kind of dungeons that they had to stay in and the states they had to stay in and now obviously when you say the word you're looking at it from like the good witch, like, you know, like the witch in manifestation. Yeah, exactly. A joy and kindness. And that's like that's the modern witch. Yes. Yes. And redefining that word is so important because language I think today is so much of the reason we have disagreement. 100%. I want to read what we don't understand each other.

Yeah. And when you start explaining what a witch is, I'm like, yeah, that's like, what's the witch in, uh, blender? Yes, exactly. That's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah, yeah, you read my mind. That's it. And I was like, yeah, she was a witch and she's called a witch in the movie.

She is. But when you think about it, the witch you remember is not her, right? No, we know. And so it's so fascinating when you think about it from that way, what if, I love those rituals you just walked us through. When you're doing those rituals or when you've built those practices up,

what has given you strength to believe that they have an impact? Is it something you feel? Is it something you've heard? Is it a connection? Like how do you go, yes, this works for me, this matters in my life. I feel like it's such an intuitive thing.

Yes. And like I said, I was the little girl playing in the dirt. Yes. Mushing up herbs. And it does. It feels really grounding and connecting to me. And like, I've manifested for years. And like, if you're very clear and intentional

on what you want, you have a much better chance at getting it. Can you tell us a manifestation story of can you tell us one that you feel as well sharing that you. Yeah, I mean like even like Cole like I was very clear, very intentional about what it is exactly. Tell us what you're additional. I would have. It's like, I was like, I want someone who, oh man, I wish I had, I literally have like a list. Okay.

It was, I want someone who loves themself wholeheartedly. Someone who understands the importance of like having a good time, someone who has like the right priorities in life, you know, like has the same fundamentals as me, which is like, you live, you don't, what is it? You don't live to work, no, you don't live to work, you work to live. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like someone who understands like the importance of life outside of work. There's a whole list. But literally when I met Cole, I was like, you literally check all my boxes. What I love about your list though, and that's why I asked you,

because I expected that you list. That is the most mature, refined list I have ever heard of. Because most lists do not go that deep. That is a very genuinely, and I'm not saying this to flatter you at all, I'm genuinely saying it because I hear a lot of lists in my coaching work and when I'm with clients and over the years people that I've worked with and lists those are all like incredible attributes which show yourself awareness of who you are and what you need in your life. But they're also not so specifically defined that it's kind of very difficult that that exists

if that that exists. Totally, totally. If that makes sense. It's not like I want this and I want that and he should have this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's not stuff about he should have. No, no, no, no. It's about his mindset and his belief system.

Exactly. Walk us through it. How do you assess and assess is the wrong word because in a relationship, you're not assessing someone. How do you engage with someone in a way to know that those things exist within them? And I'm asking you this for yourself because I find that sometimes people may make a list or they have a list. And first of all, I would like to remind anyone, if you are going to make a list, think about the Ness' list and just think about how I'm

trying to find the right word to define your list. I would say that it is extremely mindset based and it's extremely an approach to life. Yeah, exactly. You're looking with someone who has a specific approach to life. Exactly. Yeah. It's not that they have a specific life. That's very true. Yeah. Yeah. Does that make sense? 100%. And so how did you, you know, ascertain that Cole had some of these things because I think what often happens is when we get attracted to someone or we feel a sense of infatuation or we feel some chemistry or a spark with someone, often that ability to ascertain whether we're really going to be a good match goes out the window.

How are you able to hold both? Because I think we be a good match goes out the window. Totally. How are you able to hold both? Because I think we do need attraction and chemistry. Of course we do. Oh yeah, 100%. But at the same time, you're saying, well, I was able to assess that he does have certain trends. Yeah.

I mean, I was in an eight year long relationship before him. So after that, I was like, okay, we're getting serious. Like we are going to make a list of things that I need, like genuinely, like not one, but actually need. And with some of it, it was being very straightforward with like my questions as to like how he goes about life. And then in other ways, it was just like really observing him and like genuinely his approach to life.

Like he has like an infectious spirit. And I'm like, that is something that is so beautiful and so wonderful. And I'm like, I see myself in that as well. But like, we just like had the same the same spirit and I think that like straight off the bat I was very forthright with like what it is that I want in a relationship and like I was like cool so you're down you you're into those things as well love that. But like just being very straight forward like you plan on getting

married one day like you plan on getting married one day, like you plan on having kids, you like kids, watch your relationship with your parents, like watch your relationship with your friends. How do you enjoy your work? Like everything, just like diving in, because like if you don't, like those things get lost in the shuffle and then you end up investing time

on people that you shun in. Is that date one? That was it. I might have been date two. It might have been date two. I am so happy hearing you say that. And I just want everyone to know that while we're having this conversation, I do not know this story in depth, the way Vanessa is explaining it.

So this is also my first reaction to it. I am so happy hearing you say that. Like it gives me so much assurance and confidence in what I hope people will do to find love in their life. Yeah. I did the same with Radee. We had the same conversations. We talked about children. We talked about our values.

We talked about our beliefs. We talked about expectations. Yeah. I was very clear with Radee of the man that I think I am and the man that I didn't want to be. I was clear about what my aspirations and priorities were. Totally. And what I wouldn't be able to prioritize. I was clear about what my aspirations and priorities were and what I wouldn't be able to prioritize. Exactly. And it was uncomfortable to say those things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, maybe this person's gonna run away. Totally.

When they hear what I'm actually like. Yeah. But then if they stay. Exactly. Then they actually signed on for that. And it's like you give like my my sister actually does a podcast as well. And I was like listening to it the other day And she was like it's so important to like tell your friends or your partner if something's bothering you Because then you give them the opportunity to adjust like otherwise they don't know yeah shout out What's up? Crazy that's crazy. Okay listen to that episode. What was the episode about? That's crazy. That's crazy, okay, listen to that episode.

What was the episode about? Is it about this? What was that one about? Just like friends and like, you know, feeling, Fulmo, it was Fulmo. Right, right, yeah. No, because it's also just like, I know that we got a message.

I think you sent it to my team saying, can I bring Dala today? Yeah. And I love that you said that, and I'm so glad she came. Because I would've been so sad if I, as a friend, it's like if you felt that, but then you didn't tell me. Yeah, totally.

Like, if I didn't know. And then like, you just gotta know, like, and I'm so happy she's here, and I'm so happy to meet her. And when you told me the reason you, like, I've been traveling and I haven't seen her for, I'm like, that is so beautiful. Like, why would you not?

But we're so scared of showing that side of ourselves to someone of being like, this is so beautiful. Like, why would you not, but we're so, we're so scared. Yeah. Of showing that side of ourselves to someone of being like, this is what I need, or just what I want. And like honoring our truth. Yes. I think like, it's so easy to disregard our truths.

When you like have thought, and you're like, oh, like, I wish that this would happen. And like, but no, like, it shouldn't matter. Like, it's, it's okay. It's fine. I don't really care. And like, you don't honor your truth. And so I feel like it's something that you have to be actually mindful about.

And to like, really listen to your intuition and like, your inner voice, your inner child. Like, you really have to like honor all of yourself. Because if you're not, then you're suppressing yourself. And then it's gonna seem okay for someone else to suppress you because you're doing it to yourself. suppressing yourself, and then it's gonna seem okay for someone else to suppress you because you're doing it to yourself. Yes, wow, that's so true.

Yeah. That is so true. And then that's just like a toxic, toxic, start to talk, toxic. That's it, and that's the point, right? It's like, if you plant a toxic seed, exactly. That's what's gonna grow.

Yes. And it's really hard to then switch to a rose bush, or to grow a beautiful tree or plant or whatever it is. Like, I wonder then, how do you then navigate? Obviously, when you do that, when you are like, well, here's what I'm looking for, and here's what's important to me. How do you then navigate it

when you don't necessarily align or agree? How do you dealt with that? Because I think that's another healthy thing to think about. I think we often have this romantic view of manifestation. Totally. And I don't think that's what you're suggesting. But I think a lot of you have this romantic view that when you're clear,

you get exactly what you want the way you want it. I don't think that's what you're saying. No, no, no, no, no. That's definitely not the case as well. Like, I think that like everything does come back, not always in the way that you expect it to. Exactly. Not always in the way that you expect it to, not always at the time that you want it to, but it always dies in one form of the other.

And I truly believe that. And I see that happening, because sometimes I'll ask for something, and I'm like, oh my gosh, that's so funny, that's not how I expected it to come. Like, you know, like, I just on our Zoom, like finding love on Zoom. On a little, finding love on Zoom. A finding love on Zoom on a tiny, literally, like, screen.

Not at all when I was expecting at all, but it's the best thing that's ever happened to me. So I feel like it always comes back around, but the mindfulness is so important. Yeah, I love hearing about it and I can't wait to see you both together and I can't wait to finally hang out with Carl. Who by the way, for anyone who doesn't know,

he'll join the meditation when he's like on the field. Like he'll be like in the stands. He'll be, you know, walking to a game. Like he'll be driving to get whatever it is and he's always on and I think there's so much to be said for that as well to find people in places of similar values. 100%. I've always been a great encourager of that is that you're going to find people when you're doing

things that you're both passionate about and you're not going there to date. It's so funny. I literally was on the phone with my friend Vince this morning and I was thinking about it and I was like, it's so funny because I literally was on the phone with my friend Vince this morning and I was thinking about it and I was like it's so funny because I feel like all my best relationships have like such an interesting like story as to how we met like my friend Vince who I was on the phone with. We met in a yoga class. Wow. And he's like one of my best friends. My other best friend, Gigi, we met like in Bali because I was with there with Oakley doing a surf thing, even though I'm not a surfer, but I'm like, you know, I'm all about trying new things and having new experiences, because I feel like it builds character, and it's also just a great time.

But it was like one of those moments as well, and then me and Gigi sat across from each other at the table, and we locked eyes, and we were like, I see you. I see you in a way that's like different like my soul sees you. And like it's just so many of my relationships. I'm like it's just so funny how like you put yourself into the right place in a place of love and you will attract it. Yeah definitely. And this is Gigi you do workouts with right? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. We got a lot of things together. We got a lot of things in the work during quarantine. We really put our minds together. And we're like, let's be creative.

Let's keep the ball rolling. And we developed an animated show. We developed a reality show for ourselves. We wrote a feature with our friend. And we were just like, yeah. That's amazing. I know, but all because we sat across from each other in Bali. That's incredible.

I love that that's a recurring pattern in your life. Oh, completely. That the deepest relationships you have, whether it's Vince or Gigi, as you said, are now called that. They've come from these places where you weren't looking for that. Yeah. And so I think we often hear this idea of like, you don't have to look for love.

And that's not what we're saying. What we're saying is that you often find it in a place of mutual value. When you're loving yourself and honoring yourself. Yeah, that's the key. Yeah. And so much happens when you spend time in places of purpose. Totally.

Like I feel like when you're going there for a purpose-based region, you're more likely to have this synergy happen. Oh my gosh the amount of stuff that happened to me when I went to Paris for Fashion Week on my own was like, I just want, I felt like I had tea from for months. But like it was just so cool because I'm like Paris Fashion Week is something that I wanted to go to for a long time. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to go on my own because it'll really like put me in there. And I love that. I love those solo moments where I'm just like out there

in the wilderness on my own. And like you meet people and like connect with people and I'm like some of my favorite memories that I've had like have been because I've gone places on my own. Wow, what's giving you that? I love hearing that because I'm the kind of person. So, Rade has been away for three months and we haven't seen each other. Wow! Oh my God, I hate this so much. And she's coming back in a month and I miss it.

So, it will be four months since we've seen each other. And I cannot wait, I'm about to throw her apart. You know, when she comes back and like, for a long, like, you know, we're gonna go away and all the rest of it, catch up and make up for it last time. But I find that I'm the kind of person that will take myself out for a three-course meal

and I go away and go out or whatever it is. What has given you the confidence in doing things alone because I think that is such a healthy habit. Totally. I'm not saying that people should spend all the time learning No, no, no. But how have you developed that habit? Is it just by practice?

Is it just by throwing yourself out there or now it sounds like it's something you intentionally do like Paris Fashion Week? Yeah. I'm sure you could have taken anyone you wanted to take, but you went on your own. Yeah. But you went on your own. Yeah, I feel like my first solo trip was when I was like, it was right after I did a stint of like really heavy, emotionally demanding movies. I think Gimme Shelter was the last one of that.

And I came home and I like genuinely did not know who Vanessa was. I had like gotten so off on becoming this other person and like genuinely changed my mindset the way that I looked. I put on like 20 pounds, cut off all my hair, like All the things that made me me were not there anymore. And I was like, I need to do something because I'm scared. Because I don't know who I am. And I was like, okay, we're gonna go on a yoga retreat. My publicist at the time was like,

either there's this retreat, they're doing it the four seasons. It was like a practice and I was like, okay, I'm just gonna like go on my own because that scares me and I was very much in that place of like, do the things that scare you because you will evolve, like you're forced to. And I was like, you know, like a yoga retreat in Hawaii, like that gives me an excuse to be in Hawaii. But I'll also like have something to do and like know that I'll be around people because like filming as well as an adult, like when

I hit 18, I would go off to film things all the time and I would be on my own. And so like if I wanted to go to dinner, like a lot of times I would just go by myself and like bring a book and like I definitely would have those moments where I'm like looking around, like kinda trying to like lock eyes and engage with anyone. Yeah.

Preferably would sit at the bar so I could like talk to the bartender because like I love people. Like I love, I love just like talking to people. Yeah, but you start using a different part of your brain when you do that. Like you start using a different part of your energy where it's like, oh, I'm going to see if I can make something out of nothing.

Yeah, exactly. That's what I said that you lose as we get older because most of your life is thrown about the same people, same work people, same life people. And so like when you're like, oh, I'm trying to talk to the bartender or I'm trying to lock even the idea of locking eyes with someone random. Oh my god. It's like, yeah, but it's like. Favorite thing, I literally will be driving

and will turn and just look at people if I'm stopped at a red light and try to dance with people. The other day, this guy was listening to a song we had our windows down, he had his windows down. I mean, my girlfriend was just like, body well, and just like, I was locking eyes trying to make this person laugh.

I love that. But the trip, the yoga retreat and Hawaii ended up just being so freeing. Because I was just like, okay, I'm here on my own. I'm just going to talk to people that I connect with and go from there. And genuinely forced me to stay as present as possible. Because I was engaging with people I know nothing about. I feel like that's the thing I love about talking to people that you don't know.

Like you're forced to be present because it's like if you're actually trying to engage, which not everybody does. Mm-hmm, yeah. But then those are the people you don't need to engage with. But when you find people who you can, like you're so present, because you're actually listening.

What I love about hearing about your life, that I'm learning about you today by being present with you, is just, you are very present because you have all these beautiful memories. And I find like, these are not ideas in your life, or they're not like, just concepts that you intellectually understand. It's like, I feel like your whole life is an experience. Like you're like, oh, I went to fashion week

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or as little space as I want. And knowing that I have that choice, I've always been a very present person and I think that I've positioned myself now. Like it's taken so many years of like reflection and growth and like doing all the uncomfortable work to shape me into the person that I am. And I look back and I'm like,

I'm so grateful for all of it. So grateful for all the icky times because there's a lot of icky times in life. But by leaning in and not putting them into a storage unit in my mind, but actually processing them and growing and evolving from it has allowed me to have confidence in myself because I'm just like, I know that I'm enough. And I'm like, I know that my point

on life is beautiful and I know that what I want to contribute to people and to the world is beautiful. And so I'm like, it's all good. It's all good. And that's the thing, right? Like when you make sense of your inner world on your own. Yeah, totally. That's where it has to click. 100% because if it clicks for me,

then it's okay if it doesn't click for everybody, but I know that I'm locked in. Yeah, if you know, I always say to people, if you have a decision or a choice you want to make, and if you know why you're doing it, and you're clear on that, it will not bother you if other people don't understand. Exactly. But if you don't know why you're doing it,

then it's just like, and that's what I'm hearing from you, it's that that inner click has fit for you. And it sounds like during the pandemic, you were extremely innovative, collaborative, seemed like you were doing a lot of cool stuff. We both shared this in common. We both launched a different type of beverage line during the pandemic.

And afterwards, you launched Caliwater, which is amazing. And I wanna hear about, just when I first went and I was like, cactus, what else? Like, that is so unique. Like, it is so different. I didn't even know, and then this was gonna sound really silly, but I was like, I didn't even know you could get cactus water. Yeah, I know, totally.

And I have cactus in my house, so I'm like, I have no idea. Like, if I cut you, can I drink you? Yeah, exactly. But we'll go through some of the, and that's one of them. I'm like, I had no idea. Like if I cut you, can I drink you? Yeah, exactly. But walk us through some of the, and that's one of them, I'm sure there's plenty of others, but where did those ideas and innovations start? Because that requires such a different mindset. And it sounds like you had this space

to be innovative and creative. You said you were doing what Krojiji, but you also doing this. I love a collaboration. I live for a collaboration because I'm like, I know what I can bring to the table and then you collaborate with people who knows what they can bring to the table

and it's like, you guys have fun doing it together? Yeah, okay, go. And that's literally how I feel like all my business ventures have been. With Kali Water, it was our friend Oliver Tremina. Yes, shut up, Oliver. Yeah, who is my business partner? And like, he came to me and he was like,

we need to like do something together. And he was like, we could do like beverages. And he's like, there's like cactus. There's a lot, there's something there. And like, I went to New Mexico on a road trip and was drinking prickly pear margaritas and I was like, what is this heavenly nectar? And like, why do I know nothing about it?

And then started researching what prickly pear is and then realized all the health benefits. And then, you know, like, we're like, okay, cool. So, like, that's like a thing. There's something there. And then, like, him taking the reins and putting together an incredible team to like put together this drink

and like bring it to life. And then like me doing like the creative and like the tasting. And I'm like, nah, it's a little off. Like I need something more of this. Like maybe a little more monk furlough. Like, you know, like something. And I'm not monk furloughed by the you know, like something. I love monk furlough by the way.

I can do it too. But it's just like it's such a fun creative outlet for me that like I really enjoy, like it's so stimulating to me and exciting and it's just like really cool being able to be passionate about something and then like sharing that passion with the masses. Yeah, yeah, it's awesome. No, I highly recommend everyone grab some because I just love seeing people find multiple ways to express themselves. 100%.

And not being scared and not feeling limited by like, oh, I'm an actress. I should be that. Or like, I'm a this. Yeah. I'm like, but we're all just creative artists individuals. And when we can just paint through every single color and every single brush, there's nothing wrong with that. And I think it should be encouraged more. And I think often we feel limited and restricted by what we think people will think and what they will sell. Yeah, literally. And we start realizing that we just have to color more

and paint more and get out there more. Is there something you do to tap into more creativity or innovation? Is there any habits or any rituals you have or is that also same connected with doing the intuitive work? It's literally all intuitive, I feel. And it's the magic thing, I think, that when I'm doing things that I'm inspired to do and I honor those inspirations, the thrill and the fulfillment that comes along with it is like, what I imagine is like to have kids. You know? It's like because you're putting such a vulnerable piece of uniquely you into something and then sharing it.

So it's such a vulnerable thing. Like I came up with a reality show for me and Gigi and I'm like, it's so funny because I, like 15 years ago, would be like, I would never do a reality show. I'm a serious actress. But this Like, I am a serious actress. But this show, I came up with, like, I birthed it from my mind, and I was just like, this is something that I love, and like, would love to do, because I feel like it would be hilarious,

and it's a great time. But I'm so excited. You guys have a really funny T.I.S. video. Yeah, we're hysterical. I'm like, we have something. But also so creative and down to what we're wearing in our show and who we're partnered with. And just putting on the business hat,

it's really exciting. I'm like, she's a woman. She's making moves. Just because I'm like leaning into my interest and like honoring the ideas that I have rather than like pushing them down. And the show's happening. You know what?

You're making it happen, you're making it happen, yeah. We're waiting, we're waiting on someone at the moment. It takes time. But like it's been so exciting because we've like, literally gotten so many of our ducks in the row where we're like, this would be the dream and then like, it's falling into place and like. I love that.

It's just so nice because I'm doing it all like with people that I love. Yeah, I love hearing about ideas when they're being formed. Yeah. Because it's special. Like, we usually hear about like, oh, we just made the show and it's out. And then it's like, but this is the part

that's so interesting because it's like, well, we did this and now we did this and we're waiting for this and we're it's out. And then it's like, but this is the part that's so interesting because it's like, well, we did this and now we did this and we're waiting for this and we're figuring this out. And I'm hoping that everyone who's listening or watching is hearing it going, oh, that's normal. Like, you know. Yeah.

Literally stems from an idea. Like, what if, what if, and then like building it off of there. And like, that's why I love doing things with my friends because the snowballing is so real. Yeah. Is that what it's called? Yeah. Yeah.

And it's just the best thing, because even the feature that we did, it was me, Gigi, and our friend, Asha, who has written for American Horror Story, and we love American Horror Story. And totally fits with the vibe of our idea. And she was like, you guys were like, feature, and we were like, yeah. And then we were like, we love American Wars, we're sorry. And it totally fits with the vibe of like our idea. And she was like, you guys were like, feature, and we were like, yeah.

And then we were like, okay, so what if it starts here and it's about like these four witches and like it just snowballs from there. And it's just like, it's so cool because I feel like everything that I'm doing is something that I'm like so passionate about. And like, I'm really like carving out time to like stay super engaged in everything that I'm so passionate about. And I'm really carving out time to stay super engaged in everything that I'm doing

and not just taking a back seat. Well, that's what I was gonna ask you. Like how are you? And I can see that I mean, everything we're talking about today, I can tell how passionate you are. It just comes through naturally. It's in flow, it's in your heart.

It's there. So that's so evident to me as someone who, I feel like I live a very similar life and that I do a lot of different things that I'm passionate about. How are you prioritizing making time to do all of that? What works for you? Because I'm sure there's a lot of people going, oh wow, Vanessa's doing a ton of stuff.

I mean, she has new movies coming out. She's doing this and she's building this. Like, how do you make sense of doing so many different things? And how do you balance it? Because you're still working out. You're still doing your own personal practices. How are you balancing and managing that all? I think it's about like really honoring my needs

and like having a strong priority list. I feel like right now I'm being very clear and intentional with my career. Inacting, I'm like I'm not doing anything unless like it pushes me in a new way, challenges me in a new way, or it's with people that I can work with that I like really respect. And I know will help me evolve and grow.

Otherwise, I'm like, I only want to be doing things that I'm producing. Because then I'm like, I have like a say on the story and like the way that it looks and like the way that it's shot. Like, you know, like I can be like so much more creative to like the overall outcome of the movie because a lot of times like so many things end up on the cutting room floor and like that's fine but you're like you watch it and you're like oh they went with that take interesting and you've been the osé over. Yeah that's hard, yeah it's really hard. But like I'm like as a producer I like can come in and help build out projects. And I can actually dream them up myself

and bring them to the table and find producers that I really respect and admire and use their minds to snow of all with and see how we can work together to bring it to life. And I just feel like it's so much more fulfilling for me as an actress to be able to be a part of that creative. Which is why I'm like, one day, one day I will direct because I'm like, I had something that I love so much.

And my point of view is I think not what a lot of people would think because they did like get to know me from high school musical. I'm like, my taste is like weird and it's trippy and it's a dwarf sometimes. So I'm like, that's something that I would love to eventually get to, but like, I have that aspect of my life

and then I have like the business side of things where I'm like making sure I just gone then I have like the business side of things where I'm like making sure I just gone to assistant like for the first time. Wow. Because I was like, I am too busy and I need to like honor my time and like, I need help. I was just like doing everything on my own. But so like I have her and I'm like, now I'm like, every top of the week I'm like, okay, we need to check in with these people

Um like set up calls and and we'll get it done and I'm like sure to check in with all the businesses like see what they need see where we're at Um, and then like making sure that I have my me time which is is hard because I feel like the me time also funnels into my relationship because that is what I want. I wanna be with my partner. But I'm also, my work I feel also drives my slight me time too because I'm here in LA. I'm not with him at the moment because I have things that I'm doing here and my I'm not with him at the moment because I have things that I'm doing here. And like, like, my flat-fabletics collection is coming out in April and I'm like, that is something that I like designed myself. Like, another full creativity step.

But I'm like here and I like get to talk about it. And like, I feel like, it's just so, like I said, so nice to have these things that I'm like putting a lot of myself into and being able to talk about them and like share them with others and like hopefully that connects me with other people who are like binded as well, you know? Well all I experience from you today is this abundance like there's an abundance of creativity in your life There's an abundance of expression There's also an abundance of creativity in your life. There's an abundance of expression. There's also an abundance of genuine confidence in who you are and how you show up

and everything you're doing. And I love seeing it. It's so fun. I find it so fun to observe that in someone. Yeah, totally. Because I appreciate that it's taken work and that it's not something that that person was just given. Totally.

And so, yeah, just viewing you today and observing you today, I'm like, it's amazing, it's electric to experience that through someone. Thank you. And I congratulate you for all those aspects. Oh, thank you. Because I'm sure there's lots of people listening and watching going, oh, I can be everything I wanna be.

Yeah. I can. You can. You can. It's okay. Yeah, totally. It's not, you know, we don't want to be like, I can. You can. You can. It's okay. Yeah, totally. You know, we don't have to like, we don't have to choose anymore.

No. You don't have to limit yourself. You can be everything. And that was like a big wake up call for me. It was like, no one is one thing. Yeah, no one. Like we're so allowed. And like, it should be celebrated to be

as many different things as you can be as long as they're honest and truthful and like coming from within, not from an idea of what you think you should be doing. That's it. Yeah. Vanessa, you've been so generous with your time. I'm like, I could stay here and talk forever. I mean, I can do it. I can do it. I can do it. I can do it. I was, I know you've been traveling and I've been moving around.

I know you're catching up. So I want to express to you so much gratitude from my heart for your time, your energy, turning up to the ZenZones, your friendship, your reflections in the ZenZones. Like I always feel like you'll come in and you'll open up and then everyone else feels inspired to open up some more as well. And even today, it has truly been wonderful to witness just what exudes from you. And I really appreciate

that. I appreciate you. You're very kind. Thank you. And we all do. We all do. Send us which, which energy is that? Yeah. But we and every on purpose episode with what we call the final five. These are five fast questions that have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum. Love it. You can take your time to think about them, but the answers are tired. Yeah. So the first question is, what is the best advice you've ever received or heard? In this moment of my life where I am, just honor yourself.

Mm. That's great advice. We've never had that before in the show., honor yourself. That's great advice. We've never had that before in the show. That's great advice. It's a good short sentence too. It is. It's beautiful. You're easy to remember. Yeah, it's so, because I feel like it's so easy to not

in so many different aspects. And it's like if you actually do, then like you can like live your truth. And that's what we're all trying to do, right? I love that. Question number two, what is the worst advice you've ever received to a head? No.

Hahaha. Um, like maybe always say yes. Mm. That's good. I feel like, um, saying yes can like definitely be a wonderful thing, but I think it's what you say no to that shapes you your character. That's great advice. I really like that. That's beautiful. See? She's good. I like it. Yeah. The stillness is good.

It takes effect. It does. Okay question number three. How would you define your current purpose or the current impact you're trying to have in the world and Spry joy Honestly, yeah, I feel like I have an abundance of it You do it. I like it. I can share it. That's like the most beautiful thing I can offer. I love that Yeah, that's beautiful. All right question number four. What's the first thing you do in the morning and the last thing you do at night? All right, question number four. What's the first thing you do in the morning and the last thing you do at night?

Shhh. Oh, God, I hate my answer, but if I'm gonna answer truthfully, it's probably like, well, it depends on where I am. Yes, yeah, yeah. Like, if I'm with Darla, I like just find her and like, hold her. No, I don't, yes.

Yes, have a little cuddle. And like, I think I like, I'm a big, deep breather in the morning. Get back into breath, but check my phone. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's fair. But it also depends on if I'm on my own or if I'm with Cole. Because I'm like, if I'm with him, then it's like, my first thing is like, oh, gratitude and just love. If I'm on my own, I'm just like, oh gratitude and just like love If I'm on my own, I'm just like, okay, what do we got for this?

Thank you for the honesty, but I also like the the mix of answers All right, fifth and final question if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow or One habit that everyone had to do every day. what would it be? Think before you speak. Oh wow, that was cool. That was really... I don't know if that's like the first one that pops into my mind. No, that's... It's, I feel like we all could navigate through life a bit better if we really stopped to like really think before we spoke.

And be impeccable with your word. Yes. I'm just gonna go into the four. Yes, I'm gonna go into the four. Don't marry me. Don't marry me. Great book. Yeah.

Great book changed my life. Yeah. But yeah, I feel like, I don't know, I'm such a lover and it really bums me out when people get into arguments and they say things that they don't mean because they're not thinking before they speak. And the miscommunication that comes along with it, it's heartbreaking to me. When relationships can be deeply tarnished in those moments of heightened emotion. Yeah, just because we didn't pause.

Just because we didn't pause. You're so right. I feel like relationships have ruined just because we didn't breathe. Yeah, literally. We didn't pause. We didn't take that moment of stillness to respond and not react.

And you destroy lifelong relationships because you misinterpreted a word or you misunderstood an emotion or you misconstrued a feeling. It's incredible. But also, just speak your mind. I think in balance. So the balance, yeah.

It's like the balance of it because I feel like I growing up in the industry is like, tough, this is not an answer. I just piece out one sentence. I growing up in the industry is like tough. This is not an answer. I just said one sentence, and now I'm going to be back. I'm going up in the industry is tough, and I feel like it was really easy for me to just put on my professional face,

because I was doing what I loved at such an early age. So for me, I was like, okay, this is my adult voice. This is my adult thoughts. And it was so easy for me to not just speak up. And like I said, if you're suppressing one aspect of yourself, then it dribbles into everything. And I feel in relationships through the years. I look back and I'm like, there's so many moments where I'm like,

if I just would have like spoken up and like said how I've actually felt, like so much pain and like tears could have been avoided. But like by going through that, like I now know, like how important it is to like speak up and like honor yourself because of the times that I didn't. Doesn't make it any easier.

It's still something that even I have to be like, okay, break face, we're talking about this now. I mean, genuinely have to hype myself up for. But I feel like so many women get into relationships where they're suppressing themselves. And probably men too, you know? And I'm so about like living as openly and freely and truthfully as possible, because that's where I feel like the magic sets, the creativity sets, like that's where there's an abundance

of all of it. So I think it's so important to like push yourself to get there. That is a beautiful thing to end up. Like that is such a great, like grounding message for us to try it into the world. Vanessa, as I said before, I'm so grateful for your time. I'm so grateful for your presence.

I'm so grateful for your work. I'm so grateful for your presence. I'm so grateful for your work. I'm so grateful for your presence. I'm so grateful for your presence. Just what you brought to this today for bringing dollars. I brought to this today for bringing dollars. I brought to this today for bringing dollars. I brought to this today for bringing dollars. I brought to this today for bringing dollar, having a little wonderful nut dollar. Do you have anything you'd like to say? Any message for our audience?

I love life. That's a great message. I want to thank everyone who's been listening and watching today. And what I'd love for you to do is tag Vanessa and I. When you share the messages that resonated, the magic that came through, the maybe ideas or insights that Vanessa mentioned

that you're going to try and practice and apply in your life. I love knowing what you're switching from information to action. That gives me so much joy knowing that you listen to this podcast, but then you make a shift in your life. Please tag me in Vanessa on all social media platforms to let us know what's resonating with you and what's connecting with you. Keep listening to On Purpose and please, please, please,

go and shower Vanessa with so much love. She has so much exciting stuff coming up, whether it's her new line with Fab Letix, whether it's Callie Water. She's, this is probably gonna come out later, but she hosted the pre-show at the Oscars. I'm just so excited to see what you're gonna continue to do. I'm excited for this movie.

You're gonna direct to the Fiji. I'm excited for this reality show, but more than anything, I'm really excited to deepen our friendship and connection with Cole as well, with Rade too. And I love how you show up in the world. And I'm so grateful that I get to know you. So thanks for messing up.

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