On Purpose with Jay Shetty - Willow & Jahnavi ON: How to Raise Your Frequency & Create Positive Energy with People

Episode Date: December 7, 2020

When Willow first heard Jahnavi’s music she said to herself, “this is the music I want to make.” Within a few months after they first met at a musical gathering at Jay Shetty’s home, Willow and Jahnavi decided to collaborate. The product of this collaboration, a recently released EP titled R I S E, is a beautiful mix of creative composing, devotional messaging, and inspiring melody.On this episode of On Purpose, Jay Shetty and his wife Radhi Devlukia-Shetty speak with singer, producer and actor Willow Smith and musician Jahnavi Harrison about their friendship and musical collaboration. Our musical guests talk about attracting positive people in your life and how these connections can inspire your creative practices. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And I'm here today with none other than Willow and John V to talk about their new collaborative EP Rise. Willow is a singer, songwriter, actress and record producer. She's well known for her 2010 hit single, Whip My Hair, and has appeared in several films. I'm also drawn so much of her new music today, which is absolutely phenomenal, and her album Willow is a repeated album in my car. And Janavie is a musician known for her Kyrton music and is a presenter on BBC Radio's Something Understood Program and her pause for thought. And she is a long term friend of known for over 15 years

and we have served together in so many wonderful ways. And today I'm talking with both of them about their newly released EP that they collaborated on together. Willow and Janavavi actually met through my wife and I last year when they came to our home for an event and we were doing the launch of Red Table Talk season two. And it's just turned into this beautiful family, community, and atmosphere.

So I'm so excited for this episode. So excited for you to hear it. so excited for you to hear it. ["The King of the King of the King of the This is the first time that Rady and I are going to do an interview together. So this is fun and there's a special, special reason for why we're doing it together. Because today we're interviewing two of our dearest friends, incredibly talented, the most creative, who have launched a brand new EP called Rise,

which we cannot wait for you to hear. It is none other than Willow and John V. Harrison. Woo! Thank you for having us. Thank you. We're so grateful to be with both of you. I'm so excited to have you both here. We're both so excited to have you here.

And just excited to have this whole energy here, which we have anyway all day long. And so why not bring it into an interview. So Rade's going to go with the first question actually. I am. Get my first round. Jay Chessie Vibe on. Okay. So Willow and Janneby tell me. Tell me about the first time you guys made your music together. Oh, well, that would be surrender. Yeah. I was, I just have to put it out there. I was super nervous the first time we got in the studio together because, you know,

listening to your music and seeing you doing Kiritan, it was a level of, a level of like channeling that I had never seen another musician have. And so I was just like wanting to be worthy, like so badly, to be able to make music with you. So that was my initial emotion. When we first started making music together. I was probably feeling the same way. It was actually such a magical experience. And just as it worked out, I was only in LA for about, I think, eight, nine days.

And we only managed to actually get together in the studio the night before I was flying out. So we knew we had like six hours or so, or actually we had as much time as we wanted, but we could only meet in the evening. So we were like, okay, there's only so long we're going to go for. And but there was just such a special energy, actually. We had met up and we had practiced something. And I was nervous, too, because I find the studio can be

a lot of pressure. And you don't. Especially when there is not like an idea that's already set. Exactly. We didn't have a finished composition or anything. But I think both of us were just feeling excited to work together, and we were like, let's just see what happens. Let's just have fun with this.

And if it's not anything, we'll just have had a fun experience and we can work on it another time. And we got so absorbed in it. And it just was flowing. And I remember that, you know, it was around midnight when we finished. We were like, okay, let's listen to the whole thing now. And we were just standing there and Willa was like, we were like, we were just at this point. We were tired, but we were just, and then we came out of the studio and we were like,

what was that? We're just happened. That was so beautiful. And it was just so natural. Yeah. And it's very rare that I have those kind of like synergistic, is that a word? Yeah. Experiences with other artists, because artists are so, I know I'm very opinionated, and I have very outlandish ideas, and sometimes the push and pull of that can be kind of uncomfortable,

but for me in Genevieve it was like second nature from the start. It felt like old, old friends and even though we're so different in many ways, there was just this feeling of ease and understanding, which is it's like that's what you always hope for in collaboration with other artists. So yeah, we were like, we have to do this again. Yeah. I love that. The reason it's so special as well is that collaboration with other artists. So yeah, we were like, we have to do this again. I love that. The reason it's so special as well is that,

Radeon and I both absolutely adore you individually in your own music. So like, we would be in a car, and we'd be playing and listening to you, Radeon. We'd just be listening to your music. And then I've known Jannavina for 15 years, and so I've always been attracted to her music and the way she creates and how devotional it is. And so for us to see you both together... Magic. ...is just, it's so fulfilling. So I want to ask you both, and we're going to uncover all the layers as we go along.

I also, just before you start, I also just want to thank you both. Yes, for bringing us together. Round of applause. You guys were meant to thank you both. Yes. For bringing us together. Round of applause. You guys were meant to meet either way. Whether it was through us or whether it was through another way, there was 100%.

You guys were meant to meet. This was meant to happen. And everybody needed this in their life. So I think it was just happened to be us. But it would have been somewhere somehow. It would have happened. But I think you need to take credit, because it's because of what you are taking.

You don't want to take your credit. But I think you're both such special people that you attract such wonderful souls all around you. And you're always, I think, it's probably going to happen throughout your lives that you're making these beautiful connections so yeah we were both we always talk about that we're so grateful that you introduced us. It's just selfish really because I really wanted some like new music

of the day. Thank you you guys were really sweet we love you for that and we're loving seeing both of you or collaboration and friendship and our friendship all blossoming because of this devotional connect that we all have. And I want to ask you, what have you both learned from each other in this process? And it can be musical or non-musical. It can be anywhere you want to go with it. A lot of things.

I feel I've learned so much from Willow. I think one of the very obvious things about the process of working together was our different, just different like pace and way of approaching creative work, and Willow's obviously had so much more experience as a recording artist, as a composer. You've recorded so much and composed your own written, your own songs, and for me, even though I have recorded music, it's still something I get very nervous about, because most of what I do is live meditation experiences. So, but we hadn't worked together that much apart from that one song, so I didn't really know

Willow's sort of style and taste. Especially with production. Yeah. And the first day I was like, I was taking a back. I was like, wow. I can tell. Willow's was so confident about what she's looking for in the sound and also fast pace.

And I tend to be quite slow, too slow sometimes. People are always wanting me to make decisions faster. So although it was like, by the end of it, I was like, wow, this has really pushed me creatively in such a wonderful way. Initially, I was like, I know I was trying to like, not in a bad way, not in a scary way, but it was just like, you know, and you're just like, oh, okay, I'm going to be growing here. I'm going to learn something here. Yeah, it's a mehophageer, but I love

that. You know, I was sharing with someone the other day that it's just Willow's approach is so, I feel it's the ideal artistic approach, which is to be. Thank you. Yeah, it's to be curious and not overly controlling of the end results. Like, it's really to discover for the studio to be a space of exploration, rather than like, I want to have this specific thing and it can't be anything other than that.

It's a very playful and curious approach. And I think I can tend to be more focused on like, okay, but it has to be just like this. So yeah, by the end of it, I just felt like, wow, I'm ready to be just more fearless in creating and more open to what I could discover. That's just one thing. There's many more, but I love it. I think, you know, I would even almost say like the inverse, like I, I felt in times that I was overshooting and like kind of getting lost in the, but what about this? And we could do this and maybe it's this.

Then like, I felt like John Neville was really instrumental in like kind of bringing, grounding me and being like, okay, what's the intention behind this? Like I know you like that sound, but why are we using that sound? You know what I mean? Like what's the, where does that sound go in the song?

What is that sound gonna say? Like what's the, where does that sound go in the song? What is that sound going to say? Like what's the intention of this? So hurt, like your intentionality with everything, you might think that it's sometimes a hindrance but I think it's a blessing because you know, you know in your heart of hearts what every single instrument and every single lyric means to you and you're not just throwing things at the wall. Like, let's see if this sticks and maybe this, you know what I mean? And I think those two approaches, they just complete each other in a really nice way as they say, opposite to track. And I think that this was a case of that, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Very the view together and individually, what was your intention for the music that you

were creating together? I always want my music to bring people closer to themselves, make them feel like they're learning something or there's a thought that's being planted, that grows over time, and listening to John Abbey's music, that's exactly how I felt, and then seeing it live, it was like, okay, how can I just bottle this? Yeah. Just, like, I just want to have this. Obviously, that's the beautiful nature of it because you can't bottle it and you can't just have it. That's why it's beautiful.

But, you know, I think that going into it, that was my, and I had never made a devotional album before. So, I was even extra excited to explore that different part of me and what I could do with this new, you know, with this new path in my life. Yeah. I think also just speaking from having heard you do it, and just hearing you talk about it when we're all having lunch or when we're hanging out and just, I feel like your intention

was so pure for it. Like, from the moment that you first heard devotional music, I remember the first time it was we were doing a session and then I was like, oh crap, I can't sing. And then, and I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the instrument. And I got the first time we all met it in that way. And then there's Willow on the floor. I know, just like, oh my goodness. Just fully with your heart open, ready to receive. And that's the one thing about you. And actually, on that note, when you were even

thinking about doing this album, I feel like from what Janri is told me, and even experiencing from you, you wanted to get things so right. So whether it was your pronunciation, or whether it was like, oh, what is this word actually me? Like, oh, how is this word used?

Like, you really want to understand the depth. You're not just trying to say. And that journey, yeah. I wanted to continue when I want to keep nourishing that. Yeah, it was. Because just through this music, I've found such a deep love for just the Bok-D tradition in general. And I'm just so excited to just dive deeper into that and learn more and just brought in my horizon, in that devotional sense.

Which is so beautiful. You want depth, you don't just want, you know, just like, oh, this sounds really good. Exactly. You really wanted to understand it and feel it in you so that other people can feel it. Definitely. And I think that makes a difference. Like, both of you feel it so deeply and you've experienced it in different ways. So you're trying to share that experience with other people. But you can only share an experience

that you've had yourself. Exactly. And so I think you really feel that through both of your music and through your words and it comes from your heart. But I am an enemy, you're ten. No, I think that definitely that was our desire to try to capture the essence of what that is, this experience with mantra, with sacred sound, and share it in a way that makes it a little bit more accessible for people who haven't experienced it before.

So that's manifest in the form of, you know, the song, like the typical mantra session might be like half an hour, an hour, and you're singing the same thing over and over again. That might be very daunting for someone who's never experienced that before. So one of our mantra tracks is two minutes long. And some of our songs are touching on stories or themes from the Bukti tradition, but they're more in a kind of typical song format with a couple verses of bridge like that. So it's something familiar, but it's conveying something of this deep authentic tradition.

And so I think it's very natural that when something profoundly affects your life and touches your heart and is offers a space of shelter and upliftment, you want to share it with other people. So that's what we want to just give it as a gift, you know, if we can. And I really treasure the fact that we both had that same intention and it makes working on anything just a complete joy because you feel so aligned and you know. And that trust was really there. Like we both knew our intentions and so you know trying to do things over long distance because of COVID and you know having to make decisions without one another, because of time differences, and that trust was always there,

because we knew that our intentions were the same. Which is also probably why what you were saying before about how your differences actually didn't make a difference in a negative way, because you both have such a deep-rooted intention that even if, and what's saying is there, but even if there was something that you were like, oh gosh, but as soon as you take yourself back to the intention, you guys were like, oh, and there was saying you guys there, but even if there was something that you were like, oh gosh, like, but as soon as you take us off back

to the intention, you guys were like, oh. And there were a couple of those things. Yeah, of course. Naturally, which could bring feuds to people, but because of how deep rooted everything was for you, it kind of just didn't hit that strongly. It was, we just had to talk through. I remember we had a long phone call

because we were trying to do creative things over long distance and there were other artists that were involved. And we just had to call each other and just be like, man, like, this is really hard. And that was really healing for both of us, I feel. Just to be able to express that to one another and to be able to kind of to one another and to be able to

kind of come back and be like, this is why we're doing this. Let's not stress about something in a material sense because that's not why we're doing it anyway. So that was a good conversation. Yeah, that was wonderful. And even, I would say even in terms of the musicality of what we were doing, In terms of the musicality of what we were doing, like, you know, Willow was taking the role of producer. And I know it takes me a lot to sort of sometimes break out of the box of the sound of what I do, which is often rooted quite in the traditional origins of the Kiertaan tradition.

So I remember we were playing with different sounds, and with, you know, kind of based sounds and electronic sounds and Willow was getting so excited on the little sampler and I was sitting behind her like, okay, let's see where this goes. But I always, you know, initially I was like, okay, let's see, but then I really felt a sense of trust because I knew, as we've said, that we were both aiming for people to have this heart connection with the music. sense of trust because I knew as we've said that we were both aiming for people to have this heart connection with the music. So I was like, I'm gonna see where it takes it and I trust, you know, we're both aiming for the same space and that's a beautiful thing.

And there were a lot of things that at first seemed to you to be like, oh, that's out. There's a little deep, that's a deep bass. And I'm like, but trust me, John, the people are gonna hear this and go, oh, it's gonna hit right in their chest and then you hear it and then you're like, oh wow, like I see, I see this. And I feel that, exactly. And it's such a like, sorry, I need to go. No, I'm just gonna say how you guys

are even communicating now, you can just see there's no ego involved in it. It's like, you're like, yeah, you were right. And you're like, yeah, you were right. And just the communication, I imagine it's so difficult, even in relationships, it's like, you're like, yeah, you were right. And you're like, yeah, you were right. And just the communication, I imagine it's so difficult, even in relationships, it's sometimes difficult, even if you know someone for such a long time. You're sometimes scared of saying something

that you think might hurt their feelings. But you guys have built such an honest, you've built a foundation on honesty and integrity. And so it's easy for you guys to communicate because you know where that person's coming from. 100%. I think it's a really important part of the story that you guys created this during COVID, during lockdown, being in different parts of the world for a big part of this work. Coming together for a very short part of it, it's like you created a really collaborative piece

at a time when the music's needed most, at a time when it's actually difficult to be collaborative and creative. Like the way the relationship you guys built, just to anyone who's listening or watching right now, it's fun to watch you both just go back and forth, but to think about the fact that you've actually done this at a time when you weren't always in the same room. I think that's a really important thing to honor. And what I'm intrigued by now is to understand

from both of you and to understand from both of you and to hear from both of you about your own journey. So we'll start with you in terms of, tell us about your own journey. You've been sharing so much more about mental health and ziyity, your own healing, always through your music, but also through your words. Tell us about your journey towards wanting to do more,

even more healing, devotional music that you felt is going to help people this year because this collaboration you both created this year was truly wanting to help people with the pain that everyone's been going through. So tell us a bit about your journey to that over the, decade. Woo! Ha-ha! It's a lot. I mean, I don't want to go into like my whole life story, but I mean, is that what I'm- Really? Should I do that or should I? Wherever you're heart wants to go.

Okay. Wherever you genuinely feel like sharing from the heart. Totally. So my first interest in the lifestyle of just integrity and spirituality and meditation, I was introduced to that at a very young age. My mother had a bunch of beautiful art pieces and books about Hindu gods and goddesses. And I would just sit on the floor of her meditation room and just like look at these beautiful photos and read, you know, about the sentiments of these gods and goddesses. And from a very young age, I was so encapsulated by that and so inspired by that. And you know, fast forward to, you know, me doing all the way to my hair stuff and being

a pop star and having to realize that that's not the content that I wanted to put out into the world, that's not really the person that I wanted to be. And that was a really difficult decision to make. What made you realize that? I would go out and I would be with peers like kids my age and I would just be stopped and constantly, oh, that's the girl from with my hair, oh, can you do that? And I just saw my other friends being able to live and being able to have experiences

and being able to make mistakes and not have the whole world know what's going on with them. And so that kind of made me think, like, is this really truly the life that I want to be living? Like, I want to actually live. I don't just want to be like a caricature for the world to look at, you know? So that took a lot of courage to just say,

you know what, I'm not going to continue. There were a lot of people who had invested in me. There were projects that were already paid for, scripts that were already written that I had to going to continue. There were a lot of people who had invested in me. There were projects that were already paid for, scripts that were already written that I had to go back on. I'm surprised that I didn't get sued. It was a crazy time, but through that, I was like, okay, now that I'm free of this lifestyle, that I don't want to live, now what's the lifestyle?

I want to live. And so I's the lifestyle I want to live? And so I was so confused, I kind of went into just a spiral of just like depression, desperation. I was self-harming, I was hanging out with people that were just wrong for me. And that lasted for about two to three years. And then I started realizing, this is psychotic, literally. Like, I have to stop doing this. This is not all, this is not the person I want to three years. And then I started realizing this is psychotic, literally. Like, I have to stop doing this. This is not all. This is not the person I want to be either. So I was like, okay, I hadn't been recording music during that time. So I was like really in the

dark, like no creative outlet, no. We're doing anything creative. No. I was really just in the dark, in the darkness, I should say. And so then I started kind of coming out of my shell and trying to get back into the studio, which felt so weird and daunting because I was like, what do I make? Am I going to go back and just be like, what am I going to do? And I mean, so the first song that I had put out was called Sugar and Spies,

you could probably find it somewhere, but it was a radio head, a radio head loop. And I remember just listening to that and going, I think I can continue that little spark of inspiration, which was just like, ooh, ooh, I think I'm coming back. Yeah. And so you know, ever since then, I've just been kind of digging more into that.

And as I've gone deeper just over that time of just, you know, trying different types of music out, learning how to play the guitar, I just really realized that I just want to be in service. The only thing that makes, you know, having this lifestyle worth it. And for me to feel like I'm, I have a purpose at all and to not fall back into that dark spiral was making music that I felt would inspire people and that I thought would be in

service to others. And that's really the only reason why I feel like I got out of that dark place because people would come to me and tell me, you know, that they were in that same dark space that I was and that my voice brought them out of that and that would just bring me so much joy and just just make me feel like I had a purpose. Like there's a reason why I have all of these resources and why, you know, people are looking at me and why I'm in the tabloids and all of this. And so it just gave me a reason. And this is just expanding on that reason. And I'm just so excited to continue to expand that reason and to grow that reason and help that reason spread to others. Whew.

Thank you. That is beautiful. Thank you for so much for sharing that. Thank you. That's phenomenal. It's amazing how you came to that conclusion for yourself. That service was where you wanted to be. And that's at the heart of the virtual music. That is it. So it's incredible to hear you explain just the natural challenges that come with your

experience of life and the kind of back and forth and the recognition of both that I don't want to be this but I also don't want to be. Exactly. That's that's that's thank you so much for sharing that. Well before they do 20. I know yeah. Oh yeah, we'll adjust to it. It's a crazy life.

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Join the journey soon And Jadavee I want to hear from you because so as I was saying before Jadavee and I have known each other for 15 years Radhee's probably known Johnny for like 10 since 2012ish. Oh no, I heard John V 2010 right. Yeah, good 10 years. Yeah, no need to know for a bad guy 10 or something, so good 10 years. Yeah, known each other for a black day. That was a fun girl. Yeah. The first time we met, Ruddy was like,

this is a tattoo I got inspired by your music. It's fired by your music. Oh, wow. And she was like, oh, OK. I love that. I love that. She's like, that's not what you're meant to be. Yeah.

But, you know, John, you grew up in the Bukty tradition. Yeah. And so this music has been a part of your life forever. And it's been a part of your soul. But also it was different being someone who's a consumer of it or hearing it, but then to actually creating and sharing it. Like that journey must have been really interesting.

Can you share that with us, that transition of growing up, listening to it, but then actually being someone who's sharing this tradition and culture so widely? Yeah, yeah. Well, I grew up being involved in it all the time every day, really. We would do... I attended a school at the temple that was very near to my house. So the school was... we did regular academic subjects, but we also studied the Bhagavad Gita

and we did chanting together before we started our school day. So that was very normal, but it was collective. It was, you know, I wasn't singing on my own or anything. And also, my dad was very well known as a singer of Kirtan, all over Europe and other countries of the world

back in the cassette tape days. The cassettes used to be everywhere. And so as I got older, I mean, he was like, you know, he was like a hero, he is a hero to me, but we loved his singing and He is a hero to me, but we loved his singing and I felt, I mean, I always loved music, but as I got older, people would be like, oh, do you sing like your dad and like singing? Well, you must know nothing about that. Nothing in common, you guys. So, if I know... Nothing come in you guys. No, I know. Um, so I think I was quite shy as a very shy and introverted and I also felt this pressure

that people are like wanting to see if I'm also going to be like my dad. And so I just, I was too shy to, I didn't really know that, I knew I could sing because I sang, you know, in my bedroom, in the shower, but I didn't know. I remember actually, I went to regular school for a few years and in my first year of regular school, and this is something we share as well, like a bit of an unusual schooling experiences,

but I was so shy and I was, it was because, you know, growing up with this tradition, I knew that, okay, I'm a little bit different from other, other kids and, you know, I've grown from the age of four talking about life and death and the, the body being like a coat that, you know, you take off and put on a new body. These kind of concepts, reincarnation and karma. Kids don't talk about that kind of stuff. So I was really shy. And the school play was the end of year school play

was the Wizard of Oz. And my teacher cast me as the cowardly lion, because I think she knew that it would help me to, she could see that I was shy, but it would be good for me to play a role that would kind of bring me out of myself. So I remember I had to sing a song on my own on the stage and like, you know, swing my tail. And it was the smell where I was like, oh my God, I'm singing in front of people.

And it's actually, it's nice, you know, but, but that, but that was it. Then for many years, and it wasn't, it's nice, you know, but that was it then for many years. And it wasn't until I was 1920 around your age that I started to lead Kierten. People were kind of, just friends were just encouraging me and I found that it was something that I felt more and more connected with. But it is because it's such a deep tradition and it's a form of prayer, a form of worship, it is kind of a thing where you have to navigate your ego. Because it's not a performance genre of music. It's a prayer and an offering. So for many years, I didn't really identify with being a person to sort of go out in

the world and like share this with lots of people. It was just something I didn't within my community. But as circumstance goes, you know, sometimes destiny finds you and you try and push something away. Many times, I think, you know, Jay and I've had probably many conversations over the years where I'd be like, I just don't know if this is what I meant to do or like, yeah, I do this. You know, that kind of thing where you keep trying to turn away from something, but it kept coming back

to me, kept knocking on and doing. I'm really interested in that, both of us kept on trying to go, no music. Yeah. No music, I was like, yes. Yeah. You know was like, yes. You know, when you have to write on a form occupation, and I would always stop and be like, what do I write there?

Because I wrote, I did art, I was a dancer, but I didn't want to write musician or artist or writer. I just didn't know what to write, because I didn't fully identify with being able to say this is what I am. So yeah, it came bit by bit and I think one of the big catalysts for me with feeling confident to try to accept the role of embracing my creativity and engaging it in service of spreading this type of music more, is the fact that yoga, meditation, mindfulness,

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There's such a pressure these days for young people, especially to find their purpose or discover what they want to do for the rest of their lives. And you can see in both of the way you are experiencing, it's kind of not been like that. It's kind of been much more of this meandering path and kind of getting lost and then refining and then feeling stark and then questioning everything and then finding it. And this almost like magical approach to like, I found my purpose, so I found my, you

know, calling. Exactly. It doesn't work like that. And it's nice to see two people who are creating an artistic, but it's kind of coming over time. It's such a process. It's such a process. It's such a journey and there's so many internal obstacles that need to be looked at and that need to be worked on until you can step into your calling,

until you can step into your purpose fully. Oh, and God knows, I'm still trying to step in. Yes. I'm still trying to step in. What would you say are both of your daily things that you do in your lives that help and reach you or uplift you? What are the things that you've started to do? I think on a daily basis because I feel like they're the things that really make a difference if you're doing something regularly. Consistently. Yeah.

I'm the first to feel of your name. I haven't, but thank you. Please, please continue. Well, I find that daily meditation, daily, I practice month-to-month-to-meditation daily, and that is something that I really hold on to. I imagine, you know, if you take life to be like a river, that is, the current is flowing

very fast. In some of these sacred rivers in India where people, they take a dip, as a purifying kind of act. They have these metal chains that are in the water that you hold on to when you go in to make sure you don't get swept away. So I see the the mantra meditation as sort of like this chain to hold on to in the rushing current of life. And it really, even though it's not it's not easy, I know Willow has you know a yoga practice you've been cultivating for a long time to do anything daily. It's not an easy thing. And you don't always feel like doing it and sometimes you do it And you don't always feel like doing it. And sometimes you do it robotically. And then you're like, oh, I got to come back

to the deeper reason of why I'm doing this. But to just keep that commitment, it develops a relationship with sacred space within. It develops a relationship with the divine. That really is, it's a life saver. It's, it's, um, it gives me inspiration. It gives me sense of connection. And it, and it's a meditation that, the particular mantra that I, that I recite

daily, the meditation is on how can I be of service? And a prayer for service, please allow me to be of service in this life. So I love how Willa was describing that service. It brings you out of that space. Because every day we have to push against our tendency to be self-absorbed. It's like at every moment we tend to be caught in our head, thinking about our own worries and things like that.

And to turn that around to, how can I serve? It's such a dramatic state change. And so for me, that helps. It helps, then whether I'm doing one thing or another, just to keep connecting with that core reason of why, of what is the purpose of my existence to serve? It makes things a lot more simpler and joyful. I'm just gonna piggyback off of what John have you said. Yes, I've been cultivating a yoga practice for about I want to say

two years We see those I want to say two years or a year and a half and You know another thing aside from meditation that I try to do daily sometimes it doesn't happen I read every day that I try to do daily, sometimes it doesn't happen. I read every day, right now I'm reading inner engineering by Sadguru, so that's something that I've been putting my time into every day. So whether it's literature, yoga, or meditation, one of those things is happening every day.

So just like John Neville said, I truly believe that that consistency and that repetition is what's needed in order to get into a state where it is second nature, where you don't have to think about it anymore, where it's habitual. It's part of you. Exactly. And that's where I'm trying to be. That's where I'm striving to. And I think what you both are doing, keeping it consistent, that's probably how, you know,

you've realized what the benefits are, that living a, keeping it consistent, that's probably how you've realized what the benefits are, that living a life without it, that feels more unnatural than doing the practice. And I was also thinking, what was I thinking about when they were speaking? Oh, I was thinking about how, you know, both of your practices are things which people have been doing for years, such an ancient thing that people have been doing. But what's incredible about your music is that it think it's shown so many people who are probably unfamiliar with meditation, unfamiliar with yoga or see it as something that's so unfamiliar, that, you know,

meditation music or mountain music is for everybody. Like it's such a universal thing that so many different types of people can connect to it just by your different backgrounds that you two have connect to it, just by your different backgrounds, that you two have connected to it in such a different way. And how you're sharing it, it's beautiful to see how different meditation music and devotional music can actually be and how many different types of people it can connect.

I'm glad you put that base on it, so I can turn it up and go. Yeah, I knew it! I knew it! I knew it! I love it. The first time I heard it, I was telling you put that base on it. So I can turn it up and go. See, I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I love it. The first time I heard it, I was telling Jardovir, it's just like you feel it. It's just all the music, what you've made is it's like that

perfect combination between being timeless and pure but then being current and relevant. Exactly. And you've created, in my opinion, whatever it's worth, it sounds like a no-genre. Like it's new, it's different, it's not, you can't just go, oh yeah, that's that kind of music. I wouldn't even put it on the meditational music. It's beyond that. And I think that credit to both of your artistry to be able to expand that much. What's different about creating devotional music for both of you? And John, to be for you expand that much. What's different about creating devotional music

for both of you and Jannevi for you to stretch out of your comfort zone from a music place of now creating this new genre that you have together. So for Willow, for you more, what's different about creating devotional music for you from your perspective? And then Jannevi, from yours,

like almost going the other way and like, oh, now we're creating something a bit newer to what I'm used to. Yeah, you know, my lyrics that, you know, from yours, like almost going the other way and like, oh, now we're creating something a bit newer to what I'm used to. Yeah. You know, my lyrics that, you know, in the Willow album and in Art of Pithakiz, my first album, you know, I talk a lot about duality. I talk a lot about spirit.

I talk a lot about, you know, cycles. I have a song that's called Cycles on my first album. But it's very, the language is very modern. And it's very, what I love about Sanskrit is that it's deeper than language. And I think the real difference is bringing that ancient vibration to it, that isn't just coming from me. It's coming from generations and generations of deeply spiritual individuals who have carried this on.

And I think feeling that is the biggest difference for me, because it's incredible to think of it like that. That's so well articulated. That's beautiful. Thank you. Hello. You accept me. Oh my god. Yeah, wow. Wow, I've just been hit by your articulation of that.

That's so beautiful. Thank you. Hello. I'm just happy you accept me. Oh my god. Yeah, wow. Wow. I've just been hit by your articulation of that. Oh my god. Yeah, wow. Wow, I've just been hit by your articulation

of that. That's so beautiful. Yeah, I think it's so interesting because I think for me, it was almost, I wouldn't say the opposite, because naturally, we're trying to retain the purity of devotional space. And with recording, we set up a little altar, like in the studio, it's really nice to have that feel

to be a sacred space. That is attention, like you're making it. Yeah, but with this EP, because most of the time I'm singing mantra, which obviously those words are not mine. I'm putting my heart, my prayer into it, but I'm also trusting the power of that ancient vibration, that timeless vibration to touch the heart of another. And then for that reason, I don't take credit when someone has a powerful experience with it.

It's like, oh, yeah, that's what it does. That's what it does to me, too. So I'm just trying to be, facilitate this experience. But with this album, I definitely was stretching myself because I think just before we came together, I'd been recently feeling a lot more inspired to write lyrics in English that convey some of these ideas and themes, which was daunting for me because it's not something I hardly ever do. Let alone record. I have tons of voice

notes in my phone, which we'll never see the light of day, you know, ideas that I've had. But it was so cool because I didn't think we would actually work on those things, but when I showed some of them to Willow, she was so encouraging and excited about it. And I was sort of like, well, what do you think? Like you add your lyrics into, she was like, no, I love this. I think we should go for it. I was like, really? And then so to actually bring some of those ideas to life, for me, that was a beautiful experience of being able to come outside of the space of, okay, this is just mantra, it's not me, but here's this ancient sound vibration to actually,

here's some words that I wrote which convey how I want to take a snapshot of this sentiment, for instance, of surrender or what's in that? How have you experienced it? How have you experienced it? Or what's meaningful to me or to us? And for me, that was a really, that was extremely powerful. I came away being like, whoa, I don't know, I could do it.

Yeah, so I'm so grateful for that. Yeah, it was beautiful. Yeah, I could feel that sense of hesitancy. That's why I was like, yeah. Yeah. I was like, let's go full flat. Yeah. Are you sure?

She's like, let's do it. Yeah. Yeah, because I was like, you go know the greatness of you today. Yeah. the greatness of you today. Both of you live real lives in the real world. You go through your challenges every single day and people who listen to this are going through their own challenges. What's been something that's been really beautiful or powerful for both of you individually, that you feel has helped you discover answers at tough times

or find new directions at tough times. What is it that both of you have turned to in your own life, whether it be musical or not, that you think that almost, what is it that people can do to express themselves more? Because it feels like so many of our feelings do get bottled up and do just get thought about inside. What has been powerful for you individually? I mean, it might be a little unorthodox, but I actually really, really enjoy looking at

myself in the mirror and explaining, like, like, telling, like having a conversation with myself, basically. Like, when I'm having tough emotions that I, like, telling, like having a conversation with myself, basically. Like, when I'm having tough emotions that I feel like, I don't wanna express to other people, or I feel like embarrassed, or whatever it is, I always try to, like, just look at myself and be like, no, you're valid. Like, explain the full depth of everything

that you're feeling, and then look at yourself, and like, explain, you're valid. Like, explain the full depth of everything that you're feeling, and then look at yourself and explain back to yourself. Why? Why those emotions, not why those emotions are okay, but accepting yourself in a certain way. And sometimes when the FaceTime doesn't work and people don't answer their phone, you can talk to yourself.

And it does work. It does work for me. It does. I love that. That's so good. Yeah, I've never heard anyone do that in the mirror. I feel like I think I'm journaling to another level. Yeah. To actually facing yourself, which I think a lot of the times we are battling with our own self, rather than with other people and so actually like looking at yourself in the mirror and and speaking to yourself is so powerful. It gets deep. The tears start flowing and then you start looking at your face. Exactly and you're like dang like I see you like you're we're together in

this like we got each other. I love that. Yeah. That's awesome. I hope everyone tries that out this week. Yeah. I'm listening or watching try it out. I'm being serious. It's a guy, sometimes I feel weird saying it because some people, you know, are like, that's ridiculous, but I've done it. No, I know. And it has stopped the tears. Mm-hmm. Wow. That's great.

Yeah, I was thinking as you were speaking that for me, writing has always been a powerful one, and it's funny because I think of the page being like a mirror and I think many people find writing to be like that. To the point where I remember some difficult points in my life where I didn't write for a very long time for probably two years I didn't write anything on a page because I was afraid of what will come out and what I would see. I felt just this complete block, you know, and then to release that to start, I always feel such a relief when I put a pen on the paper and start to write. And I was introduced to the practice of free writing some years ago. There's a famous book called The Artists Way by Julia Cameron and this practice

of morning pages is something that many people have found. A lot of, yeah, just incredible experiences from. So I started to do that and I still turned to that when I, I mean, I tried to do it regularly but it's also one of those things. You go through phases, you know. But for me, yeah, so writing is always a huge, huge help. I mean, stating the obvious, I think, you know, Kiertaan meditation music, of course, but my other huge one, which I think Willa and I share, is to connect with nature.

I mean, just to walk, I mean, I think I try and go for a walk in nature every day. And without fail, it's like a balm, it's uplifting. It brings me back to myself. It sparks ideas and creativity. It's just like the road and the page that my two friends that really helped me so much. Time to awaken and ask why and when. I love that. Yeah, I love that. That's so awesome. And I guess that's what's inspired a lot of your work. I love that. I love that. That's so awesome. And I guess that's what's inspired a lot of your work.

I know, John and me, whenever you're doing your BBC pause for thought sessions, you talk a lot about the environment and climate change. And where do you see that intersection between like art and the environment or climate change, your expression and that? Is there a synergy there, or is it just something that you feel is a different part or is it just something that you feel

is a different part of you where your care comes from? Mmm, I think it's absolutely intertwined. I mean, nature is the most beautiful art that we can witness and observe. I'm so inspired by the natural world and my mom is a really avid gardener and lover of, you know, wild plants and herbs. And she sort of brought us up like that to observe and learn about all the properties of plants and trees around us.

So I'm kind of obsessed with plants and flowers and people laugh at me, but it's like, I'm always looking, I'm inspired by the textures, by the shapes, by the different aromas, yeah, everything. And so our nature inspires me creatively, immensely. And in terms of caring for nature, I think like a person, the more you know a person, the more you care.

So the more we observe and connect and feel a sense of relationship with nature, that care, it's like why wouldn't I care? It's a beautiful exchange. It nourishes me. Exactly. There's a mutual exchange of nourishment going on. And I think also with the particular type of creativity and art, you know, the questions that I'm asking or that we're asking about service, about divinity, these kinds of things, they bring us also closer to our deepest essence, which I believe is meant to be in harmony with nature. So the more that you, the more that you're

coming into that space, again, it just becomes a very natural connection to feel. And so, yeah, I'm kind of a nature addict. And I know, like, when I visited Willow and her home, you know, there's such a beautiful view of the ocean. And it's like, it's just a part of you, right? Yeah, 100% I have to, I think a significant decline in my mental health would happen if I were to live in a city. Or, I mean, I do live in a city, but if I were to live amongst buildings, exactly.

Like I need to wake up and see trees. I need to- Just one tree. Exactly. At least one to wake up and see trees. I need to. Just one tree. Exactly. At least one. At least one. I need, I'm a nature addict. What can I say? Just like you. Yeah. And that's definitely one of the biggest healing agents in my life. 100%.

Yeah. We've been talking about this for a past couple of days about how you see this connection between spirituality and science and physics and spirituality. And you know, and you've always been very much talking about science and physics and like, but then you're also really interested in spirituality. Tell us about how you started to see so early in your life, the connection and synergy between the two, because I think so often they're talked about so separately. 100%. Their scene is like divisive or disconnected. Exactly.

I think one of the biggest moments in my life that made me really move towards this marriage of spirituality and science was, I had been reading a lot of spiritual literature. I had been reading a lot of O-Show, a lot of, I read this one book called Oneness by, I think, Russia, Ram, Russia, I think, or Rama. But it's called Oneness, And that will change my life forever.

And just the idea of vibration, and that everything is vibration really hit me because I am a musician. And music is the biggest love of my life. And then learning about string theory was just opened my mind into such a place that it was like, these two things are the same. People think that they're separate and in some ways they are, but in the fundament, they're just two sides of the same coin. And so that inspired me to just dive really deep into the physical world and just how things work.

And that's how I just got into physics and started studying physics. And, you know, I haven't been studying more of the spiritual lane recently. It's hard, I will say, to study them deeply at the same time. But I study them separately deeply, and I go back and forth, and then try to figure out how to bring them together in some way. But in my life, I'm constantly relating my spiritual experiences with all of the scientific things that I've read,

or just being in physics class and telling my physics teacher, like, oh, you should read this book and he's like, okay. I'm a physics teacher. I'm not a metaphysics teacher. So I just want to continue to just get more intelligent and more intelligent while also losing my ego. I think is where I'm trying to go,

which is kind of counterintuitive, but I think it is possible. Absolutely. And intelligence and service. Exactly. And so that's really just, I have lots of goals. But that's one of them. Save the world.

Exactly. I have lots of goals. But that's one of them. Save the world. Exactly. I have lots of goals. But they all give me joy and really just my curiosity for both makes life just exciting. Those two things just make my life feel exciting to me. Yeah. I actually think that paradox is what makes it exciting. Yeah. If your pursuit was only to become intelligent, you'd get bored. Exactly. And if your pursuit was only to remove ego, it wouldn't be as exciting.

Exactly. It would be quite tough. And so actually both of them together is a beautiful path. And often the path that can only be walked when you do both paths to really get it right. I love that. I love that. Well, you can ask. both parts to really get it right. I love that. I love that. What were you gonna ask?

I wasn't. I want to add something. That's also why I really admire you, Jay, because you, while also having been a monk for five years, three years, you are also one of the most intelligent people I know. And that's so inspiring to see that you can do both and that both can be done. It just inspires me to do it. It just inspires me to try to actually put that into my own life. And I'm just so happy that you're in my life

so that I can see you grow and constantly learn from you. And that's really amazing to me. Oh, you're the sweetest. I'm not getting all immersed in them, but. Now we're just gonna all be crouched. Yeah, no, I love that. I really appreciate it. No, I'm your fan.

No, I was like, will I put your old grandma inside her talking? No, I'm just a proud to be the idol. I love it. No, I really appreciate that from you. It's, you know, I think we both have a lot more in common than we know too. We're kind of discovering it recently.

I love seeing you guys have a lot of things. Yeah, so I'm just like, oh, yeah, I can learn a lot. And that's why, yeah, I think what we all were talking about yesterday is, and I think why we all like being around each other is, and why everyone who's listening or watching, I'm hoping that this is encouraging you to connect with like-hearted people, connect with and collaborate with people that you're close to, because

when you can be yourself and you don't have to apologize by asking for permission to say something or expressing who you are and you welcome that. I think that's the kind of community that we're all looking for where people just try. Is it right to say Sadhusanga? Yeah, yeah. Oh, there we go. Sadhusanga. We'll do that.

We'll do that. We'll do that. We'll do that. So Sadhusanga for those who don't know, Willow's now going to give the definition. Willow's getting the answer. One of the things I love to. Basically, your spiritual family, the like-minded individuals around you that facilitate your growth towards pure love for God. And that is...that's fire in my eyes.

I want to do a mic drop, I'm doing this. I'm doing a mic drop. I'm doing a mic drop. I'm doing a mic drop. I'm doing a mic drop. I'm doing a mic drop. I'm doing a mic drop. I'm doing a mic drop. I'm doing a mic drop. I'm doing a mic drop.

I'm doing a mic drop. I'm doing a mic drop. I'm doing a mic drop. I'm this all the time. You need to do this together. I know, I think. Fill in the blank is as it is. We'll read out a sentence for both of you and you both will fill in the blank. We've got different ones for both of you.

I'm gonna add them to. Okay. And then we're gonna do a final five. So we'll start with fill in the blank and you do Willow Aldi, Jeremy. Okay. Making music is about unlocking people's hearts. Peace is found.

When my actions are in alignment with my values and my heart, I love that. I want my listeners to. I want my listeners to break down in dance with the love of God. That's what I want. I love that. Like that massive dance party we had before COVID. Yes, before COVID.

Music allows me to fly vulnerability allows me to be strong the word rise is about moving up going into my heart and Like we said in the song, don't hide from the questions within that rise, within. That is really good, though.

It's like, yeah, questions are rising, so we're just trying, we're always trying to push them down. Yeah, I love that. I wish I knew 10 years ago that other people's opinions don't matter. Hey. Okay, Jadory, 2020 has allowed me to create as I haven't before in the past. Well, Willow creativity is about... Creativity is about expressing oneself entirely.

Hmm. Love that. Collaboration is about... Listening. Hmm. Yes. Amazing. Yes, John O'Neal.

Yes. From that. Awesome. I feel cute when. This one's obviously not on the From Jay's list of questions I feel cute when Prima's coming onto me yeah I'm loving guys Tell me you feel cute when I feel cute when I'm around Rady. Yeah! For me, you don't have to be so into it. I think you ended it really well.

So I'm not... Okay, so these are the final five. That was very good, by the way. The final five. Okay, thank you guys. Final five. So these have to be answered in one word or one sentence, maximum.

And they're the same questions for both of you. Okay. What is the biggest lesson that you've same questions for both of you. Okay. What is the biggest lesson that you've learned this year? Detach me. Nice. Beautiful. The power of community.

Have that. Okay, the second question is, oh, this is one of my favorite questions I ask on the show. So what do you know to be absolutely true, but a lot of people may disagree with you on? Oh, what do you know to be absolutely true? What is it that you're so confident about and so sure about in your life, but a lot

of people may disagree and they may not necessarily understand. Self-love is the most important love. Hmm. Nice. But I don't know if anyone would disagree. I'd say connection with spirit and the divine is essential for a purposeful life. Yes. Yeah, I can see people disagree. Yes, I can see people disagree. Yes. Alright, the third question is, if you could set one law that everyone had to follow in the world,

what would it be? It's either treat people the way you want to be treated, or treat people with the utmost respect at all times, no matter what. I feel like that would help a lot of the wars and a lot of the inequality that goes on. Yeah, thank you. Wonderful answer. I want Willow's laws, but also.

Yeah. I was thinking. I don't know how this would actually be manifest or policed, but a law to about being truthful and honest. Can you imagine if everyone had to be truthful, had to be integrity to one's word, what a place the world would look like, with to be integrity to one's word. What a place the world would look like, with, along with Willow's laws of love and respect. Okay, so two more questions left. Fourth question is, what is your personal favorite song

on the EP and why? So you can be over one sentence obviously. I have to say born to give, just because the instrumentation, it's like, when do you ever hear a guitar solo on top of a mantra that's being repeated? We're saying Satjit Ananda, like over an electric guitar solo.

Oh yeah, that. While Satjit Ananda is being repeated, I just was like, I'd never heard anything like that. So I was like, I really love this moment. I think that would be my favorite song. I love that. That's cool. That's a cool reason.

Go to the other. Yeah. Honestly, I actually do love them all equally, but Gagendra or De Let go is one of my favorites because I love the story that it's connected to, which is from the Bukti tradition. And this theme of surrender is so meaningful to me, but to express it in English lyrics. And yeah, I just love it. And I love this bridge.

A lot of people have been posting themselves singing. Oh, I love it too. Yeah. Yeah. I just this bridge. A lot of people have been posting themselves singing. Oh, I love it too. Yeah. Yeah. I just love that. I was telling Willow that a couple, like, few weeks before we met up, I watched Hamilton when it went streaming online.

And I was so inspired by the lyrics and the way that the music was composed and constructed. And I think that was in my head a little bit when I wrote this. So yeah, I love that song. And lastly, the most important one, both of you do an impression of each other from your experience in the studio. 100%. Perfection, perfection.

It literally me. I feel like there would be such a vibe. Yeah,. Literally me. I feel like there would be such a vibe. Yeah, that's me. And then when I'm on the keyboard trying to find the sound, trying to be like, okay. I could see that maybe. I could see that. And I'm like, okay, she doesn't like this.

Let's move on. My favorite one is that it's differently. Yeah, yeah. Really, it's different. Yeah, she date when we were talking about the Bhagavad Vagita, I was like, I kept on saying that. I was like, then it's different. Oh, that is different.

It's great statement. I love it. Everyone willow and Janavee go and listen to the Ryzee people put the link everywhere. Please, please, please go and check it out. It's a beautiful experience. It will transform your heart, open it, and fill it with so much joy.

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