Oversharing - I’m Having An Existential Crisis About AI

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

After a weekend of tornado watches near Dr. Naomi’s home, she and Jordana examine what rattles them both the most, especially when it comes to the unexpected and uncontrollable. But the storms in Dr. Naomi’s hometown aren’t the only thing brewing! The Overshare this week gets into the dirty topic of jealousy when one woman spills that her BFF’s new, very cool, boyfriend is making her a little envious. In a complete 180, the Betchicist of the week comes from a listener who is trapped hearing weekly rants from their brother-in-law about his marriage, which has them feeling at a loss of how to escape the awkwardness. Speaking of chaos, Dr. Naomi helps set an intention for a Betch that is increasingly overwhelmed by the prospect of robots replacing all human interaction, and the hosts touch on the ever growing importance of making time for connection with others. It wouldn’t be an Oversharing episode without a few Triggering scenarios and so Jordana and Dr. Naomi close out the episode with a little look at work/life boundaries and a friend and soon to be god parent that would rather scuba dive than celebrate their new god-child. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A quick note before we get into the episode, Oversharing is a podcast for entertainment purposes only. It is not a medical podcast and does not constitute medical or psychological advice. Always seek the advice of your physician or mental health professional. Hello and welcome back to Oversharing. I'm Dredaun Abraham. And I'm Dr. Naomi Bernstein. How are you? How is your weekend?

How's it all going? Weekend was good. We had a guest in with a little tiny baby. so that's always cute and fun. Is it? I feel like it's like loud, no. Yeah, no. She was like a really, really good baby.

And she was just doing this very cute. Like, you know, babies do that thing. They were like, I get that. Right. I'm a duck up. Like she's. Wow. Great impression.

Thank you. Like she's saying something. Like you know that she thinks she knows what she's saying. It was she was just so cute. And she barely cried. Oh, we did have a tornado. Sirens. go off last night. How is that for you being from New York? Like it's so funny because I feel like

everybody has their like in New York a lot of times when they say there's like a hurricane or something in like September, October, you kind of have this idea of like if it's you have to take it seriously or not like you've been through it enough times to realize. And with this tornado thing, I don't know. Like they seem a lot more unpredictable than a hurricane. Like you can't. like watch it for three days and know exactly. I mean, not exactly, but tornadoes like bop around and it could land like on your house and destroy it

or it could like not touch down at all. Or so yeah, it's it's hard not to know when. So we all went in the laundry room with our guest and the baby at like. I think the imagery also of a tornado is like a lot. When I picture like both natural disasters, I think a tornado feels much more frightening like there's moving. like there's movies about twister.

Yeah. Yeah. Like you literally get ripped off the ground and taken away versus a hurricane where maybe you have a more thoughtful slow death like drowning or having a tree falling. But like, I don't know, it feels like more like you could have, obviously there's a lot of damage, but I don't know, it feels like there's more window for evacuation. It's not going to happen like immediately. Yes.

That's exactly what it is. So I don't know. I'm getting used to it. I've been here. So you went to the laundry room. So we all went into the laundry room. Why is the laundry room safer than any other room? Because there's no windows. Okay. Yeah. So our options are pantry or laundry room and the pantry is pretty small. So we go in the laundry room. And it was funny because we had a friend visiting who's from New York. And so she got the full Texas tornado experience. But I bring it up one, because it's. crazy. And two, her baby was so good the whole time, but when we woke her up to bring her into

the laundry room at whatever time it was, like 10.30 at night, she was freaking out, like just screaming and inconsolable and even her mom couldn't console her. But that was the only time she was bad the whole weekend. How often do you have these? Springtime is the time. We haven't had to actually go into the laundry room yet this year. So this was the first one for the year. I'd say maybe one where we like you'll get it's the tornado watch and then a tornado warning. And then when you hear the actual sirens, that's when. And you had that really loud, annoying like sound go off on the phone. You know, like an amber alert sound. Okay. That's, okay, that's how you know. Got it. Yeah. On your cell phones. So I mean, you see, you're obviously pretty

that in person, do you get like anxious or what's your, what is your like attitude towards these things? Yeah, I'm yeah, I'm like low on the anxiety scale. So I'm kind of more like, oh, this is annoying. Like we have to, the right thing to do is to do this. So we, you know, we go and we do it. I am more like if I heard something like within proximity, like they say it sounds like a train, like there's a train coming. That's the sound of a tornado. Interesting. I've never heard that sound.

But if I heard that sound, I'd probably, that's when I would start to freak out when it was like right there. But there's also a thunderstorm happening. So there's a lot of thunder. You can't really make out what's what. And the other thing you have to worry about here,

I feel like, and in Florida probably too, is lightning strikes. So then we have to decide if we're going to have the kids sleep, the kids sleep upstairs in our house. and we are bedrooms downstairs. So we have to decide, are we going to let them sleep upstairs every time there's a thunderstorm? Because we had a house like pretty much across the street, like on backs up to the house across the street from us that got struck by lightning and the whole thing like burned to the

ground. Wow. Yeah. And you're still pretty chill. Yeah. Yeah, the house next to us just completely. I mean, it was crazy, but it was like a lightning strike. I mean, it kind of almost makes you feel like.

Like, all right, if it happened once, it's probably not going to. Right. No, I see what you're saying. Like, it's like by nature of my nature of the fact that it happened to someone else, you're like, eh, it seems like unlikely. And no one was harmed also. They've already, right. Nobody died.

The neighborhoods capped out here. Yes. Okay. I think I'm more like death focused than like, I'm kind of like, if our house got struck by lightning, as long as nobody died, we'll be fine. Right. As opposed to like, what if, you know, like. And I spoke.

to some people where it's so loud and it happens like you're not going to sleep through it that as soon as you hear that, you just leave and leave the house and you'd probably be okay. So these are the thoughts that like go through my head when I'm like, okay. That's good. Yeah. No, I think that thing about the neighbor's house, it's funny. Like there's someone in my neighborhood where I heard like I heard on the street that like their parents, the owners of the house, like their parents won the.

the lottery. Oh, wow. They won like $10 million in the lottery or something. Oh, wow. And I was talking to a friend and we were like, wow, like that's crazy. Like should we play the lottery? And then we're like, no, like someone already like won. One in our area. Exactly. Exactly. Which doesn't make any, I mean, it's not like statistically that actually makes sense, I guess, in terms of like your chance of winning is the same no matter what. Right. Or your chance of being your house getting, you know, caught on fire is the same no matter what. But it does feel like, okay, we're like, what are the chances it happens twice. Right. Yes. That's the mindset. I mean, it's still kind of freaky. But it was fine. Everyone. Brooks went right back to sleep on the floor. Thankfully, I had a large pile of clean,

unfolded linens, like right on the floor in the laundry room. So we just brought him in and he fell right to sleep, like on a pile of sheets. How long did you have to stay there? Probably about 35 minutes. Okay. That's a good amount of time. Yeah. Not enough. for like a full like board game. Right. Enough to be like, all right, I'm ready to go.

I know. And then it's, I think to me the hardest part is deciding. Because nobody gives you the all clear. That's the other annoying thing. Like it's kind of deciding when it's over. They'll like change the time. They'll change it from a warning to a watch.

And then they change it for, you know, they say like it's a watch until. But then it was like a watch until 3.30 in the morning or something. I was like, going with that. Right. I'm going to go with the warning is over. And again, in your mind, you would like hear it if it. Yeah. I mean, or they would, if it was really close, I figured they'd put the sirens on again. But yeah, that is a weird, you know,

Texas thing, tornadoes. I like your attitude about it. I think that's inspiring. What will be, will be. Yeah. I mean, we had a listener once that I think she was traumatized by the movie twister and was really anxious about tornadoes. I get it. They are super freaky. My fear-based things are around things that I don't feel like I have. And here you have like some control. Like there's some warning. There's some control. And I've talked about my fear of like the ticks and the Lyme disease. And like obviously there's some control there too. But I guess like that seems scarier to me than I think I would be more scared of the Lyme tick thing than the tornado thing because like there seems to be a lot more exterior people helping you navigate the tornado situation than the Lyme situation.

Like there's no, you know, there's no Amber Alert being like a lot of ticks around here, like get out of here. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Isn't I, I do like when there's somebody else tells me what to do. Agreed.

I always said, I mean, we've talked about this, I think on the show where it's like, I am like totally fine with flying. I'm not in control of the plane. Like I'm just getting on and like that's not my job. But I'm really scared of going down a ski slope that I can't handle. Yes. Because it's like my decision and I'm in control of if I live or die. So I do.

I don't know if that's just us or I think some people, some people are more, maybe people who trust themselves more are more terrified when they have no control. I'm like relaxed by having no control. Totally. I do think there are people that are opposite. I'd rather go skydiving than drive a motorcycle, like on a highway. Because it's like, I'm in charge of what happens here versus like the skydiving.

It's like, all right, you jump out. Well, you might be more worried about skydiving when there's no one behind you. Right. Yes. Like a tandem. I would, yes, a lone skydye. Agree. I like when other people, like leave it to the experts.

Agreed. So anyway, we made it. Good. I'm glad that you're still here. with Wi-Fi. Oh, yeah, and the power was kind of flickering. So I was thinking about this recording today and whether or not the Wi-Fi was going to be reset and if I was going to have, you know, all that nonsense. But we're good. Crystal clear. Ready to go. Love it. Okay. Well, thank you guys for listening to the show. We're about to get into it. If you want to leave us a voice,

we have a voicemail on this episode. You can leave us a voicemail at 646-363-6294. Or you can email us at oversharing at betches.com. If you would like, like these episodes a day early and ad-free. And two bonus episodes a month, you can subscribe at betches.com or you can subscribe right in the Apple app. Or if you want even more interaction with this show, you can join one of Dr. Naomi's therapy groups. Yes, join one of my groups. We do little challenges. I was thinking of bringing some of those challenges here. I have a new one for my group. I'm not going to spoil it for them. But yeah, it's, I want to hear the challenge. Yeah, I will give you, well, fine. I won't spoil it for them because this is probably

going to air after I see them this week. But I'm going to do a challenge with my group around how to stop working on yourself. Okay. So basically, and pursuit of mediocrity continues. Yes. Yes. Yes. Well, the truth is, the people that join my groups, they're like the best humans. I really love every single one of them, but they're joining a therapy group because they have a strong desire to continue to work on themselves. And the funny thing is a lot of them are really amazing just the way that they are and are just striving for more, which is great. And we're not going to do this challenge the entire year, but for one week, what does it look like to just accept yourself the way you are? The caveat is you get to pick one thing that, you know, that you're going to be a lot of

you are going to work on. So you pick your one thing that you're going to work on and that's the only thing. You only work on one thing. Yes. So it's like whatever you're, you know, if you want to exercise more that week, if you want to call your grandma more that week, if whatever the thing is that you think that you want to do even when you don't feel like it or work on in terms of yourself, you're going to do that for that. And these challenges are usually, We'll do a week. We check back in. We see how it feels.

Sometimes we'll do it like four weeks in a row. Sometimes we'll just do a week or two. But yeah, I think sometimes it's okay to just say, hey, I've worked really hard on myself, my entire life. I've given a lot of thought to who I am as a person. Am I a good human? Am I doing the best? Am I achieving enough?

Am I working hard and dating? And sometimes it's nice to just be like, let me just chill out and enjoy all the work that I've put in for one singular week at least. Right, not be seeking. I think I saw something about that with like taking a day off, like a real day off of from on the weekend. Right. Like where you, again,

where you're not like making sure you're getting your errands done or you're getting your hair done. Yeah, even I have to call this friend back that called me and I, you know, or. Right. You know. Like a full day of just doing like literally whatever you feel like doing in that moment is very, very good for you.

Totally. I agree because even when you think you're doing what you feel like doing, a lot of times you're checking, what you feel like doing is like checking something off of your list because it makes you feel better. Totally. Like I had that with this weekend with like working out where I'm like, okay,

I have the time. I'm going to do this exercise class. But it's like, that's not really for, like that's still felt like doing. Right. I felt like sitting on the couch and just literally doing nothing and playing, you know,

game is on my phone. Yeah. Well, the fear is, I think, for people, and this is why it's good to be in this structured challenge with me

is because I think the fear is if I let myself go, I'm going to fall off a cliff of sitting on the couch, scrolling on my phone, and eating whatever I feel like and never working out ever again, and I'm going to, you know.

Right. When the truth is that it's like, I think even just having that fear means you're not the kind of person where that's going to happen. Yes. Even just, like, because people who actually do that aren't like really worried about that happening to them. Yeah, that's why in these groups, I'm giving this challenge to these, this particular subset of people because they're here.

They're showing up every week working on themselves. So let's take a break. Yeah. And I remember I had this, and we'll get right into the episode. But I remember I had this with my therapist when I was dating. And I was like, because I never wanted to like text someone first. It was like something that I was always like, I remember. I remember saying to him, like, I don't want to come off like clingy and desperate and like, you know, needy and all

these things. And I'm like, I feel really uncomfortable, like reaching out to someone first or reaching even just like texting them at all. And he was like, just by the nature of you having that fear, you're never going to come off as like clingy and desperate and annoying because like people again who are come off that way are not worried about coming off that way. So like, however uncomfortable it makes you, like, just remember that you're like literally 10% on the scale of the 100% person who's like the most annoying nonstop text or harassing someone. Totally. Great point. I actually, I love it. So you can lean a little bit the other way. Exactly. All right, let's get into our show. Let's get into our show. I will read our first email. Dear Dr. Naomi and Jordana, I love you both. Thank you for being my

unofficial therapists. Love it. I can't believe I'm writing this in, but these feelings are eating me alive. I have a very close friend. We do everything together, and we are very much those best friends who act married to each other. She's my emergency contact. I love her so much, and I'm so thankful to have her in my life. Now to the issue at hand. She has recently started dating someone. He's particularly cool, is super successful, and has a very cool job that anyone would be jealous of. They've only been seeing each other for a few months, but I find myself being jealous, and I hate every second of feeling this way. Here's the thing. I have a boyfriend. I'm very much in love with. We have been together for over three years, and I see myself marrying him in the near

future. I'm very happy in my relationship. So why can't I be happy for her? I can't decide if my jealousy is just a weird, made-up jealousy about this elite, fictitious future they could have. jealousy that I'm losing my best friend or she is replacing me in some way or jealousy because my relationship doesn't measure up in some way. I feel so icky about feeling this way and I want to just be happy for her. For additional contacts back in the early days of my relationship, she and I did have a falling out because she got jealous of my relationship and how much time I spent with my boyfriend. We got through it, but I also wonder if there's residual hurt coming back up now that the roles are reversed or is this just par for the course in close friendships. I feel terrible. What is wrong with me?

How do I make it better? I think the reality is her last sentence. I think this is par for the course in close friendships. Not always, but I do think this is so common. It's because of the so many, I mean, lots of reasons. One, the initial, her friend being jealous of her or like having issues when she first got her boyfriend, that's like afraid of being left behind, you know, like afraid that she's going to, you know.

Anxiety about her own. Yes. Path, yeah. And now it seems like because she does have a boyfriend also and it's not like a fear of being left behind. It seems like it's more just this maximizing mindset. Right. And I think that there's in many friendships and it doesn't mean that they're bad friendships.

It doesn't mean that they're like toxic friendships. But I do think there's a little bit of an underlying silent competition in a lot of friendships, which again, doesn't make them bad. But like we're human. part of what we do to protect ourselves is compare. Yes. Right. And so she's like, okay, I was ahead.

And now my friend is with this guy who, you know, maybe they're going to be like in a different social circle or they're going to be richer or they're going to be like, she's outpacing me now in terms of like status, which again doesn't mean that the friendship is like bad, but I think that it's a, it's natural to kind of notice these things. Yes. Yeah, I do. I wonder it's just such a dirty word. And everyone, I hear this all the time. Like people talking about, what's the dirty word? Jealousy. Right. Jealousy is like it makes people feel so shameful. It makes me, like I get it. I think when jealousy like unbridled, uncontrolled, unaware, worse of all. Unaware is the worst. Yes. When you're not, when you're not aware of it, it just,

turns into like little passive aggressive. And I think people get shamed for feeling jealousy, whether internally or externally. Like the idea of being jealous, I think, makes people, people don't want to admit that they're jealous because it makes them seem self-centered. It makes them seem, you know, like not a good friend. Yes. Not someone who's happy for others. Yes.

Only thinking about themselves. And like, I don't really think that that's fair. I think, again, like you said, uncontrolled jealousy where you're doing things. to sabotage someone else or you're, you know, saying mean things or you're talking shit about someone behind their back. That's like a different story. But I think it's okay to be jealous sometimes. Right. And if you make it okay, then you bring it to consciousness, then, you know, it's not going to turn into what I think everyone's afraid is going to turn into, which is like, I'm not happy for you. Whereas like, I can be happy for you.

Like we always talk about emotions are moments, right? Like I can have this moment where I see you work on a double date and I'm with my partner and you're with your partner and we're all connecting and I see you having a great time where I'm really happy for you. But then I have another moment where I hear that you're, you know, going to go on a three-week trip to Europe and I have to work at a job that I don't really like where I'm like, I feel a little jealous in this moment. It's a great point.

You know, I think that if you can own that and like kind of do the thing where you watch your body, where does jealousy live in your body? It probably lives in a different place than like anxiety or grief or. So just noticing what jealousy feels like and owning it. Even I think saying it out loud is like sometimes with my patients, I'll be like, so you're jealous. And they're like, no, I'm not jealous. I'm like, okay. What other words would you like to use? And I think in some circumstances it feels more socially acceptable than others.

like, you know, I've talked about jealousy with friends who get pregnant or things like that or people who have kids. And I think to, for that, it's maybe more of a, there's a clear struggle going on. So it's almost more acceptable. I think that's a, that's a more acceptable time to feel jealous. But in her case, I could see why she'd be like, this feels like, I'm doing well. Like, like to say that I'm jealous here makes me sound superficial, makes me sound like I'm not happy in my own relationship. Right. I don't like what I have going on. And I think that that's, that's probably a reason why she wouldn't say to her friend, I'm feeling jealous of you.

Right. Right. Because I think it's admitting to this like maximizing mindset where it's like, I have a boyfriend. I love him very much. But could he be a little cooler? Yeah. Could he be a little richer? Yeah.

And so you're almost feel very ungrateful, which is another feeling that doesn't feel great that people are kind of shameful of feeling like jealous and ungrateful. And also like unhappy with their own situation, like almost just even to say that, even to say like, yeah, I wish my boyfriend made more money. Yeah. That feels like something you can't unsay and I can understand why she would never say that to her friend because then it's like that's out there. Oh, she, you know, she's unhappy with that aspect or it's a, it's a thing. Yes. And it does. It almost feels like you're disrespecting your own when it comes to a relationship. Yeah.

Like even if you, you know, and I see this all the time in parenting circles, like you love your kids so much. You think your kids are amazing. But like there's going to be a kid that's like smarter than your kid or like more athletic. Better behaved. And you're like, oh, like I, you know, there is a shame in this feeling of like, oh, I wish my kid was like a little more athletic or I wish my kid was like school came a little bit easier to them or, you know, they were, had a different personality that was more go with the flow. And it feels like even as I'm verbalizing these words in this moment, I'm feeling a little bit like, oh, that doesn't feel good to feel that way about someone that I love so much. And like I would like I almost don't want to put it into the universe

that I'm not thankful for this thing that I have because maybe, you know, God will come down and like make my boyfriend break up to me, break up with me because, you know, he heard that. I took him for Granted. Yes, because I took, even if it's just in the privacy of your own thoughts. It's like kind of crazy that like your own private thoughts could affect, you know, how the universe plays out. Yeah, I totally agree. And I also think another part of this, which she should also like understand is that

the friend is in a new relationship, which always looks a lot glossier than a relationship that's three plus years that people are probably overly affectionate or doing all these new things together, very excited to be together. And again, that's not to say like, you should. wish that that phase is over and she gets to see what it's really like. Yeah. But I think it's something to keep in mind like you're seeing the best version of this thing. And I think anything older compared to something new is going to feel a little bit different.

Yeah, 100%. But I'm glad that you're acknowledging it. And what can you do? I think you just, you know, become aware of it and don't try not to let it affect the way that you're interacting with her and her boyfriend because we see this all the time people that don't want to admit they're jealous then she just makes like a little negative comment right about the boyfriend or maybe like doesn't want him to come to something or looking for other flaws in him right make up for this yeah and I think that's also it's also about looking

inward and instead of looking what's lacking from your relationship look think about the things that you really appreciate about your boyfriend yeah think about the things that like he has that's unique to him that you really love about him because I think you I think I think I heard this relationship advice somewhere. And it was basically like if you focus on the things that like the good things that someone has, that's what you're going to see. That's what your relationship is going to be. And if you focus on what's missing from your relationship, that's what's, that's what your relationship is going to be. Yes. And people do that all the time in every relationship where it's like if you're annoyed about something with someone, your mind is going to seek

out confirmation about the thing. Yes. Oh, there he did it. again. Oh, look. Oh, my gosh, she's doing it again, you know, every which way. So I totally agree. If, you know, I would focus on the things that you love about your life, your boyfriend, and just catch yourself trying to maximize. Like, you're fine. You're not going to be that much happier, you know, if whatever level you get to, if you're used to going to on fancy vacations, you just get used to going on fancy vacations. Then you need an even fancier vacation or a longer vacation or a different vacation to feel the way that rush. Yeah, that rush, exactly.

Yeah. And I think if she allows, if she accepts the jealousy, allows it to live within her, she'll have more room for positive thoughts also. Yeah. Instead of trying to push away the jealousy, if she like owns it in turn. Like when she's feeling it, just say, oh, I'm feeling, I'm feeling a little jealous. Yep. It's okay.

It's okay. Yeah. It's human. It's normal. It's actually, you know, really, really wired into us. We figure out how we're doing based on how other people are doing. Good luck with that. Let us know if you're able to do that.

Yeah. I agree. All right. Let's do a betchesist. All right. I will read this. Dear Naomi and Judana obviously love the pod. So my dilemma is about my sister-in-law's husband.

Before I get into the dilemma, I should say my sister-in-law and I are very close. We've always been close and I look at her as one of my closest friends as well as family. Her and her husband have been having a tough time recently and started marriage counseling. She doesn't get into too much detail about their issues, but has mentioned things need improvement so they're working on their marriage. So my dilemma, our daughters are the same age and they go to the same dance class every Saturday morning. Most of the time my sister-in-law and her husband come together and we just chat throughout

the class and hang out afterwards. But recently her husband will come alone and will complain and really talk shit on my sister-in-law. It's very awkward because I'm not sure what to say. I don't want to get involved, but not sticking up for my sister-in-law feels bad too. Her husband will say things like, she's so controlling, bitches all the time, is naggy, selfish, and makes vague comments about not being happy with their sex life. I don't know if I should mention this to my sister-in-law or just keep tuning him out during these bitching sessions. Any help would be great. Dance mom batch.

This is super uncomfortable. Yeah. I'm assuming when she says my sister-in-law's husband, because like that's her brother-in-law, she means her husband's sister's husband. That's what I think. Yeah. That's what I was thinking about that too. Yeah.

Right. Because it wouldn't be, I assume it wouldn't be like her brother's wife because then she's calling her brother. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, this is really weird. And we're like, you know, a uncomfortable situation to be in.

Yeah. He's just like oozing and he needs to get it together. Like this is not the place. And in front of like sitting in public. Right. Inappropriate. Yeah. Inappropriate to like talk about your sex life with your like someone related to that person.

Yes. When you don't have a level of intimacy. Totally. Really crazy. Yeah. And it's kind of sad that the sister-in-law thinks that they're like working on the marriage and is like talking about it in a constructive way and he's just like over there talking shit about her. Yeah.

I mean, look, we don't know if the sister-in-law is doing the same thing. It doesn't sound like she doesn't sound like she's doing it. She's probably not, actually, because it doesn't sound like she's doing it with this listener who's one of her best friends. Like when she's asking her about it, she's like, we're working on it. She's not like going off on him. So I could see why she probably feels. Right.

Doubly bad. I think it's my first order of action would be to just say, you know, I have to cut you off. I really don't want. want to hear about the details of what's going on. It makes me kind of uncomfortable and I'd rather not talk about it. Yeah, I agree. I think that's the first line of defense before getting yourself involved in telling the sister-in-law and starting a whole thing, which is inevitably going to make it all worse. Yeah. Yeah, I would start with that. I think if he kept doing it after that, I think I would be like, again, this makes me feel really uncomfortable. I'm going to have to tell her

that you're saying all these things to me because you're putting me in a really weird position. And then if it kept going on, I would just tell her. Yeah. And at that point, he, like, wants her to know. Yeah, this is really uncomfy. I don't know if he's, you know, I don't know if he's trying to get her advice or if he's like, I don't know what he's looking for. If he thinks she's going to commiserate because she knows her, which she's not.

I also think some people are just so. filled with rage that they don't they're unable to read the room yeah if he's coming alone maybe they just came off a fight or something like he's bringing the daughter alone and maybe it's like fresh whatever yeah or just kind of like feels unheard like no one is listening to him or something like that like my dad used to do this kind of thing a lot you know talking about our about our mom yeah i remember once like we were at a blockbuster she's back in the obviously a long time ago yeah and he was taking me and my friends to get a video. And then like there was a video that was like there was a there was a overdue fee on a video that was returned late on like our mom's account. And he started

like telling the block, the guy behind the counter blockbuster just like how irresponsible mom was and like all these details about their divorce. And I remember being mortified. Mortified. And again, I don't think he was like, you know, is he trying to turn the blockbuster guy against mom? know, I think he's like uncontrollable, like uncontrolled anger issues and maybe feels unheard or there's no one to vent to or something like that. Yes. It's like, yeah, that's when you know you need a therapist. Yes, when you just like how you need an outlet.

And look, I always say therapies, you know, it's in part, a lot of people do use it just to vent, which is fine. You can do that for a period of time. And initially, I think a lot of people come in in their first few sessions. they just need to do that and like just get that all out. And then once you do that, then you could start the work. But yeah, I think there's a, you know,

you could, you could just say it makes me uncomfortable or you could say, you know, she mentioned that you two are in therapy. It's probably better to discuss this there than, and you can look around than here. Like right. In public. With me.

With me. Right. So I think if you can find, I know it's uncomfortable and you're shutting him down, but that's what you're going to have to do. Like you may even need to interrupt. him and say, I'm sorry to cut you off. I, this is really making me uncomfortable.

I love her. I love you both. I don't want to be in the middle of this. Right. I feel like there should be some sort of scale for like the further away from that someone is from you in terms of like closeness and like intimate relationship that you're telling things to, the more you're like, you know. Right.

You're a little unhinged meter goes up. Yeah, it's true. Start, you know, a 10 is blockbuster. of five is your sister-in-law's sister, you know, whatever this is. Yeah, no, I agree. All right, let's do some intentions. Okay. I'll read them.

Hi, Jordana and Dr. Naomi absolutely love over sharing. I think you're both incredible. I'm writing in to you in need of an intention. I feel like I've been having an existential crisis recently. The news is overwhelming in general, but I found myself especially spooked by articles about AI. I'm linking an article I stumbled across a couple of days ago in New York Magazine. It's called Everyone is Cheating Their Way Through College. I've been feeling unsettled about the yuckiness of the world lately and how everything feels so robotic, so focused on screens and clicks and algorithms.

I feel disgusted and anxious looking around at everyone constantly tied to their phones, myself included. This isn't me trying to be holier than now. But for some reason, this article really exacerbated feelings of helplessness for me. One part talks about how students will use AI to do their work, and then some professors will use AI to grade it, which raises the possibility that AIs are now evaluating AI generated papers, reducing the entire academic exercise to a conversation between two robots, or maybe even just one. Like, what is the point of anything? Where is the realness, the humanity? I tried asking myself if my unease about this is about people cheating and getting away with stuff when I had to go through school without AI. Am I just an old curmudgeon bemoaning kids these days? But I genuinely don't think that's what it is. My husband's point of view is that people probably had the same fears when the internet started being more widely used, but this feels like it's on a way bigger scale.

An enormous, scary leap from where things were only a couple of years ago. I just feel so sad about how fake, gross, and meaningless the world seems. If robots are going to do our learning, interacting, writing, even our art, then what is the meaning of life at all? I wasn't kidding when I said this is leading me to a full-on existential crisis, LOL. Exacerating this is that I have a one-year-old baby and looking at her innocent, curious face, eagerly trying to understand the world around her, brings me so much joy, but also so much sadness imagining her losing all curiosity and interest

in just asking a robot to do all of her thinking for her in a few years. I'm not exaggerating when I say this feels apocalyptic to me. I would be so grateful for an intention for navigating these existential struggles, Thank you, overwhelmed by AI. Oh, I feel this. I feel her. Like, I might not, I don't have anxiety about tornadoes, but like I can, when I read this, and I didn't read the whole entire article, like I kind of just poked around at it.

And I could see why it's freaking her out. It's really scary to think about how disconnected. we, you know, could become and just kind of all turn into consumers of robots. Even with my kids, like I know we talk about social media and, you know, all, you know, that kind of stuff with kids and TikTok and all that. But even like, Lila will spend 10 times more time texting her friends than actually hanging out with them. And it drives me.

Right. nuts. But like, I can't control it. I'm like, why don't you guys hang out instead of just sitting in your homes texting each other? Right. It's probably especially scary for that generation who feel like, at least for us or for you, I remember you telling me like in college, if someone wanted to call you, they had to call your dorm room and you happened, you had to like happen to be there.

Yeah. Right. As imposed, I mean, me, I didn't have like eye message. You took probably like in the beginning, you know, in high school, it took you like five minutes to write a text because you had to do that T9. Right. word thing. But it's sort of become easier and easier to not look at someone in the eye.

Yes. Not look at them in the eye. Like just, I don't know. There's just no even what we're doing now. Like I see you, but like we're not sharing energy. We're not in the same space. And I really can see, like coming back to her question around like learning and you're completing the assignment, but there's no critical thinking.

right you're just not writing something off a list but I think that there is like you know it has it it is incremental and like her husband said with the internet like I remember even in high school you know you had if you didn't want to read the book you could buy the spark notes thing that they sold at Barnes & Noble and that would give you like the spark notes and then now you don't need spark notes you can just Google the book online and find the plot there but like there have been iterations of this kind of thing where you're like a little bit cheating taking away a little bit of the nuance of reading the whole book. And the person who's really, you know, the person who really gets punished by that is the person doing the assignment who doesn't learn what they, what they could

be learning and maximize their own experience by not really doing the assignment or really understanding the project. Like you're really only, especially in something like college where like you're paying tens of thousands of dollars to go there. It's like, okay, I cheated. Like jokes on you. Right. You paid all this money to not learn anything. Totally. So like that's on, but I see what she's saying. And I think as it becomes more and more infiltrated into everyday life, and there's the social media and there's like, you know, everything is sort of polished and prepped and looks like an advanced version of itself, you're kind of losing the real grit of what you see in the real world. Yes. And that to me is, I think, the worst part of it is, and it's interesting because I

just learned this fact about the human brain, which is there is an area of the human. brain called the anterior mid-singulate cortex, which that's irrelevant. But it is an area of the brain that research is really starting to show that grows when you do things you don't want to do. And so this idea, like we all, most of us have the experience of like, oh my gosh, I have a 10-page paper. I don't feel like doing it. My friends are going out. Whatever's happening. Like, I just need to sit home. I need to get this done. and it actually is strengthening your brain. And for those of you that are like,

I don't care, like, why do I need that part of my brain to be strong? It is shown to increase. This area of the brain is larger in people that have longer lifespans. And so it's almost like you have grit, you use the word grit, that it like increases your will to live in some respects. or like allows you to persevere through difficult things.

Right. It's better for your brain. And when you're doing this, you're like kind of getting in the way of your own evolution. Like you're making yourself kind of stagnant and weak. Yes. And I've read like a lot of longevity books and exactly what you're saying is like the key to living longer is making yourself uncomfortable,

whether that's like literally being really cold like, or being really hot, like physically or being hungry sometimes. Right. Or learning something new or like, like you said, like putting yourself in a result, your genes like stretch or something. Yes, yes. It's really fascinating. It is really fascinating.

And it's interesting to see like it's, you know, this area of the brain is larger in athletes. It's larger in people that are challenging themselves. And so, you know, yes, we could say they're cheating themselves. and but I think the piece that's really concerning is like the human disconnection like this idea. There's something about, I'm sure you've had this experience in college where like you understand a concept you're talking to a professor who understands the concept. You're like kind of going back and forth, bouncing ideas off of each other and like connecting

intellectually. And that's really stimulating. That's like an amazing aspect of being human. I mean, that's why I love doing this with. you. Like, that's what we're doing here. Yeah. If I was using AI for everything, it would be like really boring. Right. Or going on a walk with a friend is like probably as healthy as texting all day with them about nothing. But I think like for this thing and a lot of other things, I mean, like, to me, this has had a similarity between people who were anxious about the state of the world or

climate change or, you know, fight like, you know, wars and things like that is that like, of course you can do things like, you know, to try to mitigate that on a grander scale. But like really the best thing you can do is live the life that you want to see. Yeah. So in this case, it's like, yeah, okay, like the best antidote to this fear of like disconnection is to, is to do things that connect you and to have your child experience things that connect them to your life. Yes. Like you can only control, you know, your own Instagram feed, your own. Totally. Yeah, I agree. So just like, you know, you you obviously found this article by you know some form of media that you're allowing into your brain and that's fine allow media in but when you know i think the idea of like noticing when you're

having this trigger as your little warning bell going off for yourself like i need to disconnect from you know computers internet all that and i need to reconnect to something in front of me nature, the smell of my baby's head, the, you know, holding my partner's hand, you know, something that's real and right in front of you, having an in-person conversation. And I do think you, you know, your point exactly this idea of when we have these big existential fears of like the what's happening in the world and then we want to change all of it. What we really need to do is change what's right in front of us. And I actually, another interesting research study that I recently stumbled on this week was around

Transcendental Meditation, which I wanted to share with the listeners, because whether it's this fear or other, you know, political fear of what's happening in the state of the world. And the study showed that if one percent, and this has been repeated many, many times, if 1% of a population engages in transcendental meditation, which I can explain is just like a different type of meditation. I haven't tried it yet. I'm actually going to be signing up to try it. But if 1% of a population engages in transcendental meditation, there is a statistical decrease in

conflict in that community. So. I've read this somewhere. Yeah. Yes. It's like. Fascinating. It's fascinating.

It's like crime rates go down. Automobile accidents can go down. Like just there's a general just chilling the fuck out on like a bigger picture scale when you get 1% of the population to it. It's basically my understanding is you have to do a training. But then after that it's like 20 minutes in the morning, 20 minutes at night. Maybe they should be teaching that in schools. Yes.

You can't have AI transcendentally meditate for you. Yes, totally. I mean, I do, I always say I do think that meditation should be like PE, like part of your PE class. You know, actually the first time I experienced meditation was in a health class in high school where they had us do it all at our desks. And I remember feeling like very, very relaxed after. And it was and then I think my second time was with you in Florida where you took me to like this class. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that. But I totally think that I think it's funny people would rather do anything else than nothing. Yes, it's so true. Especially little kids.

I get it. It's hard. They can work their way in. But I mean, it's great. You know, you can go to be an activist and do all that stuff. But another really great way to affect the world around you is just to be quiet, turn inward. Find your own peace. If you find your own peace, you won't be so craving, controlling other people.

Right. Can I ask you, what is the difference between regular meditation and transcendental meditation? Yeah. So again, I haven't experienced transcendental meditation. But my understanding is regular meditation is focused on like you find a point, an anchor point, like a point of focus like your breath or the sounds in your space or a mantra or something like that. I think they do use mantra in transcendental meditation. But transcendental meditation from what I understand, and I'm going to get back to you in about

three months with the answer, because I'm going to do this or less, hopefully, is more of like an open-ended, open consciousness. So it's almost like just sitting in awareness, but not like with not so, so like regular kind of breath meditation, you know, they'll show that it affects your focus, ability to focus more. Like that's a benefit that you get from like a breath meditation ability to focus. Transcendental meditation, the benefits are more around like relaxation, calm body, like real blissful kind of relaxing sensation versus the meditation that I typically practice, which is more like I'm going to choose a point of focus to kind of take my mind off of wherever it wants to go.

Got it. All right. Well, what do you use for this transcendental meditation? Maybe we can do it alongside you. Yeah. I mean, I, there's basically like a transcendental. It seems like there's like one big foundation that has teachers all over the world that you can go to. And the irony coming back to what she's talking about is it must be done at least partially in person. Interesting.

You cannot learn to do this virtually. So you have to take a class with a human being. Oh, out. Forget it. So and the initial session is like you one-on-one alone with a teacher. And then after that, it moves to group meditation session. So I think there's something about like the shared energy in the space that enhances the effects. Yes, then you go home and you meditate on your own.

But they will not offer an entirely. virtual training class in this. You have to be in person. Very cool. All right. I might check it out. Be the change you wish to see. Is that your intention?

Yes. That sounds like a perfect intention. And yeah. And the only thing I would say just to add and wrap this up is that again, kind of bringing it back to our first conversation, if you're the kind of person who is extremely paranoid about feeling disconnected through all this AI stuff, you're probably not just going to be like an autopilot, robotic back and forth. like that's probably not going to be you because you're so afraid of that happening.

Yes. Yeah. And it's probably not going to be your daughter. Yeah. I would agree. It's funny because the guests that we had visiting, she's like in media. She's kind of like a PR person. She's very connected in that world.

And she's like among many other people that are kind of like, how do you not have an Instagram like what the fuck? And I've heard that many times. And I think it is because I noticed. that there is such a, whenever I have posted things on social media, like I just get this, like, I get sucked in to this world of like checking and affirmations. And so for me, it just is way better for my own, everything we're talking about to like stay present in my real life and not be sucked into my phone and a media world.

Yeah. that, you know, I really don't, you know, when I was talking to someone, she's like, I think you can like exercise some self-control. And then it made me think like, okay, maybe I should do it and like exercise some self-control. It's Pandora's box. Yeah, exactly. No, I think people, it's hard to go back. Yes.

So if you're not in it, I think that's great. It's very hard to like wean off the addiction. But it's funny because I think when people say they're off social, it comes off as like, I'm like holier than now. Yeah. But it actually is because you know that you're not. Yes. You know, you're getting rid of the addiction.

Yes. Or the addictive temptation. Yeah, it's true. And I mean, it's hard. You can always use it, you know, to maximize. Like, it's such an obvious way to maximize and even becoming aware of that. Like, what am I trying to do if I were to get an Instagram? I'm trying to maximize something that is fine just the way it is.

Good luck with that. I'm going to try. I'm going to try that. intention too. Yes, I love it. All right, well, let's do some triggers. It's our first triggers of voicemail. Hi, Jordana and Dr. Naomi. He's seen the podcast. I am calling in right after a triggered situation, so it could be in a state of reacting, but I wanted to get your take. I am in the car, home from work, and as I was just getting into my car, I was in the part. I was in the parking lot for a bit, putting my home address into my phone when I hear a knock on my window.

And at this point, it's a little bit after five, so everybody's kind of winding down. But one of my supervisors was, had me rolled on my window, and then ended up asking me to go back upstairs and set up my computer and stuff again to discuss one of our projects. And the whole thing I just found a little bit disrespectful. I was really kind of frustrated. It felt like not respecting my work life boundaries. And it's a little bit silly, but I was just so triggered. So I'm curious to hear your take.

Thanks so much and love the show. Bye. This is so funny because it's like the boss was like doing the thing. We just like doing an IRL window top of like and that it does be. It's funny, that does feel like especially jarring. Yes, yes. He, because the truth is, Balzy. If he would have texted her and said, hey, can you come back up?

She would have pretended that she never saw it and went home and been like, sorry, just saw this. I'm already home. Or it just feels like much more dramatic. It's funny. Like it's not really dramatic, but it feels much more dramatic to be like, hey, where are you going? Yes. Yes. Harder to do. I'm like almost impressed. I am like, he went downstairs, found her car, and knocked on the window. That's crazy.

Totally. Yeah, I don't know. I don't like I had the same feeling you did. Like I kind of maybe just on the heels of the conversation that we just had. Like I think there's something cool about like the in real life. Like I'm here. I'm asking you for something and it's much harder to say no. Or I'm looking you in the eye and asking you to like not leave work yet. Yeah. I mean, look, I obviously see why she was triggered. Even physiologically, like I could hear it in her voice. Like I felt bad for her. I could hear in her voice that this just happened and how triggered she was. Physiologically, the idea of like having your window tapped on in and of itself feels like there's someone in my vicinity close enough to tap on my car window.

Startling. So that probably got her going. I think it depends on how he asked. Like I think if he asked by saying like, hey, I know you're on your way out. Here's the reasons why this needs to be done right now and cannot wait until tomorrow. Really appreciate it. Would you mind? Would you mind?

Then part of me is kind of like, all right, it's a job. It wasn't 9.30 at night. It was like just after five. If he asked you really nicely, I don't think it's quite as triggering. if he was like, knocks on the windows, like, I'm going to need you to come back upstairs.

Right. And it's scary, like authoritarian tone. I agree. That would be a little different, in my opinion. Yeah. I mean,

I could see why this would be like, okay, take the triggered out of it. This is like annoying. She's like, all right, I'm leaving. Yeah.

I wouldn't call it like disrespecting your work, life balance. Again, like to reiterate what you were saying, it's not like he called her at 830. and asked her to come back in when she was like already home.

Like she's still technically there. Maybe she left a little early given like the workload that happened. Again, I don't know like the specifics of what she needed to do or maybe there's a deadline. And like, I mean, everyone's kind of like working. I assume people don't just like want you to work for fun. Like they have their own deadlines and their own things that they need to get done in a certain amount of time. So I'm trying to think like would she be as triggered if it was a text? Right. Probably not. I think she's writing in because of the in-person interaction, which I,

like I said, I almost give them credit for usurping the technology. And yeah, there's not quite enough context because I think, you know, we could be getting a triggered scenario from him who's kind of like, I have this employee. She knows that there's this project that's due at this date. It was 502 and she's sitting in her car in the parking lot about to leave when she's aware that this thing isn't finished or it needs to be finished. And so I had to walk, I had to walk all the way downstairs to make sure that I caught her before she left. I don't, I don't know the details of the project and how hard everyone else is working and

whether or not maybe she skirted out a little bit early. It's kind of hard. Yeah, I agree. think it's all in the way that he asked. And maybe like apologizing if I startled you. Yes. Perhaps. Yes.

But yeah, I don't know what she's like as an employee. I don't know if like she's consistently leaving early when there's stuff that needs to be done. Yeah, it's jarring to have something in person kind of like it feels like it's your space. But again, he's like outside your car. I think if he asked in like a rude way, maybe like a six, if he was nice about it. it maybe like a three. Yeah. It does feel like you're in trouble if someone is knocking on your window.

It definitely does feel. Yeah. And the triggering literally in her body was probably like extremely triggering because she was startled. So now your heart's kind of racing and everything that ensues after that feels like a threat. Right. Because you're in threat, you know, fight or flight mode.

So I totally agree with that. If he was rude and annoying and not like kind of explaining why it needed to be done, like to me, that's important. important, right? If I'm pulling you out of your car that you've already gotten in, this better be important and need to happen now. Otherwise, it's just like a passive, aggressive. I have, yes. Yes. Yes. If it doesn't need to be done then for some reason, then it just feels like I can tell you what to do. And I'm just going to do it because I can, which I agree that that would be more like a six versus, Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry.

This really isn't done, needs to be done today. I wanted to catch you before you left. Yes. Yeah. I think this is going to be unpopular opinion. I think a lot of people are going to feel like the boss coming downstairs, going outside, knocking on your window when you've already left is very triggering. I mean, but there's more questions.

Did you leave before you like things were done? Right. And it's, you know, it's funny because it's like, were she planning on logging in when she went when she went home like there's there needs to be more context but i do think like the blanket excuse of like respect my personal my like work life balance it's like yes but like things are nuanced things are in flux like if there's something that really needed to be done that they needed you for like yeah again he looked you in the eye you know what i think that's getting me like on the heels of our last question i'm like yes man

face to face do it knock on the window i hope you don't hate us but yeah sorry let us know what you think in the spotify comments yeah all right let's do one more you want to read it yes i'll read the last one hi ladies long time listener and love all that you do i wanted to get your take on this triggered scenario we're catholic and i asked my sister to be godfather to my son and this entails being present the day of the ceremony followed by a brunch afterwards i cleared the dates with her about two months prior and she said she could attend. About a month before my sister lets me know, she will only be able to attend the ceremony and need to skip out on the brunch because she signed up for scuba diving certification that same day. Am I wrong for being incredibly hurt by this? Aside from the randomness

of the certification, we live in Cali, so not a big deal. I'm so hurt and annoyed that she did this. I cleared the dates ahead of time and yes, while the ceremony is the quote important part, it seems like this isn't being taken seriously. We sent out invites based on everyone's availability and planned a beautiful brunch for family following and the day really is to celebrate my son and the godparents. I felt it was so special to ask her to be my son's godmother and express the importance and significance of this. I feel extremely triggered and especially as it was presented, quote, I'll be there for the ceremony, but then have to leave hope it's okay, exclamation point. How trigger can I be? A no sco.

for me, Batch. This is kind of funny. It's like so random. I find this triggering. Like the whole thing is for you. The brunch is part of the thing. And like, perfect example.

I wanted to sign up for my Transcendental Meditation class this weekend. Okay. That was my, I said to Jeff, I'm going to do this class. It's May 24th, whatever the day was. It's a three day thing.

He's like, oh, I already told my friend, which I committed to, that we would go to his house for dinner on Sunday. So I'm like, okay, I can't do the Transcendental Meditation class this weekend. We committed to plans. It's not my godson's, you know, it's not a ceremony for me becoming a godmother. It's a dinner at a friend's house. And I am going to do my class a different time. Yeah.

I agree. This is annoying. It sounds like she is not thinking it's as important. as the listener is or doesn't care as much. It doesn't feel as honored. Doesn't feel as like. And again, it's not even like she's just a regular attendee. She is the godmother.

So it does feel like, oh, you don't even care that I, you know, I'm trying to like make this special moment for you. She's like the guest of honor. It's like not going to your own baby shower. Right. Yeah. And again, it's not like she said that when she originally had the date. She made the scuba diving plans.

After. After, which is like the particularly annoying part. I agree. This is triggering. What is it? Maybe it's like a rebellion against the Catholic thing or something. Maybe she's not religious so she doesn't like think it matters that much. It seems like there must be something bigger here.

Maybe she thinks like, okay, I'm going to the important part. I, you know, I'm going to the ceremony. That's like the part where I'm being honored. And yeah, I guess. Yeah, maybe. I, I don't. I think she could definitely say something. I wonder if she has kids.

Maybe they're speaking of like. I doubt she has kids. I feel like that would be sort of stated in it. Or like you wouldn't just go for like a, I would assume a scuba diving certifications like a lot. Right. It seems like an avoidant. There's some kind of like an avoidant thing here.

Like she, I'm sure could have done this scuba diving thing any, any time. Maybe there is some avoidance of leaning into this. Maybe she doesn't love the role of like, you know, I guess godmother has some responsibilities. Like if you guys die, I guess that's on her. Right. You know, she might just be scubaing. We don't want the responsibility. Like, how do you say no to that?

You know? Right. It's a big ask and I guess I don't know. Maybe I'm, I could be overthinking it. I think it's worth a conversation for her too. It'd be like, hey, it kind of hurt me that like I felt like I felt like it was really special, important thing. And like it feels like you don't think it's that important.

Just like the way that you mentioned signing up for the scuba class, which again, you signed up for after we already planned the date. Like I was a little hurt by that. Yes. I would not approach it with anger. I would approach it with like, this makes me sad. and I'm also curious if there's something about this whole thing that's making you uncomfortable, like whether it's the maybe something about the church or maybe something about just the role itself.

Is it something? Maybe I didn't ask you. Like maybe I made it more of like, you must do this. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Like maybe it's something that you don't feel comfortable with. And if that's the case, I want you to be able to tell me that.

and I can choose somebody else if it's not something that you're really into. Not even like I'm going to pick somebody else way, but just like if it's me, I mean, it's funny because we were just like doing our wills and guardianship. And, you know, sometimes Jeff and I will be like driving down the highway late at night and some car comes flying down. And I'm like, oh my God, if we both like die right now, we need to figure out like what's going to happen. It's a big ask to say to someone like, will you take. our kids.

Right. If the worst thing happens. Yeah. So maybe that needed to be more of like a thoughtful conversation. I, I. Maybe. Maybe there's also something about the scuba class that she doesn't know. Yeah.

Maybe there's something tied into like some sort of other interpersonal relationship having to do with the scuba. Maybe she's seeing someone and she, you know, you ask her to do. I don't know. Yeah. Like there's something that she doesn't know about the situation that makes it. But even like in that. case, you would feel like you would explain yourself more as opposed to not going to make,

like, I'll be at the ceremony, hope that's okay. Yeah, just like, again, super apologetic. I know that I committed. I feel really bad. And if this was like her aunt who she didn't really, like, again, not like the guest of honor. Yes. A second guest of honor. Like, this was her aunt being like, hey, we have plans after, but like we'll be at the ceremony. I'd be like, that's fine. Right. But it's like the whole thing is to celebrate this relationship. I'd give it a seven. Yeah, I would actually agree with that. I please talk to her. I'm curious what's going on.

There's some avoidance here. This can't just be, I really just picked a scuba diving class at the exact time as like my godson's brunch for his, you know, following the ceremonies. Like, yeah, it just feels really strange. I'm very curious. Give us an update. Give us an update. Talk to her calmly. Maybe you threw it on her.

Maybe you know, you presented it more as like, I'm giving you this gift instead of like, do you want this responsibility. Right. And this is like a rebellion. Yeah, perhaps. All right. I'd give it a seven. Yeah, I agree with the seven.

All right. Keep us posted. But yeah, I guess that's our time. We did it. Great work today. Betches.