Panic World - The Top 10 Panics of 2024 (with Katie Notopoulos, Luke Bailey, & Adam Bumas)

Episode Date: December 18, 2024

It’s the end of the year episode, so we’re talking about some of the best — and worst — things on the internet for 2024. Joining us are friends of the pod Katie Notopoulos and Luke Bailey, plus our producer Grant Irving and the big on-air debut of our researcher, Adam Bumas. Happy holidays, panickers! Make sure to touch grass this holiday season. Follow our guests! (And researcher!) Luke Bailey @lukebailey.bsky.social Katie Notopoulos @katienotopoulos / @katienotopoulos.bsky.social Adam Bumas bumas.bsky.social Want even more Panic World content? Like ad-free episodes, bonus episodes, and access to the Garbage Day Discord? Sign up for a membership at: https://www.patreon.com/PanicWorld. Want to sponsor Panic World? Ad sales & marketing support by Multitude, hit them up here: ⁠http://multitude.productions⁠. Credits - Host: Ryan Broderick - Producer: Grant Irving - Researcher: Adam Bumas - Business Manager: Josh Fjelstad Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Luke is not allowed to tell the embarrassing stories to know us about me because they're just, they're too embarrassing, I would say. There was one time we were at a pub, right, with a French, like, mutual friend of ours. And Ryan turned around to me and Ellie, my now wife, and was like, hey, you guys don't mind if I speak French for a bit. And they're attempts to speak French. I did that? I don't even remember. Yeah, and had like 30 seconds. Because in America, Ryan's like foreign language skills are like really good because he's American.

American's no speaking in foreign languages. But like, we all did like French for like four or five years. So we have a basic, we have like basic French. And I was like, I can speak French. And then 30 seconds later, they were just like, we've come back to English. And that was very funny. Guessing, I mean, judging by the fact that I don't remember that, it could also be that I was extra.

I mean, I can't really speak French. But I was also, it seems like I was extraordinarily hammered if I have to guess. Welcome to the end of your episode of Panic World, the show about the darkest corners of the internet and all the viral witch hens and freakouts to bubble up out of them with us today is Katie Natopoulos, my former co-host on the podcast, Internet Explorer, Luke Bailey, my former co-host on the podcast, The Content Minds, Grant Irving, producer of this show, and for the first time ever appearing on Mike, Garbage Day and Panic World researcher, Adam Bumis. Hello, all three of you. Welcome to the show.

Thank you so much for having me. I feel a little, Ryan, like this is you're introducing, you know, your new person to all your access. Yes, that is what's happening. I'm doing a Scott Pilgrim. That's what this is. Before we get started, I want our guests to go around and say their favorite post of the year. Katie, how about you start us off and drop your link in the chat here. Let's all take a look.

Hold on. So this is Katie's pick. And this is the, okay. So Katie, you want to describe it for our listeners, what we're looking at here? Okay. So my post of the year was a. a YouTube video from Nikado Avocado. I think that's his name.

And it was just like the whole thing was so silly and so stupid. And I feel like I really was dropped into it because I was not really particularly familiar with this creator and his long backstory, although he is quite popular and people know about him. So basically he had been a fairly overweight guy for the years that he had been a creator. And his whole deal was he was doing muck bangs, which is like when you eat a ton of food on camera. And for whatever reason, people enjoy watching this,

that does not appeal to me, and I've never really understood that world. So he posts this video that's like, surprise. I secretly have lost a significant amount of weight over the last 10 months, or possibly even two years or something. thing. And I hid off camera while during this period while I lost all this weight. And then the way he talks about it when he like comes out, and he's not like, hey, everyone, look, I lost some weight. He's like, you idiots, you pawns, you robs, I fooled you all, you're putty in my hands. I am always two steps ahead. So I am.

I am the villain because I've made myself one. And you will continue to consume these stories about me year after here after year. For as long as I tell the internet that I am the villain. And it's like really like what, what's going on man? I don't understand. It was, I mean, it was just, and people on the internet were freaking out.

It was like huge news. And I found this so baffling, so weird. That's my post of the year. I'd say it's very definitive of the vibe of 2024, actually. I mean, I think my favorite post of the... And again, the post of the year is like such an odd category. Is it favorite? Is it like the worst post?

But I think the post of the year has to be Kamala as Brat from Charlie XX. I mean, it's fascinating from a purely British point of view because Charlie XXX to Americans is a very different thing. Right. Well, what Americans don't necessarily on a 7th at Charlie SCX is that she is like basically an Essex who's lived in Dahlston for 10 years and like hung out at Doulston and Supers. Let me translate. Let me translate. It's like she is a new, uh, a long island, uh, rich girl who moved to Bushwick.

That's what he just said. That was going to be my thing. That was going to, I was going to say New Jersey and Bushwick. Yeah. Yeah. It is exactly that. Yeah. No, she's hanging out of Dolson Super Bowl, which I think I'm pretty sure I'm the opposite year old flat.

Um, but like, yeah. her kind of tweet on that one day as, and if you've heard any of the kind of like Biden, the Harris team stuff afterwards where they're trying to figure out like, they were like, we had 107 days to define her. They got completely derailed for two weeks by this like one like Essex girl saying, Essex girl, club kid being like, yeah, no, I think she's this indefinable thing that no one couldn't be sure of because the entire point about it is that is indefinable. And I find that incredibly funny.

Okay. Are you guys ready for my post of the, my personal, post of the year. So Luke said it was the Brat Summer tweet. Katie says it's Nicado Avocados reveal that he's actually thin. My post of the year, and the very stupid reason why I wanted to start with this entire segment is a post to our huffing community titled, Every Time 11 huffs fine, 12 huffs poop man come I. And it's a photo of what appears to be a Redditor who's huffing spider killer. Every time he huffs it 12 times, he poops his bed. That's good stuff

I've been laughing about this for weeks These pots are fake right Like there are people who know it's a joke All I know is every It's spelled so wrong Every and it's all like Every time 11 huffs fine 12 o'huffs poop

And it's a photo of like a bag covered in shitstance and spider killer So yeah That was it That's the whole reason I wanted to know your favorite post so I could show you this one. All right. Let's get started, shall we? Today, we are doing a year-end recap of all the biggest freakouts and viral meltdowns of the year. Our lovely researcher, Adam, has put together 10 that he believes are definitive.

We will be going from 10 to the one, one being the most important. And it's up to me, Katie and Luke, who do not know what this list is to decide if Adam is correct and if the order is correct. So we will be debating and discussing these. So to kick us off, Adam, what was the 10th most important viral freakout of 2024? Can I just clarify? Yes. The criteria is most important. I have my own criteria.

What is your criteria? I have my own criteria. I should have talked about this. So these are ranked by basically how much damage they did. Okay. And so my number 10 is one that basically didn't do anything for anyone involved or even like the people who were panicking. RFK Jr.'s many, many dead animals.

This feels right. I think you can't really have this list without RFK. Katie, what's your favorite dead animal that RFK has been accused of allegedly eating? So I got to go with the bear on this one. I think it's the whale. I think that the whale on the car is just a very visceral image. Luke talk, for the listeners who might not be familiar with the various dead animal, most that RFK has been connected to. Describe the whale story because I feel like that one's actually

lesser known. The whale was, uh, it wasn't, I'm trying to remember if it was him or like someone in his family. Um, but the incident was that there was a dead whale and the dead whale ended up in the car and they had to drive them with it and then as they were in the car, the whale juice kept coming in through the car window into the people in the car. I didn't know about the whale juice part. There was a very visceral whale juice thing. Okay. And Katie, for people who might not know about the bear story, give it. as the broad stroke to the bear story. So the story was that he revealed in some interview, I think, that he had accidentally run over or hit a black bear, a baby black bear,

somewhere driving upstate. And not knowing what to do with it, he put it in his trunk and drove it all the way to New York City where he had to be there for a meeting or something and just dumped the body of the black bear in Central Park. And this was actually kind of a new story at the time because the black bear's carcass was discovered in Central Park. And, you know, this is like kind of a big deal. They're like a protected species. You can't just kill a black bear and you're supposed to tell the like state authorities if that happens. So when a black bear body shows up in Central Park, it's like a big deal.

It was in the news. And then he comes out years later. And it's like, oh, yeah, that was neat. I think just because he was telling that story. casualty to Roseanne Barr and she was looking at him like he was insane. Like the whale juice story is the better story. But the, but I had to get to Peter Lugers of it all.

Like the casualness of how he told it. Yeah. So he's like, so we just dumped it because I didn't want it smelling bad. Like clearly I'm a very reasonable person and Roseanne is looking at him like he's fucking insane made that. I think that is a very strong number 10. It's also the recency of it.

It was also very, very recent. It was like 10 years ago. It wasn't something that happened in the 70s. And it's like, well, that was the 70s. A lot of things happened in the 70s. It was like, you know, this happened in like the era of Instagram. It's bizarre. Can I throw a curveball here and possibly nominate for the micro story within the story?

Is the dead dog he ate in Korea that allegedly gave him the brainworm? Well, the brainworm itself, really. Yeah, I have the brainworm listed as one of the dead animals. Spine. Yeah, I would nominate the, the worm, because it sort of feels like the beginning of the RFK story. Like, it seems like he was never like a totally normal person because, like, you know, he recently said he tried to cure his ADHD by taking heroin for a long time. So, like, clearly, like, there's been some issues from the get-go. But I do feel like, you know, if you really timestamp his story with getting the worm in his brain, like, that kind of sets us down

the path we're on now with him. So, all right. So I think that I think this feels right. I think kicking off this list with RFK and various dead animals that he's been involved with is correct. So let's lock that in at number 10. Adam, take us to number nine on the list. My number nine, I, I try to have a really succinct way to sum all these up, but this, I kind of have to cram everything in. And so what I have here is Elmo cares. Larry David doesn't. Oh, the Larry David attacking Elmo thing. Is that what you're talking about? Luke, are you familiar with this? Did it make it across the punt? This one came across. I agree. with it being kind of low on the list because ultimately it didn't matter.

Like was it not just like a two-day thing of people being like, Larry David's being mean and everyone be like, yeah, he's Larry David. Katie, what do you think? Do you think that this is worth putting on the list? I mean, I love the Sesame Street universe. I love Elmo, but I feel like the adult engagement with it, sometimes it's like, folks, come on. Well, we know what we're doing here.

Say more, because I feel like some people might not know what you're talking about. Elmo has this, like, social media presence where he's like, you know, it's very clearly meant for adults because obviously three-year-olds aren't on Twitter. And he's doing this like playful knowing, like banter thing, like where he's always mad at Rocco the Rock. You know, it's like, I get it. And he's engaging. And look, like, Sesame Street, we love it. But I find it a little grading personally. It reminds me a lot of like when Steve from Blues Clues during the pandemic would, like,

like make videos being like, you're going to be okay. And like everyone would be like, thank you, Steve from Blue's Clues. It feels like that too. It feels like everyone's reaction to all of that stuff is fake. And I can't convince myself that there are people genuinely feeling this. Like aside from a very tiny percentage of adults, but I can't believe in many people were like,

yeah, no, Steve from Blue's Clues, that's who I need to solve my broken ego. Adam, what's your argument? Yeah, what's your argument? My case is basically like one thing, We have had a graduating problem with all year, one that's gotten worse and worse, is what you've called a couple times post-truth. And I think basically like the K-Fabe that surrounds adults who like the Muppets, basically like the Santa thing, they're trying to keep it like it's real. I think that is one of the ways in which it's 100% socially except.

to like ignore things that are true. And like there were seriously like Will Wheaton was one of the early ones. Like obviously Will Wheaton's going to feel sore about being mean to a TV kid. But Will Wheaton wrote how he was genuinely traumatized by seeing Larry David slap Elmo because it reminds him of his abusive family. I was trying to remember which celebrity went like completely nuts. about this on Facebook. It was Will Wheaton, right? Like, he was the one that was the mess.

Okay. Okay. I think this, I think it stays on the list. I think we put it at 10. I think we move RFK to 9. How does everyone feel about this? RFK influenced the election. So yes.

Okay. Okay. For now, we've got Elmore 10, RFK at 9. So let's, let's hit the next one on your list. What do you got? Okay. Number eight is Ray Gunn at the Olympics. I want to tap in Luke here,

the resident person with the most amount of feelings about Australia to kind of talk us through this one. I feel like she let down what you would expect of from on a middle, a millennial Australian woman breakdancing at the Olympics. She was worse. I really enjoyed this one. I guess the question here is like, was she worth the international freak out? Yes.

Yes. 100%. I think that's right. This feels perfectly placed to me. This also, yeah, I think this is right. I think so now we have, so this at number eight would be Raygun. I guess the major question with Raygun, is there sort of any long tail here? Like will, like, will what hat, well, I guess like there is that, right?

Because like the breakdancing isn't ever coming back, at least for like the, for the conceivable future for the Olympics. So that might be like the one and only attempt for a while, as I understand it. she also professionally retired from breakdancing she is she hung up her pads basically she can't do it anymore because she embarrassed herself on the world stage to such a degree Alexander wept for all the kingdoms you know that needed to be conquered like she kind of did what she needed to do

because there were no more worlds to conquer you got it you you you know you yeah you know what I'm talking about there's no more kingdoms for a ray gun to dance in um Luke what do you think this says about Australian culture. I think that's like an important, an important piece here. Honestly, I think it says, it says, it says nothing about Australian cultural because it was so, it was so, like, the most, the perfect thing about it was that she kept insisting that no, actually, you just don't understand breaktonsie. And everyone else is like, we've never watched

breakdonsie before, but that's not it. Like, you kept seeing other clips of people who are doing their stuff and they're spinning on their heads and doing all the, all the, like, things that I'm looking out. They're like, yeah, I can't do that. I don't know if it's good or not. Can't do that. And she's doing things that. I actually could do. I could do that. I don't want to.

I think you could. I think all of us probably could dance like Rayvon. I said he could do that. My nine-month-old baby can do that. And regularly does. I will say just one note in Raygun's defense that I think she handled this very well, very mature, very adult, right? Like she was facing a lot of scrutiny, a lot of online ridicule. and she only very briefly, I think, gave an interview to some Australian media saying something like pretty, you know, banal or whatever.

Like she didn't, you know, she didn't crash out. Well, yeah, because she was asleep when most of the abuse happens. It's fine. Okay. So I think we're all in agreement here. Ray Gun at the Olympics is a good number eight. Let's do one last one before we go to break here. Adam, what is number seven on your list?

I'm trying to restrict myself mostly to things that haven't been talked about on the show this year, but I think this had to make the list. Mr. Beasts on professionalism. Do you feel like there is actual genuine outrage about Mr. Beast? I don't think the fans care. That's my thought as well. And that's why I put it here. What do you mean? Because it isn't really hurting Mr. Beast or his efforts.

It's definitely affecting them. And it's definitely like affecting people involved in his empire. It certainly affected Ava Tyson. True. But there are lots of other panics that have had a lot more of an effect. But because Mr. Beast is so huge, like it's got to go on there somewhere. That seems right to me. I mean, do you do you guys?

think that there will be any consequences for like anything that he does bad in the future? Like, do you feel like he's too big to actually feel those consequences? No, I don't. But I do think that these particular scandals were not big enough to significantly hurt him. So the one about his employee, it's not him, it's his employee, right? He's grown a really big organization of very young people very quickly, and it turns out some of them are awful people. Right. I don't know if anyone here has worked in an organization like that before.

but. Definitely not us. Yeah, the moldy. Definitely not the three of us. No. Definitely not us. You know, I think the thing that comes the closest is that he was sort of fostering unsafe work conditions on this TV show, which was the big, exciting new thing. You know, unsafe conditions on the filming of a reality show is like both a big deal because, like, hey, people don't want unsafe things.

but also like we've seen that too with like love is blind and other reality shows. And it doesn't really affect them. They did it with Squid Games in the UK because they gave it to one of the UK shows that did film their version of Squid Games. And it went horribly wrong and people were like standing in the sun for 24 hours and all this like mad, awful stuff happened. And he was a lot safer than like the version that the big production company in the UK did. I think they only just showed. So it happens a lot.

I think that I think the big test would be when the show actually airs. how that show performs with a broader audience than just his YouTube fans. I think that will be the big test. And I do think he's not untouchable. It's just that these scandals weren't quite enough. OSHA violations isn't going to touch the most popular YouTube creator. You know, you think back on things that really did, like the Logan Paul suicide foresting. That really hurt him.

And that was like, he did it. That was him. were like, nope. And the same with some of the PewDie Pye stuff where he was caught on, you know, on YouTube saying really terrible stuff. Audiences turned on him for that. He faced consequences for that. So I think that like it can happen.

It's just not yet. Not these things. We have to wait to see if Beast games is successful because like if it's not successful, it could be like a blood in the water situation where a lot of people like, fuck this guy. He's not important enough to like, that's when you start to maybe get like bigger leaks in his organization or whatever it is or are people lose interest because like the bubble has kind of burst. I feel like we're sort of an in-between moment with it. I agree. I think that it's actually

a sort of weird test because the truth is, I don't think an Amazon show is necessarily the pinnacle of the entertainment business. In fact, hey, hey, re-chair season three is coming out soon. And that guy's so big. He's the biggest guy. That's true. He's huge. He's huge. And the fact that Mr. Mr. Beasts is much bigger on YouTube. He doesn't need an Amazon show. The only thing that it's giving him is this sense of sort of, or like some legitimacy in the broader ecosystem. And I think it will be a test for future creators.

Yeah, it's the thing that will kill him, it will be the point where it goes, oh, he has no crossover. Yeah. It's just the YouTube audience. Because there's been, I don't, I mean, we had YouTube going on 20 years now, and still no one has really crossed over from YouTube in. to the mainstream. Quinta Brunson's probably the closest in the U.S.

Yeah, maybe. I mean... Yeah, I mean, it depends if you consider her a pure YouTube, which probably wasn't, and that she was in a kind of a... Yeah, maybe, maybe. But you're right. Like, they're a few and far between,

and the ones that do cross over... Her show is originally developed out of a YouTube series. That's true, that's true. But, like, Bo Bernham, same deal. Like, these people sort of... They tend to disappear and then come... Like, you have to have, like, a reinvention period. I don't think anyone is done what Mr. Beast is trying to do,

which is stay a YouTuber while also transitioning beyond YouTube. I've never seen that work before. And we will be finding out if Adam can continue up his end-of-year list Mr. Beast experiment on us right after the break. Should you just go into a feastable's bit. I have yet to try feastables. Well, no. You just go, we list this out for feastables while we go off a house. Actually, all of you should go outside and check your mailbox.

because you have a little present from Panic World. It's a very moldy feastable. Okay, Adam, we are now at number six on your list of the most important viral freakouts of 2024. Hit us with your nominee for number six. This one is Marcus Brownlee versus Humane. Interesting, interesting. So for the folks at home who might not have followed this, give us the broad strokes of this story, Adam.

Marcus Brownlee, very big, very popular tech YouTuber. He reviewed a very buzzy new product called the Humane AI Pin, which was like it was supposed to be a tiny little thing that like attached to your shirt and it was supposed to be able to replace your phone because you could like talk to it and ask for whatever you wanted. And it had like a screen. There wasn't a screen. It was like a broadcast light thing.

But anyway, he called it the worst product I've ever reviewed so far. And there was this sentiment that basically he shouldn't be allowed to call a product so exequably bad because he would be single-handedly responsible for tanking it. Katie, you're a tech journalist sometimes. Talk to us about your thoughts on. on this whole little, this whole little drama. Like, do you feel like this was worth the level of sort of like meltdown in Silicon Valley over like their favorite YouTuber like going scorched earth on this like AI startup? So I am a huge fan of Marcus Brownlee.

As am I. He's really, really good at it. I think he has a lot of integrity. I think he has deep knowledge about these gadgets. And when he says this product freaking stinks, he's right. It's an incredibly well-informed opinion. And he was right. The product was horrible.

And as soon as other people tried it to, they discovered the exact same thing. This thing was a complete lemon. It broke. It was garbage. It sucked, right? You can't tell him not to tell the truth, right? Like, he's doing journalism, right? Do you feel like it sort of changed the way people think about his channel,

like particularly, like, in Silicon Valley? Like, because it sort of felt like up until this point he was kind of like everyone's favorite cheerleader. And that image has sort of disappeared a bit. I think so. But I think that's like good, right? Like you can't. It builds trust with your audience when you're able to call out. Like this thing stinks.

Like it would be weird if he was like, I only give good reviews or whatever. Is it like, oh, well, you're so big that you'll just crush this tiny new company like, I mean, I don't think he didn't do it carefully. That's the other thing. I don't think he was flippantly saying, eh, this company stinks. And I don't think it was an unfair review. Luke, what do you think?

I agree with all of that, but I do think this should be lower because he subsequently taught his own credibility with the appalling wallpaper app. I was really hoping that this would come up. Okay, so to tell, for the audience, talk us through this part, because this is really funny.

This is a few months ago. This is a few months ago, and he launched an app that gave you different wallpapers for your phone for a subscription free. And it was a really expensive subscription free, which I can't remember the top of my head. But it was like $40 or something. It was some crazy number to change the wallpaper on your phone. And again, in fairness, because he does have a decent amount of credibility, he did a video afterwards saying, like, hey, here's a list of all the things I got wrong. I shouldn't have, I should make clear that this app is not for everyone. And it's only a select group of people who care enough about their wallpapers to pay for the wallpapers to pay for the,

wallpaper app, but also it helps us credit the artists. And there's a lot of other stuff. And there was like, but he did, he did a bunch of stuff wrong, which, you know, credit for that. It was such a one of those things where it's just like, if you have to look at that and you can't immediately see the problem with it, then like, yeah, you've already got a credibility challenge there. I do think it speaks to sort of like the weirdness of trying to do journalism inside of the

YouTube ecosystem instead of the creator ecosystem where it's like you're sort of always going to shit your own bed the poop man will come like if you're not careful because like you're in this world where you're trying to make a lot of money you're trying to like deliver product you you're you're more of a business than you are like a media outlet and I do think I think this story is a good example of that actually that if you if you include the wallpaper coda to it I think this I think this works I think this is so it's kind of a love 11 huffs, fine, 12, poop, and come. Oh, boy.

Yeah, 12 huffs, you get a wallpaper app. That's right. All right. Yeah, I'm comfortable locking this one in at number six. If we add the wallpaper app Cota to it, I feel like that's a really good summation of like indie media in 2024. So let's do it. All right.

So at number five, we're halfway through here. Number five, Adam, what do we got? It's a really, really good segue off. of everything you just said. It is Watcher. The former BuzzFeed employees who tried to launch a subscription service on the back of their YouTube channel

and everyone had a mountdown. Yeah, I only recently sort of caught wind of this. Missed this entirely. Oh, this is your bread and butter, buddy. Okay, so are you familiar with Watcher? I'm familiar with the channel that it appears be based on which is the ghost guys, right? It was originally BuzzFeed on the list.

It's not what they're cool, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. BuzzFeed Unsolved. BuzzFeed Unsolved. And they're also, I think they were the, what's the like, is it worth it? I think was the food one. Shane and Ryan are the guys from BuzzFeed Unsolved. Yes.

Stephen Lim is the guy from. Worth it. Yeah. Yeah. And they're all together and Watcher. So they decided this year that they were going, they were not making enough money to make like high quality content that they wanted to make. Oh, so this is supposed to be a nebula thing. Yeah, yeah.

Same idea. They got completely trashed in the comments because all of their viewers are like 13 or 14 or whatever. And they're like, well, you can't have any money for you. And then they actually had to backtrack. Does that feel like a good way to describe it, Adam? Did I miss anything there? They did have to do a very, very classic YouTuber apology video. And I wanted to get one of those in there.

To me, I look at that story like with watcher and I go, oh, these guys thought they were sort of this massive appeal product that like everyone on YouTube was experienced in because their numbers are really high. And then they launched this subscription product and like immediately realized that like the demo that watches their videos is just like not able to pay or does not want to pay for content. And I feel like it's sort of part of this like larger sort of nicheification of the internet.

Like no one is really talking to everyone anymore. And like these guys may have thought they were like talking to adults. But they're not. They're talking like dropout has no problem employing all kinds of people and like supporting a paywall nebula can even kind of do it, I think. But like these guys clearly just. just don't have the audience for. This strikes me as it should be way lower in the list.

I was always surprised by how popular that show was when it was at BuzzFeed. And I guess those guys continued to be in a way that surprises me because this is not what I watch or it's not in my bubble at all. And so it only sort of permeated it somewhat recently when I saw another YouTuber talking about it. I feel like it's a controversy that only existed on YouTube and the people who are really into YouTube shows cared about. Outside of that, people didn't care about it.

I feel like that's right to me. I think it deserves to be on the list because it's like an interesting sort of cultural story of 2024, and there was a genuine freak out about it. I'm going to say we put this between Raygun and Mr. Beast. I think it's north of Raygon, south of Mr. Beast. It is now at number seven, and Mr. Beast is number six,

Marquis, Brownlee, versus Humane. Okay. Adam, at number four. What are we got? My number four is lead in Stanley Cups. Oh, this is a good one. I don't think it needs to be this high, but I love this one. Katie, do you own a Stanley Cup?

Oh, I do. I own multiple Stanley Cup. I've never tried one. Are they nice? No. No. I actually have very specific complaints about them. Are you ready to hear them?

Please, go along on Stanley Cubs. I've actually never held one. general, I understand the initial appeal because it had a series of factors that together no other cup had. It had a handle. It could fit in a car cup holder. So it was thin at the bottom. And it had a straw. And believe it or not, like no other things had that combination, really. And so for those reasons, I think it's great or whatever. Like, if that's be like, my complaint in general, I don't like a straw. I like, I would rather tilt back the bottle to, to drink when...

You're a tilter. You're not a stilter. I'm a stilter. I don't like the straw. You know what you get, you get a lot of air. Of the three unique things it has, you don't like one of them. Luke, that is correct. But that is just, that is my personal preference. Okay.

And then my eight-year-old son, because he had seen, he saw other kids at school had them. And he was like, Mom. Like, he was like, mom, can I use your Stanley? like because it was that's wild and he was really excited by that and then he really he needed a new water bottle like for summer camp and he was like can I please please please please get a Stanley cup so we got him one and then he kind of immediately real he was so excited about it and then immediately realized that it actually leaks a lot like it's not good for a kid because if it knocks over like you can't just like toss it in your bag and it's water tight it basically has to say upright all the time so it's not good for like it's not good for like like a little kid. So it actually is not good for a kid. It's not good for a guzzler. This seems like a terrible product.

I think for a lot of people, that's exactly what they want. Just a plastic water bowl that you can't, like one you bought from a shop, you constantly reuse because you do, environment, but like does that thing a fitting thing, a car holder?

It doesn't have a hand, but it doesn't leak, so it's better. That's true. Are you worried about, like, your children being exposed to lead via Stanley Cup? Me?

No, because it was only if they were like dented or broken that they would leave that I ate a bunch of lead paint as a kid and like I you don't want your kid to be like me when they're a dog like I got all kinds of fucked up problems so you were nine on those like the paint chips on the windows so I'm not even kidding it was like you know like in older houses like in New England there's like the threshold between like the like the room where you put your shoes and then like the living room there was some green lead paint on that little threshold and I just sit there and I just sit there and and I just eat that shit like Doritos all day. And now I'm all kinds of screwed up. So, yeah, you got to, you know. But yeah, I think you're right that like the lead exposure, from what I understand, was very minimal, if not even almost impossible from a little. And if illegal reasons, you should probably say it's entirely safe.

It's like how these vacuum bottles are made. There is technically lead in the product. It is not lead that arrives in the water that people drink. I think this should be higher on the list because it's such a, like a perfect example of a panic. in that there's house and nothing to it. You've been doing this all episode. When you say higher and lower, what does that mean? Higher should be...

I know, no, no. This is a better panic. I've been doing north and south. This is a good panic. Okay, so you think it should be higher up the list. I don't know what's coming next. So you think it should be... Okay, yes, I understand.

Okay. It's a better panic because it's just, yeah, it's a classic. It's what you expect to see on the front of a tabloid newspaper. Yeah, because it was fake. Like the danger. was fake. Yeah, but everyone can panic. Everyone can throw away Stanley Cup that they've spent like six hours and queuing up for and everyone gets really mad about the thing that doesn't exist and destroys a company's business that they didn't even mean to build in the first place, which is my

favorite part by the whole thing. We're going to put this one in limbo right now and see if it goes higher or lower than Adam's next one, which will be our last one before our next breaks. Okay, that was a lot of nonsense I just said. So Adam hit us with one last one before we go to break. What's next? Our number three, Kate Middleton cover-up. That's a good one. We also covered this one on the show with the very good Ellie Hall. Fun fact for Panic World fans. That was the first episode Grand I ever tried to record, and we record it with Ellie Hall,

who decided to feed her dog a bone directly next to the microphone, and that dog just chomped on that bone the entire recording. Had to get a specialized software in there to pull out, like, individual frequencies of her dog just going to town on that bone, as she described extremely complex royal family. drama. So thank you, Ellie. Thank you for a wonderful year, Ellie. Luke, I'm going to kick this one to you. You're familiar with the royal family, yeah? Yeah, no, this is the specific stuff from my end. This is the last news story. This was the

news story that we were consuming as we're waiting for our baby to be born. Like, it was right around that time, and this was the one that was like, it was happening and it was great fun. It is a really good panic in that it ended up being the exact opposite of what everyone thought it was, and got very grim, very quickly, which I thought was, which is always fun. but I think the most fun thing about this one for me personally was watching because we do have this very complicated situation where the UK press can say things but are legally prohibited from doing certain things like they can't print certain photographs but the the assumption of the number of people of the level of coordination that happens in tabloid UK tabloid newsrooms is incredible to me like the number of people who are insistent that the tabloids coordinated this with the past like they didn't. They can't coordinate themselves. They can't coordinate across a desk.

That's interesting. They're doing this cunning thing where they're not doing this. It's like it's not, it's an SEO play because someone's trying to figure something out because they're hungry for traffic. It's absolutely fascinating to me. That's my favorite thing about the whole thing. Katie, do you think Cape Milton is still alive? I believe that she has been dead for not only the last year, but potentially the last

eight years and has been replaced. I don't think she ever existed. I'm not sure she ever did. I've never seen any proof of it. You know, it's funny because I think this year a thing that, you know, to some degree was a panic. And I don't know if this is something that's coming up on the list later was the idea of, you know, that deep fakes and AI generated images were going to have a big effect on the U.S.

elections this year and on, you know, the news and politics and, and, you know, disinformation in general. And that part didn't totally really come to fruition. And the funny thing is that the doctored image that had the biggest effect this year was something that, like, she basically did with, like, you know, the FaceTune app herself. Like, stitchpicks or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, she did it.

And when she, I mean, you know, who knows she, her thing, right, was like, I'm an amateur photographer and I like to play with editing tools. And it's like, really? Okay. I mean, whether it was her or someone working for the royal family or whatever that edited these pictures, like it was such a stupid minor thing using really rudimentary old tools and not very well done. It just kind of was like when you want, you know, hey, my kid wasn't smiling in the photo. Can you switch in the picture of, you know, it was sort of like almost the exact thing that they advertise on like a Sam.

Samsung phone, right? Or like Google Pixel that it can like fix these easy things. It was interesting in that this was the biggest photo doctoring, you know, image deep fake kind of scandal. But it was done in such a relatively low tech way comparatively, a non-AI way. Yeah. It is funny that like AI really, I mean, we'll see what we'll see what Adam is nominated for our last two items on our list. but AI, I don't really feel like had much of an impact on at least the U.S. politics this year, but just a woman's terrible Photoshop, like set the world on fire, which I think is kind of an amazing testament to AI, actually, in a lot of ways.

And we're going to learn what two last insane things Adam has in store for us right after the break. Do-do-do-do-do. All right, Adam, hit us with your number two pick. This is, we got two more left here. My number two is the reaction to the pro-Palestine college campus protests. The sort of like schools arresting students, sending in the cops, shutting campuses down. Yeah, I mean, it felt like a thing that outside of America is actually not. that strange to have sort of like these like huge political protests on campuses and in America

kind of took it in a very strange we kind of freaked out about it I think more so like if it did the same thing happen in the UK I mean I mean yeah but it kind of always happens because students are dumb and there's not to say the things they're protesting about yeah I want to be really clear we don't think that they're dumb for supporting Palestine yeah but like it's it's where like people have a bunch of time on the hands and a bunch of opinions and And therefore, like, a lot of stuff happens and none of it matters. And it's, it's like incredibly, like, we have this an awful lot in the UK. And obviously because everyone in the UK in the media went to one of two universities,

then what happens is things that those universities are given, like, undue attention. So there's an awful lot of stuff where it's like, yeah, no, the student union at Oxford has elected someone who said ex-controversial thing on Twitter. And it's like, it's not a thing. matter because it's it's a student union ultimately. And the same thing kind of happens in the US as well where you see this thing where the things that happen on campus are given undue importance because people say a lot of dumb stuff when they're 21. And it's very very sorry? I was not I was not like that. I was smart. That's true. The stuff you've said is not

get any less dumb. Yeah, that's it's same amount. No, I think you're right. I think you're totally right. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the whole thing. It's like it's just really over it's overrated in the UK because of, because it's easy, it's easy to find a story there and it's overreed in the US as well. I think for slightly different reasons and I think it's more that there are more influencers who have figured out that they can go to campuses and make people per se doth things. But then as a result, like you get over like concerned authorities who are like, well, our campus is going to look bad because the funding of a university is more, again, more so in the US and the UK, but in both of them is messed up.

So they're trying to like protect various endowments and various like financial. issues and so you get these contentious things which happen which ultimately you're just like it's fine people can protest like that's the whole point and and so the panic over both the protests and the reaction to the protests are just way over over-egged because both groups have too much time on their hands katy do you feel like do you feel like the student campus protests meant anything in the broader political sense in America like going in and out of this year's election. Like,

do you, like, that's this thing that I've sort of struggled with. And it's, and it's sort of like to what Luke's point is. It's like, they're so overrated in terms of how we think about them.

We talk about them and they sort of dominate. But I am still like now here in December going like, what did they do? And then there's not to, that's not to like diminish it. I just, I'm curious, like what your thoughts are of like how those protests have fit into the broader

political story in America this year. Um, I think, I think it did. Definitely. I mean, I think it set forward a world where certain, you know, I don't think this is like what the cause of the, the election outcome. But I think there became people who were like, look at these radical young idiots. Like, the left has gone too far. They're wrong. Like they felt really, I think it, I think it actually radicalized people who were anti-protests. That's interesting. And it pushed them further to the right, and it pushed them. I mean, I think of something that was, I think, reported in the New York Times that Mark Zuckerberg was really, like, traumatized and upset by what he was seen on the Harvard and college campuses, the protests, and that that sort of nudged his political alignment.

That nerd. You know, and, you know, this is an issue or that was, the protests were on a topic where people have. You know, there's feelings all, it's not a, you know, northwest, you know, the political alignment is confusing there. Are you describing a compass? Are you describing a compass? Okay. You're describing a political compass as northwest east. Right. It's not purely a left, right, right? But I think it did, I think it made certain people feel so passionately that it did maybe push them away from the left if they didn't, if they thought, you know, these. kids are being distasteful and I don't care for it. I think that's complicated. I don't think that's obviously the only thing that mattered.

But I do think that that, I think there were some people who really like were, this affected them politically, I think. To build on that, there is a thing that this is maybe the biggest foreign policy moment that has actually influenced elections in quite a long time. Because foreign policy that historically doesn't influence elections. Right. In the UK, there were four to five seats depending on how I classify Jeremy Corbyn that were surprisingly lost to basically pro-Gaza independence,

which is not really happened before. And that's sort of 650, but that's like a number. Same thing kind of happened in Michigan where, like, Jill Stein once run a bunch of seats, or a bunch of counties in. We don't have seats. I mean, we have seats here, but not in the same way. It's not the same thing. It was the uncommitted movement.

Yeah, exactly. And it started in Michigan. Yeah. It is a kind of interesting thing that there is, like, you can simultaneously say, I think the stuff that happens on campuses is, like, way over-eged, but also that there is an increased salience of specifically the Israel-Gaza issue, but you kind of say the same thing about Ukraine as well, where it actually has an impact on people in both the US and the UK and other Western countries in a way that kind of foreign affairs hasn't had for a long time.

You could maybe say the Iraq War, but you could equally say, like, the Afghanistan withdrawal was like a very significant moment, and was kind of the moment that Biden's ratings went underwater and never really recovered. And I don't think you have seen that in the same way in the last, for a very long time. And there's maybe an argument that the way that social media makes this much stuff much more urgent and much more present in people's lives and people's feeds, that means that actually people respond to it with protests, but also with their votes. Yeah, the Palestine stuff this year, I think the Iraq war is the closest I could compare it to

for something in my lifetime, but it honestly looks more similar to like the stuff I've seen in documentaries about the Vietnam War. Like it feels to that level. What I'm sort of curious about before you hit number one on our list, Adam, is like you were fairly close with some of the student reporters involved in these protests. Like how do they see the legacy of what they did? Like, do they feel like it mattered? Do they feel like it moved the needle? Do they know which way the needle was moved?

Like, how are they thinking about it? That's an interesting question. After it happened, I haven't sort of gone back and re-kechew. capitulated about that time with them. At the time, like, I was talking to them about, like, how enormous it all felt and how they felt sort of thrown into the fire, you could say. And I would say that contributed to me putting it at number two. But the main simple reason is just, like, thousands upon thousands of students across the country were arrested. Trump and Biden both publicly said, this is good that they were arrested. And I think that the underlying reason for that

is a moral panic. The protesters wanted specific things from their schools, like divestments or like meeting with the student union. And there were many schools where like the administration just met with the protesters and they worked it out and the protest stopped. And you didn't hear about that partially for like man bites dog dog bites man reasons but also because it didn't fit into that narrative yeah i i think the the role of bad actors is important to point out here with a lot of these stories which is like if if they can be weaponized politically i feel like they take on a life of their own and they sort of continue down the path um and that i that's why yeah i think you're right that this one deserves to be number two before we hit your last one here's a quick recap for people who are

doing the dishes right now i'll listen to this at number 10 we have elmo and Larry David and the post-truth era of that and like Elmo clapback accounts. Then we have RFK and various dead animals that he's encountered over the last few years. Then we have Raygun, the best breakdanceer in Australia. Then we have the Watcher YouTube channel subscription meltdown. Then we have Mr. Beast and his various controversies. Then we have Marcus Brown Lee and the Humane Pin and his wallpaper app. worth pointing out three of those of YouTube based

right in the middle of there. That's really interesting. Then we've got lead in Stanley Cups, Kate Middleton, may or may not be alive, and the student Palestine protests. What a tonal whiplash. Luke, Katie, before we hit number one, how are you guys feeling?

I'm feeling panicked. Yeah, you're feeling freaked out? Mm-hmm. This is anxiety rollercoaster for me. What's number one going to be? I mean, that's a big question. I really hope it's something incredibly trivial because I think that would be the funniest option. I think it'd be really funny if it was just completely stupid.

Adam, what do we got? What's number one? My number one is Congress banning TikTok. I think it is a moral panic under every definition we have for it. I think that sounds like a pretty good one. I think that's pretty. I think I'm agreed on that one. Yeah, I agree.

Obviously, we are all like pro the Chinese Communist Party on this. So I think it's important. No, I'd agree, actually. I think it is absolutely a moral panic. Like, I can't, it's very hard to see a version of it that is not weaponized to serve whoever is proposing the ban, which is why Trump was pro-at-than-antean, pro-and-an-prote-than-ante-an-a. I can't remember where he is right now. But, yeah, agree.

I mean, right now we're recording this in early December. They have just said, they have just reiterated that the deadline is staying January 19th, and TikTok will be banned if they don't divest. and TikTok is now saying that they're not going to divest, blah, blah, blah, blah. So it looks like it, as of right now, it's recording this, it's going to happen. So, like, do you guys think it will happen? I'm like a deny. I'm a TikTok band denier.

I'm willing to be proven wrong. In fact, I partially expect to be. But, like, it just seems so crazy and inconceivable to me that I really struggle to accept that this could be a reality. And I do think there's a version where, like, there's, you know, Trump comes to office. and there's, you know, a Hail Mary lifeline thrown to it where they can maybe kick it up to the Supreme Court, right? And it's maybe a little friendlier there or something.

Because, hey, now Trump wants it back. You know, not like, I mean, there's confusing things going on there, right? But I think it's got another chance. I think the U.S. government suddenly banning an app, I think, would be such a precedent set that I think you'd never be able to take it back. and it would get very, very interesting, very, very fast in a lot of other ways because then every single app, everything that goes wrong, is like the government needs to ban this. Yeah, we don't want.

Yeah. Well, he's not part of Europe anymore. I know. No, we left. Yeah, they left so they can have better straighter bananas or whatever. It was this, we just didn't want universal adoption of USBC charges. Oh, dude, it's so sick. I got USBC charger on my phone now.

It's so cool. I guess the thing that I've run into is what is the political benefit of reversing the ban? Like to put myself very cynically in, like, let's say Trump's shoes, like, no one remembers that Trump is the reason this all started in the first place. Everyone associates the ban with Biden. So it's like what is the political benefit of stopping it? I think that the TikTok ban is a complete breakdown of the idea of, the job of politicians is to represent their constituents. And I think if Trump says, like, Biden was going to ban TikTok, I'm making it so that

isn't happening. A lot of people who like TikTok will think, oh, that is good that that happened. Yeah, he'll seem like the hero who saved TikTok. Well, like, he can say that and, like, he will be factually correct. And yeah, that's why I put it at number one, because it's such a sweeping failure of, like, state power, basically, like the very idea of a nation state that has relationships with other ones and handles business and trade between them. That is how systemic this failure is. I think to, like, sort of, like, put a button on this whole episode is, like, you know, Adam has done it. an incredible job of picking like 10 stories from pop culture and politics and tech that like can

sort of define this year. But the TikTok ban as this thing that has loomed over all of 2024 and has been weaponized politically in every single direction you can think of. And yet is also the platform that Kamala Harris's team over indexed during the election and put all their like weight behind with Brad Summer. Like in many ways, the TikTok question is the question that has hung over this whole year in my minds. You know, I honestly. had sort of forgotten about it until it like, no, I mean, not until today, but like, whenever there was, well, because it sort of had come, you know, the law was passed and then it was in the courts for months and months and months. The election happened. I just kept thinking,

it's not going to, you know, I kept thinking that they were going to win the appeal. I was almost caught off guard that like, oh, this could actually happen. I had literally just kind of been, I had filed it under like not going to happen. So I was, I would, I almost forgot about it. To sort of wrap things up here. First, big round of applause, everybody, for Adam. This was, this was great. Adam, thank you very much.

I feel like we really, we really defined the year. Thank you for, thank you for letting me be on Mike. Thank you for giving me like the holiday treat. It won't be happening again, but yeah, well, this was it. But, you know, I'm glad you enjoy your. this is your Christmas Presbyter Back down into the content minds

Luke isn't in him anymore Back to the content minds Luke Katie To wrap things up Like how's your general feel about 2024? You know

Did you guys have a good 2024? Yeah I had a great 2020 Great year Yeah Okay Yeah me too

Yeah You're getting out of You're gonna get off The internet man I had a great one Yeah I forgot that You guys have families and stuff. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Well, Grant, did you have a good 2024? Yeah, I spent it with you in Riverside. It's been awesome. It's true. Yeah, it has been. Yeah.

Right. You, you, 24? You know, you should have a good one? Yeah. Honestly, yeah. I actually did a really good one. I actually think 2024 was from a journalistic perspective pretty good, but also from the personal perspective, it was fine.

I like to keep those worlds separate now because I'm, you know, trying to sustain myself. But yeah. Adam, I want to know how your 2024 was too. It was probably the best year of my life. I got to meet Brewster Kaley. I got my own bathroom for the first time in my entire life. Hey, buddy. That's great. Yeah, those are

the highlights. I don't know who the first guy is and I'm excited about your bathroom. You run the internet archive. You want to know. Oh, right. I did meet him. I met him with you. He looks like a wizard and it was great. I organized the meeting. Yeah. I forgot about that. Yeah. Now that we've the show is impossible without Adam in all seriousness even though you'll never hear from him again and his name is coming out of the credits

but do we think he missed anything was there anything you guys expected to be on this list that wasn't here because I've won and it involves one of you so he didn't have the poop man other than that which direction is the poop man moral panic in. Is it pro poop man,

anti-poop man? I just think it's worth including. I was shocked that you didn't include the allegations of unwanted flirtation from the Muppet history account. Oh, yeah. Okay, actually, Katie, now that you're on the show, I want a vent to real quick. You know that thing that happens where

everyone's like, oh my God, this is like the craziest internet story ever. You've got to cover this crazy internet story. And then you dig in and it's like three sentences long to describe what happened. That's how I feel about Muppet history, where it's like, Yeah. It's really funny, but if you're going to sit down and talk about it, you sound ridiculous. And there's only a couple things to say.

He's a polyamorous guy who runs him up in history account. And he was like using polyamory to like prey on his followers. Like that's the, that's what happened there. It is very funny to hear you try to summarize this. This is why I'm so pissed back. Because people do this to me all the time. Like, oh, Ryan, you've got to cover this crazy thing. And it's like, but there's nothing to say you about it.

It's like a muppie. Anyways, okay. Luke, what do you feel like Adam may have missed? Give Adam notes. Well, I mean, there's, I feel like there was an AI, a general AI story, but I don't know exactly what that panic is. I don't know if it is a panic. I don't know who's panicked about what. It just feels like there's, there's an AI thing that's missing.

It's pizza glue, which I cannot believe that Katie. Oh, yeah. Katie, what, so for our listeners, Katie tried the glue on pizza that was recommended by Google's AI, the Gemini model. Katie, what was that? What did that? Did you eat it? Did you put it in your mouth? I sure did. Did you taste it? Was it good? Yeah. So when Google launched, it started putting AI results in searches.

People were looking up funny things for it to give, you know, terrible AI answers for. And someone had searched, like, how do I stop the pizza from the cheese from sliding off my pizza? And it suggested you could put glue in the sauce. And everyone thought this was very funny. and it was sort of an example of how Google AI was so bad and it was going to fail and all this stuff. And I went ahead and I made homemade pizza. I mean, it was like the pre-bought crust and, you know,

I used jarred sauce to me. But I put a, as the recipe called for, an eighth tables or like two tablespoons of glue in the sauce of Elmer's white glue. Did the cheese light off? And the cheese did seem to stay in place, to be honest. That's good. It tasted. It tasted mostly fine.

Are you okay after? I was okay, but as I was eating it, I started getting scared because like mid-chew, I started thinking, you know, and the glue is like, it's the Elmer's glue. It says, non-toxic. And I had Googled ahead of time, like, is it safe to eat a little bit of glue? And everything was like, it's fine. But then I started thinking, you know, the whole thing, though, is that like when you heat up a chemical like that, which, you know, it's some sort of polymers.

more or plastic, you're significantly changing the chemical composition and maybe it's no longer okay to be eating. But I'm still here. We'll see. I only ate like a slice. You ate a whole slice? What are you talking about? You could have just taken a bite in it.

Why'd you eat the whole slice? I didn't eat the, I guess I should have gone for the cross. Hey, thank you guys for. coming on this episode. This was great. Katie, if people want to follow you on the internet, where can they do that? They can follow me at Business Insider and they can follow me on Blue Sky at Kady Natopoulos or Threads at Katie Nautopoulos. Luke, are you on Blue Sky? Because you were big on, last time we talked, you were saying threads was going to come out on top. Clearly, threads is awful. Blue Sky is also awful, but in a way that does not make me feel like my brain is

leaking out my ears. So that is an improvement on every other social platform. So yeah, Blue Sky. What's your, what's your, what's your long string of nonsense? Luke Bailey. Dot B-Sky.com.com. Okay. Yeah. I like Blue Sky. It's useful to me now. It's like become genuinely useful in the way Twitter used to be. Adam, if people want to follow you, where can they do that? I'm on Blue Sky, Bumis.Beskai.biskeye.com.com. I am not closing my ex account because I still got to go on there to like see what's what not really gonna post on there but if you want to follow me like you can find me there i i use x just because i'm i'm sub to all these girls accounts and my card information is in there and it's just easier to yeah it's a bank now isn't it yeah it has my it has my medical data

it's a bank i'm using it for everything it's great um thank you guys this was really fun oh and hey um i don't want to do this but um grant you You did a great job with the show this year. Unfortunately, begrudgingly, you did a really good job, and you're a good producer, and I'm sorry they yell at you a lot, and I'm mad at you all the time. You guys have no, I know what he's about to say to me as soon as the mics are off. Oh, no, no, we're both made podcasts with it. We know exactly this point.

The minute you're gone, I'm going to, minute these people are gone, I'm going to beat you with a shoe. But, no, thank you, Grant. You're very good at your job and putting up with me. Thank you very much. All right. That was enough of that. I'm uncomfortable. We'll see you all next year. Please tell everyone at your holiday parties that you like the show.

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