Part Of The Problem - A Conversation With MAGA

Episode Date: June 18, 2026

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What's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of The Problem. I am Dave Smith. I am Roland Solo for this episode. Rob is out. I believe he's on his way to Denver where we will all be tomorrow night. Me and Robbie Bernstein tomorrow, Friday and Saturday, we are at the Comedy Works South and then Friday and Saturday we're at the Comedy Works downtown in Denver, Colorado. This was one of, as I've said, bunch of times. This is one of my favorite weekends I've ever done last year. Denver Comedy Works is like a legendary club. All of my friends have a bunch of them. It's been like their favorite club in the world for many years. And last year was the first time I ever headlined a full weekend there. And we sold out every show. It was really great, really, really fun time. So very much looking forward to coming back this year, getting on a plane tomorrow. So hope to see some of you guys out there. All right. So. ComicTapesmith.com, by the way, there's still tickets available.

So go grab them. Okay. So I wanted for today's show to, I think the way I'm going to frame this is I want to have a conversation, although it'll be one-sided for this hour, but perhaps this could serve as an invitation. Like I would be interested if maybe like some people, some MAGA people, maybe listen to what I have to say here and give it a response if you want to. Because I kind of want to almost have a conversation with MAGA, whatever exactly that means, whatever the MAGA movement is.

I'm not sure exactly what it is at this point. I think the best definition of it would be people who are still loyal to Donald Trump. I'm not a part of it. That has been made very clear over the last hundred days, I have had it made very clear to me that I am not a part of MAGA, if ever I was, perhaps I never was. And I'm fine with that.

I've never really cared about the label MAGA. And I, for most of the last decade, I haven't considered myself to be part of it. So anyway, but I would like to kind of talk to MAGA, because we're in a very interesting moment right. now, it really does feel in some ways, and it's not clear, it's not clear exactly what's going to come

out of this, but it does for the moment feel in some ways, like in the same way that we would go, wow, think about how crazy it is that you went from, you know, election day, 2004 through, like, say, you know, Donald Trump's inauguration in January 2025, where Donald Trump wins the popular vote and the youth and the UFC fighters are doing his dance. And the culture is on his side. And, you know, he's got record high approval ratings. And he's come back in with this whole new coalition. And, you know, Donald Trump was at his height.

And then all of a sudden, Donald Trump is, you know, doing what he's been doing for the last year, really, but particularly the last hundred days. And there's been this huge change. But now, in the course of just a few days, it almost seems like everything is flipping back. All of the sudden, Donald Trump is the one saying, hey, we can't fight endless wars.

All the sudden, Donald Trump is the one trying to rein in the Israelis. He's talking about how, oh, man, we're killing, we're blowing up a whole apartment building over something that didn't kill. It's almost like a throwback to what old Donald Trump used to say. And, well, there's a few different dynamics that are going on with all of this in this all weird kind of twist. One of the things, so for me, okay, it's been kind of interesting. When I say the last year of Donald Trump's behavior, it really is almost to the year.

I mean, when I say I'm not a part of MAGA, well, I did support Donald Trump in 2024. By the way, during the election, when I said I was going to endorse Donald Trump, not too many people were telling me I wasn't MAGA then they were all very happy to have me on board at that point everybody was thrilled yeah like you know because it's an election season so you want as many votes as many influential people endorsing you as you can get and um it was a year ago almost to the day that uh that i that i publicly i went on breaking points and i said that i regretted voting for donald trump and i called for his impeachment and removal and it was overlaunched in the 12 day war we which was in June of last year. I guess it's, what is it? It's the 17th today. What was it? I think it was, we're maybe a week shy.

It was maybe a week longer. 25th or something like that of June last year. So, you know, I kind of jumped off myself very adamantly over this war. And really it was the next, you know, this most recent war in a round that really created, huge, huge riffs within the Trump coalition. It wasn't just that someone like me had jumped off. But over the last hundred days, Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly and, you know,

Alex Jones and, you know, a huge number of very prominent voices who were Trump supporters, have, you know, that part of the coalition has fallen apart. And in ways that are very hard to see it, being put back together, although who knows, I guess. But, you know, when I say who knows, I mean, I don't know. Could Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump become friends again? I have not talked to Tucker since any of this has happened. So I don't, I have no insight into that. But maybe, maybe it'd be like, yeah, yeah, he did. He kind of warned you about this. Anyway, over the last, um, over this

period of time, you know, really particularly over the last 100 days during this war, one of the things that I said from the outset was that Donald Trump had destroyed his presidency over this. And that I've been consistent on this the whole way through that this was a war we couldn't win. We didn't have escalation dominance. I've been saying this for 20 years about Iran turned out to be exactly right. I've been saying from the beginning that the best thing we can do is just stop, just accept whatever deal, except that we've lost and get out of here. So this is a really important thing to do.

And also one of the other things I've predicted, again, not to say I get some predictions wrong, but one of the other things I've been predicting is that Donald Trump wouldn't be able to sell this as anything other than what it obviously is. And I think really over the last, say, 48 hours, but particularly over the last 24 hours, that has been something that has become more and more evident.

Donald Trump is, I mean, hey, who knows, maybe he's going to surprise us with some terms of this deal, you know, that'll be revealed on Friday that are way more in the U.S. favor. I can't imagine what it would possibly be, to be honest. But he's going to surprise us that. And then maybe the Iranians actually do agree to that. And they've just been bluffing this whole time. Or maybe then they say, hey, we know. I never agreed to that and the whole thing blows up.

I mean, it's possible we're back at war. It's possible something comes out of this that we don't foresee right now, but it really looks unlikely. And in fact, Bloomberg just released what they claim. They got a copy of the deal. I can't remember if there was 12 points. Either it was Bloomberg had one and then CNN had one. One of them had a 12 point.

One of them had a 14 point. There's a couple little differences in there, but it's basically everything we've been laying out. It is basically just undeniably a complete surrender slash U.S. loss. There's just really no other way to look at it. And it's so, it's so obvious that the attempt of getting a base of Trump people to even spin it as anything else is, is just seems fruitless. It seems like that's just not going to happen. Everybody. essentially is already admitting it. And I got to, I got to say, it's almost a little bit surprising. I'll go through some of these clips, but it is a little bit surprising just to, for me, just to go

through social media and see people like Bacha, Saraghan, I always forget how to say her last name, but I have a clip of hers that we might play today. But seeing people like her and Will Chamberlain and you know, all these guys go, oh, yeah, no, this deal is terrible. This is a complete, we're just giving them everything they want. This is a loss. And so anyway, that's kind of been interesting just to see them. It was June, oh, it was June 13th last year. Is that right? Oh, so we're over the one year anniversary. I'm sorry, I had that wrong. I thought it was later in June. Thank you, Natalie. Appreciate it. Anyway, so it's been interesting to see those guys even kind of having to acknowledge that,

okay, this, and so it's in this context that I think it's kind of interesting to have a conversation with MAGA. Or I guess if none of them are listening, then in that case, we're all just having a conversation about MAGA, and I'm fine with that too. But there is something for those of us who maybe even voted for Donald Trump or endorsed Donald Trump,

maybe even people who were like didn't vote or endorse for him, but maybe were rooting for them or people who are even flirting with that. But people, broadly speaking, who at one point might have in some way been part of this coalition that have really left in disgust over the last year. And I think it's important that maybe we talk to some of those people who are still on the team. And I want to try in a way to almost like have a good faith, you know, obviously I don't mean to frame this as a conversation, a dialogue. It's me, you know, ranting.

But I just mean what I'm trying to start here, what I'm trying to provoke would be some type of good faith discussion or some type of good faith back and forth. But also, I'm not particularly inclined to pull punches. I just don't, I'm not going to pretend that something other than what happened just happened because, number one, I'm a grown man and I don't believe in doing that. Number two, the point of my job, the point of this show is for me to tell the truth to the listener as I see it. And I don't particularly feel like carrying water for, this movement that has not been so kind to people like me over the last year and particularly over

the last hundred days or so. You know, in a way this feels like a horrible toxic relationship where, let's say the partner was, you know, I don't know, like a crazy drug addict who was abusing their kids and cheating all over you. And, you know, now in some point, like, like maybe they're trying to go to rehab or something, something like that. Not saying this analogy is perfect. And it's like, hey, just so you know, I don't need to pull any punches over what happened back there. You've destroyed much of what this relationship is. But we do have a kid together.

I care about the kid more than I care about our petty nonsense. The kid in this case being the United States of America. And Donald Trump is still the president of the United States. He is trying to get this deal done now. He is desperately trying to get out of this nightmare that he got us in. to. And he needs his cheerleaders. He needs his MAGA people around. There is a role for all of them to play. However, I just can't accept that my role here is to pretend this is some type of victory or something like that. And I don't think that is my role. I don't think that is the role. And I don't

think, I think that does nothing but lose all of us credibility and kind of fracture the relationship between us and our own audiences because then you're lying. And that's never or that rarely seems to be the correct path in all of this. But anyway, so just keep that kind of in mind as we go through some of this. If I'm talking to MAGA, I'm not pulling punches. You guys are big boys. It's not like you guys are those those libs who need a safe space. You can handle a little bit of harsh truth.

And also, as I think MAGA has maybe been. been learning slowly over the last few days. When it comes to negotiations, you're not in such a strong position. You might have to give a lot because, you know, no matter how, you know, you can sit there and pretend that we've devastated around. And that's why they're desperate to make a deal. But when the deal is, we'll give you $325 billion. doesn't really seem like they were that desperate.

Seems like maybe the party offering $325 billion was a little bit more desperate. And in the same sense that Donald Trump could sit there and say, you know, this war had 100% MAGA approval. Well, the reality is that it was the most unpopular war in American history. And MAGA is going to wear the bruises of celebrating that and supporting that. there's really no way to get around that. And so I think it's important we can be honest. And we can also maybe, now that things are being revealed a little bit more, we can think about what's best for the country and what's best for moving forward,

not just with the MAGA movement, but with whatever is to follow it. Because really, however we like it, you know, Donald Trump is like 80. The midterm elections are a few months away. The Democrats are coming back in to Congress. They're certainly going to take the House. There's going to be impeachments and hearings and investigations and all this stuff for two years. And then Donald Trump's going to be gone from American political life.

So it's kind of worth mentioning that. Now, by the way, just to mention, and this is something that I said for quite a while. And this was actually what I was very concerned about the escalation trap. Even though I said the whole time, I think eventually Trump will do something like this. I did say I don't think he's going to escalate. I don't think we're going to get boots on the ground. I think eventually he'll quit because he doesn't have the stomach for that. He knows the world economy and the American people don't either.

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Israel has to, I guess, stop fighting back against Hezbollah, who's lobbying missiles at the northern part of their country. This makes absolutely no sense. It makes no sense. And we also know, Brian, that there have been diplomatic, attempts over and over again since the early 2000s to try to get Hezbollah to disarm. They will not disarm. It has never worked through negotiations and diplomacy. At this point, if this is tied to this deal, the United States would essentially be restraining Israel,

our greatest ally in the region and the reason that we had such success in Epic Fury. So Israel must defend itself. It cannot be restrained. It has to be able to even go on the offensive to preemptively take out these Hezbollah cells, even if they're, in Beirut. I would expect Israel to continue to do that. They're not going to wait until they get hit before they can respond. Yeah, you can't blame Netanyahu for this. They're defending themselves. They just happen to be very good at defending themselves. It's not their fault that they're this strong and this devastating. And Syria is not equipped to take out Hezbo, even though they'd love to. They have no missile defense. Hasbo has got rockets. Let's talk about the deal. What concerns you most

about what we now know about this deal as we wait two days for the formal reading of the deal? Well, first of all, Brian, I just want to say, I mean, Epic Fury was so successful and economic fury is so successful. And President Trump was right to initiate it. And we really have the Iranians in a vice, which is why I'm concerned that we would permit the Iranians access to their oil when as we relieve this blockade. They would essentially have billions of dollars back into the IRGC coffers. I know the vice president continues to say this would be conditions based. But as far as I can tell, this isn't even be. put in escrow accounts to trap it to make sure the IRGC complies. We have no reason to believe that they will, so they will be flooded with cash almost immediately. My second big concern is that the deal does recognize Iranian governance with other Gulf states over the Strait of Hormuz.

Now, the Iranians will say they just want to collect environmental tolls. They're not going to call it tolls. They'll call it fees. That's tolls. Brian, that's worse than before Epic Fury. The United States cannot permit Iran to have coercive control over the Strait of Hormuz. And so to me, those are the two big ones tied with, I think, the fact that once you relieve sanctions, you really lose your leverage to enforce what we want on removing and dismantling Iran's nuclear program. And what we're going to do is they have frozen funds. So it will be $300 billion. It looks like they get it up front. It looks like they're going to be selling oil right up front.

And it looks like after 60 days, they charge tolls with Oman. There's no way because that's going to set a precedent for international waters and waterways around the world. So that every big and small power does not want this to be a new trend. That'll blow everybody's budget, correct? Yeah, I'm very concerned about that. I mean, to me, geopolitically, I think President Trump, again, had an incredible opportunity to rest control of the Strait of Hormuzes away from the Islamic Republic of Iran. China backs Iran. So United States is in this Cold War, this great competition against the Chinese.

We do not want China and its proxies to have coercive control over major waterways. If we set this precedent, you would expect the Chinese to be looking to do it in its region of the world as well. So I'm concerned about that. One more point, Brian, on the 300 billion. dollars. It is true that it's not going to be American taxpayers that are going to go to this fund, but the language that I've seen of the MOU says that the United States would help essentially get investments in Iran. Remember, Iran has not changed. Iran is still conducting industrial scale executions. They execute minors, little girls as little as nine. So this regime has not changed.

All right, listen, let's turn it off there. But okay, listen, I let that play for a little bit, but I just wanted you to get the point here. Because it's like there's something here that MAGA is going to have to wake up to. And that is that the whole apparatus here behind Donald Trump. See, Donald Trump had a genuine grassroots movement for many years. And he essentially traded that movement in for the machine. But the machine, unlike that grassroots movement, is not loyal to Donald Trump. you could see who they're loyal to right there.

I mean, like, Brian Kilmead. I mean, like, it's just just one of Fox News is biggest guys. He's nothing but in every other case, somebody who just takes Donald Trump's side, just essentially dickrides Donald Trump on whatever position he has. But what does he want to do? Restrain Benjamin Netanyahu? Well, that's insane, as Brian Kilmead says.

No problem. You know, think about the words that Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro and Brian Kilmeet and all these guys have been describing Donald Trump with the last couple of days. This is, so now, in other words, Donald Trump now with his record low approval ratings, he's set to fall quite a bit further because all of these guys are going to turn on him. But here's the thing, and this will be a through line throughout all of this coverage. Look, the reason why essentially all of this coverage is so bad shit insane is because it's everything except grappling with the fundamental reality of what just happened. This woman and Brian Kilmead, they're both, they're lying to each other. Or they're lying to the audience, I guess.

Maybe it's more accurate. But you can frame this as like, wait a minute, we're giving hundreds of billions of dollars to this regime, why would we be doing that? Wait, and China's in bed with them? Wait, so now they get to control the Strait of Hermuz. We don't like that. That's bad. Well, okay, that's bad for, you can make obvious arguments for why that would be bad,

including even arguments I would agree with. I don't like the idea of the Shiite radicals in the region, getting to choke off 20% of the world's oil supply. That's not great. I don't like that. But that is the reality in the same way that, look, Donald Trump was just up against the economic realities here. And in fact, there's a clip, we might play later where Donald Trump kind of admits this,

that he was up against the economic realities. He could not get that straight open. The Pentagon's own assessment was that it would take another six months. And that was only after we had. concluded the war. Okay, well, then we got to conclude the war so we can open the straight and it takes six months to do it militarily. Okay, so now by all experts, I mean, you know, most, well, maybe I shouldn't say most, but many economists are arguing that already, even we get out of this now, this is going to be devastating and that next year we're really going to go through a

steep economic recession over energy costs, over how long the, the, this was, how long the strait of Vermus was shut down. down over. And so you're talking now another six months of it. You're talking global depression. Okay. So that's if we did it militarily. And then by the way, how do we even do it militarily? But we have to get the war over first. Okay, well, Iran doesn't want to end the war. So how do you get Iran to end the war? Okay. Well, the only way to get Iran to end the war and open up the straight immediately was to wave the white flag. Promise them hundreds of billions of dollars. We essentially bribed them off with and other promises too.

But look, just to be clear here, okay, this is what's in the deal, what's been released from CNN and, I'm sorry, from CNN and what did I, I had just mentioned it earlier, who was, it was Bloomberg. I'm sorry, it was the other one. It was CNN and Bloomberg. They both put out different somewhat largely similar, but slightly different versions of what the memorandum of understanding is. And to be clear here, you're talking about, now I just, I want to be clear because I don't, let me just give the caveat of like, I don't think Iran's ever going to get that $300 billion. We'll see. I could be wrong about that. But there is a little thing where it's tied to like what the agreement after 60 days is.

I don't think we're going to have any type of nuclear agreement after 60 days. I wouldn't be surprised if Iran goes back to charging fees, as this woman I just said, to charging fees for the straight of Hermuz. There's kind of language that protects their ability to ultimately do that. who knows if they'll actually get access to that fund, that fund, but that is what's being promised to them by the U.S. in order to get them into this, right? So they're pledging that there'll be this $300 billion reconstruction fund. Then there's also close to about $25 billion of frozen Iranian assets. These were things like, you know, I'd have to check on exactly what these assets were. But in the past, I know it was things like, so in the revolution in 79, right? So we overthrew their government in 53. and installed the shaw so from 53 to 79 the u.s had very friendly relations with Iran and then the revolution happened then a few months later they took our hostages then the the relationship started to deteriorate um there were there were um like the previous government had bought a bunch of weapons they used to buy a bunch of weapons from our you know weapons companies that was part of the

the cozy relationship and so they had like purchased a bunch of weapons and then the revolution happened and then the U.S. was like, well, we're not giving the weapons to this new government. But international courts had ruled fairly reasonably that like, okay, but then you got to refund the money because they purchased the weapons. So either give them the weapons or give them their money back and they wouldn't do either. So it's that money that's been froze anyway, neither here nor there. But then also in the deal, and people, by the way, are really jumping over this one. But this may be the most important part of the deal is that all sanctions are lifted.

All U.S. sanctions on Iran are lifted. They are right back into the global financial structure, the global economic structure. I mean, this thing is worth, this is hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars that we are pouring into Iran. Keep in mind, by the way, Israel is a little country. You know, Israel has a GDP that is probably less than the total benefit of this deal to Iran. Maybe not. Maybe I've got a GDP at $600, $700 billion, something like that. But still, this is like pouring the entire economy of Israel almost into Iran.

You can see how much this is going to ruffle feathers. Okay. So anyway, I guess another, you know, point in all like if you try to from israel's perspective this isn't just them not getting the regime destroyed the way they wanted this is getting you know i i don't know it would be like pouring 20 trillion dollars into canada and the u.s being like whoa that's like that's a lot of goddamn wealth that's flowing into this country that we were just at war with and so you're going to get this response from people this is like i said we're going through the next 60 days are going to be an all-out

Blitz. And strangely, now Donald Trump has found himself in a war of sorts with the Israel lobby. And so it's kind of, again, this is why it's kind of important to talk to MAGA again now. So, you know, we're not going to pretend what you guys did back there didn't happen back there. We all, you know, you launched a war of choice on behalf of a foreign country and you supported that. And look, like, why should we be kind to MAGA right now? It was loudly broadcasted right into our face that MAGA is not Tucker Carlson because he's a low IQ trader. Maga is Mark Levin. Okay.

Well, that's what you got to live with now. And what happened? Jeez, what happened when we followed Mark Levine and Douglas Murray and Ben Shapiro's advice. What happened? Oh, yeah, another catastrophe. It's so bad that we had to just concede. We had to just wave the white flag and pay them hundreds of billions of dollars to get them to stop. Again, we're not going to forget that. But as we move forward here, it is important it's here to understand, right, that like this is the battle now. The battle is going to be over people attacking Donald Trump for making this move. Look, as bad as it is, that's a bad as it is,

Donald Trump failed in the way that he failed. And I'm saying he destroyed his presidency. It's over. There's not much to save. But it's still really important that we win this one. You know? All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Massa chips.

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you know like if you're if you're in a hostage situation i know people make fun of me for making these analogies and god damn it i know they're not perfect but they are useful and so you know some of you guys you make fun of me for them but they are useful there's a reason i do this but like in the sense okay if you were in a hostage situation and somebody has all you know and you're the negotiator you're you're you're outside on the cell phone talking to him and you're like please at least give us the women and children you know this guy's got a bank a lot of people there are even if he's already killed a few people, even if he's already done terrible things. And this guy is going to get the chair, you know, whenever you get him out and he goes to trial or whatever, you still might be

talking to him and you're like, hey, can you let the rest of the kids out? He goes, okay, I'll let some of the kids out. You still go, thank you so much for that, dude. Like, that was really huge. Because those are real kids and their lives are on the line right now. Okay, I'm not saying it's a, I'm not equating the two things. I'm just saying the reason I use the analogy is that, As much as Donald Trump is fucked up, as furious as many of us may be with him, we still got a country here. You know, we still have a kid together. And the kid is the United States of America.

This is the country that both of my little kids are going to grow up in. I care very much about the future of this. And it's very important that Donald Trump wins this fight. It's very important that we get this memorandum of understanding signed and we get out of this war. This is, I am not sure how much damage has already been done. I'm very concerned about that. But we were flirting with catastrophe. And there's for no reason, for no reason other than Donald Trump's choosing for listening

to the Israel lobby instead of people with common sense. Okay. Let's move to the Batcha clip, which I always, I do apologize if I'm saying her name wrong, which I often do. but Bacha Ungar Sargon is her name. She is, I know her. We debated. She was a part of that debate with me and Jane Hugar and Dennis Prager and her.

And we all went out to dinner afterwards. She was really very nice person, very lovely, although I could not disagree with her politics more. But yeah, anyway, so she kind of, in the spirit of checking in with Maga, she kind of represents like kind of the lefty pro-Zionist part of MAGA like kind of a liberal not lefty I shouldn't say liberal

a liberal Zionist member of MAGA and again somebody who's been cheerleading President Trump for his entire second term here were her thoughts on the war or excuse me on the memorandum

This is actually exactly the same as the JCPOA, if not worse, because we're so close to victory. I mean, there has never been a nation as strong as the United States is right now. We are the world's greatest and only superpower, the strongest nation to ever exist. And we have been brought to our knees by a few minds. And as an American, I cannot stand that. I cannot stand saying that sentence. But it is utterly true. And what's worse is exactly, as Ben pointed out, they will never be weaker than they are now.

They're about to get all their money back. And so in 60 days, they're going to be even less likely to give us anything that we're asking for. I just want to say one more thing. Nobody wanted this to end more than I did. I cannot stand how broke Americans are right now. I've been using my show on News Nation every week to call for help for working class Americans because they voted for Trump because he promised to put. money in their pockets and they are broke right now because of this war. I cannot stand that.

But there are a million ways the president could have helped them domestically that didn't involve the greatest superpower in the history of humanity being brought to its knees by a few minds. He could have given stimulus checks. That's what I suggested. He could have put controls on oil exports. We are a net exporter of oil and gas. We're exporting oil and gas while Americans are paying $450 at the pump. It makes no sense. All right. So, I mean, getting away from her lefty economic prescriptions, which I think are kind of ridiculous, and I don't think people voted for Donald Trump because he would put money in their pocket exactly. I do think one of the reasons people voted for Donald Trump was

because he explicitly promised to not fight stupid, unwinnable wars. But even she cannot spend what's happening here. that we've lost. Now, one of the things that, again, this is, I don't know, I guess it's just like for some people just for whatever reason, and I guess perhaps with a lot of them it's willful, they just have this blind spot for the reality that there are limits to U.S. power. And even as Bacha says, you know, it's like we're the biggest, strongest guy, or we're the biggest, strongest country ever, and were brought down by a few minds, like, strategically placed in the Strait of Hermos, yes.

I mean, there's a little bit more to it than that. There's some missiles and some drones and stuff, but yeah, that's essentially right. And, you know, there actually is no contradiction between those two different things, like, we're the strongest country ever, but we're also brought down by something. Like, you know, quick history lesson, the founding of our country, we're celebrating 250 years, if you haven't heard, it's coming up. The founding of our country was us taking down the strongest, most powerful military that it ever existed, which was the British Army at the time. And the British Empire was by far the strongest nation on earth. And we were able to beat them with muskets.

They're not mines, I suppose. But yes, there is a difference between being strong, having power and having limitless godlike powers. There's a difference between those things. And the fact that, I mean, I don't, again, this is like very basic, like maybe the most fundamental 101 lesson of like military history is that there's. Yes, even a much more powerful military, when overextended, can be defeated by less powerful forces. Yes, there are asymmetrical wars, and sometimes there are asymmetrical victories in war. And so, again, it's not, you know, it's not a question of who has a stronger military, us or Iran. Nobody is debating that obviously we have a stronger one.

It's not who can blow more of their shit up versus who can blow more. more of our shit up. Obviously, we can blow a lot more of their shit up. But then there are these very tangible logistical questions that were obvious from the very beginning of this thing. Just incredibly obvious. Questions like, how do you do regime change without a ground force? When has that ever happened? It's incredibly difficult. In fact, I've heard several military experts say that it's never happened. And I would love to like question that. I don't know. I'd have to like go research on that. But has there ever been a purely from the air regime change accomplished? I mean, I know in Libya and Syria, we had some forces on the ground. And sure, we used al-Qaeda when convenient. But anyway, without now,

of course, there's other questions about if you don't have a military occupation, how do you replace the regime after you change it? That's a pretty big one. And there's also major questions about, you know, Right. Like so if you have an IRGC with a couple hundred thousand members, how do you take that out from the skies? Okay, that's a pretty tough question. That was pretty obvious. Okay, what about escalation dominance? What do we do if they touch all of our bases in the region? They've got a large stockpile of missiles. They can do that. What about the straight? All they have to do is be able to plan a few mines, target a few boats before regular people who aren't members of the military don't want. to risk their lives to go through this straight where they're being shot at. You have insurance companies that have ships with $50 billion worth of cargo on them

who don't feel like insuring that when they might take a $50 billion loss if an Iranian drone hits that ship. Okay, that's a tangible problem. And it doesn't matter how, well, we spend a trillion dollars a year on our military. Okay, but how do you solve that problem? None of them want to admit what is the obvious case here, which is that we got beat. You know, but all of them, and it's important for MAGA to understand this and understand what just happened here. All of these guys are essentially saying something that really doesn't pass the smell test that you should be able to look at and go, okay, there's a pretty big problem with what you're telling me here.

You know, it reminds me of, if you guys remember, back during COVID, me and Rob used to make this joke. You know, it's sometimes you have all these arguments, but then you could just go to this like basic, kind of logical like smell test. So when they were pushing the COVID vaccines, they were essentially saying that COVID is so deadly. This thing is so awful that we had to lock down the whole country because they were still supporting lockdowns. You know, we had to lock down the country because we had to slow the spread or whatever, fight the flatten the curve, whatever their dumb argument at the time was. And, um, And so it's such an horrible illness.

The germ is so dangerous that we had to shut down the entire world. But now we have this cure. We have this vaccine. It is safe and effective. And if you get it, you 100% will not get COVID. You can't transmit COVID. The whole plague. Essentially, we have a plague.

And now we have a cure for the plague with no side effects. And yet we have this major problem of vaccine hesitancy. see. And you would just like already, if you just look at that, you go, so you're telling me we're living through the plague and we came up with the cure and people don't want it. That's a really tough sell. Right. Now, all of us looking back at that, we kind of laugh because obviously this indicates that they were lying through their fucking teeth about the whole thing. And we had lots of reasons to know that at the time and lots more reasons to know that now. But, you know, just think about the idea of even trying to sell that.

So what these guys are trying to sell is that it was a great idea to launch the war, that we did destroy so much of their stuff. And the only problem here is that then at the end, Donald Trump gave them everything. It's as ridiculous

as the narrative around the vaccine. It's as ridiculous. What are the odds of that? Donald Trump went into this war. He had it. He had won. We were about to get everything we wanted. And then at the last minute, he said, no, no, no, you take everything.

He pulled his gun on the other guy. They put their hands up. You win. And then you gave them your wallet. That doesn't sound right. Now, does it? Oh, yeah, because that's not what happened. That's not what happened.

What happened here is that this is the only way we could get them to sign on to the agreement, which Donald Trump was desperate to get them to sign on to, for obvious reasons. You know, it's like we listened one more time to the Israelis and their lobby and the idiot warhawks. And just like they were wrong about everything else, they were wrong about this one too. And, you know, I don't know, looking back at it,

it's like as somebody who was very critical of the 12-day war and very, critical of Donald Trump, well, the Epstein files the 12-day war and now this war in Iran again, and a lot of stuff in between. It's like the amount of shit that we took from MAGA, like, again, who cares at this point? We got a country to save, but if we are having this conversation, it is worth pointing out that MAGA right now, like if you're not the Israel lobby, but you just like support Donald Trump, just think about where these guys led you, versus guys, guys, like Tucker Carlson, who we're trying to warn you about exactly this, exactly where we are now.

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who were actually like very upset about this. There are like people in MAGA who, because, you know, Maga is Mark Levin now, right? And Mark Levin and Donald Trump himself has trashed Megan Kelly. And she's Grandma Groyper according to Mark Levine and Laura Lumer. Like, according to all the cartoon characters who are clearly here to serve as foreign spies, they all decided she's tariff. So now, Megan Kelly has really become, in my opinion here, a very interesting phenomenon.

Because Megan Kelly is so, first of all, she's an institution amongst like American conservatism at this point. She had the number one show on Fox News many, many years ago. And she's still here with one of the biggest shows today. she is one of the reasons why Megan Kelly is almost even more revealing of how crazy things got is that Megan is not, Megan doesn't even have the politics of Tucker Carlson, let alone Candace Owens, let alone Nick Fuentes or something like that. Megan Kelly is really Megan Kelly. She's kind of been Megan Kelly this whole time.

She's only guilty, like essentially her only crime from going from being like the conservative of darling, the person that all of the people trashing her right now would have had like just the utmost respect for and would have spoken about in like the highest, you know, praise. The only thing she's guilty about is not losing her mind with all of them through this collective freak out. Like she essentially just kind of went like, well, you know, Tucker has a right to make the arguments he's making too. If I remember the comment that she made about me in the.

the Charlie Kirk episode, the famous episode where Charlie Kirk was on her show and they were both, it's her and Charlie Kirk, right? These are moderate Republicans, Megan Kelly and Charlie Kirk. So the episode they were on together where Charlie Kirk was complaining about how like, my God, you could be the most pro-Israel guy ever. And I criticize one thing and all of them are like trying to, they're calling me a Nazi and all this stuff. So this now famous episode, which was actually pretty famous before he died, but became much more so after. At one point, she said about me, she goes, I mean, you were there to host a debate between Dave Smith and Josh Hammer. And then she goes, and Dave has a right to be a critic of Israel.

Like that was all she said about me. Like that, but essentially that is her position. And that was enough for them to say, oh, you're a Nazi for her to go, we could host a debate, right? If she just points out that like, hey, you know, Donald Trump is selling you at the beginning of this war, like, oh, this war is going to go so great. And you know what Megan Kelly said? Think about how, by definition, how moderate of a statement this is. This is what Megan Kelly said when the war first broke out. She goes, you know, I worked at Fox News for a while,

and I've seen a lot of people pushing wars and celebrating and telling you how great it's going to work out, and it never ends up being that. You know, I've seen this movie play like seven different times, and it just never ends up. It always ends. So I'm going to be cautious on this one. Like literally, that was her take. And for that, you're a Nazi.

You're a Nazi for thinking maybe we shouldn't launch a war of choice. But anyway, one of the reasons why I think Megan Kelly is kind of interesting here is because so Megan Kelly has been totally reasonable this whole time. She's still Megan Kelly. And in some ways you're almost going like, hey, so what comes out of all of this? Geez, man. Now Donald Trump has infuriated all of the non-interventionists, infuriated all of the skeptics of the Israel lobby.

Now he launches this terrible war. It ends up being the disaster that all the people he infuriated said it was going to be. Now he's trying to pull out so he's infuriating the Israel lobby. And so in the midst of all of this, J.D. Vance goes on Megan Kelly's show. And I thought this was just kind of interesting. Like, okay, here's the vice president. Now, I got to say, a couple thoughts on this. Number one, the people who were like upset, there are the people out there like are like,

oh, what is J.D. Vance doing going on this Nazis. show or something. It is unbelievable. It's much like with the actual memorandum of understanding, and this is why I made this point at the beginning of the show. It's like, do you guys not realize what a position of weakness you're coming to this negotiation with? You know, Bacha and the Fox News lady and Brian Kilmead, they can spin this however they want to. Who do you think you are? Oh, what's he going on Megan Kelly's show for? Excuse me, we ran this experiment. Megan Kelly was right. You were wrong. Sorry. If we're going to move forward here and we're going to try our best to at least get some wins out of this administration, and by the way, not the global depression that is threatened if this war isn't resolved. If we're going to move forward, let's just get a few things clear. This war was a stupid idea. You didn't listen to us and you launched it anyway. And you know what you did? You lost. You fucking lost. You humiliated the country. It was devastating. There's 13 American soldiers are dead.

because of the stupid war with nothing to show for it. So like, yeah, Megan Kelly was right. You guys were wrong. You should be lucky to get back on our team. The other thing that's going on here, man, and I really got to say, this is maybe as blatant as when Joe Biden put Kamala Harris in charge of the border. And you were like, oh, you must really hate Kamala Harris. because my God, imagine just assigning her your biggest problem.

Okay, in the same way this is what they're doing in J.D. Vance right now. They are sicking J.D. Vance with the responsibility of selling this capitulation. His job now is to go out there and explain why this war was a really good idea. deal is a really good idea. No, I know what you're saying. You know, a lot of people are saying that this is essentially unconditional surrender, but really, if you look at it from the right angle, it's us winning. This is his job. And, you know, in typical fashion, because Megan Kelly, and I don't mean this is, like, I mean this is a compliment, actually, but because she is a moderate very much by nature, she was kind and reasonable to J.D. Vance. She could have been a

a lot harsher on them. But just so we're clear, Miriam Adelson's favorite member of this administration, Marco Rubio, he's not being sent around to be the one who's claiming this is a huge victory. Now is he. Now, J.D. Vance is the one who's supposed to take the fall for this. And you'll see that it's already happening.

The Hawks are blaming J.D. Vance for all this stuff. Anyway, let's play. Here is a J.D. Vance on the Megan Kelly show talking about everything that's going on. Let's talk about what happened to the GOP base as a result of all this. Because it's divided. I know you've experienced it yourself. I've experienced it too.

It's been sort of a sad, tumultuous, stressful time. It's much more fun, I think, for most of us who lean right or right-leaning independence to be fighting with the left. But it's been kind of civil worry over on the conservative team since this whole thing got launched. And the non-interventionalist, right, feels very betrayed, very betrayed by it. Whether you agree with that they've been betrayed or not, Mr. Vice President, what do you say to those people? Well, what I'd say to them is, is one, I think you can walk through all the ways in which this has led to a good place for the United States of America.

And I'd ask them not to sort of view this purely through the filter. I know a lot of these folks are frustrated with the role that Israel has and all this. We can talk about that. but don't look at it from the lens of, you know, what is it that different people think about it? What do you think about it? Like fundamentally, do you think? I've talked a lot of them. Let's pause that.

Let's pause it for a second. Okay. Listen, I don't like the role Israel's played in it. Let's imagine Israel played no role in it. There was no such thing as Israel. Let's say Donald Trump just did this. You launched a war of aggression, a war of choice. against a nation in the middle of negotiations, in the most disgusting, dishonorable,

Pearl Harbor style sneak attack like a fucking coward, like a criminal. You launched a war against a country who had not attacked America over a civilian nuclear program, which was being monitored until you launched the last war. And what did it accomplish? You got 13 of our boys killed. You got hundreds of our boys and girls injured. you killed hundreds of little girls at a school, thousands of innocent people, hundreds of billions of dollars of damage, hundreds of billions of dollars of damage to the global

economy, all to fucking lose and bribe them to stop. What is this? This is what J.D. Vance has to come with us. This is, you want to send your vice president out. You're not going to send him on Tucker Carlson because it's been a little bit too heated there. obviously he can't do Candace Owens or any of these other shows but the one avenue you have okay he'll go to Megan Kelly and he's going to talk directly to fucking me i mean i don't mean to be narcissistic and make this about me i just mean that she mentioned the non-interventionist right i mean us talk about us

what is the implication here that we wouldn't care if only israel our beef isn't that israel got us to do a thing okay if Israel got a doctor to cure cancer i wouldn't be upset with you with them. Our beef is that Israel got us to do a horrific evil thing that's not in our national interest. Let's keep playing. The best argument that the nuclear program is destroyed, the Iranian conventional military is destroyed. We had, yes, a temporary rise in energy prices that's already coming down substantially. And we didn't get, as I said repeatedly, we were never going to get the quagmire that a lot of people were worrying about because Donald Trump is just not George W. Bush. So I would say first.

The first argument I'd make is, all right, let's pause it. We are right now. Let's pause it. And I think, yes, we didn't get the quagmire because Donald Trump offered him hundreds of billions of dollars to stop. That's how we didn't get the quagmire.

But their nuclear program is obliterated. But the nuclear weapon that they never had still doesn't exist. Listen, man, I think the war in Iraq was a huge success because their nuclear program was obliterated. Their weapon, their WMDs are no longer there. What a success. This is, I mean, this is just a joke. Anyway, keep going. You can make the best argument that where we are right now is a good place for the United States of America. And again, if we transform the Middle East, this was fundamentally worth it. Okay. The second argument I'd make, this is maybe, is this. even if you disagree with this particular action,

it's completely ridiculous to pick up your marbles and go home. That's not how politics works. And I've been very much on the inside of a lot of these debates and conversations. You know, some people have criticized our immigration policies. Some people have criticized tax policy or some people have criticized foreign policy. The way that politics works is that you have to stay engaged in the process. You absolutely have to make your voice heard. But right now, right now we have a very good deal for the American people.

And importantly, we have a constituency right now that is saying that we're going to send boots in the ground. They want Donald Trump to send hundreds of thousands of ground troops into Iran. The best thing we need people, but we need people to be pushing back from inside the tent. Okay. And then we're told. And then we're told. All right, let's pause it. Let's pause it because Megan Kelly's about to get to a very good point here about some of us have pushed.

back. But there's an interesting, there's an interesting offer in a way that J.D. Vance is making here. And I'm going to end this episode with a counter offer. This is kind of what I wanted to have this conversation with MAGA about. And this is why I wanted to close out with this at the end of the show. So maybe I'll hold off on my counter offer. But just to be clear about what J.D. Bance is saying, he goes, look, um, some, look, you can't just take your balls and go home over one thing, you know? You know, Yeah. Okay. I mean, the one thing was launching a war of aggression on behalf of a foreign country that turned out to be an absolute disaster. So it's a pretty big thing. It's a pretty big thing to some of us. And I know that this is for the political operators like J.D. Vance. I think this is something that's hard for some of them to wrap their head around that some of us actually believe in things. And so, yeah, like when we say we don't want to launch a war of aggression, on behalf of a foreign country that is a disaster, that's something like we're really against.

We really mean that. It's kind of a deal breaker for us. But he's going to say, hey, look, you don't pick up your balls and go home over one thing, not going your way. You got to push back from inside the tent, meaning I got to still support Donald Trump in order to push back. And the problem with that, of course,

is that many of us did support Donald Trump. I gave it my best effort. I had President Donald Trump's son, quote, tweeting me saying he's on it 100% that we're going to keep all the neocons out of this administration. We tried our best to push back from inside the tent. We were explicitly told by the guy up top that we're not in the tent anymore and that the movement is Mark Levin. So probably not exactly what we're going to do. Now, Megan Kelly is going to make the, I'll save my counter offer for the end, but here's Megan Kelly's going to bring up what happens when you do pushback.

I want to say, and then we're told, and I quote, those who speak ill of Mark Levin are not MAGA. Well, the president, as he does, is pushing back at a criticism of yours that he thought was unfair. Not just me. I mean, a lot of the non-interventionals. But I talked to him last night and I said, Mr. President, I'm going to go on Megan Kelly's show and I'm going to defend the administration's policies. Absolutely, I love that. Because, again, he engages. He engages and he's going to criticize you when he disagrees or disagrees.

He's going to say nice things about you when he agrees with you. But that's what I actually love about the president. He's not, he's not like, so let's just pause it there. All right. And we can we can turn this off here because I really, this is kind of what I wanted to get into. So here's J.D. Bans going on Megan Kelly. He's coming into this world, the podcast world. And, you know, look, what is the dominant media right now?

As people have gone over this a bunch of times. But, you know, it's like something like six out of the top 10 right-wing podcasts are the ones that Donald Trump hates. Now, J.D. Vance is trying to sell Donald Trump to this audience, and I'm going to push back against this a little bit because I don't think that this is actually what's required. And also, this is not Donald Trump engaging, as Megan Kelly says. Donald Trump could engage. This is J.D. Vance engaging with Megan Kelly. It's not like Donald Trump's going on Tucker Carlson's show so they can get into where they disagree. That would be, hey, at least then J. J.D. Vance would have a point, say what you will, but he's engaging. But this is kind of, this is kind of. what I was getting at earlier in the show when I said that, look, Maga, if we're entering a negotiation here of sorts, which in a way isn't that kind of what J.D. Vance is doing, right? Like, in a sense, Donald Trump and the administration, they're entering into negotiations with the Iranians. We're putting together this memorandum of understanding. In a weird way, J.D. Vance is also entering into negotiations with us. He's talking to the non-interventionist right.

You know, he's talking about Tucker Carlson and Tucker Carlson's audience. Okay, well, there's a whole lot of overlap between my audience and Tucker Carlson's. I'm a person who regularly goes on Tucker Carlson's show and I'm friends with Tucker. And, you know, so as somebody kind of in this world is a somewhat influential figure in the non-interventionist, right? Okay, let me respond to these negotiations. You're essentially saying, hey, I'd like you to, here's what I'd like you to do. I'd like you to stay inside the tent. I'd like you to support Donald Trump.

We can have criticism when we don't, but keep supporting this ticket now. going forward. This is a good deal. You know, you're asking something of us. We are kind of asking something of you. It's a bit of a negotiation. And much like in your other negotiation with the one with Iran, where you had to realize that, oh, yeah, you don't have all of the cards. You don't have all of the chips. And in fact, if you look at the memorandum of understanding what's been leaked, there's a whole lot of things America has to do. There's only a couple things Iran has to do. Iran's like, open the straight. Promise once again that you won't get nukes. Okay. and we're going to do all this shit.

We're going to leave the area and the sanctions, open up the frozen assets, put together the fun, like all this stuff. You're in a very similar situation with us right now, just saying you're kind of in that situation with us. You've lost. It's obvious. Even your own propaganda machine is saying you've lost.

They are not running with you. They're not defending you. You're coming to Megan Kelly now for the same reason that Donald Trump has made, that Donald Trump is making a deal with a RAN right now because you have to, because there's something you want out of these negotiations as well. It's not, right? It's not, look, here's the thing.

They know this. And this is the deal I'm going to make here, okay? This is my offer to MAGA. I want to hear your guys response. My listeners, MAGA people, I'm interested to hear what you think of this. The reason why J.D. Vance is coming back to negotiate, much like the reason why Donald Trump is going to negotiate. negotiate with the Iranians is because there's something we need from them. That's part of the reason

why he's giving them hundreds of billions of dollars. We need the straight open. We need, you know, there's something we need. Okay, well, what is it that J.D. Vance needs. J.D. Vance has to sell this thing to keep his political future alive, to keep this presidency that he's tied to alive. He needs to sell. He knows he's got the fight of his life now with the Israel lobby over the next 60 days for them to try to get this thing done. And so essentially he needs some backup. He's going to Megan Kelly to be like, no, guys, this isn't a bad deal. You know it's a bad deal? Mark Levin wants boots on the ground. That's a bad deal. And hey, you've come to the right place. You know, there's something that you want from us. And we kind of do have that. And you know what? I'm kind of inclined to give it to you.

And so you're right. You need backup. We need to defend Donald Trump making this decision to admit defeat and to get us out of the war. For the next 60 days, what I suggest, now again, keep in mind, MAGA, you're not in the position of strength you think you are. I saw one poll came out that had Donald Trump at a 28% approval rating the other day. That might be a little bit of an outlier, but low 30s. And by the way, at the end of this, Fox News turning and this whole war is a loss, 28 might become the mean. It might become the mean poll for Donald Trump real soon.

And so keep in mind, the country hates Donald Trump's guts. He's one of the most unpopular, if not the most unpopular president in modern American history. You're not in a position of strength. But here's what I'm going to give you. Here's what I'll offer to MAGA. I will tone down for the next 60 days, I will do my best to tone down my criticism of the people pushing this deal and ramp up my criticism of the Israel lobby, Fox News, all the people, Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israel government,

all the people who are trying to destroy this deal and keep the war going. I will focus my fight against them, and I will defend Donald Trump in doing the right thing after being solely responsible for bringing us to this point, a person who was uniquely qualified to know exactly why he shouldn't be doing this, okay? you came here for backup. We're going to give you some backup.

But we're not going to pretend what just happened didn't happen. You made your choice. You know, much like your ex, you still got a kid together, but you cheated many times in this relationship and you're not coming back to a relationship. We will help you do right by the kid, though.

The kid is this deal. The kid is the country. We'll help in that effort. We will get out there and we will fight the Mark Levin's and the Ben Shapiro's of the world. We'll make that a focus going forward. But we're not going to forget what you did, and we're going to remind you that that was really a deal breaker for us.

And so the only thing that we ask for in return, this is it. It's a very reasonable deal. It's not going to cost you nearly as much as the deal with the RAND. I'm not even looking for $300 billion. All I'm saying is that J.D. Vance, you can't be the guy going forward, and we need you all to support Thomas Massey for president. It's all. It's all I'm asking for. Fair deal.

and I think you're I think you guys should consider taking it and listen maga I'm talking to you guys here one of the benefits you get is that he's actually maga I mean he's actually America first he actually believes in all the stuff that you claim to the word sorry we are you made the mistake of listening to Mark Levin we are never listening to Mark Levin again and so now I think you you should get on board with someone who we can trust not to do that I think this is a fair deal by the way, we reserve the right to still bash you guys for making this decision because you did and you're going to have to live with that. But here's the deal. We'll fight against the people trying to hold up this deal. We'll give you a political cover right now for the moment.

And we all agree to support Thomas Massey for president in 2008. I think it's a fair deal. I think it's something you should consider. And that's our show for today. All right. Catch you guys on Monday. Peace.