Part Of The Problem - Another Assassination Attempt
Episode Date: September 17, 2024Dave Smith brings you the latest in politics! On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave is joined by co-host Robbie "The Fire" Bernstein to discuss the second assassination attempt on Dona...ld Trump, how it's being handled, the place for conspiracy theories, and so much more!Part Of The Problem is available for early pre-release at https://partoftheproblem.com as well as an exclusive episode on Thursday!Support Our SponsorsSheath - https://sheathunderwear.com use promo code DECADE for 30% offProton VPN - http://protonvpn.com/davesmithMy Patriot Supply - https://www.preparewithsmith.com/Get your tickets to Porch Tour Herehttps://porchtour.comFind Run Your Mouth here:YouTube - http://youtube.com/@RunYourMouthiTunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/run-your-mouth-podcast/id1211469807Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4ka50RAKTxFTxbtyPP8AHmFollow the show on social media:X:http://x.com/ComicDaveSmithhttp://x.com/RobbieTheFireInstagram:http://instagram.com/theproblemdavesmithhttp://instagram.com/robbiethefire#libertarianSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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What's up everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I am Dave
Smith. He is Robbie the Fire Burnstein. We are back from our adventures in Oklahoma.
And yeah, how are you feeling, Rob? A lot of big news we got to get to.
Well, I just first thing I want to say I'm disappointed
I didn't get to see one tumbleweed in Oklahoma. That's why I went to Oklahoma not one
No, I didn't even see areas that look like they'd have good tumbleweeds
I feel like the whole thing I've heard of tumble weeding in Oklahoma is just fake news
You've been misrepresenting yourselves to the rest of us, Oklahoma. It's not wait you get there. It's just
regular old cities, towns, strip malls, comedy clubs. I will say we drove from Oklahoma
City to Tulsa and that there is nothing on that drive.
Huh? I don't accept that. Except for construction of them extending the highway, which it doesn't
look like they need more highway. Literally, it was the most like desolate rural drive and the whole way
they're just widening the highway. No traffic whatsoever, but I guess there's
it's some type of government crony plan there. All right. I gotta let people know
before the country's over from presidents being assassinated that this
weekend porch tour is back in action. is extended porch tour ten more dates added on the road to filming it be a debut comedy special out in Denver so
Byron Michigan this Saturday, and then Salt Lake City on Sunday and sadly I can't do Detroit opening up for Dave's
This is your only chance to see me to try. Oh, are you not you're not gonna be in in Detroit? Okay?
All right, I'm gonna have to spend my day in synagogue repenting to the good Lord
Well, I guess we go our separate ways then Rob got a little bit too big for well listen, man
I do I will say before obviously we got to get to this big news of this second assassination attempt
But I do want to say man to just everybody out there like
I'm fucking really excited. I'm really proud of you that you're you're filming your first special
I mean me and you have known each other since you like
First started stand-up and like it's been cool, dude. It's been cool to watch you like, you know
But for people who come out to our shows on the road
They know Rob is goddamn hilarious comedian and your stuff is so sharp
I'm really excited for you to put out a piece and for people to see it and stuff
I think it's going to be great.
So yeah, that's awesome, dude. All right. Thank you, sir. Of course. Now we and I mean it, I wouldn't say it if I didn't mean
it. Even though I mean, I still hesitate to say it. I'm like, I
don't want to be I try to hold you down as much as possible. I
don't want you I don't want you knowing you have options. Okay,
anyway. So look, there was a second assassination attempt,
it seems, on Donald Trump.
A lot of these details that are coming out right now are,
let's just say, you never have all of the information
at this time when something like that happens.
And hey, look, in the Kennedy assassination,
we still don't have all the information. Many, many, many decades later.
I would say my first thought on this as I tend to like to start with kind of the
meta analysis is just that it is, it is so unbelievably insane that we all kind of,
we we've talked about this a lot on the show, Rob, how you just, you have this feeling even after the assassination attempt of Donald Trump, the first one,
even after Joe Biden dropping out of the race, even after Kamala Harris being put in there, where we all, everybody, I big things before this election happens, that there's going to
be things that are either unprecedented, or just
incredibly rare, incredibly wild, we and we all kind of know
it's not over yet. We still know, oh, you know, we still got
half of September and October to get through, you know, it's
like there's there's still going to be more crazy shit and it's just
really weird. That's, that's how you're supposed to feel when
you're watching a movie. You know what I mean? You're supposed
to feel when you're watching a crazy, like, thriller that like,
oh, they got to top this one now they got to do something crazy.
We got to end on some type of credit, but we're just watching
real life yet we all feel that way. And we've all known this. And so in some weird
way, I feel like we were almost like preemptively. What's the
word that I'm looking for? Like desensitized, like preemptively
desensitized to how crazy it is that this actually just happened.
And so in these situations,
I feel like you gotta almost force yourself
to really go like, no, that actually just happened again.
Look, we could get into the details
of what we know so far about this.
And I'm really not,
I think for people who listen to this show,
I was like, I'm really not a kook.
And I think I go out of my way to try not to be.
I don't like when people get like too kooky
and too out there.
Obviously there are conspiracies that are real,
but there are a whole lot of theories that aren't.
And there's a lot, you see that all the time on the internet.
It's crazy how there's a conspiracy about everything.
A lot of them are nonsense.
But if you just simply start with the fact that the goddamn secret service
allowed this to happen again is just insane.
And, you know, I'll tell you, sometimes when you talk about these things, you
almost, you don't even need to jump to a wider
Conspiracy because what's right in front of you is already so bad and you know in the same sense that
You know like I got I got very little kids if I just
if I just stop feeding them and
They die then what did I do? I?
them and they die then what did I do? I killed my children. You know what I mean? Like it's no different than if I were to actually kill somebody. It's the
same thing. There is a level of neglect and incompetence that is
indistinguishable from an act of aggression. It's the exact same thing.
And for after Donald Trump was
After this assassination attempt just a couple of months ago
For the the fact that they're putting this guy in a situation where somebody
Evidently with a rifle and a scope
Can be within a few hundred yards of him. I mean, I suppose you could say they improved, that he was like 300 yards away this time
and he didn't hit him in the ear.
So okay, a little bit better, but it is just like it's unfathomable that they would be
this bad at their job.
And when the job is, and look, it's just impossible not, in a situation like this, to not see
the pattern when the job is protecting the guy who has had the entire, you know, again,
however you feel about him.
I think one of the reasons why our voices on this issue are a little bit more powerful
is because we're not Trump supporters.
We're not the guys who just like, are like, hey, you got to vote MAGA.
We're not the guys who make excuses for all of his failures.
We call him out constantly.
But look, however you feel about Donald Trump, the guy has had the entire apparatus weaponized
against him for eight years, for eight years now.
They framed him for being a Russian traitor.
They impeached him twice on bullshit.
They've, you know, they've made all types of accusations
of him attempting to overthrow democracy,
inciting an insurrection.
They've weaponized the justice system against him
to go after him for every little petty crime that would never even be brought to trial
Against anyone else he was they had an assassination attempt
two months ago where the Secret Service allowed a
Guy to get within what was that 150 yards of him with the rifle where the guy is walking around
For over an hour we have on vide guy is walking around for over an hour. We have on videotape walking around for over an hour,
you know, checking out the area.
People are yelling.
There's a guy with a gun up there.
He's still able to get all of these shots up.
Donald Trump only survives because he turns his head at the instant split second.
And then after all of that, this is allowed to happen again.
You don't have to be a kook.
You don't even have to jump to a wider conspiracy.
That's enough. That right there. That's enough. And then on top of that, who this guy is, is
raises some alarm bells. But I don't know, Rob, what are your thoughts on any of this stuff?
I mean, I just can't believe that they failed this mission twice. I can't, I thought that after the
first attempt, you know, they would make sure to to get it right or they wouldn't have other failed attempts
I just I can't believe that they haven't ramped up secure
It's you know what?
It almost seems like it's a bit of another it's a bit of a bitch out where I think they're trying to make it that Donald
Trump just can't live normally campaign normally, you know, like it almost like they can't, won't give them enough
security to just go, hey, you're safe now.
And I'm not even talking about whether or not
the deep state's involved in these attempts.
I'm just talking about the actual secret service aspect
of it, of giving the guy enough security.
I believe that they told him he can't do more
outdoor events, or at least that was an article
at one point, where they told him he was to have to start doing indoor arenas for security
purposes.
Yeah, I remember reading that.
Yeah.
Yeah, I feel like I've seen him do outdoor events since then, though.
Maybe they worked out the logistics on that.
Oh, no, he for sure has.
I remember reading them saying they were going to cancel all of his outdoor rallies, but
he's done them since then.
Yeah.
But it's just with all the money we spend on the deep state,
or not even the deep state, just the military and everything
else, just have enough security.
It's two months till the election.
For all your talk of democracy and belief in democracy
and the democratic system, well, part of it
is that when you're running for president,
you get to just be safe.
And you shouldn't be every single crazy guy or operative
of the deep state can just show up outside your fence and start posting up.
It is so funny dude.
I mean like all the talk about democracy because democracy is you know it's it's an illusion.
It's not real.
It's never real.
There's no such thing really as democracy.
There's never been one. I had the idea that like, you know, however you,
you think of democracy,
the idea that the people really run the government does not exist.
And everybody knows that in a sense and nobody really believes in democracy.
Like nobody, there there's nobody who actually,
it becomes this word that's just like a stand in for all things good.
You know, like that's all it means.
There's nobody who, you know, like take like, say like the people who talk about democracy
the most, which I guess would be like, you know, liberals and leftists.
You know, take any of them and be like, oh, let's say, let's say 60%.
I got a new opinion poll that says
60% of Americans oppose gay marriage, let's just say, hypothetically. You know, opinion
turns around on that. And now say, it's not that crazy that this once was the case, in
my lifetime that was the case, you know? So maybe attitudes revert. And now 60% of the
people oppose gay marriage. Do you think we should ban gay marriage? Does any liberal actually believe that?
No, of course not.
And like, I'm not saying they should.
Like, you're against the policy.
What if 60% of people believed in slavery?
Should we just institute slavery again?
Like, no.
Nobody really thinks that the majority ought to just rule
with no restrictions.
No one believes that.
But then there's all these other kind of like,
there's all these, you know,
like secondary issues where like, if you were to,
so you love democracy,
but you're fine with Donald Trump
getting kicked off of Twitter.
Well, what is that?
You get to vote,
but less people can hear from the other option.
And then of course, as you pointed out,
you know, if you can't stop assassination attempts,
you really don't have much of a democracy there either.
You could vote for who you want to,
but that guy might be killed.
That doesn't do much.
But even if you do stop them,
but they're kind of constant and close,
then you disrupt a person's ability
to live a normal lifestyle, or even campaign normally,
or just go to sleep at night normally so it's remarkable um and and I don't know
okay I'm literally just thinking about this because I don't actually know what
the answer is but it may one of the guys said something there was a comment they
had like a press conference with the local police or something like that and
one of them said that you know, you know, essentially the, the re the issue is
that he's not the president.
So the level of security that he gets isn't like the level of security he would
have gotten five years ago when he was president.
Two months.
Seems, seems pretty obvious.
Like it's a pretty gigantic flaw in the system that that could even be said, because whatever
it is, in this scenario, when it's Donald Trump and there was just an assassination
attempt, you'd think the security should be whatever the maximum is that you're capable
of doing.
I think that's a reasonable expectation.
By the way, I think this is how a lot of us felt about Bobby
Kennedy.
It was like, oh, well, we don't typically give Secret Service
protection to a third party candidate.
It's like, yeah, but he's not a typical candidate.
He's a Kennedy.
And there's a history of their family being assassinated.
So give him higher security.
It's so funny how easy this is to solve.
You ready?
I don't work in the government. You don't work in the government. I'll solve this right now. You ready? How big is our military?
And take two of your marine groups that shouldn't be doing anything right now. We're not in any wars.
They should just be sitting around. As Kamala Harris bragged, there's no combat anywhere.
They should just be sitting on a base doing training exercises so why not make their training exercise for the next two months hey assist the Secret Service on protecting
the guy who's running for president problem solved what there's another
silty of six so is there a silty one two three four and five well listen to just
think that we have by far the most powerful military in the history of the
world and we can't protect our borders or our presidential candidates is pretty wild but the you
know the the idea here of saying okay so Donald Trump is so if what you're
telling me is that essentially it's always this insecure when he's not the
president like the guy running for president it's always this insecure when he's not the president.
Like the guy running for president, it's always this easy to touch them or to get that close
to them.
If that's the case, in a sense it is remarkable that this doesn't happen more.
And you know, you think about it's a country of, you know, 320 plus million people
and at least tens of millions of people,
like passionately hate Donald Trump's guts.
In a way that is even as somebody who is kind of known
for hating politicians, even I find to be somewhat irrational.
Like it's just, it's irrational how much people
hate Donald Trump relative to other politicians, you know, relative to
like, I don't know, you know, like any, I understand being a liberal.
I understand being a leftist.
I'm, I'm a Jew from New York city who was raised by a single mom.
Like that's my world, you know, whatever my politics are, like those
people are my people, they're where I come from
I understand what it is to be one of those people and I have no like
You know, I don't hate them. Um, I understand why you'd hate Donald Trump
I understand why you're a liberal but it is just totally irrational
For you to hate Donald Trump so much more than you hate George W. Bush for example
There's just nothing that Donald Trump's done that's as bad as what George W. Bush did.
Like I'll put it up, he lied us into a war where a million people died.
That's worse, objectively.
Maybe you don't like Trump's comments about Mexicans or his tweets or the fact that he
cheats on his wife with porn stars.
You know, there's things, and there's actually other foreign policy things that Donald Trump's done that are really terrible, but none of them hate
him for that. That's not what drives the hatred of Donald Trump. So there's you have this irrational,
intense hatred of a guy felt by tens of millions of people at least. And it's this easy to get that close to him. It really is just hard. It's hard to believe that.
Now I remember right after 9-11 thinking about like just how easy terrorism is.
And like that was you know like back in the days when like Dick Cheney would be
like it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when. And I remember I would always think about how we had the,
the, it was the Q train and the D train, I believe at the time,
they'd run,
they run on the Manhattan bridge and there's zero security.
There's, you know, like, I mean, there's,
they have kind of things where after nine 11, they were like,
if you bring a big bag onto the train,
it's subject to random screening,
but there's never anyone there doing it.
I haven't ridden the subway in a few years now,
but I used to ride it all the time.
There was never anyone.
You coulda come on with three packed duffel bags
onto that train and gotten right onto the bridge,
no problem.
And I remember being like-
People make space for you
because they think you're crazy.
They're like, sir, yeah, please.
Let's clear out of your way.
It's and I remember thinking like,
yo, it's so easy to hit us.
Like it is a guarantee, but that never happened.
You know, I'm not trying to put that out there.
Don't do that.
If I just put that idea into your head,
but it is, I don't know.
That's one of the things I've been thinking of here.
Like it is just pretty wild. Like that you're telling me. And especially like when this don't know, that's one of the things I've been thinking of here. Like it is just pretty wild, like that you're telling
me and especially like when this isn't like, like the situation
post 911. It's not like, hey, you have to cover every
potential target here, which is kind of impossible to do in a
city like New York City, you know, this is one guy, one guy
is the target. And you know, who knows what is really going on? But
it would be, it's just look, it's one of these situations where it would be, you'd actually be
more of a kook to not consider the fact that this also might be one level up from just gross incompetence.
I mean, I'm sorry.
Looking back at that first one, it is...
It makes absolutely no sense
that there would be this level of incompetence,
that this would be allowed to happen during a Trump rally.
And I am sorry, but the fact that there has been no...
almost no information found about that first shooter
is wild.
They're, you're telling me that first guy
was a young person who was so radicalized
that he was ready to go attempt to assassinate a president
and yet he had no social media footprint?
I'm sorry, no, that doesn't exist. No, that's not true. Sorry. No, there's no such thing.
There's no such thing as a radical young person who doesn't go on social media. That just doesn't exist today.
I'm sorry. That makes absolutely no sense. And there's just things like that that you're like, I'm sorry, that doesn't check out. His cell phone being traced to DC,
sorry, that's really shady.
What was that radical young person
who stays off social media doing in Washington, DC?
Like, I'm sorry, these are questions that,
if we were not living in such a corrupt system,
would be the obvious, like, all of our resources are going to finding
out the answers to that.
How could that possibly be the case?
And meanwhile, what's actually happening is like no resources are going toward it.
It's completely moved at, you know, like the media you think would be, if we lived in a
sane world, demanding answers to this question every single day.
And in fact, they've all moved on. And now you have this guy who what just happened to be part of the
volunteer Ukraine defense project, who spent like,
apparently spent a lot of time in Ukraine was there at the very
beginning of the war. Well, that's a coinky dink. You know,
like what? What are we now? Okay, I guess on itsink, you know, like what? What are we, now, okay, I guess on its own,
you don't like have to jump
to the craziest conclusion there.
Like it, look, anybody who's gonna go attempt to kill
a former and potentially future president
is gonna be a nut.
There's no question about that.
So nuts are gonna do nutty things.
Um, but it does seem a little bit that that does add one more major layer of
eyebrow raising that you're telling me this guy's, um,
this guy's motives and actions also happen to align perfectly with the war party.
You can't ignore that.
Like, you can't not see that.
And look, Tucker Carlson called this out well over a year ago
that you just you kind of you game this thing out, right?
We've all known this.
Look, I don't think, I think everybody who
like pays attention or has any level of like knowledge about how the mechanics of our system
actually work was always thinking, I was thinking this back in 2016. I had a joke on this in
on my first comedy special and Libertas where I was always like, oh, we're all just kind
of waiting for them to assassinate this guy, right?
Like everyone's just kind of like, I don't know, the CIA really doesn't like Donald Trump.
Well, what does the CIA do about that?
Well, I'll just kind of assume we know.
But if you game the thing out where it's like, okay, they tried to frame him for treason,
that didn't work.
They tried to impeach him, that didn't work.
They tried to invoke the 25th Amendment, that didn't work. They tried to, you know,
they tried to lock him up. That didn't work. What's next? How many more steps do
we get until the final one and keeping all of that in mind and then seeing that
there have been two attempts at that is,
you know, makes you wonder, you know, I'm not saying that's enough to get a conviction in a court of law,
but in the court of public opinion, there's a lower standard than that.
And like, I don't know, my eyebrows are certainly raised. All right, guys,
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I'll tell you my takeaway is that your left has lost their
right to tell me about how words lead to violence. And aren't you
concerned that you're and I'm sure we'll hear more of it. They
love it. They even said that our jokes lead to violence or, you know, trans suicide because you're talking that they can't change.
There's nothing they love more than talking about how your words that are inspiring other people to take violence,
and in this case there's an actual video of the guy going, well, there's never been an issue that's more black and white.
This is good versus evil
Ukraine we as good people need a stand for Ukraine and now listen I don't I think if anything the deep state's good about washing their hands clean by finding lone crazy people
so as to whether or not this was a lone crazy person or someone that they
You'll never know is a crazy person whether, right, exactly.
Although I think they like second shooters.
I think they like pawn pieces of a crazy person and then a second shooter.
That would be uh, that's the way I assume they operate.
Well, I will tell you this, as fun as it is to flirt with these conspiracies, the guy
is alive and in custody and that doesn't line up with how they would typically do things. So, you know, if this guy, you know, has an untimely death in the
next couple days, that would point more toward their typical, you know, the way that it usually
goes.
Usually their fall guy is supposed to be like moderately incompetent. Maybe they went fully incompetent. So, you know,
yeah, never go full retard.
Yeah, there you go. Well, to your point, um, which is, is a very good one.
It, it is pretty crazy the way that the kind of,
um, the establishment, you know, the,
the media and the political class have pretty, like, in unison been talking
about how dangerous Donald Trump's rhetoric is for eight years. And this is, it's a tactic
that gets used, I mean, this gets used on me all the time. I can't tell you how much over the,
you know, the last couple weeks, there was a lot of, you know, the whole controversy with with Daryl,
with Daryl Cooper, and between me doing the World War Two
episode, and then having him on the show, I got a whole lot of
this. And it's such a, it's such a bullshit critique, where
people will be like, well, they'll say you're running cover
for the Jew haters, right? So you're you're
Essentially now if there is somebody who's like a Holocaust denier, even though I'm not and Daryl isn't
Shifting the blame onto Churchill helps their cause or something like that and you're like wait, hold on
Is what I'm saying true or not? That should be the only standard.
The standard isn't then what someone else wants to do with that information.
You know what I mean? Like, so if Donald Trump says that they're, you know,
they're ruining this country or Hillary Clinton should be locked in jail,
you can't say like, he's not allowed to say that because because then his someone might take that and do something with it. But
then likewise, it's like they don't even apply it to
themselves. Where you're like, I don't know, you guys are the
ones who have been like hyping everyone up on what a threat
Donald Trump is to everything. And so yeah, look at that. You
don't get to play this card anymore. You don't get to play
the card of saying like oh
Well, you know which they do all the time
If you remember this is how they took out Bernie Sanders to or attempted to with the Bernie Bros thing
Was that Hillary Clinton was saying? Oh Bernie Sanders
supporters online or sexist
They're they're sexist because you know, whatever, someone online called Hillary Clinton a c***
or something like that.
So now Bernie Sanders isn't allowed to challenge her on healthcare?
Like what?
It doesn't make any sense.
And of course also, they never actually like, there's never like any scientific way where
people like look through it and go,, how many Hillary Clinton supporters have said nasty
things to Bernie Sanders or something like that?
You know what I mean?
And I get this all the time.
People will call on me to denounce people who follow me on social media who say some
bigoted thing.
So there'll be a thread,
I'll be arguing with someone about whatever,
and then someone in the replies will say something
like they hate Jews or something like that.
And then they'll be like,
hey, Dave, will you denounce this guy?
And I'm like, hey, a bunch of people who follow you
are calling me a Nazi in this same thread. Are you gonna denounce all of that? Are we gonna go through this you denounce this guy? And I'm like, hey, a bunch of people who follow you are calling me a Nazi in this
same thread. Are you going to denounce all of that?
Are we going to go through this and denounce everybody else?
How about that? Here's a radical idea.
I'll defend what I'm saying and you could defend what you're saying.
And then we'll accept that we can't control what everybody else on Twitter says.
So, you know, but anyway, to that point, there is something where if you're going
to blame anyone for their rhetoric,
I mean, look, it's not that that never makes sense. Like, look, I was the first to say I do think that, like,
while I think January 6th has been greatly mischaracterized,
and I don't think it's fair to call it, like, an insurrection, I think that's kind of ridiculous,
it's not as if a group of armed people, like you
know what I mean? Went there to overthrow a government or
something like that.
I went Oh, look, a doors open.
Yeah, well, for well, look, I mean, it was a mix of kind of
like a riot that got a little out of control. And then I think
probably 80 to 90% of it was just what you were saying. So
it's like, there was like this small group of people who like smash some
windows and had some shoving matches with cops.
And then there were a bunch more people who were just like, oh,
they're opening the gates. We're going to walk through.
If you watch the videotape of January 6,
it's a whole lot of just like tourism, essentially,
like just just your Fox News watching grandpa walking around.
Look at that. That's where they. and then there's some mischief going on
There's some younger people who are like taking you know farting on Nancy Pelosi's desk and stuff
So whatever I wouldn't call it an insurrection
But I would totally say that Donald Trump was absolutely reckless in his rhetoric and kind of like led his people
To do something where they were gonna get in a lot of trouble
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Like if you're sitting there and saying,
they stole this election from me,
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Like if you're a leader, you gotta be prepared to like,
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You know what I mean?
You're the guy who's supposed to lead a plan of action.
You can't just bitch and moan about it
and then tell people to protest.
Like I do think that's irresponsible. And in the same sense, there is something You're the guy who's supposed to lead a plan of action. You can't just bitch and moan about it and then tell people to protest.
Like I do think that's irresponsible.
And in the same sense, there is something to like, yeah, guys, you can't just tell everybody
that this guy is Adolf Hitler and it's the end of democracy if he wins.
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You know what I mean?
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They do they do make it uniquely about him
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I think that's a reasonable take.
I guess, you know, I don't know.
I guess the other question here is the political one,
which is separate from the question of what actually happened here.
But the political question, I guess, is, hey, we do have a presidential election coming
up in a few weeks.
And what impact do you think this is going to have? Um, I would say, you know interestingly enough
I think The biggest impact of this
Is that it reminds everyone of the first one?
And it brings that back into the news cycle for whatever i've been talking about this for weeks for whatever reason
Donald trump does not want to force that issue
Um, he did bring it up in the debate, but very, very briefly.
And just to go like kind of basically make that rhetoric point that we were just making,
you know, I took a bullet because of the things you say or whatever, but he doesn't really
want to make that like a central issue of the campaign.
This is fairly shocking to me because I think pretty universally on the left on the
right no matter where you are pretty universally the thought that people had
in their mind if you can zoom back to seven weeks ago or whatever it was when
Donald Trump was throwing up the black power fist and screaming fight, fight, fight.
Pretty much all of us went, Donald Trump just won the presidency.
That was, that was, oh, now you have to remember,
this is a time when it was against Joe Biden.
And so things have drastically changed, but it was amazing that like,
you know, when, when the whole thing about the election was we,
it looks like Joe Biden is too weak and senile
to be president, and then Donald Trump
survives an assassination attempt
and he just looks strong.
All of our monkey brains were like,
this guy just became the head alpha.
Like, there's just no fighting that anymore.
And you would think that Donald Trump
would wanna keep that moment alive.
Like the moment when we all felt like you just won the election.
He has not been working to keep that alive.
This is not nearly as dramatic as that because you don't have video of Donald Trump with
blood on his face throwing up a fist and the Secret Service around him.
It's not like, you know, this is just a report of what happened
but what it does is it brings that first one back in because it's impossible to not see these you
know in connection and so that I think might have an impact on the race this story alone it's almost
not sexy enough because there's not like video of it. You know what I mean?
But I do think it makes you think about the first one and
it does, it makes it impossible for people to not entertain
conspiracies in their mind. You know, like, you know, even
the people who say are like, you know, like the the pundits or whatever, the internet commentators who are would be saying there's no conspiracy here at all, even in their minds.
They're like, maybe.
Who knows? Who knows how far deep this actually goes?
That I think I think that really helps Donald Trump. I think it helps him when he's viewed as the guy who is the target of a larger conspiracy.
I think that's always been his strongest appeal is that, you know, like like if if you could
run a counterfactual and I don't know, I don't know this for sure.
But imagine when Donald Trump walked down the escalators
and announced he was running for president
and gave the whole thing about how Mexicans aren't sending their best,
they're rapists and they're killers, and some, I'm sure, are good people.
Imagine the media reaction and the reaction of the political class
to that
had just been like, oh okay cool, Trump threw his hat in the ring, he's running
for president, that's cool. We're not gonna obsess over him, we're not gonna
cover every one of his rallies, we're not gonna be appalled by every single thing
he said, like if they were just totally, I don't think Donald Trump ever becomes
president. Like I just don't, I think that his biggest strength was always that he just
pissed everyone off so much and then all of his people were like he sure does
piss off the people we hate the most and and this so anyway my point
essentially is that I think this type of thing is what helps Donald Trump the
most and this brings that story back I think now it's kind of a.
You know, it it even to me and I complain often about like the short attention span
of the general American public and the craziness of the 24 hour news cycle and stuff like that.
It was kind of amazing that they were ever able to get away from that first assassination attempt being the
story of the campaign. But subbing out a presidential
candidate and subbing in a new candidate is pretty big news a
few weeks before the election. So that did take a lot of the
oxygen out of the room. But I think now this kind of I think
this kind of forces it back.
Like I don't see how you can not, I don't know,
maybe I'm wrong, maybe in a week I'll be like,
yeah, no one's talking about this anymore,
but I kind of don't imagine that's gonna be the case.
I don't know, what do you think, Rob?
I think at least for this week
it's gonna have to be in the news,
and I think people are gonna have to contend
with the fact of, are people not playing fair that they're taking out Donald Trump so
My guess is so at least gives him underdog. Hey, they're trying to kill me status
And yes, I do think that you're right that for this week
We are gonna be forced to discuss what is going on in this country that for the first time in both of our lifetimes
We're actually watching. Well, I guess you were you were were you alive for uh
For what's his name for for Reagan? I don't know how old. Well, I guess you were, were you live for,
for what's his name, for Reagan?
I don't know how old you are.
I know you're old.
No, no, I was, all right, dude, relax.
I think we're pretty similar in age, but whatever.
That's not cool.
No, I was born in 83.
I think Reagan was shot in 80 or 81.
So it was before I was born.
This certainly isn't normal.
I think 81.
No other president has uh, you know
Survived two assassination attempts. I don't think that they're going to be able to get around
Uh discussing what the hell is going on
Okay. So look, I think that's right and and here's what I
Look, it's not like when with jfk or something like that, right? There's probably, with the exception of World War II,
I think in terms of historical events,
there's probably been more books written about JFK
than anything else.
There's like, there's just an enormous amount of people
who have done deep dives into JFK
and like serious, serious deep dives.
And so there's a lot of information we know.
Like, we know that Lee Harvey Oswald, like,
visited the Soviet Union.
You know what I mean? Like, we know, like, where he was.
We know stuff about, you know, him, about the guy who killed him, about, like, all
these different players involved. We don't have anything like that on what happened
yesterday. That's just, you know what I mean? We don't have any, that on what happened yesterday. That's just,
you know what I mean? We don't have any, not a single book has been written about it. It
just happened, right? So it's, I'm not like even saying that we have like a real theory
here put together, but okay. So take something like 9-11, you know, I was, I mentioned this
briefly on the show with Daryl, but it's like like so on the anniversary of 9-11, there's always a ton of people.
Did this not go off?
There's always a ton of people like on social media who are jumping into
the conspiracy theories and stuff.
And generally speaking, I I think most of the 9-11 conspiracies,
there's not really as much there as as people think there is.
I think that like like Loose Change was a fun movie.
Let's say that. OK, it was a fun.
It was a fun movie. We all enjoyed watching it.
No one mentions building eight.
That's a good point. I think it is there a building.
That's right. You see, you've never even heard of it.
I don't even know. I don't even know.
And no one's willing to even ask that question.
But okay, so essentially here is the real 9-11 conspiracy. And I think this is the only
one that's a really good one. Like there are some things that are like, don't add up, but
they don't necessarily, like, okay, like that passport surviving makes absolutely no sense
But also maybe that was planet that doesn't mean that there was a larger conspiracy necessarily like there's not but but here's the real conspiracy
It's not missiles hitting the Pentagon and it's not even building seven like it's
The real conspiracy is that from the redacted 28 pages, we know that there was pretty high
level Saudi involvement.
So here's the real rub of it is that the obvious question is, well, how far up exactly did
that go?
And we are going to get to the bottom of that.
Who exactly knew what? did that go? You know, and we are going to get to the bottom of that. Like, who exactly
knew what? And if Saudi Arabia, if it does go up, like, as high as we know it went, and
if it goes any higher than that, then that opens the door of real questions of like,
wait, would Saudi actually do this on their own? That doesn't really make sense. Saudi
Arabia is totally dependent on the United States of America, and they know that our intelligence agencies are
going to figure this out. In fact, our intelligence agencies
did figure this out many, many years before they let the
American people know about this, right? So Saudi Arabia probably
wouldn't take that risk unless they had a green light from who,
you know, no, who are they going to get a green light from?
And it's you got basically to Tel Aviv and DC are your two
targets in there. You know what I mean?
Like who the fuck gave you permission to do this?
And so, okay, so there now we don't know what the answer is to that.
Right. But the,
and it's a similar thing with, with the Trump stuff, right?
There is an answer that is revealed in the fact that no one's even trying to get that
answer.
Like that itself tells you something.
Wait a minute.
How has that not been the number one priority of this entire apparatus that we call the
federal government to get that information.
What the hell?
How far up does this go in the Saudi regime?
And who the hell did they get permission from?
There seems to be no effort to even figure that out.
And of this entire, you know, like,
this entire apparatus that we call the media, you would think if there were all these journalists,
well, they would be...
What's your role?
Your role, if nothing else, is to demand that we get to the bottom of that, right?
I mean, I'm sorry, is that not the biggest story ever?
You're telling me that's not a big enough story that you wouldn't want to throw some
journalists on that one, you know, and like the fact that there is no like political will to make sure we get to the bottom of
this and it's essentially just left to like some people online, you know, some some people
on the internet will try to figure it out.
That in itself tells you something.
It tells you something very powerful, which is that like, this machine does not work to attempt to get to the bottom of this. And
again, that's true. That's true with 9-11. It's true with the Kennedy assassination.
It's true with these Trump assassination attempts. Like the fact that, it's true with Jeffrey
Epstein, man. the fact that everyone isn't
dropping everything they're doing to try to figure out what's going on.
I mean, think about that, right?
Like how much, like this doesn't, what I'm saying, this doesn't give you the answers
to what happened, but it does totally give you the answers to how corrupt this whole establishment is.
And it's like, you think about the Jeffrey Epstein story,
right, that it, we know that there was a serial pedophile,
right, there was a serial child rapist
who led a child rape ring, which involved the most, you know, like powerful
people in our society, in the political world, in the cultural landscape, you know, like
they were all implicated this.
We know that it was a blackmail operation, okay, where they were were they were getting powerful people to rape children and then blackmail
them with that information.
And by the way, we also know that when our government caught them, word came down from
the top that he was intelligence.
Okay, like, holy shit, if you're a if we had journalism, if we had journalism,
if we had a real media, then they would be like,
we're going to drop everything
until we get to the bottom of this.
And not only are they not dropping everything,
there is no exaggeration here, zero interest,
zero interest in getting to the bottom of that.
And so, when people, like when the Brian Stelters of the world and when people
in the corporate media, you know, they get on TV or they write, you know, their articles
in newspapers talking about kind of like the dangers of misinformation and the dangers
of wild conspiracy theorists, right?
Like you think about the amount of,
the amount of fury that someone like Candace Owens
generates against herself
because she's going down these rabbit holes
and you're not allowed to do that, you know?
It's like, well, look, if you wanna know why
there's such fertile ground for conspiracies,
I mean, look no further than that.
In a sense, the biggest conspiracy of all is that.
Is that you guys have no interest in getting to the bottom of these conspiracies.
You have no interest in figuring out the biggest goddamn stories. And one of the things that that also like lets you know, it
becomes kind of like um, like what I was saying before, it doesn't give you
the answers to the actual conspiracy. It doesn't tell you was that guy, you know,
the first guy who shot Donald Trump, the first guy who shot Donald Trump or the guy who shot
Donald Trump, that guy, it doesn't tell you like who was he meeting with in DC.
Okay, he was meeting with, you know, a guy at FBI counterterrorism or something like
that.
Like it doesn't tell you that, you know what I mean?
It doesn't tell you like the details of what actually went down, but it gives you a window
into something much bigger than that, right?
So like number one, what it gives you, it gives you a window into the fact that you're
like, oh, we don't actually have a journalism class, right?
We don't, that's not what they do.
They're not in the business of news.
They're in the business of propaganda.
It tells you that the whole government apparatus, the whole intelligence apparatus, isn't actually
an intelligence apparatus.
They're not actually trying to figure out, you know, get to the bottom of what really
happened here.
If anything, they're a cover shit up apparatus.
They're like a group of paramilitary spies who are in the business of propaganda.
And in a sense, one of the things that it really opens you up to understanding, because
this is something I think also that people get wrong sometimes, is that they go, you
know, this is a very standard left-wing critique of the mainstream media is the problem is that they're
profit seeking. You know the problem here and it's not that there's not a kernel of truth to that
right like it is true that like there's a reason why all the commercials on CNN and MSNBC are like
you know pharmaceutical companies and weapons companies.
You know, I used to always, I always thought it was so funny that Meet the Press was sponsored by Boeing.
Like, what?
Like, is anyone, as if like someone watching Meet the Press is just in the market for a fighter jet?
Like, why the hell would you want to advertise on Meet the Press? That makes no sense.
It's obviously just so you
can cut a check to meet the press and just be like, hey, you know, hey, here's several
million dollars. Maybe big weapons companies never come up in any of your news coverage.
But the point I'm making is that we'd actually live in a much better world if it was just
the profit motive, because there are these stories that you cannot tell me would not generate enormous
interest like if the New York Times or CNN actually said,
okay, we've got this machine here.
This machine has I mean, I don't know exactly what the budget
of of the New York Times or CNN is, but in the billions, right?
Like they've got a lot of money, these companies.
These are not mom and pop shops.
And they said, hey, we're gonna take, you know,
whatever Turner, I think, owns CNN,
or at least they used to.
But so let's say Turner, this gigantic, you know,
multi-billion dollar machine was like,
we are gonna focus so so like a huge percentage of our resources toward
getting to the bottom of nine 11, getting to the bottom,
bottom of the Epstein story, something like this.
You cannot tell me that wouldn't generate enormous interest.
Like they would break all types of ratings numbers.
If there was one cable news show today that was just dedicated to that, it would be the number one show in cable news.
No question about it.
And so what what that tells you then is that you're like, oh, you guys aren't even in the business of making money.
You guys aren't even in the business of ratings.
It's not about that.
It's that like you're actually in the business of protecting the powerful.
Like you're there to make to basically run cover for these powerful people.
And that's look, that's essentially the only answer. It's the only answer you're left with.
Once you realize that they don't actually want to get to the bottom of big stories, they don't actually want to advocate for the people, they don't want to hold the powerful accountable,
they have zero interest in it.
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the, the corporate media loves more than anything else.
And you can watch this once, once you see this, you can never unsee it.
But what they love more than anything else is a story that will get
clicks that doesn't threaten powerful people.
Any story that could get ratings, but doesn't threaten power, they're all over it.
And so that's why they love a hurricane, they love a plane crashing, they love something
where there's like, oh, there's a little bit of disaster porn here, but no one at a high
level really cares, right?
They love fights about abortion or transgenders or whatever.
You know what I mean? Like fights like that.
They love. Oh, my God. Is there a new transgender bathroom bill?
That'll be wall to wall coverage on CNN because it divides people.
It pits them against each other. It gets everyone emotional.
So they want to watch.
And no one in power is threatened by that at all.
and no one in power is threatened by that at all. Nobody at the CIA is really worried about a fight about abortion.
I'm not saying abortion isn't an important issue, it's a very important issue,
have your opinions on it, I'm just saying that it's like that's what the media is there for.
But they're not going to be there, you will never see a story on the news about the secrecy of government.
Just never comes up. It never there's not like with very few exceptions like Tucker Carlson was
an exception and of course he ultimately got fired. You know there were like there were some
people the late Phil Donahue who was a little bit bit of a goofball, but he was a real one.
He worked for MSNBC and he used to do like real shows
and they fired him because that's what happens
when you do news.
They were like, no, that's not what we're here to do.
But so I'm just saying like, I think that there's something,
there's been like in America a great awakening over the last decade.
And there's a lot that there's a lot that contributed to that.
Part of it was that our own our own government class has just become more decadent and unimpressive and less able to
keep things, to keep the appearance of, you know, the illusion going. Part of it is that technology
has exploded and we just have, you know, like access to alternative
viewpoints and things like that, which I guess this show is a small part of.
And part of it's, you know, just because we're in a state of slow collapse in our country. We're in
the crumbling empire cycle of things here,
but it's not, it's not all good. I mean, it's kind of dangerous because things spin out of control and people have wild
theories and you know, there, sometimes that can be risky,
but I think that when things like this happen, it's like,
people on some gut level know all of the stuff that we've been saying on this
podcast.
I think almost everyone knows this on some level, whether they've really thought about
it or not, that you just go like something about this whole goddamn system is bullshit.
And you know, put it like this, okay?
Let's say hypothetically, we could declassify everything.
Let's just say we could snap our fingers
and we knew it all.
We knew everything that the CIA had ever done
and the FBI and the NSA has ever done.
We knew every, the truth of what,
everything that happened with Kennedy.
And I'm not even just saying like you could declassify the records I'm saying you know the
conversations you know the shit that was never written down you know what I mean
like you know what really happened with Nixon what's the story with Nixon
exactly I was like oh the most popular president in history the guy who won the
biggest election ever won 49 states a couple years later is removed from office
and the guy it was over a scandal at Watergate,
where almost all of the people involved were working for the CIA. And, oh,
the guy who broke the story,
Bob Woodward was some young journalist who wasn't even a journalist.
He was Navy Naval intelligence. You know, like, I don't know,
I don't know what the real story there is, but it sure ain't what they told us
You know and so like what if you could know the real details of that story and 9-eleven and the Trump assassination
Attempts and like all of it. You just got the real and Jeffrey Epstein all of it. You had all the information in your head
What do you think that would look like you think you'd come away from it and go?
Rock please no, I mean
Some yes, sure
But not all uh, but i'm just saying if we if you did know all of that information
Does anyone believe that what you knew would be remotely similar to the official story?
Does anyone believe that is there one human being in the United States of America
who actually thinks if everything was declassified and every private conversation was known and
you knew the truth about JFK and 9-11 and all of these things and Jeffrey Epstein and
all of them that you would go, it's just like they told us in the official story. That's
what it is. No, of course not. Right? So the question isn't like, are you a conspiracy
theorist or are you not a conspiracy theorist?
The question is like are you a conspiracy theorist or are you fucking brain-dead?
Like which one is it? Like do you have any idea like you the only type of?
The only type of good thinker is a conspiracy theorist
Then maybe the question would be like are you a good one or a bad one?
You know because like obviously I'm not saying every conspiracy is true.
And I know there are some of those QAnon people who are still hanging on to like, you know,
Donald Trump is really still the president or something like there's wild ones.
But no, I'd say this, no responsible person who pays attention to this shit can not be
a conspiracy theorist to some degree.
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