Part Of The Problem - Fixing Bill Maher

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

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whatever you want just it be gracious it's the holiday season that is true that is that was a good pitch there rob very i like you through in the holiday uh guilt trip at the end for your nudes. And then don't forget, I'm off the road for the rest of the year, but January, we will be in Philadelphia. I know we got a bunch of gigs coming up. And we got Key West. We got Portland, Oregon.com.com. Me and Rob will be traveling all over the country next year, bringing our comedy to this sad, sad world. Okay. So for today, I did want to, and if you guys are in the live chat, if you want to get questions in, we'll try to answer a couple there. If you want to be a part of the live chat, you got to sign up over at part of the problem.com.

But there's a few things that I wanted to talk about. I did want to open the show with this clip that I saw. So Bill Maher had Anna Kasparian from The Young Turks on his podcast, Club Random, I believe, is the name of his podcast. And it was they got into this argument, which I have not wanted. watch the whole thing, but I did see this clip. When I heard she was on the show, immediately you were like, oh, well, I bet they're going to fight about Israel and wars in the Middle East and stuff like that. And then you assume probably will, like, agree about, like, the excesses of wokeism or, you

know, the new leftism or something like that. But there was a, there's one clip that I saw going around. And I just thought it kind of touched on a dynamic that's very interesting. It was interesting. And look, I'm being completely honest, a little bit frustrating for me to watch it because there's like uh it's almost um like look i really like for the right i really like anna cusparian and um i i i hold bill mar in high regard in in many ways for you know the influence he's had on me but you know you're watching like a liberal zionist and a leftist

anti-zionist like debate the issue and um you know from our perspective i'm just like you guys are all getting it wrong. So why don't we jump in here and kind of correct the record? And to be fair, Anna is much more on the right side of the broader issue, I personally believe. But anyway, let's play this clip and let's give our thoughts on it. If you had to live in the Middle East, so tomorrow, Anna, you've got to go live in the Middle East. Where would you live? You can pick one city, any city. You can, you know, as far away as, say, Pakistan, you could live in Karachi. You could live in Cairo. You could live in Amman, Jordan. You say, you're seem to love Lebanon. I mean, Beirut's nice when the bombing's not happening and the

assassinations have stopped. Or you could live in Syria. I hear that's wonderful in the summer. Well, we now have a Al-Qaeda terrorist leading Syria. Or the Houthis, I'm sure, would make room for you. Yeah. Tel Aviv. Or in the West Bank, Ramallah, Ramallah, I think is wonderful for like a little, in the fall. It gets lovely. Where would you live? What city would you live? And what do you think you'd be comfortable in that dress? I'm sure it would not be comfortable in this dress in any of the various Middle Eastern countries that have been destabilized by the United States.

You're not really blaming it on Whitey. Listen. Are you? You're blaming Islam on Whitey? I'm not blaming Islam on Whitey. But what you're saying is still, we destabilized. That's why you can't wear that dress? Did we not?

Did we not destabilize? Wait a second. We were funding terrorist organizations in Syria during the Syrian Civil War, starting under the Obama administration. Did that not destabilize Syria? No, what's destabilized? There's a literal Al-Qaeda terrorist as a leader.

It looks good. I know it looks good. You're saying you can't wear that dress in Syria because of whitey destabilizing? I didn't say that. Okay. You're putting words in my mouth. Okay, great. But the United States did destabilize various middle-eastern countries.

Are you going to deny that? I asked about the dress, and you went right to destabilize. So is that why you couldn't wear their dress? Why couldn't you wear that dress? Why could you walk out? You want me to talk about jihadism and Islam, but like... Why won't you? Why won't you?

I mean, I don't believe in jihadism, which is why I'm furious. It's not just... That the United States just had a freaking Al-Qaeda terrorist in the White House. It's not just jihadism that is preventing you from wearing that dress. Are you saying every Muslim is a jihad? Bill. Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill. Okay, why can't you wear that dress? Let's focus for a second.

No, you won't answer this question. All right. So, Rob, seeing this, I bet you could guess what just frustrates me about all of this, right? Which is that it's like they're just both, first of all, they're both talking past each other. And then second of all, it's like, I don't know, dude. I don't exactly know how to say this, right? But, okay, first of all, Bill, and I just honestly don't know enough to. know this for 100% sure but like i do know enough to go bill mar's not as correct as he thinks he is

like there are like i don't know but like i've seen i've seen um pictures of girls in tehran wearing mini skirts now they're doing it like in defiance of their government and i'm not denying that like the around's government could crack down on that at some moment and not do it but like i actually don't think it's completely accurate that like there are no muslim cities anywhere where you could wear this dress. But regardless of any of that, the dynamic is that something about kind of like leftist worldview, and I think this is because they're somewhat fundamentally collectivist, is that they, you can't just go, like, look, is it true that American intervention and destabilizing

of the Middle East has made these problems worse in a lot of areas undeniably? Now, I don't know, like, I don't know if Anna would have felt comfortable wearing that dress in Damascus, but she would have felt a lot more comfortable wearing that dress in Damascus 15 years ago than she would today, because we made the situation much worse. So, like, there's that element to it, but also, guys, you don't have to pretend there's no problems in the Muslim world or take full responsibility for the problems in the Muslim world and say that everything is all America. his fault or anything like that to just go, hey, man, but that's not really the relevant question here. The relevant question here is what are we doing in this situation? Are we making it much worse than it otherwise would be? Yes or no? And so there's like this, the thing that's frustrating is that, and then I'll stop and let you go before I say any more on this. But it's like there's this dynamic where people on Bill Maher's side, the people who are really trying to

to defend Israel and critique Islam, they fall back to all of these broader critiques of Islam as a distraction from the critique of like, yeah, but what about what our own government has done and the governments that you are defending and supporting? What about what they've done in this region as well? And then there's a tendency on the part of like the leftists to agree with me about all the terrible shit that America and Israel's done to the Muslim world, who then feel they have a need to pretend that there are no problems in the Muslim world that are outside of what we believe it. You know what I'm saying? And like, it's like, obviously neither one of those positions is correct. And I think Anna would be coming from a stronger position here if she'd just

admit, oh yeah, I probably wouldn't be able to wear this dress in a lot of parts of the Muslim world. And I don't agree with that. I think that's wrong. However, I'm not going to lecture everybody else about what they're wrong about when what we're wrong about is genocide like just you just bite the bullet it's okay it's a you you can't admit that there also are problems with other people anyway your thoughts are up i think that's fair that she could have just said yeah i wouldn't want to move there and be wearing this dress but that doesn't mean that we should uh bomb them and make their regions worse pretending that there will then be democracy um and with that said i'm sure the destabilization in the region has made areas like i don't know i ran 1960s didn't people just dress however or like

egypt before the muslim brotherhood i mean i don't know what what was that like i think you can just go to dubai and hang out now yeah i mean i don't know like you know exactly again like i really i don't know how much do these governments crack down on their own people i mean i think tourists could probably go to um dubai or or go you know what i mean to like major cities over there and have no problem doing whatever they want to can the locals really dress however they want to? I don't know exactly. But again, the point is that that's just a distraction. That's not the main issue right now. Like when we're talking about this in politics, we're talking about policy, what policy we wish to see our government implementing.

And the, you know, it's like the thing I guess that's frustrating to me, right, is that the Bill Mar argument, you're almost, it's like, hey, look, dude, what's actually on the table and what's being like, say, debated, would be issues of, like, should we have fought the terror wars? Should we be so intervened in this part of the – should we intervene so much in this part of the world? Should we be supporting Israel as they destroy the Gaza Strip? Is Israel justified in what they're doing? Like, all of these – you know, should we have the former leader of al-Qaeda to the – or the former

Amir of al-Qaeda in Syria to the White House? Should we – like, these are the questions. Has there ever been a debate, Rob, where anyone was going, hey, like, hey, Rob, should we repeal the Enlightenment and reject all of Western civilization and instead embrace Muslim theocracy? Like, is anybody having that debate? Like, what? Yes, obviously, there are things they do in that part of the world that are not in our tradition,

that do not reflect our values as a society. You know, like, okay, yes, there's a lot of that. But that's not what the debate's over. Nobody's saying, like, in other words, it's on the table. If we have another bill coming up in Congress to send another $10 billion to Israel in weapons so they can continue this war, the option on the table is you could vote yes or no for that.

right like that's what our congressman can do nobody is suggesting anywhere in the realm of possibilities is that you know instead of her residence in los angeles atticus barian might have to go to Kuwait and live her life that like that's just not on the table and so like it's fine to have conversations about that but what ends up happening is that they try to have conversations about that so we're not talking about this very real latest proposal and policy that's going into action, which is actually what the fight is about, if that makes sense. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is the Wellness Company. Did you know that about 80% of the world's Ivermectin supply comes from

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dot health slash problem. Use the promo code problem to save $30 off plus free shipping. That's TWC.com.com. Promocode problem for $30 off plus free shipping. Let's get back into the show. Yep. She should have just said yes and see where Bill Maher was going with it. Dude, there's a, there's this great clip that Scott Horton had. I think the misis caucus youtube page put it up as a clip a while ago um but like where he where he laid it out very well where he was basically just going he went through all the problems in the middle east because he was like on a panel where people were talking about that um and they're like you know the muslims are whatever it's a clash of civilizations and these are how far and so he just goes through the list

i forget the exact list but it was something like he was like um he goes oh my god he goes there's all types of problems in the Muslim world he was like Do you know, like, there's female genital mutilation in Kurdistan, and then there's, like, the freedom of religion in Pakistan is like a disgrace. They execute people for leaving the Muslim faith. And in Saudi Arabia, they prosecute people for witchcraft. You know what I mean? Like, they have culture police.

They cut off the hands of people who steal. And it goes, and that's the country we prop up, our biggest trading partner in the region, Saudi Arabia does all this shit, you know, and he goes through. And then at the end of it, he's like, but here's the thing. The worst part about Somalia is America's war there. And the worst part about Iraq and Libya and Syria and Yemen, the worst part about all those countries were America's war there. And so what are we saying?

You're going to sit here. And I think his exact words were something like, he goes, we're going to lecture them for stoning a woman to death when we'll drop a hellfire missile on her car. Like what position are we? So essentially, like, even if you want. wanted to be judgmental of Muslim culture or Muslim societies. Look at the position you're in now, Bill Ma. Who the hell are you to lecture anybody?

Because you support what Israel's doing in Gaza, which is a thousand times worse than any of that shit. That's a thousand times worse than like saying a woman's got to put on a longer dress. So what are you talking about here? And then the thing is, for the other side, you just don't have to, like I say, you don't have to pretend that all of this is America's fault or all of this is Israel's fault.

And you can also admit that, like, yeah, you know, if the thing is, hey, which essentially is what Bill Maher's point is, right, if the thing is you want to go, hey, we're over here on this side of the Enlightenment, and you guys are over here on the wrong side of the Enlightenment. And like, you guys need to come over to this side of the Enlightenment. That, in a vacuum, Rob, would be a totally reasonable position to have, right? it. But then the thing is, if you're sitting there saying that, and then I keep bombing you back into the Stone Age and propping up the most radical Islamist factions within each one of these

fights, then not in a vacuum, I'm an asshole to sit over here and say, hey, just get over onto this side of the Stone Age. It's like, it's like lecturing like slaves for having a bad culture or something like that. Well, like, well, why don't you free them? And then give them a chance to start building something god damn it sorry go ahead no i it checks out to me and i would have loved it if she just said yes to see what is bill mar's argument so is it that uh we need us be supporting israel because they're the only democracy in the region of which i i guess you can go there and wear dresses like that which you can uh assuming you're not i guess from palestine and you can get in but if you're an american and i guess you want to go over there and wear uh

a dress, you can go wear a dress in Israel. If you're a Jewish American, I believe it's your natural right, according to Zionism, to go wear a dress in Israel. It's not, if your grandmother grew up in Israel and was ethnically cleansed into Gaza, you have no right to go to Israel. But if you're like a Jewish girl from Brooklyn, you have the natural right to go wear a dress in Israel, I believe. It's kind of an odd American policy.

So are we going to give large sons of U.S. money to other areas that will allow women to wear dresses in public? Is that like chief Western value and how much money are we supposed to spend on the cause of propping up governments that allow women to wear dresses? Why is that like is that the most important foreign policy or is he defending the wars that all these other regions, they're bad. So we got to go and make them worse to punish them for not allowing women to wear dresses. So she should have just said yes and then it would have been fun to see what exactly Bill Maher is advocating for on the basis of, where women can wear dresses. Yeah, right.

Well, it's, what it always seems to be is like, they're kind of like working backward from their conclusion. So it's like, well, we support Israel and we don't support the Muslims. Okay. Well, what's better about Israel than the Muslim countries? And you go to, well, okay, gays can get married. Women can wear many skirts. There's what, you know, like, whatever the thing is, it's like,

yeah, but that was that ever what the fight was over? I mean, like, it's just, you know, okay. And then if you're going to say, which essentially is Bill Maher's argument, Rob, like what you said, that is his argument. It's like, they're on team Western civilization, so we should be on team Israel. Like, this is a class of civilizations and we prefer, well, okay, that even if you want to accept that logic, I mean, I don't, I don't accept that it's a given that like, if a civilization is more like us, therefore we should be giving them billions of.

dollars or weapons or something like that. But like, if you want to say that about Israel, you go, well, they're on board with this whole Western civilization thing. You go, okay. But then you'd also have to say, what is this whole Western civilization thing? Like, really describe for me what they're on board. Like, is it really like, like, gay people can get married or something like that? Which I don't even know.

Can gay people get married in Israel? I actually thought they were pretty strict on that. But there's certainly lots of, like, gay bars and stuff like that in Israel. is like, okay, so is that, is that the deal now that we, that means, you know, and like, I don't know, how far would you take that? Like, I, but if you're saying that, it's like, okay. But then at the same time, you'd also have to go, look, being a Jewish state isn't exactly in line with Western values, right?

That's not like American values. We don't have any, it's not like we're a Christian state and they're a Jewish state. Like, we don't do that. We have a separation of church and state. we don't like identify as like what and we certainly wouldn't ever like with a minority who's not of who's not jewish in israel like we wouldn't just go oh we're a white country because there's more of us than the black people and if they don't like being in a white country that's too bad like we're not like that we also don't we don't militarily occupy our neighbors we also don't you know what i'm

saying so like there's if the standard is western civilization then forgive me because you're opening up a standard which allows me to criticize israel when they clearly violate the fundamental foundational pillars of Western civilization. But again, that's not really the point. Look, I'll say this, dude. Bill Maher, I saw a clip where he said, like, I think it was a few weeks ago or something like that, where he said, he was like, look, I'm down to have people on my podcast who I disagree with on this shit.

And he said, I think he said at one point, like, not Nick Fuentes. I wouldn't have him on or something, so there's the line. So I don't know. The line is somewhere between Anna Casparian is okay. Nick Fuentes is not okay. Let's test it with me. Bill Maher should have me on the podcast and not even the show. I don't want to do real time.

I want to do the club random. I want to talk to Bill Maher because, or he could come on this show. Because I, Rob, I believe I can change him. I believe I can change. I think I could convince him that I'm right about this. Bill Maher, as I've told you this before, Bill Maher had a huge impact on me. I found Bill Maher in the 90s. I loved politically incorrect.

I thought being like the the political shit talking comedian. I thought it was like the goddamn coolest thing in the world had a huge impact on why I ultimately became this thing. I would love to sit down and actually like discuss this shit with him. I know I think you can actually convince him that it's not a Western value to have people of other religions on the other side of walls and not allowed into your society so that you can bomb them. I mean, are you able to make that argument, Dave? I think I could get through to them, bro. I really think I could. Either way, here, just to get in more trouble, here,

let me say something that'll put me in the Nick Fuentes category, so Bill Maher won't ever have me on. But I do think there's something particularly funny, just in the current moment. And again, let me preface this by saying, I am not suggesting that we should live in a culture where Anna Kasparian can't wear a revealing dress somewhere, okay? That's not what I'm saying.

But isn't it a funny thing, just like in the current moment that we're living in? And I got to say, I think because Bill Maher, and I really don't mean this to be like too insulting, but just as a matter of description, Bill Maher is like a 70-year-old childless multi-millionaire. And that just is a different place to be in in life. But like for the moment we're living in right now, right, Rob, you have a second wave feminism sweep in the 60s, in the 70s, women in large droves went into the workforce, right? We now look around 40 years later, 50 years later,

and almost no Western, like, white country has a sustainable birth rate. Like literally, like we're being bred out of existence because we're not having enough kids. Kids are being raised in broken homes all over the place. People are having kids later in life, less people are having kids at all in life. There's more broken families than ever before.

There's also like kind of all types of like cultural degeneracy that's just been sweeping the Western world. And it's interesting in that dynamic for your biggest, you know, like complaint about another society being that like they keep their women in line over there. It's just a little. It's just I don't know. Like I'm not saying what, however you feel about that and have, and personally, obviously, I'm American. I'm not like advocating for some other. But I can't really imagine even living in a world. where like a woman well it's just it does ring with a little bit of like you're almost it's almost

like you're going like with um if with like bill mar's argument is like they don't even they don't even trans their boys over there they don't even can you believe that rob these Muslims they don't even cut the penises off their sons and turn them into daughters so that's how crazy it is in fact actually I think they do do that but the that's not the point the point is just like it is a little bit weird when you look at kind of like by almost any um by almost any standard the whole like gender equality thing has not worked out that well and i don't i don't say that as somebody who like wanted to come to that conclusion as much as it is just like empirically look at it dude if you know if it's hard sometimes it's hard to like boil down like terms like

Like, even basic little things like if you say this worked out better, you're like, well, what do you mean by better? What is the measure of that? But as far as human existence goes, it's probably hard to find a more foundational, like, version of better than are you reproducing? Like, I mean, that's how the thing keeps going, right? is if we keep having more, not saying every single person has to have kids, but like enough of us do that there's more people in the future. And when you're like, I don't know, it's just kind of hard to look at that and then go like, oh yeah, this is worked out very well. Just a thought. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is body,

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situation that we were kind of speculating about um marjorie taylor green wins this huge fight with the president and then upon winning it announces that she's resigning um what did you we could get into some of these clips but are there any comment any takeaway that you had from watching that interview well i had said it seemed that she clearly she was uh threatened in some way uh my speculations was that it was more uh from the deep state and that if she was going away it was most likely to be quiet and she is not she is full on spicy going rogue being like all right listen i'm not going to stay in congress so that you guys can keep giving me shit but I will continue running my mouth and saying all the horrors of this Donald Trump administration.

So I was rather surprised just in terms of giving her credit, she seemed like such a fighter that if she was stepping down after winning, the only reason why that made sense was that she was threatened. And now it's surprising to me that she's continuing to be combative on the way out. I would have thought that she was going silently. Yeah, it makes no sense to me. and her answer is just like insufficient like you're like so because i got to say like i don't know man if you if you run for office and you get elected you are kind of obligated to serve out your term like now i'm not saying that like nothing could come up you know you could there could be a health

issue or a family issue there could be something where you have to but like to just kind of go I'm not going to take it anymore. It's like, well, but you're telling me there's this tremendous corruption. You were just helping the fight to expose this corruption. Don't you kind of owe it to your constituency to like see this thing through? It just, none of it makes sense to me. And then I do, I got to say, it does make your wonder, Rob, with the, like, the timing. They said it was like just for when she got her pension or something like that.

And like, look, I'm not trying to be shitty because Marjorie Taylor Green has real. Look, being completely honest, she's somebody who I never. took particularly seriously um for various reasons but i will give her credit for being on the right side of a lot of really important issues and actually fighting for those issues but it does to me it's hard in a situation like this because you know i'm not trying to speculate about people's motives too much it's impossible to never do that but in a situation like this where it's like it just doesn't make any sense it's hard to not go like oh so are you just going to go make like millions of dollars being like a podcast or something like that is that kind of the you know what i mean or like

whatever like is it just there's hey you got the pension there now let's go find a lucrative position like kind of being that america first lady i i don't know um but anyway regardless of that there were some interesting thing she said um i mean she clearly picked an end date that includes allowing her to get her pension uh right with that with that said uh i i think she has family money from like construction business that went up tremendously in value the numbers come in my head it's something between 25 and 50 million dollars and she's also made like 20 million dollars in the stock markets since she's in office i think her pension is only like i think the total value of it's like 250 000 like it's maybe 20k a year now i don't know if that hell that doesn't that's not much

yeah i don't know if like the health i might not be right about all these numbers the health benefits might be convenient enough that you stay on like whatever the congressional like health benefits are for life that it just that makes sense the congressional health benefits they give you like fetuses to eat in the morning and stuff like that yeah and you also just don't have to deal with getting health care i don't know if that's uh uh if you have that for life for single terms in congress but the actual she clearly did stick around for the pension but the dollar tag is almost not worth the criticism right right at that level of wealth so i don't i don't understand that decision either yeah all right well look let's get into some of these clips uh marjorie taylor

Green on 60 Minutes. It wasn't a decision that I came to lightly, but it was a very important decision for myself and also for my family. It was sudden. It was sudden, but a lot of things changed. I stood for women who were raped when they were 14 years old, and the president that I fought for for five years called me a traitor for that. And so that changed the landscape of things.

So I'm going to ask you straight out, did you surrender? Did Donald Trump run you out of town? No, not at all. Actually, Leslie, it's more like this is I said in my statement, I will be no one's battered life, and I meant it. And I won't allow the system to abuse me anymore. You really feel abused. You know, he did come after you pretty hard.

He called you a lunatic, I'm quoting. He said all she does is complain, complain, complain in caps, and then he called you a traitor. So he hit you, whacked you. Yes, he did this in the same time span where President Trump brought in the al-Qaeda leader that was wanted by the U.S. government, who is now the president of Syria.

Then within a week, he brought in the Crown Prince, MBS, who murdered an American nation. journalists and then he brought in the newly elected uh democrat socialist mayor of new york that was the time span that he called me a traitor all right so there's a few things there number one um i think that was about as effective and a scathing attack on donald trump from the right that i've ever seen just like in a little short clip there that like holy because like there was this Dude, her line about just saying on its face that I was standing up for the victims of rape,

some of whom were 14 when they were raped, and my president called me a traitor for it. Like, dude, put that on a fucking bumper sticker somewhere, man. Like, that is just, that is the, like, perhaps the most effective, like, right-wing critique of Donald Trump I've ever seen. And then her adding in the thing at the end about how, like, she's having, like, I think, actually, and I hate socialism as much as anyone, it was a little unfair to lump Mom Donnie in with those other guys if we're being completely honest. Like, yes, he's running on some very left-wing populist positions in New York City, but like he's an elected mayor of the biggest city in the country. It's a little. But yes, Donald Trump hosted the

Emir of Al-Qaeda in Syria at the goddamn White House. I mean, talk about like, you know, listen, I'm someone who I don't think we ever should have fought any of the terror wars. I also wouldn't like exactly spit on every soldier who made the ultimate sacrifice by hosting al-Qaeda in the White House. But and the, you know, the point about the Saudis is a fair point too. But so all of that, like scathing critique. But then Rob, I also got to say the other point in there, and this is the thing that like doesn't add up, she and this thing would be so much more effective if there wasn't that element in there. But this, her answer about being run out was incoher. she goes i'm not anybody's battered wife and then in the next sentence she's going i was so abused

literally her words it's like if you were so abused then you your own analogy is that you're a battered wife and if you're leaving because of the abuse then how do you not say that he abused you and ran you out like i just don't this is the thing right and i guess maybe we could transition back into you know this or not transitioned back into but like just playing off of the thing we were talking about with feminism or whatever there is this strange dynamic sometimes where like i know this personally like men you know like it's a little bit different like the way we argue with women versus the way we argue with men with like when you're arguing with a man you kind of don't feel any need to like hold back sometimes or as with a woman you're like oh i don't want to be like mean

to her something like that and i almost feel a sense of that with marjorie taylor green but like i don't know dude like once you start when you run for elected office and you win elected office and then you're it's like okay well now we got to we got to treat everybody the same way and so essentially if your brand is that like i'm this fighter but then you're saying what you took what you got insulted by the president and so you're leaving over that it really does to me undercut the like i'm a fighter thing. I don't know. Any thoughts, Rob? You're right. It's just, it's completely inconsistent and it's not a great

it's just not a cohesive story for why you're stepping down. I got bullied out of it, but I'm not going to play the bully victim. But then you left. So you've kind of, you kind of folded. So it doesn't add up, but then also the fact. I'm not, you know, Rob, I'm not going to sit here and let you bully

me, but here is my lunch money if you want it. Like, you could take it and go get lunch with it and whatever. I'm not going to fight you for it, but like, I'm not going to be the guy who just gets bullied into giving up his money. So here it is. Like, it's that. What is that? No, then you are the guy who's getting bullied out of his lunch money. What do you want me to say? Sorry. She'd be better off just saying the system's so corrupt. I'm just not participating in this thing anymore. I did my best to try and fix it. I got the Epstein files out. That was the thing I wanted to do. That's it. But yeah, should be better off saying that. And there's nothing more that I can do. But I will continue to speak to truth and living a prosperous and fulfilling life with my family. But the fact that she's speaking to, you know, Donald Trump called me a traitor for exposing this and then took these actions. So it's shocking to me that she's going out swinging after stepping down. But I guess God bless that she hasn't been fully silenced. Yeah, I just don't know.

There's something else to this story that we're missing here. Like there's just something isn't adding up. And I don't know what it is, but it is. But also, I got to go. It's like, look, like, if you, the thing. is like it's like an if then statement okay so if you are this courageous fighter and if you rallied for the president of the united states of america and you supported him and you helped get this guy elected and then once in there you stood up for a 14 year old who was raped and he called you

a traitor for it then like if all of that then isn't the conclusion that you're not going anywhere and you're going to say that every single day until every American has heard that statement until every American has heard. I stood up for a 14-year-old girl who was a victim of rape and my president called me a traitor for it. Every day I'm going to say that for the rest of my term. It just seems like the obvious conclusion if what you're saying is true. All right, let's go to the next clip. I'm going to ask you about this almost solid support he has among Republicans in Congress, is there in that support fear? Does the support come about because they're afraid that they'll get death threats? I think they're terrified

to step out of line and get a nasty truth social posts on them. Yes. And they're watching what happened to you. Yes. Behind the scenes, do they talk differently? Yes. How? Oh, it's, it it would shock people well let's shock people okay i watched many of my colleagues go from making fun of him making fun of how he talks uh making fun of me constantly for supporting him to when he won the primary in 2024 they all started uh excuse my language leslie kissing his ass and decided to put on a maga hat for the first time i'm gonna ask you about so i thought was an interesting uh an interesting little moment there of course this is something that we all kind of know right everybody knows that the entire political establishment had nothing but contempt for donald trump and then once he

won you know they all came over to kiss i mean we all all you'd have to see right is uh is mitt romney's speech in the 2016 primary when he said we could we could find any other candidate but not donald trump which really was a historic moment like the previous republican nominee coming out and saying, we cannot support this nominee. And then his entire voting base going, we don't care what you say. We're supporting him. And then he talked about how Donald Trump was a unique threat to democracy and how he was a Hitlerian figure promoting fascism. And then as soon as he won the election, he went to go meet with him to try to beg for the secretary of state job. You know, so like we know they're all like that. I guess, though, once again, the thing that's

is kind of hard to ignore here is that if Marjorie Taylor Green is saying that everybody's intimidated about Donald Trump because they're afraid to get the treatment that I got, well, the fact that you're running away doesn't really seem to be helping that at all. Like you're, it's kind of hard back to the bully analogy because, you know, I said lunch money because that's essentially what Trump is is a bully. But then, you know, like if you brand him, a bully and you brand yourself a fighter it's kind of hard to be like oh look he's bullying all these other people all these people are scared and then it's like oh but you're you're leaving over it so like if you're saying you're leaving because you can't take the abuse anymore then i guess it kind of

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dude, I've hung out with Mike Johnson and he thinks Trump's the world's biggest idiot, but he's stuck with him. The reality is you're really just describing having a boss at a job that that's the way it is, is you got to play nice publicly. You got to praise the guy. And then you get together at a company meeting and you're like, fuck this guy. That's called every job that's ever existed in the history of jobs. But it would be fun and more scandalous if she named names and actually.

ratted people out for statements they've made at parties about Donald Trump. Yeah, no, I don't. But she still might. This lady's full crazy, and she's still got her fighter spirit. So we'll see what other kind of crazy shit she says when she leaves. Yeah, no, I do. I do agree with that. All right, here.

Let's play the next clip. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry here. Yep, there you go. You're right, Natalie. About the Epstein files. And he was extremely angry at me that I had signed the discharge petition to release the files. I fully believe that those women deserve everything they're

asking. They're asking for all of it to come out. They deserve it. And he was furious with me. What did he say? He said that it was going to hurt people. I had asked him, these women are the ones that were hurt. They were raped at 14. They were raped at 16. I watched them stand in front of the press trembling, their body's shaking, as they were telling their stories, many of them for the first time. And I had told him, I said, you know, you have all kinds of people come in the White House. Have these women come in the White House? These women deserve to be heard. He said to you, people get hurt. People will get hurt. I don't know what that means. I don't know. Oh, sorry, sorry. I thought that was starting over. Yeah, okay. But that's, I think we got the, the just of that clip. I don't

Rob, your thoughts on that. That one is dark. I mean, clearly very dark, but in terms of going out swinging, relaying that Donald Trump specifically said we can't give truth and transparency to the American people and we can't delve into this topic because people will get hurt, really does put some pressure on Donald Trump. What do you mean? So who are you covering up for? Who are these individuals who were involved in this racket that you have concerns for their safety? or that they will be hurt. And by hurt, I think you just mean exposed.

And why do we want people who engaged in these crimes not to be exposed? Well, the thing about this that's really so devastating for Donald Trump, and it really is like, don't get me wrong, obviously voters vote over kitchen table issues more than anything else. And like, you know, price inflation or unaffordability or whatever it's being called. These days are like the major moving. But this is why this, this, thing has been such a disaster for the administration man it just like can't be overstated and

at every at every turn that Donald Trump and his administration were trying to um to silence this story they always just came up with one bullshit excuse after the other I mean remember Rob it was the floods in Houston at one point where why Donald Trump shouldn't be asked about this and then it was that the client list didn't exist or the rather that the files didn't didn't exist. And then it was that the whole thing was a Democratic hoax. And then, but like Donald Trump is never actually level, even though everyone knows this is the case, it's either him or other people he's trying to protect. But he's never come out and said, hey, the reason we can't release these files is because all these people will be ruined over it. And then ultimately, of course,

he caved and did support releasing the files. So we'll see what happens with that. But like that this is just so damning because we all know this is true. Or like at least we also, like I, does anyone really think Marjorie Taylor Green is lying here? I guarantee that Donald Trump, I can't guarantee, but I think she's, I suspect she's telling the truth. And that Donald Trump did say like, yeah, look, man, there's like, and I think that's right that there's a whole bunch of fucking really powerful, really connected people who might. be hurt by this but again i guess the point which we've said before is that if you're going to make that argument you'd go like okay so in the most charitable interpretation of that let's say

hey there were a lot of people who didn't do anything wrong you know they didn't rape underage girls or anything like that they were just at ebstein's island or they just did business with Jeffrey Epstein, or they just did this or something like that. But the problem is that if you're saying that that is why we have to not release the Epstein files, then what you're saying is that the cost of protecting rich influential people who might be very embarrassed, the cost of that is so great that we're willing to pay the much smaller cost of not getting justice for these girls. who were victims and not getting transparency for the American people to learn something about

what the hell was going on here. And it's like it's a very clear cut case of like competing principles. I mean, perhaps there's a way to do it where you didn't reveal people or something like that. But like if that is the case that that's the call, like Donald Trump saying, that's why we don't release these files. Well, there's two things with that. Number one, you're saying that the cost of the American.

people not finding out about the nature of their own goddamn government and the cost of these girls getting justice that's just a price we'll have to pay to make sure that we protect these powerful men that's a pretty difficult sell then the other thing is that like if that's the case then you're admitting that you just lied through your fucking teeth to your entire base to your entire base you you were really protecting powerful men and so you told them it was a democratic hoax just like Russia Gate. How unforgivable is that, Rob? Now, I kind of see this as a kitchen table issue and I'll tell you why. I get what you're saying. Listen, if magically the economy was absolutely booming and everything was completely wonderful and great, it could be that the American

people would ignore the Epstein storyline. What makes it a kitchen table issue is people are just kind of inherently aware that we have a corrupt system and it's keeping them down and that's why we have these kitchen table issues yeah i get your point yeah and so the epstein storyline it really just kind of fits in because it's like well what is this power apparatus that is being protected and why is it being protected and it's kind of all one in the same where it's just like people are aware of the fact like this is a system to support the elites at our expense and the epstein's kind of like the trophy on that mantle of like yeah how did you guys get away with this one yeah no i i get what you're saying

That's a very good point. Yeah, because it kind of like, there is something, right, where people do want, and they're correct to, but on some gut level, yeah, people do connect the corruption in Washington to why they have all these fucking problems to begin with. It is, it's unbelievable how spectacularly they just failed on this issue. This show is brought to you by Better Help. As many of you know at this point, Better Help is the easiest way to do therapy. It's therapy for our generation. It's all convenient. It's entirely online.

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Well, Marjorie Taylor Green, look, obviously, by the way, I saw someone in the chat asked if I would have Marjorie Taylor Green on the show. Absolutely. I would love to have her on the show. And look, like, even if I did have her on the show, I'd probably want to ask some of the questions that I had here to ask. But I will say, hey, she was on the right side of a lot of very important issues. And this one in particular, got to give her credit for that.

I mean, she went out fighting this fight. she did win it. It's very, it's, it's, it's weird to see her leaving right after winning such a big fight against the president. But good for her for fighting it and good for her for winning. We'll see, we'll see what we actually end up getting out of these documents, Rob, or how heavily redacted they are. I mean, I don't know. They just, President Trump just signed into law a bill to release the files that he said didn't exist. So, I don't know. I don't think I've quite seen that before. So, you know, I've seen a lot of stuff. Anyway, speaking of a, you know, I mentioned that Donald Trump tried to make the Epstein

files into another Russiagate Democratic hoax or something like that. But speaking of Russiagate, I'm sure you saw, Rob, that Rachel Maddow was just on Stephen Colbert's show a few days ago. And this I was actually surprised by. Now, I don't keep up with what. what's going on with Rachel Maddow because I just don't hate myself that much. But I actually could not believe this. I had figured that they had all dropped this at this point.

But anyway, let's just play this clip. Here is Rachel Maddow on Stephen Colbert's show. I mean, literally they wrote the plan for what they want Ukraine to do and the White House put it on its letterhead and said, here it is. You better do it. And, you know, Russia is a podunk country. They're a huge landmass, largest physical country in the world. They've got an economy like the size of Italy, right?

They've got a kleptocratic, sclerotic government run by a guy who's never going to leave until he dies. The idea that we work for him, that we work for them, is so humiliating and is such an abject failure on the part of Trump in terms of his weakness. I don't know what Putin has on him, but he works for Putin, and it's an embarrassment to this. country.

I mean, literally they... I mean, it is unbelievable that like they're, what's an embarrassment to this country is that people like Rachel Maddow are seen in public. And the, you know,

again, this whole, he works for Vladimir Putin. Like, first of all, you just, you just have to either know nothing about anything or you have to be relying on the fact that your audience knows nothing about anything. And this is the only way, the only way that you could ever even get away with. Let's just like, if you just go over like the Donald Trump works for Vladimir Putin,

like just to be clear here, Rob, okay, Donald Trump is, he's going into his sixth year as being president of the United States of America, right? This was, where he's completing, about to complete in a month, his fifth year of being president. In the five years that Donald Trump has been president, let's see here, Rob. He tore up the INF treaty. Did Vladimir Putin want that?

No, no, he didn't. He sent huge weapons packages into Ukraine to Zelensky's government. Was that, you think, is that working for Putin, Rob? Well, okay, let's keep going this here. Okay, he bombed Iran. Was that working for Putin? No, that's not what Putin wanted him to do. He's supported Israel.

Is that what Vladimir Putin wants? No. Like, you could go through the list all day long of the things Donald Trump's done that were clearly exactly the opposite of what Vladimir Putin wanted. But what is the one talking point that she? has here, Rob, is that he took exactly what Vladimir Putin wanted and put that on as the peace deal. Okay, look, there is some truth to that. But Rob, why is that? Because Putin won the war. Putin's in the position to dictate the terms. Putin is clearly going to win. Donald Trump wants

the war to be over. The only way to get it over at this point is to get Vladimir Putin to agree to end the thing and how the hell do you do that if you don't give him what he wants like that's the dynamic here it in no way proves she's trying to take that one point and then go see this proves me right about all the bullshit i was wrong about for the last goddamn eight years she's trying to pretend that she got it right because he wants to end this war no the fact is that um by the Biden administration, and really it started in the Obama administration, but the Obama administration embarked on a policy. I mean, okay, look, George W. Bush said we were going to bring Ukraine into NATO. Then Barack Obama backed a coup that overthrew the government and put a pro-West government

in its place. Then, of course, Joe Biden, when Vladimir Putin invaded the country, decided to go all in on sanctions and weapon packages and an aid to Ukraine, and all of that failed. And Vladimir Putin won anyway, despite all of it. The failure was on that policy. It was the expansionist policy of the American Empire that's failed. Donald Trump is just admitting it. It's like in the same way, like, look, you could blame Joe Biden for bungling the withdrawal from Afghanistan, but if you sat there and say, Joe Biden gave the Taliban everything they wanted, which was America leaving, it's like, well, no, dude, George W. Bush's war failed there. You guess 20 years later, the Taliban still in power, you failed to overthrow them.

Now, however you feel about the logistics of how we pulled out, that obviously was a failure. But like, it's not giving them what they want doesn't represent that you work for, them doesn't mean we work for the taliban it just means that they won that's that any thoughts rob i mean this is the same nonsense as it was four or five years ago of if you were at all being pragmatic and you were pointing out that you didn't think that uh putin wanted to take over all of russia or that we were picking an unwinnable fight those were russian talking points and now if you're being pragmatic and saying hey it's embarrassing that biden talked ukraine into a war for a bunch of people to die for absolutely no reason on what's unwinnable because we're actually

not committing all the resources, nor do we want World War III. You're suddenly taking Putin's side and you're giving Putin a win, which is embarrassing to the United States of America. And it's, yes, this is embarrassing to the United States of America that four years ago we made a mistake. We got people killed for no reason. And we picked a fight because we'd like to pretend that if we just push anybody, they're going to back down and we're going to be victorious, despite 25 years of failed wars and that basically not happening. I guess we overthrew Iraq and had a disaster afterwards, but I'm just saying they like to live in their delusional reality where we're the United States of America, everyone's going

to get in line. And we have to hold to this illusion no matter what the cost is. And if you're not going to hold to that illusion, well, then you're giving someone else a win. We're just trying to be pragmatic and be like, let's not waste more money. Let's not waste more of our resources. Let's have not have more people die for no reason. Yes, Putin won this war. But guess what?

Keeping it going. Do you want nuclear war? If you don't want nuclear war, what is the pathway for us actually winning this? Can you like explain it to me, Rachel? Oh, what? We're just going to continue sending stuff over there and they're going to slowly lose more of the country and more people are going to die. Why is that less embarrassing? Right.

Right. Again, like, no, what's really happening here is that Donald Trump, despite all of his, his disastrous failures is attempting to end a war. And so for that, Rachel Maddow is going to say he's loyal to a foreign power. It's just unbelievable how she ended up turning into this. But by the way, Rob, if you thought that was bad, she actually goes further. Natalie, let's play this other clip before we got more of Stephen Colbert talking to Stephen Colbert.

We do. Yes, I know. It's hard to keep. Rachel Maddow is the one on the couch. Thank you. Here, let's keep playing. like the whole Putin and Trump thing that was so weird for all those years, which a lot of us reported on a lot at the time and got a lot of hassle for it. I'm just saying, it kind of

seems like that's now paid off with the Kremlin actually running U.S. foreign policy through the president's doofist gulf friend. And it's hilarious, except for the fact that we're now years into this deadly war in Ukraine, where they used to think we were their ally, and we were helping them stand up against this tyranny. And now we apparently have been captured by the Kremlin and work for Vladimir Putin. I mean, it really just feels like. I mean, can you imagine the nerve of this woman, Rob? The nerve of her to just try to do this yada yada, like all these things that were weird that a lot of us were reporting on at the time and we got a lot of flack for and now look at it. We worked for Vladimir Putin like, hey, Rachel Maddo, be really specific about the weird things you were reporting on at the

You mean all of the things that got proven wrong? The ridiculous misreporting from Helsinki, the steel dossier, the Trump Tower meeting, every single thing that fell apart and was a big nothing burger. Because you made the wild accusation eight years ago, nine years ago, that Donald Trump was a spy for Vladimir Putin, that Putin had interfered in the election to overthrow it from Hillary Clinton and give it to Donald Trump and that Donald Trump was involved in the conspiracy to overthrow that election.

That was the claim. There has been zero evidence ever to back this up. There was no reason to believe it. They made up a bunch of non-stories. Every one of them collapsed. Every one of them fell apart. And by the way, the flack that she got while she was covering that was, you know,

New York Times reporters winning Pulitzer prizes over, you know, the thing. Like it's like, yeah, no, you didn't get flak. You got record high ratings. When the whole thing got exposed, you got flack. I mean, maybe people like me and you were giving her flack the whole time for it. But that's because you were doing bullshit propaganda. You had a $30 million federal investigation that came up with nothing, nothing. No connection.

No connection between Donald Trump. No conspiracy at all for him to be connected to. That's what happened when you guys were all every day on MSNBC saying, Literally, on MSNBC, wasn't on Rachel Maddo show, it was on Lawrence O'Donnell show, where Brennan, the former CIA chief, said two weeks before the Mueller report was to be finished, said that we were going to see Donald Trump and his family members let off in handcuffs. That's what we were about to see. And then you know what we saw when the report came out?

No, none of that. found no evidence that Donald Trump committed any crime. And then we got the Durham report. And the Durham report showed us that the FBI lied their asses off, that it was all a big con job to try to frame the president. And then we got the Tulsi Gabbard documents that demonstrate that it was a decision made by the Obama administration, that it was the consensus amongst the intelligence community.

Not that there was no conspiracy. I want to be very clear about this. Not that there wasn't a conspiracy that Donald Trump, Trump was in on this conspiracy with Russia to interfere in the election, the consensus from the intelligence community was that there was no interference. There wasn't even a thing for ther to have been a conspiracy about. And of course there wasn't. It's also ridiculous. Donald Trump is a million things, including a war criminal, including a failed president, including a con man. He's a lot of things. He was not a spy for Vladimir Putin. This is the

coochiest thing ever. I'm sorry, this is objectively coquier than anything the coochiest conspiracy theorist ever said. It's, it's like, like if Alex Jones

had said that Barack Obama was like working for the Chinese or something like that, you'd be like, wait, okay, that's just like too fucking crazy. That can't be true. That's Rachel Maddo. And she still defends it to this day.

Last I checked, Donald Trump is working hard on initiating Putin's agenda in Iraq, Syria, and Venezuela, because as a Putin asset, he's hoping to institute more American influence in these locations. Well, just even like you'd go, hey, like, so if Putin, Putin has hijacked our foreign policy, we work for Putin now. The White House works for the Kremlin. Why?

It's like it is on the level of when Ben Shapiro said that the Biden administration worked for Hamas. You're like, but I just feel like maybe they wouldn't be bombing them then, you know? Like, I just feel like wouldn't, wouldn't you say, hey, now that Vladimir Putin has captured our foreign policy, at what point do you think he's going to get some sanction relief? Is that a fair question? Why do we have sanctions against Vladimir Putin if he's the one really running the whole show? And we can send back all that money that we have, the $300 billion or whatever that was, that we, that we, is still contested and has him a given back.

Right, right. Yeah, somehow Vladimir Putin, yeah, it just seems like, like, oh, yeah, that's crazy. Vladimir Putin, who now runs our foreign policy, you really got to clean up all these anti-Pooten measures that we've been taking. Or, or the other option is that Rachel Maddow's a fucking idiot. That's the other thing that could be going on here. Anyway, we're going to wrap up our show there, but we will be back tomorrow with a brand new episode, regular time, 1 p.m. tomorrow.

Catch you guys then. Thank you.