Part Of The Problem - Is the Nightmare Over?

Episode Date: October 15, 2025

Dave Smith brings you the latest in politics! On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave is joined by co-host Robbie "The Fire" Bernstein to discuss Trump's public statements about the ceas...efire between Israel and Palestine, Ben Shapiro's thoughts on those who called it a genocide, and more.Support Our Sponsors:For the men! Balance hormones naturally with MARS from The Wellness Company! https://twc.health/problem and use code PROBLEM for 10% + Free Shipping on all orders.CrowdHealth - https://www.joincrowdhealth.com/promos/potpProlon - https://prolonlife.com/potpMonetary Metals - https://www.monetary-metals.com/potp/Part Of The Problem is available for early pre-release at https://partoftheproblem.com as well as an exclusive episode on Thursday!PORCH TOUR DATES HERE:https://www.eventbrite.com/cc/porch-tour-2025-4222673Find Run Your Mouth here:YouTube - http://youtube.com/@RunYourMouthiTunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/run-your-mouth-podcast/id1211469807Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4ka50RAKTxFTxbtyPP8AHmFollow the show on social media:X:http://x.com/ComicDaveSmithhttp://x.com/RobbieTheFireInstagram:http://instagram.com/theproblemdavesmithhttp://instagram.com/robbiethefire#libertarianSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 what is up everybody welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem i am dave smith he is robby the fire bernstein out on the road we thought he may not be able to to make it onto this one but we're we're very lucky to have you here rob it's good it's good to see you after what we've been apart for 48 hours or something like that but rob of course the hardest working man in comedy and is out there on the road the whole week and then we will be out in Tampa this weekend at side splitters which is one of our just favorite clubs
Starting point is 00:00:39 me and Rob both both love that place always a good time when we're down there so looking forward to being back I believe Tom Woods is coming out to one of the shows so we'll get to hang out with the master for a little bit should be a fun time comic davesmith.com for all those ticket links and do you have any shows
Starting point is 00:00:56 in between now and then Rob? Well shout out Childerberg this past Sunday. It was a nightmare getting to Texas for it, but I had so much fun. I wish I could hung out more. And then next weekend, I'm out in California, got shows in Los Angeles and outside of San Diego. And then after that, I added a New York City run, added Charleston, got a Boston, New Hampshire, Jacksonville, Florida, Savannah, and I think that's it for the year. Go to porch store.com and get some tickets. Man, it is all that time I spend loving my wife and children. Rob just spends doing more comedy. It really is. It's impressive. But good for you.
Starting point is 00:01:30 Go check out, Rob. Of course, absolutely hilarious. All right. Let's get into it. Obviously, the big topic for today is this ceasefire in the Middle East. And, you know, this is a conflict that we've spent a lot of time talking about over the last couple years. And I've, you know, obviously done many high-profile debates on the topic and many high-profile shows on the topic. and it you know it's an interesting moment that we have here um we talked briefly about this on our
Starting point is 00:02:07 last episode i guess we'd had you know trump was the ceasefire had not been signed yet at this time but trump was saying we have a ceasefire and it's done i guess the first thing i would say is i am uh i mean look i just if i'm just being honest with you guys as is my job and to call it like i see it i I would have said this already before the news that just broke about an hour ago, which is not good. We'll get into that in a second. But I'm really just not optimistic about this. You know, there's just for it's being like, you know, as often happens in these moments, Rob, there's like when you're paying attention to news, there are just these moments where there's like waves. There's, there's, you know, there's like a tornado of it for people are celebrate.
Starting point is 00:02:54 should Donald Trump get a Nobel Peace Prize, you know, all this stuff about the greatest, grandest peace deal in modern history or something like that. And it's like, guys, we've had ceasefires before over the last two years of this conflict that have broken down. There's been ceasefires, many ceasefires over the decades between the Israelis and the Palestinians. Many have been broken by Israel, several have been broken by Hamas. Like, it's just, we're really just not there. I hope more than anybody else or not more than anybody else i'm sure there's some people in gazu hope a little bit more but as much as anybody here in america i hope this goddamn thing is over um uh there's a lot a lot that has to happen between this and an actual peace um and we can
Starting point is 00:03:43 kind of get into that because there's there's like there's a major difference between a ceasefire and lasting peace and that all of that being said It is very good. Like this is a very positive development over this weekend. There's no question. It's a step in the right direction. Things are in a much better place right now than they were just last week. So that's great.
Starting point is 00:04:09 You know, there's from my understanding of this, there, well, I saw it reported. There's, I think Israel killed like six or seven people in Gaza over the weekend. So it's not as if they haven't killed anybody there, but that is way down, way down from a typical weekend over the last couple of years where you'd probably be looking at a couple hundred people dead. So that's something that's really good. There is supposed to be increased aid coming into Gaza. We will see what actually ends up with that. And there's been, you know, the remaining Israeli hostages in Gaza have been. been released in our home. A whole bunch of Palestinians who Israel was holding have been released
Starting point is 00:04:57 as well. And so, look, in this imperfect world we live in, that is better than nothing. And like, less people dying is better than more people dying. And hostages being returned are better than hostages being kept in captivity. So we should, you know, be happy about that. But in terms of the the short term let alone mid or long term prospects for peace there's just still a lot of obstacles here that i don't see how they're going to be addressed so any any thoughts you have you got to love don't trump's closing energy though that he's already done full celebration signing ceremonies in the work uh as he pushes everyone along into it like no this is totally done it's complete we're good to go and uh you got admire it you know i i guess that's kind of how he pushes things forward so
Starting point is 00:05:45 So in this case, hopefully it sticks. Otherwise, he's going to look like quite the asshole. Yes, but, you know, there's a very interesting dynamic that you just touched on there, which is one of the things that's kind of unique about this moment. It does, look, typically speaking, and even still now, right? Like, I don't, I'm turned off by that, by the, the, you're hanging your mission accomplished banner up after a couple days of the rate of killing slowing down. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:06:14 like we don't like but they're doing a good job of uh um brushing any infractions by the israelis throughout this war under the rug which uh maybe that's necessary to move forward with peace um but you know i i think uh talk of pardons or otherwise i think uh for the sake of universal justice you'd like to see more accountability but yeah yeah no agreed but look like no i agree with your point but i think as you're saying there it's like look whatever like maybe that's just not the thing that's actually going to move this to be in a better place. I don't necessarily agree with that. But the point I was making
Starting point is 00:06:49 because I think what you touched on there is like maybe the most interesting dynamic of all of this is that like you're absolutely right that essentially Donald Trump has gone all in on this. He's really put all his chips in to like I just made this historic peace deal.
Starting point is 00:07:06 And what's interesting about that where is like I don't I'm just watching cameras. I don't know what's going on with the other one. Yeah. no problem um but like so i don't i don't like the bluster and the you know like this like it's what don't trump's truly great at though right like no one throws an event like donald trump um but i don't like that stuff it's like stop trying to trick me into thinking something happened that it didn't happen but the thing in this dynamic is that that might almost be what's
Starting point is 00:07:36 necessary to make the thing stick is that now donald trump has been pushed to a point where he it is even more clearly like again in his political interest for this thing to stick and it is a betrayal of him and his legacy if one side violates this thing and so that that adds an interesting dynamic all right guys let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is the wellness company we've all heard the studies testosterone in young men is drastically decreasing every decade. One major study in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism found a healthy 22-year-old in 2000 had doubled the testosterone of a 22-year-old in 2025.
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Starting point is 00:09:30 Let's get back into the show. I actually don't think he's tricking you here. And I think he's tricking Netanyahu. I think that's who he's trying to pin. I think he's trying to push this thing forward. that maybe is even a good deal for Netanyahu, but I don't think this is what he was looking for. I think he was looking to finish his mission, which was eradicating Hamas and, you know, potentially mowing more of the lawn in Gaza.
Starting point is 00:09:54 Well, look, and ethnically cleansing the place and taking it. Yeah. Well, that's, yes. Well, I mean, look, I'm just saying it's not this, again, one of the things that's interesting about, like, all of this. Like, and this is true, whenever I talk about, like, the clean break or the neocons or the Israeli government or, like, any of these topics, I'm almost never, say, almost never alleging a secret conspiracy. Like, maybe with the exception of, like, Epstein, where we look at that and raise some eyebrows about how, you know, the Prime Minister of Israel is, like, staying at his New York City apartment. and that's, and your wife's dad was a massage spot. Like, okay, that's, you know, that's kind of interesting stuff there.
Starting point is 00:10:41 But aside from that, it's all out in the open. Like, I'm not alleging some secret plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza. I'm saying, like, the prime minister and the finance minister and the defense minister and the president of the United States have all laid out public plans about kicking all the Gazans out of Gaza and rebuilding it. And one of them, I think you're absolutely right, that it seems. very clear here that Donald Trump actually did pressure Netanyahu into this ceasefire. And then the question becomes, did all those guys just give up on that ambition?
Starting point is 00:11:17 Because I'm not sure they did. And I don't think that, you know, I hope that they did. But it's quite possible that they're going to get right back to this thing. And we'll see. Anyway, as I mentioned earlier, I should say, but it was just reported maybe like an hour before we started recording that Israel has said that because Gaza, this is really just incredible to me, I think in a lot of ways, Rob, this, well, you know, it kind of, it explains why so many of us are not optimistic about the prospects for PCR. But I really think this just, this goes to the
Starting point is 00:12:02 heart of the entire conflict and why so many of us are so appalled by it. This goes right to the heart of this. So this is from the Associated Press just in. Israel plans to have the number of aid trucks into Gaza and limit distribution of assistance due to Hamas, quote, violating ceasefire agreement with slow return of dead hostages. Now, it was, And I was just talking to Dave DeCamp about this earlier today, but it was known at the very beginning of the ceasefire that it was going to be very difficult for Gaza to get some of the remains of these hostages and that, you know, it's whatever, it was going to take some time.
Starting point is 00:12:48 But I just, there is something like, Rob, is there a better example? And don't get me wrong, I mean, we've, over the last two years, we've listed like 100,000 examples like this. But is there a better example of like the horrific cruelty that Israel treats the Palestinian people with. Like, this is simply, and I'm sorry, like they can argue, all these fucking hacks can argue all they want to,
Starting point is 00:13:13 most moral army in the world, all this nonsense. This is simply not how people fight wars in the modern day. This is not how civilized societies conduct wars. You don't just openly go. Like, look, even their claim here is Hamas is slow rolling, giving us
Starting point is 00:13:32 back the remains of our hostages. All the living ones are out, but the remains of hostages who died. And therefore, we are going to punish the civilian population by slowing down the distribution of aid. Like, they're using aid as a weapon of war as revenge, as whatever, what else can you call it, as a collective punishment to the whole group as revenge for this. And I will say, you know, and I'm not trying to downplay at all. I'm not trying to downplay at all. I'm not trying to downplay the significance of remains, this is something that, like, brings family members peace and closure, or at least something approaching that. I know I'm remembering this from high school, which is very rare on this show that I ever
Starting point is 00:14:19 remember anything I learned in high school. But I remember learning about how evolutionary biologists, actually, that's one of the, like, metrics that they use to track when like pre homo sapien man became man is burying the dead and so like that's a very it's a very fundamental to humanity thing that we have like rituals and it's all of every every civilization ever has like their own way of like funerals and burials and services so I'm not saying that's not important but like how sick and perverse do you you have to be to like value remains of a dead person over living people. You know what I'm saying? Like there's something really twisted about that. And this is, you know, one of the things that I
Starting point is 00:15:12 think is like, you know, has really earned Israel such a bad reputation over the last couple years. But it's like, dude, like it already just smells like you're looking for an excuse to break this thing to get back to it. Well, I'm wondering to what extent Trump pushed this deal because he just realized the optics of this aren't working and he's landing himself in an environment where he can't continue to support what's going on. And so he's like, all right, all this killing has to be over. And so I wonder, you know, this deal did come together pretty quickly. Trump did get the hostages out. And I think it's a, it's almost a bad look if after that good faith effort, Israel immediately goes back to
Starting point is 00:15:55 taking such hostile actions against the people of Gaza. And in this case, I know there was a case earlier where Hamas sent the wrong body and was able to correct that. But considering how much rubble, debris, and otherwise there is, and the fact that they, I mean, listen, they took these people hostages and they put them into places. They are responsible for their deaths. But, you know, considering the fact that the area has been bombed to all hell, I think Israel could probably give him a little bit more leeway on trying to make good. And I don't know if they were aware of the fact that being able to return dead bodies was going to be contingent on, you know, being able to move forward.
Starting point is 00:16:41 Yeah. Well, yeah, it really, it really is something. But the idea of just, like, punishing the civilian population, like, there was just never, I, I, I just, look, And I'm somebody who is like a fierce critic of U.S. foreign policy and the warfare state. But in all of our terror wars, there's just never an example of something like that. You just never heard a story where you went like the insurgents took out some of our guys with some roadside bombs. And so we are going to deny food to women and children. there's just never an example of something like that it's just like i'm sorry like this is again it's
Starting point is 00:17:26 not a left or right issue this is like a basic human issue like no no you cannot do that to people um now i did to your point though i mean because this really is like the million dollar question what did they used to say the 64000 dollar question that used to be more money yeah inflation really got that very you're like that's not even that big of a question anymore it's this can't even barely rent yourself an apartment yeah right um so the question is like if israel does violate this what does trump do and the question that is looming in a lot of our minds is like how pissed off is trump at these guys at netanyahu and these guys and um i will say and i don't want as you guys who listen to the show know you know i'm never a 4d chess guy i've never like
Starting point is 00:18:19 saying, oh, Trump's doing something. But there was, Rob, and I want to play this clip. I want to break this down. At the very least of this clip, I would say, I was not sure whether Donald Trump was intentionally needling Miriam Adelson or not. But I want to play you this clip. Donald Trump went over. He's in the Middle East, I believe, still now. He signed the deal in Egypt, and then he went to Israel. And I believe there was, there had been rumors that he might even go visit. at Gaza, but I'm not sure if that's actually happening or not. But anyway, here was Donald Trump speaking yesterday
Starting point is 00:18:55 in Israel. I found this to be a fascinating moment. broken promises from many other American presidents. You know that. They kept promising. I never understood it until I got there. There was a lot of pressure put on these presidents. It was put on me, too, but I didn't
Starting point is 00:19:11 yield to the pressure. But every president for decades said, we're going to do it. The difference is I kept my promise. and officially recognized the capital of Israel and move the American Embassy to Jerusalem. Is it that right, Miriam? Look at Miriam, she's back there.
Starting point is 00:19:45 Stand up, now. Stand up. Thank you. Miriam and Sheldon would come into the office. They'd call me. I'd call me. I think they had more trips to the White House than anybody else that could think.
Starting point is 00:20:07 Look at her sitting there so innocently. She's got $60 billion in the bank, $60 billion. And she loves, and she loves, I think she's saying no more. And she loves Israel, but she loves it, and they would come in, and her husband was a very aggressive man, but I loved them. It was a very aggressive, very supportive of me, and he'd call up, can I come over and see you? And he'd say, Sheldon, I'm the president of the United States. It doesn't work that way. He'd come in, but they were very responsible for so much, including getting me thinking about Golan Heights,
Starting point is 00:20:45 which is probably one of the greatest things to ever happen. Miriam, stand up, please. She really is. I mean, she loves this country. She loves this country. Her and her husband are so incredible. We miss him so dearly. But I actually asked, I'm going to get her in trouble with this,
Starting point is 00:21:23 but I actually asked her once I said, So Miriam, I know you love Israel. What do you love more? The United States or Israel? She refused to answer. That means, that might mean Israel, I must say. We love you. Thank you, darling, for being here.
Starting point is 00:21:40 That's a great honor. Great honor. She's a wonderful woman. All right, I'm sorry, but that is just so wild that he said that out loud. And maybe I'm wrong, or I don't even know if wrong would be the word, because I'm not even saying I believe that, but it almost seemed like he was intentionally needling her. But even if not, it might just be that Donald Trump is Donald Trump.
Starting point is 00:22:02 He just says the quiet part out loud because he's incapable of not saying the quiet part out loud. But either way, this is, and this is the thing, this is the dynamic that's really come to light. in amongst the american public in a way like never before that is not going anywhere as long as this dynamic still exists the ones people have seen it they can't unsee it but you are saying i mean just openly saying that this this jewish couple of billionaires who one of whom was born in i guess pre-israel i think she was born in Palestine um the other of whom sheldon uh edelson has i don't know if you've ever seen this before rob but he's on record saying that his greatest regret in life is that when he served he wore the u.s military uniform rather than an idf uniform and bragging about how his
Starting point is 00:23:04 kids were like this dude this is a multi-billionaire who was an american citizen who had his kids go fight for the IDF. You got to be that is a level of um zealotry like that that's a level of like you this is these are true believers in the cause of a foreign country even joking about how they are loyal to that country over this country this woman has given Donald Trump hundreds of millions of dollars in his political campaigns I think she gave him a hundred million in in 2024 um And he is literally saying, these people, the Jewish billionaires who gave me all this money are the reason why I recognized the Golan Heights, are the reason why I moved the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
Starting point is 00:23:55 These people who operate as American citizens, yet are loyal to a foreign country. This is fucking indefensible. Like, what can you say about this, Rob? Well, I think what Trump is doing here, it's classic Trump. It's the same as when the liberals were going after Trump with all of those horrendous lawsuits. And they just had this feeling of, well, we got to get them. It doesn't matter if we're being principled. We got to get him.
Starting point is 00:24:24 I don't care. Do what you got to do. Play dirty. You got to get him. And Donald Trump has a similar thing, which is if he's winning, the American people are winning. And so something like this doesn't actually seem bad to him because to you and I were like, wait a second. Are you admitting that a Jewish billionaire gave you funds and you enacted a foreign policy because of the campaign donations that they made to you? And so to us, that's the worst thing anyone could admit to.
Starting point is 00:24:48 Any foreign donation should not be influencing policy. We all understand it works that way. And your bigger donors shouldn't be able to just walk into the White House and discuss their agenda with you. We all understand that it does work that way. But those are things that you should never say out loud. But to Donald Trump, look, I managed to get these people to give me enough money that I could win in campaign. and all I had to do was give this to him in a return. To him, that's him winning.
Starting point is 00:25:12 And his base is so stupid that when he's winning, they feel like they're winning. So he's saying the quiet part out loud in terms of when he pokes at her with, she loves Israel even more. That's just classic ADD Donald Trump. And it's neither here nor there where he does like to kind of jab at people to show you, hey, I'm the boss here. But I don't think, I don't actually think he was trying to slight her or take aim at her. I think that's just like a classic Donald Trump, like, 80s. the side no you might be right about that but it was also he also did have that we are we don't have to play the video of that uh you did send that earlier rub but also just the moment where he starts
Starting point is 00:25:46 saying you should pardon net and yahoo and all this it's like he doesn't have any pardoning power he's just bringing up that net and yahoo has these charges you know like looming in the background like it's just it's like it's so funny it's like on the day that you're celebrating signing the ceasefire agreement and you're like look and you really shouldn't put this guy in jail a lot of people are saying he should go to jail but i don't know i say you shouldn't go to jail they're saying it did terrible things um but it is just like you know especially like you know Donald Trump of course as you said you know he's doing the Donald Trump thing so he's bragging about his achievements and and he still got his script down about how it was um you know
Starting point is 00:26:25 moving the embassy recognizing the goal on heights things like that but like to the rest of the world the big policy is the destruction of Gaza that America has been financing for the last two years. And so again, in that environment to just be bragging about this, like again, just openly bragging. I mean, this is the type of stuff that like, if Nick Fuentes said this, people would go, oh, yeah, that's like fucking what neo-Nazis said. You know, this is like Jew-hating conspiracy theory shit. But just to openly be like, hey, these Jewish billionaires, finance my campaign, influence my policy's decisions. By the way, did I mention that they're loyal to Israel above the United States of America? It's just like wild to see the
Starting point is 00:27:13 president of the United States of America. Just casually admit that, as if it's no big deal. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Prolon by El Nutra. Forget everything you know about fasting. Prolon by El Nutra is the only patented fasting mimicking diet that combines the benefits of prolonged fasting with a science-backed nutrition plan so you can hit your health and weight loss goals without actually having to give up all of the food. I know that that's all the rage these days are these diets where you're doing intermediate fasting and you're giving up all food. There's a lot of health benefits that come with that. But I know for me personally, I'm just never
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Starting point is 00:28:25 It also, it doesn't really help the cause just because, listen, I'm pretty ignorant on history. I'm very good on what happened in the United States in the last 48 hours. but you know you want to you want to go back 10 years and it's a big blur but i do remember vaguely in school when we were learning about the uh you know establishment of the state of israel and it being formally recognized and the balfour declaration all this stuff as if it's formal documents from these big government agencies and that's why it has a right to exist but now when you have here when you're like you know a hundred years from now you can be learning in a history book will Donald trump formally recognized this area the united states government recognized it they recognize the
Starting point is 00:29:01 embassy and you're like, oh, wow, I guess the United States recognized that that's formally theirs. It kind of puts a big asterisk on it when he's up there going, and I did it because I took money to win an election from this Jewish billionaire. And also what makes you wonder about the Rothschilds or whoever else was involved in with the, well, I mean, the Balfour Declaration was written to the Rothschilds, you know. But that, yeah, it just kind of furthers the asterisk a little bit of what does it mean when, you know, outside government agencies that are not in that area are making formal
Starting point is 00:29:36 decisions on behalf of the Jewish people who live in that area because of large sums and donations from private individuals. It's, uh, it doesn't really help the cause when you make these statements. Yeah, it is, it's always been funny to me because there's like, uh, there's several different layers that the, the Zionists will go through to defend Israel's, you know, right to exist, as they put it. And like, there's, and different people view, believe different ones, you know. But it'll always be like, so they're like, well, the Balfour Declaration. And you're like, so like Lord Balfour on behalf of the king wrote a letter to a banking family.
Starting point is 00:30:17 And that's where you get your property rights from. It'll be like, well, no, like the U.N. partition plan. And you're like, all, well, first of all, like the general assembly has no authority to just carve, nations like it was a recommendation it wasn't and there you know and then but it it usually ends in well god gave it to us so that's well ultimately we have a supernatural property right claim here but anyway yeah it is all pretty wild it has been uh one of the things that i i think has been really fascinating uh to me at least watching on social media over the last couple days has been the reaction of the israel supporters who are you know you know
Starting point is 00:31:00 you know, look, like I've said, for the whole last two years, it has been really eye-opening for me and shocking to see how it's a combination of two things. It's like how bad that Israeli PR game is in the new media landscape. Like how much it does not work in this new, like it's like the tactics, the things that worked in the old world do not work here. And so number one, how bad they are and number two, like their inability to adjust on the fly and go just to go like, hey, this is not working. Like this is a disaster. So we got to try something else. Kind of, you know, I guess in some sense, like in the spirit of the letter that Charlie Kirk wrote to Benjamin Netanyahu, where he's just like, hey, dude, we're getting killed out here. Like, we need a whole new plan
Starting point is 00:31:54 of how to attack this. But it's been interesting now, it seems like in this very desperate attempt, they're trying to be like, we won. You know, like, again, I'm not like alleging that there's any type of like coordination in this. I mean, maybe there is, but I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:32:13 But it does seem like it's, I mean, my Twitter has just been blowing up with all the usual suspects, all of them saying the exact same thing. and it's some version of like, oh, all the people who said it was a genocide aren't celebrating now that the genocide's over. I guess you didn't really care about that or like, oh, you don't even want this to end because it's a grift or something like that, which is always number one to me just the most bizarre thing.
Starting point is 00:32:42 I've had this accusation a lot over the last few days of, oh, you actually want the thing to keep going because this is what you talk about. and it's like by that logic you can never oppose anything right like you could never be against anything bring back COVID I'd rather talk about that if you want to give me my choice of topics well I mean like honestly like yeah like well look you just said what a great example you've been doing the show 10 years I've been here eight believe me government's going to be doing something stupid that we're looking to talk about and if they don't we'll fall back to doing some internet clips of stupidity I'd rather just make fun of well it would be like
Starting point is 00:33:19 like accusing an abolitionist of loving slavery because what are you going to talk about now that slavery's got it's like I don't know something else I'll be fine believe me I'll be fine I'll make that trade in a heartbeat let this let this goddamn genocide
Starting point is 00:33:35 end and then I will figure out what else to talk about and by the way it is just as you brought up COVID like I didn't even think about that but that really is a great example like I was we were the COVID guys you know essentially in people's minds and I did high profile debates on the topic and did huge podcasts on the show and we talked about it every goddamn day for years and then it went away and you know what great great all still like dude what are you talking about I'm still going to have awesome shit to say about the next thing that's going on and so whatever it's fine there will always you know unfortunately they'll always be a crisis there'll always be something the government's doing that's corrupt and wrong and hurting the country and I'll be talking about that stuff and look
Starting point is 00:34:19 if all that shit went away then i would just go be a great stand-up comedian like i don't care it's such a like loser mentality that people have that like you listen dude if i lost my entire career and every dime i own i'd go be successful at something else i would just go you know what i mean like i just like that's because i'm still me i don't know anyway uh this whole narrative is so bizarre to me and of course it's you know i guess you go to the head of the you you know, multi-headed monster. And let's just hear it from Ben Shapiro himself, who had this take.
Starting point is 00:34:56 I get it. Like, let's break this down for a second because it is like the most bizarre take imaginable. It's just, it's, um, there's a certain desperation. And I've seen this several times, like at the end of COVID, at the end of wokeism,
Starting point is 00:35:11 at the end of like Russia gate, where there's this desperation to pull a win out. Some, you know, like somewhere. And so here is Ben Shapiro on the ceasefire. I do have a question. Where are all the people who kept yelling about genocide? Where did they go? Like, seriously, where did they go?
Starting point is 00:35:29 Because all the people who are screaming about genocide now, it deals on the table that stops all of this, that frees hostages, that stops the bombing campaign in Gaza, that rolls back the Israeli military presence to decide it upon line. And they've all ghosted the internet. They're gone. They disappear.
Starting point is 00:35:47 They're just gone. Just close it for a second. It's kind of amazing. Now, it would be kind of amazing if anyone knew what the fuck you are talking about. What, like, I genuinely, I don't know, usually, typically when there's like bullshit propaganda, I at least know what you're saying, and I just think it's wrong. What are you talking? Who has left?
Starting point is 00:36:12 Who's ghosted the internet? Like, I actually, when I first saw this video, I thought, I was like, oh, he must be talking about someone so i'm like a candace owens i mean she's just been on fire put it she's probably had her biggest you know stretch of shows with huge numbers that she's ever had in her career tucker carlson multiple shows pose all types of content some of some great shows over the last you know week whatever um john meersheimer's doing high profile interviews like everybody Nick Fuentes is doing all types of high-profile interviews. Ian Carroll's out doing shows.
Starting point is 00:36:50 I'm doing all my normal shows. Like, who are you actually talking about? Which person is this? Name me the one person who's ghosted the internet since this deal came out. It's just like the most bizarre, like, framing of a thing. And by the way, it wouldn't even prove anything if they did. It's not true, but let's just say that the people who were really against the war we're like holding back to see what happens here like what would that even demonstrate i'm uh reminding
Starting point is 00:37:21 you of a line you said in the green room but people don't typically celebrate the end of a genocide yeah and so yeah and so it's like what exactly is expectation here if there was an end if if if if you want to say that this was a genocide and people stood against a genocide and now the genocide's over, except the people that inflicted the genocide are going to remain in power and might go back to exactly what they were doing. What is your expectation of the people that were against this? No, we're supposed to be celebrated. And like, again, like when I, even when I said that, like, look, there were, there were
Starting point is 00:37:57 videos of people in Gaza celebrating. There were videos of people in Israel celebrating. I'm not like knocking anybody for celebrating if they, they're hopeful that the situation's going to improve. but as like an expectation or or something that that is indicative of you never really care it's just so ridiculous like and right like so imagine i go okay let's play a little bit more of the ben shapiro clip and then i'll hold that thought you would imagine that if you spent two years fighting against an actual genocide not a fake genocide like what's happening in gaza
Starting point is 00:38:31 which is not by any stretch of the imagination or any definition ever a genocide but imagine that you're fighting like a real genocide like their wand in genocide and a deal happened to stop the genocide okay let's pause it for a second hold on so i want to get taken up with this this isn't a genocide by any definition of it again this is just bullshit like look if you want to be honest about it um the look the truth is that the the definition of genocide under international law is very vague it's very vague so it's kind of up for debate what exactly you consider what just happened in Gaza, like even assuming this is the end of it, which has happened. Now, it is true that like in a kind of like, what would you call popular parlance or whatever, like when people use
Starting point is 00:39:18 the term genocide, typically what they're thinking of is like extermination of a people, usually millions of people dying. And like, that's not exactly what happened here. So like call it whatever you want to. But like, yes, the destruction of a captive people, the slaughter of tens, if not hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians and starvation blockades on top of it. I mean, look, I didn't start using the term, if you remember, Rob, through this whole thing, I really avoided using the term genocide up until the starvation blockade. And it was just like, all right, whatever. Yeah, just call it the worst word you can think of because what the hell is this?
Starting point is 00:39:53 Your finance minister bragging about how not an ounce of grain is getting into Gaza for months at a time after the entire place has been leveled. But anyway, leaving that aside. So in Ben Shapiro's example here, if you would, he said, let's say it was a real genocide. Sorry. Do you have to run? No, not yet. Okay.
Starting point is 00:40:13 Let's say it was a real genocide, as what Ben Shapiro is saying. Imagine you were protesting against a real genocide for two years. And then the genocide's going to end. And you're not celebrating. It's like, like you said, Rob, so just let's take the Holocaust, okay? I'm pretty sure both me, you and Ben Shapiro would acknowledge that that that was a real. real genocide. So let's say in 1942, Hitler's killed like maybe 3 million Jews at this point. Let's say in 1942, there was an agreement reached to stop.
Starting point is 00:40:51 Hitler stays in power, and Hitler still controls most of Europe, and he still controls the government that is ruling over millions of Jewish people, and he might go back to it. you don't know would you be celebrating that like i don't know it's just very weird look honestly i don't think i don't think there's any end to this personally that i would celebrate you know again i'm not knocking anybody who does but even if this was like a perfect piece that was worked out today like i mean literally a perfect piece you know a Palestinian state and you know, all this. Even if there was like, say, a perfect piece
Starting point is 00:41:36 and Netanyahu was charged with war crimes and his entire war cabinet was indicted and tried and struck. Like, even like whatever the perfect ending to this could be. I don't know. I would still probably just find it to be a moment for like somber reflection. It's just like, I don't know, it's the disgrace of the civilized world that this thing was allowed to happen.
Starting point is 00:41:57 Like I just can't even tell you. Like, I am like, I'm, like, I'm mortified to one day have to tell my children that this is how the world works that actually like the adults don't have it nearly as together as I've led you to believe in your young childhood that like it's not everything isn't the nice world
Starting point is 00:42:22 that I've given you and the fact that we have elected leaders and diplomats and governments and global governance bodies and international humanitarian organizations. And we have like all of this infrastructure and all of it failed to prevent this from happening. It's just like it's a fucking disgrace to every adult human being that we exist in a world where this could be allowed to happen. And I just don't know like what it just doesn't feel like to me like celebrating is just kind of strange.
Starting point is 00:42:55 I don't know. Again, what the fuck does any of this prove Ben Shapiro? what are you even talking about? All right. I've seen quite a bit of this on Twitter, maybe even coming at you, but I don't understand the metric of if you were opposing this
Starting point is 00:43:11 and now it's ended on these terms, you are a grifter for not celebrating this end. Yeah, like someone breaks into your house and starts murdering family members of you of yours and you say, oh my God, this is horrible. And yet as soon as he stopped and left, you didn't start celebrating. Like, oh, what?
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Starting point is 00:44:35 them out at join crowdhealth.com and use that promo code p oTP for that deal crowd health is not insurance opt out take your power back this is how we win all right let's get back into the show all right let's keep playing and then all the people who were fighting to stop it just disappeared They didn't say anything. They didn't say this is a good thing. They didn't give credit. They didn't try to, like nothing. They just go totally silent.
Starting point is 00:45:02 What might that tell you about those people? I mean, the first thing would be that they don't actually care about the supposed genocide. Right? That would be the thing that would immediately pop to mind that you didn't care about that. That it was all. It's just such a leap. I just don't see it. I don't even see the logic at all.
Starting point is 00:45:22 You usually want to go, oh, well, it would just come to show you. It would be like, yeah, that is the natural conclusion. A guy looked at his oven, realized the oven was still on. He didn't want to turn it off. He must want his oven on. That makes sense. I don't follow the series of events here of people complained about what was happening. It stopped happening.
Starting point is 00:45:40 They're not celebrating the current arrangement. They must not have cared. You could have cared. This is part of a, you know, this has been a big, a big feature of the last few years in American life. And I think it's been, it's so interesting the way it all happened because it is like, you know, like COVID and Biden and like a lot of these things really exposed the media. And then the last two years in Israel has like exposed so many of like the Zionists, you know, pundits. But and one of the reasons why I really loved doing the Chris Cuomo debate or the Douglas Murray debate is part of it was like just showing. Because, like, in a weird way, you know how their knock on me is always like, oh, you're just a comedian, oh, Mr. Expert, comedian or whatever.
Starting point is 00:46:33 But like I've said to you before, like the point was always, yeah, exactly, that's right. I'm not an expert. I'm just a regular guy. And I'll still go handle these guys because they're not that tough. Like, that was kind of always the point of it. And it's like, yeah, these guys, they're put in these incredibly protected environments and made to, appear to be intelligent. But like, again, like this, just listening to this,
Starting point is 00:47:03 you're like, this is your point. This is what you think constitutes like a solid argument. If you're not celebrating the ceasefire that has kind of held for three days. Again, by the way, we had a ceasefire in, what was it, in early 2025, early this year we had a ceasefire in this guy like it's we have a ceasefire and that held for what a couple months i think this this one is held for a few days like what are we even talking about here this is just and it is with a lot of these guys you just realize you're like oh these guys aren't that good at this this is just ridiculous this makes no sense here let's finish
Starting point is 00:47:46 up the the clip because we got a little more just sorry go ahead it's tough to celebrate any of Donald Trump's actions because let's say you really hated China and on Friday when you saw he was going to escalate the tariffs on China. I don't know. What are you going to spend two days looking like an asshole going to finally? Donald Trump's trying to start a war with China and we're finally going to end trade with them because they're the biggest risk to our country. And then a couple out, nah, that was a bad moment between me and my friend Z. So I mean, we keep hearing this. It was the Iran War II. How are you not celebrating? It's because the guy's a loose canon and changes his mind every 10 minutes. How do you celebrate anything?
Starting point is 00:48:21 Yep. All right, let's keep playing. A lie that you actually had another reason that you were doing this routine. The Washington Free Beacon has an excellent rundown of many of the so-called anti-genocide activists who have gone completely missing, like completely MIA. Medi Hassan over at MSNBC, right, former MSNBC personality, who now spends his days on the internet talking with wild lefties and people who like Marjorie Taylor Green, as we'll get to in a moment.
Starting point is 00:48:51 he put out a statement I love that we live in a world where we're all supposed to now praise Trump for his peacemaking and ignore the fact that at least 20,000 Palestinians have been killed on his watch with bombs and bullets
Starting point is 00:49:01 and rhetorical support that he supplied to Israel. I mean, Medi seems pretty salty about the fact that Trump actually got to the end of this thing. He then went on
Starting point is 00:49:12 to predict that Israel will violate the terms of the deal. You know, look, dude, I'm sure there's lots of issues I disagree with Medi Hassan on and we've, argued about several of those in the past, although we do, I think, largely agree on this topic. But again, like, Ben, this, what you're saying makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
Starting point is 00:49:35 Like, why is it like, if you, like, let's just say whatever, there's a war you're against or a genocide or whatever. There's something you're against. When it's over, you're not allowed to point out that you think it was really horrible, what just happened? What does that prove? like why would you not like again like for these things if medi hasan is right which i think he is on this issue um but if medi hasan is right then why would it make sense to celebrate the person who just financed the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent people why would that make sense even if he stopped doing it like again like would you like if we're talking here for ben Shapiro, let's speak your language, Adolf Hitler, kills six million Jews. Let's say he stopped
Starting point is 00:50:26 at five million. And he just decided to stop. Nah, shouldn't have done that. I'm done. And then I were to say, wow, Ben Shapiro is not celebrating Adolf Hitler. And in fact, he's still blaming him for the five million Jews he killed. What? What world do we live in where that proves anything other than, yeah, this guy was against this. He was against what was being done to these people. And so still upset about that. This is just, anyway, we don't even need to play the rest of this. It's just too dumb.
Starting point is 00:50:55 I don't know. It's just, but anyway, I just wanted one example just to show you, like, this is how dumb what the fucking Zionists are saying. And it is, look, it's a large, it's just a large dose of cope.
Starting point is 00:51:07 You know, it's all like, dude, I was mentioning the other day that poll that had, who do you sympathize with, uh, the Israel or Palestine? And the pre-October 7th poll was
Starting point is 00:51:19 plus 48% for Israel and the post or the most recent one is plus one for Palestine. These guys, it is like almost impossible to overstate what a collapse of public support there has been for Israel across the world. This isn't just in America, but it really matters in America because we are the world empire who props them up. But these guys have had over the last two years, I mean, you cannot, like, I I don't know any issue, you know, like the only thing I could think of was like the COVID vaccine where like, you know, like it was whatever, it was like 78% of the adult population got the
Starting point is 00:52:01 first round and then like half of that got the second round and then half of that got the third. By the time you came to the fourth round, it was like nobody was getting the thing anymore. But there was also a little bit different. It was a mutating virus that had also become much less deadly by that point. And so even the issue of the vaccine aside, people just weren't afraid of the vaccine. Once Omicron and then all the after Omicron variants, like COVID's still here. You know what I mean? People say, but just no one cares anymore.
Starting point is 00:52:29 It's not that serious. This is different than that. This is like a public policy issue. And could you imagine anything like, you know, like, you know, when you see these polls or like, whatever, like a poll on a board. I got, I got to cut out otherwise, you know. Oh, no problem. Thrown out. Rob's going to watch me get pulled out of here.
Starting point is 00:52:48 Rob's going to take a. off a little bit early no problem later everybody thank you no we'll we'll see you out in tampa but so like like what i was saying i mean imagine an issue like you know you see like a public poll on abortion and usually i mean i've seen different polls but usually it's like there's a majority of the country are pro choice but it's not like a huge majority it's like so just for the sake of argument say it's like 55% of americans are pro choice and like 44% or 45% are are pro-life and then two years later 90% of the country is pro-life like that you'd be like whoa what the hell happened in those two years I mean this is like I like you simply don't see shifts like that
Starting point is 00:53:31 in public policy like it's just unheard of that's what has happened to Israel and you know there's obviously several factors as I've said many times the two biggest factors the two obvious ones are number one it's just so horrible and indefensible what they're doing of the Palestinian people. And then number two, that the relationship between the U.S. government and the Israeli government are just, it's just too crazy. It's too weird. And people notice that. And you can't stop them from noticing it. But, and I guess partially due to those two reasons, the, you know, another part of the reason why support for Israel is just completely collapsed is because like this is what they got. So like, this is, this is the, this is the,
Starting point is 00:54:18 The arguments that they're throwing out there, their propaganda is so bad. It's just, it's still kind of shocking to me. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today, which is monetary metals, an amazing company run by great people. I've been telling you guys about them for a while, but they've really revolutionized the precious metal space. If you own gold or silver, as I know many people who listen to the show do, I think that's a great thing to own.
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Starting point is 00:56:02 to go to the next level, to protect us, to protect the West. That is, challenge the root cause of the problem, Islamist, terrorism. And to be clear, I believe the only leader who can do this. who is bold, courageous, strategic, and have a real shot at making it work, is President Trump. Our State Department keeps a long list of terrorist organizations and the countries they are operating within. Beyond that, we know where the major actors are based. You can go online and see on the Internet. Many very good groups, research groups, think tanks.
Starting point is 00:56:34 They've laid it all out. It's right there. Of course, they're not only in the Middle East, these terrorist organizations, but many are. And it's a good place to start, particularly since we have this outstanding foundation, this platform, the Trump peace deal. The president is singularly qualified and capable of extending his diplomatic, economic, and yes, military reach into these countries where he has built special relationships to begin the difficult and complex process of unraveling, starving, isolating, and eliminating these terror operations. Some of these countries
Starting point is 00:57:07 will welcome such an initiative as their monarchies or their military dictatorships fear for their own survival because these terrorists seek to overthrow several of them. I'm thinking of countries like Jordan, Egypt, among others. Some will resist because they're harboring terrorists or have been funding terrorists or somehow promoting terrorists and have relationships and understanding with terrorists, such as Qatar, such as Saudi Arabia. Yes, name them. so there i mean this shit is really unbelievable and it's hard it's hard to overstate how how sick these people are and how much of a cancer they are on the rest of society i mean this is this is mark levin this is hey we should be celebrating this peace deal and now that we have a peace deal it's the
Starting point is 00:58:00 opportunity for war, a whole new war on terrorism. That's what Mark Levin calls for. What will the theaters of these war be? I don't know. How about Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, you know, for starters. Like, I'm sorry, like, these people should be deported to Siberia or something. It's like, do you ever not want to fight a war? Is there ever a time that you don't want to be at war. Like, if these people had their way, we will just fight wars forever, always. And that is, you know, unfortunately, these people kind of are having their way. They kind of are. I mean, I just don't even know what to say about that. In this moment now, after 20 plus years of terror wars, well, we're still back in a proxy war against Russia. We've been financing the destruction of
Starting point is 00:59:00 Gaza. That is maybe stopped. We're a couple days into a ceasefire agreement. It really is just something. Anyway, I guess at the end, you know, it's like, I don't, I don't think this is over. I hope I'm wrong about that. I don't think this is over. And I don't think that, like, I don't think that Benjamin Netanyahu or even the, the members of his government who are a couple clicks to the right of him like smotech um i don't think that they're just going to abandon their plans to annex uh and ethnically cleanse gaza we'll see maybe they maybe they will make the judgment that they can't get away with it now i hope so um but i'm not convinced of that but i think the you know the fundamental problem even if even if we were able to say like
Starting point is 00:59:59 end this war and have some type of like ceasefire that really sticks for a while and let's say that's the that's the end of um that's the end of the destruction of gaza and like you know i'm saying like best case scenario here you know more aid gets in the killing stops um this this latest chapter that is these last two years is over but then you go right back to the october sixth realities um which were that there's still this brutal military occupation. The Palestinians are still kept stateless in kind of a permanent refugee status. And Israel still gets unconditional support from the global empire, which is the USA. And in that case, with no foreseeable path to a two-state solution or a one-state solution,
Starting point is 01:00:55 you still have the same dynamics. and the same problems. And so it's just from my perspective, again, not as a Palestinian or an Israeli. I have the radical idea that I ought to approach this from an American perspective. I don't know. I don't see that much to celebrate. I'm hopeful. I hope things get better.
Starting point is 01:01:14 And I think this is an improvement, so that's good. And, you know, there's something, I remember I'm pretty sure it was Aaron Matei who said this. and I hope I'm right about that. I can't remember, but I would like to give him credit for it because I always thought this was just like a good way to say it. But he said, and I might be butchering this slightly, but he said that the Israeli justification of the destruction of Gaza requires you to believe that nothing could justify October 7th.
Starting point is 01:01:49 And October 7th justifies anything. You get it? Like, it's like 60 years of brutal military occupation cannot justify October 7th. Like, okay, I'm with you on that, actually, right? It can't justify that. But October 7th could justify something a thousand times worse than October 7th. And like, you kind of got to pick one or the other. And I do think that, look, the obvious next thing here that has to happen in order for there to be a real chance for an improvement,
Starting point is 01:02:25 in this situation is, and I want to be clear what I mean when I say this here, but it's that Netanyahu has to go. Now, Netanyahu is sometimes becomes like a scapegoat for people to say, like, well, the real problem isn't the U.S. Israel relationship or Israel's treatment of the Pelsa, the real problem is just this Netanyahu guy. He's got to go. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that at all. The problem is much deeper than Netanyahu. The problem existed before Benjamin Netanyahu. Yahoo. It also shouldn't be underplayed how much he really did make it substantially worse, substantially worse. He is the worst prime minister in Israeli history, and therefore there has been elected more than any of the rest of them, because that's how politics works.
Starting point is 01:03:13 But look, the whole justification for this war was the eradicating Hamas. I mean, they'd invoke the hostages, but that was really only, you know, for PR. reasons. If their if their main goal was to retrieve the hostages, they would have done this a long time ago. Hamas has been ready to deal these hostages and we just proved that they will do it. They will give them up. There's absolutely no reason. Hamas has made many offers throughout this thing to return all of the hostages. No, the goal was to drive them out of power or to eliminate them or whatever. And the justification for this, and this is something that would get people in the middle to kind of agree with the Israelis.
Starting point is 01:04:00 And in fact, this is what they really, for like the first six months of the thing, when it wasn't completely clear that Israel had totally lost the PR war, like when they were still in the fight, this is what they would go to all the time. Well, after October 7th, Hamas has to go. And that's enough to get a regular person to go, all right. Because, you know, look, it is somewhat reasonable on the face of it. the thing that makes that kind of a weak argument is that like you can actually do that for almost every regime on the planet like October 7th is a particularly gruesome example but like are you
Starting point is 01:04:35 telling me Kim Jong-un doesn't have to go it's got tens of millions of prisoners in his country they're literally like North Koreans are genetically indistinguishable from South Koreans like they are the same people and North Koreans on average are like three inches shorter that's how malnourished they are as a society like they're real deal starvation like just you know communism in its worst form he i would say kim jong un has to go but that's a very different question than like should we launch a war there and slaughter a whole bunch of innocent people to overthrow him and the answer to that is no but so they would skip that part but anyway it's you know look there's obviously this is what pierce morgan used to always be moved by like yeah mass has to go
Starting point is 01:05:18 you know it's very easy to look at october 7th and then go hey whoever did that has to be out of power you know so that's that's easy enough argument okay now let's do gaza all you got to do is look at a before and after picture of gaza the guy who did that he's got to go you know the Israelis have said this whole time there's well we can't we can't have peace with hamas it's got to be someone else in charge like okay you can't expect the Palestinians to have peace with nettingahu either like he's got to go he should go to the hag i'm not optimistic that he will, but he has got to get out of there. So anyway, in conclusion, things are better than they were,
Starting point is 01:06:03 and let's all hope for the best. All right, catch you guys tomorrow with a brand new episode. Thanks for listening. Peace.

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