Part Of The Problem - Israel's PR Disaster

Episode Date: August 20, 2025

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what's up what's up everybody welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem i am dave smith he is robbie the fire burnstein how's it going today my friend uh well you know dealing with this dealing with deck a computer problem's gonna trying to fight a ticket in broom county it's amazing when you have to interact with the government and uh you realize just how oppressive they are. I mean, I, whatever, we got too much to talk about for me to start unloading on my bullshit. But anyways, I'm settling out. It's nice to be with you. What? Fighting the tickets of pain in the ass, right? You wouldn't believe, firstly, I don't think the guy busted me for the speed he said he busted me for her. Then he lied about on the ticket with what he had said to me

in the car. It doesn't actually tell me what the fine would be if I pleaded guilty. And then they gave me a court date, which is when you and I are in Tacoma. So I reached out to say, can I have a different date? And they keep just sending me different forms to fill out to say I'm guilty and I keep saying well I like to fight this guy get a new date and then after going it's like phone sales I went nine times with him and they're like finally well you have to reach this you keep you keep going through the whole dance with them to let you know that there's another well why don't we start with that yeah yeah yeah yeah no that is frustrating yeah yeah they're they really suck at everything they do come to porch store so I can

afford a lawyer pecking indiana uh st louis uh where else did I say I was going Dave outside of Ohio Cincinnati and then Maryland for the bug out and stand up comedy show and backyard bar hangout hell yeah dude hell yeah I'm getting excited to head out

to Austin here in a couple days ago to go to a weekend at the mothership and then yeah like you said Tacoma Spokane Vegas bunch of dates coming up Comic davesmith.com yeah okay so there's a few I gotta say there's two

I'm almost debating on which one to open with all right let's let's go with this story which i just again both of these first two stories are particularly like disturbing um but we haven't talked about it yet and it there is a just a lot of it's just so fascinating about it but i don't know how closely you've been following rob i can't um i say this guy's i'm not sure how you say this guy's name but the the case of this uh Tom Alexandrovich, Alexandrovich, who is evidently

in Israeli government official, worked in their some type of like cybersecurity thing or something like that. He was caught up in a sting operation, like a Dateline NBC type sting operation. He showed up to meet

what he believed was a 15-year-old girl with condoms and like some other things. I forget what else it was. It's just reading about this yesterday. It's always iced tea and cookies. Yeah, that what is that? Oh, I'm sorry. Something on my

phone on. It was the Israeli government and let you know that we're not allowed to comment on this one. Yeah, really, what is going on? Yeah, getting upset with what's going on in Gaza is one thing, but they're allowing pedophiles to flee and their country is another well this it's it's a really just an incredible story for for many different

reasons but yeah so evidently the guy is um so yeah he's some type of government official he gets busted is then somehow released and allowed to fly back to Israel um now the israeli government has come out and said that they didn't request that you know this is the case but there's a whole bunch of it that just doesn't add up. And Sagar and Jetty from breaking points just put out some documents that he got that seemed to prove that the guy

actually was saying to everybody that he wanted to call home. He was inquiring about his trip to Israel that he demanded to speak to the Israeli embassy. Like, it sure does look like what it is. Like, it sure does look like

Israel was like, no, he wanted to get out and not show up to court and the israeli government allowed this um now that he's got a court dating he was arrested they're saying he was just uh questioned and then came home as scheduled yes which like none of this none of this is right um and so he's got a court date evidently for like like in a week and a half so we will see what happens with this but i got to say you know this has been i know this has been my theme lately, like a thing that I've been repeating a little bit, but it really, like, my whole thing about like Joe Biden the day after the debate, all of a sudden there's a magnifying glass,

there's a microscope on every move now, and you just can't, it's like that with the relationship with Israel, the way it is right now, is just, I guess what's so unbelievable to me, I was saying this to Natalie before we started the show, but what's just so unbelievable to me is that you would think at this point the israeli government would at least have enough awareness to just be like all right well we got to cut this pedophile loose like sorry dude you can't like we we can't get you out of this if you went to america but instead they're like oh no no no we can and we will yes that's that's the position you're allowed to go rape american girls like what anyway it's just uh I don't know. It just seems like one more drop in the bucket of like it's just in this

tide turning of it just being, it's just too undeniable how bizarre the relationship between Israel and the United States of America's governments are. And something like this, well, look, this is a story of, you know, we don't typically, you know, on the show cover like random crimes. And there are, you know, you could turn on the nightly news in any town in America and like there's a crime that happened that day and we tend to cover like bigger issues and things like war and government policies and things that like really affect much larger numbers of people but like you know the reason this one's so interesting is because it it's when you when you have this dynamic where like our foreign policy is largely tied to this foreign government

the relationship is incredibly shady there's there's a mass awakening and a mass turning against Israel and you have things like, you know, like the Epstein thing in the background where like, okay, we don't have definitive proof. We have circumstantial evidence, but man, is there a lot of circumstantial evidence that this was a big shady conspiracy that seems to have Israel right at the center of it. And then like in that dynamic, when you have a story like this, there is something and I don't know. I mean, I'm sure like, like a priest or a rabbi or, you know, an imam could give you a good answer on this. I'm sure like, you know, someone who specializes in like evolutionary biology or something

could have a good answer for this. But there is something about pedophilia that it triggers this disgust response from people, you know, and appropriately so. But in a very visceral way, they're saying about like, like, look, even, even abusing kids triggers a response, but something about sexually abusing kids just really gets people, like, on a visceral level. Like, this is, this is the type of thing that leads to, like, normally civilized, decent men grabbing pitchforks and taking to the street and, like, we're going to get

somebody and rip them piece from piece. Like, that's that, you know, like, I don't know. I mean, I'm, you know, relatively speaking these days, a pretty civilized person, but like, that's the type of thing that could get me, you know, like that, it's, there's just something. And so to have the, the dynamic, like the story read that here, you have a, a would-be pedophile and is then protected by this foreign government who is completely dependent on us, who we support in every imaginable way, I mean, I don't know, Rob, like, could you, could you script? ripped a bigger PR disaster, it's just, it's wild.

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I think there's a couple things that make this rather damning. For one, apparently this guy worked under or directly for Netanyahu, and I believe it's some form of cybersecurity. But for one, with the lurking story of Epstein and Epstein's potential ties to Israel and involvement in uh you know uh the sexual blackmail of underage girls uh the fact that israel's involved in another storyline that includes someone in government and kids that i mean that just could not look worse and the fact and then and then just conceptually the right of return so i understand that if you're in a world landscape that has a lot of antisemitism i understand why israel would go

if you're a jewish person and you're accused of a crime in another country will take you in because the assumption is that the crime is not actually something you committed, it's just a charge. That's not the world that we live in now. And I would think that if you're Israel and you're actually a civil society, you would have some sort of a responsibility to actually review a charge before you just give someone a clean slate to flee because otherwise what you want criminals or pedophiles in your country, you want to be a safe haven for pedophiles that if they committed these crimes somewhere else, like you're openly embracing pedophiles into your society that you're going to let them

know if they commit these crimes. locations as long as you get here you have a free pass i mean why wouldn't you want to review that and have criminals held responsible for one like allow justice to be served in the countries that the crime was committed and two why would you want those people in your country so i think i think it's a it's a dumb policy i don't understand why it exists uh the fact that there's an old mbc article about 60 pedophiles from america or other locations that made their way to israel because of the right to return yeah i think that's i think that just looks terrible for the country in general but the fact that there was the Epstein storyline

and there's just so much in the news about why are we giving so much money to Israel that this crime could make the papers and you could just be on a flight the next day with Israel going, well, no, no, no, there was no crime and it's just over and like, I would just think the Israeli government would be like, wait, what the hell did you do over there?

Yeah. For themselves. No, and I got to say, you know, we'll see how this goes, but look, again not a lawyer maybe there's people who are more qualified to speak on this than

may but the guys got a hearing scheduled for I believe it's the 27th or the 28th it was like nine or 10 days from now and again the same not a lawyer but like

you showed up to a sting operation with condoms thinking the girl was 15 that is like a very open and shut case i mean there's like what is your defense there i think that's that means you're you got got like they don't you know they you know the fbi um and law enforcement in general like they do sometimes blur the line on like what is a sting operation and what is an entrapment operation but they've long since won out in the courts but they're just allowed to do that

you know like there's whether whether that should be right or not they right run these entrapment operations all the time. It's like 90% of like the foiled terrorist plots that they report are just there was never going to be a thing anyway until you convinced some kid to go do it. And then, you know, and the bomb was fake the whole time anyway. So it was like a thing that never existed. And I don't see how you're not, how you're not going to be found. Like I'm saying a regular person, you get caught in that situation, not a regular person.

But the type of person who gets caught in that, you're fucked, you're done, you're getting convicted. And so what's he going to do now? And if he doesn't show up to try, I mean, this story is not going to die. This story is going to be because it's just too, it's too perfect of an example. I will say, although I agree with your point, the entrapment for terrorism is worse because it seems like it was individuals that otherwise wouldn't have been involved in those activities that were then convinced to go and do those activities,

it has a greater level of entrapment, whereas the sexual pedophiles that they trap, it seems like they were otherwise looking. And there still is an aspect of like pre-crime because if they just showed up to a location, I guess you don't know what they were actually going to do once they met with a 15 or 16-year-olds. And then I guess also in this case,

I mean, there's the possibility that it wasn't published correctly or they, you know, I haven't read the conversations. They could have represented it as an 18-year-old. So I guess there's still like some ambiguity, but nevertheless, the whole thing doesn't look good until Israel comes out and proves that, like, the police department just that the incident never happened or it wasn't a 14 or 15-year-old. This one just looks as bad as it is. If it makes sense, I always, I remember I saw, like I saw a few episodes of Dateline NBC to catch Predator thing back in the day when that was really popular. And then they've got like all those like pedophile hunt things online.

I know Jay got real into them for a while. And like I, uh, I can't watch them. Like I saw a couple of the to catch a predator back in the day. And it just made, it makes me feel so uncomfortable. I like can't watch that shit. Um, but there's no question that like, I, I always thought there was an element of it. That was like a bit weird where there would be these like the guys who they caught were almost all. always, you know, these weren't like who you'd picture a villain to be.

This would be like literally like the saddest, weirdest, lowest IQ people. You know, they're, they're getting a guy who has like a 76 IQ who's like, you know, this is a guy who's like not capable of learning how to read and write, you know. And then oftentimes they'd be kind of approaching him. Like he's just hanging out in these chat sites or whatever. and then they and you wonder you're almost like hey if you guys weren't doing this does this guy even leave his house that night like did did you create this whole situation in other words this guy wasn't actually going to do anything violent or sexual to any kid and then you created it and kind of lured this very sad guy into this very you know awful say the thing is though that that's always canceled out by the fact that he did get in his car and come over you know like so even when you feel there is just something about it's like Dude, that is such a, that is such a line cross to, like, actually go to meet what you believe is a child is just, so that the thing with the, with the terrorist entrapment things is that there was just such a, like, a higher degree of certainty that you're like, oh, there, like, there's no indication anything was going to happen ever. This guy never, you know what I mean?

Like, it's like, and even when they do cross lines, it's like, yeah, after months of you coaxing them. I mean, you know, just for, for what exactly, you know, in that Gretchen Whitmore entrapment thing, there's, the guys were like fighting with them for a while. Like, no, we shouldn't do that. And there's so, like, you know, that's the thing where just ethically speaking, it's clearly so over the line that like, even if you're running a sting operation and then the person who you're trying to get is going, I don't want to commit this crime. Like, I really don't think, and you have to work to pursue them to doing it.

That should. If there was any justice in the world. that should be where you go like, oh, okay, this is thrown out of court. Like, that's, you can't do that. Anyway. I think your point was those cases aren't even thrown out of court. So that's why this one's so much more fragrant. Yes.

No, that was essentially the point that I was starting out, which is like, however we feel about any of it, that shit doesn't get thrown out of court. That stuff is totally, there's people in jail for, for this shit for decades long sentences. So anyway, yeah, it's just, it's, again, it's like just one more, it's one more example. where what I don't I guess what's truly truly still stunning and shocking to me is that so like I just sent by the way we could watch the trailer for it if you want to but I just said so Netanyahu just sat down with the trigonometry guys with Constantine Kucin and his his co-host there whose name alludes me I apologize um but it's like so sharp questions well you know it's at least from the trailer it did

seem like they were at least asking so you know i think they're doing the the thing that i always accuse the corporate press of doing you know like they're doing kind of they have to at least pretend like they asked him some tough questions um but i'm quite confident that they won't ask the right ones and there won't be the right follow-ups and they won't call them out on his bullshit but whatever but the point is just that this is what's shocking and and really still to me to this day is that so clearly look nettingahu's rolling up his sleep and he's going on the podcasts right he knows what's up he knows that like we need to try to get back into this narrative war because we are losing the messaging battle very badly so he's trying

to you know to present you know whatever they are he's he's trying to pull people back into supporting uh him and it's like what's shocking to me is that israel you know it's like when we do those those like uh exercises where we're we're advisors to the bad guys you know Like, if you were an advisor, you'd be like, okay, well, here's what has to happen. Netanyahu, you got to get on camera and go, we will get to the bottom of this. We are going to look into this. We will coordinate with American law enforcement. If this guy did try to go rape a child, he will be held to justice.

I can promise you that. You know, like, just say it. Even if you don't mean it, you're not going to do it. Like, what are you doing? Like, you're in that you're trying to win this messaging battle back. Like, what is the message that you're sending out here? It's actually like, oh, no, I'm sorry. Did I not mention that, by the way?

Yes, we're allowed to rape your children. Yeah. When we come over there, we're allowed to rape. Listen, say whatever you want. This guy was, as you said, Rob, and I forget the exact title, but he was like a department head at cybersecurity division. You know, like he's not like nobody. It's a government official.

You've got to have something to say about that. Your government official just got busted for trying to have sex with a 15-year-old. Like, dear Lord, how do you not just? come and then and then just kill you know kill the the um the momentum of this story being weaponized against you it's shocking to me that they don't even seem to feel the urgency to do that yeah it's the same and by the way just in case my comments earlier weren't crystal clear uh pedophiles should all be in jail and prosecuted uh they're bad we're against that just in case any of my nuance got lost uh i'm 100% against pedophilia uh yeah it is remarkable that israel's

playing the same card of over Israel, we're above the law. So it's like the Jedi mind trick of like, no, wasn't arrested, was just, was just questioned. We didn't intervene and he returned home as scheduled, which is a very legal way of saying, oh, just that was his schedule, was to take a flight four days later or whatever it was. So he just took his scheduled flight. Nothing to see here. Let's move on. It's like, no, we all just saw the news story that a guy was arrested for potentially being a pedophile and now he just gets to go back to Israel and you guys are pretending like it didn't happen. Yeah. Not going to work. Yeah. It's just, it's like, yeah, it's like, yes, 100% agree. I did want to also mention this because I just kind of, I don't know, I feel

weirdly like obligated to just say a little something about this because I just, this truly to me was one of it was like one of the most disgusting things i've ever seen and um i sent you rob the uh the breaking points video uh about it because it's just not that there's even that much on the topic to say but i was just so appalled by it and i live in this world of really awful you know things happening but this one really got me um but so yeah so evidently laura um who by the way i mean I look. What can you say about this one? What can you say about what it says about Donald Trump

that he keeps this a chick like that, like around the administration? Laura Lumer for people who don't know, you know, I debated her. What was it? On zero. That was the first debate they did. Yeah, that's right.

That's right. That was it that was the first one? Yeah, that's right. That was before I did the Dennis Prager one. Yeah, it was around two years ago, a little less than two years ago. Um, and I don't know, dude, it was like, uh, you saw it. It's like, it was like I was debating with a screen door blowing in the wind. Like there was just not, I mean, literally just nothing

there. Like it was, it was, it was surprising to me that she took a debate. She took a debate on the topic that she doesn't know anything about. And it's just, it was ridiculous. Um, but anyway, so she does actually have some degree of influence with the administration. And I guess she decided to make a big stink out of the children who were getting medical treatment, the Ghazan children who were getting medical treatment here in America, and actually got their visas paused or whatever. There's essentially, these are, one of the things that I found so disgusting about this is that then she starts, like she takes to Twitter to, you know, launch this effort

to not let, I mean, I'm not being hyperbolic here, to not let children who have had their arms and legs blown off get flown into America to like a special facility for some procedure that they need for like 60 days and then go back. And that's like, these are like B2 visas, I think that's what they're called, where they're like, essentially I think they're like 30 or 60 days long. You can't work, you're not a permanent resident,

you can't go to school, you have to, you have to, if, you want it extended, you have to go back and demonstrate that you're still getting the medical treatment. And she was using all this America First stuff, like, why don't they come here? You know, why do they come here? There's other Arab countries. We've taken in enough people. You know, America doesn't need this crazy immigration policy, like all this. You're like, this is nothing to do with the immigration crisis that America is facing. This is a small number of children wounded in a genocide that the United States of America is funding and facilitated. like we actually do kind of have like a direct obligation if ever there is one to like maybe give

these kids the medical treatment they they deserve they need um not what they deserved a lot better um and they actually successfully got that shut down and so now they won't be able to come here to get medical treatment and yes this like this is nothing to do with like mass migration or demographic changes or even like immigration policy and these weren't asylum seekers these weren't people who are coming here and seeking permanent residency or citizenship or anything like that these are people who are going to be ethnically cleansed out of Gaza in uh in the next coming months probably and they're like just little kids little kids who have been like severely wounded in this war and we shut down given them met like i just Jesus man it's like what like what i was saying

before like it really is what I'm what I'm left with after all these years of making all these arguments and having all these debates is like you just just like what do you say to that other than just like you're like so you really like you're so you're not even a little bit afraid of God you're not like there's not even like a little part of you there's not 5% of you that goes maybe there's more to life there's some type of thing where like I you froze up pretty there. I think you're going to have to take that again. Yeah. Am I back? Maybe give it a second. It seems like you're coming back.

Yeah, okay. Cut off just as you were trying to say, isn't there more to life? And aren't you afraid of God? Right. I mean, just the tiny percent chance that maybe you're going to be judged in some way based off what you did or that maybe like doing something horrifically immoral is like, I don't know, you just can't do that. You can't like, it's just, it's wild to me. I could never imagine, like, you know, you're like, being an activist for an issue that you know that's the result of.

Like, it's just, like, really, I don't know, dark, evil stuff. I don't know. What else can you say about it, Rob? Well, I mean, based off what you're saying, it seems to cross a line of personal responsibility that even if you, I've, I've zero support for the actions Israel's taken in Gaza. But as a theoretical, I can understand why you're bought into that and, like, support someone else doing that. This is you've actually directly taken an action that sounds like it's going to result in a child, not getting health care that they otherwise would have gotten. Like, that's very, that's a very direct action of you preventing someone from getting necessary health care. That seems to be a different line or a different psychoticness of how much you believe in.

whatever you want to claim your cause to be, but that, that does sound pretty horrific. And you're like, dude, like they, even the thing they said was something, Marco Rubio, because it was the State Department who shut it down, and he said something like, he goes, well, the organization that was working on getting the kids here has ties to Hamas, you know, like that's always just ties to Hamas. Yeah, exactly. Right. I mean, not really, you know, Israel's the government. but then Israel keeps Hamas in power intentionally so that they can then say shit like this so that they could go oh but you're Hamas by that standard yeah exactly right is it Hamas is the

whole game there right is Hamas israel's pet and they're on record fucking admitting it this way this shit just drives me crazy they're all on record admitting it there's just another video that just resurfaced of Benjamin Netanyahu saying the same damn thing and he's saying it to law enforcement they're saying the same damn thing we control the height of the flame you see this is such a brilliant policy of me to prop up Hamas and it and in a way it is because it it allows them to do this all the time like it's not much rob but it's enough of a talking point for someone to walk in to pierce morgan's show with and go oh well the Gaza health ministry is under hummus and so eh you know can't trust these numbers or this or that but like you're like what even are you

claiming here this was some type of terrorist op to get sick kids medical care in america i mean like come on what are we talking about here you we could just treat these kids and then fly them back over so the goddamn least we can do we owe them so much more than that i mean we we owe them tel aviv at this point you know what i mean like that's where they should be getting the medical treatment is in israel if they got to be relocated like like nityahu's saying okay move them into israel it's your responsibility dude you're the one who did this um they're your people whether you like it or not those are your people you know in the same way that like you know we historically there's a particular level of evilness that we ascribe to

governments that killed their own people um and that kind of makes sense in a way i mean in a way it doesn't in a way it does you know like there is um i'm not saying it's any like morally speaking I'm not saying it's exactly objectively worse to kill people within your own country than to kill people in a foreign country. But there is something subjectively that sure does feel a little bit different to human beings. And there's something psychological about that. I mean, you know, if you find out someone killed a kid, that is insane and they are an evil person. You find out that he killed their own kid. There is a different level of insanity and depravity to that.

you know what i mean like there's just there's there's something a little bit different about killing your own family than even killing someone else not you know obviously they're both the same crime but there there's a difference there and when we talk about you know mouss eton or joseph hitler or you know the great villains of the 20th century and what they did to their own people we don't allow them to say like we wouldn't go well hitler didn't kill his own people because the Jews and the Slavs weren't his people. He didn't view them as his people. We go, yeah, but that doesn't matter, dude.

They were living under the jurisdiction of the government that you controlled. That means they're your people. That's what we mean by that. We wouldn't accept it as like, oh, you know, the American government didn't enslave its own people. They just enslaved these Africans. Like, no, they became your people. Like, once you took them back to your country by force, and once they had kids and it went on for generations and there were generations of people who just grew up there under your rule.

That's your people. That's doing it to your own people. And likewise, that's what Netanyahu, the people of Gaza are their people. They're their responsibility. They took control of their territory in 1967. Those are your people now. And like you just don't get to, you know, I don't know. You don't get to not take responsibility for that in a moral sense.

Anyway, yeah, I guess both of those stories are, Both, I thought, very disturbing and disturbing just for how horrible they are on its face. But then also just like secondary to that, you're like, my God, it just couldn't be like in terms of like the narrative war, in terms of the PR battle, my God. I mean, this is just like, it's such, it's all such like evil shit. You know, it's like you just can't believe people can be this fucked up. Anyway, any other thoughts on the matter, Rob? Don't be a pedophile and don't remove health care from small children. Two rules to live by.

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Maybe we'll talk about it tomorrow. But here, let's play the Trigonometry with BB trailer. When you were asked whether Israel is winning the PR war, you said, we're definitely not. We Jews have been fighting and losing the propaganda war for about 2,500 years. This is the fraud. It's not merely the starvation fraud. It's a genocide fraud. If we wanted to commit genocide, we would have done it in one afternoon.

When you have ministers like Smotrick making incendiary or inflammatory comments, and there doesn't seem to be any particular pushback from your government to this, they go, well, what does the Prime Minister really believe? Prime Minister, forgive me, but these aren't parliamentarians. These are people who are part of your government. He said that the UK would recognize a Palestinian state. What is your response to that? It's just downright dangerous because you're really rewarding these monstrous terrorists with

the greatest price, and that's because of weakness. You should ask you, Starmor, here's a suggestion. I ask him, okay. What do these protesters say about Britain? I know what they say about Israel. Israel has to be destroyed from the river to the sea. Well, Britain should go down. What do they say about the UK? And the same for the protesters in the U.S. They burn Israeli flags. They burn American flags. nowhere to flee we're in our ancestral homeland and we're not going anywhere so we fight them

but we're not fighting them only on our behalf we're fighting them on your behalf too look man i will just say uh i saw uh constantin he he tweeted uh you know this trailer out and he said um something hold on he said let the meltdowns be again as he tweeted which is a little bit of like clickbait and stuff like that but i don't know a few things of that number one i will just say i think this is great i said it last time with the knelt boys i just think it's great like yep have him on have them on and look this is the trailer i saw that i was commenting on before you had seen it rob like they're at least asking him about smotech they're at least asking them about a palestinian state i mean there's like there's

some real questions there now i don't expect that they're really going to do a great job of like grilling him and exposing him but i i'm open to the fact that i could be pleasantly surprised but even just that i like it i like more more platforming more conversations more of these things because even as i watch that i don't know dude that's the trailer and essentially what is it you're like oh that's the best he's got that's the best he can come with with the same the same old tired oh we could kill more people said uh you know we're fighting them so for you we're not even just doing it for us we're doing it for you it's like great keep it up let's see if that you know what i mean like i'm just i don't know i guess just like after

the years of like uh tech censorship and and and um the you know the years of like kind of corporate control and woke insanity and all of this and especially now that like my you know just personally that my like uh um stature has been rising in in this world i'm like oh dude i'm fine with a level playing field like let us all have a shot okay you go say that shit Netanyahu i'm gonna go get on a big platform and rip that shit to shreds you know what i mean like we'll see we'll see who wins on that front so i think it's great that they had him on i'm excited to watch it uh yeah i mean at least this is more pushback than what we saw from the knelk boys right off the bat so i uh i too am excited to see how that goes down and uh see if they actually had any critical

follow-up questions at any point of the interview yeah well at least at least like they know you know like they these guys aren't dummies you know you know obviously i disagree with constantin on on several very important things and i think he's very wrong about a lot of issues but he's not a dummy they're not and they're not like like i don't think the knelt boys know who smotrich is or know that a palestinian state has anything to do with what everyone's fighting about you know what i mean like they just they simply wouldn't even know to ask those questions whereas like at least these guys are going to

be like well we couldn't have them here and not ask that we'd look pretty silly so anyway it's yeah I just think it's good that it's happening I do think it's a it's a funny bit of like there was something about

constantin tweeting let the meltdowns begin that I found amusing to there's just a yeah there's this weird thing I feel like it was a you know like people

so there was around around the time that a snowflake became a big term you remember when people started using that as like oh you're a snowflake and it really at least from my memory of it it started as a response to um

the gay yeah well that's right we were out there in the in the cold for a lot of years just wanting to say retarded and you couldn't say it you know and then finally we came you know you there's a there's a Jewish message in there you know 40 years of wandering and then we came back home to be able to say retard again uh but there was well there was the the craziest of the excesses of wokeism on

college campuses was lit was really something out of a cartoon but if you remember this got this became very um uh widely reported around like 2000 somewhere in the like from 2004 2015, 2018, like in those years, where they actually had safe spaces in college, on college campuses. And this was not just like one or two. This was done on college campuses across the country at major colleges. Like, I know NYU had a bunch of like major colleges where they got into this whole thing of, it was trigger warnings and safe spaces.

This actually was a thing, adults, college students, I mean, young adults, but adults, college students at institutions of higher learning would say like before we read Huckleberry Finn, we have to put a trigger warning out and let everyone know that you might be triggered by this book. And if you want to go to a safe space, you can. And they set up safe spaces. Jonathan Haidt did a lot of great work on this. Christina Hoff-Summers, a bunch of like academics who did not get sucked into that craziness. They would set up rooms with like coloring books and balloons and stuff and like 19, 20 year old people at institutions of higher learning would go there if they felt triggered by like reading about, by the way, it was always weird

the things they felt true. It was always perfectly progressive and woke. Like it would be like, they'd be like, oh yeah, Huckleberry Finn, they use the N word. And so that's very triggering for a lot of our students of color. And you'd be like, how about reading about World War II? like I just I never heard about like a history class having to it's like I don't know that one that didn't get you like just I don't know Vietnam that we have that no it was never that it was always like you know aunt jamaima or something anyway but so the term snowflake became a term of derision for like those kids they'd be like yeah go to your safe space snowflake like here we're having a real debate but then of course the left started trying to use it back but it would just never quite hit the same way and I don't know what I feel like a

similar thing with this like oh let the meltdowns begin like as if like the people who are objecting to this it's like oh what are you triggered and you're like well i mean you know you're interviewing a guy who's conducting a genocide like it's not it's just like a meltdown it's not like people are just like you said a no no word i'm upset like i don't it's there's a reason to be upset here like it's not that crazy it's look i mean okay if you objected constantin would if you object to my use of the word genocide like okay but like Ehud barak and Omar two former prime ministers of Israel have both come out and said that Netanyahu's committing war crimes in Gaza um I think there's like well there's hundreds of thousands of

Israelis are protesting in the streets over the last few days over this shit um there's so so look what is the debate really the debate is between war crimes in genocide. That's the scale of it. So like it just, I don't know, to me, it just rings very hollow to be like, oh, have your meltdown now. You know, everyone, everyone always, it's like a weird Twitter tactic. Everyone always likes to frame the other side as having a meltdown, you know, but like, personally, I'm celebrating the fact that you had Netanyahu on. But like, if people are upset by it, I just don't think it's like, it's a, you know, it's like when they would call like white women Karen you know when that became a thing and like there'd be like some videos of it

where it'd be like a Karen was like you know during COVID they'd be like hey you don't have your mask on I'm gonna report you if you don't have your mask on and you're like fuck that but then like there'd be other ones where there's just like you know it's like three thugs are like beating up an old lady and one chick's like call the cops and they're like look at this Karen and you're like no that actually like that would make sense that was a really good time to be a Karen like yeah, this is a big deal. It's just hard for you to go like, oh, you're having a meltdown. And then on the other side, it's like, okay, what did all you guys do when Daryl Cooper went on Tucker Carlson? Does that not count as a meltdown? Or is it only when you get pushed back? It's a meltdown.

By the way, Darryl Cooper, a guy who has no political power and is responsible for zero murders. Well, he was in the military recently. I don't know. I don't know what he's got at his track record. But he's not, you know what I'm saying? Like, this is just, a guy with a history podcast given his thoughts on something you guys all had an epic meltdown for fucking years over it like I don't know people are upset

because you're sitting down and having a conversation with the dude who's starving babies to death if anything's worth getting upset about that's probably one of them so anyway all right guys let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is crowd health I've been telling you guys about crowd health

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come off however without any real conversation or political pushback these guys are pro israel they've been defending it forever it's like i don't know if i was the uh i love the i love the democrats and i had nancy pelosi on and for a hangout or whatever that's what you do so like that's actually, I'm just saying from like a news programming standpoint, it makes sense that they would be having Netanyato on. It's not like, it's not the offensive side, not that I'm offended by it, but it's not like, I don't know, if a Legion of Skanks had whatever politician on just to hang out and shoot the shit. Yes, yes. No, you're right. It's a different, it's a different animal. It's a different kind of proposition for sure. All right. Let's, I guess let's, we should spend the rest of the show talking a little bit about Ukraine. um you know there's uh you sent the trump uh called into fox news the other day let's

we'll take a look at that in a second but the you know the latest on it at least to me seems to not be very good um and it seems to be uh that zalinski and the europeans have found their way as always happens with donald trump it's like he just doesn't he doesn't even see the poison pills coming or he's happy to go along with them, but they really now have snuck in this security assurances as being a big part of the negotiations. And I got to say, you know, I was reading, I sent you before just the simple, the simple headline, which here, let me pull it up so I get it exactly, but it was Axios just in Trump agrees with European leaders to collaborate on Article 5 like security guarantees for Ukraine, but provided no details. So that's according to Axios. And it just, it, it reads to me,

like, that is, that is designed to keep the war going, not to bring it to a close. It just seems very obvious to me, to even say, to frame it as Article 5 like security guarantees. So what are you saying there? You know, look, this is what the whole war was about, right? Because, you know essentially we never did bring ukraine into nato right we just kept pushing and kept pushing and so in 2008 at the bucores summit they announced that that ukraine will be joining nato but they didn't lay out a whole uh what do they call it a map a member i forget what it stands for but it's like they didn't they didn't actually begin the process of bringing them into NATO, they stopped short of that.

It was actually the Germans who persuaded George W. Bush to not go all the way with it. And they have leverage there because, like, you need unanimous consent for new members of NATO. Everyone in NATO has to agree to a new member coming on board. So anyone can stop it stated differently. But so they didn't bring Ukraine into NATO, but they announced that they were going to. And then they kept asserting that year after year after year. They kept asserting that it's going to happen.

It's just a matter of time. And this was like Putin was the whole time, was like, no, you do that. I'll go to war with the place. So this was always the game. And then they just moved more and more to it where they started really doing like joint military exercises with NATO forces and the Ukrainian military. This is after we backed the coup that overthrew Yanukovych. And so like at a certain point, Vladimir Putin was like, well, you're just doing it, dude.

You're doing it without doing it. You're making them a de facto member of NATO. And now you're literally saying, well, we're going to give them Article 5 protection. It's like, okay, but that's just once again saying we're going to essentially make them a de facto member of NATO. And if you are saying that to Vladimir Putin, who's been saying consistently the entire time that this is what the whole war is about, it's the strongest possible incentive you could give him to not stop the war and to continue taking more and more territory.

Because look, even if Vladimir Putin, the whole issue has always been about a buffer zone to military hardware. That's the issue with NATO membership. The issue with NATO membership isn't that, well, I can't, you know, I can't invade that country now. Like, that's not Vladimir Putin's issue, you know, invading countries cost a lot of money. Russia's already the biggest landmass in the world. They're not like trying to, they're not like, oh my God, we can't incorporate Estonia

into Russia. That's not their issue. The issue is that, and Vladimir Putin's been very clear about this, is that, you know, this is where the not one inch to the east promise comes from, right? Like, why are you saying not one inch to the east? Because every inch to the east that you bring your military hardware cuts down on the amount of minutes before you, your fucking nukes land in Moscow. You know, like in these events, in this whole nuclear, mutually assured destruction world,

it changes everything if you, if it takes 20 minutes to destroy all of Russia, versus if it takes four minutes to destroy all of Russia. This is like the window of time that they get to decide whether they were going to launch nukes back or whatever. This has always been their issue or a major part of it. And so if you're saying, hey, Vladimir Putin, whatever you can't take here in Ukraine, the rest of it is going to be NATO. The rest of it is going to be the West. Well, what's the incentive then, Rob, to take as much of it as you possibly can? If that's what you're – again, keep in mind, there isn't a CETO.

fire in place here. There's a hot war still going on right now. So if you're, if you're telegraphing in the middle of this war, like Vladimir Putin, whatever you do not claim here, like what you claim is going to be part of Russia, the rest of it is going to be part of America's military alliance, then you're just incentivizing him to take as much of it as he can, keep the war going. So that seems to me to be what this is, is that it's still an effort on the part of uh zolinski and the europeans to keep the war going and it's don't trump as always stumbling right into their their trap but i don't know you you could uh give your thoughts rob or or your thoughts about the fox news call we can play that after you're done

all right my intuition and it's problem it's just the problem with reporting on trump is that it's always a bit of a guessing game because they don't really outline their plans or give you the specific details and uh it's uh actually what's made this job more difficult over the last six months than I think any time I've done that or my nine years of being on the show is that it is just a bit of a guessing game and you never know if uh anyways so just my basic intuition is it does seem like this has a lot of forward momentum of them actually looking for a peace plan it doesn't look like they're just flirting with it it actually looks like they're pushing forward now the biggest detail that hasn't been resolved in any capacity is I guess

what is a security guarantee actually look like um in my estherst. for what I'm reading, I'm going to assume that maybe it's some sort of a United Nations or NATO kind of defensive peace force. And so I think what you might see is some sort of a with maybe even Russia being involved in the security guarantee because it's like it's a UN involvement. But what I'm wondering is if maybe if Putin's able to keep the territories, maybe there's some sort of an understanding of a defensive-only peace agreement and not like an actual expansionary agreement. But to your point, it seems like very loose terms of that we're back to our initial place

of if there's going to be a NATO guarantee for defense for Ukraine, wasn't that the red line from the beginning? And so if a security guarantee is still being flirted with, isn't that still just Americans having to pay for this? And isn't that just still back to square one of what started? of the war. So in my estimation, I'm just thinking that there's got to be something else that they actually have in mind. And the fact that they're stating it as a Article 5, is that what it's called Article 5 type guarantee, is that that's more to sell it to like kind of the warhawks and

the Europeans as something that it's not actually going to be. Because otherwise, it's just, I don't understand what this whole show of forward momentum is if you've got something that Putin won't possibly agree to. Well, I mean, I think what happens here, right? Like, I think this is my read on it and it's again not exactly the point you were making but in a similar sense it's a little bit of guesswork you know but it seems to me like the way it works is like so you have the war hawks who want the war they're constantly putting pressure on Donald Trump and they're constantly filtering the information that he gets uh because you got to remember like with all of these guys this is where because i think it was Daniel Ellsberg who wrote about this god

I wish I had a better memory. I'm pretty sure it was Daniel Ellsberg. But he was writing about how, like, one of the major problems in government is that all of them are reading their security briefs, you know, but they're not reading the newspaper. They're not reading books. They're not really educating themselves on like the history of a conflict or like what's going on right now. Like what, you know what I'm saying?

Like, they're not doing what I do. Like, they're not like, I'm on anti-war.com every day. I'm reading books by the best historians about the history of Israel, Palestine, every day. Like, that's the world I live in. When you, I remember talking about this when our buddy, Liam did that guerrilla journalism thing where he's asking all the congressmen about, how do you feel about, you know, Benjamin Netanyahu propping up Hamas for all these years. And all of them, to a man, they go, I'm not familiar with that report.

Which report are you talking about? And it's just interesting that that's even what happens. I'm almost 99% sure this was Ellsberg. who wrote about this. But he goes, what happens is when you're like a congressman or a president or like, you know, a high-level politician, maybe you're on like the Senate Arms Committee or you're on the Intelligence Committee. Now, you get these classified briefings. And so you kind of feel, you have this sense of like, I'm getting the real shit here that nobody else is getting. I'm getting secret information. Yeah, I don't need to read the Washington Post. Like, I know what's really going on.

Those guys are just guessing. I know the real shit. And there's some degree of truth to that. But then you could also see where that totally puts you in a position where you are totally controlled by the intelligence agencies. Because first of all, it's not always the real shit. A lot of times it's bad intelligence or lies or there's huge omissions of things like Benjamin Netanyahu's policy of propping up Hamas for many years. Like there's, and so anyway, there's this tremendous, like, kind of controlled feeling. of information to Donald Trump and then even to the war hawks around Donald Trump.

And what ends up happening is like when they don't win the round, they have a contingency plan. So if Donald Trump says, hey, you know what? I want to negotiate with a round. I don't want to fight a war with them. Israel saying we got to fight a war, but I want to negotiate. They lose that round. They go, okay, he wants to negotiate.

We want them to just start dropping bombs. But then they go into the negotiations and they go, you know, Mr. President, if you're really tough, you'll say that they can't enrich uranium at all. Because, you know, these possees like Obama and Biden let them enrich uranium. But Mr. Donald Trump, you're the biggest, bravest guy in the world to see. And they got him to go. No enrichment of uranium. And then the Iranians were like, yeah, but then there's nothing to negotiate. Like, obviously we can't do that.

We're not getting rid of our civilian nuclear program that we have every. right in the world to have, but what we will negotiate about, like, bringing the 60% uranium back down to the 5% that we used to do, you know what I mean? So, like, they put a poison pill in so that the negotiations can't go forward. And then they can credibly say, not credibly, but, you know, with some degree of plausibility, say, hey, you know, we try, no one tried more than us to come to the negotiating table and offer them this. We even offered Vladimir Putin the territory that he's already taken but he just wouldn't do it because he wouldn't you know the security guarantees because he wants to take all of ukraine or something so that's more or less

my read but i'm very open to the possibility that it also could be you know what you were saying perhaps this is a way to signal to the hawks you can save some face here or something like that we'll have to we'll have to see what uh what comes from it do you want to play rob did you think this was worth you gave a time stamp for this fox news uh calling right well there were a couple things I sent the time stamp of. The first one was from the actual Zelensky and Trump meeting, in which Trump was joking about how

great it is to not have to have to run for elections during wartime. I don't know if you caught that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He just kind of played it off with the laugh. Yeah, no, we don't have to play that clip, but that was, because that's essentially, I think you just kind of gave the moment there. But yeah, it was interesting that Donald Trump just kind of, in a

weird way seemed almost like he was mocking it, but then was also kind of or unaware or like, in, or like, intrigued. It was like a weird, it was almost like the same way he asked Theo about what cocaine is like. Like it was like he was just asking Zelensky like, man, what's that like, huh? So you just like don't even have to worry about winning an election. That's pretty cool. Like it's, I don't know, it was bizarre. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Ridge. I love the Ridge wallet. I made the Switch a while back.

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One was Trump talking about that he'd like to save these lives so he can get into heaven. And he was like, it's 7,000 people dying a day. And that was an interesting moment. The moment you might be more intrigued by is when he places the blame for the current situation on Obama and basically just says the idea that Russia needs to give up Crimea is ridiculous because Obama basically gave it. Yeah, let's go, let's do that one because I did think I agree. Yes, you're right.

That was the one I liked and that also was ridiculous. Did you send Natalie the timestamp for that one? Yeah, I think it's in the email. Okay. Okay, great. I'm a baby. It was really Obama's, that really, I mean, that was pure and simple. Obama's fault.

What a terrible thing he did to that country. And so they lost their heart. They lost the heart and soul of Ukraine 14 years ago, whatever it might be. And it was so unnecessary to do that. And that's when it really began, when Obama gave it away. And then you had a lot of other events, but you have tremendous hostility. The people of Ukraine were mortified when that took place. That really began a lot of hatred when they gave it.

And they didn't have to. Not a shot was fired. thing. They just took over the most valuable piece and the biggest piece in the sense of, but it's surrounded on four sides by ocean, just a little passage to get you back onto the mainland. The most beautiful piece of property you've ever seen as a real estate developers. I look at it. I said, why the heck did he do that to them? And so there's this great hostility and maybe rightfully so. But one thing was NATO. They went in, they said, we want you, you know, we want to get Crimea back. This was at the beginning. Now, Putin had offered us to him. He made a good deal. He got it

from Obama. But they said, we want it back. And that was not exactly well received because it was like 12 years before. That's where Russia has its submarine base. And, you know, that's been there long before Putin. You know, they've been there for a long time. But long before Putin. And the other thing, they said, is we want to be a member of NATO. Well, both of those things are impossible. Because again, long before Putin, it was a no-no by Russia or the Soviet Union or anything you want to call it. It's sort of a similar thing as it gets larger. We could just pause it here. I guess I, you know, I really honestly, the, you know, the more time that goes on in Trump's second administration, it's almost, which I, you know, look, this is an obvious

insight that anybody probably should have been able to see when Donald Trump came down the escalator And I think it's only because, like, the country is so desperate and so betrayed by the ruling class and so righteously indignant at them that people almost, you know, are like, well, he's the only game in town. He's the only one challenging them. But he's just so fundamentally unsurious. And, you know, listening to this, like, Donald Trump kind of, like, reciting the history that I don't know, Rob. someone told him he certainly didn't read any of this in a book he's got a couple of details that are kind of right there but really just doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about like did he as he's talking about Crimea being the heart and soul of Ukraine like what are you talking about is that

Crimea was always more Russian than Ukrainian ethnically speaking linguistically like I like the reason why not a shot was fired no one died or whatever I think maybe a couple people died. But the reason why it wasn't like a bloody takeover of Crimea was because they already had their goddamn their their whole military there. They already had the overwhelming majority of the population was like there was independent polling that backed this up. They wanted to be a part of Russia. They identified with Russia, not Ukraine. It was the heart and soul of Ukraine. And like, does he even know that there was a coup that year in Ukraine? Does he even know that the government in Kiev was overthrown? Because that never seems to come up. But he's

mentioning how he's saying Obama's mess up was that he gave it to Putin. He gave the heart and soul of Ukraine to Putin. He totally just has this wrong. No, it's Obama's fuck up wasn't that he gave Ukraine to Putin. It was that he took it from him. That was the whole thing. The, the fight, Gideon Rose, right? Rob, I just posted this video again the other day. Gideon Rose literally said it himself as it was going down. This is the editor of Foreign Affairs Magazine, the, what is it the journal of the Council on Foreign Relations, right? The most consequential foreign policy establishment newspaper, the editor of the magazine, is on record going,

yeah, no, what we're doing. He just said it at the time because it was, you know, this is years before they had to make up all the propaganda and lies. He was just, remember, he's explaining it to Stephen Colbert, and Stephen Colbert is in character, and he's like, wait, so what's going on here? What's going on in Ukraine? And Gideon Rose doesn't hesitate to explain what's going on.

okay you see russia is batman ukraine is there robin what we're doing is we're stealing away robin from batman so that robin comes and joins us and plays on our side and now you know we could distract putin with the the olympics and all these other things well we just take a country from him like that's he was just explaining it that was the mess up not giving it to him trying to take it and when he tried to take it Vladimir Putin's response to that was saying i'm going to break off a little chunk and keep it for myself because that chunk was very valuable to me anyway Donald trump it's just um i don't know man he's just so fundamentally unsurious he's unsurious to a point where it's just who can even you know like who could even take anything he says seriously

it's like you even said before rob it's like yeah that's what makes the job hard is this guy's just so full of shit 99% of the time when he talks that i can't even judge look i was even thinking this as i was listening to the other part today and we'll wrap on this because i got to wrap a rap but uh you think about the fact that Donald Trump we all just let him get away with this because he's Donald Trump and we go 99% of the time you just can't listen to a word this fucking idiot says um but he literally dude he's didn't he claim that they stole the election from him in 2020 right did I do am I remembering that correctly they stole the election from Donald Trump you know I was thinking about this because he was going off on the whole thing

about how this war never should have happened, and it's only because Biden was president, and even if we had just had a normal president, it wouldn't have happened. We didn't even need a great president. We just needed it not to be Joe Biden, the worst president we've ever had, and that's why the war started.

Now, again, it's bad history. It's stupid. It totally demonstrates no real understanding of the conflict. But you're like, oh, yeah, and why was Joe Biden president? Because, according to Donald Trump, they stole the election, right? So in other words, I'm not putting too much together here.

What Donald Trump is arguing is that they stole the election and that got hundreds of thousands of people killed. So hey, Donald Trump, are we looking into that? Is anyone going to be prosecuted for that? Who's the they who stole the election? Are you ever going to tell? No, because that's how unsurious he is as the president of the United States of America. He'll just sit here and claim that he's making, you know, the same claim.

that the liberals were making about Russia gate, that the democracy was overthrown in America. But no one even expects him to make a move on that because we just know he's fundamentally unsurious. He doesn't mean the things he says. It doesn't have convictions. I don't know. I just find it all pathetic.

All right. Got to wrap up the show on that. Come see Rob on the road, PorchTor.com. Come see us together on the road, Comicavsmith.com for all those ticket links. Catch you guys next time. Peace.

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