Part Of The Problem - Joe Biden Can Not Recover

Episode Date: July 4, 2024

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You're listening to the Gas Digital Network. Look at who we're funding right now. Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big. You're listening to Part of the Problem on the Gas Digital Network. Here's your host, Dave Smith. What's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I'm Dave Smith. He is Robbie the Fire Bernstein. We are both not at home.

I'm on a family vacation, actually, right now, which is something people with families do around this time of year. And Rob, you're off gigging, which is something Rob does this time of year. It looks like we're in the same shitty hotel rental. I'm actually in quite a beautiful house, but I found a pretty plain corner of it to be podcasting from by the way i'm literally well i'm right outside the the there's a bunch of kids in a pool out back so if you hear any noise that's what's happening it does kids having the time of their life in a pool sounds very similar to kids being tortured to death it's a very weird thing that like I've just hear like insanity coming from out there and I'm like, are these, are they alive? And then they're like, Oh, they're having more fun than any humans ever had. Um, but anyway, where are you up? You're in the middle of the summer porch

tour. I, I gather. It was a epic weekend of porch touring. I'm currently in Pittsburgh. And then we head down to Richmond, Virginia, Virginia beach, uh, Raleigh, North Carolina, and then off to Texas. So we're, we're porch torn hell yeah dude sounds fun and then of course me and you are going to be all over the country uh for the rest of the year comicdavesmith.com for all the tickets to to come see me and rob when we uh when we come by you um all right so i'm i've been on vacation for a few days um and i'm, you know, I'm not keeping up with the news as much as I do when I'm at home. But I have been, I've, it's been impossible to not spend a little bit of time on it because it's just been, you know, I don't even know exactly how to say this. It's a weird,

it's a weird place that me and you find ourselves in. It's a weird time to be doing a show about what's going on in the world while so many crazy things have been happening over the last few years. I mean, me and you were doing this podcast for years. I mean, I started this podcast during the Obama administration, and I was recording through Donald Trump getting elected. Me and you were recording together through Donald Trump being framed for treason. And, you know, there was a lot of crazy stuff that happened in 2016 and 17 and 2018 and 19. Then obviously, 2020, I mean, just it was crazy to be doing a show about the news while the country was shut down. And, you know, so a million other crazy things happened in those

years, you know, pretty fairly unstable and eventful time to be talking about what's going on in the world. I will say the last, what has it been, five days? How long has it been since the debate? This little stretch, that debate and this little stretch since is up there with just the wildest moments in politics that I've ever seen. politics that I've ever seen. There's so many different angles to it. It's like for, you know, like I've made the comparison a million times. I'm sure you have too. Lots of people have too, but to the emperor's new clothes, which as I've said before, I remember this story when I was a kid. I remember us being taught as kids, like this story, the emperor's new clothes, and it's all about a naked emperor and everyone's pretending he has beautiful new clothes on. And then one

little boy calls it out. And, you know, and I never really thought like, oh, what a brilliant story. It was just kind of like a fun little story that, you know, kids enjoyed. But over the last few years, you're like, oh, I got to go reassess how brilliant the author of that story was, because it really is talking about something, you know, profound. And, you know, the Joe Biden's mental state for anybody who has not either been not paying attention at all, or has such partisan tunnel vision, that they were somehow capable of pretending, you know, like some cognitive dissonance type thing that you could just like pretend that what's right in front of your face isn't right in front of your face because you really

want to believe, you know, in Joe Biden's amazing competence or something like that. But for anybody else who was outside of that, this has been an obvious thing since at least 2019 that it's like, oh, yeah, clearly Joe Biden had some severe cognitive decline. And it was almost like we were all waiting till when this would, you know, at a crucial moment, reveal itself. And of course, this happens, you know, we did a whole post debate, you know, stream. So you can go watch that if you want to see some more of our thoughts on that. But now, there, you know, there's this very strange dynamic, where the everybody had to admit it. But after months of pretending it wasn't a thing, years, really, of pretending it wasn't a thing.

And now there is a very strange divide on the the Democratic side of the aisle over what the hell to do about this. this. There's so evidently, at least it's been reported, I saw NBC News reported that Joe Biden went back to Camp David, where he had been for a couple of weeks preparing for the debate. Great job, by the way, preparing for that debate time well spent at Camp David. And he was having a discussion with family and close allies about what to do going forward. In my experience with dementia, you keep going until your balls are out. And that's when it's over. It's the moment when you show your grandkids and your offspring your balls that everyone goes, all right, I just saw his nuts.

And then I think we're going to need a new candidate. Yeah. So he's still OK until the balls are out on live television. Well, that seems to be the – according to NBC News, he was leaning most heavily on the advice of Hunter. I'm not making that up. And I know you said that somewhat in jest, Rob, but I could see that being Hunter's real advice. Like, I don't know.

They got you with your balls out, banging an underage chick. Then you're fine to keep going. Hunter's like, listen, I got the crack dose wrong on that debate, but I got you through the last seven things. So just give me one more chance, dad. I got I got the supplies you need. And I ran the experiments on myself. I know what to do here. Trust me, if there's anybody who's going to know what dose to give you, it's probably Hunter. Well, look, I mean, I think essentially this is where there's a I was going to say there's a divide, but there's probably like a few different camps here. Right. And and it's important to understand kind of all of them. So there are let's say let's say there's one camp is people connected to the Biden administration. So this is anybody who's in his cabinet, anybody who's in business with somebody who's in his cabinet,

anybody who maybe you could be someone who works for the corporate media, but let's say you have Blinken's chief of staff is a good friend of yours. And so you can get inside information from him. Right. So like anyone kind of connected to the actual Joe Biden administration. So this group of people is all heavily incentivized for Joe Biden to stay in because they lose their job if Joe Biden gets out or they lose their connection if Joe Biden gets out. This includes Jill Biden, Hunter Biden, you know, like family members, everything like that. If Jill Biden goes from being the first lady who's kind of secretly believed to be, you know, let's just say punching above a first lady's weight class, right? Like now she loses

that. If Joe Biden announces he's not running again for the next four years, she's just some lady. That's it. You know, Hunter Biden, he loses having a president who can pardon him, who's his dad. You know, like there's people like that and people who have these positions. These people are all heavily incentivized to keep Joe Biden in the race. Then there are business interests who, depending on the sector, could be incentivized to have a Democrat as the president. So like, for example, if you're, you know, whether it's a big bank or big pharma or, you know, say you're like a green energy company or something like that, you're going to do way better with a Democrat. But now your incentive is for the Democrats best chance to win. You don't really care if it's Joe Biden or Gavin Newsom or Kamala Harris doesn't matter to you.

All that matters is who can win, who can win this election. Those are the people who are incentivized to push Joe Biden to drop out. OK, like because they just want the best shot a Democrat has. And they realize this guy is not possibly it after that debate performance. You know, this is like I'll say right now, I don't think there's any coming back from that debate performance. It's not, you know, as we mentioned in the live stream, actually, let me save that thought for a second. I'll just say there's a third group of people that would consist of people in the corporate media, political commentators, things like this, who have gone all in on this is a right wing conspiracy theory that Joe Biden is senile.

Oh, you know, then you could even include like online influencers in this group also who have been saying all along, oh, Sleepy Joe is just a dumb nickname that Donald Trump made up for him. And, you know, so now they have to figure out what they're doing. And you see a lot of this in the corporate media where they've a lot of them have gone, well, shit, we can't pretend anymore. So now we're going to make it like it's a shocking thing. That's kind of their narrative. Oh, my God, this is so shocking that he had such a bad night. That's what they keep saying, a bad night, you know, as if that's what happened, which is obviously not at all the case. The truth is that this was,

and we said this on the live stream the other day, but there's just kind of no getting around this. This was not, it was not a bad night. It was not, Barack Obama got on Twitter and tried to spin it. He said, bad debate performances happen. I should know, you know, kind of alluding to his first debate in 2012 with Mitt Romney.

It was pretty. Bad things happen. Bad things happen. Right, right. Well, it was it was kind of universally, maybe not universally, but it was largely agreed that Obama's first debate with Mitt Romney, he didn't do a great job. And that was true. He didn't have a great debate performance.

But to even compare the two of them like they're in the true. He didn't have a great debate performance, but to even compare the two of them, like they're in the same universe, this wasn't a bad debate performance. Again, you know, I've been, I've been thinking about this. I put out a tweet, like, what do you think, you know, what, what's the second worst debate performance ever? You know, cause like, obviously this is the worst there was. And people brought up a few, there's, there's good examples. I mean, and, um, I think we might have mentioned a few of them on the live stream. But Richard Nixon, famously in 1960 in the first televised debate, did people who listened to it on radio thought Nixon won. But people who watched it on TV thought Jack Kennedy won.

Nixon had like sweat above his lip and just didn't look good on camera. It was a little bit stiff. Makeups for fruitcakes. Yeah. Well, you know, he had a point. All right,

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But if you remember, Rob, just a few years ago, Michael Bloomberg had a really bad debate day. You know, it's Elizabeth Warren was grilling him and his, you know, he was he was asking why all these women had to sign NDAs who worked for him. And he was like, oh, maybe I told an off colored joke and that drew booze from the crowd. It did not go good for him. And it went bad enough that it kind of crushed his hopes at being the nominee. And of course, famously, Jeb Bush, you know, just got beat up by Donald Trump. But I can't even explain it. Biden's was so much worse than theirs, not even in the same universe.

Joe Biden, I mean, Joe Biden collapsed into himself. He did what we all everybody who's not been insane or uninformed or whatever, what everybody was thinking, this could happen to him. And it happened. He collapsed. He was a senile old man who didn't know what he was saying that. Look. The proof is in the reaction, even for amongst CNN and MSNBC commentators that after the debate, they're all talking about whether or not there's going to be a new candidate. How bad, listen, Barack Obama in 2012 had a bad debate night against Mitt Romney. Not a single person in the United States of America was questioning whether Barack Obama should pull out of the race and somebody else should jump in in his position. That was never on the table. Nobody could even fathom that that would be on

the table. And look, it's July. The election's in November. to at this point be talking about switching out the the candidate in itself tells you what a disaster this was. So anyway, well, you know what? Let's play a couple of these clips and then maybe we can because that'll kind of get things going. So here let's go to this first clip. There's been some more post-debate polling, not too much, but some more. But it all seems to indicate what we what we thought would be the case. So let's let's play this first clip here. Numbers for President Biden post-debate. We do. You know, CBS News, YouGov conducted some polling

post-debate. We can compare it to the pre-debate numbers. And the bottom line is it's not any good. It's not any good. Look at this. Voters who say that Biden has the mental health to be president. It was just 35 percent pre-debate. Look where it's dropped to now post-debate. Twenty seven percent. How about that? He should be running for president. It was 37 percent pre-debate. It's now 28 percent. I have never seen numbers this bad for an incumbent president during my lifetime. I mean, that mental health to be president, just 27 percent. You might say, OK, you know, that's low.

But a lot of people thought Biden was too old back in 2020. These numbers look nothing like this back in 2020. These numbers were bad already. And the truth is, Alison, they have gotten just considerably worse, even in just a few days after that first presidential debate. There's been some other numbers coming in, too, that indicate the same thing. I think it's all it's all right there for you there. I just think that there simply is no recovering from what Joe Biden did in that debate performance.

There's the big question going in was, is this guy too old? Is this guy mentally capable of being president and not just being, but for four more years? And I think he clearly proved that he's not. I don't know any other way to look at this. Any thoughts, Rob? It's going to be a particularly a big problem if the noise machine of CNN or otherwise is saying, hey, this guy's incompetent because we know how dumb people are and they might have watched the debate. And if CNN kept telling you, well, Trump was lying the whole time, then some people, emperor wears new clothes. You're still saying he looks great. And people are like, nah, he's OK.

This is still our best chance to beat the evil Trump. And we can't have Trump in there because it's the end of democracy and this is still our best hope. It seems to me that this, I feel like I'm watching the best television show on earth that they decided to take him out. And now we get to watch the two week pressure campaign as to who is actually pulling the strings and who they want to replace him with is interesting. But I think somebody saw their opportunity to step in and they are trying to throw him under the bus and pressure him to step aside. And it's going to be two weeks of better and better stories of what this guy looks like behind the scenes until they embarrass him enough that he either steps down or kind of like pressuring Trump with the court cases. He says, I'm not moving. And then they got to pivot back to

it was just a bad night and see if they can resell him. But says, I'm not moving. And then they got to pivot back to it was just a bad night and see if they can resell them. But it seems like a lost cause. Yeah. I mean, there's you know, you got to think about it like this, right? It's the fact that the entire discussion since the debate has been about whether or not Joe Biden's going to be the nominee. That is damning in itself, right? The debate performance is damning. That being the conversation after the debate performance is damning. You know, all of these things. And now add one more layer into that. Listen, I'm going on record. I'm saying there's no recovering from that debate. I don't think

Joe Biden can win an election, OK, if there's a legitimate that debate. I don't think Joe Biden can win an election. OK, this is if there's a legitimate election. I just don't think you can do it after that. I think even even with the emperor's new clothes, even with how much you can fool people, that is there. Don't get me wrong. Look, it was still 27 percent. Right. Or 28 percent. There's still a percentage of people that no matter what are just going to be. right, or 28%, there's still a percentage of people that no matter what are just going to be, but that percentage when it's that in your face. And look, ultimately, this is why CNN and MSNBC had the reactions they had, right? Because even they recognize we can't pretend that didn't happen. Like that'll cost us more in terms of credibility than just telling the truth about it, even in just this little box,

telling the truth about what just happened and not the broader truth, which we'll get into in a moment. But but it's just but OK, so now add this. Let's say I'm wrong. And OK, this isn't a fatal blow, but it's a damn near fatal blow. So like that debate did happen. And the conversation has been about whether or not they could get a nominee. And now think about the position that Joe Biden's in. He can't have another senior moment for the next four months, right? He's got to get all the way through this thing without having, he can not have another debate performance like that. I don't think you can let him debate again. If you're Joe Biden's campaign, there's talk of a second debate. I don't see how they can let him do that. I mean, with all the pressure on him, and if he stumbles again,

then he's totally but even just now, now it's going to amplify every senior moment, which Joe Biden has almost every time he leaves the house. You know, like every fall, every slurred speech, every just Joe Biden moment now is going to be just, you know, it's going to be a thousand fold more damning than it would have been before that debate performance, because now it's just reinforcing over and over again, the same narrative. What's interesting about that is the hiding will be obvious too. So last time when we said it's very clear that they're keeping an embasement for a reason, it's because we knew that he was an incompetent dumbass. Now, as he needs to actually get out there and prove the fact that it was just a bad night and he is competent. Everyone's going to be like, hey, where's this chicken?

How come he's not in front of us? How come he's not showing us that he's actually competent? And it's because he can't be. And I think the voters are now going to be aware of that. Yeah. You know, I think it was I think it was Daryl Cooper had a post. There's a really great, a really great. It was a really great, a really great, it was a really great tweet.

And he basically said that if Donald Trump was smart, what Donald Trump would do is say, like in a kind of, if he could be magnanimous, like if he had that in him and he could go, hey, listen, guys, you know, nothing against Joe Biden. This is it's it's sad to see. We're all going to go this way if we live long enough. But for the country, he really should step down. You know, we wish him the best. And it's you know what I mean? Like kind of in this, you know, not like take shots at him, but actually say like, listen, I should have someone running against me for president. It's the best thing for the country is the best. And then he could kind of be the good guy rather than being the bully. And also he could create a political situation where now if they do switch him out, it's what Trump asked them to do. And if they don't, it's like,

hey, I asked to not be running up against this guy. Like there's there's a lot of smart ways that this could be played. And it seems like, you know, Donald Trump, for better or for worse, only has one speed and does not have this ability to, you know, it's like the thing like everyone's always hoping at least on on one issue when it really matters. Trump will just not be Donald Trump. But that's just that's not in the cards. Trump, but that's just, that's not in the cards. I also think the, uh, the Democrats have a real RFK Jr. problem because, uh, for some Democrats, he's going to be closer to their point of view. And actually remember that whole return to normalcy thing. There might be big topics such as Israel and otherwise that you and I don't agree with, uh, RFK Jr. on, but he's competent. And so if you're a traditional Democrat and you actually start seeing the guy

and hearing the guy, all of a sudden that starts to make a little more sense. Yeah, no, look, 100%. And we can get into that a little bit more, but what ended up happening throughout the Democratic primary, which is really blowing up in their face in a lot of ways now. I just sent you one more video, by the way, Rob. Brian, sorry. Let's go. I just sent you one more video, by the way, Rob. Brian, sorry. Let's go to the other one that we had lined up and then we'll go to the Joy Reid

one that I just sent you because I found that pretty interesting also. But let's go to the chief nerd one. For President Biden to be removed from the top of the ticket, he would have to agree.

He has to agree. DNC rules are absolutely clear on this. The threshold to be the nominee is 1,968 delegates. President Biden currently has 3,894. Unless he steps down, there is no mechanism to dislodge him from becoming the re-nominated candidate for the Democratic Party, period, end of story. There are lots of people who are talking about it, but unless he removes himself or is somehow otherwise incapacitated, this is a closed matter. It's a family matter at the moment. A very important family matter, not just the family, but the broader Democratic Party family. Okay. So I wanted to go to that clip as you were getting into your RFK point, because this is really look, here's the whole game here.

OK, so essentially what happened is that the Democratic establishment and the corporate media, they they find themselves in such an awkward position here. And this is one of the things that's so fascinating about this moment that this week has brought is that, look, they went all in on this isn't an issue. And we're going to emperor's new clothes this. And we're all just going to tell you that, nope, Joe Biden is wearing these beautiful new garments and that's that. And this is why they decided not to have a primary. And it wasn't only RFK. RFK was the biggest threat, but there was Marianne Williamson. I think even Cenk Uygur was running at one point. I think there was one or two others who were in there and they decided they're not having primaries. We're going to close this. There will be no primary debates. There will be no primary elections, at least in many states. And so, yeah,erce Joe Biden to step down voluntarily.

But it's very difficult when you went all in on this not being a problem. You know, it's kind of, we talked about this on the live stream, but it's one of those moments like the lab leak theory, like so many other things where, okay, they want to switch on a dime and okay, now you're allowed to talk about it, but they're also not going to credit anybody who was talking about this for years, which again, this is not, you know, there are some things, Rob, where maybe we have an insight into something because like we've read a lot of books about it and kind of understand the situation where like the layman who doesn't read a lot about this is just probably not going to get it as much, but this isn't that. This is easy. This is easy for anyone with a brain to look at Joe Biden and

recognize that this is the major problem. And that's why we've been talking about this for years. I mean, like this isn't even one that I feel like we should take credit for. Like there's a lot there's a lot of things I'm like, hey, we got that right. And that's because we you know, like we have the correct theory or we know our stuff or whatever. This is nothing like that. This is just any human being who is being honest with themselves could have known this. And they went all in on deciding that we would make it radioactive to talk about this, that we would make, you know, gaslight or whatever, you know what Ilight or whatever, you know what I mean? Act like you're crazy if you brought this up. And they went all in to the point of

closing the primaries because they knew Joe Biden couldn't stand up to a real primary. But now, maybe if they had sent the signal early on that, like, hey, Joe Biden's a weak candidate, we need to get other people in here, they'd at least have some other options to fall back on. So they did this to themselves. And now they're in this position where what do they do? What do they do? Especially when all of them were forced to admit the truth in the immediate wake of the debate. Now they're all they're all going to have to try to pivot back to what? Pretending that he doesn't have a problem with senility? Glenn Greenwald basically essentially predicted that immediately after the debate. He was like, look, they're all throwing

Joe Biden under the bus now, but as soon as they find out that Joe Biden is simply not willing to step aside, they're all going to have to walk back into defending Joe Biden. He seems to be right. But I'm just looking at this and I'm going, that is a bridge too far. I just I don't think there's any way to do that without even to your NPC audience, them recognizing that like, oh, this is bullshit. And look, again, my argument is just like that's essentially why they had to tell the truth immediately after the debate. The performance was so bad that even they knew they couldn't get away with this bullshit. So how the hell are they going to move back to that? And it seems like what it's going to be is just, oh, Donald Trump is so awful.

Let me try to scare the shit out of you as much as I can. That seems to be the playbook. I don't think there's any chance of that of that working. Here's why I don't think that's going to work. Their pitch was a return to normalcy. And if you look at the country now versus when Trump was in for four years and the fact that the Democrats are positioning somebody to be president that clearly has dementia and mental illness. I think there's a lot of people that look at that and go, well, that's not normal either. And I don't like that. And so I bet some of the even though I was making the joke that old people like Biden because they like to feel empowered, that they can also stay in their jobs past their

prime. My guess is that some of these older people that like Joe Biden will actually go, well, I think Donald Trump is a better chance. And I think some of these educated mom voters that went for Trump that then switched to Biden in the second election, I think they're going to see Trump as just being a slightly better. I think inflation and the border wall is a real problem. I don't know if people are educated enough to quite understand why the wars are such an issue. But I think there's a lot of people that just want to see a pathway towards improving the country and addressing these issues. And when you got a guy with dementia and they're trying to pretend like he's OK, I think when people are actually pulling the lever, you're going to have a lot of people that no longer buy into this. Oh, Trump's going

to ruin the country. He's incredibly evil. You know, I he was there for four years. The country still stands. And now you got a choice between dementia or Trump. I think a lot of people are going Trump. Yeah, I find that hard to argue with, you know, and look, it is it's a loss for the country. It's first off, it's just it's a total embarrassment. It's going wrong. By the way, their pitches was how would we look to the rest of the world? It was one of the soft goods of the Democrat was that we look presentable, that the president needs to look presentable. And you're telling me that Donald Trump, with all of this chaos, is less presentable than Joe Biden right now? Of course not.

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the holes in them. And then Joe Biden did it just by being a walking vegetable and demonstrating that the entire system will attempt to protect you as best as possible, that they will totally lie to their own, you know, audience in order to protect their interests. So that's kind of the silver lining. But look, I mean, there is something to be said for the fact that it's totally humiliating for the United States of America for this guy to be the leader. You know, this this was one of the things, by the way, that was a major takeaway people had and a very, I think, organic and real takeaway people had when Tucker Carlson interviewed Vladimir Putin, that, you know, one of the things that was like as an American, people were struck by. And this is a condemnation, by the way, of Trump and Biden, not just Biden. But one of the things

people were struck by was just like the command that Putin had of history and politics and argumentation in general. And that's not to say that you agree with him. As I, I, first of all, I didn't agree with his opening half hour about, you know, that like how Russia kind of has some historical claim over Ukraine.

I don't know that that argument is totally not convincing to me, but he's got an argument and he knows the history and he can present it to you. And just that alone, it's like, you know, you could tell from listening to Vladimir Putin that he's read a lot of books on this subject and he's got thoughts about them and he's got a command of the information. And it is totally humiliating that a country like the United States of America doesn't have a leader like that. That is not the highest bar. You know what I mean? Like, like if you were talking about like a really good high school teacher, not even a college professor, but like a really good, you know, let's say, let's say like a,

an 11th grade English teacher or something or history teacher or something like that. Like, and I, uh, I was like, uh, saying, you know, I'm interviewing people for this job, but I haven't found anyone who's demonstrated that they've read several books on this topic and have a command of the information. You'd be like, well then keep interviewing people. on this topic and have a command of the information, you'd be like, well, then keep interviewing people. What? That's the bare minimum. Like that's, that's a prerequisite. That's not something to even brag about. That's just like, how would you be doing this? If you haven't done that same thing for like a podcast host, you know, a show like this, like, I don't know, like you Rob very clearly have like read several books on the topics that you're interested in and you have a command of the information and you have your opinions.

OK, maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, but like that's the most basic thing. So the fact that Joe Biden is our guy is like on that level, it's totally humiliating. humiliating. But in addition to that, it's there's a real loss for the country that Donald Trump isn't being pushed on anything. You know, like Donald Trump got a W in that debate performance. He got not only did he get the win, he got perhaps the most dominant win in the history of televised presidential debates, not even perhaps it was the most dominant. in the history of televised presidential debates. Not even perhaps it was the most dominant. I mean, obviously, Joe Biden had the worst performance and therefore Donald Trump's whatever, you know, just, you know, if you see even the things like people are given Trump credit for, they're like, it's like, well, he didn't humiliate himself while

this other guy was humiliating himself. That's essentially it. Oh, Trump was composed, you know, whatever that means. When they cut his mic off, he didn't keep screaming even though he knew his microphone was off. That's the credit. But it's not as if, look, Donald Trump was able to get away with everything, everything in that debate because he didn't even have an opponent. So Donald Trump can basically just pretend that 2020 didn't happen. He could just go, hey, we had a great economy for three years. And then Joe Biden came in. Really? Well, but what? Aren't presidential terms typically four years? What happened in that fourth year of 2020? There's no referendum on 2020 because who the hell cares? Joe Biden doesn't remember the year and he was just awful in 2021 and 2022. So, okay, it's a wash. And then even on,

you know, on the issues of say like Ukraine and Gaza, Trump's answers were terrible. They're terrible. There was no more America first talk. There was no talk of the military industrial complex or how these weapons companies are just making a killing that basically we ended the war in Afghanistan and they wanted their profits. So we found two more proxy wars that we can fight. No talk of anything like that. He basically said, oh, we should make Europe pay more for Ukraine and Israel should kill Gazans faster. They're taking too long. And oh, by the way, Joe Biden's a Palestinian. That was his big knock on Joe Biden. This lifelong Zionist who is currently funding and arming the

assault of Gaza. The real issue there is that he's a Palestinian. And you could already immediately see where if there was anyone even just mildly competent, Donald Trump would actually have to answer. He'd actually have to take positions on these. They'd actually push him to run on something and make some promises. And so, of course, because Joe Biden is such a vegetable, you don't even get that. So there is, you know like there's a silver lining to it it does expose the whole system in a way it is entertaining as shit it gives people like me and you a lot to talk about but there's a real profound tragedy to all of this that i hope isn't lost on people this is not healthy hopefully it wakes them up that on the democratic side uh it's clear that these people don't have your interests at heart.

Joe Biden is clearly interested in his own power grab. The idea that he the idea that he thinks he's the most qualified in his current state to run the country. Clearly, the guy wants to remain in power because it's the ring and he likes having it. to remain in power because it's the ring and he likes having it. And Kamala Harris knows how unpopular she is. And she must know that she's not the smartest, slickest or most competent. But hey, I've got a chance at power here. And has there ever been a more clear display that it's about the people wanting power and not about them having any interest in trying to help you? Well, there's so one other interesting wrinkle in all of this, which I have a feeling we're going to find more. We're going to figure out more about this over the next week.

I hope this I hope by the time this podcast comes out, it's not already irrelevant because something you know, might might there might be a major move here. But this was, so this was within the 24 hours after the debate, it was reported by NBC news. So again, take this with a grain of salt. But it was reported by NBC news that Kamala Harris, you know, it's one of those like people close to Kamala Harris speaking, you know, anonymously said, close to Kamala Harris speaking, you know, anonymously said, but that she was furious that there was all this discussion about replacing Joe Biden and that she was being overlooked. So look, I'm not more than Joe. Well, look, but there's there's some there's a signal there.

Now, again, you got to take these this type of reporting with a grain of salt. You never actually know. Although in this case, in this instance, the only reason why I give it some weight is because there'd be no reason for them to make this up. In fact, it would only be advantageous for them for this not to be the case. But if if that is the case, then we've got two signals that are coming out, which is, number one, Joe Biden's not going down voluntarily. In other words, he's going to have to be pressured. And number two, Kamala Harris is not going down voluntarily. She's also going to have to be pressured. Now, Kamala Harris, as we've discussed again, everyone who's not been in this ridiculous world, like I just I

don't even know what to say. It's not even like any of the other. This isn't like believing in lockdowns or believing in the war or believing in central banks or something where it's like it's wrong and it's destructive and you have bad arguments. This is just like ignoring reality. The world of people who have been pretending that there's not a major problem with Joe Biden cognitively. To everybody else, this is the dynamic we've been talking about for a while here, that Kamala Harris, she's holding Democratic kryptonite in her woman of color hands, right? Which is that she can play that card and play it to death. And they are totally screwed if she plays this. Because look, what is it? What is it that they want to do? They want to leapfrog over the person who is rightfully next in line and the person rightfully. So they brought in Kamala Harris and made her the vice presidential candidate so that they could add a like historic

element to the Joe Biden campaign, because progressives love this by their very nature, by their very DNA. This is what moves them. We're we're we're progressing. We're making progress. And if you're always making progress, then you're always going to have these firsts, these historic moments. This is what what Barack Obama had, the first black president. You see the way that moved progressives, right? What Hillary Clinton had with the first this is going to be the first female president. You see the way that moved progressives, right? What Hillary Clinton had with the first,

this is going to be the first female president. Okay. Well, Joe Biden being a rich old white guy, who's been a freaking Senator for 170 years, there's nothing historic about him becoming president, but you attach Kamala Harris to it. And now it's the first ever female of color vice president. OK, so now you get this kind of feeling for for progressives to feel good about progress. So they used her to put her there. But the thing about putting her there is that puts her next in line. That's the whole thing. That's what the vice presidency is.

It's really nothing else except you're next in line. If the president dies, you're the president. If the president doesn't choose to run, you get to run. If the president runs and loses, you're the immediate presumptive nominee for the next time around. That's what the position is. And so now when you got a bail on this guy, we're saying, oh, we're going to leapfrog over her and get Gavin Newsom in or something. But all she has to do is step up there and just say, you know, we have a long history of brushing aside women of color in this country. And there are some people out there who'd want to do that again. But I know the Democratic establishment is better than that.

They would never do that. And she can box them in. And so she's already signaled, if this reporting is correct, that that's what she intends to do. And why wouldn't she? Why wouldn't she want that power? The rest of them all want power. What do you think?

She's there because she don't like power. You think this woman rose from being Montel Williams side piece to vice president of the United States of America because she doesn't like power, you know, so she's she's going to fight for this as well. And if that's the dynamic and they can't get Kamala Harris out, then the real question here for the powers that be is. Has Joe Biden fallen far enough that you're better off with Kamala Harris? And Kamala Harris is so bad that even after Joe Biden pissed his pants on national television the other day, there's a whole lot of people going, we'll still roll with Joe Biden before we give this Kamala Harris lady a shot. It's just an incredible, it's an incredible

situation. It's like surreal. You can't even believe it. And at the same time, it's again, I came to terms a long time ago with how evil the ruling class in the United States of America is. It's actually a harder thing to wrap your head around that they're this incompetent because you didn't think that like, you didn't see that you were doing this to yourself. You weren't at least a year ago, prepping out, gaming out the scenarios here where you got someone else in. It's shocking. And they do, obviously they have a short bench but anybody else has got to be better than these two all right guys let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is moink moink delivers grass-fed and grass-finished beef lamb pasteurized pork

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I wanted to play this because I think this might give a little bit of insight into how the pivot back to supporting Joe Biden is going to go. Of course, Joy Reid is a host over at MSNBC and one of their biggest. Propagandists. And so this was her video, a TikTok or something like that, that she made just the other day. Let's play this. This election is no longer about the old guy that's in the White House now.

Like, you know, all the op-ed pages and the New York Times can run around and opine about, you know, what Joe Biden should do. And, you know, y'all have fun with that. Enjoy yourselves, intellectual thought leaders. I no longer care. Doesn't matter to me anymore. It's above me now. It's above me now. There's a Waffle House next door. There's a Best Western next door as well. It's above me now. It's above Joe Biden now. Don't care about Joe Biden's age, infirmity that he shuffled when he walked.

I don't care. He could be seated for the rest of from now to Election Day and never get up off a chair. He could sit down. He could roll around in a wheelchair. He could be on a skateboard seated. I don't care. Donald John Trump cannot be allowed back into the White House because if you combine that madman with this court, two of whose members are insurrectionists,

one of whom flew an upside down flag at his home and landed on his wife, who's also crazy. The other of whose wife literally was part of the insurrection. And they ruled in this. They put themselves in the Leonard Leo six. They went ahead and ruled on this with no shame. The beaters case, meaning that beaters should be able to get machine guns, which, by the way, they have now arrogated to themselves the power to decide all federal rules. Everything, whether your plane that you fly in is safe, how much carbon can be in the atmosphere, how much filth can be in your water. They said agencies that have experts can't decide that. They will decide that. So they are kings and Trump is king. You put him in the White House combined with this court and a Republican House and Senate. We're done, y'all.

combined with this court and a Republican House and Senate, we're done, y'all. All the rights that were won in the 20th century, the hard-earned rights of women, laborers, workers, the rights of children. Remember, child labor used to be legal. The rights of Black folks, forget that. The rights of non-white immigrants, forget that. All of the 20th century, they are trying to repeal the entire 20th century, and they're doing it fast between them and these crazy republican governors they are repealing the american century the 20th century because they don't like it and they want back the 19th century the century when super rich white men unchecked and untaxed amassed great wealth passed it down with no taxation to their descendants and pretended that they had earned it.

Okay, we can play it positive here. Before we break it down, when did Cisco get into politics? If you're around my age, that's a great reference. Well, isn't, okay, so look, forget, I don't know, I'm tempted to start breaking down her nonsense on how, oh, these rich white men got money when it was untaxed like yeah you're right no one gets rich today that's why we got no more billionaires in this country ever since the income tax okay all of that aside you see the the propaganda here like how she's she's starting to turn these wheels and it's really i mean just just first off, appreciate how look, I guess this is the best they can do.

It's funny that, you know, the idea that they even still have the ability to go. No, no, no. I know. But things just reached death con. Yeah. Listen, yesterday, I'm sure we could have had a conversation about Joe Biden being senile. But now with the Supreme Court judgment on presidential immunity now, I don't even care. I don't even care how old Joe Biden is. That doesn does it matter to Joy Reid that the president is senile? You know, like the more relevant question is like, does this matter to voters? Which it's going to. But you just see the the the unbelievable dishonesty in Joy Reid as if before this ruling, she then she would have cared about Joe Biden being senile. Right. So it's like imagine pivoting from, oh, you're crazy if you think Joe Biden is senile.

Oh, no. The emperor is wearing these beautiful clothes. What are you talking about to going, you know, I don't even care if he's got clothes like that. That's never been what this was about, whether he's got clothes, doesn't have clothes, whatever. I'm not even going to get into that argument with you because, oh my God, Donald Trump, he just made himself king. And the Supreme Court is king. And also the House and the Senate. You can't let all these kings in there. They're going to strip everybody's rights. Black people don't have rights anymore. Women don't have rights anymore. It's, it's like, look, this is going if they cannot get Joe Biden out, this is going to be what all of them are going to have to pivot back to. And it's just I just don't see any way this can work. You can't

go to like you. They've been at 11 since 2016. What are they going to say now? Oh, because of this latest round of Supreme Court rulings, we're at 11? We were already at 11. You started by telling me democracy was on the ballot. What the hell are you talking about? You can take this to another level. Now it doesn't matter that Joe Biden shits his pants on national television because the Supreme Court ruled on presidential immunity. This is just too goofy. I don't know, Rob, any thoughts?

We're at DEFCON even worse. Yeah. I mean, come on. What is this? Wild week of Supreme Court cases, though. All right. Well, we don't have that much time, and I got to get back to my family vacation here so we can we can talk about the Supreme Court cases more on the next podcast. But if you want to just like quickly, you want to just talk about the presidential immunity one first. Well, we can work backwards. You got a broad strokes presidential immunity for anything that's even on the outer reaches of official functions. In my personal opinion, I don't know why we need a president who can engage in illegal activity and why they can't create some sort of a secondary Supreme Court to give quick rulings on whether or not something is or isn't illegal.

But they prefer a framework by which presidents can be aggressive and they are above prosecutions so that they can make wartime or other seemingly what they're claiming to be important decisions. I don't understand why we need a framework for presidents to be allowed to do illegal actions. With that said, even if you were to say the presidents could be prosecuted, I don't think what Trump did with January 6th deserves to be prosecuted. And with this ruling, the Jack Smith case is almost certainly falling apart. Yeah, it does. It does seem that. And in fact, there was just some reporting out today that they're thinking about postponing the verdict. And there's even some whispers of charges being

dropped and stuff like that. So it does seem like it's going to have an effect. I will say this. like that. So it does seem like it's going to have an effect. I will say this. I don't know if I could think of a Supreme Court ruling before where I was opposed to it in principle, yet in terms of practical application, really kind of got why it's probably a good thing. So just to be clear about this. So this is one of the things that has always anybody who's a libertarian is probably experienced this before. One of the kind of like objections to freedom that people will throw out a lot is that they'll kind of come up with scenarios where violating somebody's rights, violating the non-aggression principle could be necessary, like in theory. And one of the reasons why I've never found this to be a compelling argument is because I would always think to myself like, okay, but just let the starting point be that this is illegal.

And if there are some crazy extenuating circumstances, then go explain that to a judge. So even if when people would be defending torture being legal and people like Sam Harris would think that they had these brilliant arguments for why torture should be legal, which by the way, it came down to his exam, the exact same arguments that he made for why he was actually right about vaccine mandates. And it would be like, well, change the variables. And if the variables were different, then you would support them too, or whatever.

But like, so theoretically, let's say I'm arguing torture should be illegal. Somebody else is arguing torture should be legal. And their argument is, well, imagine these crazy extenuating circumstances where there's a terrorist and there's a bomb that's about to go off. And the only way you can get the information out of the guy is to torture him. OK, but you could save 100000 lives by torturing this one guy. It's like, OK, so in my framework, torture is illegal. But you find yourself in this situation where you can save 100000 thousand lives by torturing a guy. Okay. So do it. But then the onus is going to be on you to

have to demonstrate in court that like, listen, I know I broke the law, but this is a crazy situation. And in fact, there are situations like that where people violate the law, but the situation was so crazy that when they explain it in court, a jury of your peers is going to be like, all right, you know, this guy didn't just break into somebody's house. He was literally dying of thirst in the desert and came across a house and broke in to get water. He's willing to reimburse the guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're probably not going to like lock that guy up for breaking and entering. In a similar way, I don't see why that can't apply to presidents as well. And to be clear, obviously, the Supreme Court ruling said, you know, within like it has to be a presidential duty. It can't like the president can't just run down the street

and stab a guy. He doesn't have immunity for that. However, in theory, I totally disagree with this. I mean, I totally think that like some, for example, Barack Obama, who drone bomb killed American citizens, plural, without charges. He may have done that as an as a presidential act, but I don't believe he should be above the law for that. I think he should be able to be prosecuted for that. It's a goddamn crime. It's a moral crime. Whether you murder somebody or a president murders somebody, I don't think you should get to do that and have immunity. So in theory, I don't agree with it.

However, you also have to acknowledge that in reality, we already have that. In reality, Barack Obama is not getting prosecuted for that. That's not on the table. It's not happening, at least not anytime soon. Right. And so we've kind of existed in this world now. And this has been demonstrated with with Donald Trump, where presidents are above the law. They do not.

It doesn't matter if George W. Bush institutes torture, lies us into war, if Obama kills American citizens, starts wars without a congressional declaration, all of these things. They all do it and they've all gotten away with that. The only one who's getting prosecuted is the guy who's seen as outside of the system, who's having the justice system weaponized against him. And so if I'm, I don't know if I'm making it clear, but so there, there is just like this big contrast or conflict, which I guess I got to work out in my own head some more between in theory, what I believe here versus the clear practical application of this is that all this is going to do is take off the table, weaponizing the judicial system against a political dissident. In other words, we're not

getting the day. Like it's not anybody who was in bed with the military industrial complex and commits war crimes is not going to be prosecuted. Yet an anti-war guy running for president almost certainly would be. By the way, I'm not even claiming Donald Trump's an anti-war guy. I'm just saying like if a young Ron Paul was running and looked like he was going to win, yeah, they're going to weaponize the judicial system against him. So like by taking that off the table, at least to an extent, it in effect is actually kind of leveling the playing field where like not only the war criminals have immunity, whereas in the past it's been exclusively the war criminals who get it. Does that make sense?

I completely understand your argument and I get where you're coming from. I think there's better solutions to fixing that particular issue. And I personally think that the and I get where you're coming from, I think there's better solutions, um, to, uh, fixing that particular issue. And I personally think that the, uh, that I don't think that I like, I, what you're essentially saying is that, um, you can weaponize prosecutors to go after good people, um, that are outside of the system. And so we need to correct for that because, I mean, I'm just repeating what you said. So I totally understand your argument. And I think there's validity there. I think that, and no one would ever put this into action, but to me, the solve is you get a secondary court and the same way as like people get warrants, you get a quick judgment on whether

or not what you're doing is legal or illegal so that there's no, um, there's no, Hey, we're not able to make quick decisions here. You take that off the table. Hey, is it legal to go bomb these people? Yes or no. Like what specifically is the action that a president needs to be able to do quickly that they need to do things that are illegal? Like what, what is this situation? And why? Well, look, and, and back to my point that I was making before about how I've never found this critique of libertarianism to be impressive, you know, like maybe the first time I ever heard it, I was like, oh, that's an interesting point. And then as soon as you wrap your head around it, you're like, no, that's just not because like, look, in the same sense that, OK, let's say like if you take like some crazy like the movie Saw. like the movie Saw. Okay. You remember all those, those crazy horror movies,

fun movies, by the way. But let's say, you know, it's something like that where, you know, you know, some evil maniac has like hidden a key to a lock inside of, of my, you know, chest.

And in order for you to unlock your entire family and save them, you have to rip me open and kill me in order to do it. Right. And like you do that. You kill me in order to save your whole family because you find yourself in this crazy situation. And you're like, OK, OK. But the answer to that isn't like you make murder legal. It's like, yeah, okay. In that situation, we're still going to err on the side of you just, you know, you get charged with a crime and you have to go explain that in a court rather than erring on the side of murder's legal now, you know what I mean? Because there's just way more problems associated with that. And so in the same sense, you could say, hey, if the president finds himself in a situation where

he has to break the law and he thinks in the moment that's the most important thing and, you know, OK, so do it. And then you got to go explain that in court rather than erring on the side that the president can do whatever he wants to in his official business. Even if it's breaking laws, it doesn't matter. He's just allowed to do that. I see there's a way bigger problem with erring on the side of murder should be legal than erring on the side of murder should be illegal. And in this saw experiment that we're talking about, you go explain that to the court and you have to throw yourself on a jury of your peers. That's kind of why we have judges and juries and things like that. So you can take these crazy situations into account. Seems like a better system to me. All right. And then I guess next episode, we got to get into a bit of the Chevron case and then also the censorship case, because

in my eye, they're the Supreme Court's one for three. One for three being Chevron being. Yeah, Chevron's a win. And then the the presidential immunity and the Biden administration getting off the hook for tech censorship. I think we're both. Yeah. So I think no question we're going to I mean, we've talked a little bit about the presidential immunity. But I think to foreshadow our next episode, no question. I think me and you are both going to agree that the Chevron case was excellent and the tech censorship case was very bad. So we'll get into uh to all of that stuff on the next episode thanks guys for listening hope you're enjoying this uh crazy time

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