Part Of The Problem - Max Blumenthal

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

Dave Smith brings you the latest in politics! On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave is joined by journalist Max Blumenthal to discuss the UK observing a Palestinian state, the tie between Israel and Charlie Kirk's death, and more.Support Our Sponsors:For the men! Balance hormones naturally with MARS from The Wellness Company! https://twc.health/problem and use code PROBLEM for 10% + Free Shipping on all orders.Kalshi - https://kalshi.com/daveProlon - https://prolonlife.com/potpMASA Chips - https://www.masachips.com/DAVE Part Of The Problem is available for early pre-release at https://partoftheproblem.com as well as an exclusive episode on Thursday!PORCH TOUR DATES HERE:https://www.eventbrite.com/cc/porch-tour-2025-4222673Find Run Your Mouth here:YouTube - http://youtube.com/@RunYourMouthiTunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/run-your-mouth-podcast/id1211469807Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4ka50RAKTxFTxbtyPP8AHmFollow the show on social media:X:http://x.com/ComicDaveSmithhttp://x.com/RobbieTheFireInstagram:http://instagram.com/theproblemdavesmithhttp://instagram.com/robbiethefire#libertarianSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

what's up everybody welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem i'm very excited uh for this one one of the cool things about doing what i do is i get to meet and talk to a lot of people who i really admire who i've learned a lot from and today's episode is a great example of that our guest today is uh max bloomenthal who is just one of the best authors and journalists out there. I highly recommend his stuff. His book, Goliath, is one of the best books I've ever read on the Israel-Palestine conflict. And of course, the gray zone where he is a reporter and the founder, has done some of the absolute best reporting over the last two years on the Gaza stuff. Just really invaluable work, and particularly to me personally, I mean, I've really benefited

from the work they've done. So thank you so much, Max, for taking the time and joining us. Thank you. And thanks for that warm introduction. I hope I can live up to it. And thanks for all the interventions that you've made since October 7th. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. There's, yeah, well, it's a wild time. So I want to get into a lot of the Charlie Kirk stuff that you've been reporting on lately. But I got to ask you just because I have you here. And we're recording a day earlier. The show will be coming out on Monday. But today, Sunday, this morning, the Prime Minister of the UK announced their recognition, desire to see a Palestinian state,

and then the government of Israel put out a statement about how, you know, they don't recognize this recognition. I'm just curious, because you understand this better than I do. What do you think is the significance of this? I mean, obviously a Palestinian state will not be, we're not about to realize that anytime soon, In fact, the destruction of Gaza continues as we speak. But how significant of a moment is this?

Or what are your thoughts on it? I think it would be more significant if the European Football Association banned Israel. And it would actually have a material value if the UK and the EU got together and pressured Germany to stop all weapons shipments to Israel. That would actually possibly upend the genocide and save lives. what they're doing here is a hollow gesture to do something it will have some diplomatic value because it will provide the Palestinian authority with more of a voice at the UN but it's the same Palestinian authority that collaborates on the ground with the Israeli military there is no Palestinian state on the ground the West Bank now is a prison all the cities are completely surrounded by military and settlers and military behind the settlers. And it's impossible for people in the West Bank to travel between Palestinian people, to travel between their own cities in what's known as Area A. So I don't

know where this Palestinian state would be. There have been a record new settlement authorizations in the West Bank. And of course, we see Israel right now as we speak is destroying Gaza City, which is the administrative, cultural and governmental base of Gaza. So, Gaza would have been part of a Palestinian state, but then again, how would people from the Gaza strip get to the West Bank? And then where's East Jerusalem in this? Israel has cut off E1, which is a corridor of settlements. They're constructing in this corridor called E1. I visited it multiple times, and it basically encircles East Jerusalem from the West. So it cuts it off from the Palestinian West Bank, and then you have the apartheid wall, which cuts that off. So, like,

there is no possibility under what Israel has done of a Palestinian state at this moment. So it's a hollow gesture. And then what is the enforcement mechanism? Like, how can you tell the Israelis, you must allow people from East Jerusalem to go to the West Bank? They're all part of this state. They all have to be together. You must give them borders. The enforcement mechanism is what BDS, the boycott divestment and sanctions movement was created for,

which is to pressure. Israel. And this is something the S is for sanctions. So the governments could just sanction the crap out of Israel until they allow Palestinians to live as citizens in their own state. But they're not going to do that because of the internal political pressure they face in the UK from the Israel lobby, which helped get here Starmor to where he is, which destroyed Jeremy Corbyn, who would have actually potentially tried to enforce a Palestinian state. So what really needs to happen right now, what we need to be focused on is saving lives. And lives can only be saved by cutting off all weapons to Israel and sanctioning Israel. Then this all ends. Then we can talk about

diplomatic paths for it. I personally favor a binational state where everyone has equal rights. But right now, we're witnessing a genocide. It's a Holocaust. And we just need to stop it. And this will not stop it. Then there's one last point to your question. This does elucis elucidate the reality of Israel that I presented in my book, Goliath, which I know you read. And it's in Israel where there is no one, maybe a few hundred people who actually support a Palestinian state. So everyone says the problem is Netanyahu, big bad BB, he's always been against a Palestinian state.

He has guaranteed his supporters that he will prevent a Palestinian state. But where is the furthest? who is the figure out the furthest to the left of Netanyahu, who still has a voice in Israeli politics. His name is Ja'ir Golan. He comes out of actually, I think, the Merits Party, but he has been a ferocious militarist and supporter of the genocide in Gaza. And he just issued a statement condemning the recognition of a Palestinian state. There's no one in Israeli politics who supports a Palestinian state.

And even if they did, they wouldn't support it along 67 borders. So we have to deal with Israel as it is. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is the Wellness Company. We've all heard the studies, testosterone in young men is drastically decreasing every decade. One major study in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism found a healthy 22-year-old in 2000, had doubled the testosterone of a 22-year-old in 2025. So if you're in your 30s or 40s or 50s, you might want to check this out.

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got to give them their own sovereignty and a couple of the things that have made me really re-questioned that and as you said there you think that one one democratic state is a better goal to push for number one was when I was reading about the the mindset of the Israeli leadership class around the 2005 disengagement from Gaza. And it really was the thing that spooked them was when the Gaza leadership started pushing for a one-state solution rather than a two-state solution because they just like that. And so that just got to me when it was like, oh, if that's what they're afraid of, then maybe that makes sense.

But the other thing is really what you were getting at there, that there's just been so many. I mean, the purpose of all of these actions have been to make it impossible to ever have a two-state solution. And we're now, you know, if you think back to like Camp David or something like that, most 25 years later, and it's 25 years of putting poison pills and roadblocks in the way of even like the framework of what a two-state solution potentially during Oslo could have been. And so it does seem like the logical conclusion from that is that you're never going to get that in the best case is to push for the, for one state. And it is, I got to say, I'm sure you agree with me on this,

but like when one of the funniest moments in American politics over the last year, certainly, was during that debate for the New York City mayoral Democratic primary, where they tried to, it's like how upside down the world is, that their big gotcha of Mamdani was that he said he favors one state with equal rights for all. And somehow, Max, you're supposed to hear that as like a Hitlerian statement of sometimes.

like equal rights, this monster. And so it does seem like maybe that's just the best thing to push for. Yeah, I mean, you had all these, you had like black New York politicians on stage, recognizing an ethno-supremicist apartheid state and attacking him for it. It's kind of like an upside-down world. And one state solution or a binational state where everyone has equality under the law actually does represent a dismantlement. of the exclusivist Jewish state. And that's not a problem with a one-state solution. It shows what

the problem with the so-called Jewish state is, which is that it's an ethno-supremicist state that provides no rights to the indigenous people who actually represent a majority between the river and the sea who have been there for hundreds and hundreds of years longer than the Jewish settler class. Zionism must be dismantled in order for peace to take root. And until that takes place, we will witness a continuous state of warfare and untold horrors like we have never seen, including waking up every day to see children who Israel defines because they're not Jewish as demographic threats being shredded day after day. This isn't also because Israel is because of the Jewishness of the Israeli state. it's because of the ethno supremacist character.

We had the same problem with apartheid South Africa. We had the same problem with the United States when it was a settler state, which is that until it can ethnically cleanse the indigenous population or crush their resistance as they tried to do in South Africa, they cannot consolidate the state as a so-called democracy. And this is why we see leadership rising. Israel, like Idemar Ben-Gvier or Bezal-Smotr, but especially Ben-Gvir, because Ben-Gvir said something that he believes something that I actually agree with from another angle that's fundamental to his worldview. And this comes from his mentor, Meyer Kahana, who really is, I think, the most

towering figure in Israel today. We can talk about who he is, or you can just look him up, it's spelled K-A-H-A-N-E. And what he said, what Kahana said and what Ben-Govir says is, you simply cannot have a Jewish and democratic state, which is Israel's selling point to the world. You have to choose because if you're democratic, you're eventually going to let the Palestinians vote and they're going to vote in their own politicians and eventually their own prime minister because they're growing. They're a demographic threat. And so we have to consolidate the Jewishness by eliminating them. And that's what Israel's decided to do in the Gaza Strip. And they're carrying out a holocaust i mean they're openly saying it that they're trying to push the population out of their

homes by blowing their homes up and then driving them into egypt that is so what we're witnessing is the fundamental logic of zionism playing out in real time yeah and well this is uh what benny morris i think was saying all those years ago when he was telling the truth and he said that transfer was always i forget his exact words that it was always inherent in the zionist project but obviously yeah you can you can only be like the it's i think always been the true nature of the israeli experiment right is that like you can they they want to pay lip service to be a democracy but the thing is you like if you have these two values that are being a jewish state and being a democracy well you can only achieve both of those if you're willing to ethnically cleanse the population if you're building a state on

arab land then you have to work out the numbers to be so that you're i mean whatever, it's been around 80-20 for most of Israel's existence because they move the rest of the Arabs out and keep them out. And so there it is. Like you can kind of be one or the other. And it's been at this point so like ingrained in their own conception of themselves and also in their selling message to the rest of the world is, oh, we're the only democracy in the Middle East. And so in order to be able to say that, they have to keep this amount of pressure. You know, I always think back to, and I'm not saying it's perfect, but it really, really is fascinating. If you've ever read, I'm sure you have, but if you ever read the write-up

on the Israel Palestine or on the Zionist question in the King Crane Commission after World War I, or they basically, it's not exactly perfect, but they basically get it completely right. They go, man, I mean, this idea of building a Jewish state here is going to take an enormous amount of force to create and maintain. And there's just no way you're going to do this without having a permanent state of war where the Arabs are your enemies indefinite. And it's like, damn, if that wasn't pretty impressive to think of that in the aftermath of World War I. I mean, but I guess if you're over there, that was just the reality on the ground. Yeah.

And it was at a time of high colonialism around the world. So there were many, the great powers would have been supportive of this. They just wanted to be in control. And that's why the Zionist movement launched a terrorist campaign. against the British mandate authorities, but one of the, I think one of the other major intellectual forces who looms large in Israel today, who employed Netanyahu's father, Benjamin Milikovsky, in New York, was Zev Jabotinsky, the father of revisionist Zionism. And if you read his seminal essay, The Iron Wall, which Israel's first prime minister,

who was a labor Zionist, sort of more socialist-oriented Zionist, actually adopted, what Jabotinsky openly says in that essay is, the native population has always resisted colonialism. Just look at what's happening in Africa. Look at the Native Americans. He didn't call them Palestinians,

but the Arabs will resist us as well. And the only way that we can build a Jewish state is with an iron wall of bullets and bayonets. And so many Israeli leaders, Moshe Dayan, for example, in a famous speech at the Gaza border in 1953, said the same thing, Moshe Dayan said, we cannot build, we cannot plow a field or build a home without the steel helmet or the automatic cannon. So this is just a straightforward colonial mentality,

and it's playing out at a time of post-colonialism throughout the world, when post-colonial countries like China are rising to global superpower status. It's so Israel's completely anachronistic, and they're wondering why everyone is disgusted by what they're doing. Everyone hates them, and it's because they belong to another much worse era. And the only thing holding them up is Washington, and its continuous supply, its airbridge of baby buster bombs. Yeah.

Yeah, and well, and that is why the kind of the control of the American propaganda machine has always been so important to the Zionist cause because that's really what it's really what it comes down to. And so that's maybe that's a good transition into what we were going to talk about today, which of course is the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the reporting that you've done since then on what exactly the relationship between Charlie Kirk and the Israeli government and the broader kind of Israel lobby and Zionist influencer class. And this is a very interesting topic to me.

I, you know, was somewhat involved in a lot of these in the center of what the controversy was about, although I do think it was more about Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly than it was about me. But so, you know, well, it's just, it seemed like that did. Although, you know, I think for a while, there were a lot of people who were actually pretty pissed off about me being there.

And I think in some ways, because I'm not nearly as big a name, particularly in, like, right-wing or, like, Republican turning point type events. But I'm not nearly as big, a high-profile figure as Tucker Carlson or Megan Kelly. And so me being there, I always thought was more of, it demonstrated more of a choice on Charlie's part. Like, he didn't have to have me there. Whereas, like, Tucker Carlson, I mean, if you can get him at Turning Point USA, how are you not going to have the biggest right-wing voice in America there?

But anyway, let me ask you like the broadest of questions that you could kind of take in whatever direction you want to. With the whole Charlie Kirk thing and the reporting that you've been doing on it, where are you right now? Like, what do you think the story is here? What do you think is important for people to understand about this? Well, I'm working on a new story and it's pretty much along the same lines as all the other stories I've been reporting, which is that, you know, in the days and weeks, before his death, Charlie Kirk was facing not just increasing Zionist pressure as the date approached of his first appearance on his campus-wide cross-country tour, but that actually he was bleeding Zionist donations. And I got the name of a major donor who apparently pulled out.

I haven't dropped a piece yet, so I don't want to sell it out, but I just got to him on the phone and he hung up on me when I asked him about it. So it seems like there's a there and that they were pretty upset at Charlie Kirk because there's no space for allowing comic Dave Smith on stage four debate. There's no space for debate on this issue. It doesn't matter what the purpose of the debate is. It's like how they say there should be no daylight between the United States and Israel. Charlie Kirk was allowing daylight. Everything I reported it is backed up by public statements by Charlie Kirk and now by someone who had positioned himself as his personal Israeli handler.

He's a guy named Rabbi Pesahua Liki. I don't know if you've heard of them. He's from a group called Israel 365 Action, which is apparently funded by the phallic family of duty-free America who sponsored the settlement, illegal settlement enterprise in the West Bank, real hardliners. He's also close to Regent University, which is funded by Pat Robertson. And he's one of these rabbis that, like, his job is to groom Christians in the United States to support Israel and to support them as much as possible.

I got some documents that he had been sending to. His group had been sending to conservative influencers offering them, like, free tours of Israel, biblical sites, going to Gaza, the Gaza border, et cetera. And he actually is given a series of interviews where he said that he was talking to Charlie Kirk almost every day leading up to his tour and giving him talking. talking points and that they were kind of having an argument. There was a running argument and that Charlie Kirk, he said, was believing a lot of things he heard in the media and that there were people close to him who were pushing him to be more anti-Israel and that they spoke like almost

like the day before his Utah Valley University fateful speech where he was horrifically killed. There were also all these Zoom meetings leading up to Charlie Kirk's final, in Charlie Kirk's final days that I learned about, including with Joshua Hammer, this really charismatic figure that you debated. You know, I don't know how you stood up to that. Just blizzard of facts. But he's one of Netanyahu's young voices in the media, a Newsweek editor, Sean McGuire, who's emerging as sort of like this junior Bill Ackman figure who's a venture capitalist,

very close to Elon, owns a house in Israel. he was on the Zoom call. He actually deleted a tweet where he mentioned the Zoom call, which is interesting. So Charlie Kirk was just under constant pressure and just imagine having like this cabal of representing a sort of niche movement

that is giving you enormous amounts of money and offering you more in order to say what they want, just constantly calling you. Rabbi Wolicki said they were planning to set up a WhatsApp group to feed Charlie talking points throughout his tour. And they said they were very worried because people were asking him about Gaza and the genocide. And they didn't want him to go off script. But just imagine having those people in your ear all the time, just constantly managing you. And that's what this Hampton's

influencer retreat was as well that I had exposed. I broke that story. I mean, there were a lot of people kind of, there were rumors going around about it. And Bill Ackman, who's one of the biggest pro Netanyahu money men in the country, this investor who's worth $9 billion, sort of convened the meeting in coordination with Charlie Kirk, and what Ackman's agenda was there, and I think there was a larger agenda with deeper forces that were sort of embedding themselves into TPSA as entities like the Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire failed. What they wanted to do is basically buy impressions for Israel. So they were called. cultivating all of these young influencers to go to Israel, to say whatever Israel wanted.

I mean, just go to the Instagram page right now of Xavier de Rousseau of Prager You, which is like an Israeli, I consider it basically an Israeli cutout. Like Marissa Strait, who runs that is a veteran of Israel's cyber spying division, Unit 8200. And she's supposed to be like creating the next generation of America first. But go to this guy's Instagram page. Like every subject, this is a young black man from Louisiana. Every subject is like Zionism, Israel.

It's obvious what he's doing. He's like a paid actor. He's a talented paid actor. He's a paid actor for these Zionist billionaires. And so they were trying to groom more and like bring in like attractive women. Anything that will keep the collapse, the looming collapse of Israel's standing within the conservative movement from finally taking place. And where Charlie Kirk was, was not where we are. He was sort of, I mean, I look at him and I've been following him for 10 years.

He's like a natural-born political operative. And all he thinks about is politics and votes and getting out the vote in districts and networking, doing media. He's very good at it. I don't agree with anything he said, but he's good at that. And all of a sudden there's this grassroots. revolt among young conservatives on Israel and he faces the Groyper wars and nobody's like very few of them support it except for the Jewish conservatives who are like only seven or eight percent

of American Jews even vote Republicans. So they're in the minority. But they have more money than I mean, they command billions of dollars. So he has to answer to them and the conservative grassroots at the same time. And he's stuck in the middle in an impossible position and he couldn't bridge the divide and you know he's constantly on camera too and sometimes he would just go off script and start saying the things he would hear from his friends and the things he was feeling and he may have actually been disgusted by what he was seeing in Gaza he certainly was opposed to the Iran war and you know my reporting that he was actually going up in the White House and lobbying Trump and others against attacking Iran which it was like totally forbidden has been corroborated by

J.D. Vance himself. So what really seemed to upset Charlie Kirk wasn't, though, like maybe the same things that upset us about this issue. It was that this coterie or cabal of billionaires who really seem only concerned with the fate of a foreign country was telling him what to do in his own country when he was supposed to be the face and voice of America first. And that was driving him crazy in his final days. So look at the reaction right now. I mean, look at the reaction. Candice Owens went live like a half hour after I dropped my piece and provided additional details and gave, you know, a really stirring narrative about the influencer summit based on what she knew. And she is the target of like a tsunami of attacks all from those very same forces. They're

trying to totally destroy her. They're trying to wipe her off the map the same way they're wiping Gaza off the map. They're overreacting because they can see the writing on the wall. Candace Owens, look at her engagement. I mean, hundreds of thousands of views when she goes live, then millions and millions more. Everyone's the conservative youth, but the whole, like, young people across the country are hanging on her every word. Nobody cares what Ben Shapiro has to say.

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other guys was that he had to keep dealing with the young people like that was his whole job and not just that he had to deal with them, but he had to keep young activists on board to volunteer. These are like the true believers, you know, in a cause. These aren't, you know, grand operatives. And you got to do this with a demographic where support for it. I mean, it's like, I don't know what other thing I could even compare it to. You know, I think maybe for people who are a little bit younger, maybe you can't appreciate this because things have changed so much with like the rise of wokeism and the LGBTQ stuff.

But like gay marriage, I guess I kind of, for like a while in the country, gay marriage was kind of a controversial issue. And then the pro gay marriage side just won out. Like it just went from being like a like a divisive 50-50 issue to being an issue where it was like 80, 20. It was like everyone's just like, dude, no one cares. Like let gay people get married. Who cares? And no, that may have changed after, you know, the decade that followed.

But, you know, it's an issue where like young people, I mean, Megan Kelly yourself said the other days, you had no one under 30 supports Israel like it's it's basically it just does so he's in this terrible place and his whole job like you said is to keep the big tent going the big tent that can win in November but there is no tent big enough if it doesn't include Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly I mean like if you have to you know it's one thing for him to say I have to exclude Nick Fuentes but to have to exclude Tucker Carlson well then where's the there is no tent left you're to and people like Ben Shapiro, he can, he's removed. He's in his studio. He's still got, you know, his backers and his operation. He doesn't have to necessarily engage with the fact that, say, on Twitter, everybody's

calling him out for what the obvious, you know, the foreign spy that he is. But Charlie Kirk had to, Charlie Kirk had to go to these events. So he had to find a way. And I think you could, you could see it all over them. And I don't mean this. I'm not adding anything. You know, I told you, I gave the audience the information I had, which is just that basically he told me, we don't actually disagree that much on this topic but i could see everyone could see in his public appearances the struggle in this dynamic and then it became this thing that like it reinforced itself so he would go okay well i got to keep this together somehow how maybe i moderate a debate on the subject uh then i can still present myself to my young activists as i'm the guy who's

willing to have this debate right to the zion as donors that was way too far and so now they're furious at him. And as you know well, Max, I'm sure you experienced this quite a bit in your career. I've experienced this quite a bit myself. There is something, some personality trait or characteristic to the ultra-hardcore Zionists that for whatever reason, when you start drifting a little bit, they don't go, hey, I get your point and I see why you're asking these questions and the shore is a complicated issue. Let's come back here. When you start drifting this much, they go, you're Adolf Hitler. Yep. And you go, wait, wait, what?

I'm Adolf Hitler? Like, no, I'm like just drift in. And then it just has this effect of pushing a lot of people further and further. It pushes some of them to say, you know what, I am Adolf Hitler, which I don't think is the best response. But it just, and you could see Charlie was dealing with that already. It's what, it's one of the things that really backs up your reporting, I think, that really, because Bill Ackman's coming out, go, no, what are you talking about, Josh Hammer, all these guys? It was the friendliest of meetings. Yeah, right.

It's like, okay, well, 48 hours later or something like that, he's on with Megan Kelly. And like, it doesn't seem like that's the vibe that he's describing, you know? Yeah, you should, you know, edit in that clip right now just to illustrate your point. I mean, he was complaining about stakeholders and donors giving him less space to criticize Israel than Israelis. And he seemed just visibly agonized. This is, you know, what Charlie Kirk is dealing with is, He's a Protestant coming from a very different cultural environment than a lot of the Jewish Likudniks he was dealing with. And what they deal with is like when their kids, if they start to question Israel, they get smacked down so hard in their own families.

I was lucky, like my own, at least my nuclear family, they're not Zionists. And they understood why I was disgusted by the whole thing. So I never faced that. And there's just a, you know, it's a different culture when you grow up in like this hermetically sealed communal Jewish world. There's no space on the Israel issue unless you're like ultra-Orthodox in Satmar. And so they projected that on to Charlie Kirk. And he was from what I heard from people who knew him was he was shocked by the way that they would speak to him just by the rudeness of it. but that's the way they were spoken to about the issue.

And their entire identity focuses around this one pillar because you know, you're American, you're Jewish, you know, it's a secular society, you're a minority, you know, very easy to intermarry, but there's always this Israel. And that's something that you can just easily wave an Israeli flag and denounce the Palestinians and you'll be recognized by your community as a good Jew. And if you give a lot of money, you can actually be considered a mocker, like a big guy. So that's how they saw it.

And I don't think Charlie Kirk fully understood that. So he was getting alienated by them. I mean, there were also these rumors that he was converting to Catholicism. Now, what I do know is he was attending or what I have heard from people who even were in this Catholic church was that he, I believe was in Phoenix. he was actually attending Catholic Mass, or he had attended Catholic Mass. So we can kind of leave it there. But if he had converted to Catholicism, that would have been a big blow to Zionism as well because you're basically abandoning Christian Zionism in this concept of Israel as covenant land,

the idea of the Jews as a chosen people to fulfill various dispensation. in order to reach the day of revelation. I mean, it's all gone. So they're threatened by that. There's a lot of attacks on Candace Owens for mentioning that. But this seems to have been a reality that he was dealing with. And we'll never know where he would have landed and how it would have ended up. But had he landed in a different place, he would have lost a lot of money, a lot of money.

And I've been hearing from a number of people I never thought I would ever meet in my life on the right who are in right-wing media who were kind of moved by what I wrote because they understood they kind of they resonated with them because they were having a similar experience where they're working in right-wing or Trump-adjacent media organizations and everything's going fine and then all a sudden they start questioning Israel and their boss starts freaking out either because the boss themselves is afraid or because the boss themselves is a Zionist and then they realize there's someone in the office who just seems to only represent Israel and they don't know why they're there. And, you know, one person I can point to, just because this is played out publicly,

is Tim Poole. I'm sure you've been on his show. I've been on the show. Like, I found him, I was on his show like right after October 7th. And he was pretty open-minded about the whole thing. He let me speak my mind. I didn't really feel like I was being shut down. And he gets an invitation to meet with Netanyahu, I believe in the first of the four trips that Netanyahu took in recent months. And they meet at Blair House outside the White House. There's a small group of conservative influencers. And it's Chatham House rules. No one's allowed to come out of that meeting with any details. You're not allowed to say what happened. And you're meeting with someone who's like, involved in the worst war crimes we have ever witnessed, who's presiding over a Holocaust.

And you're not allowed to ask a tough question. And then Tim Poole goes back to his studio and no one's supposed to ask him about it but i think someone did ask him about it on air and like you could see he was like a deer in the headlights and that you know so so basically when you get involved in conservative media you don't know it but you can't really i mean almost no one can question this because of where the money is coming from and if you actually get involved directly like you start going to these influencer summits with Bill Ackman and then you take the trip to Israel and you kiss the wall and all that. It's like joining the firm, the firm, you know, the early 90s book by John Grisham, where it's like you get in a law firm and if you leave, you know, you learn certain

secrets and if you leave, it doesn't work out too well for you. And you know, Charlie Kirk was in the firm. Dude, what happens? I got to ask you, right, because like I have somewhat famously never to Israel. I did, after that, I did get the invite, which I turned down. I was told this came from the top that I was invited there. And I was like, no, I'm not going. I don't know what it is you guys do and what these, you have to come to Israel trips are. But I'm not going over there. I'm not doing any of this. I've just, I've read too much about this. And I don't want to go take a picture crying in front of your wall. And I don't want to come back to my hotel and find three people are already inside it or like things have been rearranged to intimidate me like no i'm not doing this but

from your understanding or and you've been there many times what is it that they do to these guys on these trips why do they always want people to come to israel and what is it that happens on these trips well first this is our first time talking so i would say i would really urge you to go just fly in there fly to bengarian international airport get out and just see it as a as a as a tourist and then go to Jerusalem, go to East Jerusalem, see how Palestinians live. You can just walk right in there. And I can tell you what bus to take from there for $2 into Ramallah, and you'll go through the apartheid wall, and then you'll be in occupied Palestinian territory, and you can just

see it all for yourself. And I really recommend everyone do that. And there are various ways to make contact with local activists and NGOs, you know, even breaking the silence, the former Israeli. soldiers, NGO, will take you on a tour of occupied Hebron in the West Bank and show you how they, what they had to do there as soldiers. And I think that's all you really need to see to understand apartheid is to go to H2 and Hebron, which is an entire part of a Palestinian city that has been sectioned off for some of the most fanatical genocidal settlers in Shahada

street, which goes through the middle of H2, is a Jews-only street. There are actually signs that tell you where Palestinians can walk and where Jews can walk. And you can go there and see that yourself. And you can talk to the soldiers who are there on duty. And they don't actually, like many of them, don't like the settlers. And they're really bored and annoyed by the whole thing. But they're just following orders to participate in this genocidal project. So I think it's like once you see that and you see apartheid for yourself, it really does give you an important authority that I think someone with your communication gifts should get. So if there's any way I can help, let me know. And everyone watching this, you should be encouraged to do that. Those who go on the APAC trips,

which all freshman members of Congress get invited on, do not have that experience. And I personally had a similar experience because I went on birthright Israel when I was much younger and was just starting to explore this issue and sort of was I would characterize my mentality at that point in my life when I was 22 years old as liberal Zionist. After returning, I shifted permanently against Zionism because I started paying closer attention to what was happening. The second intifada began. But we were like wind and dined. There was very little sleep. It was like an electric experience. There was so much group camaraderie. On the birthright trip, it's also this gigantic sex vacation. They're encouraging as much sex as possible because then you'll associate Israel with

eros with eroticism, but also they want to encourage generational continuity because, you know, as Jews, we don't go and convert other people. We only multiply through procreation and marriage. and it really like they openly encourage you to get drunk and push you into like party spaces i did a i did a video about this called i think it's called zayawanna for the real news network where i went back and covered as a journalist a birthright mega event that nettingahu spoke to all the big billionaire donors were there um um what's his name michael steinhardt who's one of the biggest Zionist donors in the U.S. told me, I said, you know, do you want them all to get married?

Is that why you're doing this? And he said, not just married, they should just have it, do it tonight. Like, get him in bed tonight. It was, like, sick. And then they literally push him into a nightclub setting. And, like, some of the soldiers are, like, there, like, young, attractive female and male soldiers will start dancing with them. And, like, I would see that take place.

I like the last night of my birthright trip I was like exhausted and I woke up and like there was a knock on my door and a young woman had just come to the door from who had never met before and she was just like offering herself up and I mean you know people maybe some people watching this will laugh at me but I just shut the door and went back to sleep I woke up later that night my roommate was on the balcony looking out over the dome of the rock getting a hand job I'm like, what the hell is going on here? And, you know, the freshman members of Congress, there's like a famous story or infamous story that I think even Politico reported where they all got so drunk in Tiberius at Lake Tiberius, in Tiberius, the city of Tiberius in northern Israel, that they took off their clothes and at least one member of Congress took off his clothes, Ben Quayle, who was the son of former Vice President Dan Quayl and jumped into the Sea of Galilee. and they just had this drunken kind of like midnight swim that's what they're doing to them as well and then you know a lot of them are like used car salesmen from suburban Texas who could have never gone to Israel who have these Christian Zionist biblical beliefs and they believe and they're taken on a free trip to see the land of the Bible Palestinians don't even exist in their mind they see Muslims as terrorists so Jim Jordan is one of them.

of them. And my friend Liam Cosgrove from Zero. I know Liam. Yeah, yeah. He was interviewing Jim Jordan. I just was like standing next to him while he was interviewing him at this kind of like weird conservative press gaggle where like young members of, different Republican members of Congress could engage with different conservative media outlets. And I was kind of tagging along waiting for Randy fine to walk in. Anyway, he asked Jim Jordan about his support for Israel, and Jim Jordan says, Israel is above all other issues.

It's not a political issue. It's a spiritual issue. And there's no criticism allowed. I've been there six times, and I'm looking forward to going again, and there is no questioning the alliance with Israel. And so that's how I think the Republican members of Congress see it. Then for the Democrats, it's like,

it's becoming uncomfortable for them. A lot of them aren't going on on these trips. But you have Democrats like Wesley Bell who are basically just paid tools of APAC. And if they refuse to go, they're out of Congress. Like Wesley Bell was brought into Congress specifically to destroy Cory Bush because she was taking up the mantle of the Palestinian cause. And APAC spent like $12 million to get this backbencher, St. Louis Alderman into Congress with Super Bowl-style acts. ads. None of the ads, by the way, had anything to do with Israel. They set up these stealth packs, like Americans for democracy and fairness. And Cory Bush voted against Joe Biden's

supplemental bill on the, you know, it's all like, and it's all that. So they did, they just have to go. And then it's like a humiliation ritual for them, where they have to go to the wall and they have to go to the Gaza border. And I mean, did you see the picture that the Democrats or or various senators took with Netanyahu. And Corey Booker, you can just see his forehead behind someone. Because Netanyahu owns him. Corey Booker, his whole career is sponsored by Zionist billionaires. And he had to be in that picture, but you could tell he didn't want to show his face.

So that's the Democrats. But yeah, on these trips, the other thing that happens on these trips for lawmakers is they're all under surveillance. Like their hotel rooms are surveilled. Everything is being watched in Israel's gathering tons of intelligence on, the U.S. government through them. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Masa chips. Did you know that all chips and fries used to be cooked in tallow up until the 1990s when

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and you'll get 25% off your first order. That's M-A-Chips.com slash Dave. promo code Dave for 25% off your first order. All right, let's get back into the show. Yeah, yeah, it is something. I mean, it's, you know, part of the dynamic with all of this is just that now that kind of the corporate media has just been, you know, kind of destroyed in the marketplace, like we're, and particularly young people are just not getting their news from corporate media

outlets. It's almost, it's, it's, there's this interesting dynamic where Israel, the Israeli lobby, it was always like the third rail of American politics. But once you get into this new decentralized media and they don't have that control and you're just allowed to talk about this and even some people could argue against it, it's just too bizarre for people to not see it. Like it's so freaking weird. I mean, I remember even being struck by, so I was reading your piece or was it your piece

or was it your piece or was someone else at the gray zone? I think it was yours. but where you were um it was a piece about charlie kirk and and the meeting in the hamptons and you ran a picture of um the guy who you just mentioned i'm sorry the davier de rousseau yes him and it was and one of the one of the girls who it's yeah emily wilson is it Emily well yeah i think i debated her on pierce morgan one which was you know like literally if i'm remembering this correctly i think her big thing to me we're like debating on pierce morgan which i'm be confusing her with someone else but i think it was her and she was like well you know egypt occupied

gaza and jordan occupied the west bank and i don't hear you criticizing them why is that and i was like well primarily because it ended in 1967 and she's like okay like it's just like the most just ridiculous guy but anyway but so it's a picture of the two of them and it's them in that they post online in bridge hampton at the time of this meeting which people don't know i think is about a half hour away from East Hampton. It's like another one of those fancy schmancy towns. And they're like at this posh hotel. They're kind of taking these glamour shots. And even just that, I'm like, what is this? Like, what is this? I thought, are you in the, in the business of like we talk about politics? Like, do you have deep convictions about issues of policy that you believe in because

you have like a worldview and principles or like, or are you like an Instagram 20 year old chick taking like bikini pictures like what like i'm just saying like you know like when i go to like i got a lot of friends you know in in broadly speaking our camp in this world if i if i go to austin texas like i might meet up with scott horton and grab a steak but like we're going to grab dinner and talk we're not like let's go take pictures of us posing outside like it's just just seems like such a bizarre thing there's like this bizarre cultural um dynamic amongst the crazy pro zionists influencers it's like they're just like in a different world playing a different game than those of us who are just talking about issues

that matter well it's creepy i mean they're actors they sort of were like a lot of them were basically on bill acman's casting couch and they have no principles they're vapid and you know some of them i feel sorry for them because they're they're coming from a lot less privilege and therefore this is like a big opportunity for them to move up in class by getting basically Jewish billionaire money to shill for Israel. That's where the black influencers come in. And there is a major component of this wealthy, right-wing, racist Jews buying black people to do their bidding.

Bill Ackman was part of a WhatsApp group of 50. I mean, it sounds like an anti-Semitic conspiracy. or like something, you know, a film commissioned by Joseph Goebbels. But Bill Ackman was part of a WhatsApp group of 50 Zionist billionaires who were planning basically operations after October 7th to stop student activism, specifically at Columbia University against the genocide. And one of their major action items on their agenda was paying black personalities, public figures to do what they wanted,

to speak against Palestine solidarity activism. And so that's why you see such a disproportionate number of black influencers at that Hampton Summit, along with the attractive women that they can get there. Emily Wilson was previously critical of Israel. She said so publicly, like there are tweets screenshoting what she said before Bill Ackman got to her. Afterwards, she was on her way to Israel

to kiss the wall on Xavier de Rousseau, sent to a Gaza humanitarian foundation, or I would call them Gaza Holocaust facilitator aid hub in Gaza, where he mocked the population for starving and claimed that Hamas was eating all the ramen, and that's why Hamas leaders were taking Ozzympic. And I mean, that's what he was being paid to do. So this is the future of pro-Israel media. It's just basically prostitutes being paid by Zionist billionaires. And why are they doing it? They're afraid. that white and black Christian men from military communities, basically communities where the military is one of the only options to be able to pay for college or move up

in class. And so they join in very high numbers. Also Latino males who voted for Trump in record numbers that they will not support Israel and therefore they will not fight Israel. wars. And so they need to keep them mobilized and motivated. Once they start questioning a ground war in Iran, that could be a big problem. So that's the long-term agenda here. And it's all paid for. It's all bought and paid for, which alienates people and it fuels anti-Semitism. It really looks like some kind of anti-Semitic conspiracy playing out. It's not good for the Jews.

We're like 3% of the population. And you have this billionaire class that so many Jews I know despise. I hate them. And they are basically ruling through fear, intimidation, manipulation, and bribery against the wishes of a majority, increasingly a majority of the population. and like we're being used as Jews, all Jews, as a human shield for them and for Netanyahu. Yeah, 100%. And I mean, you can't, it's amazing to watch it play out too. And that there, you know, there's not like I hear from, say, people in the Jewish community

who are not exactly thrilled with my views on Israel or some of the stuff I've publicly said over the last few years. And they'll talk, you know, um, They'll talk about the threat of anti-Semitism and the spike in anti-Semitism over the last couple years. And I'll just say, I'll be like, okay, so just even from your worldview, do you think that's a coincidence that it's spiked in the last two years? Like, might this have something to do with what Israel is doing to these poor, helpless, captive people? Like, I mean, how can you defend? These are people who don't have an army to defend them, don't have a state of their own, that they've been denied by the Israeli government,

And now you're just slaughtering them. I mean, how can you def? And it's almost just out of self-preservation, you would think that, like, so many of these Jews would wake up and go, oh, yeah, this is going to like, you know, it's some sick self-fulfilling prophecy where, yeah, you are actually going to create a situation where it's unsafe for Jewish people. And you've already created a situation that's very unsafe for the Palestinians. Like, what are we doing here? I do.

So let me say, praise it like this. Because I do think something like, to me, with the Charlie Kirk thing, there's almost like, there's three areas that I kind of separate here where there's the really interesting stuff that we've been talking about, which is like what exactly was going on with Charlie Kirk? Like, where was he in the, you know, look, Charlie Kirk, like I said on my show the other day, I said, at the very least, he wasn't Ben Shapiro. You know, people are acting like he was just Ben Shapiro and that's it. And it's like, well, Ben Shapiro ain't hosting me and moderating a debate between me and someone else. He's not hosting Tucker and Megan Kelly. So, like, clearly there was this battle. He had, so that's a very interesting component, particularly because, you know, the Netanyahu and they're all trying to use his death already.

And so if they want to play that card, it's like, well, let's actually have a very interesting discussion about what it was like to be someone who was trying to corral young people and tow the Zionist line over the last few months. Then there's also the, which, you know, I'm sure both of us will talk about going forward. It's like how this is going to be weaponized and used. And I'm not just talking about like the Jimmy Kimmel stuff, but I'm talking about Pam Bondi talking about how this is proof. We need to fight hate speech like anti-Semitism, like, aka the pro-Palestinian left-winger now need to be cracked down on. So we'll see what happens with that.

But then there's the other component of it, which I do want to ask you about before we're out of time, which is just the actual assassination itself now i have been battling a bit even with my own audience at time here where i've been just saying for the whole week that like a lot of people are jumping on this israel did it theory and i'm like look guys there really just is no evidence for this and we don't want to all come off like cooks and kind of you know like partially just on the face of it i don't want to promote something that's untrue i don't want people to believe something that's not true. And then right after that, you're like, guys, let's not discredit the entire critical of Israel movement by doing what it seems to me that a majority of the internet is doing,

which is just jumping on this thing because that's the conclusion they prefer. But then there is also another component, which is like there are some legitimate questions about the actual event, which are like, I've had a few different things that have raised my eyebrows while reading it. So in terms of the actual assassination, do you, I mean, I know you said in your article, there's no evidence to suggest Israel is behind this. What are your thoughts on that, the people who are jumping on board with that conspiracy, and anything that is an oddity to you about the actual assassination? Well, yeah, I've said that in multiple interviews, too, that I don't have any evidence that of an Israeli government or Israeli role in Charlie Kirk's killing. I stick to the facts. that's why i'm still here um the reason that people that this resonates the idea that israel

played a role resonates is netanyahu himself and israel in general maintain power through lying manipulation intimidation and assassination especially assassination and netton yahoo rose to power after the killing of yitzhak rabin his main political rival and leah rabin's wife said nettonyahu incited his murder. Netanyahu marched in front of a mock coffin that said Rabin on it just days before the murder. I mean, and then Netanyahu's coalition partners, Ben Gavir, et cetera, they are like the spiritual heirs of Yigal Amir who assassinated Rabin. So this is like Netanyahu's ammo. He just tried to assassinate the entire negotiating team of Hamas inside a U.S. ally. And Israel has global assassination squads. But, you know, what they were.

would have done and what they were planning to do and you could already see laura loomer rolling out the campaign was to character assassinate charlie kirk if he continued to go off message that's what they do that's what they did to me and uh you know if i got like an op-ed in the new york times not that i would want to um they would try to destroy my reputation that's what they're doing to kandis owens like i don't believe they're going to send a sniper to to take out kandis owens but i hope she has good security because maybe they want to inspire some vigilante or something. But it's not like the Mossad's MO to go inside a U.S. ally and do this. At the same time, there's another reason why people are spinning out their own theories. And I don't want to attack these people

actually. I think people should be asking questions. We are not witnessing a credible investigation into Charlie Kurt's killing. Starting with the text messages, the exchange between this shooter, Tyler Robinson and his supposed furry trans lover roommate, they read like something written by a 65-year-old federal law enforcement officer. That's true.

The words being used are something I've never heard 22-year-old people using, even as a Gen X or when I was 22, nobody said, I'm going to retrieve the weapon from the vehicle and leave it at the drop point. Andrew Colvitt yesterday declaring that there's no exit wound because Charlie Kirk had a spine of steel. That doesn't inspire confidence.

He's told that by the ER doctor. And shouldn't the ER doctor be telling the media or the FBI should be telling the media that that's why there's no exit wound? Why are we learning that from basically the spokesman for Charlie Kirk? It also was like a, it did have a very like ghost of Kiev type. feel to the story like i'm sure that makes some people feel nice but could we get back to what's plausibly real and not just like these made up stories but yes i agree now we're hearing it was a world war one era i think i guess mouser rifle and it so it therefore it didn't have a serial number

unusual the removal of the camera from behind charlie kirk again this isn't this is like what people are talking about this is what the internet's talking about i'm not just like trying to present to you the the theory of the crime. But a staffer for TPSA removed a camera that was filming behind Charlie Kirk, which would provide a lot of, I think, visual context on where the shot came from and remove the SD cards. And Andrew Colvitt goes out and says, he did the right thing in the middle of a crime scene to remove the SD cards.

And the FBI has the footage, but he's someone who loved Charlie Kirk. I don't know what the FBI is. saying about this. There are so many other odd issues here. The photo of Tyler Robinson at the Dairy Queen 15 minutes after the shooting. The comments by federal law enforcement that Tyler Robinson took one minute on the roof to carry out this operation, which I think would be difficult to do even for a professional sniper. And the jerking of Charlie Kirk's head, I guess he's hit, according to the, I guess the official version is he's hit from the front on the left side of his neck, but his head jerks that way.

And so many people are formulating the theory that he was actually shot from behind to his right. And so we're at a point where anyone who's paying attention, who's paying close attention, who isn't like invested in the TPUSA MAGA franchise is not going to believe the official story at this point. And there have just been so many failures on the part of Cash Patel and the FBI as well. So the theories are going to continue to abound. And some of them will focus on Israel. And it really doesn't help to have Netanyahu go out twice, first on Newsmax, which is a vehicle for Israeli influence, taking money from the Israeli foreign ministry. And then on his own personal prime minister channel to deny killing Charlie Kirk. Like, when have you ever seen a form?

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involved in the assassination. I wouldn't be honest if I didn't admit. that I do in some way think that they deserve this presumption of guilt that they're getting. And I do think you're absolutely right, particularly coming off of the heels of which, by the way, you know, ironically was the topic that got all these Zionist donors so mad at Charlie Kirk at the event was that Megan and Tucker were talking about the Trump administration burying the Epstein stuff. And off the heels of that cover up, it's like this administration, this FBI, this Justice Department, just have no credibility.

amongst, you know, their voters, that if this was, if Israel was involved in this, nobody has confidence that they would actually get to the bottom of it and tell the truth. And, you know, look, to be clear, I don't think any of us should jump to any conclusions. And like you said, sticking to the facts, that's the best course of action here. Can I make one other point? Sure, sure, sure. Absolutely. Let me just quickly say that.

I certainly am not telling anybody to stop asking questions or to stop investigating or stop being suspicious. So that's always healthy. But yes, final point to you and then I'll let you go. Yeah, I mean, feel free to do your own research. Well, I would accept that Tyler Robinson could have done this alone and that he could have been motivated by Charlie Kirk's anti-trans commentary, that this was some kind of trans shooting. Like there and there could have been, a component of mental illness there as well. I can accept that. But does that mean that Tyler Robinson is a leftist if he was on some of these weird nihilistic discord channels, which are themselves penetrated or at least surveilled by federal law enforcement?

Was he a leftist or was he a Democrat or a progressive? If they could show that he was at no king's rallies holding up signs like calling Trump a pedophile, or something. Then I'd be like, all right, well, there it is. And like, you know, the no king's rallies went too far, you know, run with it. But the narrative is already set. The narrative is to, and this is what the Trump administration has been trying to do all along is keep the United States in a perpetual state of emergency in order to expand the power of the executive and the surveillance state and Palantir to surveil us, control us, and consolidate the power of his. is very narrow sectarian movement.

And this is the perfect opportunity for them to do it. And we have to be, so we have to be very aware of what's going on and question not just the official story, but who Tyler Robinson really was. Because when Charlie Kirk was shot at Utah Valley University, he was being protested by a group of progressive students. One was holding up a sign that said Free Palestine. Another one had like a pro-LGBQ sign. another had a sign, you know, maybe denouncing Charlie Kirk's comments on race or something.

And they were interviewed by a pro-Trump videographer. I just watched this. I'll tweet the video out later. And he was challenging them and they said, we don't hate anyone here. You know, we still love them. We just disagree with them and think they're being misled. Then he starts challenging them on Palestine and Hamas. they condemned political violence immediately they said we just don't think like we just are like

we want to debate this that's really like the progressive left as I understand it they're not really um not going to get on a roof and with a sniper rifle and settle things that way they're waiting for the next midterm election yeah and that's who is being implicated as the killer is here uh we're talking about like 50% of the country That's who Trump is implicated. They want the civil war. They want to pit us against each other because what does Palantir's CEO Alex Karp describe as his business model? It's preventing social unrest from affecting or disrupting the lives of the 1% who sponsors him.

That's what he openly says. So let's be level-headed here. Let's not get carried away and let's be strategic. the most threatening thing right now is not, is unity against those forces of surveillance of apartheid, of genocide, of authoritarian control of the United States, and the profiting from surveillance that Palantir represents. So I think that's another reason why it's important to question, not. just the official story but the direction that this assassination is being taken and it's also why it's

so threat why someone like candace owens is so threatening to the right is because she's making it more difficult for them to just simply pin this on the left conveniently and then take away our civil liberties yeah yeah that's right that's exactly right and that's always i mean that's always their uh their their go-to i mean the democrats would do it too if like someone had You know, shot Biden. They would have shut down Elon's Twitter X, you know? Yeah, yeah. And the truth is that, you know, every day Sean Hannity says the far left, Nancy Pelosi

or whatever, and then that's supposed to mean 50% of the country is the left and the other 50% is the right, as if they're all the same thing, as if Hillary Clinton and your liberal mom and some 20-year-old gender studies major are all the same thing or something, When really the dynamic is always that Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell are the same thing and that actually they are your enemy and your fellow countrymen are not. And they always want to make it so that you think your fellow countrymen are your enemy so that you don't focus on the fact that it's actually them. And it's the, like you said, the constant state of war, perpetual war, perpetual emergency

and perpetual support for Israel, which all seem to somewhat be interrelated. Absolutely. I mean, it's a strategy of tension that is. is taking hold right now. And I think, you know, we're in the double digits in this country of people who just are done with the duopoly, the corporate duopoly and are willing to put aside the culture war to actually have real change and basically unite against the 0.1% in the war state. But we don't have a vehicle and we're basically not allowed to run for in either party.

So we're just kind of out here in our podcast world. yeah no i think that's right but at the very least you know we have we've been given more of a level playing field than ever and part of the dynamic that we were talking about there with charlie kirk and that young people is that us and i say this very broadly but we've just been kicking their ass in the general debate and i mean that's just the bottom line like we just keep winning and they keep losing and support keeps because they're defending the indefensible and once you it's just like there's a reason why they rely on censorship and propaganda because their ideas can't really stand up.

But listen, we won in the marketplace of ideas. We won, so they're going to call it all hate speech. Right. And then leaving the only avenue political violence. So, I mean, we just want to debate. Yes, 100%. Max, thank you so much. Please, if you guys weren't already familiar with his work, make sure to go check out

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And I hope we get to do this again sometime soon. Thanks a lot for sure. Great meeting you. You too. All right. Thanks for listening, everybody. Catch you next time. Peace.