Part Of The Problem - Michael Malice

Episode Date: October 31, 2024

Dave Smith brings you the latest in politics! On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave is joined by Michael Malice to discuss his thoughts on the election, reflections on the past four years, tactics that both sides should be using to win, the influence of mainstream media vs. podcasts, and so much more.Part Of The Problem is available for early pre-release at https://partoftheproblem.com as well as an exclusive episode on Thursday!Support Our SponsorsKalshi - https://kalshi.com/daveMy Patriot Supply - https://www.preparewithsmith.com/Paint Your Life - Text PROBLEM to 87204 to get 20% offYoDelta - https://yodelta.com/ and use code GAS for 25% offGet your tickets to Porch Tour Herehttps://porchtour.comFind Run Your Mouth here:YouTube - http://youtube.com/@RunYourMouthiTunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/run-your-mouth-podcast/id1211469807Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4ka50RAKTxFTxbtyPP8AHmFollow the show on social media:X:http://x.com/ComicDaveSmithhttp://x.com/RobbieTheFireInstagram:http://instagram.com/theproblemdavesmithhttp://instagram.com/robbiethefire#libertarianSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We're under a week until election day. So I figured this was the perfect time. Of course, everybody listening already knows who Michael Malice is, but if you are the, if you don't just know you're alone, you're the only one, you're kind of a loser, but you're basically the Tom woods of the audience. You're the Tom woods of this. I also, by the way, just recorded a new Tom woods show episode yesterday. That should be out soon.

Also, that kind of election is that count as your community service? It's I was five years. I got to do it. I got to do it four times a year for five years. And then I get, and then it's a, my record is sparse. So I'm fine. Of course, Michael is a very successful author he's written books on North Korea on

The New Right wing in America on the history of communism Dear reader the new right and the white pill all three really fantastic and particularly I think I think the new right is going to be very relevant to the conversation we have today. Um, and the white pill too, to some degree. Um, not so much on the Korea stuff. Maybe we'll fit in some Korea stuff, but anyway, he's also host of your welcome. His phenomenal podcast, Michael Malice. How are you, sir? I'm, I'm actually beyond giddy and I'll tell you why. And this is a little bit of sidebar,

but like I actually shed a tear last night of joy Because there was this band I do you like music is this is there like some music that means a lot to you the same way that it means to me? Like some bands that are like this band is like holy shit. It's like something sacred almost sure sure Yeah, yeah, so there was this band that no one had heard of called Insta, right? The album came out in 2002. I absolutely love their album. They're so obscure that I wore their t-shirt on Rogan thinking people would be like, Oh cool. Not one person, not one. I'm not even kidding. Not one comment was like, Oh Insta, that band.

They came out of an earlier band called Alison's Halo, who are this 90s dream pop band, which is even genre most of you haven't heard of. Point being, they came up on my iPod randomly and I Googled them, and they're playing here Saturday. This 90s Arizona dream pop band is just playing at this barbecue place here on Saturday, and this music has meant so much to me over the years that I'm absolutely fucking giddy. And I'm bringing Winston Marshall

from formerly of Mumford and Sons, and no one knows who these people are. And I'm bringing the CDs for them to sign, and I have the shirt, and they're gonna be really freaked out, but I can't fucking wait. How big is the venue that they're playing? I mean, it's literally gonna be like,

it's a barbecue joint. Do you know what I mean? It's not big That's just what I'm so happy. Well, there's something that just is amazing to me about a band who's still doing it But they had it they weren't together for like they haven't performed like 20 years. I don't understand. I mean, yeah They're performing at a barbecue joint. I'm not saying they've never taken any vacation days I'm just saying that there's something amazing about like all these years later when there's no more dream, there's no more like maybe this turns into arenas. Somehow. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Impressive. A 20 year old playing in a barbecue joint isn't impressive because he's like, oh, maybe one day I'll be, you know, playing big venues, but there's something about at the end. Like I feel this way in comedy too, where sometimes you'll see a comic who's like in their sixties and it just never happened for them. And they're still getting up on a spot. And there's just something about that. You're like, Oh, it's just this really in a weird way. And I'm not saying a lot of times, those are sad stories, but it really proves that you're doing it for the love of the game on some

level because you know, there's no upside. That happened here in a dark way in Austin. I went to a club. I'm not going to say the name and there was a woman there and it was one of those, the hook of this night was, uh, it's like a gong show. So the hosts have a gong and then people in the audience have like a lighter. And if all three people with the lighter hold it up, uh kicked off the stage and I was using that lighter very comedically I was in front of the center and the some of the comics were just really like like genuinely like I'm confused why you're on stage bad. Like you're not even the funny one of your friends. I'm sure you've seen them

I'm sure everyone here has seen those type of comics and and I was messing with this one lady It was a very nice lady and I was her after, and she's like early 40s, and she moved here from New York to like make it happen in comedy. But it was the most generic, like I'm neurotic, I can't get laid stuff. And I'm talking to her and I'm being very friendly, but it's just like, what are you doing that's special? Like this band that no one's heard of, Alison's Halo, they did something very niche, like it was a unique kind of music, but it's like you're just doing

like sea level Chelsea Handler stuff. Like what is your path? And why does this matter to you? Why do you wanna be a dime store Chelsea Handler? Yeah, why does it matter to you? Because if you don't know the answer to that question, why would it matter to me? Right? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like what, you got to have something that's that separates you. Yeah. Well,

speaking of people who have something that separates them, this Donald Trump fella seems to be that's a transition right back into what are you? I'm very interested to kind of get your thoughts here. And of course you, uh, like, like me are, are an anarchist who believes in a stateless society. You've also, uh, where we're also pretty much seem to see eye to eye in general. You've been very, I wouldn't say you're a critic of voting, but a skeptic of voting. Sure. Yeah, that's better.

You wrote a piece in, what was it in the observer? The guardian. Oh, it was in the guardian. It was in that's right. A piece about like kind of why you don't vote. Does this, so anyway, you just have a kind of a different lens that you analyze these things through than, than your average, you know, person who's talking in this space. And I'm curious because I haven't really picked your brain about it. And you could go anywhere you want with this, but what do you think about this?

You know, we're coming down to the last week. This election cycle in many ways has been very different than anything we've ever lived through. It does, to some degree, feels like a logical continuation of where we've been going, but assassination, attempts, um, a candidate being forced to drop out a couple of months before the election, a candidate who didn't win a primary and doesn't seem to have a mind at all, uh, being the democratic nominee. What are you, you know, the mischievous, Michael Malice, what are you thinking as you watch all of this?

By the way, let's also point out that the president for the first time in history has been forced to not, um forced to not run again and the corporate press has just stopped never even pretended to ask why. Everyone kind of knows or can guess, but no one's like, okay, what were the steps that led you to this decision, Mr. President? Talk to us. This is history. No curiosity at all. It's just like, okay, like it's even if you can understand

why, okay, I'm a senior old freak. Okay. One day you're like, by God's gonna have to tear me off this oval office himself. The next day is like, yeah, I'm just gonna tweet out that I'm not running again. What changed? No curiosity at all.

So I mean, when people talk about truth to power and that the media is interested in finding and informing the voters and then the populace, zero evidence, it's all the evidence to the contrary. That's number one. Number two is, something that's personal to me, and I know to you, I was the guy who got Vivek to look into Ross Ulbricht. And Vivek was the one who got Trump to be like, okay, I'm going declare this at the libertarian convention the day one I'm freeing Ross. So I have a vested interest because you and I both know when it comes to politics Take whatever wins you can get. So if I have a little like with North Korea

We can shoe a hornet in if I had a little bit to do with getting people to stop thinking about it as a big Punchline and be like wait a minute If I had a little bit to do with getting people to stop thinking about it as a big punchline, I'd be like, wait a minute, this is a nightmare, which has now happened. No one looks at that as like, look at these wacky people. They're like, look at these people forced to do wacky things. If Ross gets out of jail, as far as day one things, I'll take it. I'm very concerned. I don't know if I'm concerned, but I remember vividly and I'm sure you do and

most people watching this as well, 2022 and all the polls were like it was Republican red wave, all the swing states were going Republican, you know, people were just saying all these weird like Rhode Island's gonna elect a Republican congressman so on and so forth and I was that election night on the blaze as were you as well, you phoned in. And that's not what ended up happening. And then I know the mousetrap's going off people's heads. Yeah, Trump wasn't on the ballot. Well, he kind of was. Some of those were proxy candidates, you know, like Trump candidates. And they all, I think, to a one where there were swing states lost. So that could be what we're seeing again. I believe that Kamala Harris has been sat down and told the results.

And I don't know if that means, all right, we've got this in the bag, who cares? Or like, it's a wrap. I think at this point they have enough information because these people are really smart behind the scenes, not in front of the camera, but behind them, that they've got enough data to crunch, that they could be like, all right,

we know how this is gonna go. And I don't think it's gonna be close. And I don't know what's going to end up happening. I'm just very concerned, as I'm certain you are, about Tim Walz, because of all of them, he, to me, is by far the most ominous and terrifying figure. Why do you think that?

Because I think he's, during COVID, he sets up Snitchline to turn in your neighbors. He had the cops shooting people with phone bullets or rubber bullets. The point is when you have this kind of Soviet, having everyone be watching everybody else, low trust society, that is much scarier to me than someone who is basically a mindless corporate hack and a function of the machine, which is what we have now, which I don't love. But if again, people are like, don't understand choices, like I'd rather have the flu than cancer. I don't want to have the flu. I'd rather have her who is just an idiot, who's just

doing the puppets, the being a puppet than someone who is an ideologue who has really malevolent dark-sided ideas Yeah, I will say there is also just and this is fairly I mean it might sound kind of superficial But there is just something about walls that just creeps me out Yeah, and I don't I can't exactly put my finger on it But he's a very strange guy And there's just something about like the way he moves the way he talks the way he the way he like He shook his wife's hand

Yeah on video one. Did you see that? Yes, which like I okay Like I can't really make a completely logical argument for why that's the weirdest thing in the world But it's just one thing like human, the idea of shaking my wife's hand, like it's just never, I don't know, it's just so bizarre and strange. And like, there's something like where you're like, oh, I don't get a read on you and that kind of freaks me out in a way.

And it's also when you're a politician, you and I both know, it's also, we're on shows, you know, you act a certain way. So you're gonna be even more on when you're in front of a camera. So like, this is your choice. This isn't like you got caught back, like he's back at home, he comes home, he shakes his hand,

and like hidden camera, like, oh, that's weird. This is in front of the cameras. Yes, yeah. Like you think you would have scripted out the, you know, things like when Al Gore, like real aggressively kissed his wife because he was trying to like combat the image of Bill Clinton, like having a sexless marriage or something.

So like he was trying to let the whole world know, like I fucked my wife. That's the moment of it, which is, was bizarre in its own way, but I don't know. It's kind of even more bizarre to let the world know. I shake my wife's hand. Yeah. I, I greet her like a business partner or so. I don't know why. It's so weird to me. Do you, um, obviously, uh, you, uh, have been known for being a bit of a troll and having some, uh, hostility toward the corporate media. Yeah.

Donald Trump obviously is both of those things, you know, also shares those, those quarters. Do you feel like, is there, I mean, just watching kind of over the, like the last few days of coverage to me have been really wild to see. I mean, I was talking about this on the last show where it's like, it seems like Donald Trump is setting up his closing pitch, you know, and he's like, okay, I'm going to do Rogan. I'm going to do the garden. I'm going to kind of do this big show,

which is what Trump is really great at doing. Yeah. And the corporate media and the Democrats are like, all right, here's our final act. We're going to call them a Nazi. Yeah, probably. This is, we're going, we're pulling the ACE out of the hall, you know, and there, and that's just it. And it's kind of, anyway, I don't know. What do you think? Do you know what's even funnier Dave? They've been calling him Hitler for months and the big reveals that Hitler was a Nazi. Like Scooby Doo. I was for Hitler until I learned he was a Nazi.

It really is. So, I mean, you know, look, they both had the American Nazi party had a an event at Madison Square Garden. By the way, I got to tell you this, you You and I both Jewish. Uh, it's very rare that I find things offensive. Um, I find it really offensive to divorce Nazism from anti-Semitism. This was very, and I don't use that term anti-Semitism like ever. It is central to like Hitler's ideology, right? Trump's daughter converted. Yeah.

If you're going to call someone a Nazi, he loves, he loves Ivanka. That's daughter converted. So if you're gonna call someone a Nazi, he loves Ivanka, that's pretty clear. If you lose your kid, maybe that's gonna encourage you to be a Nazi, depending on your relationship with her, but you're really crossing a line there, and the shamelessness of it is what makes it really despicable. And Doug Emhoff, like a hit him with your best shot Doug, when he, I don't know if you saw this, he tweeted out,

he was like, oh my God, you know, the Riley and all this antisemitism, like what are you talking? You're a liar. And to hide behind, you know, these terms, racism, antisemitism, sexism, when that actually happens to real people, to me is so despicable and shameless and just straight up evil. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Cal Shea. Do you think you know who's going to win the presidential election? Maybe you know how many seats the Democrats or the Republicans are going to win in the

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cause the thing is even when people use the term fascist, it's like what you're really invoking as the Holocaust, like no, to the average normie person, none of them are going like, Oh my God, he believes in like, you know, um, private ownership, but strong, centralized control. Like, you know what I mean? Like that's modern art. Yeah. Yeah. It's not none of those things. They're not talking about like your, your monetary or fiscal policy you're talking about. And it's just, you're actually using this horror to as a

political tool for score, like cheap political points. I actually, I find that to be a evil. Although you know that we talk about it, you know, it, it maybe it was different instead of everyone being rounded up and putting the camps were rounded up, put our own homes that, so it was kind of decentralized concentration camps that ended up happening. Yeah. Well, right.

And isn't it amazing? It's amazing to me how that, how much that is not even an issue. Yeah. Presidential candidates. Every hold. And, and part of it is because Trump was, can't really point to anything to, you know, so I, I do, and I don't know if this is right or not, but as you, you brought up the 2022 midterm elections and I think like,

particularly back then there was something that was like very, um, disheartening that it's like, Oh, you're telling me like all the Democrats aren't being punished in the voters eyes for killing old people. Yeah. But right. And like we had already figured out this was all wrong, right? Like everyone by 2022, like there was still COVID all over the place, but no one was doing lockdowns anymore. You know what I mean? Like it was, we had figured out this didn't make sense. And, but then I will say the place, but no one was doing lockdowns anymore. You know what I mean? Like it was, we had figured out this didn't make sense.

And, but then I will say the one, so like the, the one thing that I would, I would look to is that I did go like, Oh, you know, the Republicans really sucked on it too. And not, not the nursing homes though. That's well, well sure. But I'm just meaning to put, DeSantis did take a purple state and win by 20 points. Yeah. And I believe, um, uh, Christie Noem was reelected in, in South Dakota. And so it at least like gave me a little bit of like, well, maybe if the Republicans had actually been good on it and then they could run on

that rather than also trying to memory hole it, you know, so like there's some of that dynamic with Donald Trump too, that he just wasn't that good in 2020, or I should say he was very bad in 2020. And so he can't really run on that. But nonetheless, it's just crazy that we went through such a crazy thing. And then just a couple years later, there's a presidential election and it's not like, it's not even in the top five. I'm shocked that the Democrats aren't, or maybe they are because I don't see any ads

I'm not in a position to see ads, but I'm shocked that they're not like 2020 riots across America Plague and people dying. This is all in a Donald Trump. Do you want to go back to that? Like for normie people I think that would be a very strong selling point and I don't think they're using that as a cudgel Which even though it's a little bit a little bit a lot dishonest It still works as a technique and they're not using it. That's very odd to me. Like I think in warming terms,

those riots were much, which happened under Trump, were much more of a concern than January 6th, which they are using. Yeah, they're using January 6th to death. And it does seem, I agree with you. I mean, it seems like the Democrats are almost kind of happy to take the deal to just memory hole COVID. They're like, all right, we'll do that. Let's not bring it up at all. Cause maybe they think that could go bad.

But the January 6th stuff is there, there's something really bizarre and it's, there's a, it's a major theme in America these days. Where, and this changed in the last decade, where the corporate media seems to be married, like wedded to propaganda that doesn't even work. That doesn't even look like for whatever you I remember I was there Saddam Hussein's has have has weapons of mass destruction

However, you feel about how egregious of a lie it was and what a disaster the resulting policy was That worked on people like immediately after 9-eleven to tell people a this funny Arab looking Dictator guy has some nuclear weapons got a whole lot of people in this country being like well We got to go see about that And I guess we got to do this, you know, is that Kurt Metzger? Is that the Kurt voice they they once you get Kurt Metzger to support a war you the wars gonna happen You know and he goes dog is we got about them But whereas this January 6th stuff just doesn't seem to resonate

with anybody for very good reason. Um, and it just doesn't, and yet they just keep going to it. They keep going to the well. Joe Biden keeps bringing up Charlottesville still. Like it's there. It's very weird how divorced they are from like whether this propaganda is even effective or not. I don't know that they have a good feedback loop anymore. I think any feedback loop they would have, something like Twitter or these other resources

have been so co-opted by people who just despise, even people who are ostensible on the left, who aren't like leftists and like Kamala Harris is gonna save America and bring joy to everybody. So I think that's the issue. I think their world is getting smaller and smaller, and they're blowing smoke up each other's asses. And I think it's also like, you know, when I was in business, I was a business major and we learned about the Challenger

explosion and how is an example of group think where everyone's like looking at each other shoulder and no one want to say anything, be that guy to be like, uh, if we don't do this, like it's gonna be really bad, you know what I mean? So I feel like it seems in these organizations, from what little I can see from the outside, they seem to have developed this kind of bunker mentality where they know they're clearly losing ground. Hillary's explicit about it, John Kerry's explicit about it, that we can't control the narrative anymore. And when you're in retreat, I think you're more interested in doing triage than trying to put out feelers and see what works. But

it seems to be like kind of a bit of a death spiral because I think it's very clear and this is this is a big transition year and I'm making prediction that's not a bold one at all. It's very obvious one in retrospect that back in the day it was very useful to have presidential debates because it's not soundbites. It's both two or sometimes three with Russ Perot candidates speaking at length about various issues, and you really get to know who they are and what they think. You're not going to have any other opportunity for that.

Now, podcasts, why am I in this very stilted format when you have ABC News being on the side of the Democratic candidate, why do that when I can go? And the thing is these podcasts, they're not adversarial, but you get to know the person at length. You've had people on, I've had people on, when we disagree with them, we're not playing gotcha. And the audience gets to know them. It's like, okay, this is his view, this is the host view It's not as aggressive as let's suppose meet the press, but I think it serves a better purpose because instead of playing gotcha It's like, okay

Let me know what this person is really gonna do and what they really think and let them speak their minds So it's it's really lost its efficacy I think it because of the internet you don't need to have that debate on one of the four networks And I think going forward, you know, the Democrats are gonna play catch-up And that's definitely gonna be the way forward in 2024 and so on. Yeah, I think it's such a great point And did you see what she did to Rogan? Oh Yeah, I actually I talked to Joe about it briefly

But yeah that I had that info like a bit earlier than when it was out on Twitter, but that yes, she wanted him to travel to her to and they I think they said an hour an hour, you know, but you know, Brett Baier was supposed to get an hour and then they cut it down to like 20 minutes at the last minute. So who knows what they even would have done. And I I'll tell you, I was not sure until until the episode came out. Remember, literally, as soon as the Trump episode came out, I just looked at it on YouTube and saw he did three hours. And I was like, great, because I thought maybe he would, I knew he was coming to the studio. But I thought

they also might try to do like, oh, we'll do an hour. It's happened. It's happened to me. There's a prominent congressman whose name I won't mention. His PR lady reached out to me and she's like, hey, we'd love to have him on the show. I'm like, great, it's an hour. We record Monday or Tuesday. And she goes, okay, how about half an hour on Thursday? I didn't reply.

So they still think they're in a position, and it was friendly. I don't do hostile interviews at all. Sure, yeah. They still don't understand who's got the audience and who's got the clout like it's it's very few of these shows Unless you're Trump very few of these shows are excited to see someone talk to Matt Gaetz and that's no disrespect to Matt Gaetz, but people know politicians are rehearsed and

Plastic and you're not going to have that fun, engaging conversation with who knows what's going to happen with most politicians. Trump's a wild card. He's the Charlie Kelly of politics. So you're like, okay, what the fuck's this guy going to talk about next? That was part of your act. Like, all right, what next? China.

Okay. Let's talk about China for 20 minutes. Well, yeah, that's him. And it's something he's really benefited from. No, I did think, I thought it was so, and like, I had no influence in this. Like, Rogan told me it had been done. But I was just so glad that he, like, stuck to his guns on that.

Because it's like, yeah, don't, because then she didn't really do the Joe Rogan experience. The Joe Rogan experience is going to Austin, sitting in his studio and doing three hours with him. And if you don't do that- In the chair that you and I both farted in. Yes, that same one that I intentionally farted in. I pushed it out.

It didn't come out on its own. It was a turtle. But look, I mean, to your point, I did think that there was, and of course there's benefits to kind of grilling interviews, and there's benefits to friendly conversations. But I did think in a weird way, you know, when the moment on the Rogan podcast when

he asked him about the 2020 election, and that gets brought up every single time he's interviewed by any corporate media journalist. But that moment actually exposed him a lot more on Rogan's podcast because they're having a friendly conversation. Joe is clearly not asking it in a bad faith way. He's not asking it the way Dana bash from CNN is asking the question, but he's just going, Hey, so you think that like, but why do you really believe that? And Trump really didn't have an answer. Like he kind of just went like, ah, believe me, believe me, there's a lot of evidence or whatever. And you're

like, ah, okay. And like, so even just that, just that little example, it can actually be like, if your goal is to get Trump, sometimes it's better off to be honest about it and like be a decent person and then expose it. I saw a clip of an interview with destiny, a debate between destiny and Ben Shapiro or discussion, whatever it was. And they were talking about the 2020. And Ben obviously has a lot of big differences from Trump, to put it mildly. And Ben's destiny is like Trump had all the evidence he knows he lost.

And Ben's like, you don't know that he knows that. And if you ask me, I would say he doesn't know that because I think it's very, I would bet a lot of money that he cannot wrap his head that he really lost to Joe Biden Like that's all it comes down to and when your brain tells you something and you're at that level of narcissism and delusion and power It's really hard to get reality to come in because this is the person who had no political experience He's like, oh, yeah, i'm just going to come down the elevator and escalator and be president. It's like, okay And he did it. So he's has, you have to have at that level in a, both a positive negative way, a bit of a screw loose to be delusional enough to think you could pull something off that you

actually did. Yeah. You know, I was just, um, I was on Pierce Morgan, uh, a couple of days ago, um, with destiny and, uh, Metty Hassan. Oh God. And, uh, yeah, I hope your beeper didn't go off. I didn't, evidently it was right after that, but I hadn't seen that yet. Um, but uh, anyway, I mean it was a shit show. It was ridiculous,

but there was this one point that they were both of them. And it's funny because I think a lot of guys like that, um, they have, they, they kind of like, sometimes they'll present like a long argument with certainty. But like as soon as you examine any one little individual part of it, you were like, Oh, this all cuts. So, but anyway, one of the arguments I found was kind of fascinating, particularly from, uh, Mehdi Hassan because he is, if you, if you know him at all,

if you know his foreign policy views, he's, you know, a big critic of Israel, you know, uh, argues a genocide against the Palestinians is happening. Very anti-war like progressive kind of worldview. But so I know he's a big critic on war. I don't know that much about him, but I know that. He's a big bad faith. Oh, unbelievably bad faith. Once the cameras are rolling.

Once the cameras are rolling. Now before the show, I actually had an interesting conversation with him and he was talking about how he used to read antiwar.com back when Justin Raimondo was running the site and stuff and I was like, oh, that's cool. You know, and like we had an interesting conversation. But so anyway, so they're making an argument at one point and it was about General Kelly

and you know, he had said the stuff like Trump praised Hitler to him or something like that. And you know, again, which is like, whatever, it's yeah, a couple of weeks before the election, you happen to decide right now you needed to tell us in the Vegas terms without being specific about what he said. But anyway, but they were arguing at one point where they were like, well, I forget the exact thing, but they were like, well, 11, you know, generals said that Trump did this and he denies it. So who are you going to trust Trump? Like, you know, and, and I was sitting there and I was like, well, I, and they asked me, I went, I don't know. I don't know who's telling the truth.

I don't know. 51 intelligence agents tell us that hunger let the fuck you talk about. They were almost making this argument. And he told me, I mean, Maddie said straight up, he goes, that's, that's insane. He goes, that's insane that you're going to trust Trump over 11 generals. And I told me, I mean, Medi said straight up, he goes, that's, that's insane. He goes, that's insane that you're going to trust Trump over 11 generals. And I was like, it's not a law of logic that 11 people can't lie. Especially if they have a vested interest. If Hitler's about to be elected, wouldn't you lie?

Wouldn't that be the right thing to do? Yeah. Like, and I, but I turned to Medi Hasan and I was like, are you really telling me you think it's beyond the realm of possibility that you could get a group of people together in DC? What about Colin Powell on the floor of the, what was that, the UN?

Yes, well, that's what I said. That was the one I brought up. I didn't bring up the 51 intelligence people because I just thought attack him from his position too. Sure, sure. So I just go, I go, how'd we get in Iraq? Cause a whole bunch of people in DC lied. Right?

Yeah. So like, and especially one guy who's come in, who has clearly pissed off all of DC. However you feel about everyone involved here, he's clearly pissed a lot of people off, but anyway, it is just like, um, there's something to me that is, uh, it's always been an interesting thing about Donald Trump that people get so I didn't, I'm sorry. Didn't he praise Hitler in the sense of I need generals like Hitler had meaning generals who are loyal to him.

So that statement is true anyway. Yeah. That seems to be like what it was, but then Trump denies it all together. I mean, who the hell knows, but like, yeah, I believe he, cause I, I would have no problem with him in his stupid Trump way saying, I need generals who are loyal to me. Like Hitler's generals are loyal to him. Yes. And the military liked him and the corporate Trump way saying, I need generals who are loyal to me. Like Hitler's generals are loyal to him. Yes.

And the military lied to him and the corporate press praised it, which is one of the most unconstitutional things in a recent American history, the whole premise of having a civilian commander in chief is that the military is subjugated to the will of the people. And that was thrown out the window was at Syria, I believe. And then they're like, oh great. Yeah. We relied, we'll just lie to the president and brag about it.

And this was now that that was one incident where they were bragging about lying about the number of troops. But if you can recall the four Trump years, every other week, the New York times was running a piece with, you know, unnamed source in the executive branch says this unnamed source in the Pentagon says this. And so yes, my initial take was that if Donald Trump was praising Hitler's generals is how they put it. It's like, I think he was probably saying it sure would be nice to have a government that was loyal to me. And like, you know what I mean? So anyway, it's not,

but I just on the grant, just on the logic of it, you'd be like this idea that it's, it's impossible that multiple people were lying. I think, I think they're lying to the audience cause it's trust the experts. And it's just like, just, you know, what you said that you and I've talked about this before when you were an SC cup show on CNN and she's getting information from like the NSA and you're some asshole comic. it's like what do you expect her to believe? All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is my patriot supply Let me ask you a question

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And by the way, I'm sure those, those 11 generals would tell Medi, we need to have more support of Israel. Is he going to believe them then? Well, that's, that's my thing. That's why I was going to him and go, you, according to your worldview, the people you're talking about are currently conducting a genocide. I mean, literally like, like according to all reporting, Israel couldn't do what it's doing in Gaza with, I mean, they're not only just getting our weapons and money, but real time intelligence and all of that stuff.

So I don't know. So they're, they're involved in a genocide, but they're above lying. I like, I just don't like walk me through this worldview and how this all comes together. Do you, like I, I certainly at this point am like, uh, I'm very much rooting for Donald Trump to win. Um, you know, like with all, for all of his flaws, I do think that I just, I think it's better for the country if Kamala Harris loses and at least a message is sent to the elite that you

can't get away with this. You got to do a little bit better. Um, do you, do you feel that way or do you, do you think there's it's preferable one way or the other or do you I'm very, I care about Ross. I'm very scared that a lot of these mega people think Trump's going to come in and Santa Claus everything. Even if he's everything that they think he is, the institutional bandwidth for lack of a better term against him is immense. Now the question I have and I'm curious to hear your thoughts is, I think TDS, the fever

has broken. I don't think a second Trump term will be as ridiculously over the top anti-Trump, you have two scoops of ice cream reporting as it was in the first term. I think it'll be much more reporting on the issues. He seems to have toned it down a little. I think the rise of alternative facets of media is also going to temper their possibilities. But I got to tell you the fact that Ryan is on CNN, Gurdusky, the fact that- I think not anymore.

Oh, they fired him? I believe he got canned over the pager thing. Oh, wow. I could be wrong about that. Double check me, but I thought I saw that at least that- Okay. Well, the fact that Ryan could be wrong about that. Double check me. But I thought I saw that at least that, uh, okay. Well, the fact that our Ryan could be on CNN. Yes, he was on CNN and he was, he was schooling people for a while. So I, the fact that I think it was, was it Washington Post who's looking for

more conservative writers, the, these people have dwindling audiences and at a certain point, hating Trump, uh, is not a personality. And I think that's happened already. The fact that here's, I've used this example before, if it was a year ago and we were talking, I said, Mark Zuckerberg is gonna go on TV and praise Trump and have no pushback, would have sounded crazy, right? And he did, and that was exactly what happened. And a lot of people are supporting Trump

and they're not having their careers ruined. Whereas back in the day, even just saying that he kind of sucks means you're a Trump supporter and you have to get fired and be completely right out of polite society. So I am hopeful that if he gets elected, like a Tulsi would be Secretary of State or someone like that, that RFK could get in there and be a bit of a wrecking ball. I'm glad Mitch McConnell is on his way out. So and if the Department of Education being on the table, these are things where I see there being a possibility. Vivek and Elon trying to cut down the federal

budget. These are things that I am hopeful for but at the same time last time he was in and I know this will give all these excuses blah blah blah and he doesn't get them again there's gonna be excuses again I understand I understand I'm just saying there were all these things that were promised out auditing the fed he could have done that with a stroke of pen he didn't do that so there's so many things that could be done that did that could have been done that that weren't so I I'm curious I'm very hopeful for a revenge tour that he goes after these agencies who tried to kill him and take away his house and throw him in jail. That is what I'm most hopeful for.

And I'm ecstatic. One of the people say the best thing about Trump is that he exposed the corporate press. No, I think the best thing about Trump is he exposed how fucked up the legal system is and that it's not this objective justice with a blindfold thing that probably Calvert and House, another great example that prosecutors are often villains, that cops do fucked up things, including sitting on their hands while your neighborhood's being burned down and then arresting you for trying to fix it. Yeah.

If you thought, if you would have, if 10 years if we would have said conservatives would be receptive to this opinion, let alone have it as their opinion, we would have been laughed out of. It's like ridiculous. Like saying, oh yeah, in 10 years the Democrats are going to be pro-life. It's like, oh, okay. But here we are. No, and there's no question that I, there's also just like, uh, there's a, there's a freedom to openly support Donald Trump now

that you didn't used to have. And like in 2016, if a podcaster or a comedian came out and was like, I'm pro Trump, you'd really be kind of taking your career in your hands. That's not the case anymore. I think there's a lot of reasons for that, but I gotta say, I think one of the major, one of the primary reasons is that, you know, it's,

what was that your quote or were you quoting someone else when you were saying the river versus the damn Trump? That's me. That's so you were like, and how does it go? Exactly. They thought he was the river rather than the dam. Right. So there's something where this was kind of the argument that the, the corporate media, and I think a lot of progressives bought into this argument, was essentially that like, everything was fine until this crazy guy got here,

and now everything's all crazy because of him. And whereas I think the more correct assessment of the situation was like, no, something was building. There was this tidal wave. Trump was the one who figured out how to capitalize on it and put this wave behind him and ride it. I think the Joe Biden administration proved you correct and them wrong. I think there was something where this was Joe Biden's pitch in 2020 which got you got to understand in the year 2020 there was a

compelling pitch here. Now of course he was just staying in his basement he wasn't making the pitch but he could also plausibly say, well, that's the safe thing to do. Yeah, responsible thing to do is to stay in my basement. I'm not going to go be a super spreader like Donald Trump. This was the talking point, if you remember, as Trump was campaigning all the way down into the fall of 2020 and Joe

Biden was like, listen, I've been here for 5000 years. Just put me in. I'm his old, we'll go back to normal. And that he literally said back to normal and man did back to normal sound appealing in the year 2020. Like, yes, we don't have to be crazy like this anymore. However, then to have almost four years since then,

and you're like, oh, the crazy didn't go away. Donald Trump went away, but we're still living in this new world. And I think there's something even like, for, for someone like me, Can I say something? Sure. Sure. Go ahead. Just one sentence. We're going to go back to normal and now here's the they, them who's in charge of our nukes, who's stealing our suitcases, you know, back to normal. Yeah. Yeah. Like, but then there's, listen, it's a painful thing for people to, to, to recognize. It's a painful thing for me to recognize sometimes.

And I consider myself fairly red-pilled. Uh, but that, that it's like, Hey, just even something, bro, like, you know, the 1990s, they're never coming back. They're never coming back. It's not happening. It's a wait, but you know, like for at least a generation, conservatives were trying to get back to the 1950s. It's like, it's a painful thing to realize that that's never actually going to happen. That's like, well, they're trying to go back to like an imaginary 1950s though. Well, yes, that's true. Yeah.

But we all kind of are when we think about the past, because that's the way memory works. But we're never going back to a pre-Trump world. We're never going back to a pre-COVID world. None of that is real. We're in a new world now, and we've got to map out this territory. But I do think that there's just something,

but whether it's even the you know, the the transgender stuff the foreign policy the vaccine Mandates the inflation the immigration just everything it's like Oh Trump left and all the problems are still here all of the conditions of why a Trump like figure Rose are still here And now as Trump's running again, they're trying to do the boogeyman thing again, but it's just like, he's a president now. He's not just Donald Trump. He's part of the history of America.

He was the commander in chief for four years and it just doesn't seem, it doesn't seem to be effective in the way that it was even in 2016 or 2020. Oh, 2022. Right. Right. Yeah. Because I, the ABC news, this was, I tweeted this out. People probably might've seen it. They had a poll and a two, they had two polls, like two weeks apart, something like that, whatever. And they had her in the lead in the national popular vote, which is certainly plausible. But the way they scored the poll, they were claiming that Kamala's voters are more enthusiastic

than Trump's voters. And I'm like, I have seen, and I'm like, I've seen, I could be wrong. I've seen no evidence that's all out to the contrary. Everyone replied to me is like, here's the receipts there. It's completely the other way. And I have seen other than Beyonce and Oprah, you know, people like that, I've seen no giddiness for Kamala. There was no giddiness for Biden.

There was excitement for Hillary. Some people were like first woman president. She's a badass. She's tough. You know, like this is there was excitement for her. Like people, I know people hate her more than anything, but there were no one is excited for this broad. Again, I remind people, this is why I gave Trump an 80% chance of winning months ago. She's from California. She had Hollywood her back and she couldn't even make Iowa.

That is a uniquely terrible candidate. When you can't, as the senator and attorney general former of California, you can't handle the mayor of South Bend, Indiana. That's on you. Yeah. And just for people who don't remember or didn't weren't aware. I mean, it's not as if like her she raised huge money. Yeah, the establishment loved her. She got much of Hillary Clinton's campaign staff. She, I think was first, I think she out raised Joe Biden in the first month that she was running, like, and still couldn't make it to Iowa with all like the media apparatus and the big money all behind her. It was kind of like, I mean, look, even Nikki Haley made it through to whatever, I mean, she made it through

four or five of the campaigns. But it was, so if you think about Nikki Haley, if you remember from this year, like the candidate who the media wanted, who the big money was all going to and was just still getting blown out in every single primary, Harris was 10 times worse than that.

Couldn't even make it through the first caucus. You know what I mean? Like she was just, it was a complete disaster. And so yeah, there does break. There's something there, not a very strong candidate. Do you know what's even funnier? It's even funnier is that we're so trained. I mean, we, as people who could serve media of certain archetypes that there's two black women archetypes that Kamala Harris could have leaned into and really gotten some traction. One is this Oprah figure.

If she uses like healing like earth mother, you know, I'm from the suburbs, I can work together, bring everyone together. That's a persona that people can wrap their head around that would have a lot of political traction. Nope. Then there's the sassy black woman who don't need no man. Like I think Stacey Abrams leads into that a little bit, right? You have this kind of attitude, shaking your head kind of thing thing where like it's kind of a joke, but that is some, that's a character that everyone knows. If she leans to that, then you know, people like Colbert and, and, and Jimmy Kim will have

something to work with because they would pretend it's effective and like, Oh my God, you know, this bad-ass black lady girl boss is putting, you know, the old white man, his place. Like we know that story. It's every Netflix show. And she's not leaning into that either. It's just like, these are two layups that you're a complete phony anyway, put in one of these hats and you'll get somewhere more than now. Yeah. It's, um, you know, it's, I think there's a similar dynamic to what you mentioned, uh, at the top of the show about the corporate media, just kind of, uh, um, you know, it's, I, I think there's a similar dynamic to what you mentioned, uh,

at the top of the show about the corporate media, just kind of, uh, their, their audience getting so small and being in their own feedback loop where they're not able to get the market information to adjust. So they're not even like kind of in the game anymore. Um, there's something like that in the political class also, because it's been, it's been really interesting to me to watch their inability to grapple with the new dynamics or the new reality. And so even things like, okay, traditionally in politics,

the way it always works, and me and you are both old enough that we remember a time in politics when it was the traditional world where the internet was not the factor, it wasn't a factor at all at a time. And one of the things, so what you would do is this is how politics works. You would have a stump speech and you would give this speech everywhere you went. And they were all the advice, all the smart. And by the way, this is big money, by the way,

there are people who make millions of dollars a year advising these campaigns, consultants and campaign managers. And they'd be like, it's, um, message discipline. It's a repetition. You know, you gotta like say this over and over and over again, if you want everyone to get it. But now we're like in a completely different dynamic where the fact that come out. So basically they got some, some, um, um, some market research at the very beginning of, uh,

when she got in as the nominee and they go, look, people don't really know you. Like you've been the vice president here, but people don't really know you. So she decided every single thing I do, I'm going to repeat. I was raised in a middle-class family, but now because there's the internet, what happens is now you get all these video compilations spliced of her just saying the same thing over and over and over again. And it's like, ha ha, she's got nothing to say.

She can't say anything she got. And now it's become literally a joke. Like Saturday Night Live even was, was doing it by the way, to the point of it being a little more acceptable nowadays to make fun of her. But there's just something where you're like, Oh, you're not adjusting to the new reality. Meanwhile, it does seem to me like the Trump campaign is at least attempting to, they recognize that they're like, okay, I mean, he went on with Andrew Schultz with Patrick bet David with Theo Vaughn with

Rogan, obviously, um, Tim, uh, there was like, like just a, a ton of them. Yeah. JD Vance was on Tim Dillon. Yeah. Yeah. And that's right. And, and, um, you know, and there's something to, right. There's something where they're like, Oh, okay, we get that. And like, why wouldn't you, you know, like, if you just look at this and you're like, Oh, well like CNN is doing like, Well, you know why, you know, thousands.

I had, I, let me break this down a little bit because this is something that I, that I found very kind of interesting. I had Dolph Ziggler, a nickname on my show. He's a wrestler for 20 years, WWE. And I grew up with WWF when it was called WWF. And how it worked is Vince McMahon constructed this reality where nothing outside this reality was, was acknowledged. So there was another organization called NWA and all the midwits like to correct me go, don't you mean NWL? No, in the 80s, it was called NWA. Look it up. And if a wrestler was poached from there to WWF, they weren't like, oh, he's the former world champ of NWA. They just pretended he came out of nowhere. And it worked

because if you only had four channels, and NWA was much smaller, more regional, you could get away with assuming that most people who are just only watching this Saturday afternoon aren't reading the wrestling magazines, they're not watching on TBS, whatever the hell it was, so they're not going to know this other guy. Corporate media for a long time, CNN, CBS, Fox, all these things, they basically wanted to pretend podcasts and the internet don't exist. Or that if these things happen on podcasts or the internet, we're going to give you the clip that matters, but you're not going over there. This is where adult conversation happens. That's more of like a playground sideshow. And as that has shifted, it's really bizarre because they still are acting

like you can't change the channel. CNN's YouTube channel and your YouTube channel, like when I self-publish books on Amazon, my page is right next to Barack Obama's page. They look, if the book's done professionally, you're not going to see a difference. I can compete with them as you can, or anybody else watching this can, this can, but they still have this gatekeeper mentality and it's really hard to keep a gate when the gate just gets shorter and shorter and now it's like six inches tall and it's like, okay, who are you keeping out the Smurfs? And yeah, the other thing is since their audience, the average age of these audiences for these networks is like deceased They their audiences don't watch podcasts or you know go the internet So there's some plausibility for that, but it's really the just getting more and more detached from reality

Yeah, one hundred. That's exactly right 100% and I gotta say one of the major Reasons why I really hope Trump wins Is a wait, I gotta say one more thing. I'm sorry. Sure. Sure. Sure. This just, so this is why they can go on and say, Joe Rogan is saying horse paste. It took horse paste. Whereas if they had any shame and intelligence, they'd be like, wait a minute, everyone seeing this clip can go see what Joe Rogan actually said. And he said nothing of the kind.

And this is going to be hugely bad for our reputation because we're so clearly distorting what he's saying or trying to say, but they don't think like that. They're still in this WWF in the 1980s mindset. Sorry, go ahead. That's right. No, that's right. And then to even go like, Oh, and our CNN doctor is going to have to go on Joe Rogan because his publisher is going to insist that he does so we can sell his book and then he's going to have no defense when Joe Rogan calls him out for his whole network lying. Yeah, it's like there's no like foresight for any of this stuff. This is one of the major reasons why I do hope Trump wins is that I do think, you know, like look if the corporate media is down and is being beat up right now, but this is like, you know, if you hate the corporate media is down and is being beat up right now. But this is like, you know,

if you hate the corporate media as much as me and you do, you're not like, all right, you got them. It's like, no dude, hit them with a shovel. Now, now that they're down, hit them with that. And if Donald Trump wins, the narrative is going to write itself that he got to the presidency because he was a, he was, he was willing to do the new media. And I do think that this is going to be like a monumental shift. This is like the corporate media is dead. The future looks bad for them,

but this is going to be like the bullet to the head, man. That's just an analogy. In, uh, you know, in Arizona right now, Ruben Gallegos is using clips from my podcast against Carrie Lake. Like this is how low America is. It is a sad state of affairs. It's so bad.

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Celebrate the moments that matter most. Message and data rates may apply. See terms for details. Paint your life. Text problem to 87204. All right, let's get back into the show. But I do think that like, like even just with Rogan, uh, particularly because Rogan, I mean, the numbers are like ungodly that they're doing, it's going to be over a hundred million people end up watching the thing when it's all said and done. And, and her insisting he come to her and her not doing it, like that, that narrative just writes itself that it's like, she was unwilling to do it. He cleared his schedule, went there and did it for three hours and he wins and

she loses. She expects Rogan to kiss the ring. It's like a Hollywood thing. Who's going to go to whose table? Like you and I are both at a restaurant. We see each other who's going to get up to go to the other person's table and she still thinks she's the got the, she has something he wants more than the other way around. No, no, no. He's got the leverage.

No, I saw, uh, it's funny because I did, I saw some of the, um, the, Kamala Harris supporters on Twitter being like, who does he think he is? That's the presidential candidate you're going to make demands of her. Yeah. He's got the thing. It's the show we do. It's not a demand. It's not like you have to come in and you're going to be attached to lie detector. You have to come in and wear a funny hat. It's not even the hot wing show. It's like like the only demand is you do the show like everybody else.

Yeah, yeah. That's the only demand. I also do think that it's, you know, I've been saying this for a while now, but I think it's kind of, I think it's crazy that like, I was saying this before Trump did Rogan, but isn't it crazy that like, so I do, I think I would say like, I don't know exactly, let's just say 10 times a year. Uh, I do one of like the big long shows. So maybe I'll do Rogan a couple of times a year, Tucker a couple of times, Patrick, but David a couple of times, Tim pool, a couple of times, you know, like you do like all these shows where it's kind of be like, Hey, this is going to be for hours and it's going to go out to, you know, like you do like all these shows where it's kind of be like, Hey, this is going to be for hours and it's going to go out to, you know, millions of people and it's going to be an in-depth long show.

You're going to have to talk a lot about the issues that you're, you know, interested in. There's going to be follow up questions. There might be some debate. There might be some disagreement. We're going to really get to know how you feel like in depth, not just like surface level stuff. And that's like expected of me to have my career.

Yet when you're running for commander in chief and we have this ability, like we're not constrained by the old technology. It doesn't have to come on at a certain hour with commercial interruptions. Like none of that is necessary anymore. It's crazy that it almost took to this point that we would just demand that out of, you know, people who want to be political leaders. Yeah. And it's all right. It's also going to be much more interesting questions. And this is the other thing what's good for them.

It's that there's some number that like why these they do these rallies and shake hands. I think it's like one in four people if you shake, they'll vote for you. It's some crazy number. So, people, I've seen this expression and I think it really nails it, that podcasts are a friendship simulator, that people feel like they're hanging out with two people having conversation. It's such a great way as a politician to get people to fall in love with you and feel like they know you and feel safe with you in a position in position of power. I was just laughing when you were talking because it's to your point. I'm doing Trigonometry this week and Winston Marshall and then I'm doing Stossel in a couple

of weeks. I'm very excited about it. I might get a fake mustache. I don't know. I love him so much. He's so great. And sometimes when people on Twitter- And he's gotten better, I think, over the years, he's gotten much more of a curmudgeon.

It's really kind of, he doesn't, he didn't give a fuck before. And now he really doesn't give a fuck. It's so fun. It's really great. Yeah. And he's earned it. I mean, you've paid your dues, you paid your dues, your dues and my dues and Lewis's dues. Everybody's, um, but it's funny when people come at me on Twitter, they're like, Oh, he's just a Twitter troll. He's never serious. Like I sit down several times a year for hours off the cuff. And I feel that's a much better, I write books, I feel that's a much better way to get someone's point of view across than just stupidity on social media with someone trying to some rando trying to

play gotcha. Oh yeah. It's so ridiculous. Well, also like, I mean your books are deeply serious books. I mean like not like, you know, like I'm not saying you never like crack jokes or whatever, but like your books are incredibly serious topics. I mean like that you, that you do not treat glibly like that. You're treating with like real sincerity and being like, no, like kind of, you know, insisting that your listener like actually grapple with the horrors of the world. And so it's just such a weird, it's like, I don't know, like,

I've always found stuff like that to be like, uh, you know, or people would be like, well, like how are you going to like joke around like this and then be serious about that? And you're like, I don't know, cause I'm a human being because I don't like, I, I experienced a wide range of emotions. We see this also with actors. People can't wrap their head around someone who's a comedic actor. This was a big thing for Tom Hanks. It's like, you're a comic actor, now you're going to be serious? It's just like, it's impossible. Maybe it's hard that most people have one skill, it's rare to have

both, but you can't wrap your head around someone being like a douche on Twitter, but then also with their heads down, they're serious. Like they can't wrap their heads around it. It was really like, wait, wait, wait. So let me get this straight. So you were joking and laughing with your girlfriend earlier today, but now you're having an argument with her. Like that's crazy, dude. Who does both of those things?

Every human being does both of those things. Like what do you mean? That's all part of us. If what do you think and and we're coming up against the end of time here but this is something i've i've been kind of uh um thinking about lately so i saw donald trump i think it was yesterday in some speech where he said something um can i say one more thing because people are to your i just thought when people ask me are you going to vote you're going to vote if you're going to vote and i'm going to vote. And I'm telling you, if I voted, I would have written in Joe Biden.

He is, man, you would be the one they would find the one. You'd see the results of Austin and say, Joe Biden won. It'd be like, Oh, okay. He's so much. That like that might make it back to Joe Biden. You got one. Yeah. Um, is it, I saw Donald Trump, uh, he was saying, someone asked him about if he loses, like, will you accept the results of the election type generic question? And,

you know, he said a very Trumpian answer. He said, uh, he got, he said if it was fair, if it's fair, then of course I'll accept it. But if it's not fair, I won't. And then he goes, but you know, I just saw a poll the other day. It said, uh, he got, he said, if it was fair, if it's fair, then of course I'll accept it. But if it's not fair, I won't. And then he goes, but you know, I just saw a poll the other day. It said, and I forget exactly what he said, but it said we had a 93% chance of winning as, and he goes, so those are pretty good odds. I'll take 93. Now, I don't know where he's getting this from. The odds seem to be nowhere near 93% by any reasonable, you know, reading of the poll.

No, I think there was a silver that for one minute it was like 93 or something crazy. No, okay. Perhaps. Nate Silver also, by the way, I think had similar odds for Hillary Clinton. My only point is that overall that that does not seem to be the odds, but regardless, sure. In the event that on election day or a few days after that, it is announced that Kamala Harris won. Where do we go then? And I think at least the most obvious prediction to me seems to be like, well, none of Trump's supporters will believe that's real, which is not necessarily the worst thing, but where

do you think America goes if Kamala pulls this off? I am very, very scared that Trump, who's no spring chicken and not exactly in the fit of best physical condition, such as myself, as a sheath underwear model, is going to die in his sleep, have a heart attack or a stroke, which is not impossible. I don't wish this on almost anybody. And no one's going to believe that it really happened. And then then things are gonna get really scary. That's my biggest fear. Not my biggest fear but it's very very up there. If Kamala wins I would like to point something out to people

and it's really funny because when you tell people something they'll take one step back to go two steps forward. They can't wrap their head around it. Because I'll ask people like, okay, if Obama, if Romney won in 2012, you could never have Trump. Trump would have never been president. In the same way that George W. Bush had to be such a disaster, you otherwise wouldn't have gotten a nobody like Obama elected, right? So I would say, can you understand that it's a good thing that in some regards that Obama won in 2012, because then you got Trump, who's much more of a positive net than Romney and even more of a

net than the damage Obama did. And they can wrap their heads around that to some extent. Some people still say no, Romney still should have won. I'm like, but then you're not going to get Trump. Nope. It's like, okay, like it's just Republicans have to win. And then you have to complain with those rhinos in Washington. Like that's your right. Right. I will, I will bring up another very, a woman who I think is better in pretty much every regard than Kamala Harris, which is Hillary Clinton. I think Hillary Clinton is smarter. She's certainly better on her feet, better sense of humor.

She has a dark sense of humor behind the scenes, more popular. People go to jail for her. People literally have refused to testify against her, not because out of fear. Again, I'd rather have the flu than cancer. I'm not saying Hillary's great. I'm saying compared between those two, she's a lot better. She fucked up healthcare so bad in 94 that the Republicans got Congress for the first time in 40 years. The Speaker of the House lost his seat and we got a balanced budget and all sorts of other things that were kind of a big positive and Clinton went to the right of Reagan on social issues. So I don't think it's at all obvious other than the Supreme Court that if Kamala Harris comes in and there's a Republican Senate, which seems a certainty, which no, we haven't had a president come

in without having the Senate of his own party since like, I think it was Ford. Like it's really been a thing that the president comes in with his own Senate. Yeah, that's interesting. As you mentioned it. Yeah. So Trump did,. Obama did Bush. Yeah. Yes. So she, uh, no, uh, I'm sorry. The first jump w bush did not. So HW didn't have it. So you have to go back to 92, 32, 32 years. Uh, her, uh, um, proposals are DOA. I think her party is not going to rally around her because they're not really rallying around her now. They're not this, they're not this enthusiasm for her like there was for Hillary or even Biden. Like we gotta get Trump out. So I think the blowback for the Republican or the anti-government side could be huge. But again, this could be just a very, very small silver lining.

But I also think it's going to further divide people between... I think the cynicism is what brought down the Soviet Union when people were like, okay, this is all bullshit. Like this woman didn't win any primaries. They shoved her in instead of Biden. Now they pulled her across the finish line. No one likes this bitch. She didn't earn it. Like, this is ridiculous. And I think an increase of that in the long term is a very healthy thing because the more people cynical about the system, the less likely they're going to be to get us into war. Because if you're going to send your sons and daughters overseas, you have to believe the president's a good guy and this is in America's best interest and this is an ongoing current threat.

But if you think the president's an asshole, it's like, fuck you. We're not doing this. Yeah. And that's a big silver lining. No, I mean, it's true. I mean, don't get me wrong. Like we're involved in two proxy wars right now that are both pretty dangerous, but there is something where like the invasion of Iraq, I can't picture

that happening in America anymore. And the big part of it is just cause no one will believe you. No one will believe it. But also we have places to talk about it. There's the internet before you didn't have the internet so you couldn't really get your voice. You sound like it's, it's Justin Raimondo and some randos in the corner. Like it basically the guidance subway screaming like you're crazy, but now it's systemic Yeah, no, that's that's exactly right. And there is something win-lose or whatever. There is something about like the these alternative platforms being legitimized by the President having to come to try to get

reelected by them that it's like, yeah, those platforms aren't going anywhere, at least short of a real crackdown. Well, my friend has been great to talk to you about this and we'll watch all the, uh, the magic unfold in the, in the, uh, the next few days. And look, if, uh, um, if nothing else, it's going to be quite a show. Yes, sir. That's true. That's been your favorite part of this election season. My favorite part of this election season has been talking to you about it.

Six days out. I am problem. All right. Thank you guys very much for checking it out. Make sure to go, uh, follow and support Michael Malice and all of his wonderful ventures and we'll catch you guys next time. Peace.