Part Of The Problem - Obama at the DNC

Episode Date: August 22, 2024

Dave Smith brings you the latest in politics! On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave discusses Barrack Obama's speech at the DNC, Nicole Shanahan's implication about RFK Jr's future in the presidential race, Nick Fuentes's comments about Dave on X, and so much more!Part Of The Problem is available for early pre-release at https://partoftheproblem.com/ as well as an exclusive episode on Thursday!Support Our SponsorsSheath - https://sheathunderwear.com use promo code PROBLEM20YO DELTA - https://yodelta.com/ Use Promo code GASGet your tickets to Porch Tour Herehttps://porchtour.comFind Run Your Mouth here:Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/@robbiethefire2577/streamsItunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/run-your-mouth-podcast/id1211469807Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4ka50RAKTxFTxbtyPP8AHmFollow the show on social media:Twitter:http://twitter.com/ComicDaveSmithhttp://twitter.com/RobbieTheFireInstagram:http://instagram.com/theproblemdavesmithhttp://instagram.com/robbiethefire#libertarianSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

What's up everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I am Dave Smith. Thank you guys very much for joining. I am rolling solo for this episode. I was supposed to have a guest on. They had to reschedule Rob's off gallivanting in the world being Rob Bernstein. So it's just me. Um, but I got some things that we could, uh, we could talk about today. So hopefully we'll have a fun episode. If, uh, you want to come catch me and Robbie the fire Bernstein on the road, we will be out in about a week at, uh, hyenas in Fort Worth and Dallas. Very much looking forward to those shows. These were, uh, that it was one of the most fun weekends of last year,

was doing those clubs out there. So hope to see a lot of you guys out there in Dallas and Fort Worth. And then next up is Casper, Wyoming, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, Detroit, Kansas City, Poughkeepsie, Philadelphia, and Bozeman, Montana, which I'm very much looking forward to, going to Montana for the first time.

All right, so Uh last night was uh night two of the democratic national convention Uh, the big news from last night was of course barack obama's speech which I did Um, I did find very interesting. It's a weird. There's a weird thing about being older, which I know there's like people who are older than me who listen to this show. And I'm 41 and 41 is like, it's that weird. It's that weird point where to young people that sounds old. I remember I was young once and I remember how old 40 sounded. Um, but then to older people, they're like offended if you describe yourself as old.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that I've been kind of obsessed with politics and the state of the world for a while now. And when you, as, as time goes on, you just have, it's a little bit of a weird thing where you just have more of like a reference point where you can look back at how you used to think about things and how you feel about them. Now you don't have that when you're younger. And it's, I was really struck by this as I was watching Barack Obama's speech. Like I remember, you know, it's 16 years since Barack Obama was first the Democratic nominee. And I remember that time very well. I had just started getting obsessed with politics at that time.

And it's kind of interesting. It reminded me a lot of John Stewart returning to the daily show. It's weird when you see this and you're like, Oh, I remember what this was like in 2007. And now seeing him do the whole same shtick, I just have such a different feeling about it. And it part, one of the similarities between those two examples is that I, it's, it's interesting to just see kind of the culture change and the dynamics of the country change. And you're like, Oh, you're still kind of doing the same routine.

And I don't think it works the same in this new, uh, climate. I remember saying about John Stewart that when he first came back to the daily show, I watched like the first couple episodes of it and I said, it felt like somebody trying to stick a 2004 shaped object into a 2024 shaped hole. Like this just doesn't work anymore. That when,

when John Stewart was hosting the daily show back in the day, he was kind of like the only alternative to the news. There was the news and then there was this one guy kind of talking about the news, making fun of everybody within the news, but cut to 20 years later. And there's an entire internet full of people who do this. They're like in 2005, podcasts weren't a thing. There was no such thing as people who were just talking about the news outside

of kind of the mainstream. That's all over now. And in fact, the shows online are doing way bigger numbers than the corporate media are. And they're having long form conversations. You're, you can listen to experts really dissect everything that's going on. And after all of that, John Stewart showing an out of context clip of Fox news and then making fun of them is just not just doesn't have the same energy behind it that it used to. Anyway, likewise, watching Barack Obama's speech, it was it's interesting the formula that he uses.

Barack Obama is an unbelievable public speaker is just unbelievable. God-given talent, a certain charisma that most politicians would absolutely kill for. And he's just got it. Whatever that skill is, he gets an a plus plus on it, but it's not, it's not an issue of substance. He's not like great at writing speeches that have a lot of substance to them. In fact, there's almost none. And that's, I, it's,

I remember this from his 2004 democratic national convention speech and then his 2008, um, except in speech where he, you know, would just, it Barack Obama speeches are kind of like, um, they're always empty of anything actually being said, but they're, but the prose is beautiful. And it's, it's, it's all, um, like it's all designed to kind of tug at your emotions. He's very effective at that. It's the old Barack Obama, you know, I love this country and so do you. And so does John McCain. The men and women who have died for this party have been Republicans and Democrats and independents. They may have had different

beliefs, but they fought together and they bled together and they died together. They did not die defending a red America or a blue America, they died defending the United States of America. You know, it's just, it just pulls at your insides. However, when you look at that under a microscope, you're kind of like, oh, he said absolutely nothing. Nothing was actually said. It was just like, yay, we're all good together. Let's not be separate. Let's be together.

And anyway, his speech last night, it was a lot of that. let's be together. And anyway, his speech last night, it was a lot of that. It was, it was 35 minutes or so of, you know, like, it's almost, um, like if you think about like, uh, like a rapper, you know, there's like the skill of rhyming words together. And then there's the skill of like saying something really cool while you're rhyming words together. So if you're just looking at the skill of like saying something really cool while you're rhyming words together. So if you're just looking at the sport of rhyming, he's the best. He's just unbelievable at that. And there's something that anybody who wants to be an effective public communicator

can learn from that because they're, they're all, you always kind of need that element too. Like I'm not suggesting like, uh, some, like there might be some brilliant economist out there, but he couldn't get up on stage and give a speech that's really going to get people motivated about his new economic policy. If he's just, you know, breaking down, you know, like curves on a chalkboard or something. Um, so anyway, it, it was amazing to watch this. Um, especially just kind of knowing all the stuff I know now and the country going in the direction that the country's gone in where you're like, I just, I,

I don't think, um, I don't think people are full or fooled by that type of stuff in the same way that they were back in 2008 and 2008 was a long time ago. And you know, the country was in a drastically different place. Um, uh, as I mentioned before, they didn't have the alternative voices that we have today and there just wasn't nearly as much, um, distrust and anger at the establishment.

And I think that now obviously the speech killed in the room, obviously the corporate media is going to say this was the greatest thing ever. But there is there's just too much distrust for like an empty suit to come up and just kind of say nice sounding things, especially when there's just so much bullshit. I mean, he started off the speech by praising Joe Biden and how Joe Biden put his country before himself. And it was the rarest thing in politics for someone to do what's right for their country rather than their own, you know, their own desire for to advance their career or something like that.

But that's just so ridiculous. I mean, we all got anybody who's paying attention, particularly people really paying attention. If you read Cy Hirsch is reporting, I mean, Barack Obama strong armed him into that. They threatened to invoke the 25th amendment and remove him from presidency unless he agreed, which it's not clear exactly when he agreed, but unless he agreed to drop out of the race. So this guy, it's just such dirty politics. Like this dude will force you out of the race behind closed doors is like an assassin. And then he gets up there and sings your praises and all of this. It was just ridiculous.

Joe Biden, even after that debate performance in the face of being clearly senile, he still insisted on running. He still insisted for weeks after the debate that he was running. Even when the big donors turned on him, even when the corporate media turned on him, when his own party turned on him, he still insisted. And it wasn't until that Barack Obama phone call that they finally got him out of there. And then a letter was drafted, which is very unclear that Joe Biden drafted or signed that letter. But anyway, so it was just a lot of that. And so 35 minutes of Barack Obama doing what he does best, and certainly got the crowd going. I mean, the convention is in Chicago, where Barack Obama is from kind of, you know, I think he grew up in Kansas, but then moved

to Chicago or whatever. But certainly that's where he was a community organizer and a state senator. He's got real roots in that in that city. They loved him. They are there's like, I'm just saying there's no, it was no better home court that you could have than the Democratic National Convention in Chicago for Barack Obama. But what's interesting to me is to see, you know, to, to kind of revisit this thing, I think for people who are, who are younger, I know we have a fair amount of like younger people who listen to the show. I think that if you weren't like really around and an adult in 2008, you may forget what a cultural phenomenon Barack Obama was. It was incredible. This

guy, you know, won a landslide election. Before he won the landslide election, he took out Hillary Clinton, who was the overwhelming presumed favorite in that race going into it. He was the real underdog. And he beat her and then went and destroyed John McCain and came in with extremely high approval ratings. I don't know. I'd have to double check immediately after 9 11 had the highest approval ratings ever. But I think second highest to that was Obama when he first came in. And a huge part of that was this skill that he has this kind of ability to be a very powerful public speaker. I just maybe it's my own bias. I just felt like much like with watching John Stewart as like I don't think that has the same impact. I don't think it has the same impact today that it did back then. I think there's just, um, there's too much anger at the establishment. Anyway, this was not the opinion of the, uh, the corporate media afterward.

I always found, I found this one clip to be very interesting. Here's a van Jones reacting to Barack Obama's speech. Here's Van Jones reacting to Barack Obama's speech. Van Jones, President, Barack Obama's Speech Michelle Obama's speech was probably the most effective, powerful political speech I've ever heard. It was rather remarkable. I didn't know how much I missed them. I missed them. I missed that. I miss hearing that. I miss them. I miss them. I miss that.

I miss hearing that. Biden did something important last night and he transferred the machinery of the party to Kamala Harris. The Obamas renewed the magic of the movement. That's what they were transferring. And they did it beautifully. They did it powerfully.

did it beautifully. They did it powerfully. Obama used nostalgia in a beautiful way. He didn't say, make America great again, we're going to go back. He reminded everybody of the best things about our families, about our neighborhoods. That was beautiful. And then Michelle, she wasn't doing the minister role. She was really doing the coaching role in that she called it right out. She said, you guys, you know, she talked about the affirmative action of generational wealth. She talked about the luxury of whining and cheating that other people don't have, but she didn't stop there. She also called the left up and she said the whining on the left needs to stop. She's a Goldilocks, they're not perfect. This was a masterful act of leadership. It was a sacred task. They took it on well. It was like an oasis. I didn't

realize I had been in a spiritual desert until they created that oasis on that stage and they did a beautiful job tonight. David? Look. All right. So that's, I'm sure those are you guys who are like regular listeners of the show can already tell why it is exactly that. I just love that clip, but it's a, it's a theme that I've been talking about for many years. Um, but it's just like, look, man,

statism is a religion and for anybody who thinks they should be in different categories, you're not getting it. You're not getting it. They're the same exact thing. This, this shit is a religion. And if you, if you think about this, like these purely emotional appeals that have nothing to do with anything and nothing, literally nothing of substance, they're not even pretending there's anything of substance in there. It's just like how great it made me feel.

And it reminded us of the best of us and what we can be if we're together. And you know, Michelle Obama just handled it just right. You know, she's she criticized the right, but then she also criticized the left wingers who are protesting and all this. And you're like, yeah. So what, what, what's the actual message there? Fall in line and support the establishment. Wow. So support our version of the establishment. Yeah. Okay. What's the beautiful message there? Hey, you dumb protesters outside who are real pissed off that we're slaughtering all these babies in Gaza. Stop complaining about that and support Kamala Harris. And also you Republicans are racist. So don't support them. Support Kamala Harris. And you know, this stuff with even

the way he describes Barack Obama as all of a sudden, nostalgia is great. Make America great again is horrible, but nostalgia when Obama does it is great. You see, there's they have the mean old racist nostalgia, but we have the compassionate, wonderful nostalgia of everything great, everything we could be. It's all it's all just fluff and nonsense. And you can see Van Jones is like genuinely emotional about it. And it's like because he's at his church. He's at his church. And this is, these are the good guys who represent the, the Holy team and they're all saying nice things, but there's nothing of actual substance. And this ultimately was the major problem with Barack Obama.

Cause the problem is like, once you remove all this warm, fuzzy fluff, you're left with nothing. The guy was president for eight years. And at the end of his eight years, Donald Trump was elected president. Doesn't that just on its own tell you something went wrong? Like from your own, from the Democrats perspective, something here didn't go so good. What was that exactly? It's like, oh yeah, well, okay. So Barack Obama came in and he kind

of, and by the way, this is, you know, I'm, I'm clouded by my own feelings on this, but I just hate Barack Obama so much. And one of the major reasons why I hate him so much is that I, I do hold him responsible probably more than anyone else for the mess of where the country is right now. And that's debatably unfair. You know, certainly Bush and Cheney deserve a lot of responsibility for it. There's a lot of other people involved too, but you know, as flawed as the American system is, and that is probably the major theme of this show is how flawed this, this system is. But for however flawed it is, the way it works is essentially it's, uh, there's, there's this, um, I don't know, this, this unit party,

there's two different wings of the same bird. There's Democrats and Republicans on the issues that really matter. They're all in complete agreement. And then they fight like hell about five or six issues that just don't matter as much. Um, I shouldn't say there are some issues they fight on that do matter, but the things that matter, that powerful interests care about, they're all together on. There's, there's no, it's not like one of them is for drastic cuts in the military budget and the

other ones for increases. So they're both for increases. It's not like one of them is for, you know, like sound money and the other ones for a central bank fiat currency. They're both for a central bank fiat currency. They're both for increases in government spending. They're both for, you know, like big corporate bailouts and corporate welfare and all that type of shit on all those issues that really, really matter. All the issues that are destroying the country, they're all together. You know, we have $35 trillion of debt in this country. And who's responsible for that?

The Democrats or the Republicans? Oh, yeah, both of them. They're all together on this. And but whatever. But within the system, the way it typically works is if people get real furious with one side, they vote in the other side, and you're supposed to kind of be a counter. And, and maybe if you keep the thing going, they at least throw the peasants, you know, a few things that they would care about to keep the whole machine going. And that's why Barack Obama

essentially was elected. He was really great at giving speeches. And that's why Barack Obama essentially was elected. He was really great at giving speeches, and he was the most opposite thing from George W. Bush that Americans could find. The liberal junior senator, constitutional scholar, who seemed to be much, you know, more intelligent and deeper than George W. Bush, and he was elected to end the bush wars

That's what he ran on was ending the wars closing Guantanamo Bay restoring habeas corpus a repudiation of the Bush administration and Then he got elected and he continued or accelerated all of the worst of the bush policies Kept the war in Iraq going surged in the war in Afghanistan, started the war in Libya, started the war in Syria, started the war in Yemen, just continued the war machine, continued the bailouts of the big banks, and just failed on everything. And then as he was going into his second term, because he had failed on everything, they

just pivoted to like woke ism. It just, it went away from being like anti-war pro civil liberties to just being like, we're calling everybody racist or a transphobe or something like that. And so when the country got George W. Bush, who by the way, promised to run as a small government president, who didn't want to use the military for nation building and stuff like that. They get the worst of the Bush-Cheney administration. Then they go, let me go in the other direction. Let's go all the way over here.

They get just more of a continuation of the Bush administration. Plus, they're being lectured about what racist assholes they were. These people who have like, why do you think the entire Rust Belt went for Donald Trump? The people who had lost everything in the 08 recession, they got nothing and then just got lectured for it. So it's like almost like the country went so radical that they were like, well, how do we go? What's the most anti Obama thing we can go with now? What's the okay going Bush didn't work going anti Bush didn't work. And this is ultimately what laid the groundwork for Donald Trump to be president. And you know,

in some ways there were some good things about Donald Trump. Um, but and a much deeper sense, we never get to Donald Trump being president unless our country was in a profoundly unhealthy situation already. And so I just hold a lot of blame for Obama for that. All right, guys, country was in a profoundly unhealthy situation already. And so I just hold a lot of blame for Obama for that. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Delta eight. This is for responsible, sorry, which is yo Delta. This is for responsible adults over the age of 21 living in states where Delta

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But anyway, then he comes back to make like a big speech now. It's like, is any of that addressed? Is any of it? No, not at all. He just says empty nothingness, nice things about how we should all be together. And that's enough to get Van Jones crying and like, oh, I didn't realize what a spiritual desert I was in until the Obama's came back into my life. And the truth is that while a lot of people do get moved by this kind of emotionalism, it's not nearly as important to most voters as just like their

bottom line. It's just like, I don't know, man. I just, like most people, most people in America, what don't know, man. I just like most people, most people in America don't really care about politics. Certainly not the way I do. And not the way that people who listen to this show do the people in America for the most part care about like how much their mortgage costs, you know, are they able to send their kids to a decent school? Can they put away enough money for, for college, for their kids, maybe get a vacation in that would be nice. you know, are they able to send their kids to a decent school? Can they put away enough money for, for college for their kids, maybe get a vacation in that would be nice.

You know, like these are the things people care about. People care about the fact that their grocery prices, their grocery bills are skyrocketing. That's the thing that actually moves the needle. And I just think, I just think there's something here that's like empty. And I don't, and I, and I don't think it's going to work. I, in other words, I don't think it's going to help Kamala Harris. Any, I don't think this speech or van Jones being emotional. I don't think it does anything for her also because, which will be, um,

kind of a theme on this, but I don't, there's something about endorsements that just don't work. Um, I was talking about this when I was on Tucker Carlson show, uh, the other day, but anyway, this topic did come up. So let's transition to this. There have been, um, increasingly loud whispers that, uh, Bobby Kennedy jr is going to drop out and endorse Donald Trump. Um, this I've heard, let's just say,

I've heard from some people for weeks now about this. I didn't think it was going to happen. Um, from what I, from, from what I know of Bobby Kennedy, from the conversations I've had with him, it seemed like this whole time he absolutely had the mentality that he was running to win. Um, and that he was not running, uh, just to spread a message or something like that. Uh, I, you know, I, I've talked to him, you know, several times off camera.

Um, this is going back months and months ago. Uh, this was last year, but that was just always what I thought his mentality was. And I kind of felt that part of, you know, probably being a Kennedy and being in that family, I could see where you'd have a real belief in yourself that like, no, I'm not just here to send a message. I'm here to win. And that was his attitude in every conversation I've ever had with him. And so I just kind of dismissed it.

I was like, I don't I don't see him dropping out and endorsing Trump. However, this week, Nicole Shanahan, his vice presidential candidate who we've we've had on the show, who I like very much, she seemed to signal towards something else. So let's let's play that clip. What my gut tells me right now is that we just have to keep being honest. I got to just keep being honest. I got to keep focusing on what matters the most outside of party lines.

I need to focus on a vision that goes beyond November. And if that means that we stay in and, you know, there's benefits to staying in. If we get over 5% of the vote, we actually establish ourselves as a party. 71% of Americans want a strong third party with a real shot at winning. There's even public funds available if we get over five percent of the vote. So we could get, I think it's like 13 and a half million dollars

in public funds to keep the party going. And that's worth something. That means that we can position for a real third party election in 2028 where we don't have to go around and spend tens of millions of dollars on ballot access, which means that we can spend all of that time and money campaigning. So, you know, there's two options that we're looking at. And one is staying in forming that new party, but we run the risk of a Kamala Harris, Kamala Harris and Walt's presidency because we draw votes from Trump or we draw somehow more votes from Trump or we walk away right now and join forces with, with Donald Trump.

And, and, you know, we walk away from that and we explain to our base why we're making this decision. Um, not an easy decision. Now, okay. So I mean, I don't know how to take that other than RFK is going to drop out and endorse Donald Trump. Because I mean, I'm not saying like, I think is a, is a genuine person. I don't know her super well. I met her at the libertarian party convention and then I, I hosted her on the show a couple months back. Um, but I I'm not saying an independent, uh, ticket. They don't typically have the message discipline of the, the big two parties,

but you typically don't talk like that unless it's already a foregone conclusion that you're doing it. I mean, it's a weird, it's a weird thing for someone who's running on a third party to start talking about how like, well, you know, there's a debate between whether we should drop out and support this one side or keep running our, our campaign. I mean, you get matching funding if you break 5%, that's, that's something, but you know, you're taking funding if you break 5%. That's, that's something. But you know, you're taking the risk that Kamala Harris and walls could get in. It was like, clearly, you know, you can't, you can't run as a third party for president and say

there is clearly like out of the two major parties, one of them is clearly a better alternative to the other. And the question in our mind now is should we risk the future of the United States of America or should we help out this clearly better option that I don't know. I mean, like if I'll just say it like this, if RFK wasn't planning on dropping out and endorsing Donald Trump, you'd have to think he'd be furious that she's out even saying that because that's not what your vice president isn't supposed to go out and say It's I don't know whether we should be running or not you know like your your vice president is supposed to be making the case for why people have to vote for you and You know, that's not exactly what she's doing here

so After seeing that I'm left to assume that that's what we're going to see. Bobby Kennedy dropping out and endorsing President Trump. The question is, which I suppose is what connects me talking about Obama's speech and talking about Nicole Shanahan, is what does any of this really mean? Does any of this really change the dynamics in the race? You know, as is Van Jones, right? That Barack Obama's speech just like reinvigorated the Kamala Harris campaign.

What did he say? Joe Biden transferred the machinery over to Kamala Harris, and now Obama just brought the movement to her. Is that right? Did he just bring a movement to Kamala Harris? And does Bobby Kennedy dropping out and endorsing Donald Trump, does this now throw all of his support behind Donald Trump? I believe the answer is no on both counts. I don't think any of it really matters that much. I think that endorsements don't really work. And there's a fair amount of evidence to back this up. If you look at Barack Obama for the Democrats going back in the last 20 years,

if you were to say who is the rock star in the Democratic Party, there is no question about it. It is Barack Obama. Over the last 20 years, he who is the rock star in the democratic party, there is no question about it. It is Barack Obama over the last 20 years. He has been the rock star. Yeah, they can say Joe Biden got a lot of votes, uh, in 2020, but come on, Joe Biden never had the type of love and admiration from voters that Barack Obama had. Most of the people who supported Joe Biden supported him because he was the not

Trump candidate. That was not the case with Barack Obama. People loved him. But go look at the track record of the people he's endorsed. It's hit or miss. Some, some of the people he endorsed get it in a whole lot of them don't. And it's not very clear that his endorsement makes a big difference. Same with Donald Trump, by the way, on the Republican side, Donald Trump is just amongst Republican voters, essentially their God. They love that guy. Just talking Republican voters now.

He's got like a 90 something percent approval rating amongst Republicans. The candidates he endorses, hate or miss, because endorsements just don't work that way. And it's true in life in general, like endorsements just don't. For people. And it's true in life in general, like endorsements just don't, if, if, for people who are watching this show right now, for the people who are huge fans of mine, the guys I'm talking to you, hardcore listeners, they're guys who never miss an episode. Um, you might be a huge, huge fan of mine. And if I go, Hey, you got to check out this other show. I endorse that guy.

Does that mean you automatically become a huge fan of that guy? Do you now never miss an episode of that guy's show? No, it doesn't really work like that. Now, maybe my enthusiasm, my enthusiastic endorsement could at best at best get you to take a look at that guy and go, I'm not up there. I really liked some, maybe I'll check him out. And after you check him out, if you like his stuff too, you might go, okay, but that's cause you liked it. It's not, it's not as if somebody could love you and it's not necessarily transferable.

You can't just say, give me the love, all that love you have for me. I'll take that and use that on this person. That's just not the way love works. You know, it's like, it's not, and it's not the way politics works either. And I just don't, I could be wrong about this. I don't think, um, the mentality that Bobby Kennedy dropping out is going to have some huge impact in helping Donald Trump. I just don't see that any more than Obama's having a huge impact helping Kamala Harris. The people that people have this like a perception, they have it about libertarians to where they think like you're taking votes

away from me. If this guy, let's say there are people, a libertarian is running for candidate for office, and they're they're pulling at like 2%. Republicans often have the idea that they're like, oh, that's 2% you took away from us. And if they lose by 1%, they're like, see, the libertarian cost me. He cost me the election. He took 2% from me and I only lost by 1%. I would have won by 1% if we had had their votes. But the flawed assumption in that is that they were your votes and they were being taken away from you. Every single person, every single human being who is voting or planning on voting for Bobby Kennedy is already full aware that Donald Trump is an option. They're aware. They know. They've choosing to vote for someone

else. They're also aware that the alternative is Kamala Harris They know that too. And so they're choosing they're making a calculation that they don't want to vote for either of those two people They will vote for somebody else and there's no Law of nature that says if Bobby Kennedy pulls out that they then have to go vote for either of the two major parties They might vote for another third party. They may not vote at all. Now, I'm not saying there, there might be some amount of votes that end up going to Trump, but again,

all RFK can do is drop out and endorse that guy. But again, an endorsement, it's not, it doesn't work that way. It's not like fully transferable. And so it's not as if, you know, just because he drops out, think about it like this. What is it that so many people love about Bobby Kennedy? Well, like, okay. One of the things they love about him is that he's a, he's an intelligent guy. He's clearly a very well read guy, um, who speaks about issues in an

in-depth way and seems to know what he's talking about on the issues that he cares about. Are people who are drawn to that going to be drawn to Donald Trump? I kind of doubt it. What's the other thing they love about him that he was a relentless critic of the COVID administration, particularly the COVID vaccine. Donald Trump is still out bragging about how he was the guy who launched operation warp speed. And he's still bragging about what a great job they did on COVID. Is he going to get those enthusiastic people who hated lockdowns and vaccine

mandates to vote for him now? I doubt it. There's all, all of this stuff of being like anti war and anti corruption. I mean, okay, Bobby Kennedy is not so anti war when it comes to Israel, but he is when it comes to Ukraine. And that's not really Donald Trump's, Trump's not really running on that. Um, he did say some good stuff about it last year, but recently hasn't been too great. So I just, I'll say, I guess to wrap up this, uh, part of the segment, I will say, I don't think any of this means much. I just, I think, I think that

you just can't, whatever magic Barack Obama has, I don't think you can just transfer that to Kamala Harris. And whatever magic Bobby Kennedy has, I don't think you can just transfer that to Kamala Harris. And whatever magic Bobby Kennedy has, I don't think you can just transfer that to Joe Biden. What's more likely is that if Bobby Kennedy drops out and endorses Donald Trump, Bobby Kennedy could get himself a job in a Trump administration if Trump is to win. That seems to be more the play here in terms of what actually like tangibly could come out of this. Maybe that's a good thing. I don't know. Maybe, maybe Trump would put Bobby Kennedy in charge of something that he'd be really good at. Probably have something to do with like health or,

you know, I don't know, something like that, some type of vaccine oversight commission or something like that. Maybe that's a good thing. I don't know exactly what the calculation is of, of how worth it that would be compared to whatever value there is in Bobby Kennedy running a third party challenge. But I guess a couple of things I'll say is that number one, he's almost certainly going to drop out and endorse Donald Trump. By the way, just to be clear, I am saying this with absolutely no knowledge of the situation other than what I'm telling you right now. I haven't spoke to Bobby Kennedy in quite a long time.

He texted me after I debated Chris Cuomo and said, great job in that. And I thanked him. And that was the last time we spoke. I haven't talked to him about any of this. I haven't talked to Nicole about any of this. I haven't talked to her since when she was on the show, but I'm just saying, looking at that interview, the signal's pretty clear. They're going to drop out and endorse Donald Trump.

I don't think it's going to be a game changer for the election. Um, I, I don't think Obama speaking is going to be a game changer for Kamala Harris. The only thing I've seen, um, recently that I think might be a game changer in this election is that the they just had a new jobs report that said that they were there was something 800,000 plus jobs let shy of what the previous jobs report had claimed. So essentially the economy is much worse than what the Biden administration was trying to convince everybody. It was,

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there's so after, since doing this, uh, Twitter spaces with a Candace Owens and Andrew Tate the other day, which by the way, I was only on for a few minutes. Um, or maybe a little bit more than a few minutes, but I think I was on for a half hour or something like that. And, um, so I, it's been a kind of frenzied response from that. I've gotten all types of, you know, uh, gotten all types of attacks from people who are saying, Oh,

you're hanging out with these Jew haters and all of this. And then today I also realized that now I'm getting criticized, uh, from the other, uh, direction, which right away is, I don't know, always just somewhat amusing to me. It's amusing to be attacked from all different angles. But I did find this to be, I was a little bit surprised. I have never had any animosity toward Nick Fuentes. We've done a few shows together and we debated once, but it's been years since

we did anything together. But I, you know, I'd never gone out of my way to criticize him and I don't think he's gone out of his way to criticize me. And I did think to some degree, there was always some mutual respect there. So I was a little surprised that I started getting tagged on Twitter where he had said something about, let me hear instead. I don't want to misquote him.

So let me, I'll read it one second. So he had said, so we're all going to pretend that Dave Smith is the red pill guy and not a libertarian Jew who is willing to talk about neocons and deflect accusations of anti-Semitism. I like him, but let's be honest. So that was what Nick said to me. We went back and forth a few times. It's up there on Twitter if you care to look at it, but somebody did send me this video. So I thought maybe it was worth it to play it and kind of give my thoughts. I'll preface before we play it by saying that I've always

when. You know, I've I've always had kind of an interesting relationship with some of these more like, you know, the the guys who were in the alt right, as they used to call it back in the day and and the groipers and Nick Fuentes. I think part of it from from my perspective is that I'm very focused on true evil things that I think really matter. And so I'm kind of, if you watch this show, I'm always laser focused on things like war and government corruption, government corruption and like tyrannical policies.

And then over the years, just whatever, there's been plenty of those. There's been the America has been at war since I was 18 years old, at least, and they've been catastrophic and disastrous and hundreds of thousands of people have been killed and trillions of dollars have been wasted and there's just all types of government corruption and like things that really ruin people's lives. Of course, there's the lockdowns and things like this and just all these horrible policies have been going on. And that's usually the stuff that I'm railing against. And when you're laser focused on this level of

like evil corruption, and then people always kind of want you to be outraged about what some right wingers is saying, Oh my God, did you see the alt right? Like we were talking about on the last show, Joe Biden starts off talking about Charlottesville. Did you see these 200 people had him had a rally in 2017 and you're like, what, how am I even supposed to work up energy about that when there's just things that matter so much more? Um, so that's kind of always been how I feel about these guys. And particularly with Nick Fuentes, one of the things, you know, I, maybe I, because I have this perspective where I am focused on things that are actually horrifically evil and actually really matter and destroy people's lives. just I'm somewhat inoculated against particularly people who are like

apologists of the regime, then telling me, no, you have to condemn this guy. You have to talk about how horrible what this guy said was. And so that's part of it. And then the other thing is that I just, I have a background as a standup comedian. I've been in the comedy world for nearly 20 years now, and I just kind of assess things in a different way. And one of the things that I, you know, it's like for all the people who, there are people who really love Nick Fuentes,

and there are people who really hate Nick Fuentes. And it's, one of the first things that I always assessed about the guy was that he's really talented. It's something you just learn like from being in the comedy world is from like the time you're very new in it, as you come up, you just kind of assess like who's good

and who's not good. Forget whether they're your cup of tea or that you, or even in this world, whether you agree with them on stuff. It's just like, oh, he's really good at what he does. He's a very good broadcaster and he's got like an incredible I Don't even know the best way to say this but he's whatever the force is of like

What Rob said the other day the the playing a video game with like a headset Like the way people just shit on each other and on like that like that type of humor He just has complete control of that force. He's very good with it and there is something I'll just say I always respect funny people. That's something that comedians have This has been it's been true since when I was a first when I first started out as a comedian I got taken in by a whole bunch of really great comedians because they liked that I was funny. And then I've done the same thing with other, you just see a new guy who's like just really funny and you're like, yeah, come here, grab a drink. Like I want to talk to you. I don't know. So anyway, I've never, that's always kind of been my attitude toward him. I'm

not like outraged and appalled over the things he's saying. I you know, there's some stuff I don't love that I disagree with there's some stuff where I think he's making really good points But anyway, just that's just where I'm coming from or have been but anyway So this is what he had to say about the Twitter spaces or the I don't know the broader theme of the people criticizing Israel today You know and it'd be one thing. I didn't really have a problem with it when they were talking about Jews. But the second that you start to say, Oh, it's Frankists. It's like, okay,

so what are we really doing here? Like, is this a movement for Americans and Christians, or is this just like another bullshit fusionist movement? We talk about everything other than the real problem. We just do it by insinuation and cleverness. And, you know, we affirm the current matrix by acting as though we have to have Jews there to give us plausible deniability.

And, you know, we're going to insist that we're not racist. Like, so I'm just so sick to my stomach of that stuff. And it's like, you know, like we don't really need that. Like, you know, I think they need the Groypers more than we need them. Like, yeah, thanks. I know you got red pill three months ago. Thanks, but no thanks.

Like if you're not ready to go all the way, if you're not really to really go in on the issue, and if you're still playing these games, it's kind of like, you know, thanks, but no thanks. I think we were doing just fine. I think we were doing just fine. Before we had all these people who I don't really know and I don't really trust and they want to come in with half measures. They want to back the fuck down in the middle of it. You know, they got out of their contract. Now they want to walk it back. Oh, it's not Jews. It's Frank. I read two books and now

it's Frank is the Russian revolution happened in the 1880s. No, it didn't happen in 1917. Okay, like, you know, how to trick was a Jew and the earth is flat. It's like, yeah, you know, actually, thanks. But until we can get our facts right and until we can really fucking commit and until we can give credit to the real patriots, not a bunch of Jewish libertarians or liberals, like, yeah, thanks, but no thanks. Like I kind of no longer support that stuff. So I don't know, I'm really, I was patient. I gave it a chance. It's not working out, you know? And I'm not gonna look, and I like the people involved. You know, it's better than the alternative. I'm not going to look and I like the people in Vi, you know, there it's better than the alternative. I'm not trying to be picky or whatever, but you know, maybe they mean well, maybe these people mean well, maybe they're on their journey.

Well, you know what? Call me when you get to the finish line. OK, because the Groypers figured it out a long time ago. The Groypers made a lot of sacrifices. A lot of young men have had their lives ruined over this stuff, including me. And no one's really defending them or speaking out for them. They want us to retweet their stuff. They want us to retweet their shit, you know, but no one's really sticking up for us or them.

They still haven't caught up to where we are. Or if they did, they unlearned what they learned and you know we just don't really need that we don't really need that muddying the waters you know i'm done like i'm taking my own side groipers have to take our own side we don't need other people to come in and talk about our issues and then tell us actually it's the Frank guests. No, it fucking isn't. So all right. We can pause right there for a second.

So I mean, look, Candice has her theory about it being the Frank guests or whatever. I don't really know enough about it. And I haven't done deep dives on this stuff. So I can't really like take a hard line position on either of those. I think if, uh, I think Nick has a very, um, kind of egocentric view of this. I, look, just objectively speaking here,

I don't think Candice is trying to come in and take the Groypers and steer them in a direction Candace has an audience many many many times bigger than me and Nick Fuentes combined that that's just the truth I don't see it as anyone coming in and speaking to your issue there's a Huge war on right now that America is supporting and that that issue is not owned by you and your followers and Also, it's an issue. I've been talking about since before I knew who Nick Fuentes was so all of the framing of this to me is just wrong and if If the implication here is that well, these guys are selling out because they're not just blaming the Jews

Also consider the possibility that we just disagree with you on that. We don't think that's actually right. Right. I'm pretty sure that's where Candice is. That's certainly where I am. Um, there are like, there, there is this, uh, built in, uh, assumption that again, it's, and this is the weird thing about being in a position where I am when you're, uh, when you're like opposed to the weird thing about being in a position where I am. When you're, uh, when you're like opposed to the warfare state and the neo cons and central banks

and the corporate media, but, uh, and you're also Jewish. You're in this weird situation where then there will be people out on the right who say like, well, look, it's all a bunch of Jews who run this stuff. So the Jews are the problems. And if you then want to be like, uh, well, nah, I don't really think that's true. I don't really think it's fair to like blame Jews for those problems. It is true that there's a disproportionate amount of Jews in these industries. It is even true that their Jewish identity might play a role in why they feel the way they feel, but that also doesn't follow from there that regular Jewish people should be implicated in that. And of course, when you play this,

as I've made the point before, you just get sucked into this like heads I lose, tails you win game, where if you say that, they go, aha, so that's why a Jew's out there saying this to try to turn the temperature down or something like that. But of course, this is just circular logic. You're just assuming you are right. And therefore,

if anyone's not saying what's right, they're backing down. They're, they're softening the message or something like that, or taking your message, but leaving out the edgiest parts of it. The other possibility is that that shit's just not right. It just doesn't make sense and it's not good or correct. So I don't know. All right, let's keep playing. So I don't know who's saying that. I don't know if that's well-meaning. I don't know if that's, you know, cowardice or if that's ignorance. Either way, ain't nobody got time

for that. It is 2024. We all got red-pilled a long time ago. I've been saying it for a long time If you don't know by now, you're pretty stupid And you know if you know better then It's dishonest Trying to be clever So but either way it's like you know what it's time for just the real deal You know like look if you're honest about this stuff,

you become a liability. Then people start to say, well, maybe if I went clever, maybe if I got clever, then there wouldn't be such a liability. Well, the moment you stop getting attacked and being a liability is the moment that you're no longer effective in telling the truth. So anyway, I don't know if that makes sense, but.

No, let's pause it for a second because I do like it. It does and it doesn't. It's like the thing about it is is that it's not as black and white as saying that like, oh, well, like you, you either tell the truth and then you become a liability or you don't tell the truth to make sure that you're not a liability. In reality, there's a way to try to tell the truth while also not necessarily engaging in the ugliest things that you don't think are the truth and trying to package it in a way that could actually be absorbed by people. You know,

like this thing where Nick says that like everybody got red-pilled a long time ago, one of the traps that young radical right-wingers fall into is that, and part of this is because of like the censorship regime, which has been really horrible, uh, is just wrong. Like it's just wrong what they've done to people. And it also has like these perverse kind of, uh, consequences. But one of the things that happens and I'll remember back talking to Christopher

Cantwell. Um, and I'm not saying that Nick is the same as Christopher Cantwell or anything like that. I'm just saying that like this was, this was really eye opening for me to see. This was years ago. And it was right after Charlottesville. And I was talking to him about, you know, his experience being there. And for a moment, they're becoming like the most hated person in America. It was like kind of crazy.

And I remember he said to me at one point that he goes, he goes, you know, I really feel bad for you, Dave, because you're in a, in an uncomfortable situation where you're, uh, you're a Jew, but you're one of the good Jews. And when the ethno state rises, it's going to be, you're going to be in a tough situation. And like, I don't know, you know, if you're going to be allowed in or not, he goes, I'll certainly do everything I can for you but you know, it's gonna it's gonna be dicey and I remember saying to him I was like Chris I'm I'm

building a nice career for myself and you are surely going to end up dead or in jail and no ethno state is coming to the United States of America, like what world are you living in and Obviously in hindsight that's kind of exactly what happened. And I just say it to make the point that it's very easy when you're kicked out of these platforms and then you're just in your circle, uh, in your world to kind of start feeling like that is the world, but it's not. And objectively speaking, no, everyone hasn't been red-pilled years ago. A lot of people are just figuring this stuff out now. And again, Candice has a gigantic audience. There was like millions of people watch this Twitter spaces.

She's got millions of subscribers on YouTube and Spotify and all this stuff. She's one of the biggest shows in the country. And I think what a lot of these guys don't get when you're living in this world, like, no, everyone knows this. Everyone's already aware of this stuff. Like, no, they're not. No, they're not. And if you think that you're, you know, it's like, it's very easy, I think, for the Groyper types to start feeling like, Hey, look, we're the ones who got Donald Trump elected the first time. And we're the ones who are going to dictate what happens this next time. But that's just, it's not true. Baby boomers got Donald Trump elected.

People who are not at all connected to this world are, my world or your world. And when you go on these much bigger platforms, there's there's a reason and it's not simply because, you know, the Jews control everything or something like that. I mean, again, these things become kind of like circular reasoning if you're going to insist that that's always the answer. But the shows that are gigantic shows that have millions and millions of people watching them. Um,

there's a crossover effect there where they're talking to audiences that are way outside of our niche audiences. And the truth is that for the vast majority of those audiences, the racialism stuff is considered toxic to them. You may disagree with whether it should be or not. And you can even say with some degree of truth that this is partially because of years and years of propaganda and years of racism being presented as the most toxic trait. There's definitely some truth to that however You know if you go on the these big shows and like that's the message you want to bring it's not just like oh

You'll get canceled or they'll hold you down It's also like that message is just gonna be rejected now. I also happen to think it's partially because it's just not right. It doesn't actually make sense. There's not a solid argument behind it. And it leads people towards seeing patterns that in many instances don't actually exist. All right. Let's keep playing.

I'm just over it. Like, you know, people are looking for the more palatable, you know, more normie friendly, oh, less baggage. But it's like the moment that you stop getting the flack, it means you're not over the target. So where are the people that are just down for the struggle, man? I mean, I think the other Jake Shields down for the struggle, sneak go down for the struggle, Kanye down for the struggle. You know, so it's not totally rare, but when you know, you see a lot of these people, it's like, all right, already. All right, already, our country's being raped to death

by a Jewish mob. One of the things that I think Nick does is that he kind of in a weird way, whether intentionally or unintentionally, he kind of monetizes the cancellation. Like he's kind of so. So now it's that the people who are down for the struggle, the people who really suffer, they're obviously the truth tellers. And there's some like kind of surface level plausibility to this to say that, well, look, I mean, they're not shutting you up, but they are trying to shut me up. Look at what Kanye went through.

Look at what you know, what, what Fuentes went through or any of these guys. The problem is that that's not really logically sound and does like let me put it this way Does anybody listening to this for anybody who's like a fan of mine, you know? Through 2020 I was a huge critic of the lockdowns. Oh a lot of people did get canceled for that That was a pretty 2020 was probably the worst year for censorship and And a lot of people not like right wing racialists or something like that, but a lot of people like Alex Berenson and people all over doctors were getting canceled for all this stuff. Does anyone believe,

does anyone here believe that I couldn't have gotten canceled that year? If that was my goal, if my goal was, I'm going to get kicked off Twitter and YouTube. You want to hunt. Everybody here 100% knows that I could have done that. You had to be careful. I made it. I found the balance. I made it very clear. I was against all this stuff. I kind of didn't start talking about, let's say, um, uh, vaccine injuries until I felt like it wouldn't tank my whole

thing. I alluded to it and I railed against the mandates and talked about the lies in the propaganda of how they were selling it and how that wasn't really true. You know, there are calculations that are made anyway. The point I'm just making is this, say I had gotten canceled in 2020, which we all know I could have, if I had been reckless, would that have proved that I was more correct? No, it doesn't at all. And the fact is you're quoting people. When you quote people like Kanye, yeah,

there's probably a way that Kanye could have made the best of his points without shooting himself in the foot without causing himself so much struggle. And so the fact that you struggle doesn't prove that you're right. It doesn't prove that you're any more hardcore or that you're any more accurate. Maybe what it you know, like this is the thing that a lot of these guys do is they present something in a way where plausibly it seems like, oh yeah, there's only one answer here. But then when you really examine it, you realize, oh, there's like 15 different answers here. Maybe you were just a little self-destructive. Maybe there's a way you could have presented this in a better way. Now, again, I'm completely against these guys getting canceled as I have consistently been through all of this time. I

had Nick Fuentes on the show after he got kicked off YouTube because I wanted to talk to him about how fucked up I thought it was that he got kicked off YouTube. So again, it, it's not like an either or here. The censorship is bad. Also getting censored, doesn't prove that you're onto something more than the guy who didn't. And in a lot of the cases, a lot of times the reason why people get censored and get ostracized and get kicked out of different groups that they're in, sometimes it's cause they're just telling the truth. Sometimes it's cause they're just telling the truth.

Sometimes it's cause they're just telling the truth. And then they're also adding in with that truth, a bunch of really toxic ideas that are soundly rejected and make a lot of people go, Oh yeah, I don't want to work with that guy. Don't get me wrong. There's people who attempt to do this to me all the time. And from what I do in my comedy career and all of this, I, I, I'm not the most careful. I give them a lane where they can try to paint me as this, but I also do, you know, like when he's saying, let's like, Oh, everyone's

bending over backwards to point out that they don't really hate Jewish people. It's like, yeah, okay. But that doesn't necessarily prove that they're like weak and not willing to tell the truth. Maybe they just don't really hate Jewish people and they kind of want to let that be known. That's like, yeah, no, that's not what I'm saying. I think that's a more reasonable and frankly, a pretty good reason. Or it's a more reasonable explanation is what I mean to say. Anyway, let's, let's keep playing for another minute. But Gration, we're still playing fucking games enough already. I'm frustrated. I try, you know me like no one can say, no one can say we didn't give it a chance. How many months ago was that? What was that? Six months ago, five months ago, we gave it a chance. We were team players. We were cheerleaders and really had no reason to be other than that. It was for the greater

good, but we waited and we waited and we waited and we were good team players and we supported and you know, we put our egos aside. And it's not only not getting better, it's getting weirder and it's getting more wrong and it's getting worse. And people that really have no business in this are getting the red carpet treatment and people that really their sacrifice should be honored

are being ignored. And it's not right so that's how i feel so i don't want to see that shit on my timeline don't support that don't support that you know people are going around asking for retweets and stuff don't fucking support that stuff. Why would you go and listen to people that don't know what they're talking about? Debate Andrew Meyer. And by the way, I like the Tates and I like Dan Bilzerian.

I thought they held their own. You know, but why listen to someone say it's Frankis and bring in Andrew Meyer, who's she was well known in those circles and basically obfuscate the fucking issue when you can listen to a Twitter space with me and people that know what's up and are you know gonna say the score? They all want the gropers without Nick Fuentes. They want Fuentes ism without Fuentes. They want America first with that and they have tried so hard to get it from everybody else Doyle and American virtue and Vance and Yarvin and Bap and all this bullshit when are you just gonna go and get the real deal the one who's really independent the one that's really telling it like it is it's enough already so yeah that's how I feel so I said you know what's what's your criticism can you read I said, you know, what's your criticism? Can you read?

I said my criticism. I don't think we need, I think the last thing that this country needs is more media that's dominated by Jewish people and another conversation where we all have to prove how not antisemitic we are. I think we have enough of that. I think it's time for the Americans to get together and have a conversation about what's going on

without people that are there to point score, without people that are there who are clearly biased and not acting in good faith. I think that's the last thing that we need. So anyway, that's my criticism. And by the way, I have no ill will towards Dave Smith. I like him, but I think clearly his star is rising for a very obvious reason. For a very obvious reason. No one wants to say it because everyone wants to be cool and nice. You know me, I'll say it. I'll say what we're all thinking.

Tucker, Candace, you know, they bring Dave Smith on. Here's our token Jew to talk about the clean break memo. But let me know, how do you think? Okay. All right. We can, we can end it there. So I guess, I guess that's the, we all know why my star is rising. It's just cause I'm a Jew. There's everyone wants to bring on the token juice so they can talk about Israel with like a little added layer of protection. Like, but see, I don't hate Jewish people because this Jewish guy's right here next to me. That's why my star is rising. See, this is the problem with all this racialist shit. It all just,

it ends up making you stupid because you're already, yes, when you start with your conclusion, then it's very easy to work back to your conclusion. By the way, it is the same thing the woke left do. If you start with the conclusion that America is a racist country Then of course you can find examples of it over and over again And if you listen to like woke kids on college campus, this is like how the conversations will go It's like okay. The conclusion is obviously America's a racist country and look now. I have all this evidence for it. Well, look Some professor said an insensitive thing to a black student once or something.

It's like, yeah, because you're starting with your conclusion and then you're finding examples of that. Listen, it's just an interesting position that I'm in because the thing is when people talk about me, I have an advantage because I am me. So I just know the situation a little better. No, listen, first of all, Tucker found me on Rogan and he loved what I was saying about the war in Ukraine. This was, it had nothing to do with Israel, had nothing to do with any of that stuff. Tucker had me on, um,

and he wanted the whole, go watch the interview. I brought up Israel. He wasn't asking me about that. He wasn't trying to get me to talk about the clean break memo. I brought it up. I insist I was Tucker wasn't using me to talk about this stuff with the token Jew there. He didn't even ask about it. He wanted to talk about politics. He wanted to talk about the Trump assassination, Kamala Harris, what I think of this new ticket, what I think happened with Joe Biden.

And I was the one who kept bringing up the war in Gaza because I thought like, Hey, I'm on the biggest right wing platform. I want to make sure that they know that like the America first mentality is totally incompatible with supporting Israel. That was my decision. If anything I was using being on the biggest right-wing show in America Because I thought that was an important thing to say It wasn't trying to use me over that and as far as the stuff with Candice Owens I wasn't even literally the way I ended up on that stream was someone tagged me

they were Candice Owens post that she was doing a stream with those guys and Someone goes oh you should invite at comic Dave Smith. And she was like, of course, Dave's always invited. And I was like, Oh, okay, I'll jump on for a minute. And then I had to take my kids out for ice cream. So I left, she didn't bring me on to hide behind me being Jewish. Rogan was, this is how I, my rise to fame or whatever has come through relationships with Rogan, Tucker, Candace, Patrick, David, um, uh, Tim pool. Um, I'm, I'm sure I'm forgetting some people. I apologize if I am, but yeah,

I've made rounds on all of the big shows. I don't, with the exception of like zero hedge setting up debates or something like that, I don't think anybody has, uh, with Rogan. So sometimes Rogan will ask me to come on. Sometimes I'll ask Rogan if I can come back on cause I want to talk about this. The last two episodes where I talked about the Israel stuff were both me asking him. Both me. It was like when the war first broke out, I was like, Oh dude, let me come on and talk about this stuff. Cause like, I know, I know a lot about it. So like the, this will be a good conversation.

And then the, then he was just having so many people on who were like pro Israel that I was like, dude, can I come back on and I want to give the other side to this. And he was like, happy to have me on this. Like, I'm just saying I know the answers to this thing. And if you're, this mentality that like the reason I'm rising to fame is cause I'm a Jew, it's like, no, it's, And if you're this mentality that like the reason I'm rising to fame is cause I'm a Jew.

It's like, no, it's, it's because the reason why Fuentes and guys like him have been silenced and have been labeled priors is a lot of it's unfair. When he was a young guy, he said some shit and they like labeled him as, as a bigot and that, you know, I think was wrong. What Ben Shapiro said about Arabs is way more offensive than anything he's ever said. And Ben Shapiro wasn't kidding. But it's also because you're like you're harnessing that that magic of the video game, you know, shit talking. And I understand where that's real.

Believe me, that's the way me and my friends were in our twenties. Back then, it wasn't people weren't doing it on podcasts. We just did it at bars and shit, but it's the way we were. Um, I understand it, but in this world, it also, that is a huge liability. And the, a lot of people, whether for, whether it's completely fair or unfair, people do see the racialist shit as toxic. And a lot of people with big audiences don't want to have people on who embrace that shit.

So the fact that I present, like I present what I believe are true ideas and where we disagree, I don't think you're willing to tell the truth and I'm not, I think you're just wrong. But to sum that all up is like, I have my rise to fame because I'm a Jew. It's just, it's very convenient. It's a very convenient thing. Maybe it becomes a convenient excuse for maybe something that's a lot more easily explained, like just being a little bit bitter that somebody else is on a show that you kind of wanted to be on. Don't blame me for that, dude. It's like, listen, I'm not the guy. I didn't set up this censorship regime. I've railed against it.

Um, I'm not the one who did that. I I'm not the reason why you're not getting invited on these shows. And I don't think it's fair to take that energy you have and to then say, Oh, let me downplay what Dave's doing. Let me, let me downplay him. He's not really succeeding on his own merit. He's succeeding just because he's a Jew. By the way, there's also being a Jewish person who's very critical of Israel also comes with some baggage that isn't the most pleasant thing.

But the fact that I haven't gotten myself kicked off of platforms doesn't prove that you're right. And I'm just here because I'm a Jew. All right, let's wrap up the show there because we're over time and I got to run. Thank you everybody for listening. Please. If you want to catch all of the episodes live uncensored and ad free, go sign up at partoftheproblem.com. That's how you can support the show. All right. Catch you guys next time. Peace. Thanks for watching!