Part Of The Problem - Responding to Netanyahu on the Full Send Podcast

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

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the comedy mothership in a few weeks. You don't even need to plug that. It's true. No, at this point I'm just bragging. I'm not even, you missed it. Yes. I believe they are all sold out. I'll let you know if there sometimes, you know, there's somebody, I see a tweet or something like bought tickets and can't go or something like that. So if anything frees up, I will, I will let you know, but very much looking forward to that. It's always a real fun time to go do a weekend out there at the mothership. And then we do, we got stuff for the rest of the year. I know we got, um, off the top of my head, we got Tacoma and Spokane and a bunch of other fun

games. I know that's right. That's right. We're going back to side splitters, looking forward to all those. Oh, it's a lot of our favorite clubs there. So comic tape, Smith.com for all those ticket links, you know, I was, um, so anyway, I was doing, I did Pierce Morgan right before we recorded this show, uh, which is always a fun time. And actually my, uh, my debate opponent didn't make it to the show. So it was just a one-on-one with Pierce Morgan,

which the first time we've done that it was very fun. But so I'm in there, uh, the way it works on Pierce Morgan's thing is it's like you come on to, you know, sometimes like you're kind of like in a zoom, but the show's going on, like the show before you that he's recording. Cause he records them like back to back. And so I was watching the, the panel before me and it really was, it's, you know, they were debating Israel, Israel, Gaza. And it was just as I'm sitting there. So I'm just sitting here, watching the Piers Morgan show, but you're getting ready to go on. And it was just, uh, and I thought I was getting ready to go on for a debate at the time. Uh, but

you're watching it. And it was one of the things that I was really thinking of was just how, how difficult it is at this point for the defenders of Israel to even put up an argument. And it's just this guy, there's just one guy who's defending Israel and he's just getting creamed by everyone. And it's like, it's just, so I ended up talking about this a little bit with Pierce, but it was one of the things that just kind of came to me as I was watching this, but I was like, Pierce,

it's South Africa brought its case to the international court of justice in December of 2023. We're now what I don't know the, I'm not good with math, but what would that would make it 19 months later, right? It's a, it was December of 23. We are now in July of 25. And then the next month, the next month, the next month is the year that the idea of soldiers being given orders to shoot into the famished crowds. And then the next month, the next month, the next month is the year that the idea of soldiers being given orders to

shoot into the famished crowds. And then the next month, the next month, the next month is the year that the idea of soldiers being given orders to shoot into the famished crowds. And then the next month, the next month is the year that the idea of soldiers being given orders to Like all I'm saying is like when you're doing that 19 months after it was found that you were plausibly committing a genocide. And at the same time, again, 19 months after you were plausibly committing a genocide, you're setting up concentration camps and meeting around the world about where

you're going to cleanse these people to. It's just like, just on a pure like debate level, you were like, Jesus, what a tough hand this guy has, but he's got to come out here and argue on that side of, and of course, you know, of course the argument is like, or of course the point is like, just stop doing it, dude. Like you don't have to do that. You don't have to defend this. Like it's not that crazy to just go, yeah, they've gone way too far. They should stop. But this guy was trying, I guess, give him credit for that.

Man, was he just, just getting creamed. Um, but anyway, that was just on my mind. And of course the, the thing we were going to talk about on the show today is that yesterday Benjamin Netanyahu sat for, or yesterday it was released. I'm not sure when they recorded it, but yesterday there was a, an interview with Benjamin Netanyahu on the NELC boys because he knows like you can't rub. Just how hilarious is this?

Benjamin Netanyahu knows he's down big in the fourth quarter. He's losing public opinion. And so he takes it to the NELC boys to sit for tough question. I don't know. And it just seemed like a weird, like there's one thing when Donald Trump was on the campaign and he was doing everything. But for that to be like the show that Netanyahu comes on seemed very strange to me. Did you have any thoughts just when you heard that Netanyahu was going to be on this show or anything like that? Oh, I mean, this is already old news, but I think it really showcases just how much

of a moron Kamala Harris was that she couldn't swing sitting down for a podcast and coming. Nitin Yahoo can show up to a random American pop American podcast, just sit down, lie through his teeth for two hours and come off like, oh, that guy seems reasonable. And so firstly, I mean, the gauntlet is now down to any Democrat that if you're unable to just go on your typical American podcast and come off like a human being, you're not even it's now. I don't think English is his first language. No, he speaks very good English.

That's a big part of why he's the longest serving prime minister in Israeli history, though, is because he does speak the only a hint of a Hebrew accent I'm just saying if you're an American politician, you don't have to sell us on killing kids in Gaza and English is your first language You should be able to swing it No, it's a fair point that you're making like Netanyahu could look at Pete Buttigieg or Kamala Harris or something and be like I'm this is my second language and I'm actively committing a genocide and I pulled it off. So like, you know, and I don't know whether he pulled it off or not. I'm not so sure. You know, I think I'll say this before we even get into some of the clips I saw. Now I should preface by saying, I do not know who the NELC boys are.

That is not a comment on them at all. That's a comment on me. That's just, I just don't, I don't know. I don't know like the biggest, you know, pop musicians and I don't know a lot of stuff that's going on. So not at all a comment on them from what I understand they're a huge, huge show, but they're a show for young people. And I'm 42. I'm not, I'm not supposed to be listening to the NELK boys or watching the NELK boys. So I, I don't know their, their stuff or what, you know, I don't know about their show. Um,

I did see a lot of people were giving them heat for having Netanyahu on. And I will defend them on that. I think that's wrong. And I think that's the wrong attitude to have. Like I don't, I, I, I don't go, Oh, you shouldn't have platformed him and given him this easy interview or whatever. I think that it's always, I think that stuff is always more beneficial than harmful. And in fact, I think sometimes when you get a guy like Netanyahu, while I would like to see him do lots of shows,

I'd like to see him do shows that are much more aggressive and confrontational as well. There's value in both. And there's sometimes people get guarded and defensive when it's a combative show, whereas they'll reveal things, you know, and be on record having said certain things when it's a more comfortable environment. So I did think it was unfair to be given them like a hard time for having them on.

I think more is always better than less when it comes to speech and shows and platforming and all that stuff. So, um, so anyway, yeah, so I just, I did not think that they did anything wrong in doing it. They seem to me from the clips that I saw, they seem to me to be like, I think it's not a political show and they're not guys who are super interested in, in, or what I said, they're not like politics guys. They're not like the guys who are going to be asking them questions about the latest report about the latest, you know, shelter being bombed or whatever.

But at the same time, I do think there's value in it. I think there, there's, there's something in the more meta sense that is just revealing about like Netanyahu even sitting down with the NELC boys seems to me to be some type of admission, like some type of admission about how like, yo, we are losing this like young podcast bro space that is the new dominant media space. And we really got to try to figure that out. And I do not, um, I, I highly doubt that this appearance by Benjamin Netanyahu is going to help him in

that department. I just, as I was looking at it, I was like, I just don't see any way that this is going to be appealing to like the young guys who watch this type of content. That's my guess, but I suppose I could be wrong. I want to, I don't have that much patience for it because it's, listen, I guess kudos to the guys for having him on and for asking some tough questions such as you're being criticized for how many kids are being killed in Gaza I mean at least the fact that they're Confronting said questions which you know in a traditional fluff piece interview

There would be things that aren't even on limits off that are off limits to even force a person to try and clarify in my opinion as I listen to Netanyahu, it's just Just it's just all lies. There's nothing that's based in reality. So you're just kind of hearing his pitch. You might as well go watch him when he gives a speech to Congress or elsewhere. So I didn't have that much patience for it. I watched about 35 minutes because it's just pure, you know, platform for Netanyahu to just kind of, you know what I mean? I like, I hate being on the side of we don't need an expert, but we need someone who can ask better clarifying quite like whatever they,

they have their show and it, you know, good for him. I guess he wants to come to America and get more support for what he's doing. So he's trying to figure out where he can go. And obviously he doesn't want to be asked harsh questions. So this was the spot that he picked on this one. But I guess if you're actually interested in a little bit more substance or watching him really try and answer for, you know, some of the atrocities, atrocities, you're not going to find it on this show. Well, yeah, but it does, if nothing else,

it opens the door for say like us to respond to some of the stuff that he's talking about. But I agree with you for us having a different levels of patience. I also got about 35 minutes into it. So, you know, I that's much it means at the end of the day. Let's, let's just start playing some of the clips here and we will, we will give our thoughts on it. Interesting. The answer is no. I think you definitely have a tough job, but why do you think you're like so hated worldwide? Well, a lot of propaganda. First of all, I'm not hated worldwide. I'm, uh, I just received this, uh, I just talked to someone, uh, a rabbi and he says, uh, he just heard from his brother,

who was in, um, in Europe. Okay. And, um, one of the countries of Europe and he says that he's being flooded. You know, they know he's from Israel. All the people are coming and they say, you did this amazing thing for all of us, okay? The chancellor of Germany said Israel did the work for all of us, the new chancellor of Germany, okay? I hear, you know, they had the G7. The president told me they were all going crazy, I mean, you know, in a positive way, because we liberated them, because those Iranian missiles were geared at Europe too, and ultimately

at America with nuclear warheads. So we had the guts to do this. And you know, the propaganda is there. I don't deny it. But people also have, you know, sometimes the truth beckons. And what Israel did with President Trump is safeguard free societies from a menace. I mean, this Iranian regime hangs gays from cranes, shoots women on the sidewalk for not covering their hair,

presses their people, spreads terrorism worldwide, kills Americans wholesale, tries to murder the American president, the former secretary of state, the former national security adviser. You know, so people's heads, you know, if people are turned that way, the question you have to ask is not why do they hate me or President Trump, it's why don't they see reality? Why don't they see a reality? Why don't they see what's good for them and the answer is most of them do if you tell them the facts?

But how do you tell them the facts over? tick-tock You you guys are there and you tell me what's the suggestion you got any ideas for me? I don't think it's the Iran thing the main thing. I just see is like Because yes, it is that is a a good followup so far that yeah, I don't really think it's the Iran thing is why everybody hates you. But it is funny to have to kind of dance this dance where you have to give an answer for why everybody hates you so much. But you also

have to kind of go like, no, dude, people love me. That's not a problem at all. And then it's, you know, of course, like, as you said, Rob, I mean, just the pure propaganda talking about how the missiles with nuclear warheads were pointed at them. Like, of course, this isn't true. Everybody knows there weren't missiles with nuclear warheads. Like Iran is so many steps away from having missiles with nuclear warheads on them, but they're enriching at 60%. So like those missiles never existed. Those people thanking you for taking out the missiles that never existed also never existed. This is all just pure politician spin, but I guess maybe where I'd see this maybe a little different than you,

Rob, correct me if I'm wrong, is that I just look at this and I go, Oh dude, this is convincing no one because he didn't even address any of the reasons why people hate him You know and like the reasons why people hate him I mean the first reason across the world is because of the level of human suffering that's being inflicted on the people of Gaza the other reason people hate him is maybe for like having a history of always trying to kill the peace process and then the reason more Specifically why Americans hate him is because he's always trying to kill the peace process. And then the reason more specifically why Americans hate him is because he's always trying to lure us into another war and he doesn't address any of that. So I just felt like this was weak politician spin and him kind of

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So sure, you might be just talking to your dumb friends, but smart people are calling me up and going, you did us such a favor. I sometimes, you know, the people that love Trump love him and the people that hate him, it's because he's lying. But the people that love him, they also kind of know he's lying. But it's fun the way he lies and it's bluster. And it was the same thing with Biden. I hate him because I know he's lying. And some people will watch him and go, oh, I love this guy.

You're looking at how truthful and so when someone's just kind of being matter of fact, the way Netanyahu is here and just being such a good liar where there's no tells and he's just right down the middle. Hey, here's my talking points. It's hard for me to answer for how other people will see it. Yeah, no, I guess that's a fair point. But here, let's keep playing because I was interested in this follow up. If civilians are getting injured or killed, we don't want to do that. I think the other issue too, is you see there's a lot more Palestinian protests. You don't want it either. Yeah. I think the other issue too is you see there's a lot more Palestinian protests.

You don't see very many Israeli protests. So you're going to see that on TikTok. You know, it's organized, it's systemic, but it doesn't make it true. I mean, so what? You have it. But what are they protesting for? I mean, look, most of the Arab world has made peace with Israel. We've had four historic peace accords.

You know, people said you can never have peace because the Palestinians, you first have to solve the Palestinian issue. Well, the Palestinians have been fighting this for 100 years before there was even a state of Israel. And they're not fighting for a state. They don't want a state next to Israel. They want a state instead of Israel. This is, um, actually really fascinating what he said right there. And I think a lot of people will, will miss this, but he was defending the Netanyahu doctrine and the clean break strategy. That's what he was saying right there, where he goes,

look at all the peace we've made in the region with all these other, uh, Arab countries. And people said you'd have to make peace with the Palestinians first before you could make peace with these other nation states. And he's going now, but see, we didn't. That's what the clean break strategy was all about. That was the whole thing was that the Yitzhak Rabin doctrine was that we got to make peace with the Palestinians.

Otherwise we'll never be able to make peace with the rest of the broader Arab and Muslim world. And Netanyahu and the Likud doctrine was like, no, we can do it through other means. And so what's he, who's he talking about? He makes peace with, okay. Well, he makes peace with who? Egypt and Jordan and, and, uh, I guess Qatar and, um, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. But in other words, all the U S sock puppets, all the, all the dictatorships who America, you know, when we're not spreading democracy,

we're propping up dictatorship and we have to give all of them billions of dollars in order for them to maintain this piece in order for them to sell out the Palestinians. And of course, you know, he wasn't getting along with Saddam Hussein or Momar Gaddafi or Bashar al Assad and he had the U S overthrow all of them. Um, or I guess aside, you know, we helped and they ate it in it too. But so that is really, even though, again, like you said, this is not something normies would pick up on there, but this is him defending the doctrine that just, and look, Rob, look, it worked. It worked. Right.

They made all of these agreements with the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia and Jordan and all these countries. Okay, great. It worked. And all it costs was like $8 trillion. Okay. You know, like thousands of American lives, tens of thousands, if you count the ones who commit suicide, completely destabilizing the region, killing millions of people. Plus, you know, all of the slaughtering of Palestinians that's had to be done. That's that was the only price tag, but aside from that, it works.

I guess also you could add to the price tag turning the entire world against Israel. But anyway, it is, it is remarkable that they can still brag about and that people, people will like, you know, I think sometimes don't understand why I harp on the fucking the clean break strategy so much in the seven countries in five years, but because that is, that is it. That's what's at the heart of this and that is him saying it himself whether he's being explicit and clear about it or not That's what he's talking about that actually see all these guys were dumb and I'm really smart because they all thought I'd have to give

Up what because because making peace with the Palestinians requires what? agreeing to the 67 borders And agreeing that you don't get the wailing wall and you don't get east jerusalem and you don't get gaza and you don't get the west Bank well that doesn't jive with the greater israel project now does it and so he's basically bragging I was able to make peace and keep the greater greater israel conflict alive except the thing is That that would make sense if you could describe it all what we have now as peace. I mean, I guess if you have no value for Palestinian life, then it kind of is peace, right? There's not a lot of IDF soldiers dying in the war.

There's some, but there's not a lot. So Hey, strategy is working. It's really actually pretty sick when you you when you actually think about what he's saying there. I would also love a definition on who the Palestinian people are. So am I supposed to believe that every single civilian in I guess the West Bank or in Gaza does not want to live peacefully next to Israel, but will only wants to take over all of Israel. And then what about all the Arab Israelis? What about all those people that I guess were just lucky enough to be in the remaining territories of Israel? I think, I mean, what's the ethnic

difference between them or even religious difference between them and the people who are living in Ramallah or living in Gaza? Like they're just some are naturalized citizens and some aren't. So that's right. I don't those people want Israel's destruction. How are you able to incorporate them into Israel without them just constantly engaging in suicide bombing and trying to get rid of you. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is my patriot supply. According to the

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gone. Again, that's mypatriotsupply.com slash problem and get prepared today. Yeah. Yeah. No, in some cases they're family members. You know what I mean? Like they were just, some of them happened to get ethnically cleansed out and some of them didn't. Um, yeah. All right, let's, uh, let's go to the next, uh, the next clip. Um, cause there's some more interesting stuff in here. Around the stuff, but you know,

you can't build peace or security on the, you know, on the rocks, you know, they'll crash. I mean, these things will crash on the rocks, they'll crash. I mean, these things will crash on the rocks of Middle Eastern realities. You can only build peace on truth and reality, not on deliberate falsified fantasy. Why do they say Israel's starving the people of Gaza? Well, because we're trying to get the food in

and we let food trucks in. And guess what happens when we let them in? Hamas steals the food, takes the good chunk for itself, then sells at inflated prices. They jack up the prices and then they sell the food to its population, to its hungry population if they give them it all. And then use the money that they take from their own people to recruit more killers into their terror machine. That's what happens.

Why are more Palestinians not siding with Israel against the Mossad? Well, guess what's up? Okay, so this is I thought this was one of the most interesting clips of the whole thing. And it is a first of all, obviously, there's obviously Benjamin Netanyahu is lying. It's like that. That's kind of a given. But even by his own lies, I find this to be just the most horrifically immoral logic that by the way is the same logic for sanctions regimes around the world. It's not as if Israel is unique in this evil America is certainly guilty of it, too

But there Israel's is particularly horrible But so first of all, let's just say why are why are people saying you're starving the Palestinians? He goes because we're trying to get the food in you know, it's like no actually you're nothing for for three months There was not as the finance minister uh smotrich of israel bragged That there was not one ounce of grain was allowed in now. This is not israeli food that's being turned away This is food from international charities and other nations that israel simply isn't letting in So the idea that they're trying to get it in This is just completely made-up nonsense, but

All that aside now also the other thing the assertion here that Hamas Steals the food when it comes in and then marks it up and charges it at an inflated price to the civilians I've heard this asserted before I've never seen demonstrated. Like I've never seen actual reporting of this happening, but let's just take that as something that happens. It's not, that is not very uncommon. Like regimes operate this way, you know? I mean they're right. Like, but the point is when you have a full blockade for three months and then a, uh, a very impactful blockade for many, many years

outside of that. What, if you're telling me that Hamas steals the foot, this reminds me when I was a kid in the nineties, I actually remember this, but there was a, there was a little bit of a controversy, not that much, but there was a controversy that we had a full blockade around Iraq. Uh, we had invaded Iraq under George H.W. Bush during the Clinton years, we had a full blockade, um, and many bombing campaigns. And then of course, George W. Bush invaded the country later. But when there was the, um, the blockade, there were a lot of reports,

like there was that one famous UN report that said that 500,000 children had died from starvation and malnutrition. And so this became a bit of a controversy. And what people used to say about the blockade and the sanctions on Iraq was they'd go, well, maybe if Saddam didn't have 16 palaces, he could feed his own people. Um, which like that there might be some truth to that. Okay. Like I don't think any of us would argue that like Saddam

Hussein had a just distribution of resources in his society. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, I'm sure it is messed up that he's got 15 palaces and everybody else has nothing. But I think the, the next question from say the perspective of an American citizen would be like, but wait a minute, if we know that Saddam Hussein is going to live like a King, no matter what, then what exactly are we doing with this sanction and blockade policy?

I mean, we're not punishing Saddam Hussein. We already established he's living like a king, no matter what. So who are we punishing? And then the question becomes like, who are you punishing when you have, when you use starvation as a weapon in war, when you deny food into a war torn area, who are you punishing? And I think this is one of the things that's missed by so many people is it's like the, the, the, who you know you're not punishing is the regime itself.

They will eat, right? If you've established, they are going to get what they need. So what are you telling me? Netanyahu in order to get to Hamas, we'd have to what? Starve the entire civilian population. Like if you're telling me that hamas is good The regime is going to make sure that the regime itself and then its military are fed This is always the case when there's these starvation blockades and what ends up happening? Is that when you use starvation as a weapon of war as the israelis are doing? Um currently and have been doing for quite a while that when you use starvation as a weapon of war, as the Israelis are doing,

currently and have been doing for quite a while, when you do that, the people who are impacted are always the most marginalized people of that society that you're blockading. And typically it's the ethnicities or the religion or the race that the regime hates the most. Those are the ones they're going to let starve first. They're not going to be like we need to feed the innocent civilians and therefore, you know, whatever we'll starve our mil, our militants. I was going to say military, but in the case of Hamas militants, right?

They're not going to starve the leaders in Hamas. So they're going to starve the people. So in other words, translated, you're fighting a war against the civilian population. And literally there was just, I was just reading a piece about this today, literally on antiwar.com today that the latest report that 15 more Palestinians starved to death in Gaza due to us backed Israeli blockade. Um, and it was a, including, um, a dead six week old baby. Uh, so like that's so like, even if you agree with what Netanyahu is saying, like, yeah, it's not these

bastards. They're stealing the food and marking up the price. Like, okay, but then what's the point of having this policy of blockading food? Like what is it at this point? All you're doing is starving babies to death. And like if you want to sit here and split the difference between like, well, the responsibility isn't on the ones blocking the food. The responsibility is on Hamas for hoarding that food so that that baby didn't, so that that baby starved to death. Like, all right. I mean, it seems

to be that there's responsibility on all parties involved, but like, could you sit there, Rob? What, like with a good conscience, could you ever be in a situation where let's just say there were a bunch of people who wanted to kill you and a bunch of children and they were all hurt and wounded and needed medicine. But you knew that the people, the bad guys already had enough medicine for themselves and we're just going to let the babies die. And you'd be like, we're still going to hold back this medicine. Even though the only difference in us letting it in or holding it back is that the babies

die. I wouldn't feel like I had no responsibility in that. If I was the party blocking the medicine out and how the mental gymnastics you have to leap through to convince yourself, well, we're going to do this. And as a result of us doing this, these babies will starve to death, but it's really their fault for not having a more just distribution of the food that we've allowed in so far is just, it's like satanic logic. I don't know. Uh, and on top of all of that, if the issue issue is that they're gonna take the food and convert it to money

Which is allows them to pay soldiers then you probably don't want to send them money Yeah, probably don't want to send them hundreds of millions of dollars in cash You probably wouldn't beg to keep the hundreds of millions of dollars in cash pouring in That seemed that seemed like hundreds of millions of dollars in cash pouring in, that'd seem like wouldn't jive with the mission there. Anyway, let's keep playing from where we were there to hear Netanyahu's next thought. Siding with Israel against Hamas then. Well, up to now they've been terrorized,

but guess what's happened? Since we're beating Hamas, all of a sudden we see Palestinians rising. You have to see this to believe this, okay? And they say to Hamas, all of a sudden we see Palestinians rising. You have to see this to believe this, okay? And they say to Hamas, hey, you're not coming into my building. You can't use my school or this hospital as your command post. We're not letting you. And as they start fighting them, now we have actually armed conflict between Palestinians

and terrorists. It was unimaginable a year and a half ago. But now there are Palestinians who rise up. And you know, the more the better, because we can create a different future for Gaza. And we should also do something very simple that President Trump said, and it was really, that's my idea, that's how he cuts the chase.

He says, you know, at the end of this war, the people of Gaza should have the choice. If they want to leave for other countries, they want freedom of choice. Why are they locked in? Hell, we're not locking them in. Anybody could leave. But Hamas is locking them in. Suppose they want to leave. They want to go to another country. OK? Why shouldn't they have the freedom of choice to do that? Because this is all upside down, you know? The victim of this horrible terrorism is called the aggressor. The people who are oppressed by Hamas are seen as supporting Hamas.

Give them a choice, give them freedom, give them a life and give them a choice. Give them freedom. Give them, uh, give them a life and give them a future. They can't have that with these, uh, Hamas or stormtroopers, but the amazing thing is, all right, let's pause there. You know, this is some evil shit, dude. Give them the choice. Give them the choice to leave. You give them the choice. I mean all the choices in the world, except the choice to stay in their homes and not be slaughtered. We don't want to give them that choice. That'd be like Israel either. Can't go into Egypt. There's also, I don't think you can just get into the ocean and swim away.

So I don't really know where they do have that choice. They might be shot at, but they have the choice. Right. I mean, this is just, and again, by the way, Donald Trump was explicit that they would not have the choice to return and also that they would not have the choice to leave. Like this is, and, and this is just, look, it's obvious at this point that this is just, I mean, a really creepy kind of first world way of selling an ethnic cleansing campaign. Come on. I'm just here for freedom of choice,

freedom of movement. Why shouldn't they be allowed to move? Meanwhile, Israel for freedom of choice, freedom of movement. Why shouldn't they be allowed to move? Meanwhile, Israel's not willing to take any of them, but why shouldn't somebody else be free to have these people? And then of course, it's just ask it, but why not ask the question in just a different way? Like why should any other country take them? Why should they have to leave? Why should, why should anyone else really, except for Israel and the US, be responsible for the mess that we created?

And I'm not advocating we relocate the Palestinians over here. I think they're fine right where they are. And if they need to temporarily be relocated while Gaza is rebuilt, I see Tel Aviv is a great place to go send them. Why on earth should Israel, like Israel like ask differently would be like, why do you have the right to slaughter and starve a population for nearly two years and then ethnically cleanse them? Why the hell does anybody else have to aid you in that mission?

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unwavering and just delivers his facts. So you got to give him that. All right. Let's go to the net. I think we had one more Netanyahu clip, right? Uh, I think I had two more here. Two more. All right. Let's sit the, let's hit the next one. Or maybe that one was two of them. I don't know. Well, let's go to the next one. We'll figure it out. Is a, I would say is a paragon of freedom in an area that doesn't exactly enjoy freedom.

And you to have young Americans march and support these mass rapists, these people who beheaded men who burned babies alive. I'm talking about the Hamas monsters. Is that their ideal? They don't know nothing. I mean, they don't know what they're talking about. And I want to bring that truth to them. So Israel is a great free society and the best partner that America has anywhere. Great people there for sure. When we visited, everyone was so welcoming and people are inviting us over for dinner and stuff. But I see, like that's the thing too, I'm not claiming to be an expert too, but I'll

just read stuff on like X and like people will say like Israel's killing babies or like they're starving people. That's completely false. In fact, the reason, the reason we have civilian casualties in Gaza is because Hamas were basically horrible murderers and killers, okay, committed to our destruction and your destruction. They say so openly. I mean, they say the big enemy, the real enemy, the great Satan is America.

And Israel is the small Satan, but the small Satan that is standing in their way of conquering with other Iranian proxies, conquering the Middle East, and then we move on to you. So America is the great Satan, and America needs to disappear. And we stand in their way. But one of the things you have to understand is Gaza is the densest urban environment you can find. And Hamas embeds itself

in the civilian population of Gaza, the Palestinians, okay? We tell the Palestinians, hey, leave, because after they butchered us and raped our women and beheaded our men and burned our babies, you know, we have to remove this threat. So we come in to take care of the Hamas terrorists. But the Hamas terrorists don't leave the civilian neighborhoods. And we say to the civilians, we call them up because we have their telephone numbers. We say, leave, please leave. We send them leaflets, millions of leaflets, please leave. We, you know, we do everything that is possible that no army has done.

They want to leave. You know what Hamas does? They shoot them. You say, we want you to stay because we want to have civilian casualties, because then they can show it on CNN or all these other networks and so on and played that Israel is deliberately doing this. We're not deliberately doing anything. We'd like them to leave. And in fact, successively during the war, it's been now a year and a half, they finally do leave, most of them. So we've minimized those casualties.

But it's not because we seek to have civilian casualties, it's because Hamas wants them. They're willing to sacrifice their own children, their own families, both because they don't really care for human life, but also because I think it's very good propaganda against us. And if they just let them leave, leave the wars here, get to this. You know, I gotta say it's like after, uh, you know, just spending a considerable amount of time talking about this issue and doing a lot of debates on this subject, I'm still just blown away.

No pun intended by this defense. Like it's just, it's like, I just don't even know in what world does this even sound persuasive to say, like in what world where someone goes like, Hey, you killed a lot of people and you're like, yeah, yeah, no, no, no. I know that makes me sound like the bad guy when you say I've killed a lot of people, but what about if I know that makes me sound like the bad guy. When you say I've killed a lot of people, but what about if I told you that before I killed them, I called them and went, leave, leave or we'll kill you.

Do you sound like the good guy in the movie now? Like where, where in your head do you go? Like, ah, that does, that sure does sound good. It goes, and look, here's the weird part where there is like, obviously there is like half of this argument, I guess is somewhat legitimate. We're like, there's no question that yes, Hamas's goal is to maximize the number of civilian casualties. This is the game that they're playing to kind of demonstrate to the world how brutal the Israelis are by getting a bunch of Palestinians massacred, it turns global opinion against Israel.

So like that part of it is true, but Netanyahu is sitting here going, going like, well, they're going to make these people stay because they're willing to sacrifice them. And then even without having to explicitly admit it, it's right there implied is like, and then yeah, we're also willing to sacrifice that. It's like, okay. So there's a common agreement here. You both think at that point, all right, the price is worth that. So we told them to leave and they didn't. So we're going to kill all of them and like

to sit there. And then they try to play this game where like, if anybody else, let's say in the Western world goes like, Whoa, no, that is not acceptable at all. That then you come to agreement with Hamas and go, yes, it's fine to kill all these civilians now. And to claim that if you object to that, they are for you're buying into Hamas propaganda is just so childish and ridiculous. Like why can't it just be option C I'm over here where I don't like Hamas or you. And I think it's wrong that they want civilian casualties.

And I think it's wrong that you're giving it to them. Like what world are we living in? It's like the, and then they have the nerve, the Israeli defenders have the nerve to, to use the term moral clarity as if like there's clarity to what Benjamin Netanyahu is saying here, but there's not moral clarity to the people who go like, well, if you said move and the babies haven't been moved, don't drop bombs on them. What other options do we have here? Cause that's not an acceptable one. And,

and you know, I mean, I just, I don't know, it's wild to even hear people try to explain that, you know, I've heard so many people try to make this argument and now hearing it, you know, from Benjamin Netanyahu himself. And you're like, this just doesn't work. This doesn't make any sense. This is so diametrically opposed to how any of us would ever conceive of morality or moral clarity for that matter. They are like, wait, so you told them to move and they did even in yours again,

even in your scenario, which again, Rob, I mean, you know, and you can get in here and respond to, but like it does not mean, you know, the human shields argument, I'm sorry, this just not just does not account for 80% of the buildings in Gaza being leveled Okay, but you may have you may have a few examples here or there of where Hamas had some weaponry in schools Or mosques or something like that But can anyone show me some evidence that it was around 80% of the buildings in Gaza? No, you can't even come anywhere close to that

you'd almost have to believe that the entire civilian population was Hamas in order to justify destroying this level of the place, but again Much like with the food blockade Even in but Benjamin Netanyahu scenario here you go So we tell the people to leave the people want to leave Hamas puts a gun in their face and says you can't leave That person still feels like a victim to me Like where exactly have you gotten to the place where now? It's morally acceptable to slaughter these people by the tens of thousands

Probably getting up into hundreds of thousands They're probably getting up into hundreds of thousands, but like what, why? Cause so they were forced. And so therefore like where, in what movie, in what logical train of thought do you go like, you know, like a, there's a hostage situation over at the bank and they've taken 20 hostages, but we told the hostages to leave. The problem is the man with the gun who took the hostages all told them they're not allowed to leave. So now we got to blow the building up.

And there's no more moral issue with that. I think, wait, what? No, that sounds like you're just telling me in a different way that your instruction to leave was meaningless because they don't meaningfully have the option to leave according to what you're saying. So, and, and again, to think of why, why it would be that people in the Western world would object to this and, and to even have to start going, it's because they've been propagandized or they've been lied to,

or they're siding with Hamas or whatever. It's like, but why can't the option be that we just simply find that horrific in modern societies. We just don't have that view of the, of life being so valueless. And we're like, yo, like you can't just kill kids. We, we, we insist that you exhaust every option before you ever even consider doing that. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Monetary Metals, a phenomenal company

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didn't think there, I don't think there would be some giant threat of Iran expanding and taking over the whole globe. And oh, thank you so much Israel for sitting there and taking the brunt of it for us. I just, I't believe that storyline The other the other thing that I picked up on and there was more of this in the rest of the episode And half of this I think a lot of people will not agree with me on but the first half that there's no argument against Which is he likes to talk about how free and open of a society Israel is and it's like yeah If you're on the right sides of the walls of it, like yeah I guess it yeah if you manage to be an Israeli citizen, you can be as gay, trans or whatever as you want. And they'll be real inclusive.

But if you're on the other side of that wall, all this freedom that he's describing does not exist for you. And then I did think talking about just being persuasive and listen, I'm all for, you know, for all the jokes I make, go live whatever lifestyle you want. I don't care. Does not affect me. But there is you want. I don't care. It does not affect me. But there is something funny about, I don't know that they're conservative, but if you're trying to win over the American right and you're talking about how progressive your society is, I don't know that that sells.

And then there's a particular contradiction of biblical mandate, I guess, to engage in this kind of existence and warfare while also celebrating your gay communities in Tel Aviv, which I'm not saying that this is the worst of the contradictions, nor am I saying that I have a problem with the gay community in Tel Aviv. I'm just saying it does also just stand there as a logical contradiction of, wait, so you got a biblical right to have this government now, but you also get to have all this modern thing here? That doesn't really add up to me.

No, dude, those are, I'm sorry. Those are both excellent points. And there is something kind of amazing about how Israel gets to be all of these different things for all of these different people. And depending on which person you talk to, they're, you know what I mean? Like, and like, so like, I remember Will Chamberlain arguing when I debated him about this, that like the reason why right wingers ought to support Israel is because they're a right wing government and there's so few right wing countries out

there that we ought to support this one right wing country. And then if you go listen to like the right wingers, the settlers in the West Bank, they'll just straight up tell you is that that wonderful documentary, the settlers really covered, but there's been lots of, of, you know, interviews with these people over the years. And they'll tell you in their own words that like what their justification is for why they're allowed to go colonize the West bank. And what is it, Rob? It's like, cause God gave it to us. Period.

This is Judea and Samaria. It is what is promised by God to us and these other people, these non-chosen people who are on it, like, sorry, yeah, God's already made up his mind and this is for us. So we have the right to do whatever we want to. And it is amazing that you can be like this. You could try to brag about being a right-wing society. You can brag about how you're the original biblical chosen tribe of God. And then also

when you're attacking the outside Muslim world, your go-to is like, but we have women and gay rights. There is just a contradiction there that you can't deny. And I do think you also make a point, whereas it probably is important to point out that like, yeah, look, we don't actually want to live in a society where gays are thrown off buildings or whatever, which by the way, I don't even think, I don't think that was a thing that was happening in Gaza. Maybe I'm wrong about that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I know I've read about like in Pakistan that happened, but anyway, um,

but yeah, we don't want to live in a society where it's illegal to be gay or violence is brought upon people simply for, for, you know, uh, being homosexual and we don't want to live in a society where like women are oppressed and aren't given the rights to like, you know, have basic, uh, natural rights. But I do think I agree with you, Rob. There's something about just in our current moment, in our current culture,

I think going onto the NELC boys show and being like, you got to side with us because we're so much more LGBTQ friendly or something like that. Doesn't seem to be the message that's really resonating with the time. You know that that's my guess, but yes. And I would just go back over your first point because I mean, there's really nothing I can add except put an exclamation point behind what you were just saying, but like the idea, the idea that a mass with the aid of Hezbollah or something like that is not only going to take over the middle east, they are going to take over Europe and North America too. If not for a country the size of New Jersey who needs four and a half billion dollars of welfare every year to live

from us, if not for our welfare, New Jersey size state in the middle East, they'd just be taken over the whole world. But because of Israel, you see, they can't even take over Gaza. Like, I mean, this is, this is just purely rel, it's, it's relying on the fact that you'd have to know absolutely nothing. You'd have to know absolutely nothing about anything in order for you to ever think that there was a chance. I mean, if you, if you tried to like, try to really think to yourself about how much more powerful say, I don't know, Spain is, you don't know, Spain is,

you know, like, like just in terms of like, or Germany or something like this, right? Like how much more, in terms of like GDP in terms of, you know, like in terms of, uh, technological advancements, like these are countries that are just enormously more power than Hezbollah. Hezbollah is, you know, I mean, at this point they're pretty beat up, but even before like the pager attack or something like that, Hezbollah was what like a militia who controlled Southern Lebanon, who had kind of made the transition

into being like a political entity. Like they had gotten big enough where you would probably call them not just like, you know, not just the militia that they were in the eighties or even in the early two thousands, they, they would almost be something approaching like kind of a military, but still they're not like a European rich country or anything like that, that has that type of GDP to pull on. Um, Hamas, I mean, give me a break, but like, anyway, so my point being like, let's say Germany is like a hundred thousand times more powerful than any of them.

If anyone told you right now that Germany was going to take over all of Europe and then take over North America, you know, immediately guys, there's just no chance. It's just ridiculous. There's no chance that they're capable of doing that as I thought it was ridiculous when people were saying Vladimir Putin's going to take Poland next. You know what I mean? Like you sit there and you'd go really a country with like a $2 trillion GDP that's struggling to take Ukraine is going to pick a fight with all of NATO next. But like as ridiculous as that was that just, I mean, it pales in comparison to saying that the, that Iran and her proxies will take over the entire

world. What this is it. We'd all be speaking Persian if it wasn't for Israel. That's what you're going with Netanyahu. Really? That was your final answer. All right. I don't know. Here, let's just, let's keep playing a little bit and we could respond one more time and then we'll, we'll call it a nap. Safe parts, safe havens that we've created in Gaza, no one would be hurt. And the minute Hamas lays down its arms, surrenders, maybe we let them leave Gaza.

That's the end of the war. No one gets hurt. What would your message be to Palestinians that just wanna have like a peaceful life? Get rid of Hamas. Help us get rid of the war. No one gets hurt. What would your message be to Palestinians that just want to have a peaceful life? Get rid of Hamas. Help us get rid of Hamas. They torment you. They oppress you.

They shoot you in the back of the head. If you want to leave the war zone, they kill you. And if you say a word in protest, they'll kill you. If you're gay, you're in bad shape, really bad shape. And if you are a woman, you're chattel, you're nothing, you're property. That's the opposite of everything we believe in. We, I say, it's not only Israel, it's you. So we're the same.

How do you respond to that? Like, I'd say there's a lot of American support from the females, from the gays towards Palestine. So how does that make any sense? That's, you know, gays for Gaza is like chickens for KFC. I mean, that's insane. The whole thing is absurd. Chickens for KFC, right? Gays for Gaza or, you know, women for the women of Gaza. Talking about, you know, they're completely subjugated. They've got this death cult that is contaminated. So you can push this stuff on TikTok or whatever on the stuff, but you can't build peace or security on the rocks. They'll crash. I mean, these things will crash on the rocks of Middle Eastern realities.

You can only make peace on truth. Yeah. All right. Here. Pause there. You know, it's, um, uh, again, it's, it's only when you completely, you know, attempt to deny any Israeli responsibility for any of these things that you can even even get away with these talking points. But like, I also do, you know, you get this a lot in, in these types of conflicts and the way I typically would, would say it would be like this. And this really is because I guess I'm like grounded in like libertarian principles. That is kind of how I, you know, view the world.

But you know, when you're talking about a conflict, any type of like violent conflict and the way we think of law or what law ought to be or what governments ought to do or something like that. So like, if there's, if there's a bar fight that breaks out and there's, um, you know, the police come and they're there, you know, the fights broken up and they're asking witnesses and they're asking the two people involved in the fight, you know, the, but the fights broken up and they're asking witnesses and they're asking the two people involved in the fight, you know, the relevant questions that we would all assume that the cops should have or

that like essentially what the law ought to be is you'd be like, what happened here? Who was the aggressor? Right? Like even though that is like the same thing, your parents like would ask little kids like who started it, but that's usually the point you're trying to get to. Like who's the aggressor here? You know, if the story is you were sitting here talking to your friends and this guy came over and attacked you and you defended yourself. Well, then you'd be like,

the guy who attacked you is the criminal. The guy who's defending you themselves is not a criminal, right? Like that's, and if someone were to come in here and go like, um, like someone was giving a witness statement and they were like, well, let me tell you, they're like, Hey, so what happened in this fight? And they told the cops, they go, well, first of all, this guy is like a really great guy and he's really nice to his wife and his kids and his friends. This guy's jerk stays out all hours of the night never even calls his wife back You would hope that immediately the police officer would go. This is all irrelevant information to me

Like and that doesn't mean it's irrelevant in life Like it's important to be nice to your wife and your friends But like that has nothing to do with this conflict and how I ought to feel about You know what i'm saying? Like who like, like the question here is like, who's killing innocent people? Who's the aggressor who has the right to do what and who doesn't the quest. And so there is this thing where people go, you know, they'll be like, Oh, look at these queers for Palestine dummies. Now look, I'm sure me and you, Rob have some political disagreements with any leftists who's putting queers for blank on any shirt. I'm sure we don't have the same worldview as them.

We don't have the same principles and we would draw very different conclusions about many different issues. But that being said, I am going to stick up for the queers for Palestine people a little bit on this, where this argument by Netanyahu and many of the Israel supporters is just fucking stupid. It's really dumb. The, the, the queer kids and some college campus, uh, in the United States of America, when they say queers for Palestine,

they're not saying I would prefer to live under Islamic law than under Israeli law. Anymore than in the bar fight, you're talking about who treats their own family better. They're saying I feel bad for the innocent women and children who are being slaughtered and we're against us. Gay people in America are against doing this to these innocent people. That's the comment they're making. And in the same sense that like, you know, cause I've had, um,

I've actually had this happen in debates before where people have been like, you know, talking about what a brutal dictator Saddam Hussein was or something like that. And you're like, yeah, but that's not the question. Like if, if anybody, like it's not a gotcha to say anybody who was out protesting the war in Iraq in 2002 and 2003, it was 2003 when it was launched, but anyone who was out protesting the war, if you were to say to them, Hey, I bet you'd rather live in George W. Bush's America rather than live in Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Is that a gotcha? Does that like, yeah, you're right.

Shit. I shouldn't be opposed in this war because there's lots of things about Iraqi society that I would not like to live under. It's like, but that's not the relevant question. You were never going to go live in Iraq under Saddam Hussein. You know what I mean? Like, what does that have to do with it? The question is, do we have a right to launch this war? Are we being lied into this war? Well, this war result in many innocent people dying. And so if, though,

if the answer to all of that was yes, which it was Then it or sorry if the answer was no, we don't have the right Yes We are being lied to and yes a whole bunch of innocent people are going to die Then you were right to oppose the thing and so likewise a gay person in america Saying i'm against what israel's doing to palestine. It's not a gotcha that it's like well I bet you wouldn't like to go live under Hamas controlled Gaza. What? Yeah, that was never really on the table.

They were never about to go do that. So actually like, I don't think, I don't think it exactly makes sense to call your thing queers for Palestine. How about just like be people for Palestine? I don't know. You know, just be against slaughtering innocent people in Palestine. I think all the fucking, you know, identitarian stuff where it's completely unnecessary is not helpful. But also this like this, this, uh, right wing own is actually pretty weak.

There's no real argument there. I don't like, I don't know. I mean, I'm sure there's some dumb lefties who have said some dumb things, but I don't really think the message of queers for Palestine is there are no issues for openly gay people in Muslim countries. I don't actually think that's what they're claiming. I think what they're claiming is like, yeah, but still don't go slaughter innocent people because of that, which does seem reasonable to me. But anyway,

I'll leave it there. If there's anything else you'd like to add, Rob, go ahead. If not, just plug your gigs one more time and we'll wrap up. Yeah. Everyone check out the run your mouth podcast. Check out my store head show. I think people that listen to this would particularly like the last interview I just did with David Stockman. And then of course you can go to porch tour.com and there's a whole lot of porch tour dates, including this weekend in Johnston PA on Sunday, Saturday and Brewston mills, West Virginia and Friday back in Doylestown PA. So come hang out.

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