Part Of The Problem - RFK Jr. Eviscerates Dana Bash

Episode Date: August 4, 2026

Dave Smith brings you the latest in politics! On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave and Robbie "the Fire" Bernstein discuss the newest updates on the war with Iran, Donald Trump's comments about Anthony Fauci's presidential pardon, RFK's Jr's discussion on CNN about the handling of the pandemic, and more.Support Our Sponsors:Quince - Get free shipping on your Quince order and 365-day returns athttps://www.quince.com/POTPMy Patriot Supply - http://preparelikedave.comSuperpower - Head to Superpower.com and use code PROBLEM at checkout for $20 off your membership. Unlock your new health intelligence. 100+ biomarkers. Every year. Detect early signs of 1,000+ conditions. #superpowerpodBrunt Workwear - http://bruntworkwear.com/ Use code PROBLEM for $10 off your first order!Part Of The Problem is available for early pre-release at https://partoftheproblem.com as well as an exclusive episode on Thursday!PORCH TOUR DATES HERE:https://robbernsteincomedy.com/eventsFind Run Your Mouth here:YouTube - http://youtube.com/@RunYourMouthiTunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/run-your-mouth-podcast/id1211469807Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4ka50RAKTxFTxbtyPP8AHmFollow the show on social media:X:http://x.com/ComicDaveSmithhttp://x.com/RobbieTheFireInstagram:http://instagram.com/theproblemdavesmithhttp://instagram.com/robbiethefire#libertarian See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

So what's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of The Problem. I'm Dave Smith. He's Robbie the Fire Bernstein. How are you today, sir? I'm doing well, man, having fun out on the porches, getting my reps in. Very good, very good. What's the next stop for you? I've got a Walpole, Massachusetts, New to Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and then upcoming weekends in Madison, Wisconsin, Philly, PA, Doylestown, and Myersville. So all over the course. PorchTor.com. Fordstore.com. And then what have it? Me and you, great time down there in Fort Lauderdale,

getting some son. That was a lot of fun. I got to say, that Fort Lauderdale Improv Club, beautiful, beautiful club in a great room, a great room for comedy. If you're in that area, go check that app. We got, geez, what is our next thing, Rob? I think it's Appleton. Wisconsin. Appleton, Wisconsin. Great, great room. We had a great time there. August 13 through 15, Skyline Comedy Club. Me and Rob will be out there. Then I got the Comedy Mothership, we got Louville, Fort Worth, Dallas, a lot of stuff coming up, Comicadavsmith.com for all those ticket links. All right.

So by the way, I'm not, I know it seems as if I'm broadcasting from like a place. Yeah, like absent of time and space or something like I'm just, this is where I am, the around war hasn't started yet and also it's always been going on. This is, I mean, I mean, John Rawls' veil of ignorance right now. now, just deciding. Anyway, so I don't know, there's a few things that I really wanted to talk about today. And once again, Rob, we're in this cycle where like, I guess the first thing we have to talk about is the war. I don't know what to say, man. This is unlike anything else I've ever covered. It's just unlike anything else. It's almost like we have to keep talking

about it because it's the most important thing. And honestly, like nuclear, the worst case scenario of like global economic depression or nuclear exchange or World War III, however remote all three of those might be. I certainly don't think the latter two are likely or anywhere close to likely. I think the economic depression is the global economy is the scariest, most realistic, I should say, not scariest. Scariest because it's most likely. But when all of that is on the line, you kind of have to talk about it all the time. But my God, at the end of this, all you can say is that everybody who's a skeptic of this has been completely proven right. I mean, everybody who supported the 12-day war and the whole goddamn hawkishness toward Iran for the whole last year plus

have just been absolutely proven to be the goddamn biggest morons on the face of the planet. And we're in the same cycle for the goddamn 15th time. I don't know how you're actually watching at this point. I feel like even like the people who supported this war are rolling their eyes. Now, you're seriously telling me, am I seriously here to bring you the news that yesterday Donald Trump threatened mass acts of terror against the Iranian people? And then Rob, you wouldn't believe it. He tacoed. And now he's promising that there are negotiations, Rob, statement from the farm minister of Iran

today, we're not negotiating. But Donald Trump says we're very close to a deal. What can you even say about this, Rob? What do we do? This is, I think the point at this point is just, just. just to push us to the verge of insanity, and then at least the critics of the war are taken out. Yep, I think it's maybe the six or seven time

Donald Trump has played this exact scheme where he says, hey, we're going for it, we're taking out their power plants, and then goes, nope, it deals on the table so I don't have to do it. The one thing that's on the table that's a little bit different this time is Saudi Arabia apparently called him up and said,

you can't do this. apparently, you know, were bailing out Japan because they were about to sell a bunch of treasuries to try and boost their own currency. And I heard it on, I only watched a little bit of it, but there was a bit of a conspiracy brewing on Mario Nowa Falls show, who's a great Twitter follow for the war that essentially... Great, excellent. Yeah, he's great, man. I've, he interviewed me about the war, I don't know, a couple months ago. I think he had, I may have even getting a request to go back on there. I like, I like him a lot. He does it. He doesn't, he doesn't. a good show and he's a really good Twitter follow. But I guess there was some speculation that Saudi Arabia threatened to dump treasuries as well, which is what might have been what pushed back

Trump this time. But anyways, in the same circle. The Saudi angle on all this stuff is kind of interesting. And I think, you know, this is, there's a better topic for like Scott to break down than me, as are most of these things when it comes to the details of him.

But there's like, There's been, as you know, Rob, right, like just in this war, there's been a lot of kind of contradictory reporting about where Saudi Arabia was on the war. I saw reporting that was like they were really pushing for it at the beginning, and then I saw reporting that they were against it the whole time. And so it's hard to tell what's exactly true here. Like, there's no question that Saudi Arabia, they're regional rivals with Iran. And so they very much want Iran to be, you know, diminished. Obviously, like a big Sunni Gulf state and the big Shiite state are not friends with each other. And so obviously, like, they like the idea of this country.

You know, like, you could, anyway, you could understand where they might be kind of for the war, but you could also understand where there could have some concerns about it. I just think it's kind of interesting that, okay, I know for a fact, right? I've heard a whole bunch of like the highest level Saudi government officials really complaining about the war in Iraq. Like they were very upset that the U.S. overthrew Saddam Hussein because that was a balance against Iran. And they were like, hey, it used to be like all of us against Iran. And now you've given Baghdad to the Shiites who are very closely aligned with Iran. So they weren't happy about that.

But then I've also heard other people make the claim that they were on board with the war in Iraq at the beginning. Anyway, during this war, I heard all of the Zionists make the claim that, look, if anything, it's Saudi who's dragging us into this war. You know, if you're looking for another country, then it's probably Saudi Arabia who's dragging us into this. And what the reporting, what's interesting is that both now, if you remember with, was it Project Freedom, and now in this latest round, it's been openly reported by everyone involved with no one seeming to really take issue with that, that Saudi has been shamed. shutting this shit down. And so they just, I don't know, this, that throws a little bit of a wrench into the narrative that, like, they are the ones who have really been pushing this war, because it seems like, at least at certain opportunities, they actually have stopped the thing from escalator. Well, I think the Saudis have an oil business to run, and they don't want all

their oil fields getting blown up, and this is not great for their oil business. And they're also discovering the Americans are not a great security partner, and they're kind of just making a bigger mess over here. So I think Saudi is a little bit more at risk, despite Donald Trump's claims that Iran was close to getting nuclear warheads that could take out all of Europe in the United States of America.

I don't actually think sitting over here were at risk. Israel seems to be unconcerned with escalating conflicts as they just are, I guess, seemingly rooting for chaos at all time and feel that they're invincible. But Saudi Arabia and the other oil partners are definitely sitting there

like, guys, we need to move on. I got oil a cell? Yeah, no, I think I think that's right. And I, uh, the other aspect of us that, um, is interesting just over the last few days is that it does seem to be, um, confirmed now, uh, by several different sources that this, this running out of interceptor business is no joke, and that we really are like bleeding our reserve. It is, it's just, I, I don't know, man. I mean, there's so many things about this that all of this that are just so, so, appalling, but, Rob, the fact that we've been ripped off to the tune of like 20 trillion dollars in the last 30 years on militarism, and this is what we could afford for all of it.

Was literally, Rob, five months with a third world, with a strong third world country, that's what we could get for 20 trillion dollars. Really like, I mean, you know, the amount of devastation that that has done to the the economy and for real jobs and real increases in the standard of living. You know, you extract 20 trillion dollars from the economy. And instead of having that, instead of having those resources going to producing things that human beings desire to improve their quality of life, you steal the money, spend it on bombs that blow up and kill people, you know, blow up a bridge and kill a bunch of people,

so then you have to rebuild the bridge. nothing of economic production has been done with any of that, nothing that makes anyone's lives better. And talk about when they say, oh, but it creates American jobs, talk about the most comy shit you've ever heard in your life. Oh, well, then good. Why doesn't that, why don't we just have the government

employ 100% of the population into making bombs? And then we can all think about how rich we are as we starve to death and die of infections. Yeah, it's also remarkable that, you know, Trump's I rebuilt the military in the first term, which means he spent more on it. To me, rebuilding it might be getting the Pentagon to actually pass an audit and figure out why it is that we're spending so much money on equipment that's outdated and can't actually, not that I'd like to see more military adventurism or the government incentivized because they feel

like they can win these things, but you'd like to think that they got their shit together enough that if they're picking these fights, they got the supplies for it and they got a strategy for winning and they just don't. But rebuilding the middle, military just means, hey, we need supplementary spending now to just a little bit more money on the thing you didn't want. We just need to spend more money on these tools that are outdated and don't work. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is my Patriot Supply, a great company who I love, and they're the ones who I trust for my family's preparedness. Food security should never depend on perfect weather.

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you know, the first kind of thing, I think, I think the first episode we did after Donald Trump launched the war, really the, what we just said, is look, he's destroyed his presidency, has destroyed the coalition, and this is it. This is the end of his legacy, nothing good is going to come, and that he's just, it's essentially we're in a game, Rob. This is what we've been saying consistently the whole time. She goes, the best thing you could do is just stop. And that still sucks. But it's still the best thing you can do. And every time you continue this, it's literally just like, oh my God, my foot's in quicksand, I'll get it out with my hand. Okay, I better get it out

with my other way. It's an old Homer Simpson thing, I think, right? But he goes, excuse me, I thought. He goes, the Homer Simpson thing was, he gets, he goes, oh, my footstock, I'll get it out with my other foot. Okay, I'll get out with my head. Now I'll get out with my other hand. He goes, and now to get all of them out with my head. Great old Simpsons line. But it's like that, right?

But we said at the very beginning that this is, man, Donald Trump's just going to bleed and bleed and bleed until he finally gets out of this thing. And when he finally gets out of this thing, he's going to bleed even more popularity, because even some percentage of the people they are going to see that, oh, this is what we got for it. Well, Rob, we're approaching six months. You know, the people who were saying, who swore it wouldn't go beyond six weeks, we're now approaching six months of this, and who can defend it? You know, the last time we came to an agreement was the memorandum of understanding, right? Rob, and every single hawk thought that was terrible.

there's not a single person who, you know, I speak in hyperbole, almost nobody who supported this thing, supported the MOU. We'll be lucky if we could get that again. And that wasn't good enough for them. When they got that, they go, oh, no, this isn't a good enough deal. So, okay, you're getting nothing here. I don't know. I've never, I don't think I've ever seen any one of these wars ever, in all the wars I've seen that were more indefensible five months in. Yeah, well, Dave, we haven't bombed pick X mounted or taking car guys.

island yet. So, you know, there's still ways to escalate this and pretend that it won't be a bigger mess. Well, also, I mean, look, the, again, this is, it's just so ridiculous, but like, we just ran one more experiment here, Rob, right? What Donald Trump said, okay, look, I think I don't know. I, you know, I'm sure he was specific in these threats to, but he, you know, because back in on, on the Easter threat, when he had said every power plant and every bridge, wipe out your civilization. and never to be returned again. If you saw this where I was, I'm sure you did, the phraseology he used this time was,

it was going to be the biggest attack since World War II. Now, look, this is a crazy thing for a president to say. I mean, just to think, look, when you go obviously, when you invoke World War II, I mean, you're talking about attacks that in total killed millions and millions and millions, tens of millions of civilians. individual attacks that targeted civilians and killed hundreds of thousands of them, whether it's, you know, whatever you're talking about, whether you're talking about, you know,

Berlin or whatever, Tokyo or obviously ultimately Hiroshima Nagasaki, where there's nuclear strikes. It's like, okay, what do you, but if you're saying it's the biggest since World War II, then, I mean, you got a Vietnam and a Korea in there. Now, don't get me wrong, Rob. I know. What Donald Trump says means absolutely nothing. And every supporter, Brian critic knows that. Like, it's just, but just to be clear here, we did as if Easter wasn't enough proof. We did one more round of the president being crazy, threatening to be a terrorist. And now, once again, just like with Easter, Donald Trump is claiming that this worked,

and now they want to negotiate. So, okay, I mean, when none of that turns out to be true, how many of you, you know, are just going to just pretend that didn't happen and move the goalposts. And then to speak to them just floundering around last week they were, I guess, flirting with the idea of now doing a land blockade of Iran, which is apparently totally not feasible and there's enough smuggling routes and it's too much terrain to cover. But it does seem like with both Pickax Mountain and with the land blockade, the writers are basically just sitting around and looking for a storyline to try and sell anybody on some sort of a purpose or pathway to victory. And they just do not come up with a coherent storyline. Yeah, and I got to say, like, you know, as of right now, you know, because if you remember, and I don't even remember exactly, it was exactly like we really had a harsh disagreement,

but there were like several weeks back where I was like, I think he's over it and he's fine, an excuse, and you were like, I don't know, I think he might be going back to Bobby. And then since then it really is like, I don't even know which one of us was right because it went to MOU and then it went back to bombing and then it went back to. So like maybe we were both right or maybe you were right or I don't know. But I'll say this. The idea of like a ground invasion, I just think that's off the table. I just don't think.

The terrain is too difficult and the numbers of losses that we would take. I think everyone knows that's just like unsustainable or undoable. I don't think Trump's going to nuke around. I mean, look, I would be more concerned about him doing it than just about any other president, to be honest. But I just don't think that's going to happen. But the most likely thing to be really concerned about is that they actually do try to do one of these island games, whether it's, you know, Harmoos Island or like there's a few different islands there. I wouldn't, you know, this is the thing that they're floating out. I don't know.

Like, Rob, do you think they're actually dumb enough to try this? And like I said, you know, we'll see. but I guess my guess is no. My guess is still like he's got like one more temper tantrum in him before he calls this quits. Although I got to say, because look, I don't, like I pride myself on being right about the policy, but understanding exactly what's going to happen is very hard.

It's very hard to predict the future. And nobody's actually that great at it. And all the people who get all the credit for being good at it, you just have to ignore all the predictions they made that didn't come true at all. for the most part. But, you know, some people are better than others. But like, I guess

I've been feeling that for a long time, and I'm kind of surprised that he's even drugged on this long because it's like there's just no victory here. It's nothing but loss. Well, he refuses to accept that, and I guess keeps yelling at the generals to come up with an option who finally got so desperate. They emailed the soldiers

for, hey, what do you guys got for me? I hope someone comes back with, have we tried sharks with laser beams on their head? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right. No, I mean, that's about where we're at. And also, like, if all of these, you know, of all of this, like, just take Carg Island or just open the straighter. Like, if any of these military options that these absolute buffoonish hacks, like Ben Shapiro and Mark Levitt, they all act like, all you got to do is this and then this and then this. It's like, yeah, okay, so why haven't they done that?

Well, it hasn't the, like, you're telling me that, like, Mark Levitt and Ben Shapiro, they know that there's this easy military option, but these bozos at the Pentagon, just can't figure out what that is. No, when emails are going out asking troops for creative ideas, it's not because they've got an easy military option that they just have out of the kindness of their heart chosen not to employ. That's not what's going on here. There are no military options.

I hope all the creative ideas was, why don't you take me out of this base in the Middle East because I'm in danger for absolutely no reason and serve as better lunch for morale? Yeah, there you go. They also, you know, maybe Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro have a point because our military was too stupid to apparently forecast that the Iranians were going to close the strait. So maybe they're just too stupid to realize that Kargaiil is an easy take and that that will get Iran to fold. Who knows? Who knows how stupid our military is?

Well, the truth, but the truth with all that is that, I don't believe for once. It's just not true that nobody forecasted they would close the strait of her most. I don't know. Trump got either fucking, he got moved either to just go along with it or to believe that somehow they could take him out before they would do that. But there's just no chance that there weren't a bunch of people who told him that they were going to close the straight of her moves. And also, you know, I mean, everyone, a whole bunch of people in the national security apparatus are on record. I mean, who was it? I think, well, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton, not that I trust. these democratic establishment figures, but there's a bunch of people I've heard, like, in the military or more like at the top of the national security apparatus,

who go, in every war game ever run with a ram, they close the straight of her moves. Like, so it's not even like, it would be a crazy level of incompetence to not already, like he already had this information available to him. And I'm sorry, but like in Donald Trump's first term, there were close calls with a war in Iran. there were actually times where he was deliberating whether or not he would strike around and ultimately didn't. I just absolutely do not believe that he was never informed that like this is one of the in every war game we've ever run. This is the outcome. So by the way, keep this in mind when you're thinking about whether or not you're going to let's just, it's just Trump lying as always,

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you know, think about COVID again and do some podcasts on it and have it kind of like brought up, you know, have it be really back in the conversation after not being as much for a period of time there. And it is just interesting where like, whereas I was listening to Brett Weinstein had a really great podcast on this the other day. But there is this dynamic that I guess all of us who were against the COVID insanity have where it's like we've won the argument in every conceivable way and still will. get nothing to show for it, you know? Like and but at the same time, I got to say, and maybe, I don't know, maybe I'm being too optimistic or something like that. But there's something that I find very positive about it. Like I still do find something about going, okay, fine, we're not getting what we should get, which is this guy and a whole bunch of others,

going to prison for the rest of their lives. But like, there's, is something, I think, valuable in getting to be, I've found, listen, I've been doing this for 20 years. I know there's something valuable in over time being able to be like, hey, you remember this controversial position that we took? Look how well it's aged now. And I do think there's something cool about that. And the people who are trying to defend Fauci, I mean, they look more pathetic than ever, if you ask me. What do you think on the whole thing? I mean, first, I think in terms of correcting the COVID mistake, it goes beyond just prosecuting Fauci, but you got to unwind the government grant system. You got to do an investigation of the relationship between big farm and

government and even just generally speaking, you know, the way the lobbying interests in large companies are able to basically hijack our government against the American interest. And Fauci is just really kind of the intro to that story. And on the positive side is just how many people are now aware of don't just tell me, hey, we got to just follow the experts or, hey, we all have to just get in line with government policy, or it's dangerous to allow for free speech if people are dissenting with government policy. I think the general public is more aware of the extent by which they can be lied to and manipulated. It is amazing to watch the way that, you know, the mainstream networks are trying to spin this. And they are literally just government state propaganda. That is all they are.

and it is so transparently on display. I can't even verbally say out loud the feelings I have while watching these individuals defend Fauci and what I think their fate should be because they're lying through their teeth. But it's incredible because I just feel like I'm watching Russiagate again where they're like, we did our jobs perfectly.

We were relaying the talking points from the government as we're going to see. That's not your job. You're supposed to be journalism. Listen, 100%. Listen, just hold that thought one second, Rob, because I actually want to do, before we go into the Dana Lash video, and you're, listen, dude, you're just 100% right about that. And you'll see what the role of what they, I mean, it's a great little example of, oh, yeah, this is why you guys lost all credibility. It's, I enjoy the reminder.

I just wanted to play before we get to that. Because, look, I know that I've done this like a few points throughout, say, the last year. year in a couple months, let's say June of 24 to now, there's probably been a few different points where I've said like, hey, this is where Donald Trump's legacy was destroyed or this is where his coalition loss. And there were moments like, well, look, obviously like launching the war and around the 12-day war and then covering up the Epstein files were big, you know, things. But then like, obviously launching the war again. And then I, if you remember, we did a whole show on the time, when he trash Tucker and Megan and Alex Jones and Candice and praised Mark Levine.

And you're like, okay, there you go. That was the moment. But I got to say, Rob, I know I pick, you know, several of these, but I don't think they're bad. I think all those moments I just really were moments where there was something about this moment that we're about to play. That I really, I understand I'm saying, these moments already happened. His presidency's already destroyed. His legacy is destroyed. His coalition is destroyed.

But this to me was almost just like, if you could have a moment that some, it all up. This is what Donald Trump said. Let's play the clip in response to the Fauci hearing. Well, the only thing you can really think about is the Odo Pen because the most powerful thing the president has, they say, is the power of pardon. So he was pardoned by Biden, and I respect that. I know how powerful it is. It's a very powerful. They say it's literally the most powerful thing a president has. Now, whether or not I signed my things directly always almost everything I signed directly you're witness to many of them he signed very few the only thing I know that he signed was Hunter Biden's part but I'm not sure that

he signed he probably didn't sign this one so I can't tell you what the law is I've heard that you have to have a lot of proof you need to have letters you need to have all sorts of things that the person operating the autopen has to know exactly what it's all about he didn't know what it was about because I saw him testify. So maybe there's something on the otopan. Other than that, the power of pardon is very powerful. So, Rob, what's that? I'm going to let him get away with it. And by the way, you really don't have to read in between the lines too much to hear what Donald Trump just said very, very clearly. I need a pardon myself. Well, let's not mess with the power of presidential pardons. Let's just let's let no, listen, dude, I don't know. It's a little bit of a legal

technicality. I mean, can he get away with it? Can he not get away with it? I know he ruined like millions of people's lives, but there's just not that much urgency to figure it out and go get it, you know, because we don't want to mess with the power of the presidential pardon. You know, that's whoever the president pardons, that has to stick. So let's just keep that president going. Gee, I wonder why Donald Trump would want to keep that precedent going. I'm just saying this, just here, prediction. Like I said, I'm not that good at making predictions before. Donald Trump will pardon himself at the end of his presidency. There you go. And this is why he won't, and this is why he won't go after any of the pardons.

Or try to even challenge it. Just try to get a win for the American people. Because whether anyone, Donald Trump doesn't care about anyone except himself, obviously. This is a little bit like the Epstein thing and that you just have to widen the scope a little bit, which is Donald Trump, if you're actually interested in going after the deep state, which I will say is a apparatus of corporate and government interest that is not working in the interest of the American people, You can go after Deborah Burks. You can go after Francis Collins. You can go after the guy from Pfizer, who's the head of the FDA.

We can go after Berla. We can figure out what the hell happened with COVID and find people criminally accountable, unwind the story, and clean up the structures that allowed COVID to take place. You can go after all the government officials that censor the Internet. You can go after people in the Biden administration. What you're signaling is, I do not care. I have no interest in cleaning things up.

And so fine, I'll give it to you. Biden got, I'm sorry. Fauci got a pardon. If you're interested in this storyline and cleaning up government after the massive failure that was COVID that took away people's rights, businesses, and locked us in our homes, you can go clean that up and still let Fauci off the hook. You're not interested in it. And clearly hear what he's signaling directly is, hey, listen, the Biden's changed the game of writing blank and pardons for your family. And I'm going to do that for myself on the way out. I'm going to do that for my family. We are milking this system. We sold out and we are taking every penny we can out of this

government on our way out. And I want to make sure that me and my family can have the same part and that the Biden's got. And he's very clearly saying it. Yeah. I'm sorry, man. That's just absolutely what's happening. And once again, I mean, I just, I love this example because, and the reason why I put this as one of those, like, if I had to like, if I had to like lay down a flag at like a few different moments that The reason why I lay one down here is because, look, I mean, drain the swamp and lock her up. This was right at the core of what was so attractive about Donald Trump to people. And here you have a very clear moment where he's got a choice between like, can he have the American people's back? Or would you rather do the thing that protects you and your family?

That's very blatant that that's the choice here. And it's an easy choice for Donald Trump, of course. We respect the auto pen now. absolutely it's so crazy when he needed your vote did he ever say that when he needed you when he needed your vote did he ever say love we got to respect the auto phone you ever say we're going to move on from fouchy i mean like honestly at this point i don't know how you can was it's just this objective right that like if donald trump had run on we're going to let fouchy go we're going to bury the ebstein files we're going to launch a couple wars and a round because that's the most important thing like

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you know, it is really hard to describe. And, of course, people, everybody listening knows. I don't know if you guys can hear the rain, but it is pouring here all of a sudden. And so I apologize if that comes across, but it's kind of soothing. But look, Rob, like, as everybody remembers. This is the sound of my flight delay. Yeah, well, it might be. Sorry, yeah. But so, as everybody remembers, right, in, say, March of 2020 or April of 2020, there,

I mean, those of us who were against the lockdowns were this, like, tiny little voice, you know, on our little shows. And then the corporate media was like this giant. This was six years ago, man, or was it a little more six and a half year, less than six and a half years ago. You know, this is not that long a period of time. And it was like, I mean, everyone in the world, it seemed like, was focused on the mainstream media, you know, to figure out what's going on. Everybody had NBC news on to see what the governor was going to say or what the, you know, like what Fouchy was going to. to say what Trump was going to say. It was all of it. And the mainstream had this, this narrative,

and they were the most aggressive, the most censorious, and the most slanderous of the people who criticize them. And it's been crazy to watch as now we come into a situation where the podcast scene is many times bigger than the corporate media and the consensus is that all of this was wrong and all of that stuff. And I guess this interview to me, and I think to a lot of people, just served as almost a reminder, even for those of us who have really focused quite a bit on this, that it's like, oh, yeah. It's almost like you still don't have enough contempt for these people. And this is a great, this is just like an amazing, almost case study in how state propaganda works, especially state propaganda, because as always is the case, right? This is the very nature of government.

The very nature of government is that it's an organization pretending to be something other than it is. You know, it's the, what was the old line? It's the mafia pretending to be like a human rights organization. You know, that's kind of the nature of what government is. Like this criminal organization that pretends, we're here for you. And so all of their propaganda always has to pretend that. So the way the propaganda works is you don't say I'm a state propagandist. you call yourself a journalist or a scientist or something, and you pretend that that's what you do.

But let's just take a look at this because, I mean, the tactics are just unbelievable. And I got to say, Bobby Kennedy, who I'm not that happy with. And I don't think it's done that great of a job. I'm waiting for the transformation here in our country where we all of a sudden, remember, the big problem was that we led the world in chronic illness. Well, two years later, we lead the world in chronic illness. You know, like none of these problems have even been remotely. approaching a solution or even have laid out what that solution might be. But that being said, does a goddamn good job in this interview. Anything you want to say before? You want to go to the tape?

We can go to the tape. All right. Let's do it. Virtually everything wrong the last time. What about now? The principal thing that we need to do is we need to listen to what's happening to doctors on the ground. There are 15 million frontline physicians around the world. They're mainly now connected through the internet. We can tell on the front lines what's working and what's not. If we had listened to those doctors during the COVID pandemic, we would have saved potentially millions of lives.

There were therapeutics out there that were working. There were doctors that were having no deaths from COVID and treating in some cases thousands of patients. And we weren't listening to them and said we were doing the opposite. We were shutting them down. And then Dana, the other thing that I would say is that we need to protect our constitutional rights. That that is the primary obligation. What does that mean?

Well, during COVID, we completely dismantled our constitutional rights. We began censoring people in violation of the first amendment. You're saying what not to do. I'm asking what to do. But I want to talk about- Well, that's something to do. That is the number one priority. We protect the Constitution.

The Constitution was written me. But you're just, you're talking about rights, and I'm asking about a potential public health crisis. That is. Sorry there. I muted myself because of the rain. I just already right there, right? The idea of like that protecting rights isn't the government doing something. And isn't it remarkable?

I mean, we are, however far we've drifted from this, we are a country that was founded by the Declaration of, independence that explicitly says that the role of government is to protect natural God-given rights. That's the role of government. In fact, it explicitly says that when government goes beyond that, we have a right to overthrow the government. That's the founding of our... We literally, when we celebrate the 250th anniversary, we're celebrating the ratification of that document.

This is a crazy concept. He goes, protect constitutional rights. She goes, what does that mean? But I want something we should do. Yeah, that's what you should do. And also, I mean, I think because Bobby actually wasn't good on lockdowns, at least initially, that's not what he went to first. But like the censorship probably isn't. If you were going like what constitutional rights were violated, I don't think the censorship is even the first one that I would name.

You know? But anyway. Well, speaking though to implementing good health policy, the censorship that took place deleted common sense from existence. And there were things that, you know, you could sit at home, be a fat drunk in your parents' house because they locked down the world and go, hey, the fact that I need to wear a mask into the restaurant but take it off does not make sense. Or you could look at general science, be like, I don't understand why being outdoors around other people is dangerous for my health. Or you could look at, you know, you could read a page of one thing and go, wait, there's always been natural immunity. And I've already gotten sick. Why would I need a vaccine in order to participate in society?

And what allowed government to run cover for itself as it implemented policies that made no sense because they wanted to keep us locked down and push a vaccine on us was that they engaged in Internet censorship. And so Bobby Kennedy's right here. It's like if you want to have better, if you want to have better health outcomes, you can use the high mind of the entire market, including doctors on the front line, who can actually tell you what's working, versus a centralized government authority that's been corrupted by big pharma and corporate interest and, you know, spooks like Fauci who will dictate policy that defy common sense, that if you got one asshole sitting at home going, the emperor is wearing no clothes, this makes no sense. Everyone can realize, yes, this makes no sense.

And so he's actually giving you a good solution to what went so wrong during COVID, which was we censored dissenters. And so we couldn't actually hear opposing perspectives. And that's how you implement. horrible policy. Dude, I remember it was, do you, I mean, there were things where, and I really, I'm sorry, I just don't give people excuses for this. Like, I don't know, maybe like for a very, a little bit at the very beginning. But, you know, because it's like, look, I understand if like my seven-year-old, like, all the kids were doing a thing and then she went to do the thing that all the kids were doing,

even though it was really stupid, like you sit down and kind of have a conversation. Look, I understand you got swept up in like what everyone. one was doing, but you really should have known. But like, you're an adult, man. You're a fucking adult. We used to have the, I remember, like, how crazy people got during COVID. Like, there were things like, we used to talk about this all the time where when you would do stand-up shows, where, you know, they would have like the weird thing where you

couldn't have the full crowd seated and stuff. And then there was, I remember doing, you remember doing shows where there were masks on, like, where in place that, which I only did a few. Because after a while, I was like, I'm not doing this anymore. I'm not doing this unless everyone can do. And there would be this thing where the rule was, if you guys remember during COVID, do you remember how you used to like, if you went into a restaurant or this is how it wasn't comedy clothes, you'd have to wear your mask coming in.

But then when you sat at the table, you'd take your mask off. You could drink and eat. And then if you had to go to the bathroom, you were supposed to put your mask on when you got up to go to the bathroom. And I would watch as someone like got up and forgot to put their mask on and started walking. And people would be like, ooh. And you're like, guys, this makes no sense. No sense. I literally remember like when I was on a plane and I would take the mask down and people next to me would like kind of be like, then if I ordered a drink, I could take the mask down and sit my drink.

They weren't worried. It's like, guys, if you're an adult and you're looking at that, you go, guys, you're being crazy. This obviously makes no sense at all. Can we think about this like logical adults? And then when you said that, these people would smear you in the most vicious way and then, as you said, try to silence you. It's like, I'm sorry, that's nuts. That's nuts. That's not following the science. That's being a crazy person and giving into propaganda. Hey, listen, there was a health emergency,

and so we were just going with the best information that we had at the time, and we had to seize everyone's rights because we didn't know what was actually going on. The lesson is not that we shouldn't seize people's rights because you can get things drastically wrong, and that's why the rights exist. And there's absolutely no reason for them if you can just declare emergency authority when things aren't actually emergency. If you're in healthy, you know, healthy, at the time, healthy groups, if you were a kid or generally healthy individual,

there really was no emergency, and we probably knew that two months in. But, you know, their argument is, listen, if you're upset about this, it was Donald Trump's fault. There's no reason to do a look back. We have actual health problems now. Learning from the mistakes of COVID and everything that went wrong wouldn't help future policy. And so why are we even doing a look back on this or review of the final?

work we did of keeping everyone in their homes for two years, freaking out and demonizing those that actually believed in a free country where they shouldn't have to take an experimental vaccine because of government force and coercion. That's their talking point. It was 100%. Dude, I don't know if you specifically remember, man, but I specifically remember this well. And I did it. I read it with you on an episode. And then I read it with Michael Malice on an episode because me and him used to do a lot of crossover episodes during the pandemic. And I remember Malice credited this as being one of the things that really turned the way he looked at the pandemic around. And this was in April. Okay, so this was April of 2020, maybe

two weeks, three weeks into April. And I remember it was the New York City, New York, NYC.gov, like the New York City government put out the data. If you remember it this time, New York was what they were calling the epicenter of COVID. So it was the most cases. and the most deaths were coming out of New York. So at this point, it had already been, you know, I don't remember exactly what the number of deaths was, but it was in the thousands. And they released the data by age.

And that changed everything. Literally everything about the way we all viewed the pandemic for the rest of the entire time. Because it was like, I mean, if you could literally, it was, I don't remember the exact numbers. If somebody wants to go back and find it, you can do the research, NYC.gov in April of 2020, the first batch of data on deaths by age that they released.

But if I, if I, if I, it was like, it was like zero through 20 years old, zero deaths, 20 through 40 years old, zero deaths, 40 through 60 years old, two deaths, 60 through 70 years old, 15 deaths, 70 through 80 years old, 300 deaths. And then it was like 80 through 100 years old, 3,000 deaths. And the second you saw that, you were like, oh, the survival rate is above 99.9% for young, healthy people. For the, the death. for everybody not severely compromised, either because they're very, very old. By the way, it had nothing to do with age. It was just about health. It's just that being very, very old is correlated with having bad, you know, health issues. But I'm just saying so by the time the vaccines came out, this is April 2020, the vaccines are not out until almost a full year later. At this point now, a full year later, we've been through waves. Everybody's gotten the thing. natural immunity has spread. It was so obvious that young, healthy people need not take an experimental mRNA vaccine. This was very obvious and common sense from the beginning without needing any

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Yes, they did. Yeah, let's go back to the CNN clip. That is coming, but I do want to, let's. And one of the mistakes we made in the last time was suppressing those rights so people weren't being heard. Doctors who were saying you're doing it wrong for being marginalized and vilified. Because, again, I really want to move on.

But you were saying, yes, I do. Because you were part of the problem. No, I wasn't part of the problem. absolute press malpractice we're allowing your mr secretary your job your job is a fierce skepticism okay word authority and you weren't doing that you i am beating my job is also no okay are you gonna you want to sit here and attack me or do you want to have conversations about public i'm not attacking you i'm asking you i'm asking you i'm asking

asking questions about how to prevent the next question i'll tell you that's what i'm trying to do But I also don't want to use this interview to allow you to say things that aren't entirely true. You're talking about therapeutics, fine. It is also factually true that the COVID vaccine worked. The COVID vaccine prevented deaths. There is data upon data upon data. Let's talk about the measles, please, because this is something that is happening as we... This is pause it right here.

The cases in the U.S. This is already pause it right here. And this is, again, this is... very clearly, this is the difference between a propagandist and a journalist. Obviously, Bobby is correct about this. Now, you don't have to agree with Bobby Kennedy about everything, but he is absolutely undeniably correct that if somebody comes from the government and says, you know, this isn't somebody coming from the government and saying, we think we ought to raise taxes by 30 percent. This is somebody coming from the government and going, we think we need to shut down

the economy. We think we need to shut down the economy. We think we need to suspend the Bill of Rights, we need to suspend freedom and institute, in the name of medicine, totalitarianism. Your job as a journalist is to be skeptical of that. Sorry, if your position isn't skepticism on that, then there is absolutely no role for journalism, period. And to say that your job here is to now carry water for the regime and attack anybody with skepticism for them who thinks maybe the government overreached and maybe who takes, who take, takes the radical position of, we should protect constitutional rights. Think about the skepticism that you get for saying we should protect constitutional rights versus the skepticism for saying we should abolish them all. It tells you everything you need to know about the corporate media right there. But Rob, I also got to say, simply asserting that someone else is lying and that the vaccine is perfect, now let's move on, is not journalism. You are taking a position in a debate and then refusing to debate it. You're saying the guy's wrong. but now let's move on. The COVID vaccines worked.

That's a fact. What the hell does work to mean? By the way, again, worked is a kind of like, there's a thing they got here with the vaccines, right, Rob, and this was very frustrating, is that they,

see, worked is vague. My marriage worked. Our last comedy show worked. Like, what do you mean by that? You know what I mean? Like, there's lots of different ways to measure this. You started by,

by telling everybody that if they put this thing in their body, which they're unable to take out of their body, that you could not get the virus or transmit it. That's what you sold the virus on. You, Dana Bash, you sold the virus on that. That was a lie. It was not wrong. It was a lie. There was no evidence to suggest in any of the clinical trials that if you got this vaccine, you could not get or transmit COVID. Absolutely no evidence. In fact, they didn't even test transmission. in the clinical trials. Okay, this is just not, it was a lie. They got people to put something into their body that they can't take out based on a lie, and then they move the goalpost to that to going, it cut down on severe hospitalization or death, something very unfalsifiable, in fact,

Rob, and then they can just say, worked and move on. It's disgusting. Yeah, well, the style of this interview is, hey, sir, I brought you on contest got you got your questions and this isn't going the right way so i'd like to pivot now and this is not what i want to talk about with the bitchy undertone of pretending like you're the professional and you're being the nice one and they're the one attacking you by just actually giving pushback and actually being right and she can't handle that because you know she doesn't want to be exploring this topic which is CNN engaging in propaganda and or whatever network this is and just being wrong for years on end uh and so she instantly goes well i i this

This is not what I want to talk about, so let's pivot to where you're messing up. Hey, let's not, I don't want to relitigate this because I can't possibly win this conversation. And this is about making you look bad, so I'm going to pivot here. Yeah, and it's, I mean, look, it's just, again, it's infuriating because it's like, as we always talk about, like, real people's lives were ruined over this shit. And even for people who don't like, look, I brought up the example quite a bit that I got a family friend of mine who was a, he was in college. He's a kid of one of my mom's friends. And he was in college in grad school when all the thing happened, right? And so he's in this graduate program, this Ivy League graduate school.

And they, so he had gotten, they made him get the VACs. They made him get double VAT, the two initial doses of the VACs, because they were going to kick him out. You had one year left in his program, and they're going to kick him out of school if he doesn't get the vaccine. So it's like, now, again, the kids in his 20s, he's perfectly healthy. He's an athlete. There's just absolutely no reason why he needed to get. this thing, right? So he gets the two doses. A few months later, I forget what it was, five, six months later, he gets COVID because that's what happens when you get the vaccine. You still get

it. So he gets COVID. The next month, the booster came out and they mandated the booster for his school. Now, I'm sorry, but you tell me, you show me one scientist in the world, me as a non-expert comedian, I'll debate any scientist in the world who wants to argue that a healthy kid in his 20s who got two doses of the vaccine, and then a month earlier had gotten the germ again, was doing nothing but taking medical risk by getting that vaccine. Absolutely nothing. I'm sorry, it is fucking criminal for medical professionals

to tell someone to do something that is nothing but a medical risk to them. Absolutely nothing. You should do life in jail for doing that. It risk a young 20-something-year-old's health. You fucking crazy? And then you would smear the, Those of us were none of us ever said that an old person who's never had COVID shouldn't take the shot.

Go take it if you want to. Let me sit here and tell me that a healthy 20-year-old who just had has better immunity, but according to every study, has better immunity than the kid who got the shot last month. He got the virus last month. Just insane. Can Dana Bash defend that? No. No one can.

There's not a scientist in the world who can. Anyway, let's keep playing. children? I think that what I have talked to scientists and doctors about just can you look can you show me one study yes I can that shows that I can children were protected by the COVID vaccine I can tell you that there are seeing more good than harm to children can you show me one study that shows I can tell you that when it comes to the vaccine there have been studies that show that because of vaccine disinformation disinformation they're could have been 100 to 200,000 lives in the U.S. saved, because people didn't get the vaccine.

For a second? I'm not saying that it. You just pause it for a second? The study that she's referring to actually said 250,000, and the study's complete fucking bullshit. Jay Batacharya and RAV did a great podcast on it. I have to look to it to find it. But it's complete bullshit. It's just complete bullshit.

Essentially, like, what they did is they, like, took the number of, of like they tried to take the death rate from before the vaccine and then say the death rate after the vaccine and then say if we had gotten, but there were all types of just like horrible factors in there. One of the things was that COVID only really killed very old, very sick people and something like 99% of them got vaccinated, really old, really sick people like all got vaccinated. And the only ones who didn't were because like their doctor were like, they're too sick to take a vaccine.

worried that the illness they get from the vaccine might actually kill them. So we can't give them the vaccine. So in other words, when they would sit there and say, look, vaccine compliance is at 72 percent or whatever, but we got to get it up to like 86%. The major problem that they weren't looking at was that you're not going to actually save a lot of lives if you're just vaccinating all of the 30-year-olds who haven't gotten it. It doesn't matter. They're not going to die from the thing anyway. The only way you're really going to save numbers of lives is if you vaccinate the very vulnerable people, theoretically, if it even helps them at all, which is not very clear that after they've had COVID, it was even necessary for them to do it. But regardless, the point is

that the study was complete bullshit. There actually weren't a lot more lives to be saved by vaccine people. But anyway, let's go back to this thing. Bobby asked her a specific question. Obviously, she's got the answer to it is no. She doesn't have a study that says this was beneficial for children because such a study does not exist. Now, let's keep lying. when it comes to the vaccine, there have been studies that show that because of vaccine, disinformation, disinformation, there could have been 100 to 200,000 lives in the U.S. saved. Because people didn't get the vaccine.

That's why I'm not saying that it entire. You are saying nonsense. You are saying something that you cannot show me. I am not saying nonsense. You are talking what somebody told you. Excuse me. And you cite me the study. No, what studies are you talking about?

You're talking about studies that actually don't exist. I want to talk about. I am not. You're talking about it. I am not here to defend. This is not productive. I am not here to defend all of it. Let me put it.

You can't support it. Pause it, please. You know, Rob, this is not productive. That's a great thing to say when you're just called completely on your bullshit. First of all, she doesn't even remember the study that she's referring to. She doesn't even remember the study. She didn't even get the numbers right.

She's just invoking it. It literally is exactly what Bobby's saying. Someone told you this and you're repeating it. But you can't in any, listen, in any debate, no matter what it is, if you invoke something and then can't name it, if I go, it was reported as this. And then you go, what's your source on that? And I go, you're making up sources. You go, no, no, no, you just made a claim. What's your source on that?

You know? And I got eyes. This isn't productive. It's not productive for you. I've got to say. I'm finding it very productive personally, but that's good. That's your opinion. All right, yeah, let's play a little more. Call you. You're telling me. I'm arguing. Okay. Do you want to talk about, you want to talk about assertions that you can't support? I'll get there in a second. Let me just say, for the record, that I am not saying that the entire way that the COVID reaction was accurate. It was a scary time and people made mistakes absolutely. You were scaring people. Why are you saying that? Because that was the job of CNN. Okay.

Just to put the Kairons up. How many people are not? We were trying to be, we were listening. Stop, stop. No, no, no, don't mention that. Don't mention that. By the way, when did they stop running that number of death? I can't remember exactly. Oh, yeah, it was as soon as Joe Biden got elected. soon as Joe Biden got elected, they stopped doing it. I mean, dude, they were trying to scare the crap out of people. One of the weirdest things about COVID was when good news would come out, or like someone would say we should be optimistic about this, and they'd freak out about it.

They literally, everybody who was there for the time knows. This was their business. And good for Bobby for saying it to her face. I do remember when they stopped reporting infections, and that was after everyone had been vaccinated because they didn't want people to see those numbers. And then I was in the Omicron. Yeah.

And then I also remember when they went from, please go get tested and it's covered by insurance to we don't want to test you. Yeah. No, that's right. Because they didn't all of a sudden it was really, and this is what happened, right, is that it was really, when they wanted, there was the lockdown regime and then it went into the vaccine regime, right?

So first they were locking everyone down, then they were trying to get everyone vaccinated. When they were locking everyone down, they were trying to scare everyone with how high the death toll and how high the infection rate was. But once they had gotten so much of the population vaccinated, the death toll was higher and the infection rate was higher. So they didn't want to put those numbers out because now we're in the vaccine regime and that makes it look pretty bad, like a year into the vaccine.

You know, if you have a disease and then you have a cure and then a year later, the disease is worse. You do bring that cure into question. You know, a year later, a lot of people have taken the cure and the disease is worse. That's typically not how it's supposed to go. I know this is up. I'm no scientist here, but you come out with the cure, you expect the rate of the illness to go down. I think it's reasonable. All right.

I got, I got to get it. Here, I'll play one more clip and then we'll wrap up. Robbie the Fire, porch door.com. Go see him on the road, people. Let's go back to the clip and I'll take us home. To the leaders in this country, including the president who had a daily press, conference, explaining what was going on and trying to listen. Were you listening?

I want to talk to measles. Were you reading the science yourself? Measles cases in the US just reached a 35-year high. The second record-breaking year in a row, 93% of these cases are among the unvaccinated. The outbreak is happening on your watch. And even before becoming HHS secretary for years, you have been one of the leading voices questioning the efficacy of vaccines. Do you accept some responsibility for this measles outbreak?

Absolutely not. First of all, this is an international outbreak. Okay, let's just leave it there. Because there's a bunch of other great clips from this. I encourage people to go watch the whole thing. But I'll leave it on that because, look, there's something interesting about this. Okay, so all of the stuff that we were just saying here, I don't really know how anyone can deny this about COVID.

this point, right? Like, can you deny, when I was telling you about that 20-year-old family friend, does anyone sit here or he's 25 or something? Does anyone sit here and go, no, no, no, no, even a month after getting the virus, he should have taken a booster, right? No one actually can argue with that. Nobody can actually argue that it made sense for the guy next to me on the plane to freak out when my mask fell below my nose, but it did, but then not freak out when I grabbed a can of soda and drank it next to him. No one can argue that that wasn't irrational, right? Like, obviously, that was irrational. And so if she's, let's just say, we'll start from the point, because I've always said to you guys, I'm fairly agnostic on a lot of this

stuff. And I don't know, I've seen Bobby be very sloppy with some of the arguments he makes before. And so I don't know that he's right about some of the things he says about the MMR vaccine or any of this other stuff. Let's assume Dana Bash's worldview is completely correct. But grant me the point, which is a pretty easy point to grant, as I was saying before, that the 25-year-old healthy guy didn't need a third vaccine after he had just gotten the virus, right? Let's say the MMR vaccine has nothing to do with autism. There is absolutely no correlation, or excuse me, there is a correlation, but there's no causation there, and whatever, you know, and it's great, and it prevents measles, and there's this outbreak happening because people aren't getting the vaccine, right? Like,

even Bobby points out, these are international numbers. It's not on him. Her point is ridiculous. Let's say it wasn't. Let's say her point wasn't for day. Let's say the outbreak was all in the United States of America. It was due to vaccine hesitancy. And so now she's going to sit here and ask Bobby, do you hold any responsibility for this? I mean, this is happening on your watch, right? Do you have any responsibility for this?

Hey, Dana, do you have any responsibility for this? Do you? Do you not all of us, I mean, look, there was a small group of people who didn't believe in vaccines. Pre-COVID, none of the rest of us were like that. The fact is that you guys lied through your fucking teeth about a thing that you called the vaccine, which is really debatable whether it should be called a vaccine at all or not. It's not a vaccine in the traditional sense. So you lied through your teeth about that and forced tens of millions of people to get the thing

when they didn't need it. It didn't work. It made a lot of them sick and it resulted in long-term injuries for many others. Are you responsible for vaccine hesitancy at all? Do you think that may not make people go? well, if they lied about that one, how do I know they're not lying about all the other ones? So even by your own, if you're right about all of this, it's still more your fault than anyone else's. That's where we could wrap up for today. Thank you guys very much for listening.

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