Part Of The Problem - The Cornell Scandal

Episode Date: October 7, 2026

Dave Smith brings you the latest in politics! On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave and Robbie "the Fire" Bernstein discuss Trump's quote about Iran drooping bombs on American cities, Ben Shapiro's viral statements about the right wing coalition failing, the handling of the Cornell scandal by various political leaders, and more.Support Our Sponsors:BodyBrain - Go to BodyBrainCoffee.com, use code DAVE20 for 20% off your first orderMy Patriot Supply - http://preparelikedave.comBubs Naturals - Live Better Longer with BUBS Naturals. For A limited time get 20% Off your entire order with code PROBLEM at Bubsnaturals.comRidge - https://ridge.com/potp10Part Of The Problem is available for early pre-release at https://partoftheproblem.com as well as an exclusive episode on Thursday!PORCH TOUR DATES HERE:https://www.eventbrite.com/cc/porch-tour-2026-4836968Find Run Your Mouth here:YouTube - http://youtube.com/@RunYourMouthiTunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/run-your-mouth-podcast/id1211469807Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4ka50RAKTxFTxbtyPP8AHmFollow the show on social media:X:http://x.com/ComicDaveSmithhttp://x.com/RobbieTheFireInstagram:http://instagram.com/theproblemdavesmithhttp://instagram.com/robbiethefire#libertarian See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

What's up? What's up good people. Welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem. I'm Dave Smith and he is Robbie the Fire. Bernstein. How you doing, sir? We're both a little bit more rested than we were last time we spoke. Yeah. Well, red eyes will do that to you, but they're worth it. Looking forward to Texas this weekend. And everybody, come out live Papa Scott Orden. I sold out Austin last year. So don't sleep on your tickets. It's not a giant property. And then following weekend, Chicago, Milwaukee, Cleveland, and Fort Wayne, Indiana.

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I enjoy those. I swear sometimes, like, if I didn't, like, have family and responsibilities and I wasn't already on a plane far too often, there are things like that. Like, that's when I go, ooh, I'd want to go to that. Like, I'd want to go. Why can I ever just? go. You know, that'd be fun. Okay. Anyway, I got, I got something pretty cool for today's show, Rob, which is that opening up off the top here. I think, Rob, Natalie, this is a big moment. I think I could

defend Trump. I got something to defend Trump on. You know, people have been, it's been like, geez, man, I guess it's been a year and a half now. I don't know, Rob, sometimes you just start talking, you lose track of time. But like for a year and a half, I've just been trashing Trump, like every single day. And then people will say sometimes, this is kind of, this is the biggest criticism I get from the Trump supporters, is they go,

dude, the whole show's turned into bashing Trump. And I get where they're coming from, you know, but he just keeps making me. And then, you know, I will,

I'll, if I'm being completely honest with you, Rob, it gets in my head a little bit. And like I notice it. Like, I just have like an internal counter where I'm like,

shit, that's 12 times in a row. I've just bashed Trump. And I've said, you know, nothing out. So anyway, that's been going on.

for a year and a half and I'm up to like 300,000 something, but I found one today that I think I can actually defend him on this. I'm also going to have to immediately rip him on the whole context of the bigger thing because the whole thing is awful. But on one very narrow, specific thing. And I think it's the charge, Rob that he was saying it's okay for Blue Cities to get nuked. I don't think that's what he was saying. That's all I got. That's all I got. supporters, I worked so hard to find something. Yeah, a couple kickers, and I guess you found one thing. But to your credit, that shows how hard you're working to try and defend them.

I'm trying my best to sell these midterms for you guys. That's what I've been trying to do this whole time. Here, but anyway, this was what I found. I found something else more kind of interesting about this. Let's just play the clip and me and you can discuss. Here's Donald Trump at his latest rally. I want to see a tremendous victory. you want to see a tremendous victory because it verifies all the things we did and again remember

with the word just artificial it's a little bit high it's a small price to pay for keeping the world safe keeping our country safe they could take out a city let them take out los angeles let them take out san die that's this is a very small price to pay and it's going to be over the person it's essentially almost over it and they might keep going a little long you know they'd always say they have a big threshold for pain. They need it. Let me tell you. They need it.

But it's going to end very soon. And it'll end one way or the other and your gas and your gasoline and all of the things. And don't. I want to see it. Okay. So this is the clip. Now, Rob, I got to say a lot of the people attacking Donald Trump here and me and you are very sympathetic to a lot of people attacking Donald Trump these days because he deserves the attack.

But what they're all saying here is that his statement was like let him nuke. L.A. Let them nuke San Diego. Now, it did seem like some of his crowd took what he was saying to mean that, because they started cheering like, yeah, nuke the blue cities or whatever. And a lot of people online are taking this like, look at Donald Trump. He's saying he doesn't care if America gets nuked. This is worse than what Hassan Piker said about us deserving 9-11 or what about the people who voted for you in California, which is the worst of all the arguments, that you're only supposed to care about nuking your own voters and not the citizens who didn't vote for you. I would just say, Rob, I don't think that's what Trump even said there at all.

I don't think that's what he meant. He was saying, he was saying, you think this war's costing a lot. But if I hadn't fought this war, the cost would have been nuking L.A. Let him do that. And then you'd see that, right, he wasn't actually saying, let him do that. So people are being unfair. Okay, so let me just be clear. He wasn't saying let them nuke.

L.A. I defend Donald Trump. What he was saying is that you think this war cost a lot, well, it would have cost a lot more if they had nuked L.A., which is simply just a lie to sell you on a disastrous war. He was just lying you into war. He wasn't saying, no one's going to nuke you. The nukes are all made up, guys. That's the lie. He knows they're not going to do it. He wasn't inviting them to use the nukes they don't have that they can't deliver to L.A. He was just flying you into a war? Most of the topics that come up on the show, I'm not an actual expert in. But in this case, I do speak fluent retard.

You could be subpoenaed to court to testify as an expert witness. As an expert witness. And Donald Trump speaks in sentence fragments or sometimes run-ons when he wants to just tag what he's saying. And in this case, that's just sentence fragments. that appeared to say like he was saying, let them, but that's not, that's not what he's saying. Right. That's not what he's saying. It is the more interesting takeaway about this, right? Is that this is, again, forget, you could even leave aside if you, if you like Trump or don't like Trump or whatever.

This is maybe the worst midterm pitch I've ever heard. And it might be the case that the people who still show up to the Trump rally still clap about it. But like your pitch is essentially that like I know things are bad, but you got to vote for us because they would have been even worse in the. And then when he says they're even worse, the only thing he goes to is this like fantastical scenario that like no one including him really believe. you know, like even if you're not even telling me they were going to nuke Israel, you're telling me Los Angeles. I mean, it just makes no sense whatsoever. No one thinks it's true.

And that's your pitch. And then things are about to get much better, Rob. You know, he ran on this like so much winning golden age nonsense. And now the pitch is actually that that golden age comes right after the midterms. I don't know, Rob. This, that's the real issue with this. It's not that he said something about nuking cities, is that he's just going down with the most pathetic, like, sales pitch.

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Preparelike Dave.com. All right. Let's get back on the show. Yeah, well, this is his campaign strategy because he said something similar in Alabama where if it wasn't for what I had done, they would have nuked you guys. And so it's once again a kind of the bridge and power plant day

where he's saying, hey, listen, I saved us from getting nuked by Iran. And I know that things look bad, but just they're holding out for the, midterms. So you just got to wait. And once the midterms are over, they're either going to walk back to the table and we're going to get a great deal or I'm going to be nuking them into oblivion. Hey, I hasn't said nuke them into oblivion, but essentially I, uh, options are on the table and I will take care of it and it will be over. So you just got to stick with me two more months.

And hey, guys, I'll get it. I can end the Ukraine, Russia war in one day. Just get me, just got to hold out. It's, um, I, I almost wonder, you know, like even in like the, the Fox News watching Boomer, who just, you know, is watching Sean Hannity. That's his source on this. You know, it's Hannity and Levin. And he goes, yep, these crazy Shiites, they chant death to America. They fund terrorism, been killing. But that time we're going to see them, you know, I got no problem.

They've been a thorn on our side for 47 years. We're going to go take care of them. Like, what have, I just wanted, like, when Trump says, also they were going to nuke loss Angeles? Is that guy like, yep, he saved us from getting new? Like, does anyone believe that? Or is even that guy like, well, that's Trump and his bluster? You know what I mean? Like, I have a tough time buying that anyone believes this is that. Like, we just, I don't know, we've, it's not like we didn't have an Ayatollah there before Donald Trump was there. No other president made the decision to launch a war against them. None of this had happened, but

somehow if Trump hadn't done it right now, who's behind that? I don't know. I generally, I really don't think anyone is, but I guess I could be wrong. Sometimes the black pill is not recognizing how stupid our fellow citizens actually are. And if people showing up to a Trump rally in Alabama are actually under the belief that Iran had the capability to strike us with nuclear warheads if it hadn't been for the actions of Trump. It's crazy because like if that is the case, you're like, man, we're just having such a different conversation. And, you know, it's like, dude, it's hard to even know what to say then. That's where you're at.

Oh, man, they were going to use the imaginable weapons, the imagined weapons. They were going to lose. They had them. They were deliverable. And they were here. Okay. All right. That is something.

Okay. Let's move on to this other clip, which was also going viral. I found this to be really something. I don't even think I can give this an introduction. here is Ben Shapiro's latest pre-midterm cope. There you go. They're very, very, very close races. And when you spend your days demoralizing Republicans and telling them all is for naught,

see democratic demoralization that the El Cyanides or the Mondani's, that is demoralization with the system. And so you get Democrats to go vote for it because, again, they are the ones who are outside the system. But if you're a Republican supposedly, like supposedly Tucker is, and you're spending all day just ramming down this idea that you were betrayed 80 years ago and everything has gone wrong since and Donald Trump is a tool of Israel and all the rest of this kind of stuff. If you say all of that and you drive down on the polling numbers, you could cost Republicans the Senate. All of these are very, very, very close races.

And when you spend your days, demoralizing Republicans. All right, that's all. I just, listen, man, I don't know what to say. I don't know to say. I mean, this was the easiest prediction ever. It was the easiest prediction ever. I thought Tucker Carlson doesn't matter. Ben, you told us that the lesson of MAGA still supporting Donald Trump's war was that

turns out Tucker Carlson doesn't matter. Now, how is it in the most predictable transformation ever that we've gone from he doesn't matter to he's now going to cost us the Senate? And how is he going to cost us the Senate by saying that Donald Trump's controlled by Israel? That's the issue, Rob. If you point that out, and like don't get me. me wrong. There is, it's the most ridiculous kind of circular argument. It's a truism. So of course, there's some truth to it. But it's like, yeah, if you point out the failures of this administration,

that probably won't rally people around this administration. Okay. Not the best argument to not point out the failures. Yeah, that's COVID talk right there. Can't, can't ask the question. questions, you can't point out the truth because then people are going to lose faith in our health administrations. Well, if the administration is not giving you good health advice, then you shouldn't be trusting them. That doesn't actually help you. And in this case, he's saying the direct inverse of what we were saying six months ago, which is you promise us no new wars. You're flirting within absolute quagmire. You're going to lose the support of all of us because we can't be here, and you're going to end up with the Democrats back. And they go, nope, we don't need your support.

and this thing is too important. And you guys decided that we did not matter. We were not a part of the winning coalition. You were not going to represent us. And now it's six months later, and you're going, oh, shit, we lost our winning coalition here. And the Democrats are going to come back

and it's your guys's fault. No, you abandon us. Well said, man. Yeah, dude. I mean, I don't know. I can't really add much to it. That was it. That's the clip right there.

I mean, it's literally said here and told us, you spit on us, You don't matter. Get out of here. We don't need you. We're pursuing the policy that we promised we wouldn't. Okay. There were costs to that. Those aren't ours. Those are costs you incurred. And, you know, of course, what's always shocking about these things in a way is just like, I don't know. There's there's just very little intellectual depth to this argument. Because, Rob, obviously, it's a bit of a situational, right? Like, if,

Let's just say if there was like a really, really good candidate, but not perfect, running up against a terrible candidate. And we focused on the stuff that wasn't perfect. You could understand where there'd be an argument to be like, hey, you're focusing on this. You're kind of hurting this guy. Why don't you talk about some of the fair stuff and not get something worse than him? There's an argument to that, right? But then there's also an argument.

Like you have to control for two problems, not just one. because the other problem is that someone gets in there on your side and you won't criticize them, even when they're fucking up on everything, just for the sake of denying the other side. You know, take that to its conclusion. And what does that make you, Ben Shapiro? Oh, yeah, a complete fraud, sellout, hack, who won't talk about anything bad about the Republicans because we just got to beat the Democrats. That's a problem, too.

Also, there is this presumption built into what Ben Shapiro's saying, where then, you know, Tucker Carlson, who's presumably a Republican, should be trying to help the Republicans. What type of presumption is this about the nature of politics? If I'm a Democrat or a Republican or a libertarian or an independent, you're a member of the Green Party or the Forward Party or whatever, I think it stands to reason that you're a member of this political party because you believe in something. And you feel that this party represents whatever you believe in. It's not just for the sake of this party. You don't join the Democrats because you love the letter D

and you just want to see more people with the letter D next to their name no matter what. The goal isn't to get more Republicans. The goal is to get the policy that you think is the right one. You know, so like the goal for me is liberty. The goal isn't any party, including the libertarian party. You know? Like, it's not like if the Libertarian Party, I used to use this example all the time, but if like, if Joseph Stalin ran on the Libertarian Party, you don't vote for him. It doesn't, because it doesn't matter that it says Libertarian next to his name.

He's not one. And likewise, if Donald Trump is out there saying no new wars and then Tucker Carlson gives the keynote address at the Republican National Convention and endorses the guy promising no new war, It's not as if because Tucker is Republican, therefore when that guy launches wars, the assumption is that you still want that guy to succeed. Why would it be? No, the presumption would be that he wants new Republicans who oppose the war to come in, right? Why would the assumption be? You're just there for the sake of the party. Yeah, well, they're desperate and they're trying to shame us all to get back in.

line and fear the Democrats, but, you know, I don't know, war was kind of the, uh, the big thing. That was the one that, uh, you get people to walk away if you did, and they did it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just, just terrible, like, like, you know, political malpractice in a sense. And they, and they committed the malpractice so they could get their war. It was the only way they could really get it. And that meant more to them. But no, if you cared about winning the midterms, if you cared about the coalition, then you couldn't launch this war. There's not a coalition big enough. people hate this too much. And so that's that.

And now, you know, it's essentially over in terms of the domestic agenda, or at least it seems to me. I mean, perhaps the only hope here really is that the Democrats will, what, you know, what's the old saying? Snatch a defeat from the jaws of victory? I mean, they're trying. They're trying. I really am, I got to say, and I did want to talk about this a bit, Rob, I was fairly surprised by the reaction to this, this Princeton scandal where this young woman is suing. Not Princeton, Cornell. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. Not Princeton. Cornell. My mistake. Confused those Ivy Leagues. This Cornell scandal where this girl is suing the school and one of the fraternities there is well as several former students, I believe. I got to say, I first heard about this story, and I did not think it was going to blow up into the national story that it did. It was, I got to say, it was an interesting little sociological experiment because it was kind of almost like, it was almost like you ran the Duke lacrosse case, but with Twitter.

And, man, does that change? a lot about the nature of it, the information that you get out right away. Also, I will say the cruelty on all sides, you know, is also pretty harsh. Although, I suppose, there was no shortage of cruelty in the Duke Lacrosse case

toward the boys. Anyway, I guess I was a little bit surprised, you know, seeing Rob as how woke 1.0 was crazy. I was a little bit surprised that so many people essentially just ran the Duke lacrosse. You know, so many people in the corporate media literally just did the exact same thing. We are just going to treat this without asking any questions. We are just going to treat this as if it's obviously if she said something, then they tortured this girl and gang raped her for over the period of multiple hours.

And that's just a given. I was really shocked in some ways that they're still just the fact that they wouldn't have gone like, I don't know if we can get away with this anymore. This might look really bad. I was surprised they didn't. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Body Brain Coffee. Testosterone levels have been declining for decades. We're more stressed.

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ketamine uh to be wanting to have sex with multiple men I'm not telling you that you can't do it. I just don't think that's probably what you should be doing. And I also think if you're a dude in a fraternity, uh, hopping on the opportunity of, hey, there's a available person here and we're doing ketamine for the night is probably not. And I'm not the most conservative of individuals, but I did, I did not do these kind of things in college. And it's a little shocking to me that kids in better schools and where I went, uh, are engaging in this kind of behavior. Uh, with all that said, I'm not, uh, I think sounds like two people were certainly consensual. And, and, uh, you know, it sounds like two people were certainly consensual and some of the later individuals are more in question. I don't really know

how those rape cases will play out. And I'd like to see more of the case to find out how definitively it was one way or the other. And there's just too much shit getting mixed in right now. It's like after that female killing, there's a lot of conversation about feminism and shirking responsibility, but then also if a lady clearly said no to later men, then I guess that that is rape. But well, of course, Listen, man, I mean, that's the kind of the interesting thing about, well, I'll say this, Rob, do you remember this was a thing? You remember I got, this was one of my controversies from from years ago. I guess it was a thing I said back in like 2017 and then in like 2020, someone like unearthed, this group unearthed it, you know, and posted it. And then I just posted the full version of it to just be like, hey, here, yeah, here it is.

I'll share it from my much. I always, by the way, very interesting thing when people try to use a clip of a podcast I'm on as like a gotchoo. Like I said it into a microphone. I was trying to get people to hear it. I wasn't. But no, so I had said this back in 2017 when this was like, you know, that feminist period was one of the conversations. But there was this topic about the consent and drunk sex. And there's always this tremendous amount of conflation that goes on.

Like they'll use the word drugged. You know, they drugged her or something. And you're like, hey, hey, hey, dude, when you say you drugged someone, that means you against their will gave them drugs, right? Or tricked them and trick them, slipped them a drug. That is totally, two people doing drugs is not one of them drugging the other one. So let's get clear about that. And I made it very clear that they were.

I go, look, the only question is like, did you voluntarily take the drug? Did you voluntarily take the drink? Now, what will happen is people will act like you're saying, which is clearly not what you're saying. They'll act like you're saying, oh, so if she says no after that, then you've consented. No, of course, anyone can be forced in any state. You know what I'm saying? But the point is that they'll say that no matter what after that, there's no consent.

And I mean, that's completely ridiculous. This is just completely ridiculous standard. It infanticizes women. It makes no sense. It's just not, and it's not, it's not true. It's an insult to people who actually are victimized. So that's one thing that gets in there too. It's a very weird thing where it almost, in a way, Rob, it almost calls feminists bullshit.

Because feminists want to pretend like men and women are equal. there are no inherent differences between the two of them, and that there's no reason why boys and girls can't both be in this environment like this. But then at the same time, there's a clear double standard, which every anti-feminist loves to point out, which is that, well, you never say when the guy's drunk, therefore he didn't consent. If you're saying once there's drinking and drugs involved, you can't consent, then everybody is equally predator and prey in this situation.

They clearly still look at the men as predators and the women as prey. And I think, Rob, there's actually a reason for that. That kind of makes sense. They don't want to admit it because it contradicts their whole worldview. But the actual truth is that men and women, in this case, I suppose you could say boys and girls, debating on how you want to draw that line. It's not the same thing. It's not.

You know, I don't think there's anything, I don't think anything, criminal happened in this case, and I'm much more certain that you won't be able to prove anything criminal happened in this case. But those boys did something to that girl that was wrong. It was evil. You should not do that. And that is because there are differences between boys and girls, differences between men and women. It's not the case that if seven girls did that to a boy, it would be evil and wrong. It is the case that if seven guys do that to a girl, it's evil and wrong. the feminist mind has absolutely no way to like grapple with that, that these are just different things. Also, by the way, Rob, you're never going to hear the story where seven girls did that to a guy

or very rarely going to hear that because there's differences, you know? Yeah, dude, I lived a very debauchous lifestyle, but I never did that. And I got to say it is, I agree with you. It's crazy that this is happening on college campuses. That's kind of the bigger story here. And look, I'm really not trying to be too prudish about this. It's, look, Rob, if, you know, dude, there's married couples, you know, who swing and do stuff like that. Not my deal.

I have a, I'm very happy with my sex life. It involves just me and my wife. And we don't, you know, we're quite happy that way. But there's people who have orgies and swing and stuff like that. And I do not, it's not my cup of tea. I don't, I don't think it's good for, like, for. like long-term stability overall, but I really don't judge people who do that. And I don't necessarily think that like if two 30-year-olds want to go do something,

you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not just, but the idea, and I got to say as, you know, having kids looking at the world differently, the idea that we just accept that like 18-year-olds are going to school and like this type of stuff is normal. Okay, this is not normal, let's say. This is an extreme example. but the environment that led to this is kind of just normal. It is, I cannot explain to you how bizarre that is to me.

And there's a lot of things. I know this guy talked to a lot of anecdotally, but I talk to a lot of people around my age who have kids around my age. And it's a big generational thing, I'll say, Rob, where a lot of us are like taking these things that we took for granted. Many of us lived through this, you know. But now as we reassess it for our kids, it's like, dude, we don't do sleepovers.

The idea of sending your kids off to these colleges. Like, all this stuff is just out, man. It's just, it's so crazy that this, essentially, Rob, a story like this comes up. The feminists come up and yet, believe all women, blah, blah, blah, this and that. The anti-feminists slap down all the feminist nonsense. And then we all go away with no broader conversation about what the hell is going on with our kids. This isn't an Ivy League institution. Well, I guess the, or at least one of the schools is Ivy League.

And I'm sorry, go ahead. The part that's just, I mean, listen, there's a lot about this. This is wild. But, you know, I've, I've drinking too much in my life and I've smoked too much weed in my life. And luckily, basically avoided all hard drugs. And you could count on my two hands, how many times I've interacted with some of the, the harder drugs.

And a lot of my college drink, well, the early days. or the smoking weed was like loser shit of like you know video game playing and like you know i was not out hanging out with women being cool and then the later drinking was uh being a weirder at open mics and talking to nobody and kind of drinking my way through open mics like almost like as a 40-year-old 24-year-old um i mentioned i mentioned fell in love with that rob exactly but i was i was not doing the the what this college parting is but it it's just amazing maybe there's just other individuals who actually handle their drugs better than i do and i actually think I handle my shit pretty well, all things considered.

I don't know how you casually do ketamine on the fucking weekend. And then you're showing up to your classes on Monday and are doing well. Like I just don't know how people seem to get this debauchrous and then end up with jobs and lies. But I guess they do it. You know, I guess maybe just the Ivy League kids are actually smarter than I am and party. By the way, I'm not saying that what they did is, is or is not a comment on the rape that occurred.

This is or did not occur. Well, it's not clear. Yeah, yeah. This is a comment on just, I'm almost, uh, Marvel, I guess, the way that people, other people seem to rebound from their drug use or that there's less of a conversation of how, like, guys don't be doing shit like this. I always, um, well, I agree with that. I also got to say, I've, I've always been kind of surprised at the, um, the level of risk

that these girls take. you know, like it's, it's, and I do think it's indicative of the fact that we generally are just really not honest with, with young girls. It's unbelievable. I mean, they just like, we don't prepare them at all for the reality of these situations in many ways, in many ways in life, we're like that with young girls. Society really has like, I think, failed young girls in a lot of ways. And one of them is this, a major one is this. But it's, it, it, It's always wild to me. Look, like, okay, anytime if you go out and meet someone and get drunk,

someone you just met you have a one night stand with them, let's say. The guy's taking a little bit of a risk, like if you go to her house, she could have people waiting there to rob you or whatever, dude. You don't know. And by the way, that's not the worst scam ever, right? Send a check out to go talk to guys at the bar, bring them back. Like, I don't know. Like, it's somewhat of a risk.

But, dude, the risk that women take when they're, they go home with the guy that they just met? Like, I just mean the physical risk to you. You are in almost all situations. You are, like, totally vulnerable to this guy. You know, you're, and I mean, the level of vulnerability that, like, young girls in this situation put themselves in is kind of, it's startling to me. And I think it's part of it is that they're not, like, I don't know.

They're, the ideology seems to tell them that they have no responsibility, you know, like it's and in fact it's victim blaming or something like that even when it's not entirely clear who a victim is i mean she's a victim of something it's not exactly a i don't know it's just a very strange dynamic where it's just kind of like oh like i mean the idea of like a you know a 19 20 year old girl like going to a pre party having six or seven drinks then go into the frat party then going to the after party, then being in a situation, then going, I'm going to go into a room with the guy and get naked and hook up with him, but I only want it to go to here, not here. I mean, look, I'm not removing any culpability from the man in that situation.

I would absolutely have the expectation of my son that he'd be nowhere near any situation like that. I'd be like, I cannot even begin to say how disappointed I would be. But like, I'm sorry, that is a crazy situation for that girl to put herself in. And it's wild that we can't like talk about that. Anyway, look, man, the details of this case, of course, as they come out, they're one of these things that are like, it's obviously very murky. Any time you get into a situation like this, it's very murky.

But I also do think that like we got to be honest with women. And we got to be honest about like, look, you put yourself in a situation like this. Like, let's just say, because here's essentially, or some of the details of what happened, right? Essentially what seems to have happened here is that she's still texting with the guy. There's one guy in the group which she seems to be kind of into, and she agreed to a threesome with him and one other guy. More people got involved. She then wants to do it again. She wants to have another threesome with just those guys, but she's like, not the other five billion.

Ha ha. Let's do it again with just us. I'll say this is a thing again. We don't teach boys about this. If a girl's willing to do that, you still shouldn't do it. It's not criminal if you do, but you're still kind of taking advantage of her if you do. Generally speaking, girls don't really want that. And if they do, it's kind of because they're broken and they think they want that,

but they're quite possibly not going to like it on the other side of it. You're better off just staying away from stuff like that, man. It's just not good for you. It's not good for your soul. It's not good for the person you're doing it to. It's a bad way to live. That being said, if we're going to be honest with young girls here, if you're talking about trying to prove a crime,

it's already going to be nearly impossible when you go into a private room and it's going to come out to be a he said, she said type of situation. It's going to be very difficult to ever prove a crime. And then on top of that, man, if you continue talking to those people and you continue trying to hang out with them

and you continue trying to have sexual interactions with them and you continue, it's going to, at the very least, blow open the reasonable doubt question. look, I'll tell you, Rob, this is an area that I think maybe I grew a little bit on that actually maybe some, some women kind of convinced me. I used to think, like, if, you know, when you'd find out these stories that a girl accused a man of assaulting her in some way, but then you find out that they were hanging out five days later, then you find out that they went out drinking, they were still friends, and you go,

oh, that totally destroys your story. Clearly, it didn't happen. Okay, that wasn't really fair of me. a very male reaction and maybe that's not entirely fair you know women could there could be a real situation that even i would consider an absolutely hey she said no and you did it anyway that is absolutely you know uh uh you violated her that was criminal and maybe that girl doesn't want to admit it to herself maybe she feels pressure maybe she feels embarrassed so she still goes back and hangs out with the guy but then later she's like now i've i've figured it out of my mind and i've worked up the courage

i want to talk about this that okay that could happen in fact that probably does happen But I think, Rob, is this reasonable to say we also can tell those girls that, like, look, man, at that point, unfortunately, it's going to be impossible to prove criminality. You just destroyed the reasonable doubt of this story. And I know that sounds kind of harsh because in some situations, you'll be saying that to a victim and you're not going to get justice for being victimized in this way. But this is true with every crime, no matter how heinous the crime is, no matter how bad the victim. victim is. We simply can't just believe all women. You can't believe all accusers. That's not how a society with any semblance of freedom works. You know, like, you just kind of got to understand that if a crime happens to you, especially a crime like that, the only way you're ever going

to get justice is if you go to the police right away. And you know what I'm saying? Because if we're not being honest with that, what is the workable system, Rob? There is none. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Ridge. I love the Ridge wallet. I've had it for years. I used to have an old brick wallet like a loser, one of those old leather wallets like my grandpa. But then I switched over to the Ridge. It is way cooler. It has everything you need. It's unique, slim, modern design that holds up to 12 cards plus cash. It's actually a conversation starter. You pull them out and before you know it, people are going, hey, what's that? That's really cool. They're made with premium materials like aluminum, titanium and carbon fiber. They're very futuristic and

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yeah you have that problem in other ones like if you get into a car crash and sometimes like you have an adrenaline dump so you think you're fine and you don't go to the hospital immediately and build that case it just you're not you're probably not getting the damages like you can wait up a week later and find out like a disc is out of place in your back but if you didn't go or at least from what I understand if you didn't instantly go to the hospital to indicate that it was clearly from that it becomes a pretty hard case to build yeah now I mean that's yeah I understand where and look I mean if if if you were if you were mugged and beat up and then you went and hung out with those guys a bunch after I'm sure that would make it harder to claim you know also just to remind the

audience saying that a case is hard to prove criminally does not endorse behavior well of course not of course not no look man no one should be like anywhere near this situation but at the same time you get look this is the difficult reality that that we all face and no nobody by the way in these such you no one wants to have nuanced conversations about this everyone wants to be on one side or the other but the truth is that there is no you if you are going to have an environment where people where 18 19 20 year olds are getting blackout drunk regularly having casual sex and casual hookups, and they're all partying in these environments. You are going to get both of the following things.

Both of the following things. You are going to get boys who group women, do things to women. There will be times where they say no and don't want it and they do it anyway. That is criminal. And even though it happened in the context of this crazy environment, that person should be prosecuted for doing it. because adults are responsible for their actions. Adults in this case being used loosely,

but still will treat them like adults for legal purposes. Also, you will get instances where something... Okay, because broadly speaking, broadly speaking, girls tend to not just want to get railed at the frat party. They want boyfriends. Some of them don't admit this. broadly speaking, this is the truth. When you have this environment where girls are just hooking up,

what is happening often, now, you know, if you do this at scale, very, very often, not necessarily always, but often girls are giving it up in hopes that them being so cool and being this chick will actually make the guy ultimately like them and want to spend time. Oh, she's the coolest. Oh, she's the best. Okay, so it's kind of that. Then guys, on the other hand,

generally are not just looking for a girlfriend. 18, 19-year-old guys are driven by trying to get laid. This is physiologically the truth. And so they don't end up giving that girl the thing that the girl kind of wanted after that. And then those girls, given this backdrop of modern feminism, will be convinced by other girls that they were the victim of a crime when in fact no crime was committed. And the girl is just lying and saying that it was a crime.

When in fact it was consensual, she agreed to it, She just wanted something more and didn't get it later. Both those things happen a lot. Both of them happen a lot. Both of them ought to be criminal. The one case what the guy did is criminal. In the second case, what the woman is doing should be criminal. You can't try to deprive someone of liberty,

try to get their life ruined and have them thrown in a cage when they didn't do it. That's evil also. And so when we have both of these problems, we can't automatically know which case you, you're in. There's got to be some process of figuring out which one. You know what I'm saying? In one scenario, someone is victimized. In the other scenario, someone's accused of victimizes someone and didn't. So when you have a scenario like this, look, it comes out that, did you read the part that the frat president basically did the right thing and put the kibosh to the

whole thing and said she can't come over anymore and you guys can't do this here anymore. This is too risky. This is not okay. And then that's where it seems to have really popped off. When she was still being allowed back in, it didn't seem to be a problem. And so just that right there, you go, look, we have no way. We have you on record saying this was consensual. We then have you attempting to hang out with the guys again.

And then at a later date, you change your mind and determine that this was an assault. I think it's very reasonable to say the only way to have liberty is to say that if we're going to punish someone of a crime we have to prove that that crime committed and we can no longer prove this crime was committed and I think we should be really honest about that with women

you know and tell them that like, yo, don't put yourself in this situation. You're not even going to have any recourse if you do. I don't see what else is the answer, Rob. Yeah, I'm going to wait for more details to come out in court. Yeah, no, that's not bad. Well, here's who's not waiting for more details to come out. Let's check in with AOC immediately, of course, just jumps on on top of this. Seven men drugged and gang raped a 20-year-old woman. They lured her in to a fraternity house.

They drugged her with ketamine. They then posted to a group chat that she was incapacitated and seven men took turns gang raping her for seven hours seven okay i i let's pause it right there i this is really rob not one of those statements is true dude not a one and nobody including her is claiming that a one of those statements is true nobody is claiming they lured her there we have the text messages they didn't lure her her there. Nobody is claiming she didn't consume the drugs voluntarily. She has admitted to this. This is not even in question. Nobody, well, I guess she is now saying, nobody is actually saying it was all seven. Initially, she said it wasn't. Now she's saying she doesn't remember it might

have been. But it certainly no one is like conclusively, it was all seven. I believe the claim is that initially there were two that were consensual. but now they're wrapped up in the claim because they might have partaken in activities after the next two that were, she was then a no-to. Right. But the idea that someone had given her drugs and she passed out and then seven people just had sex with her is definitely not the claim. That is not true. Also, the message that they posted did not say she was incapacitated.

That is a huge deal, man. Like they intentionally try to like kind of, you know, like slip these things together. But it's not, that's not right, Rob. That's not at all what happened. I mean, objectively. And so, I don't know. I mean, I'd say, I don't know if I ever, I don't know if I ever have said this before. Maybe I have.

I'm really not a litigious person, Rob. Like, I hope they sue the shit out of AOC for this. Shouldn't they be, I mean, this is like a crazy thing for a sitting congresswoman to say about something that happened in her, you know, well, I guess, I don't know, whatever. It's not, I don't know if it's in her district. Or fine. But whatever. She's a, she's a congresswoman of the state in question here. And it's like, you're just going to say, you're just saying these boys committed this horrific crime.

When it's not even clear they committed a crime at all. Like, this is like, I don't know. There's something about like, this reminds me in a way of like the Covington Catholic schoolboy thing, although I get that guy was a complete innocent, so I shouldn't lump him in with them. But the way that they'll just like go after like ruining a young person's life, you know, who's like is a citizen, however you feel about them, is entitled to like a fair trial of some sort before. Like, and not only that, but she's just getting it wrong. She's not even giving like the most dramatic version of the alleged victims story here.

Just, right? Just make up whatever you want. Make it the most fanciful thing. I do got to say, man, this is, the Democrats going in to win here. This is, and that's why I prefaced it like that at the beginning. Like it does see what this. This is a thing that could backfire and turn a lot of people off, man. People are over this shit.

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Just head to bubs naturals.com. That's B UBSNaturals.com and use the promo code problem for 20% off your order. All right. Let's get back into the show. Yeah, I think it's way too early to hop on to the story of this lady was clearly raped by seven men. I think that's a false narrative, which is not to say that something didn't take place later. I'm waiting for more details on the story. But just for AOC to hop on right away and go, you know, all of these individuals at the

rat, we're clearly, I mean, if you want to have more of a moral conversation of what's going on in our society that people are ending up in these situations or culturally, we got to make changes, but that's a different conversation than New York rape laws and whether or not seven men raped this one person. Yeah, yeah. Here, let's do the Mom Donnie's tweet as Mom Donnie, of course, had to post about this. Do we have, I thought I sent that to you, but I could be wrong actually about that. Natalie, sorry, just as I said that, it crossed my mind that maybe I didn't send it. Oh, I did. Okay, there we have it. Okay, the allegations in the Cornell sexual assault case are deeply disturbing and gut wrenching. Cornell University has failed this survivor. I fully support Governor Hockel's decision to name Attorney General James' special prosecutor in this case and look forward to more of the complete and extensive investigation that is to come. Accountability and justice cannot simply be values. They must also be delivered. And look, okay.

not as egregious as AOC, but I'm sorry, like, when you call her a survivor, you're calling them guilty. Like, that is implicit that she was the victim of this crime. And if she was, then they're guilty of the crime. This is wild. You should be ashamed of yourself to be a political leader and weigh into something like this. Again, there are two errors that we have to control for here, not just one. It is true, Rob, that if this woman was, if something criminal did happen, then that's horrible and people should be held accountable.

But it's also the case that we got to be concerned about saying people who weren't criminal were. And I got to say, man, in this case, the evidence points in the direction that nothing criminal happened here. So this is crazy to have politicians leading the charge like this. Yeah, and I think maybe Natalie can look this up, but I think Latita James already made a pretty, a comment along the lines of not pursuing justice and investigating the case and more, you know, making sure that the people are being held accountable.

It's just a, yeah, it's, there's something really disturbing about like politics leading, like, prosecutions in this manner. You know what I mean? just not the way it should be done. Let's play, I just sent the clip over from CBS this morning. I thought this was fairly interesting. Let's check out their coverage. I heard the DA say that he wants to see if anything was omitted.

If it was, in fact, omitted, does that clear him, does that clear him of how he's handled this case? No, not in my opinion. Look, we can sit here and parse her words at infinitum. The fact is, I thought we were in a place post-Me2 where we understood that this trope of the perfect victim doesn't exist. We now really do understand that in the wake of trauma, a victim can behave in ways that, you know, aren't necessarily, don't necessarily make sense to us. We know from Harvey Weinstein, victims can text their, you know, accusers or you're,

excuse me, they're rapists after the fact. They can engage in. Say flattering things to them. Absolutely. To try to reconcile what potentially happen. And frankly, she may not be the one in the best position to decide whether or not what happened was illegal. I mean, the DA has sort of, you know, in my opinion, thrown her under the bus in ways, you know, saying, well, she can't come to those legal conclusions. Okay, well, this statement of what she thinks constitutes criminality, well, that's a legal conclusion as well. And the point is, we're not sitting here rushing to judgment about what took place. We're not, we should, and we shouldn't, we really shouldn't. We should let the grand jury sort that out. But at the heart of it is how this investigation was handled.

Gone are the days when district attorneys are only indicting stranger rape cases in the back alley, right? We have a nuanced understanding of really a picture of what a sexual assault looks like on, for example, a college campus. And there should have been more investigation, period, in this case. I mean, you said, you know, gone are the me-to times. There's no perfect victim. but there are text messages between this alleged victim and some of the, you know, alleged rapist. And one of them even says, I'm going to quote here, she said none of the sexual stuff was illegal. She said that, you know, she would be open to doing something with them in the future, except not with the five billion men and some ketamine.

How does that impact, though, a potential prosecution case? And one of the accusers appears to be apologizing. Look, I'm sorry that that went down that way. Right. He's not apologizing for nothing. Exactly. And again, you don't go to the police if you think nothing happened. Again, parsing her words, look, we don't know if what happened was illegal. It's an issue of what actually happened, you know, this voluntary intoxication.

Again, some of those statements, she doesn't remember what happened, right? And this idea, again, which I would say is sort of this 1950s idea of, okay, if you voluntarily take drugs and alcohol, but that's sort of an invitation for carte blanche for the rest of the evening. Yes, maybe she wanted to, and I think it looks like she did want to have some sort of sexual encounter that evening. The issue is that's not a blanket consent for everything that happened there. That's the point. All right. So let's hear.

That's that's very important. Rob, I mean, I just go, look, dude, it's, it's, first of all, it's obviously a straw man. Nobody ever has made the argument that once you take a drug, you, you know, you're just, you. you've consented to anything that happens for the rest of the night. The point is that once you take the drug, you're responsible for what you do consent to for the rest of the night. That's the only position that I think is reasonable here. But Rob, don't you find it kind of interesting?

And again, I'm not saying there's nothing to what this woman said. I'm sure after people are traumatized, they can have different sorts of reactions. But literally, just think about how much you have to be bending over backward here. that she, the woman, as she's sitting here saying, look after me too, we have to believe these women. Not every woman's going to fall into the perfect victim model. Obviously, rapes can happen in these ways that aren't just the ski mask in the alley or whatever. But then she's confronted with the piece of information that the woman in question said in her own words it was consensual.

And then she goes, yeah, but you don't go to the cops if you don't think something happened. Rob, one of those things is evidence and the other one is not. You going to the cops is not evidence. I'm sorry. That's not how that works. You can't go to trial and go, first thing, exhibit A, I want to present. This is how you know this guy did it. She says so.

She went to the cops. That's not a piece of evidence. However, her saying nothing illegal happened is. Sorry, that just didn't. is right you can you can spin a big fancy like story around that but that is just i'm sorry that's kind of what it looks like it's funny as a society we should just do legal consent video informed documents before uh casual sexual encounters and the funny part about that is that women would hate it you should they would ruin it for them they would absolutely hate it and it doesn't really i don't

know does it even like help it anyway i mean i think that you're you know you know you You know, I think one of the reasons why this is getting a lot of pushback. Okay. There's a couple things that are going on here. Number one, I think that there's been a history of this happening, whether it was with, even with Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown or, you know, the Duke LaCross case or just a million different Twana Brawley type hate crime hoaxes and all this stuff. There's this thing where essentially a source.

story gets told to you, the way AOC told you that story, this very sensationalized, crazy victim, you know, story. Then you find out the real story is not at all that. In fact, they were just lying to you about it. And the story is totally different and totally more complicated and more nuanced than what you thought. That's one thing. And then the second thing is like, and I do think you mentioned this earlier, Rob, when you pointed to the Clancy situation, I do think there's this feeling that like there's this like no matter what the the men are wrong and the women are excused no matter what the behavior is no matter what the situation is um that it you know it reminds me in the duke lacrosse case rob it was like a case study uh there there was people you know people on the left

love to talk about like white male privilege what's more white what's more male and what's more privileged than a duke lacrosse team the woman involved was a black hooker. Pretty marginalized, you know, like the face of privilege in the face of a marginalized, you know, person. And yet everybody rushed to agree with her and totally just pillory the boys. I don't know. There's something kind of interesting about that. And in a case like this, I just think like, if we're going to, if we're going to take this attitude that this girl was a horrible victim and these boys are these horrific criminals, then I think we've got to have a much, much bigger conversation

about college hookup culture. And, you know, it's, I don't know, Rob, isn't it a little bit crazy to, let's see this, if there was an incident of racism on an Ivy League campus, it would be cracked down on immediately. But a story like this will not put an end to drunk hookup culture, even in campus related, you know, like, sanctioned fraternities and stuff like that. And parents will pay $30,000 a semester for this privilege.

Maybe more than that. I don't know what Princeton costs these days. That seems very, very strange to me. Right. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, that's a weird thought. Because I get what you're saying, where it's like if you were, let's say a woke parent and there was a racist incident on a campus,

and the conversation was just around the legal legality of holding those, the people engaged in, let's say criminal racist behavior accountable without some sort of a college effort to make the campus less racist. Woke parents sending their kids to Berkeley might just be like, this is not the right campus for me. And culturally speaking, people hear about behavior like this and they don't go, well, this is what I view as depravity. and so my kid should not be on a campus where such a behavior, which I guess speaks to that culturally and socially, people are not that concerned with, you know, that people are having sex outside of relationships.

Yeah. Well, it is, I say it is a dangerous environment, I think. And I do think it's kind of tragic when like young girls get used and hurt in this way. I just also don't think it's fair to like listen man I can expect a lot out of uh out of different groups of people but like the expectation that like college guys are going to drunk college guys are going to be perfect gentlemen is one that you should not have that is that is not a good one to have and I think it's wild for people um particularly you know like I said before in my position of like thinking about like oh kids like having kids now. having, you know, inherited this crazy culture. And it's interesting that a lot of people, I think, are rejecting it. But, you know, this is going to be one of those things, too, Rob, that I think overall things like this do have the effect of really, really just not making, like, it's not good for the young boys and it's not good for the young girls. I don't think this makes any of them happier.

I don't think this makes any of the better. and situations like this, it becomes like the way they're encouraged to kind of like, like meat is like through hookup culture. And then this is like a landmine field where people are like worried about like assault or assault allegations or things like this. And it just seems to be like if you just looked at it on paper, you'd go, oh, this is just evidence of a society that's lost its mind.

And this is how it's manifesting. Herscher seems that way to me. Anyway, curious on your thoughts. Catch you guys next time. Don't forget to go see Rob on the road next couple of weeks. PorchTor.com. Check out, run your mouth as well. And that's all for today.

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