Part Of The Problem - The Disgraced Dan Bongino

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

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what's up what's up everyone welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem i am dave smith he is robbie the fire burnstein how you feeling today sir i'm doing well how are you mr smith good good i know a little disheveled but you're you're ready we're starting a little bit late it's not rob was running back and forth from the studio to home but also i was i was just on with pierce morgan and it ran a little bit late so apologize for a little bit of a late start for those of you guys who subscribe over at part of the problem.com, who are used to getting the show live, we do appreciate your support.

And we're here. Better 20 minutes late. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, it was easy fucking work. I mean, it was a fun one, I guess. I mean, it's just too. What's his name?

I'm blinking on the guy's name. Jonathan something. He was a spokesman for the IDF. So he's, and you know what ends up happening, man? it's like it's this weird thing because pierce morgan so pierce has been bringing me on his show for i don't know how long now i think a couple years um i do it pretty regularly and it's been you know it's a great show you know for all the things people like people trash pierce morgan's show

and sometimes he will have shit shows where it's easy to call him the jerry springer of politics or whatever but honestly like the guy is the show has been a very important show and it's had at this point like some really you know um i think it's it's probably moved the needle as much as any show because it may not be that it's up there with like the biggest shows like it gets big views but there's just like so many episodes of it so i've done it so many times that you know and and he likes having me on to debate the the you know the israel stuff um which i'm happy to do and And it's this very weird feeling where, of course, because I've been doing so many of these debates over the last two years, it feels like it's kind of like a sick dynamic. But like, so for example, the one with this one, too, I don't know if you saw this, Rob, because it's just, it's almost like impossible to keep up with this shit because it's just every day.

There's a new thing. But so on Friday, the UN's committee on tour. released this scathing report about the Israeli torture sites and basically that they've just been, I mean, just torturing Palestinians to death more than usual over the last two years. And then it's like that, you know, like, so that comes out Friday, then Monday I'm in a debate. And you're almost like, oh my God, it's almost like the news is always just handing me more and more for my arsenal. And I already have the debate one.

Like none of these guys have anything to say. And then there's just more, but there's almost like this weird, sick dynamic where it's like, oh, you get handed like another, another great example to go win your debate, but it's at this awful human cost. Anyway, so I'm debating this guy. He's an Israeli who was a spokesman for the IDF for many years. And, you know, he was, I guess, not like the worst debate to put it. Like he admitted, he conceded a few things. like it started with Pierce asking if he if he would concede that it was kind of indefensible that Netanyahu was asking for a pardon you know what I mean like it's like you're and Pierce had a

great line on it where he was just like he goes you're you're like using an abuse of power to demand for a pardon because you're on trial for abuse of power like it's just kind of and the guy did go yeah okay I can't really defend that so like all right I'll give him that but then at one point in the debate, and this is a thing that I've, me and you have talked a lot about this, both on the show and privately, they do this thing. It's the thing Nome from the comedy seller does, like, all the time where he's not, he doesn't just enter the conversation as like an equal with you. Like, me and you are here. We have a difference of views. He kind of puts himself in the perch of like, I'm the judge of everybody. And you're like, yeah, but nobody actually puts you

there. But so at one point he goes to me, this is the IDF spokesman guy. And I had gone off on a rant about a few different things. And he goes, you know, the one part of what you said that I think is reasonable to have a debate about is the U.S. support for Israel. He goes, that question I actually respect, the rest I don't. And I just went, no one cares what you respect. You're a spokesman for a terrorist organization. And then he just, he just like almost, I don't know, he had this, he had this response to me. I'm interested for you guys to watch it.

But he just went off for like 30 seconds and I said, you might as well, you just said nothing. I went, you might as well have just been quiet for 30 seconds. Because he just, when I said you're a spokesman for a terrorist organization, he was like, you sit in your comfortable office in New York City while we're out in the fight or blah, blah, and I was like, you're my welfare country. Shut up, dude. It had some fun moments in it.

But, like, again, the guy's just got nothing. He's got nothing of substance. And then at the end, he resorted to just being like, the reason everyone's mad at Israel is because of anti-Semitism. Yeah, I guess so. Well, they brought up, Pierce did bring up the, they did that like stop anti-Semitism group. Does their every year, I guess they do their anti-Semites of the year.

So Tucker was nominated this year. He was on the top of corner. yeah i have never been nominated um which seems crazy although i'll say you have to do you put your work in this past year who criticized israel more than you well i i got to say phoentes didn't get nominated either and that did in a weird way i don't know it's so weird it was like you know like if you were up for an oscar but there was like an amazing movie that didn't get nominated you're like i guess the whole thing's bullshit i mean fointas was nominated and then did it awards ceremony for himself to receive the award well it's uh it is i don't know man it's wild so yeah i saw

it so pierce pulls it up and i was curious if the guy could even defend it because he had just been talking about anti-semitism they couldn't he didn't even try to but we all just said on there like first of all there's three people on it who i know like personally know so there's tucker carlson jank yugar and anna casparian the idea that any of them are jew haters is just ridiculous It's just like you, you could only, I don't know, in the same way that Larry Ellison was the black face of white supremacy or something like that. Like only by the woken definition of bigotry could you accuse any of those three. I've never said anything about the Jews. They're just, their criticism was about Israel, the Israel lobby and wars of aggression.

You know, then they had, they actually put Miss Rachel on there, Rob. Like, you, it is amazing how. bad these people are at the PR game like that they don't even go maybe we shouldn't be seen as viciously attacking miss Rachel for for the crime like the lady who sings songs for three-year-olds that's for she's a Jew hater Rob for committing the crime of going I sure do feel bad for these Palestinian three-year-olds that's what she's guilty of doing and she goes man you know I think like I like I make you know little kid programming because I really love little children and I think the Palestinian little children count just as much as all the rest of the children that's so they put her on a Jew hater like like just imagine I mean like forget even how you feel about the war just like how to win friends and influence people shit here Rob imagine thinking the move is to viciously attack that lady well I heard that Miss Rachel got the wrong Holocaust training And so she doesn't realize how anti-Semitic it is to attack Israel when they're killing kids.

Yes, that's right. The Holocaust training might have messed her up. The other, the list was hilarious. The other, the other two people who I just knew on the list were Bryce Mitchell. Okay. He said some crazy shit. Yeah, but. I don't know that he's a, no worthy enough individual or nor is he taking actions against Jews.

Yes, there's a contender in the lightweight division of the UFC who said some, wild shit. I also think he thinks the earth is flat. Yes. Yes, he's been big on the earth is flat. By the way, and I don't know Bryce Mitchell. I've never met him. But for everything I've ever seen of Bryce Mitchell, he seems like a good dude who gets a

little kooky with some of his theories or whatever. But like, but like I, he doesn't seem like a vicious like hater or so, but whatever. And then there was another guy, uh, the guy's name is guy. I'm blanking on his last name. But he's like, from what I know, I think he's like a. feel like he's like a 20-year-old streamer or something like that. It was a real lefty. I just know, I know I had one interaction with him ever on Twitter where he like tweeted

something at me and he was like a, he was like, Dave, you're so good on the Israel issue, but you really got to take another look at socialism. And then I just wrote back, no, like I just like an N and then as many O's as they would let me put in. But you know, like I do remember, the only reason I remember, it stuck in my mind because I was almost like oh maybe I should you know like there's something just about like if there's like a like a streamer or something who's like in their 20s who's into socialism but is like good on war and appreciates that I'm good on war that does make me kind of want

to talk to that person so I remember just like almost like making a note in my head like I'd love to talk to this kid because like he thinks I need to look into more socialism but actually young man like you're fucking you're a guy in your 20 is talking to a guy in your 40s who's looked into it more than any of you have and like no actually you need to look into the other side of it but like almost like like as always with a 20-something year old you're always like in a friendly way I'd want to be like well look dude here there's other ideas you haven't considered but so I don't know anything else about the kid but like you already know he's just anti-Israel and not actually like a Jew hater like it's just it's it's anyway it is too goddamn ridiculous

It's amazing, like, watching, I do feel like there are these waves, you know, and perhaps this is somewhat me forcing things into my worldview, but I don't think so. But, you know, like, it was like during the rise of Trump and like the rise of crazy wokeism, and then during COVID, and then, like, there would just be these things where you remember, we would look around and go, like, why is everyone insisting on humiliating themselves? Like, it does just seem like a ritual almost at the end of the day. Like, you're all just publicly human. And at this point, the Zionists are so there. I mean, they're just, they've been engaged in it for years now. It's very strange, very strange. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is the

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And speaking of, oh, I did, I wanted to play this up top, Rob, because I just thought this was too. Do we know, by the way, did they bracket it? Like, is it like the Sweet 16 where, you know, they go head to head and then we end up with the champion anti-Semite? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know who's verifying these elections or like who's overseeing them, what the criteria is.

We really should, we should demand transparency in this process. Also, they left Candice off. They left Candice off this year. And she's, I mean, I said the number one podcast. She's putting in work. No, but I did want to sit on the theme of public figures and politicians humiliating themselves, man, this administration, it is just so,

the timing of this, Rob, could not be better, right? And I do believe, if I've got this right, I think that this interview actually happened like the day before. But I don't know if you thought there was this New York Post really damning expose on Cash Patel's FBI, which, you know, look, you know how it is, Rob, with these type of reports where you're getting, you know, insider information, often anonymous sources. You never know exactly how much credit to give it. The New York Post is not exactly a hostile paper toward the Trump administration.

You know what I mean? It's not like, oh, this is MSNBC whose goal is clearly to make Donald Trump look bad. But the picture they paint is something that does seem to be, you know, like just a really incompetent administration and that Cash Patel, I don't know, did you see the thing about how he was waiting for an FBI jacket in Utah? Sorry, go ahead. I don't think I just explain it if you want to comment on it so people know who haven't seen it. So full transparency, I don't know that I fully absorbed the whole article, but I was cracking

up over the jacket incident, which was essentially after the Charlie Kirk shooting, I believe it was they take a plane out there and he refuses to get off the plane until someone gives him one of those FBI ray jackets because he wants to look cool and it needs to be in the right size it needs to be a medium and they find him the jacket and he refuses it because it doesn't also have like the side sleeves so they make him and it was a lady's jacket evidently they got it it had to be a medium so they got it off one of their ladies and so they had to go get him the side sleeves and I actually wondered if I was doing life wrong because I hear about a guy nervous about his jacket and I'm like how gay is this dude just go do the job like do you really is it

you know what I mean that almost sounds like uh um like uh what was the the pinky whatever my references are off this morning um that sounds like uh inspector cluso type shit where you can't do your job unless you've got the right outfit for the cameras I just thought that it was so cartoonish that this uh hard ass FBI guy refuses because he knows he's going to be in front a television cameras and has to make sure that he has his look right and yeah it was to the extent that this is all just television to these people well yes it speaks to the theater of it all and um it's also just a hilarious you know like story that's very unflattering for cash patel um but it all there was also just like damning quotes in there about people who are like this guy is really just like over his head

and that the whole department is just like being uh you know miss mismanaged um we should just do a sketch of him yelling at his makeup crew just like yeah well hash behind the scenes being followed around powdered and lipstick and i gotta look like more like an american bro got to make me look more american well i mean the thing is that the trump administration looking starting with donald trump right it comes it comes all the way down from the top and everybody knew this going into donald trump's first presidential campaign. But Donald Trump is the only president in the history of the United States of America, which is like, okay, not the oldest country in the world, but actually a pretty old country given, you know, if you want to consider that it's under the same current

system, which it's not really. There's been several revolutions. They just, we never admitted it. But the United States of America in its entire history never had a president who had no political or military experience. That's just never happened, right? Like George Washington, the first president was a general in the army. And all the way down, everybody had political, at least political or military experience, right? Like I think Dwight D. Eisenhower had no political experience. But he was a five-star general who led the allies to victory in World War II. So like, okay, that's a pretty big deal. And Donald Trump's the first one ever who had none of those, had none of that. Now, this was something that they tried to knock him with

in 2016. But the reason why that was completely ineffective is because Donald Trump was like, well, yeah, but I'm here to drain the whole swamp. You guys are all incompetent criminals. And so you all have the experience. And look, Hillary Clinton's at 30 years of experience. And what is she done in those 30 years? Nothing good. So what do you want? I'm a rich guy. I know how to run a company and I don't need any of your money. So I'm outside of this system and I'm here to drain the swamp. And so that was more than a good enough pitch to overcome. Like in the same sense, right, that someone like Douglas Murray could look at me and say, you're just a comedian who doesn't have like real experience. You don't have fancy degrees and you haven't been on, you know, IDF embedded

tours or whatever and like there is like it's not that there's nothing reasonable to that like yes it is kind of ridiculous that this falls to me to be the one to yes it's kind of crazy that the comedian from legion of skanks is the one here doing it but the fact is Douglas murray you've been wrong about the last seven major crises and i've been right about them and so you know what yeah i'm actually here beating you now however the thing with donald trump is that what covered that up was I'm here to drain the swamp, but he's not. He's not even here to drain the swamp. And so what you just get is the incompetence without any of the good part.

Like, and so this is, again, essentially this is what we're seeing from the Justice Department, the FBI, the entire Trump administration. We liked the fact that you brought in outsiders like Cash Patel and Dan Bongino and Bobby Kennedy or any of this. Because like, hey, if we're doing this to drain the swamp, if we're doing this to hold the COVID criminals accountable, hold the Russiagate criminals accountable, hold the Epstein criminals accountable, then fuck experience. Let's get some outsiders in there and give that a shot. But once we're not doing any of that, now you just get the inexperience. And so it's, it's like a microcosm of the

entire Trump administration. But dude, Rob, this video, I just found so in the middle of all of this, right? As this ex was, again, it might have been the day before it was put out. But as this piece is being run in the post, and as Trump's approval ratings are crashing, and as this Justice Department is just viewed as more and more of a joke, Dan Bongino takes to the air to give his defense of Cash Patel and Donald Trump's FBI. And it is to be seen to be believed. Let's watch it. I mean, I gave up everything for this. I mean, you know, my wife is struggling and I'm not a victim.

I'm not Jim Comey. It's fine. I did this and I'm proud that I did it. But if you think we're there for tea and crumpets, I mean, cash is there all day. We share our offices are linked. He turns on the faucet. I hear it. He's there at, he gets in like 6 o'clock in the morning. He doesn't leave till 7 at night. You know, I'm in there at 7.30 in the morning. I, you know, he uses the gym. my apartment but i stare at these four walls all day in dc you know by myself divorce from my uh wife not divorced but i mean you know we love each other and it's hard to be apart but you're doing some great work uh you're doing that at the fbi and you're moving buildings is a lot of change

i just i got one more thing i mean i gave up everything for this i mean okay let's all right rob let me give me a second on this one shit dude i apologize walk back all my criticism of this FBI. I mean, I, you know, I was really mad that you guys were covering up for pedophiles. But I was just assuming you slept till noon. But now that I find out that that Tampa Gino is getting to work at 7.30, Rob? Not 745. 730. And get this? He doesn't get to bring his wife with him. She does not get to go with him to his job, which he's got to be at, Rob, let me remind you one more time. 7.30 in the morning. Yeah, this guy wakes up in the morning, Rob, and he goes to a room where he's got to work all day. Cash Patel is putting in

full days of work every day. Now, you might be saying to yourself, Rob, that sounds a lot like being an adult. That just sounds like you're describing what every single adult with a job does is that they they divorce their wife. He used the word divorced and then corrected him and then used the word separated. And what he meant to say was that his wife doesn't come to work with him. I guess I don't know. Rob, when I travel the country, I'm away from my wife quite a bit. I don't even have her in here with me right now. We're divorced from each other right now. She's up two floors above me right now. Separated, literally, we're separated by a floor, at least.

Floor and a half. I mean, dude, just imagine the, this ever comes out of your mouth, Rob? Like, you're sitting there and you're defending your own FBI. By the way, think about it. You already know you're in trouble when you're defending the Trump Justice Department on Fox and Friends. Right? Like, you're not on Fox and Friends to take victory. lapse and talk about how great everything is, the best the host can do is go, hi, you guys are

moving buildings, you're doing things, yeah, big things are happening. It's a completely friendly show. Everyone's there to just try to get you over. The audience is 75-year-old Republican. It just want to support whatever the Trump administration is doing. And yet you still have to be defending yourself because everyone's recognizing you for the joke that you are. And you start by the personal sacrifice that you've had to make. And that sacrifice includes getting to work at a reasonable hour. Well, I'm sorry, is 7.30 even that early to, like, be at the job? Like, I guess it's a little on the early set.

Like, what are we even talking about here? And then the personal struggles. I mean, I'm not a victim here. I'm not a victim, but let me talk about all the sacrifices I've made. Dude, what are the fucking results? Like, this is, it's just so insane. You guys ran on fucking releasing the Epstein files, then pivoted to there's no such thing,

then pivoted back to releasing them and you just did. You got caught lying six different times in this whole thing. And then you said that as you've been, Dan Bongino, you've been on a four-year-long podcast tour talking about fucking Russiagate and all those criminals. Now you got a director of national intelligence who confirms it. You got the FBI director who also says it's true.

Where are you on that? What are you doing when you go to work at 7th? 30 in the morning every day. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is My Patriot Supply. This Christmas, give the gift of food security with an amazing deal from our friends at My Patriot Supply. It's called the Buy One Gift 2 Christmas special, and you guys have got to check it out.

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Go ahead, Rob. I thought it was too crazy. I thought this was an AI video when I first saw it. Well, if you ever thinking about running for office again, just remember, it's a lot better just talking shit online. I don't think I've ever seen a more broken man. and just, no, I'm working hard and my wife hates me and we're separated. And here's other details about my life falling apart that I shouldn't say. No, actually, it's all good.

We're still together. But I have to hear Cash Patel run a sink. That guy showers in it. He's Indian. I can't listen to this anymore. I do remember, which I know I've brought this up before, but I thought this was like an interesting moment when Tucker said to me that he said to me that he had me on the show like right after the Douglas Murray debate.

And he said to me, he goes, I mean, he goes, dude, Douglas Murray just ruined his career. And I corrected him. And I went, no, he didn't. I go, Douglas Murray ruined his reputation. It's a different thing. And I know you've made this point before that it's like, look, dude, like all these guys are they get in government. There's something cushy waiting for them afterward if they play ball. And so what happened is that, you know, actually from our perspective, we may think like,

oh, it's kind of cushy to be like a real popular podcast. but like actually there's very high there's much higher levels of cushiness it turns out than what me and you do um and so in a sense right like in the same way Douglas Murray didn't ruin his career Douglas Murray will have a career and in fact Douglas Murray will be making lots of money I think he was we already know he's writing speeches for the Israeli government I think he was getting USAID money too I believe that got revealed at some point he's getting he's going to have Zionists and bankers and you know weapons companies they'll find something for him he won't be respected amongst the people the way he used to though and you do see in some

of these guys where there's still human beings and on some level that does irk them it does irk sam harris and douglas murray and guys like this that like years ago their name carried some weight amongst right wing audiences and now they're a laughing stock and i think what you're getting at there is like that's what we're watching with Dan Bonjino. It's like you made, look, it's a calculation. And to be completely fair here, it's a calculation that we do not know all of the factors in. Like part of the calculation might be, I think people I love are going to get killed if I don't do this. You know, like we don't know. Obviously, I'm just guessing. I'm just speculating, but I'm not even guessing. I'm just saying we don't know what the actual

calculation is. But we do know that the calculation has been made to, through his own action, destroy his reputation. Like, like Dan Bongino, whatever he does next after this, it's not going to be going back to having a huge relevant podcast. It's just not. Like there's just, you just can't get in there and just do nothing but sit next to your bug-eyed FBI director. As you both say, he killed himself, guys.

All those cameras malfunctioned. Everything I've been saying for the last few years has been bullshit. Any follow-up? No, no follow-up, no follow-up questions on that. That's all I have to say is trust me. Let me add in. I'm not saying trust me, but trust me. Like the same way they go, I'm not saying I'm the victim, but I got to be up at 7.30 every morning and I'm away from my wife, which is really hard. It's really hard when you're in love. It's really hard. Like, I don't know. You know, there's like, the truth is, dude, that Dan Bongino, you're a fucking government employee. that's what you are there's there's men all over this country who work a hell of a lot harder than you do and they're all away from their wives and they all got to be there at 730 or something like that like that is just it's an outrage that you'd look at dude there's there's fucking right now and in my up my road there's men working on power lines right there they've been working all day I saw him this morning when I went to drop my kids off.

They were already up there working. This was around 745, Rob, and I didn't look like they had just gotten there. So I think they might have been there from before 7.30. And they're going to still be working there in hours. There's people all over this country by the tens of millions who do much tougher work than you. And you're sitting here.

You're the second in command at the FBI as it is failing on its mandate, and it's mandate that it had from the American people. And as it's failing, you're what? You're playing the victim role and that's what you got, that you have to go to work and you can't bring your wife with you? I mean, like, what do you want me to say? I know, like, Rob, I get this all the time because if you remember back, dude, when I first announced that I was going to support Donald Trump in this election,

man, the dude, the Trump people were so happy. And like, it was in the middle of, you know, this was like at the height of, of election season and everyone's just in their election mode. And they're like, fuck, yeah, Dave Smith's on board. Yes, we got this coalition. Rogan endorsed him and Rogan's guys are endorsing them. And we got this whole thing. And I see some of these guys now, they'll be giving me a hard time.

They'll be like, oh, Dave, you're just so, so much Trump hate. Like, come on, dude, like believe in the plan or something or, like, what do you guys want from me? What are we supposed to, what are me and Rob's supposed to do here? look at this and tell you yeah that was reasonable get off his back i don't know rob any other thoughts it really looks like you're watching a man fall apart and and the fact that uh the host had to smooth it over with uh oh no no you got a new building it's all great it's wonderful it's like when friend shows up at the bar too drunk and they're crying and so you just kind of brush it over no no you're fine

new things are coming all right we're going to the other bar see you later ted yeah no well uh speaking I guess the transition here to this next story, because I do want to talk about this. I mean, I guess there's two stories here, and we should kind of address both of them, but they're on a similar topic. But I guess the through line here would be things the FBI could be doing if they actually gave a shit about draining the swamp or anything like that. But it does seem to me, so there's, look, I gave him some credit publicly for this today. and he did show some appreciation for that.

So me and Alex Berenson, probably not going to be going out grabbing cocktails anytime soon. But I will, I got to give him credit where he gets. And I try my best to always, to always like, well, I don't know. I guess honestly, there were two moments on podcast that I had that kind of got, that kind of struck a nerve with me that had an impact on me. One was with Daryl Cooper, and this was all on it, this was on the show, where Daryl Cooper, he said, he gave like a big, like, he had a thing about his Christian, his Christianity and his, his thing about like forgiving people who you hate and forgiving people who even do like really horrible things, which is like, I will say, Rob, to me and you, both Jewish, you know, ethnically and you were raised, really. and that that is a Christian thing that is a little bit outside of my culture like I'm a New York

City guy I never really like the idea of like forgiving the people you hate I just have much more of a like no fuck that guy like added you know like I'm a little but there was like the way Daryl put it really did hit home with me and there was something really beautiful about it and it was kind of like you know that just in the spirit of like there is something there's definitely something powerful about that Christian insight that like hating somebody else kind of corrupts you too in a weird way. And then there was Tucker Carlson had a rant which actually when he was on the show, which actually led to me giving Alex Berenson some credit because he was just kind of talking about how like, hey, look, we can have lots of different views about lots of different

things. But if you're just like for the country and you're kind of for the broadest America first idea, let's debate those other ideas and let's not be enemies. And he was even saying, like, hey, I don't have to be enemies with you, Ben Shapiro. Like, I don't really care about Israel that much, you know? I just want what's best for my country. If that's your cause, like whatever, like, and so I did in the spirit of that be like, hey, you know what, despite whatever disagreements we may have had, and I still think he conducted himself in a pretty embarrassing way, Alex Barrensen was really, really

great on an issue when it really, really mattered. And that's more than a lot of people can say. No one can ever take that away from him. Well, I got to admit this story that he just broke is. unbelievable and it is like if you're a minor christian than i am because i i saw the headline from him and i emailed uh my friend stephen the wonder boy non-scientist because there were two there were two covid storylines uh this past yes yes that's right and i want to get to both of them yes i'm sorry go ahead explain what they are yeah and the the fda admitting to uh 10 related uh coved

yes uh but when i saw the alex barrenson one i emailed him i was like can you find this can you verify this and find it from another source because I don't want to read his article or quote him on the show. So you're a nicer Christian than I am, my friend. Whereas, well, there you go. I'm at a point now where I loved him during COVID, but I just find him suspect. Well, look, I get that and I'm certainly, I'm not making any excuses for him. I mean, he, obviously, I was the target of it, but he conducted himself in the manner that he did. And he's got to deal with people, you know, feel and how they feel about that. But he is the one who broke this story as far as I can tell. And look, like, I'll give this the caveat of, like, if someone can point out why he's wrong about this, then fine.

But to be very clear here, because I did see some people who were conflating the two stories. So, right, as you said, the FDA admitted to 10 deaths, right? This is not one of those deaths. This is a separate story from that. And in fact, Alex had to point out, this is not one of those debts. Essentially, what they found was that there was, there was. a um i guess like a european database that that uh moderna had recorded this with but then they had not with any of the americans but there was a child who died during the testing of the

moderna um covid jab and this has been completely covered up now if that is true which it seems to be this is an outrage of a story man because this means that that it was and look people will say and this is always true with vaccine injuries right it's you almost never have like 100% proof that the vaccine is what caused the injury quite often it's the most reasonable guess but that has nothing to do with any of this because this was during trials the whole point is that's what you're looking for and if it's the case that a kid dies in the Moderna trials, well, then that means that from the very beginning, when they were saying this thing is safe and effective, they knew they were full of shit and knew that it was a risk

for kids way past the point where we knew that COVID was not a risk for kids at all. So it absolutely, like, destroys the whole case for prescribing these MRNA shots to children. And also, I mean, it's just like an actual child dies. and it seems very likely that this was the cause of it. I mean, this is like, Rob, this is the type of thing that as you well remember, when this was happening, we wouldn't have been able to cover this on YouTube.

To make this claim would have gotten our whole channel banned. You had to speak very, like, vaguely about these things for a little while there. And in fact, you on your channel, you got in some real heat and got strikes over this. type of stuff. I mean, not too different from this, but one of the things I definitely got a strike for was reading the Pfizer preprint or the early study, which included that there were 14 deaths in the vaccinated group versus just 13 deaths in the unvaccinated. And those were unrelated to the vaccine, but just if you were trying to point to something as being life-saving, how can there be more deaths in the group that died from it? There were also major problems

with the childhood study that they like ended up doing a three shot regimen and like no one made it to the end. I don't remember the specifics on that. On this Moderna one, I believe the company claims and I just, this is from Twitter gronk. And, you know, I got so much of COVID right. I'm a little reluctant to dive into these stories. Like I read the Alex Barron's thing, but it was like a quick breeze. I can't, I can't really affirm or debunk it. I think Moderna does claim that this was unrelated to the vaccine, but, and they just didn't want like the questioning of it but it's still it's still not a great look if you've got a death in the camp of people who are vaccinated and certainly speaks to the censorship that happened during that time

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All right, let's get back into the show. Yeah, I mean, the real criminality here comes in and them not reporting this, right? But, look, reading from Alex Berenston's piece here, it's a preschool-age child died of cardiorespiratory arrest after getting. getting the booster shot of Moderna's M RNA COVID vaccine in the company's main clinical trial. So, you know, there was a lot made of these clinical trials. You have a preschool-aged child dying of cardio-resportory arrest

after getting the jab. I mean, look, I'm not a doctor, but that at the very least raises some serious questions. That's pretty rare that that happens to a preschooler. It also, I mean, raises questions about like, who the hell voluntarily experiments on their preschooler like this. I mean, I just can't, you know, I have a preschooler. I just cannot imagine that. I really cannot, you know, there's something kind of like Randian, is that like Ian Rand, who really was a really was a brilliant philosopher.

her, although, you know, she was a little bit of a nut herself, but she was a brilliant and important person. But, you know, like she would, and she would speak in absolutes about these things when I don't think they exactly are. I don't think it is that black and white. She was very black and white, although she was very brilliant. But she would talk about like the, you know, the, like one of her central ideas was that the, that, that, what's the word I'm looking for her shit that's a bad uh but her idea was that selfishness was a virtue and that um what's the word i'm looking for altruism was like the greatest vice like there's there's nothing worse than altruism now she i think she kind of forced a different definition of those words in there

but there was definitely there's definitely a really brilliant insight to the idea of like sacrificing for yourself or your own for someone else can be thought of as a noble thing, but when you really think about it, like, true altruism can actually be very evil. So, like, in other words, if I'm like, if I, if I, let's say I want to do something nice for my wife, like, I want to buy my wife flowers or something like that. Or you go like, okay, but, you know, that is still my wife, right? And like, I'm kind of going to benefit from her being pleased with me or her, you know what I mean? Like, like, so if I really wanted to be altruistic, I would just buy someone else's wife flowers. But then right away,

don't you see that? And you go, yeah, but that's kind of actually kind of wrong. Like before you got your own life flower, you're getting someone else's wife flowers or like protecting someone else's kids before you protected your own kids. But the anyway, I guess the idea of like, I'm going to experiment on my children for some greater good is like you could tell yourself a story to make yourself feel like you're the good guy there, but I just, I don't know, Rob, isn't that like the most evil thing you could do? Who would, like, especially when they were of, like, there was no real risk to them with COVID. I just can't, I can't imagine ever, like, increasing any risk of anything to my kids' health in service of some greater abstract, you know, idea of the common good or something

like that very very bizarre people were really a hook line and sinkered on uh on what was going on on during covid and i'm sure that the doctors had explained all the safety to them before that and figured everyone was going to get it and they were making their contribution to society and had a lot of faith in uh fouchy our government and uh thought that they were getting the early access to make their child safe which uh is tragic that there was so much bad information at that time that people were led to believe that they were contributing to society by not living their life and just staying in their apartments and rotting. And this would be the most extreme example of somebody going, oh, how lucky I am that

I'm able to get my child vaccinated early. Yeah. No, that's, well, it is something. And, you know, I, you know, this, look, obviously, like, this was, this was our main issue for years. And it's, you know, five years. ago now. Well, I guess more than five years ago, right, that this started. And I guess it's about five years ago that the clinical trials began, right? Or no, I guess less than five years ago,

but still, almost five years ago. And, you know, while a lot of the craziness has died down, it is, we are in a very real way living in the post-COVID world. And I think a lot of the American political landscape is still shaped by COVID. You know, as I've said before on the show, I think that while I think it always would have been a bullshit non-argument appeal to authority, I think the fact that like the biggest knock on me over the last year has been that, you know, you're not an expert or you've never been or you're just a comedian or all this. I go, I think that just even though it always would have been a bullshit non-argument, I think. that COVID is a big part of the reason why no one's even listening to that argument anymore. Well, you just get to submit, like, shut up. We just went through three years of trust the experts and the experts got everything wrong

or the experts you deemed were the experts, whatever. But to your point, I do think something that, you know, and I know I know you've made this point before. I know I've made this point before. But there is something where like, you know, in memory in general, certain things. end up fading away and then other things stay and this is true with our conception of history too you know you forget about certain parts and you remember other things and one of the things people it's like since since essentially guys like me and you won the day and we got vindicated

and you know like we were never the ones asking you know i remember there was that article afterward asking for like uh forgiveness or whatever uh what did they say immunity for for the like we're not the ones asking for that because we'll stand by our track record through the whole thing we won the debates we we got the things right others had to admit they were wrong and but you know like by the time by the time i went in to debate chris quomo right so was that in 2003 by the time i was debating him like the entire audience the entire internet audience all agreed that with me on COVID, you know, like it was everybody was already like, yeah, lockdowns were a mistake, the vaccine is bullshit, all of that. But it does, like people do forget,

Rob, at the beginning there, it wasn't like that, man. It was not like that. People bought into the COVID hysteria across this nation in an insane way. I mean, lots of people, like people didn't see their family members, didn't have them over for holidays, like did crazy things. And I do think the impact of COVID, one way to measure it is like how impossible it would be for them to get the whole country to buy into propaganda like that again right now. Now, I think COVID did more to shatter the propaganda apparatus than anything else. Even even the thing, even weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and stuff like that, even the financial crisis, nothing really shattered it like COVID because COVID touched everybody's life and they and it made such like the the COVID

propagandists made such clear declarative statements you know that that were all based on follow the science and six feet apart and masks save lives and you can't get COVID or transmitted if you get the vaccine and you can it was like these clear statements you know the lab leak theory is racist. All of them turned out to be wrong. Just like every last one of them, no, none of them can even defend them anymore. And it is amazing to have people buy into something so big, have the whole thing collapse in such a relatively short amount of time. Because like even now, as I'm talking about it, we're five years over, but I'm saying two years ago when I debated Cuomo, we were already there. It was, it was from March of, in March of 2020 to, you know,

2022 the whole thing had fallen apart in terms of like people like they were still going for a while with the policies but no one was buying into it anymore um it really is something that we just live through yeah well uh it's nice to see some articles coming out and maybe this will get some public fury to finally relitigate some of this stuff uh the fda story's not you know because that's working off veers which uh i think people assume has underreporting but now that they're finally admitting that some people did die from the Vax, you know, it's a starting point. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Massa chips. Did you know that all chips and fries used to be cooked in tallow up until the 1990s

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else and maybe a little bit worse than most other people. And, you know, it's something I'm aware of. And I think it's something whenever you're on shows like this, you always have to try to be aware of. But I do just care a lot more about the actual issue than I care about whatever dumb beef I have with Alex Berenson. Like it's just it's more what's actually the actual issue is much more important than either of our lives are. But I did find this really, really interesting that so because I've because Alex Bairnsons has kind of been talking shit about me, you know, I've just kind of paid attention a little bit to his Twitter account. And I'll tell you this, right? Like, there's, well, there's a lot of people when they talk about kind of this, the new media landscape, and they'll talk about all the flaws, like there's conspiracy theorists out there, and there's audience capture, and there's clickbait or whatever, and like, all those things are real. They do exist.

But what I found kind of interesting is so Alex Berenson has, he's got like, you know, like I think between 500 and 600,000 Twitter followers. every time with his like Israel takes and when he was coming at me and all this shit he's getting like no positive interaction like he's just he was getting ratioed without me even like just he'd post something and it would get ratioed and then I was kind of like oh look all his followers are just over him like he doesn't even have a base of support anymore but this thing I saw it's got like 60,000 likes and 2.1 million views on his tweet about this article. It's blowing up. And so, like, I don't know, personally, from my perspective, I look at this and go, like, oh, there actually has a pretty good incentive structure here, even in this wild west of the new media world. We're like, hey, dude, like, do good work like this. And, like, it will, it is blowing up. So, like, this is a really important story.

It's objectively good journalism. Fuck yeah, dude. Look at that. Maybe you should follow some of these incentives a little bit more. I mean, geez, obviously, from my perspective, I'm saying, and I think the audience is largely correct about this. But anyway, to your point of hoping this story does spread, it does seem like it's at least getting some traction.

And I don't know, you know, it's like it always is with these things. Are the powerful actually going to be held accountable because this story gets traction? Probably not. You know, if you have a short time horizon, otherwise known as a high time preference, for justice or something like that, then you're probably not going to be thrilled with the results of this. But I do see,

I see a broader trend. And I've seen this, you know, since we've, since me and you have been doing this show together, Rob. We've been podcasting together for like almost a decade now. And if you think about the level of trust in institutions over this last 10 years, I mean, like, oh, it's evaporated. it. And all of these, it's death by a thousand paper cuts, you know, like all of these stories

play a role in there and then some more than others. But I just think, I do look at that and go, oh, I do think like something big is happening as a result of this. It is leading to like a mass awakening of how corrupt the regime that we've been living under is. And this is another great example of that. Well, yeah, nothing's more in your face than having been completely compliant with COVID and realizing how much you gave for absolutely no reason. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's not it's we all had to sacrifice for COVID, you know? A lot of these other government policies, they just, you know, you blow up a wedding in Yemen.

I mean, that sure does suck if you were getting married in Yemen that day. But really, for the rest of us, it's an abstract idea, even those of us who are like outraged by it. But COVID, you're thinking almost everyone is at least thinking about they, they, or life. And like what they had to sacrifice for COVID. It's just a different dynamic. It affected the whole country. You know, you lock down a whole country, and there's going to be some ramifications for that. Imagine. What a wild idea. All right, guys, we do have to wrap up. We'll go a little bit long tomorrow. I apologize, but we got a late start today. But we got to

wrap up there. Thank you guys so much, as always, for tuning in. Robbie the Fire, Bernstein, you got a couple more gigs before the end of the year, if I'm right. That's right. Go to a Rob Bernsteincom. I got to run the shows coming up in Colorado, two at Steamboat, and one in Denver, closing out the year with Sam Tripoli. And then, of course, check out the Run Your Mouth podcast. Hopefully going to have Stephen on this week and delve in and get some more of the deeds on these two COVID storylines. So go check that out. Absolutely. Very much. I'm looking forward to that. And then, of course, come next year, January, me and Rob will be back out on the road for the whole year. We already have dates up on my website in Philadelphia, in Portland, in Portland, Oregon, that is, Key West Florida, St. Louis, Missouri, Comacadavsmith.com for all those ticket links. All right. Catch you guys next time. Peace.