Part Of The Problem - The Epstein Cover Up

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

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Love thrillers with a paranormal twist? The entire Oracle trilogy is available on Audible. Listen now on Audible. What's up? What's up everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem. I am Dave Smith. He is Robbie the fire Bernstein. I am back from vacation. We will be on our regular schedule this weekend and we got a lot to talk about a lot to talk about in a, in today's episode. Uh, before we get into that couple couple orders of business. This weekend, of course, me and Robbie the Fire Bernstein will be out in Denver, Colorado,

at the Denver Comedy Works. It's our first time doing a weekend there, and I'm really very much looking forward to it. The shows are very close to being sold out. I think only two of them are completely sold out yet. If you want to grab tickets and you want to come see us in Denver, make sure to go get those tickets right now as you're listening to this, cause those shows are all going to sell out. I also caught for comedy mothership.

I checked yesterday, Friday and Saturday are sold out. There were still some seats to the Sunday show. So if you want to come out there, don't say I didn't warn you. Those ones always sell out. So make sure you go grab those ASAP. Also a little bit of a last minute booking. Um, I will be, so I will be, we'll be out in Denver, um, uh, uh, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, I will be getting on a plane from Denver to Tampa Bay, Florida, Saturday, Sunday, I will be getting on a plane from Denver

to Tampa Bay, Florida, where I will be debating, once again, Josh Hammer. This time we'll be doing it at the Student Action Summit, which is a big event that Turning Point USA holds. So Charlie Kirk will be moderating the debate, and a big thank you to Charlie Kirk for putting that together I thought that was that was very cool. Um, i'm not sure

what uh, um I'm not sure I think I think we had originally said it was going to be like an israel debate But i'm sure we'll talk about iran in there too, you know, i'm sure that'll all bleed together So this should be fun. Of course I debated Josh Hammer. I don't even remember how long ago now, earlier this year was it last year, but I debated him over at Princeton, right? Yeah, that was the Princeton university debate. So I'm giving the kid a rematch. And we'll, it'll go down this Sunday. Hope to see some of you guys out there.

And then of course the other one is we got Cleveland Hilarities coming up in two weeks. Go grab tickets if you're in the Cleveland area, we'd love to see a great club. We always have a lot of fun out there. And then Rob, what do you what else you got going on? I've been cooking on podcast, check out run your mouth. I just did one with Clint, I did one with Guy Swan. And then of course, my zero hedge series, I did one with the quad the Raven. So I'm cooking along, I got two weeks on the road with you and then back

to porches which will be in I don't know it's like West Virginia and Pennsylvania and all sorts of places. So go check out porch tour.com you can see the roster of shows. Yes. Okay. And then the one other thing that I should mention as Natalie is giving me notes to mention here for the members only zoom meetings which which we do monthly. I know I had to postpone it a couple of weeks in a row this Saturday, 2 PM Eastern.

Those are for the people in the top two brackets over at part of the problem.com. Thank you very much to everybody who has signed up. We really do appreciate the support, but we will be doing that 2 PM Eastern this Saturday. I'll be in Denver, but we'll be doing it from there Um, okay. All right. Let's jump into it. So I guess what we have to start with here is what? Really just went down last night Um, which was fairly, um late last night. I want to say actually I could probably see right here

What time was it going at? Well It was uh, those are just Donald Trump news hours when he's doing the Sudafed late at night on weekends 11 p.m. Had a diet coke can sits down to get work done and goes. All right, I'll put out the news Well, it seems that it was around 10 p.m. Last last night that this started being reported and it was an Axios report that kind of broke it. So it wasn't Trump choosing this time, although this does seem to be the time he's up,

but the headline is that the Trump Department of Justice and FBI conclude Epstein had no client list and committed suicide. So now of course there had already been hints that this was coming. Dan Bongino and Cash Patel gave an interview couple months back where they basically said this, Cash Patel went on the Joe Rogan podcast and reasserted this that Epstein had killed himself.

You know, I posted one I was, you know, already when I'm when I'm not on the road and I'm not doing shows and nightclubs. I do. 10 p.m. is about my bedtime these days. Kids wake me up early. So I just posted one thing last night. Kids wake me up early. So I just posted one thing last night I just said something like, you know, I was like look the Trump administration is lying about Jeffrey Epstein everybody knows this and You should take note of who will call him out for that and who will just run cover I mean like this is um, it's kind of a bigger theme in a way that I think is, is a very important one. And basically it's like,

look, I'm not saying like nobody hates the Democrats more than me. You might be tied, but nobody beats me at hating the Democrats. And most of you guys out there listening who think you really hate the Democrats, I hate the Democrats so much better than you hate the Democrats. I'm just really, really good at hating the Democrats. If you wanted to like, if you wanted to conduct a trial of Joe Biden right now, I got shit from the eighties that I'll bring up. Like I hate his entire goddamn career. His whole legacy is one of destruction and death and just awful.

And he was just a terrible president, the corporate media, then from framing Trump for treason to the COVID insanity, to the Democrats have become the party of war and censorship and castrating children. It's like they are a level of evil that is hard to overstate. That doesn't mean that therefore

we all have to become Democrats because Donald Trump is in office. And if you can't look at this and just call it out for what it is, then you're kind of lost, man. And really in a similar way, where you would be like, how is it possible that Joe Biden could be forced out?

They just throw this tackling retard Kamala Harris in there. And then people, tens of millions of people still line up to vote for her. Despite all of that. You're almost kind of the same thing. If you look at something like this, what we're talking about here is covering up a child rapist ring. Like this is just, I'm sorry, Some things should be too far. You know, like that, you know, people gave me shit. A lot of the Trump supporters gave me shit for calling for Trump's impeachment. Um, when he launched a war on behalf of a foreign country for absolutely no

reason. And I'm like, now, you know, listen, the war didn't turn into a catastrophe. So now they feel for it's, oh, you know, you were, but like think about the things people have been impeached for. Richard Nixon. Well, I guess he resigned before the impeachment really took play, but he was going to be impeached for not planning, uh, Watergate, not participating in Watergate, but for not being honest about it after the fact. Okay?

Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about cheating on his wife. Donald Trump was impeached for a phone call to Zelensky where they alleged that he attempted a quid pro quo, which never even turned into a quid pro quo because he caved and gave Zelensky the weapons and he never got the investigations into the Bidens that he wanted. Then Donald Trump was impeached again over the nonsense of January 6th.

People have been impeached for really lame reasons. And as I forget who the quote is attributed to, but as famously been said, in impeachable offenses, anything that Congress decides is an impeachable offense. High crimes and misdemeanors is what it says in the Constitution.

What does that mean? What it means what Congress decides it means. But I'm just saying in the, creating on the curve of when presidents should be impeached, why the hell should they not be impeached for launching a war, an unnecessary war, an aggressive war of choice on behalf of a foreign country? And why the hell should you not be impeached for covering up a child rapist ring and protecting the participants in the child rape? Is this really that radical of a position to me? Now, I will say, I tweeted that last night,

and I have been kind of pleased to see, by and large, even all the kind of Trump supporters I see are really calling this shit out. So I have been really pleased by that, I should say, that almost everyone is like, no, I'm sorry, this is just too bullshit. And I do think a big part of it is because there's just, you kind of can't ignore that this is a blatant violation of a promise, you know,

that not only Donald Trump made during the campaign where he did say he would release the Epstein files, um, you know, he, he did kind of, you know, like he said it in a kind of sitting on the fence way, but he did say it. But man, dude, for Dan Bongino and cash Patel and Pam Bondi, who have all just been on record, straight up saying, we have the files, you know, but even before they were in office, Dan Bongino and cash Patel went so hard on this

issue. Like, this is like the equivalent of me getting in, and then just like supporting regime change in Iran. Maybe like, yo, but dude, like you made this your whole thing. You can't just flip like that, with no explanation other than trust me. It's just so I will say, I've seen a couple of the Trump accounts trying to kind of do, and you see people where, you know, I think Laura Loomer or something like that,

this is completely unacceptable of Pam Bondi. You're like, wait, that's as far as it goes? There's no responsibility to the president of the United States? I saw someone else, I'm blanking who this was, but someone else was going, they go, well, you know, what probably happened was the last administration destroyed all the evidence. I mean, after all, it was Christopher Ray, who was the head of the FBI.

And you're like, oh yeah, hey, remind me who appointed him. Oh, that's right. Donald Trump appointed him Then the end of trump's last term so like, you know, or not even the end whenever but donald trump appointed him in his last term so anyway, it's just all the excuse-making it's just like Look, man, you can hate the democrats all you want to but but have some fucking dignity. Like, come on, dude, this is just so bad for your soul to lie to yourself and lie to the world like this. Come on.

This is just so transparently a coverup and it's, and it's indefensible. I'm sorry. Like this is to me, this is like on the level almost of, you know, launching a war based off lies. I mean, okay, I understand like not as many people are going to die or something like that, but you're telling me that there was an intelligence operation to rape American little girls and to involve some of the most powerful people in Western civilization, and they're going to all get off scot-free when this administration promised that there'd be transparency and justice. This is like, oh my God,

this is so unforgivable. It's just such a crime against humanity. I don't know. Any, any thoughts, Rob jump in. Yeah. Well, I think at a minimum, everything in regards to Epstein is still somewhat speculative, although it all seems damning. But at a minimum, this administration has chosen not to be more transparent or to look into it. So just at a minimum, they've decided we are closing the case on this. You can just trust us. It's over. There was nothing to see here. And if there's one thing that that certainly channels, it's

absolutely having zero interest in fighting the deep state draining the swamp cleaning up Washington. I mean the fact that you're just closing the books on this without you know, if you actually thought that this was closed case and it is this you're this sure of the fact that there was no there there nothing was going on. you could probably give us a presentation with some of the details and who knows maybe that's coming down the line but it certainly seems like Donald Trump bluster at the moment of no we're telling you nothing happened and

Based off of the campaigning. I'm just saying there were themes in the campaign that were promises He's doing a good job on the border, but he's not doing a good job But possibly cleaning up the deep state doesn't seem to be doing a great job on the border, but he's not doing a good job at possibly cleaning up the Deep State. Doesn't seem to be doing a great job of keeping us out of her wrapping up wars, and certainly doesn't seem to be going after Fauci in any capacity. Doesn't seem to be going through on the Doge storyline. So I'm just talking about if you want to look at the campaign promises that were made, I think there was certainly an interest in the Epstein storyline and definitely in cleaning up government and getting rid of the deep state and whatever these characters are that maybe tried to assassinate Donald Trump certainly undermined his first presidency with the

Russia collusion story engaged in tech censorship throughout all of covid and while you might look at this and go nope this is just the Epstein thing and you can trust them that there was nothing there the fact that there's zero Transparency on why you're now just closing these case files after you kept teasing that you guys were looking into it and that you had Something for us I think showcases to me that all those campaign promises are just being thrown out and You will not see any positive movements towards cleaning up government. Yeah, I think I I think that's right. And, you know, to your point, I think that, and this is kind of like what I was getting at, at the beginning about like kind of disclaiming that I hate Democrats and again, for anybody who listens to this show, that's not something that we just say. I mean, you know, from our track record, like nobody's been harsher on these

guys than we have, but there is this tendency in politics, it's one of the worst parts about politics is the the team sport dynamic. So you think to yourself, well, look, I hate these Democrats so goddamn much that the last thing I want to do is criticize Republicans, because that kind of hurts them. And then we got a chance of these Democrats coming back in but I think the reality here is That so much of the energy that Donald Trump was able to tap into the reason why he won such a big

electoral victory in Last November is because he tapped into people's frustrations With the swamp and with the deep state that you're referring to that he could run on this Hey, like listen, man. I'm running this Campaign and and everything I'm putting Tulsi Gabbard in charge of intelligence. I'm putting Bobby Kennedy in charge of health I'm you know what? I mean, like we are going to drain the swamp, this most corrupt shadow government that's destroying the country. But when you just totally capitulate on this level,

I'm sorry, this is totally gonna take away from the credibility of say JD Vance running in 2028. What's he gonna say? No, really, we're gonna do it this time. I promise, this time we're gonna tell the truth. You're, you are by allowing this to happen, you're opening the door to the Democrats coming back in in 2028 and,

and, and even in, in 26 in the midterms. And so, you know, it's just, it's just bad all around. And also as I was saying before, there's just something to, um, there's something that's just for yourself, even if this has no effect on anything else, there's something really corrosive about just lying to yourself, making excuses for just like truly evil behavior. Um, also I just think it's so,

I mean it's just, I guess it's to me, I'm just struggling to think of something to compare it to. It's almost on the level of Fauci saying that he never recommended lockdowns and you'd like watch it. You're like, wow, dude, like, you know, and sometimes people lie and then when like there's a lie like that, like Fauci goes, I was never for lockdowns. And you're like, holy shit, dude, like, you know, and sometimes people lie. And then when like there's a lie like that, like Fauci goes, I was never for lockdowns. And you're like, holy shit. Really? Really? You have the nerve to just say that it's like, dude, not only were all of these people on record, they were,

they went from the files are on my desk and there's so many that we just have to pour through them that it's going to take a while to the files never existed. They held a publicity stunt with right wing influencers and gave them all big binders and had them all take pictures with the binders. Like this is just too nutty. It's too nutty. And I got to, you know, for people like, I know Dan Bongino had a very popular show. Um, I never watched it. Um, like I've seen clips of his show and stuff and I'd seen him on, on Fox news. I was never really like a big Dan Bongino fan. Um, Cash Patel never had a show or maybe he did have a podcast. I don't,

I don't know. But I saw him on a few shows, but there is something where like, you know when cash Patel did Rogan and when he did that other interview with Dan bungee, you know, and his answer was essentially trust me. Like I'm not saying, I'm not just saying trust me, but trust me. I've looked through it. Dan bungee, no, and him both. It was like, would I be lying to saying, trust me, but trust me. I've looked through it. Dan Bongino and him both. It was like, would I be lying to you? I mean, I'm the guy who said the things

that you wanted to hear. So would I be lying to you now? And it's like, they say it almost as if they're like, I don't know, like they're Ron Paul or something like that. Like, I don't trust you like that, dude. I don't have that. The only reason why we liked you is cause you were saying the opposite of what you're saying right now. That was your entire, your entire street cred was like,

I'll go on Tim Poole's show and say Epstein was intelligence. It was a blackmail operation and they have the information and we're going to get to the bottom of it. And then you're like, all right, well, I hope they put that guy as the head of FBI. You know? So you can't play on this credibility when you turning around on this destroys the entire thing that people liked about you.

No one supported Cash Patel because he wrote some gay book for Donald Trump. They supported him because he was talking about this shit. Dan Bongino went on Tim Pool and said that he had it on good authority that Jeffrey Epstein worked for Middle East intelligence. Who was he referring to there? You know, like, what are you talking about? Jeffrey Epstein?

Listen, man, you just can't like, if you through it, go if you want to, I highly recommend Darrell Cooper did a very long form podcast on the subject. But if you're just like loosely familiar with the guy who's at Dalton, and then is at Bear Stearns, and then is like president or partner at Bear Stearns in a year and a half, and he's money laundering, and he's made hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars, with none of it's traceable. And then all of a sudden he's partying with, like, the most powerful people,

and he's got cameras in every one of his rooms on his secret island at his Manhattan apartment, and he's got a ring of underage girls that he's bringing to these areas where there's cameras in every single room. And then he gets caught for soliciting an underage prostitute, in other words, attempted rape of a child. And then he's given a sweetheart deal and the prosecutor says it's because

intelligence came and said he was intelligence connected. And then he's allowed to continue doing this shit. And then when he's finally caught all of the cameras simultaneously malfunction and he ends up dead. But the story is oh yeah there's that turns out there's nothing like no no no I'm sorry turns out there's something I'm not claiming to know exactly all the details but there's a story there the answer isn't we looked into it. Nothing moving on. It's just I'm sorry. It's just too goddamn pathetic.

This is just ridiculous. And for the Trump loyalists out there, I don't think it's unreasonable to have a I'd like a little bit more than Donald Trump or Donald Trump's administration set its standard. It could be true. Donald Trump could be right on a lot of things, but just the fact that he says things gives zero reasoning evidence or anything to just accept it because it came from Donald Trump and Donald Trump's administration. That to me is cart. It's stupid. It's not unreasonable to go. All right, cool. Can you explain it to me? Can you give me your reasoning? Can you tell me the evidence that was there? Are you going to explain to me what changed here? The Pam Bond? Can you tell me the evidence that was there? Are you going to explain to me what changed here that Pam Bondi said that she

said saw things that were terrible and that they're shifting through the information. They're going to make it available. Can you just at least pitch me? What the storyline is here? What is the conclusion that you guys came to? Oh no, they don't even seem to want to be doing that. I mean, look, we'll see. Maybe they'll try to come up with something of some like, Oh, well what happened was we, once we went through the files, we realized these weren't the files, but they're yeah. So far they have not even attempted to do anything. But look, man,

you just can't, you know, especially with that ridiculous publicity stunt where they handed out all those binders and then, you know, it's like, you just, you can't, you can't do a 180 this big. You can't break this big of a promise and think you're not going to get shit for it. It really is. I'm a little surprised that they haven't just continued to pretend like they're working on it and just done that and rode out the four years pretending like they were going to do something.

I'm a little surprised that there's a seemingly a formal announcement that it's wrapped up and done, and that's the end of it. But who knows? Sometimes they like just testing the TAV antenna, and maybe if everyone goes ape shit enough, they'll at least explain it. Or maybe they'll say, we're reopening the investigation, and we're going to go back to redacting files

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Because it really is just hilarious to say Natalie Natalie? That Jeffrey Epstein story is a big deal. Please do not let that story go. Keep your eye on this. Catherine Rummler, we need to keep the heat on this case, folks. There are a lot of people who are knee-deep in the Washington swamp who are not telling you the truth about Serious allegations out there that Epstein may have had video and audio of people out there

Doing things they should have been doing and you should be asking yourself the question How is it that all these people the CIA director the Obama fixer Bill Clinton all? Intersected past with Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein isn't with us anymore and nobody seems to want to talk about it. Outside of a few entrepreneurial media outlets saying, hey, this is a big deal. He killed himself. Again, you want me to I've, I've seen the whole file. He killed himself. Listen, um, like this is, so this is what he'll say. I've seen the whole file. It's literally just saying, trust me and don't listen, man. I'm not one of these people I've never in all the years you've,

you've watched this show for those of you guys who are long time, uh, um, viewers, listeners, I've never talked about like body language or stuff like this, but there is, you could just tell Dan Bongino saying it with his chest in the first clip. And in the second clip, it's like just like him and cash Patel, like you were ready for them to say like America's the great Satan and Allah Akbar or something like that. Like it's, it's like, it was a hostage video. Like, I'm sorry. I usually don't even like talk about stuff like that,

but it's so clear in this case. And again, like, sorry, I'm in no place to say this, but his hairline is reverse Pinocchio and gets you. Well, it really, it really is something. There was, I'm going to race through a few of these topics here because there's just a bunch of stuff that we got to get to. But I will say one thing that this is something that I've seen very little talk about, but this really is a pretty big deal too is that one of the things that also happened, I believe this might've been this morning, but the US State Department has officially removed

Al Nusra from its list of foreign terrorist organizations, which is just pretty wild. It is pretty wild that we are still maybe not quite as white hot as it was years back. But we're we're still fighting the war on terrorism. I mean, this is what this whole last Iranian war was about, that they're the number one state sponsor of terrorism. We still have Hezbollah and Hamas and, and the Houthis and all these different organizations we've been of course on bombing campaigns, um, you

know, during Trump's presidency against the Houthis, um, we still have troops in Iraq, um, we still have troops in Syria. We still, you know, and yet now we're supposed to make up with Al Qaeda. Yet now we're supposed to make up with al-qaeda We're supposed to make up with al-qaeda Because well the Israelis like them control in Syria more than Bashar al-assad Never attacked an American It's really just

Pretty incredible to watch and I you know, I'm not gonna go into too much detail on this. I mean, you know, we've talked about it for years, but it is wild that just very quietly, very quietly. They just announced, oh, by the way, all the, uh, Oh, it sounds like I might have to, I'm going to walk outside and probably find out that it was a false alarm, but I will be responsible and leave and come back. I'll catch you guys in a bit. Oh, what is this? A fire drill? It sounds like there's an alarm in the hotel. All right here. You could turn it. Uh, here, Natalie, I'll be back. I'm going to walk out. Okay. Sounds good. Yeah. Can you just make me full? There you go. Um, I don't know. There's just something it is. So it's, I don't know. I didn't realize Rob was a podcasting from a second grade classroom, but evidently they do fire drills wherever he is. Um, it is something,

it is such, you know, I guess like the thing that would be the through line between, um, the Epstein story and now, uh, Al Nusra are, our friends is that it is, and this seems to me to be kind of a common theme in the United States of America in the 21st century, really the entire 21st century, is that it's almost as if the American people are forced into some type of humiliation ritual. Like your,

your leaders are just going to spit in your face over and over again. And we expect you to say, thank you. You know, like it is just such a slap in the face to go, there was this giant pedophile Reagan. We're just not going to look into, we're going to allow that to happen. That's it. You know, the same, um, the, the same you know, the same, um, the, the same justice department, the same legal system that will throw the book at you. I mean,

just like throw it like people do, people do decades in prison for like bringing drugs across state lines or bringing guns across state lines people people do serious law people have done long prison sentences for defending themselves literally if you if you were Excessive in the eyes of the law or you had a weapon that you weren't allowed to have like if you had a weapon you weren't Allowed to have and you defend yourself someone Someone attacks you. You go do hard time for that. Um, in my, in my state, I believe I have crazy laws about even like, even if you shoot,

even if you shoot with a legal gun, if you, like if you have a legal firearm and it's registered and everything, every, you know, T has been crossed and I has been dotted and someone breaks into your house and you shoot them. You can go to jail for that. You can go to jail for that because I forget the exact standard, but it's like you have to demonstrate this true in many blue states. You have to demonstrate that like you couldn't escape or that your life was actually threatened and then breaking in your house is not nearly enough to do that.

They'd have to like have a gun and point it at you before you're allowed to. So we'll throw the book at regular people for doing their duty or just exercising natural rights. And yet a giant pedophile ring, no one will be held responsible. Oh yeah. You know, uh, the actual enemy of the American people, Al Qaeda, the guys who did nine 11 will make friends with them. It's just what a slap in the face. And I'm sorry, but like, why, why the hell someone please explain to me why the hell

I should bite my tongue about any of this. Why, why I shouldn't just be outraged at the Trump administration It's like these guys had the opportunity of opportunities because the people got behind them to really be a transformative administration and They've they've chosen to continue the tradition of spitting on the American people instead So, you know screw that. All right guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show Which is monetary metals an amazing company run by great guys that i've been promoting for a long time They have really revolutionized the gold and silver space

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the show. Um, all right. Let's, let's talk a bit here about, um, Tucker Carlson, who, uh, once again, as he has a habit of doing really broke the internet, um, with his news that he was interviewing the president of Iran. Now the interview itself just came out earlier today. I listened to a portion of it. Um, I have not listened to the whole thing, but that he announced a few days ago that he was, uh, that he had done this interview. I think he announced on the 4th of July, which was certainly a provocative, but you know, it's, uh,

I, well, I guess I would just say this. Um, I think it is, uh, it is, it was funny to watch all of the people freak out about this. Um, and, and there really is something very revealing about the freak out. It should be said that what Tucker Carlson is doing by interviewing the president of Iran is objectively journalism.

That's what journalism is. It's so wild that there, it would, it should be if we lived in a sane world, it should be the industry standard of journalists that anytime you're at war with another country, you're on the precipice of war with another country, you're in conflict with another country. There, the American people should hear from that country's leaders as well. It is insane that anybody Does not want you to and there's a reason for that. Okay, look objectively speaking

You want to hear that side of the story too? You just want to if you want to be informed that's what you want to do if you want to be Propagandized then you want to be informed, that's what you want to do If you want to be propagandized, then you want to only hear from washington dc now The the way that people spin this thing. Oh, welcome back rob. I'll catch up. I was just uh, we're talking about um, Tucker carlson interviewing the president of iran and I was simply just saying that that's what journalism is It's hilarious to see people freaking out about this. It's it's essentially them admitting I don't want journalism. I want propaganda

I want to hear what DC says about this conflict, but I do not want to hear the other side of this perspective and one of the of course Tucker also had this freak out when he interviewed Vladimir Putin and one of the things that I find interesting is that with all of the wars, and this is true with literally all of the wars of my lifetime, certainly, and quite a bit before my lifetime, but they're all sold off lies. The American government completely intentionally lies to the American people about what the fight is even over like what what this conflict even is about and

That's always been one of the challenges. I think in the new media landscape. It's there it's much easier to kind of Get the truth out but one of the major challenges with all of these Conflict conflicts is always that most normie people don't even know what the war's over. Like after 9 11, I love the way Scott Horton, uh, says it because it's so true. It's like literally on 9 11, but literally and figuratively, the attack came out of the clear blue sky Like that is the perspective of Americans. There's just out of nowhere These fucking jihadists attack us and if anyone I am old enough to remember 9-eleven quite vividly

I was a young adult at the time And the question that all of us asked and this wasn't like some propaganda thing This was like that the real impulse that all Americans asked like on September 11th on September 12th and 13th and it became almost like just like a Cliche to say it but the thing that we all very sincerely asked was why do they hate us? That was our question. We didn't even know there was a beef. Now, I was a young adult. I was only 18 at the time, something like that, 17, 18. But there were adults who asked that same question. Why? Wait, what the hell? Why do they hate us? And then there

was the government to come in and say, they hate us for our freedom. They hate us for our freedom. And that, you know, if that's the information you're going off of, well then you're going to draw a really different conclusion than if you had ever say read Osama bin Laden's declaration of war against America in 1996 or in 1998. If you had ever seen any of his interviews throughout the nineties, if you had read his letter to America, I believe that was, um, I believe that one was, was, uh, later. I think it was 2002. Um,

double check me on that. But if you had read any of those, Oh, you'd get a much different perspective. You, you wouldn't walk away from that and go, Oh, um, he hates us for our freedom. You'd be like, okay, he's a jihadist and he believes in Sharia law, but there's some very specific grievances that he has here. Now, obviously when a year or two ago, there was this big controversy where people were sharing

Osama bin Laden's letter to America on TikTok. Now, by the way, I wish they had shared the declarations of war from 96 and 98. I just find those to be a little bit more, um, revealing and interesting, but the letter to America had some interesting stuff in it. Now there were leftists on Tik TOK who, you know, they're, they're guilty of, um, I guess splitting is what you would call it. I think that's the psychological term for it, which is associated with like some very severe disorders,

but it's also something that people do in general, particularly young people have a tendency to do this. Um, you know, good guys and bad guys is how my three and a half year old thinks of the world. You know what I mean? Like that's just, you're one of the two, but adults are very guilty of doing this too. It's one of the things that a good therapist would try to work on with you. You know, like if you come into a therapist's office and you're like, my mother's a saint, my father's the devil. They'd probably be like, Oh, okay. You know,

it's there's probably a little bit more nuance to it than that. Anyway, a lot of these young leftists, um, they, you know, they, the takeaway for them was like Osama Bin Laden was right. He was right about all of it. And you're like, yeah, okay, that's not the correct takeaway. But generally speaking, I don't think that's most people's takeaway. I don't think that if you were to read his declarations of war or the letter to America, you would go, you know, I don't think Rob, you would go, well,

you know what? I'm a jihadi Islamist now because I just am so compelled by his arguments about Sharia law or something like that. Or I don't think you'd go like, I'm a jihadi Islamist now because I just am so compelled by his arguments about Sharia law or something like that. Or I don't think you'd go like, I'm going to join up with Al Qaeda now and you know, start fighting against American forces and Iraq or whatever. But I think the point is that when you hear from the other side, you can, it gives you a chance to better inform yourself about what the beef is. And if you go,

oh, okay, okay. He's an Islamist who believes in Sharia law. Okay. There's nothing we could do about that. I'm not going to agree with him on that and I'm not going to allow that to be imposed on, on me or my family or my country. But when you go, oh, there's this huge, huge beef. His number one criticism of us is that we have military bases, uh, on their, on Muslim Holy land in Saudi Arabia, you would go, huh, okay. Like, do we need those bases there?

What's the reason for that again? Is that really worth this fight? You know what I mean? Like is, is that, and so you get this, you know, a fuller picture. I saw someone on a prominent account on a, on Twitter who said, I said something, I posted something about how what Tucker Carlson's doing here is journalism. And if you don't like that, then you don't like journalism and you like propaganda. Sorry. And it was interesting. The response is one person said to me, they go, oh, and, uh, it was interesting. The response is one person said to me,

uh, they go, Oh, do I re I really need to hear the other side of the argument of death to America? And it's like, yeah, yeah, you do. That's the whole point. Dummy. Like, what do you want to do? You just want to bury your head in the sand and go, they chanted death to America. That's it. All I need to know. You're not even kind of interested in like, why, why do they chant that? What do they mean? What is the context of that in the Persian language? Like what does that mean? You know, like these are interesting questions and it's,

it's fascinating to see people advertise broadcast that they would rather just shut their mind off. They don't want to know. They don't want to know the other perspective. Like what are you so insecure about dude? Like, I don't know. I'm a Jewish libertarian from New York city. I'm not too worried that the moas are going to convince me. You know what I mean? Like I don't think I'm going to be like, Oh, that's it. You know, I really,

after listening to this interview, I am a radical Shiite Muslim now. Like, damn, that's not gonna happen. So like, what are you so afraid of about maybe learning why people chant Death to America in Iran? Maybe hearing what they mean by that, or what is it that drives that?

Like what, why are we, it's so interesting how the people will just be like almost everybody, just about everybody that I'm talking about in these conversations, they all know that Bill Clinton and George W. Bush and you know Barack Obama and Joe Biden, they all know that they're all a bunch of fucking lying criminals. I mean, Bill Clinton's a rapist for God's sakes. Like, what are we even talking about here? But yet you can't conceive of the possibility that maybe they had a reckless foreign policy that made some enemies.

Like what, what are we even talking about? Um, so anyway, it's just, I find it fascinating. And I think that it would do a lot of good for Americans to understand more about the Iranian perspective on this. Now that's not to say you would side with Iran any more than you would side with Al Qaeda, but it does make, you know, it would be good for you to understand the policies that created this hatred and to evaluate whether those policies are in our interest or are just

for that matter. Any thoughts? Well, it just starts feeling a little bit like, well, it's safe and effective. Can you criticize that? Can I ask for more information? Can we analyze the utility? Nope, safe and effective. Anything else needs to be censored or climate change is a catastrophic risk and all scientists agree on it and if you're gonna say anything other than that on YouTube then we're gonna have to censor your content or at least put a little thing on the bottom so in this case you know I read

through a summary of the transcript because the translation thing was a little annoying to my ears. It was rough. It was rough. It was not the way it was done because it was virtual and there was a translation and there was his voice in Persian and the translation over it. It was a bit of a difficult watch. I didn't finish it yet myself.

But, and listen, I'm not saying that that guy is telling you the truth. Nor am I, you know, nor am I an expert in Iran to say that they have no interest whatsoever in their own agenda or attacking Israel or funding terrorism in the region, or maybe some sort of an interest in a bomb down the line. I'm not an expert in all these issues. But it is interesting to hear the guy out of his own mouth say, that's not our agenda. We would like to have peace with you guys. We've got a religious decree against a nuclear bomb. We don't have an interest in a nuclear bomb. And I think that these are, you know, when all the narrative that you're hearing is basically that these

guys are like bin Laden, and they're just looking to conduct terrorism and looking to destroy other people, at least what I remember of bin Laden is he kind of owned that a little bit more. And so it is interesting to hear, you know, it seems like you've got more of a pathway to peace when you actually hear them out, and maybe wash away some of the absolute lies that you know, they're only interested in death and destruction. And that guy could have been lying. But just to censor it off the bat becomes a hey, it's safe and effective

Let's not have any critical reasoning here No, it's that's a really really great point because I and I would even go further than you It's not even that that guy could have been lying. It's more like look. It's a guarantee that he is lying I've had so he's a fuck. He's the president of a country I like I don't know how like, you know, it's like the old the best The best libertarian line in the history of any movie was in the Godfather When we still but one of my favorite lines in movie history ever when Michael Corleone decides after first thing He's not going to he decides he's gonna take over

the the family business and become the godfather. And he sees, you know, Kay, his wife, is upset with this decision. And she says, you know, she's like, your father's a horrible man. He leads this crime family. He does all these horrible things. And Michael Corleone goes,

my father's a powerful man, like a president or a senator. And then Kay goes, she goes, do you know how naive you sound right now? Presidents and senators don't have people killed. And he goes, now who's being naive Kay? And there's, it's just a great lie. It's like perfectly sums up the whole thing right there. Obviously it is a given that our government is lying to us. Obviously it's a given that other governments are lying to their people and

other governments are lying to us. The thing is that when you do interviews like this, what Tucker is counting on is that his audience has an IQ over 90. It's also what the entire system of democracy is counting on. The idea that you're going to be able to go, yeah, obviously, this is not a truth teller. This is a representative of a foreign hostile government. But the point is that if you're if you have a little bit of sense about you, you could look at something like that and still ascertain information and still go like, oh, okay. But nonetheless, this is what this leader is saying

about the conflict. Okay, here's what our leaders saying about the conflict. Here's what this leader is saying about the conflict. And one of the things that I think is the most fundamental to the entire history with Iran and the hatred for us. So there's a couple things. Number one, I'd say this. Now this is something the Iranian president said in the interview. I did hear this part

of it, which I think, understandably, probably sounds like bullshit to people. But I do think there really is some truth to it. Like there is a lot of there's a lot of propaganda about like the chance or what Iranians have said. You know, it was, uh, there was this one guy who was, um, he was some, you know, I can't remember, he was some type of like a historian is an academic who was studying like Persian history or something like that. And he was the one I heard who pointed out, forgive me,

I'm blanking on his name, but he was the one he pointed out two things. Number one that, that um you know when they always say Iran said they would wipe Israel off the map he was like there's no Persian saying off the map like that that's not a thing that's a very like English thing to say off the map like that wouldn't mean anything in Persian and then he was like here's the actual translation to it. And it was something more of like the getting rid of the regime or something like that. But the other thing he said, um,

which I always just thought was very interesting cause I literally heard it from this one guy and then the Iranian president said it too. But he was talking about when he first started studying Persian history and he was in New York city at the time. Um, I believe he was studying at NYU and then he ended up going around for a while, but he was in New York city at the time and he got in a taxi cab and there was an Iranian guy who was driving the taxi. And he said the first thing cause he like, he speaks Persian. She said the first thing he said as he was in the car as he goes,

death to traffic. And he was just making the point that like death to in Persian is not exactly like, you know, there's just there's this one scene. In fact, the movie was so good actually, actually really well done. Do you ever see the movie? I'm blanking on the name of it, but it was the one where

Brad Pitt played General McChrystal. Yes, on Netflix Yes, I do remember this movie the war ink or something like that, but it was it was the Michael Hastings McChrystal story they actually did a really really good job of it really good movie I highly recommend but there's this one point in the movie is forgive It's been a few years since I've seen it But there's like this one scene when Brad Pitt who's playing General Stanley McChrystal Who was the head of the war in Afghanistan under Obama in? since I've seen it, but there's like this one scene when Brad Pitt, who's playing general Stanley McChrystal,

who was the head of the war in Afghanistan under Obama in 2009. And so he's playing him and he's talking to like these Afghan, tribal leaders. And one of them saying to him, he's going that, he goes, one of your soldiers called our men motherfuckers. And he goes, you have to understand in our culture to have sex with one's mother is a very shameful act. And, and Brad Pitt goes, ours too, but there is, but you could understand where like there is this gap.

Darrell Cooper was making this point the other day, but like, there is this gap where like, you know, like to us, if we say, go fuck yourself, we're not suggesting that you like in search yourself into your own, ain't it? Right? Like that's not what that means, even though it literally says that. And if you say like, go to hell, like, you know, it's not saying I want you to burn in a pit of fire for eternity. It's just saying, I don't like that guy. You know what I mean?

And like, so there are just the like these translation gaps. But aside from that, the much more important thing, and this is true of like every Iranian person that I've heard from who talks about these things, like in an honest way, that's not just a propagandist. This is the thing, right? When you, again, like I said before, when you read Osama bin Laden's declarations of wars, or his letter to America, it's very clear he very clearly lays out what his policy grievances are with the United States and there's an order to them.

Some of them are are just incorrect. Like there was one, like that was about how we turned a blind eye when China and Russia were killing Muslims Which isn't even really true But he just says that but there were other but the number one everybody said it's like the number one Was that we have bases in Saudi Arabia that we have American military bases in their home Holy land number two was that we prop bases in Saudi Arabia, that we have American military bases in their holy land. Number two was that we prop up the Israelis and that they, you know, oppress the Palestinians. Number three was like our bombing campaigns and the sanctions regime in Iraq.

And after that it was like propping up dictators, artificially lowering the price of oil to increase our standard of living at the expense of the Muslim world's you know Like these were his list. These are not the same grievances that I hear from the Iranians Those they don't say the same thing They've I'm not saying none of them do have the any of those grievances But I've never heard that from that. This is the hatred of Iran is about your military presence in Saudi Arabia

of Iran is about your military presence in Saudi Arabia. What Iran's beef with America always is, there's two things that I've always heard come up over and over and over again. Number one is that we overthrew Mossadegh, the CIA overthrew their democratically elected president in 1953 and installed the Shah, who was a pretty brutal dictator. And even though a lot of people in the west

Ironically, you know people like Ben Shapiro, you know the people who are supposedly Orthodox Jews But they celebrate how there were women in miniskirts under the shah But like the flip side to that is that for a lot of people over there They didn't very much like having Westernism imposed on them. Like they did not care for that. And so they were upset that we overthrew

their democratically elected government and placed the Shah in power. And then the other one is that we backed Saddam Hussein in 1980 and sold him the chemical weapons that he then used Against the Iranian people killed 500,000 of them in a war that Saddam Hussein launched that we backed him and Those are their major beefs with us that I hear come up over and over and over again, and I'm sorry but unless you're just like

up over and over and over again. And I'm sorry, but unless you're just like anti-intellectual to your core, unless, unless you just literally just want to be propagandized and to propagandize others, that's vital information to have. Because when they just say to you, they chant death to America, the implication, the obvious implication there is that these are just such backward horrible fanatical people that just hate us that there's no dealing with them But when you look at it and you go like well first of the chant death to America isn't exactly saying I want to murder

You it's more like go to hell like the way we mean that and then you realize that there's these very specific Reasons why they feel that way that really almost nobody can defend like who the hell can defend overthrowing the government of Ukraine and installing the Shaw so that British oil companies could keep their their profits Who's defending that in? 2025 that was a wise decision for the CIA to make in 1953 for literally no other strategic reason than oil.

Like I don't even think anybody is arguing that there's another one. Maybe some people are, but that is the reason why. I haven't heard other people argue a different reason. And then who the hell can say that we were right to support Saddam Hussein using chemical weapons in a war of aggression against Iran. We were right to support him even though we had to go fight two more wars against him

and ultimately overthrow him. So it's not even like we're defending the policies that they hate us over. And I'm just saying like, how is that not a valuable piece of information that does you have to admit? I think if you're being honest, at least change the way you look at the conflict a little bit. That doesn't mean you're going to become a mullah. It doesn't mean you're you know what I'm saying?

It doesn't mean you're going to become a radical Shiite. It just means that you'd go like, okay, in this conflict, you know, the criminals who rule over me in Washington, DC, have some guilt. They have some blame in this conflict. I still root for my country. I don't have to root for the criminals who rule over me in Washington, DC. But I don't have to root for the criminals who rule over the Iranian people in Tehran. It's good information to know that this is a big part of the beef. This is a big part of the reason why there's so much anti-American hatred over there. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, a brand new

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Dot-com slash problem to find out how you can get up to four extra months free one more time express vpn Dot-com slash problem. All right, let's get back into the show. And so any time any time you're you're get back into the show. And so anytime, anytime you're you're potentially going to war or in conflict with another country, the idea that you wouldn't want all of this information out there. I mean, what does that do? It just it just leaves fertile ground for propagandists to tell you like, Oh, well, no, this is the you know, they hate us for our freedom. Therefore, yes, we just got to go kill all of

them. Because what are we what are you going to do about that? And on that note, look at the beginning of the current Russia Ukraine war, where if instead of being called Putin apologists, there was a better narrative of the fact that Putin just did not want NATO expanding all the way into Ukraine. And perhaps all of America could have agreed, hey, we don't really need NATO to be in Ukraine. The administration hasn't sold me on why this is so important. And maybe we could have dodged that war. And guess what? Imagine if it turned

out that that had nothing to do with it. And then Putin decided to invade Ukraine anyways, after after Biden made the announcement of, all right, no more of this NATO talk, as opposed to what he did, which was basically say, we refuse to say that NATO, Ukraine won't be a NATO and essentially provoked it. You guys can go read us Scott Horton's book with that title. But imagine if he then went ahead and invaded Ukraine, we'd be in the exact same place. We'd literally be in the same place. No, no, we wouldn't even be in the same.

No, you're absolutely right. It's a really important point, but like that we wouldn't even be in the same place. We'd be in the same place with Putin having no leg to stand on and no one being able to even justify it. I mean, imagine if NATO had signed the draft treaty that he sent to them, just promising that we wouldn't put Ukraine in NATO, and then he had done the invasion anyway. Well then okay, then you would have,

we'd be in the same place except the Hawks would have a much stronger argument. The problem is that they know he wouldn't have. They know that that's the whole thing. And so they have to say, no, no, no, don't even hear about that. This war isn't about NATO, even though it obviously is. That speaks to just hearing them out and the ability to clean out the propaganda of the

Warhawks, so that if you're in an environment where they're just looking to push for war, it becomes as safe and effective to not just be able to hear them out because imagine if they just have very simple grievances that the American public can go, well, I don't really care about all that, all that much. Why don't we just not have bases or not put NATO right into Ukraine? I can agree to that. That doesn't really affect my life. And then you can actually not have these wars.

But when they absolutely don't want you to hear the grievances, I think that kind of showcases who's really engaging in propaganda. 100%, dude. And I'll say one more thing on this, because I saw a lot of people were saying like, well, no, the problem isn't that Tucker interviews these people, it's that he gives them puff piece interviews, and he's not grilling, he's not going to do the same thing he did to Ted Cruz to Vladimir Putin or to the president of Iran. And just in response to that, because I also think that's a really stupid criticism. Um, I think that first of all,

it should be a totally different dynamic. The way you would interview in America, the way you would interview one of your representatives in the Senate, you know, I mean, okay, like technically Tucker's not a Texan, but like when you're in the Senate, you do kind of represent America okay, like technically Tucker's not a Texan, but like when you're in the Senate, you do kind of represent America in a lot of ways and not just your state. There's a totally different way that you would interview your, uh, you know, government, you know, like I said, um, if you remember back when I was, uh,

talking about how Zelinsky kept calling the vice president JD in that, um, in that oval office, uh, fiasco where Trump dressed him down real good. Like Joe Rogan had a talk. We had talked about it privately a little bit, but he publicly said on the show, so I'm not giving anything away that he was trying to set up a podcast with me, him and Trump at one point that never ended up happening, but you know, whatever, um, would have been cool. Uh, but I,

I remember saying to you that like, listen, I would have been, I wouldn't have been a pushover if I ever had a conversation with Donald Trump, but I would have called him Mr. President the whole time. You know, I would have shown him more respect than I just show the average Warhawk or something like that. Cause it just, you know, there's different situations, different things call for different things. But the point is that, and in fact, I think often, not necessarily, it depends on how you do it. You know, interviewing is a real skill.

It's an, it's a skill that is made to look effortless and easy when you're good at it, but it is not easy. Um, but sometimes you would get a lot less of value out of like a very hostile, aggressive interview with a foreign leader than you would out of just like allowing them to talk. You know, in the same way that like, you know, Theo Vaughn, when he had Donald Trump on his show, he didn't give him a tough interview at all. You know, but that's not what Theo does. You know, that's like, that's not really his style.

But what Theo did was actually incredibly valuable. And we've seen Donald Trump sit down with journalists who are going at him a million times. We know exactly how that would go. Nothing would have knew or positive would have come of that. But Theo Vaughn sitting down and talking about addiction and then Donald Trump being like, what's cocaine like? What does it feel like? And then Donald Trump talking about how his brother killed himself with alcohol. It was like a side of Donald Trump you had never seen before. And that's that's like, there's value in that.

There's value in learning something more about your leader. And likewise, I think there's also there's there's value in just like allowing the foreign leader to have their have their piece. You know, like there's our leaders get their piece too. And like, what are we so insecure about? It's, you know, it comes down to like the whole thing that censorship is always about. It's like, dude, if you really believe you got the truth on your side and you got a more compelling argument than the other side, then what the hell are you worried about?

Why do you need to silence them? You know, I don't want to silence any of my critics. I'm going to debate Josh Hammer again. So I already, I already won big in the, in the Oxford voting the last time we debated, but I got the offer and it's like, Oh, this will be in front of a whole new crowd and a really important crowd to talk to turning point USA. It's young right wingers. That's exactly who I want to talk to. You know, the next generation of people. And so like, I don't know, I think I'm right. So I'll go debate it again.

I think my arguments are going to be better than yours. Like they were last time. Like, so again, I just don't, there, there's a, um, a real insecurity and it comes from a place of dishonesty when you just like, are, you don't want the other side to be able to be hurt. You go, I don't think you're worried that what the mullahs are going to impress Americans such think about that. How crazy that is that we've put ourselves in a position where you're worried

they might win the argument. It is wild. Um, all right. We did not get through all the topics I wanted to talk about, but I do got a wrap there. We got some stuff for tomorrow. So I will see you tomorrow. Thank you, Rob. Thank you, Natalie. Thank you everybody for a viewing. Come out and see us Denver this weekend. And then of course I'll be in Tampa Bay debating on Sunday, Cleveland, Austin, Texas, Rob's, uh, Rob's porch tours all over the place. Porch tour com comic, Dave Smith com.

Also check out run your mouth and Rob's your new show on zero hedge as well. Cooking through interviews. Thank you. There we go. All right. Have a good one. Catch you next time.

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