Part Of The Problem - The Epstein Files

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

Dave Smith brings you the latest in politics! On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave and Robbie "The Fire" Bernstein talk about the released emails from Jeffrey Epstein's brother and his response when asked about them, the movement by the government to release all of them, Mike Johnson's pushback on them, and more.Order Lauren Smith’s book here: https://a.co/d/67djjBpSupport Our Sponsors:My Patriot Supply - https://www.mypatriotsupply.com/problemCove Pure - Head to http://www.covepure.com/problem and for a limited time, get $250 off your CovePure water purifier.Proton Drive - Get Proton Drive using Dave's exclusive offer! -proton.me/davesmithRidge - https://ridge.com/potp10Part Of The Problem is available for early pre-release at https://partoftheproblem.com as well as an exclusive episode on Thursday!PORCH TOUR DATES HERE:https://www.eventbrite.com/cc/porch-tour-2025-4222673Find Run Your Mouth here:YouTube - http://youtube.com/@RunYourMouthiTunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/run-your-mouth-podcast/id1211469807Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4ka50RAKTxFTxbtyPP8AHmFollow the show on social media:X:http://x.com/ComicDaveSmithhttp://x.com/RobbieTheFireInstagram:http://instagram.com/theproblemdavesmithhttp://instagram.com/robbiethefire#libertarianSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

What is up? How is everybody doing? Welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem. My apologies that it's, it's been a little while. We missed both Monday and Tuesday of this week. I know we're a little bit behind. Me and Rob were both out at Skankfest in New Orleans,

this whole week doing shows all day long and stuff. So it was a lot of fun. It was a very busy week, and Rob has moved into some type of brick establishment of some sorts. He's out there. He's getting stuff done. We got a lot to talk about this. Let's jump into it real quick.

Before we start, I did want to mention that my lovely wife's children's book that she wrote, Healthy Hibernation, which so many of you guys have supported, is, I believe, will be delivered tomorrow. I think this is the last day or second of the last day of pre-order. So thank you to all those of you who have. have ordered it go get it it's a beautiful sweet little children's book about eating healthy great for if you have kids or someone you know or care about as kids great christmas gifts um so yeah healthy hibernation available at amazon all right rob from one let's pivot from children's books

into uh the news of the day which is a tough one um or anyway if you have anything uh what you got gigs coming up rob in the next week or so all right i got you stuff buddy i got Poughkeepsie with you this Saturday. And then if you haven't checked it out, we did a very fun live part of the problem podcast, which is still available wherever the skankfish streams are. Was it Veep, I think, is the service? Yeah, go check that out.

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If you're in the live chat and you want to get a question and throw it in there, I will try my best to get to some of them at some point in the show. All right, Rob, we've got to talk about this Epstein trauma, man, because that seems to be the big thing that's been going on. And so where we are right now, correct me if I'm wrong. I know you've been staying on top of this, but I believe the bill is on its way to Donald Trump's desk right now. So it has passed with overwhelming support. and it's on its way to Donald Trump's desk.

And I guess we could talk all about this and some of the new revelations and what we think this is going to lead to going forward. But my first takeaway of all of this, you know, and kind of keeping up with the last few days where Trump kind of flipped and then said he was for, you know, like, I just don't know that I've ever seen an issue mishand.

more by an administration. I mean, it's not even like, you know, there were certain things, like, even when Obama had promised to close Guantanamo, and then he kind of backed off closing Guantanamo, but like at least there was a bit of, I don't know, like a plausible, yeah, I thought this was a little bit easier before I was in office, but now that I got in there and have to deal with the logistics of it, it's not quite so easy to close it. Maybe I could reduce it by a little bit, but not close it completely. and obviously there were like things with Joe Biden's age where look they were look obviously that was a bigger deal in some ways but at the same time it's like okay he was seen all and we're lying and saying he's not it's at least fairly straightforward what the thing is but this dude I mean to go from like I've just kind of never seen anything exactly like it Donald Trump was able to harness this massive cultural energy to that carried him to victory in 2024. And a big part of that was, well, obviously the drain the swamp spirit, but the Epstein stuff was one that like, he talked about a lot,

all of his men, like all of the King's men were on record. Pam Bondi, Dan Bongino, Cash Patel, you know, all of them were talking about, releasing the Epstein stuff. They then pivot on a dime, and Donald Trump tries to do his typical thing where like he goes,

nah, it's a hoax. Here's a nickname for Marjorie. Taylor Green, if you're talking about it, Thomas Massey's a loser, blah, blah, it just falls flat on its face. Then the files didn't exist. Then we were stupid to be asking for them. Then the files did exist, but it was all kiddie porn, so we couldn't show you any of it. Then the, you know what I mean?

Like, after they had done the whole thing with the binders and made this faux presentation, months later, they're telling you it was a Democratic hoax. This was like, this is a Russiagate type thing. And then finally, to flip again. After going a war with the best congressman in the country over his bill, at the last minute, Donald Trump is so politically defeated that he has to flip and support the release of the bill. I just like, dude, the amount of goddamn political capital and enthusiasm

that Donald Trump burnt over this issue to then just result in supporting the release of the files, seemingly, which, you know, whatever we get into, they'll end up be missing or something. you know what I mean like it's real but like just the whole the way to handle this if you were going to end up here he like it was such a self-inflicted wound where that he may never recover from if I'm being completely honest in my view but anyway any any thoughts you have Rob well I agree 100% with what you said but that's all from like a public optic standpoint uh behind the scenes there is kind of the politicking of who's your winning coalition and uh if you

want to go with Massey's earlier, what he said earlier, which is I don't think Donald Trump was actually involved in this, but I do think he's protecting some friends. So it could be that Donald Trump did everything he could to protect whoever he was looking to protect. And now Thomas Massey, big victory here. Stuck with it. Looks great. A lot of public support. So if you want to talk about Donald Trump fumbling the ball for Thomas Massey to pick it up and go, no, we're not dropping this and I will do everything in my pressure to get in my power to keep the pressure on you that we're moving forward with actually releasing all this stuff so uh good on thomas massey pushed it so far that congress had to vote on it and no except for one person i don't even know

what it was i'm going to guess it was johnson but one person voted against it everyone else voted for it and i think i think johnson voted for it i believe i have to double check that but i think he did i think after trump said he wanted him to johnson was like all right what can i do here now um But no, you're right, a huge, huge win for Thomas Massey. And I thought it was a great example, you know, because it did, it seemed to me that, you know, I don't know if you saw it when Thomas Massey straight up said, he made this like call to action to his fellow congressman. And he goes, hey, to all my Republicans out there. Like Donald Trump's the president for three more years. He is not here after that.

And so he might save you in your midterm election right now in a red district. but he won't even be able to help you in five, six years, and you're going to be on record having protected pedophiles. And I do think there was something about that that it seemed to move the needle. It seemed like it was shortly after that that Trump kind of caved and a lot of the Republicans started caving. And it's, you know, if that's the case that that did move the needle, it does kind of like show you how much you can kind of bully other politicians with something like this.

I mean, I think it's like when you said what a win for Thomas Massey, Yeah, how would it even be a loss? Even if the files don't reveal anything, okay, he was trying to get a pedophile files released. Like, you know, he was trying to get down to the bottom of it. And if they do release anything of value, then it's a huge, huge victory that you can never take away from him. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Cove Pure. You may have seen this. Utah and Florida recently banned fluoride in their drinking water.

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But it does just remind you like almost in a way like, dude, if Thomas Massey, if a congressman from Kentucky who's at war with the president who's in his own own political party. If he can move the needle with Congress just by like, you know, rhetorically move the needle with them, just imagine what Donald Trump could have done over the last year. You know, like for all, for all the talk of all this shit about how like border funding was, was held hostage with all the other spending. What Donald Trump couldn't have just come in and said, Congress, you get me a standalone border bill right now. And any Republican, who doesn't vote for that is against border security.

He could have just made them do all. He could have cut $2 trillion out of the federal budget just by saying, hey, guys, that's it. We're balancing. We're getting toward a balanced budget here. We're cut. Give me a budget with two trillion missing and I will sign it and forced them to. But of course, he, you know, doesn't have the desire or the wherewithal to do any of

that. We can speculate on the reasons, but Donald Trump was uninterested in actually exposing the Epstein storyline. now that could be because the CIA gave him a talking to the intelligence was so valuable his name's casually in there enough times that he thinks it just brings bad press for him whatever the reason is Donald Trump was not actually interested in exposing this story or potentially cleaning up the deep state maybe was to protect Israel we can speculate on the reasons all I'm saying is if you wanted to muckcrack this story and you were Donald Trump

there were a lot of avenues to do so and he was clearly really hoping that this would go away Yeah, that's right. That's right. And we can speculate about that, as you said. And look, Thomas Massey, I think at least, I mean, we could ask him, but I think at least the way I took it was that he also was speculating just in the most good faith way about Donald Trump. Like he didn't say he has any reason to believe that or he didn't point to any reason. He just said, I don't think Donald Trump was actually like diddling little girls or anything on the thing. I just think that like he's got all these rich people. that, you know, around him who would all be implicated and the pressure was put on him. I do, I would say, and I think me and you, you know, we talked about this at the time. Again, this is all speculating, but like there was something about the energy at which Donald Trump seemed almost flustered with the Epstein thing that like he did. Like it was, it was such a thing where they're just like, we're going to release this file, everything on this file. We're going to show you exactly what it is. What filed?

What? No, there was no, that was a Democrat hoax. What do you tell? You know, like, it was like this, like, very weird thing. And now at first, I think my inclination was kind of to speculate the way Thomas Massey was. Like, because you always, because I do have a thing, despite how some people might mischaracterize us, we're actually really not cooks, me and you. Like, we don't really jump to conspiracies. You always kind of in your mind, you're like, well, if there's a less salacious.

answer here. Let's go with that first. You know what I mean? Like, okay, it doesn't mean. I will say, with some of the emails that have been released, and I'm not just talking about the Bubba one, because who the hell knows? We can hear from, we will hear from Jeffrey Epstein's brother in a few moments here. But particularly, I mean, maybe, and look, part of this is because I'm not like the

world's greatest expert on the Jeffrey Epstein. as I've talked about on the show before, I listen to like, I listen to Daryl Cooper's podcast on The Martyrmaid show about it. I listened to his podcast with Tucker. I've read probably like a dozen or two dozen articles about it. But like that's it. That's really not like, it's not like it's a story that I know super, super well. And so I guess I really did not realize how connected and how late in the game Jeffrey Epstein was still so connected in the Trump circle. Like just seeing a lot of the emails, like, oh, I didn't realize that like, oh, this is in 2018, he's talking about meeting with, with Bannon and what, you know, other, they, it was like, oh, Trump was in the White House already. This is many years after Jeffrey Epstein was popped. You know what I mean and convicted for soliciting underage prostitution.

So, like, I guess it just not even saying, say, the most salacious thing there, not making any claims, it just does seem like, oh, it seemed a lot more likely that there's stuff that's embarrassing for Trump. I mean, look, at the very least to be like, if it comes out that you actually were this involved with a guy who was running a sex trafficking ring, and you knew, I mean, it was known at this point. This was like, not back in the day. We were like, oh, I thought he was just a philanthropor, like an investment banker. I didn't realize he was doing all this. Like, oh, no, no, no, you realize this has been out. There's court documents about it.

For him to be that closely involved is, at the very least, it looks horrible. And so it just, I don't know. It's not to say that that is the motivation or that that's the only motivation, but it certainly seems like a very plausible one, no? Yeah, that there was just a cat. enough tie in. Even if it went as far back as when they were just hanging out and Donald Trump was being a more casual creep where they both figured out the grift that if you were modeling adjacent, you could meet very attractive women. And then Jeffrey Epstein took the drug a little bit too far and they had to split off. I'm saying even if the tie is just that casual, it doesn't look great in the news. And it seems like Donald Trump had to throw Epstein out of Marlai. for having, I think he actually recruited Marjorie, the lady who, Guffrey, who recently passed away, I think was the victim that had been taken from Marlago. So Trump kind of knew what was going on at a minimum.

I'm just saying the most favorable, and that was one of the confirmations of the recent emails was the line by Epstein that, you know, Trump, Trump knew. Yeah, that, yeah, that's pretty damning. and it is having him say that, seeing how closely connected they kind of were, you know, it's not just whatever the impression, which like what Trump almost tried to make, it's like, yeah, there's some videos of us back in the day at the same party

and like, yeah, I said one time on tape that he really likes the girls young. Like, okay, but no, now this is like years after the conviction. He's still saying, like, yeah, Trump knew this whole day. It just makes it very believable that probably he did. But then the other thing that's really blown wide open on this, and this is before anything having to do with Thomas Massey, this was the drop site's great reporting that Ryan Grimm broke a few weeks ago. But it is like you really can't like overstate how big a deal that was because essentially up until those recent email leaks that Ryan Grimm published, the evidence that, say, he had connections to Israeli intelligence or something like that, was always circumstantial.

Now, it was overwhelming circumstantial evidence that left you in a position where you were like, well, dude, what the hell? I mean, you know, like, okay, like you've got, look, let's just look at it, okay? You've got a Jewish guy who ends up like, unexplainably rising up the ranks at Bear Stearns and getting right up to the very, very top of finance and managing finances for like the most powerful people. He links up with the daughter of a Mossad spy and then starts running like a sex trafficking ring where he has the prime minister of Israel popping over to his apartment on a regular basis and staying there for extended periods of time. And okay, so like even say just that

and there's more to it. But like even just that, you go like, oh, like the daughter of a Mossad spy and your friends with the Israeli prime minister. Like there's this. connect but so it was it was like you know and i think you could say that like maybe some of us got a little out over our skis like i know there was one time i said on a podcast where i i was like we know ebstein was masad and then i said later i was like okay i guess maybe like i overstated that a bit but it did seem like but now we've got actual emails of him trying to connect foreign diplomats with massad agents working with them on how to approach massad like now the connection there's actual tangible hard evidence for this. And so I guess when you say Trump knew, now like the

question becomes like, yeah, but what did he know exactly? Like, what are we saying you knew here? Now, you know, I don't know that it's that it's right to say that Epstein was Mossad. You know, I've always said, aside from that time when I did kind of get over my skis there a bit, Like, I think if this operation was what it seems to be, then, yeah, no, like, they would not use someone who was like a W-9 employee. You know what I mean? Like, yes, you wouldn't be- Or it would be W-9. Oh, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry, W-9 is the one. I'm saying it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be an employee. No, I'm saying. It wouldn't be an employee. It wouldn't even be an independent contractor. It would be a plausible deniability. What are you talking? about this guy doesn't work for a Mossad, but is actually carrying out their issues, you know,

their, their, um, their ops. But also, I would just say keep in mind, uh, you know, like, where exactly Mossad begins and the CIA ends isn't so clear. What exactly is America and what is Israel and what, like, like, it's all a little bit murky in a way. You know, like, I, it's like when I was arguing with Coleman Hughes, and he was, like, arguing that, well, Sharon was the prime minister at the time of the war in Iraq, and he had initially said he preferred that we attack around, so Israel had nothing to do with it. And you're like, okay, well, first of all, he changed his mind shortly after that. But even if that were true, it's like, okay, fine. So Israel had nothing to do with it, except for the fact that Benjamin Netanyahu, the longest

serving prime minister in Israeli history, testified before Congress. that we should fight the war in Iraq. And he also wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal saying we should fight the war in Iraq. And Ehud Barak wrote an op-ed in the New York Times saying we should overthrow Saddam Hussein and fight the war in Iraq. And then Sharon Perez wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post

saying that we should fight the war in Iraq. And then the Israel lobby spent the entire year of 2002 lobbying for the war in Iraq. So like, it's not not, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's not, yes, it's true that some strange, sense. You could go, well, that's not exactly the government of Israel. And then part of that's kind of the, like, Americans, but also at the same time, there's clearly this deep involvement between the two. Like, it's not just, and so at the very least, it's, I think, just undeniably

proven now that Jeffrey Epstein was connected to Mossad. And that is, like, you just kind of can't overstate what a big deal that is. This was when Megan Kelly and Tucker Carlson and me all said this at Charlie Kirk's event. This was the controversy of American politics for that month. You know, like this was like the, and people were absolutely skewered over that. You know, like the entire, all the Zionists all said that like this is just blatant anti-Semitism to make an accusation like this. Well, then the proof comes out.

Any retractions, you know, no. It doesn't matter anyone apologizing to Megan Kelly. Yeah, well, turns out your hunch. was kind of right. I don't know. So anyway, I guess, you know, look, I'm not trying to put together pieces here and I'm that don't fit and I'm open to other, you know, possibilities. But if you look at this and you go, wait, so let's just say hypothetically Donald Trump

knew. What does new mean? Does new mean that he knew that there were underage girls? Does new mean he knew that this was like an op to compromise people? or does it mean that he knew that this dude was essentially an agent of a foreign government? And if that's the case, it does just kind of shine a whole new light on the fact that Donald Trump is the most pro-Zionist president in the history of the country. Like, once you make that, I'm sorry, that's not like that crazy of a leap to go,

you find out this guy's connected to Mossad, you find out this guy's also connected to Donald Trump. It sure seems like a goddamn blackmail operation that he was running. Donald Trump has been spending enormous political capital to try to squash this story, to try to silence it, and he's the most pro-Israel administration in history. Those are some interesting facts to all have up on the board and see how they fit together at the very least. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Proton Drive. If you're tired of big tech snooping through your files, switch to Proton Drive today.

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That's Proton.combe slash Dave Smith. That's Proton. dot me slash Dave Smith. All right, let's get back into the show. I think those are all fair. dots to lay out. I'm still of the outlook of it's unclear what Donald Trump's looks to gain from hiding the Epstein story. And it could be as simple as the CIA. And he doesn't want to get testy with that power structure. Yeah, that, listen, that is totally possible. So just to be clear, like, I am laying out

those dots. But like, yeah, that might be another way that they fit together. It might simply be that Donald Trump is just like, yo, I can't. Like, there's, there's only so many things. I can do and I cannot piss off this power source here. So just two things to note of kind of the evidence that you're laying out. The first is the Ahud Barak email hack from, I think it was from Iran, is quite interesting and clearly showcases the fact that it might just be like different administrations, but at least when Ahud Barak was in office, he was working closely with Epstein on some big foreign diplomatic type stuff, which would suggest that at a minimum, uh, it's

Epstein some sort of a contractor asset of a hubber ox. That's one. In terms of the emails that went out last week, the most damning one was the one that said Trump's the dog that hasn't bit back or hasn't barked back yet, and that's because he spent countless hours with redacted victim in my house. There's something about now the emails that they just muddied the whole waters of it, because now you also have this email of, oh, Clinton was never on the island, I never met Al Gore. So there's also just the possibility that Epstein was slick enough to kind of send emails that would murky the waters of if people were reading through his emails and the correspondence with the bad statements about Trump or with the author who wrote the bad book about Trump in the last administration who, of course, he's playing the card of, oh, I was just, I wasn't working for Epstein or I wasn't trying to figure out or help Epstein spin stories. I was trying to get information from him.

It's like the classic pedophile gets caught, bringing the iced tea to the kid. I was trying to teach this kid not to meet with random strangers on the internet. The point I'm making is, firstly, huge win by Massey, kept the thing in the news, pushed the story all the way to the files being released. There could be great stuff in the emails and all these files. It could just be absolutely bogus, nothing, and nonsense. And there's richer storylines for muck cracking this thing, which mostly include getting all the staff members and everyone involved with Epstein

in front of Congress, figuring out what happened with the J.P. Morgan lawsuit, finding out with the stories with the five other co-conspirators that were given immunity. There's a lot of better leads than kind of just where the files are, but the files exist. So the idea that they wouldn't all just be made public at this point is ridiculous. Yeah, that's right. And that we want to go, hey, maybe there's some other type of lead in there that'll give us some more information on something else to follow up on. No, I mean, we should take a moment before we get into some of these clips to really also say, because you're right, I mean, this was like just an amazing accomplishment by Thomas Massey. And, you know, he has in this process really taken

some arrows. Like he, he stuck his neck out on the line to get this for us. And we should like keep like we, we must protect Thomas Massey at all costs. Like just to be clear, what, it's not only that Donald Trump has gone after him in the most vicious way. And isn't it, like, there's something about it. I know I've talked about this a lot before. But, like, Donald Trump has this, this, this quality about him that, like, because he came along in the moment that he did in 2016, when the rule, like, the political class had just betrayed the American people in every way possible in cahoots with the corporate

media and Donald Trump just pissed all of them off and he was so vicious that it was hard to not just enjoy the fact that he's so vicious with all these people who really deserve it but man when that viciousness gets turned around on good people for the crime of being good people you really do see what an ugly human being Donald Trump is Donald Trump went after Thomas Massey for remarrying like if you don't know the story like Thomas Massey lost his wife of like 30 years last year then he remarried this year and like I don't know I mean I guess from the outside looking in does yeah it's a little quick to get remarried but like who the fuck are any of us to judge what it's like to lose your goddamn high school sweetheart who you had like four children with

who you've been with for decades and the fact that he got like first of it's just none of our fucking business none of us know the details of this thing and for Donald Trump to like put that on blast you're just like for for what for the crime of as jd vans said rob right well I mean he just votes against us all the time and this is politics it's like yeah that's right rob he wouldn't support their war in Iran or burying a pedophile story so that's so that's why he gets all these arrows because he spoke out against launching in a legal war of aggression and because he wouldn't cover up for pedophilia so that's why he that's why he's as he has miriam adelson who Donald Trump is on record saying prefers Israel to the united states

of America is pledging $20 million for his primary campaign, which is, you know, we got a little time for this. It's in 2006. This should be the project that, like, all decent Americans get behind. Like, I'm sorry. You will not take out our best congressman because he committed the crime of not supporting more wars for Israel or support covering up Israel's pedophile op. Like, sorry. That's just too insane. That is too insane. that the biggest funder of the president who the president admits prefers a foreign country to our own gets to take out Thomas Massey over this shit. Like all decent people, our mission should be to like donate to Thomas Massey's campaign, support him, do whatever you can. You know, if you know

anyone in Kentucky, tell them about it. Like, I don't know, but maybe we'll come up with a better game plan than that. But we should keep in mind that like this is such an important symbolic political like campaign that's coming up there, that congressional primary race. which I guess well I guess the the general election is in 2026 so I don't know exactly when they got to pick the when the primary ends up but I guess that's what the that's where the action is is in that primary um but anyway yeah it's just it's it really is like it's disgusting what they tried to do to Thomas Massey and Marjorie Taylor Green too we got to give her some credit on this thing man because like that crazy lady turned out to be the best kind of crazy let me just tell you she is that

She really did turn out to be the best kind of crazy. Rob, you know how crazy chick could go one of two ways, you know? There's either the crazy chick who you're like, God damn, but that's the coolest goddamn chick, but she's crazy or there's the crazy chick who's like, give me a heads up before she's coming around so I cannot be here when she's here. She turned out to be the right type of crazy. Well, there's only one kind of crazy.

It's just whether or not their ride or die on your side or just want to ruin your life. So at the moment, she's, uh, she's fighting. she's using all the crazy on the good stuff i understand you're saying it's kind it's a machine gun crazy woman is a machine gun and like if you can get it focused over here at the bad guys it's a very powerful weapon but then that thing might be like oh okay you can't okay that's a good you're right i think that's a good way to think about it um all right let's get into some of these uh these clips here because there were a couple that were i thought they were very interesting and relevant so first of all you know what before we get into the mike johnson stuff

Let's do the ones with Mark Epstein. We could do this in either order. They're both with our dear friend of the show, Chris Cuomo. A huge fan of mine was actually just tweeting about me today and how insightful and, you know, talented I am. But so here, Chris Cuomo got Mark Epstein on the show, and there were a couple moments here that I thought were very interesting. So let's play that.

I got literally, it sent to be a dozen times this weekend. Did you see the emails between Jeffrey Epstein and his brother, Mark? Did you say it's proof that Epstein was covering and had stuff on Trump as a, you know, his sex life? This back and forth with Jeffrey where he tells you that Bannon is with him. And you say, oh, great, asking that Putin still has photos of Donnie T, I'm assuming President Trump, with blowing, which we all know what that means, Bubba. Let me stop you here. I'm not discussing that email.

This is a private email between Jeffrey and myself, the two brothers talking. It's nobody's business what we wrote. The only thing I responded to is because people got crazy with the Bubba reference and they tried to pin it on Clinton, so I made a public statement that it was not any reference to Bill Clinton. I like Bill Clinton, and I didn't want, sorry for him that he had to go through that. We got to pause right here. Yeah, let's pause it, Natalie. I'll let you go first, but I just, we have to address what was just said there.

Well, first of all, to go, you go, look, I'm not, I'm not going to address Liz. This is a private email between two brothers. You're just like, dude, I think we're past that. Like, I'm sorry, dude. Like, yes, like, under normal circumstances, that might be a reasonable defense. But, like, these are extraordinary circumstances. because we're talking about a guy who ran a giant sex trafficking ring who was clearly connected to intelligence and like now we actually really want to know what the hell you were

talking about here. So I don't know. It's just it's a crazy, you know, it's like, I don't know what to say. It's like, you know, it's even crazier to go. I'm not going to comment other than to let that one guy off the hook. Well, it's going like if I were to go, if you were like in my house and I was like, hey, Rob, can you empty your pockets? so I see you didn't steal anything.

And you do it, dude, are you accusing me of stealing something? But, like, if I had just caught you stealing five things, it'd be a little bit different. Like, well, now it's kind of a reasonable ask. So, like, now we're going, yeah, you're actually going to have to tell us what you meant about those emails. Because it sounds here like you're saying that Donald Trump was sucking Bill Clinton's dick. So, like, if you could get a little more specific. But then it's like, I won't answer that. But I will answer that it wasn't Clinton.

Like, so you're still leaving us with Donald Trump was blowing someone? like how is that like who would think that's enough of an answer to not be like yeah dude like come on you're going to have to give us something here it's crazy for that to be the biggest storyline in the news and to go i'm happy to talk to you but not about the exact thing that oh that's private well then don't come on then just stay home and don't come on the news it's the only reason to talk to you yes but then to go oh yeah i'll just clarify that it wasn't that one person I'm looking to protect and I like that's ridiculous so wait so you're confirming Donald Trump blew someone I mean I wish that Cuomo would ask him that question that would

be great like okay so you're telling me it wasn't Bill Clinton does that mean that you're actually confirming that Donald Trump is gay and was blowing somebody I look like well it's it's imagine Mark Epstein coming on a story and you're like okay so we got this email and you said this what do you think he goes look dude I'm happy to talk to you about the Eagles or the weather I'm happy to talk to you about tax policy I'm not going to get into to Jeffrey Epstein. You go, but why else would we be talking to you, Mark Epstein? That's the entire point. Yes, it's just too, too ridiculous. I also, I love how he sounds like just the biggest construction worker dope of all time. It is pretty funny. Yeah, let's keep playing the

clip. My last word on that email. And I get it. You don't want to talk about it. It was a private back and forth with your brother, fine. But it is being used as proof that your brother had compromised information about Donald Trump. Is that what you are referring to, and is that what you suspect? No, Jeffrey, in 2016, I said this publicly before. Jeffrey told me that if he said what he knew about the candidates, they'd have to cancel the election. He didn't tell me what he knew, but Jeffrey definitely had dirt on Trump.

And you could see in the emails, Trump could deny it all you want, but it's pretty clear. I mean, everything Trump says is the law. But that's not what you were talking about. It's provable that he was in Jeffrey's weapon. He said he wasn't in the house. It's provable he was there. He said everything he says is a lie. But that's not what you were talking about in the text thread.

You don't know of any information that he had. I'm not discussing that email. If I come on and bash Trump, I will. But if you want any other information other than Trump bad, Clinton good, I can't really address it at this time. Look, I mean, this guy, obviously he's being a snake here. Like, he's implying a thing saying he won't comment. on it, but his comment is a huge comment, then he just says it, then he won't comment on it

anymore. So it's like, he's being a snake here. But at the same time, you know, having Jeffrey Epstein's brother tell you that Jeffrey Epstein told him in 2016, again, you think about how late into the game this is. In 2016, it's like shortly before he dies, he's saying, I got enough dirt that, like, I would end this election right now if I were to release it. Just saying, that is one more piece that does just, like, bolster the case of, like, wait a minute. But so then that's a, you are kind of confirming that, like, this guy was at least somewhat in the business of having dirt on politicians. Now, who knows whether this guy is telling the truth or pulling this out of his ass? and I will say, Rob, as you commented on his construction worker voice,

it does, that accent just makes you sound like you're pulling shit out of your ass, you know, and he's also being evasive and being like, I don't know, he's being shady. But it is still something to hear him on record saying that. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Ridge, longtime sponsor, and I am a big fan of the Ridge Wallet. It is beautiful. It's a sleek, minimalist wallet. It's really all you need.

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interested in not tarnishing someone who already has a horrible legacy than you're a bad guy too yep well also just like where are where are the neo-conservatives when you need them you know like where's the person just going oh okay well label him a terrorist and let's torture him until we find out what happened here you know like i mean they were so willing to do that for any muslim who maybe knew a muslim who took some money from like a terrorist related organization you know it's like uh like scott horton used to say that same loose affiliation like i know that he didn't maybe necessarily be a pedophile yeah but i guess if uh suspected pedophile Yeah, he was, he was pedophile adjacent or something like that.

That's enough to hold a Muslim in Gitmo. Assisting and abetting pedophiles. Well, I remember Scott Horton used to saying he was kind of making, like he was saying it tongue and cheek, but kind of, but he's like, he was like, I don't know, you get like the, the, you know, say like the redacted pages of the 9-11 commission, which like the feds had, you know what I mean? Like, we didn't have them until years later, but like they had them. They were just redacted. And you're like, so all this like, you. installed this whole torture regime but you never just tortured prince bandar like let's get to the bottom of that wait there was Saudi involvement in 9-11 okay let's get exactly to the bottom of that what the hell

did you know what was the level of involvement and and like by the I'm not suggesting we actually do any of this but you know what I mean like there is just something about where the political will is that we wouldn't just all go okay we got this guy this guy knows more than he's letting on and is openly saying he's not willing to tell the rest of it. Like, okay, as a society, let's decide this, no one is going to sell this guy food until he, God damn, sits down and explains himself or whatever, you know? Like, I don't know. There's just no, it seems like there's no actual, like, political or social will to, like,

when it actually matters, go, no, I'm sorry, we're getting to the bottom of this thing. Like, I don't know. All right. Let's go to the next clip where I liked this, what he said about, which I got to say, this is where I really, I find myself in agreement with Jeffrey Epstein's brother here. What a weird statement to make. But what he says what he thinks is going on with the release of these files. Let's play that clip.

What I'm talking about is I've been recently told the reason they're going to be releasing these things. And the reason for the flip is that they're sanitizing these files. There's a facility in Winchester, Virginia, where they're scrubbing the files to take Republican names out. That's what I was told by a pretty good source. what I do want to talk about I did just think that was interesting now who knows about his source or whatever but don't you ultimately

Rob kind of have to agree with that conclusion that even if this comes to a thing even if like right now Donald Trump goes dude I have to sign this into law because I have to find a way to put this behind me politically and I can't veto it after I told first of I think they have a veto proof majority at this point but like

he can't veto it after he told told people to vote for it, right? But then, of course, my guess is that there's a massive effort going on behind the scenes now to get whatever the most incriminating shit might be out of there. And so in a way, that's another way where this does become a win for Thomas Massey no matter what, which I understand people could criticize the methodology of the thinking here, but it's just the situation we find ourselves in. But even if these files come back with no smoking gun at all.

all no one's going to be convinced by that because we just we know too much about this story so even if you come back with nothing you're like oh all right you guys just buried whatever was there was interesting i don't know what do you think um well first is whatever time period in new york city cab drivers were still white this guy sounds like every crew cab driver from that time period like i tell there's a facility they're cleaning it up like yeah i'm doing roddy but you get the point. But on the same note, it's like, wait, so you still have high-level sources, but you were uninvolved? How do you have the inside scoop on the story? And why can't you tell us more about it? What do you mean you got high-level sources? What exactly is your business,

that you have high-level sources as to what the information from the Epstein file or how it's being treated? Yeah, that's a good question. And, you know, I suppose, like I'm sure that there there were people probably reporters and such who have contacted him trying to get more information on the Epstein thing but yeah how the hell did that land you in a position where you have any inside into what the FBI is doing with their files or something like that before they're declassified it's like the team is still together they check in on each other every once in a while and uh yeah yeah well this guy it's funny that he's also talking to the frado of uh the Cuomo family it's the free of

convention. Dude, I can't believe I didn't even think about that. Just a couple of sexual predators, dumb brothers having a conversation, having a conversation about what's going on in the world. One Fredo to another. Tell me the deal here, bro. What were you talking to your brother about? Yeah, that is good point. Okay, so one other element of this, which has been, I think, very bizarre that we have not talked about me and you talked a little bit about this. before the show, but has been Mike Johnson in this whole thing. And he is, I don't know, his reaction to this has been weird. He said at one point, did you see where he said, like, he had a, so first he was against

the release of the files. When Trump flipped, I guess he kind of flipped along with him, but then goes, but we need amendments to this bill to like redact parts of these files. And at one point, he even said because it would threaten the political order. And like, this is another, this is like the same thing where they go, listen, it's where they go, it's redacted for national security reasons. You're like, dude, what do you mean? What do you mean?

How is a sex trafficking ring involving children tied to national security concerns? Explain to me how there's an innocent answer for all that. Because that makes no goddamn sense on the face of it. but here trust the road if the public discovers that our sources and methods includes child trafficking and that our institution by the way it's what they all say i remember ben burnacki when ron paul was getting some traction with his audit the federal reserve legislation which he never was able to get passed tragically but and ben burnacki said uh someone asked him they go what reason would you possibly have for not opening your books and he goes it could undermine confidence

And you're like, oh, yeah, that's right. Yes. Well, I guess that is true. Yes, it's like, yeah, there might be a rush out of dollars if people found out that we just printed 15 trillion of them and sent like 10 trillion abroad. Yeah, but like that's, again, that is not a good excuse. Like this is your wife goes, can I look through your phone?

And I go, no, because I'm afraid it might undermine your confidence that I'm not cheating in you. Like, well, that's the whole point. What do you mean? What kind of defense is that? Here, let's play Mike Johnson what he had to say and judge for yourself. Any reaction to Lee or Soon? I am seeing the bill without adding amendments or changing it.

I am deeply disappointed in this outcome. I think I'm told I've been at the state dinner. I don't know. I was just told that Chuck Schumer rushed it to the floor and put it out there preemptively. It needed amendments. I just spoke to president about that. We'll see what happened. So is he, do you think he may veto it?

you say you spoke to the president? I'm not saying that. Is he supportive of it in its current form? We both have concerns about it, so we'll see. Are you frustrated with the majority leader? Are you upset with the majority leader? You get my point at the beginning, though, just like if nothing else, how, like, how catastrophically mishandled this whole thing has been politically, like, what are you even

say like why are you even making these comments what are you so nervous about what it like what is going on here it's so freaking creepy man i mean this whole the whole epstein thing a whole thing is like out of a out of a twisted movie you can't you just can't even believe that you're actually watching what you're watching but so you're like dude there's a vote to uncover look from what they're saying right from from the official story here rob different epstein was not a a CIA agent right And he wasn't a government employee or an elected official or even a bureaucrat or anything like that. He was a private person who got caught, you know, committing heinous sex crimes. And there's a vote over releasing the information and you're going, I'm very troubled by this.

It needed amendments. Me and the president are both concerned. And yet you don't feel the need to elaborate. about what the concerns are and very specifically tell us why you would possibly be trying to suppress this information. Just these vague, it threatens the political order type of comments. It's just so strange to see. And this is the defense you're going with publicly? I don't know.

It's just very bizarre. I think it's very clear that Mike Johnson got his marching orders to try and make this disappear. They shut down the government to where they were trying to dodge this vote. He was very aggressively talking out against Thomas Massey when this first came up. He just lost this battle and that all of Congress voted with Massey to release these files. And now he's still doing everything he can to try and spin it as we were the most transparent. We were always looking for this. The Democrats only dug into this for political points.

and there's still dangers in releasing the information. It's really just showcasing the fact that he does not want this storyline coming out as to what he's looking to protect. It could be an Israel interest. It could just be that he's so aligned with Donald Trump that Donald Trump said, my administration's not looking to delve into this.

So he's just doing his marching orders. It is the Democratic hoax one, man, of all the day, because they oscillated back and forth between several ridiculous defenses. At one point, it was like, oh, there's floods, in Houston. We can't talk about this now. We're doing so much winning for the economy.

But the Democratic hoax one, I mean, it really, it's on the level, like, it's really up there with the most blatant political gaslighting that I've ever seen. The example that comes to mind to me was Fauci, as we've covered a million times and laughed about, but when Fauci said, I never recommended locking anything down, they're like, wait, what? Like, you were on TV every single day, dude. else saw you like what you expect us not to remember but like for them to go hey this was a democratic hoax like well what's the the obvious problem with that is that we're not retarded

children who don't remember yesterday like it's not if it was a democratic hoax well the democrats controlled the government a few years ago after all of this shit had happened right and they never even said a peep about it mentioned it never tried to release anything thing. They never even tried to, you know, to like gin up their base with something about Epstein and Donald Trump. They, they, back then, they would have like just tried to downplay this or called this some right-wing conspiracy. It was Trump and all of his men who campaigned on this issue and rot and ginned up their base on this issue and then had a fake binder party on this issue. And it was not until, Rob, as we all remember, it wasn't until Donald Trump then got

real nervous, did a complete 180, and said, there's no such thing as the Epstein files. I don't even know what you're talking about. And then the Democrats went, oh, look, he's protecting himself. You know, like it was like at the last minute when he signaled he wasn't going to release anything. Yeah, they used that, but only because he was, you know, taking such a massive hit with his own base that, of course, they wanted to get in on that. But, try to like reframe this as if the whole thing like what does it even mean when they say it's a democratic hoax what's the hoax rob are you saying that he wasn't abusing girls are you saying that he wasn't having big fancy parties with powerful politicians are you saying that he wasn't you know

that that that did alan dershowitz not get a massage where his defense was i kept my underwear on Like, was he not connected with these business dealings with Mossad? Was he not like, what's the hoax exactly here? The hoax is that Donald Trump's trying to cover a thing up. The thing that he's openly admitting, he's, you know, was against releasing until two minutes ago. Like, what even, it's like one of the things that's, that's, that's interesting about the Epstein, you know, soap opera is that, Donald Trump so rarely misses the mark this much with how to market and sell his own agenda. You know, like even with tariffs, as much as we disagree with the economic policy,

like he's got a thing to say that you understand why it would resonate with his people. And usually, you know, Donald Trump's ability to like scoff at something, change the subject, throw you some next red meat to get you talking about that, come up with a nickname for someone to shut them down and make you kind of, forget about that. His ability to do that has always been flawless, but with the Epstein thing, it's just like he's falling flat on his face. You know, it's like he's like every single time he keeps trying a new thing. And then that, you know, like he would, he would post on Twitter or truth social or whatever that like no one cares about the Epstein thing. It's over. It's

only the Democrats. Then three days later, he's posted seven more times about it. And you're like, well, what do you even say then? Dude, like, I don't know. There's something, it's been very bizarre how nervous they all seem and how that's leading to them like just i don't know presenting this in a way that just seems like dude you're just coming off as clearly lying it's very strange all right guys let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is my patriot supply ever since covid millions of americans have started buying preparedness supplies i know I fall into that category too. I've often said that the way the Great Depression was for my grandparents' generation, that's what COVID was. That's what COVID was for our generation.

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This doesn't protect victims enough. It doesn't protect agencies enough, which that one is the most alarming one, does not protect the agencies. Oh, the poor agencies. Yeah. Why is that a concern? If the agency is doing something so horrible that the general public would prefer us not to have the agency or conducted in that way.

And then the victims, right. Yeah. And then they say the victims, meanwhile, outside on their, you know, megaphones, every victim and their family members are demanding the files to be released. You know, it said that, so he's like, oh, we'll protect victims. Because it doesn't seem like, seems like this is the opposite of protecting victims. Seems like you're protecting victimizers. And then, yeah, protecting the agency is like, right, that kind of says it all right there.

And there was, I don't think we'll get to it, but in the clip I had sent, it was funny because you basically had... Well, you know what, let's do it, because we got time. We got like eight minutes here. Let's play that clip and then give your thoughts, because I did think that was interesting. You got that one, right, Natalie? Oh, it might just be in the... I might not have sent the clip. I might have just sent the picture of the timestamp.

I think you did. Oh, this is a different clip, but it's interesting. thing also. Oh, okay. Well, then do you want to talk about the thing you were saying before we watch this? Yeah. So, Natalie, while I'm chatting, if you want to look in the, you can look it up. It's the MSNBC thing and the timestamps there. But essentially, you've got every single member of Congress going up there. And now that Thomas Massey pushed it over the limit, they all got to go up there and give their speech about why this is so important and why they're even more concerned than you are classic that's just the theater of politics love it all got to spend their couple minutes

and uh johnson goes up there to basically go um you know i just want to remind everyone that this is terrible time it's terrible that we're doing this now the democrats had four years to do it and this is still a hoax that now they want to do it and it's like dude at this point it doesn't fucking matter like if you want to get something done and someone else didn't want to get it done and now all of a sudden they changed their mind you go great now we can work together and get it done it's so clearly showcases Like, so what, are we supposed to wait eight years until the Democrats go back around? Yeah, you know, it's like, you know what?

We really, now that I thought about it, Rob, we shouldn't get to the bottom of this Jeffrey Epstein thing because the Democrats are hypocrites. So we should let that go. Because they're hypocrites, so we should just let that go. If the government looks bad while we're in control, then it's bad for us. So to keep our political points, what we need to do is wait until the Democrats are back around and then go after them. yeah here let's see uh natalie it's ben let's see if this is as the leader of my party i lead the incumbent protection program okay uh that's my job i go all around the country i travel endlessly incessantly

i have to raise over three all right here you know let's just uh let's go to that other clip that you had up before of uh of trump and then we'll we'll wrap up after that my voice is still a little weak from the festival rob i'm getting it back Mr. President, why wait for Congress to release the ex-team files? You know, it's not the question that I mind. It's your attitude. I think you are a terrible reporter. It's the way you ask these questions. You start off with a man who's highly respected asking him a horrible insubordinate and just a terrible question. And You could even ask that same exact question nicely. You're all psyched. Somebody psyched you over at ABC.

They're going to psych it. You're a terrible person and a terrible reporter. As far as the Epstein files is, I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. I threw him out of my club many years ago because I thought he was a sick pervert. It really is like... He's crashing out, dude.

He's crashing out. And it does also, I don't know, it's just, you know, it's like with all these things like stress tests or whatever, you know, like just in the sense that like, like on a personal level, you know, I just know like when things get hard, you learn things about people that you maybe wouldn't know about them during good times, you know? And like so you see like Trump, that that really is the ugliest part of Donald Trump to that it's not because it's one thing. Again, like I said before, when Donald Trump's humiliating Hillary Clinton, it's like. well, hey, I mean, Hillary Clinton just deserves to be humiliated so much. But in moments like this, when a reporter asks a totally reasonable question, very politely, actually, she didn't ask it in a shitty way. For all, like, we've seen a million times over the years, Robin, we call balls and strikes

on this shit. How many times have we called out reporters for the bullshit questions that they asked Donald Trump? But this wasn't one of them. She went, hey, since you've turned around and you're supporting, releasing the files, Like, why are we even doing the sham of a Congress vote? You're the president. You have the authority to release whatever files you want. Like, why tell them to vote on this and get, like, why not just release it yourself?

And then what is his immediate instinct? Because he doesn't have a good answer. Let me try to humiliate her. And like, you know, it's one thing when you're humiliating a war hawk for lying us into a war. But like, when you're just, when your go to is just to humiliate a woman because you're insecure. and defensive that you don't have a good answer. It's hard to not look at that as just an incredibly ugly quality. Look, man, like I said on this last episode, I don't know what to say here,

but I think we're looking pretty vindicated on a lot of the takes we've had here because we've been talking about this since the Epstein thing happened. But it is hard to overstate how much Donald Trump ruined his political legacy over this Epstein thing. I mean, it really was, oh, excuse me, it was, Donald Trump ruined so much of his political legacy over attacking around and then burying the Epstein files. And they came real close together, too, and they both seem to have to do with a similar foreign

country. There was just so much of the energy and the support and the belief in Donald Trump, like, evaporated with those two things. And as we said in the last episode, I mean, just look at it. He's just, what you said, he's crashing out. This guy's cooked, dude. Donald Trump is cooked. And the America first movement, like this giant political movement that was a winning coalition in

24 had better come to terms with the fact that Trump is cooked. we better start figuring out where we go from here. I would humbly suggest the next first step is we protect Thomas Massey and make sure he wins his re-election campaign. Final word to you, Rob, and then we'll wrap up. I think that's an excellent first step. Look forward to seeing all your nice people out in Poughkeepsie.

Yep. See you guys there. November 22nd. I'm not sure. I know the first show sold out. There might be a few tickets left for that late show if you want to come out. All right. Catch you guys next time. Peace. You know what I'm going to be.