Part Of The Problem - The Failed Assassination Of Donald Trump w/ Scott Horton

Episode Date: July 16, 2024

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You're listening to Part of the Problem on the Gas Digital Network. Here's your host, Dave Smith. What's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I am Dave Smith, and I'm in Austin, Texas, doing shows at the Comedy Mothership, and that means I'm joined by the great Scott Horton. What's up, buddy? Hey, guys. How are you doing?

Good, man. We've been having a lot of fun hanging out on what has turned out to be kind of a historical weekend. Yeah, seriously. Well, I want to talk to you about a lot of what's going on, but we should tell people you've been writing a book, which is part of the reason why people probably haven't seen as much of you lately as they did before. You did send me the most updated copy. It's phenomenal. I'm really excited for everybody, uh, everybody to read it. Cause it's like, it's just an, it's a, if you loved enough already and, and fools errand, you're going to really love on provoked when it comes out, it is provoked.

I'm sorry. Provoked. I'm sorry. I messed up the propaganda versus the Scott, but it is, the book is just a great Hortonian. Like it's just this overwhelming case. It's like, uh, as, as I was reading it, so you sent it to me. I was, I was, I had, I had read like an advanced copy a couple of years ago, but then when I was doing this, uh, debate with a vouch on Ukraine, you sent me the updated copies. I was doing this debate with Vouch on Ukraine, you sent me the updated copies. I was kind of going over it. And it's like that meme, the Simpsons meme of stop, stop, he's already dead. It's like that. Every chapter is just like that. It's like, okay, here's the case for this. And you're like, all right, halfway through the

chapter, you're like, okay, I tap. Yes, we provoked it. Okay, fine. Like I can't. Yeah. The Maitland revolution was an organic uprising. No, it wasn't. And here's the case. Anyway, very excited for that. Thanks. And then the other.

That's what's taken so long is the overkill that you mentioned there. I'm working on every day. I promise. Yeah. No. Well, it's fantastic. And then, of course, the other thing is that you're the Libertarian Institute, which is your organization, is having their their fund, their fund drive this week. Right. That's right. Our summer fundraiser. And, you know, I think we probably talked about this back then that when I started the Institute, it really was just sort of a nice way of saying.

Donate money to me and Will Gregg, but so that we don't seem quite like bums that maybe we'll like call it an institute yeah there you go but no now i got like 20 guys and i've published 14 books including four of my own um and uh and i got just an incredible group of guys and we just added you know only recently we've added uh new fellows bill bupert who's a army veteran and uh expert critic of counterinsurgency warfare the chasing ghosts podcast and he's been writing a bunch for us and then there's jeremy r hammond who is i love jeremy he's great this guy is the libertarian movements, foremost expert on Israel, Palestine, bar none. He wrote the book obstacle to peace. He's our very best guy that we got on that.

Um, and then, uh, of course, uh, the great, uh, Danny Sanchez, who's an editor over at the foundation for economic education. But then it occurred to me like, Oh, I could have him at the Institute too. Well, hell I love this guy. He used to write for me at antiwar.com back 10 years ago, and he's just a wonderful guy. So we brought Danny on, and he's going to be writing for us a bit here. And then also Tom Edlum is our new William Norman Grigg fellow.

And he actually was Will Grigg's sort of friend and protege at the New American Magazine back in their old John Bircher days, you know, 25 years ago and um tom is an austrian school economist and a really accomplished author and writer and brilliant guy and then um and that's just the new guys but anyway we got a great stable of writers all the best writers and podcasts of course uh the ubiquitous and charismatic keith knight i love ke Knight, obviously.

He's coming on. I think we're doing a podcast later this week. Oh, okay. Yeah, he's great. He's the best. And then Kyle Anzalone, who everybody knows, I think, I hired to replace me as opinion editor of Antiwar.com. And he hosts the podcast Conflicts of Inter of interest which is fantastic and then there's connor freeman and will porter and hunter durensis and all our great it's uh james bovard and laurie

calhoun see this is the thing we got our senior guys um take galen carpenter you know kato's fired their very best guy and now he writes for me yeah and um and that's take galen carpenter and then of course got the great james bovard which his other job is writing for the New York Post, right? Yeah, he's the biggest big shot in libertarian journalism ever and is my good friend and is a senior fellow there. And Lori Calhoun, who's working on another book for us. And Sheldon Richman, of course, founding partner with me and Will Grigg, who writes for us every Friday. And, you know, all time libertarian. Great.

So yeah, well, awesome, man. Libertarian institute.org slash donate to help me pay those guys. That's all it is. Basically, we don't have a big office building. And, you know, as you know, my truck is 30 years old. I'm not blowing this money on anything except paying these guys to do their work. That's it. Well, if you do, if you care about uh the ideas

of 29 years my truck i don't want to embellish yeah so let's let's be real here you're you're doing okay yeah um but it is if you care about you know the ideas of liberty and stuff like that and you got a few bucks that you can uh part with it's a it's as good a cause as there is in this movement to donate to it's from the outside looking in it's been very cool to watch you know like when we first like became friends well i guess like i had interviewed you a few times on the podcast but it was like i think the first time we met in person yeah it was right around and started or it was like just getting started so it's kind of it's cool to watch you know like that's it's something beautiful about life like the way you kind of manifest ideas in your head and then, you know, where you have ideas in your head and then they

manifest in reality and then it grows in its own thing. Speaking of that, we got all these great kickbacks because we published all these 14 books so far, including our latest book is this guy, Gary Vogler. I guess I need to make him some kind of fellow or something, but he was the American sort of civilian viceroy of oil during Iraq war two and knows all the dirty secrets. And we published his book, which is Israel winner of the 2003 Iraq oil war. Wait, you're telling me Israel had something to do with the war in Iraq, Scott. I know you read enough already twice. So it's in there. But no, so what happened was actually, he read my book and I have this thing about the neocons,

and they'd been promised by Ahmed Chalabi, the Iranian-backed lie spinner that, oh, yeah, we'll rebuild or reactivate the old British oil pipeline for most of the Haifa, and how the neocons bought it, and Netanyahu bought it, and this was a big part of, because what had happened was, sorry, I'm off on a tangent tangent you got to read this guy's book it's so good uh gary vogler and inside story names names all throughout of the neocons so we're giving that away as a kickback along with the great tom woods covid book which is so good this is the one by the way last right people listening the tom's book is the one that I gifted to Chris Cuomo at the debate. That's right. So if you saw Dave give that book to Cuomo and you thought, I'd like to have that book.

But if you donate to the Institute, you can get that book as a kickback. There you go. You know, as our friendly gift to you as a token of our appreciation for your support of our nonprofit organization. You know, my only regret about that, and I didn't even think about it till afterward but i was like i should have gotten tom to like sign the book for chris cuomo like write like a personal like it was great though because you could see it the whole time he's talking it was there like right side up on the or almost i think he moved it eventually but through like three quarters of the whole thing you could read the spine of the book the whole time dude. I love doing it. I love that. I loved um when you

When you debated um will Chamberlain and you gave him you gave him your book and Justin and Justin Ramon's book That's right And I just I don't know why it always if you do so whatever like the moment that made me a libertarian or my first Introduction to this is the Giuliani Ron Paul which is almost like hacky to be like the mo That's the moment a lot of people of my age who are libertarians found it, but like a lot of people forget this, but it was so awesome. It was the next day. Ron Paul had a press conference and he gave Rudy Giuliani a reading list, which was, it's such a funny Johnson, Robert Pate,

Michael Scheuer. Yep. That's right. All those guys dying to win and all and um and that was like my first thing was like i gotta read these books you know like he kind of gave me a reading list too yeah because i was just interested in it but it was so funny because in that moment you know giuliani is he's like too dumb to even know that the point he's making makes him sound really dumb so he's going he goes uh he goes you're saying that bombing iraq had something to do with 9-11 you know i've heard a lot of ridiculous things but i've never heard that he brags yeah that he's never heard that and you're like oh well all right maybe read something about it and you'd realize this and of course a big part of the spin was that iraq had done it

or had been in on it that their foreign minister had met with Mohammed Atta in Prague and had given him a flask of anthrax, the Israelis claimed, and all of that. So, well, why would Iraq attack us then? It had nothing to do with our bombing then, like even if he thought that. Anyway, sorry. Right, right. Even if you were going with the neocon lies, it would still kind of make sense that there was some connection, right?

Like, okay, why was Saddam in on 9-11? 11? This was Egyptians and Saudis avenging those Iraqis, but they'd never been to Iraq. It had nothing to do with that. Right. Okay. So let's, uh, let's talk a little bit about what's going on. The elephant in the room, I guess, which is like impossible to get away from. So as we're recording this, um, and, and, you know, this podcast will be out pretty soon, but we do kind of live in a world where I and you know this podcast will be out pretty soon but we do kind of live in a world where i'm like this may all be irrelevant by the time this comes out because maybe the 25th amendment's invoked before we finish recording this who the fuck knows what's going to happen but yesterday truly historic moment uh donald trump was apparently shot in the ear. Amazing.

It's just... New York Post has the close-up of his ear, and it hit him just like... Yeah, I mean... And then if you see the footage, I think he's already looking to the right, but then he looks a little further to the right. And it's like, just that. It's like what made it his ear or then he or maybe

it's when he turns back no no it's when he turns to the right because it's like it would have got him here but he's like huh and so it gets him here well it's just it's unbelievable it's unbelievable it could have been like he went oh a penny like yeah i mean they call him i was joking on stage about it i said he just inspector gadgets his way through life like it just seems like everything works out for him and the the idea that we were like we were so close to being on a radically different timeline oh yeah in this country i mean donald trump's brains get blown out on live tv at this i mean what that does to this country but then of course he just turns and gets hit if you're going to get shot the absolute best place to get shot like just just in the ear

you think about it yeah like i don't know maybe the little toe or something yeah no the ear is probably the best i mean it's unbelievable like people pierce their own ears right there yeah exactly you just put a little hoop in there and be all right and then it just and then it turns into the best photo op in the history of politics. And you got to give him credit for that. Right in that moment, he was like, oh, hell yeah. I got blood on me. I'm not dead.

You can actually hear him go to the Secret Service. He goes, wait, wait, wait. Fist. He's like, all right, all right, all right. Hold on. This is pretty cool. It was like in Jerry Maguire. If you ever saw that movie where Cuba Gooding Jr., he's like taken out with a vicious hit

and they think he's like paralyzed or some shit. And then there's a moment where he wakes up and he goes, wait, let me enjoy this. It's like Trump has that. Wait, hold on. We're going to we're going to milk this thing for what it's worth. So just a total like disaster for Joe Biden really is what it all. I mean, the juxtaposition of, of Joe Biden going through these few weeks where the big thing is, man, his brain doesn't work.

And then you juxtapose that with Donald Trump, like blood dripping, given the fist. I mean, it's just, it's fucking incredible. Yeah. Well, and also, and look, I'm not a partisan. I'll never be a republican or a democrat i never have been i'm not a former either never could be or anything like that but you don't even have to favor trump over biden at all which i admit i do a bit not that i'd ever support him really but uh i think you could even just be a democrat go you know

all this stuff where biden every time he addresses Trump, he says that this is like a world historical threat to the future of democracy on the planet Earth and whether people will ever be free again after this guy turns America into a Nazi dictatorship and all that. Like, this is mostly just Israeli propaganda, but it works like all around, too. Wouldn't you kill baby hitler even if he's a baby to stop him from doing the terrible thing well trump's not a baby he's already been president before you saw how dangerous he was when russia was in there or whatever crap you know

liberal democrats spin you'd see it seems like the leftists they like no co-intel pro when they see it right but the liberals they buy into the stuff but um anyway uh this guy apparently was a liberal who did this thing but it just seems like yeah that they they can't just say well i don't know they can't they have nothing to run on really at all other than this guy's so uncouth and he like well we don't quite control him we we're afraid netanyahu controls him more than we do or whatever their small fear about him is but so then they build him up into this it's the same thing that they do to putin or saddam hussein or whatever david koresh they call him hitler and they accuse him of being like the world's worst enemy are you really surprised that on the margin a random kook grabs a rifle and decides he's going to be a hero and try to do the right thing and stop this evil from destroying the land?

I mean, you can't help, but it's like a fact, right? Joe Biden said that and this kid heard it. And it at least must have been some part of his thinking here. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, look, and like mean? Like the most extreme interpretation of Trump ratified by the president himself. He says, yes, you are right to be that afraid of this guy winning. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show,

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And obviously this is all like there's all of these. It's kind of a principle of within reason. You know, I'm not saying that anybody, even somebody who makes the most hyperbolic, you know, insane claims about Donald Trump, they're not responsible for someone then going out and doing something violent. But at the same time, you know, like, uh um what's the shoe on the other foot and see what would they say sure sure right but like look someone like uh uh hinkley right that was the guy who shot reagan so he well he did it to impress jody foster or whatever now you can't blame jody foster for that because it's like you know because that's just insane yeah but there is something um like to your point i think almost what the president had been saying or say i don't know george bush the vice president had been saying

you really want to know how to get jody foster to like you john right you know what i mean like really inciting him in that way that's kind of the equivalent well it's one of those things like when i first saw it um you know like a few minutes after it happened i got like a bunch of texts and i'm looking on twitter and stuff and the it's almost like you have two contradictory thoughts. Like when it first happens, you're like, how the hell was this guy able to get a gun into like an event with a former president? And then like a beat later, you're like, how has no one done this yet? Like how, when tempers are so high, has this not happened? How did it take this long? And there is something like to your point where it's almost like because the establishment was so vulnerable

and on some level they know how corrupt they are and how bad a job they've done that they couldn't just make the case against Donald Trump, which if the establishment was at all competent, would be very easy to just be like, guys, look, we don't want to have this buffoon be the leader. I mean, come on, this guy's got no experience. He speaks in such an unprofessional way or whatever the argument might be. But instead, they know they don't have that. So it's been DEF CON, you know, for since he was running in 2016 and all of the outrageous lies. I mean, you know, Vladimir Putin is involved in a conspiracy with him to overthrow democracy or whatever. You know, he incited an insurrection. Can you point out how they're not bringing that up, even though the stakes are a hundred times higher because we're in the middle of a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine right now. And they're not saying, yeah, it was about to be in again. Yeah. No one's saying,

oh my God, they're going to, which in itself, which is interesting because it's right. So that in and of itself is an admission that this was all bullshit. Right. And then the same, they don't even want to try to make the case again. Well, I tweeted, I guess just because it was yesterday and it was such a big thing, but it's gone. I've never had a tweet that's gotten as much attention as this one. It's got like hundreds of thousands of likes on it or whatever. But just tweeting yesterday that look, isn't look, Barack Obama and now today, Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton, all of them come out. They wish Donald Trump a speedy recovery and they denounce political violence.

And you're like, OK, look, he's either literally Hitler or you wish him a speedy recovery. Yeah. You got to pick one of those two. You don't wish Hitler a speedy recovery like that's just if democracy is on the ballot and this is the end of America, as Hillary Clinton has said, this is the end of America. If Donald Trump gets elected again, well, then, OK, but then political violence is justified, right? So like, it's gotta be one of the two of those. And it's just interesting. They're lying. They've been embellished in their case against him this whole time because he was only supposed to be a foil. That was how they wrote him into the story. And you know, I'm sure, I bet we probably talked about this on your show, the Pied Piper strategy

email from 2016 from the Podesta campaigns at wikileaks.org anyone can find just type in pied piper strategy that's what they call it we want the media to promote the wingers they're the ones will be easier to beat in the general and that's ted cruz ben carson and donald trump and especially they obviously focused on trump building him up and then the idea and remember how easy to see it was as soon as it was clear he had the nomination locked up they turned on him on a dime and tried to character assassinate him the rest of the way. That was how it was supposed to work. But he won anyway. As Norm MacDonald said, the American people hate Hillary Clinton so much they voted for someone they hate even more than her.

Just fuck you, lady. You know, I make that point. And so that but that ain't how it's supposed to be. All this stuff is supposed to be planned out, work real well. It's probably supposed to be Jeb because nobody thinks Hillary could have beat anyone, really. But it certainly wasn't supposed to be this guy. And it's just that loss of control over the system itself that I think has them so panicked. Yeah, and I think there's no question about that.

They didn't panic over w bush the moment the supreme court ruled that we're stopping the counting bush wins every news reader on msnbc and cnn and all these channels clicked their little heels and went president-elect george w bush today blah blah blah blah blah they were just in a hundred percent you know what i mean yeah there was there was no threat from him that they perceived in that way at all the way, just to your point about the Podesta email, the Pied Piper strategy. I mean, this was during the primaries. And if you remember at the time, I mean, MSNBC and CNN, they covered every Trump. Oh, yeah.

Oh, every event. That was it. I mean, they just they gave him all the free publicity in the world that they wanted. And yeah, it's because it's vulnerable. Contact our friends in the media and ask them to do this for us or whatever. You know, right there in the world that they wanted and yeah it's because and it says in the middle contact our friends in the media and ask them to do this for us or whatever you know paraphrasing this is right there in the thing yep this is clearly what happened i mean remember morning joe they'd had trump on all the time this is such an important new show for dc people they have them on all the time the moment it's clear that the nomination is locked up they all completely turned on them

in such a like artificial and obvious way yeah and it's it's so interesting like the the corner that they've painted themselves into and this has just been so fascinating over particularly over the last few weeks when you know they did kind of uh they in a sense it really blew up in their face because you know there is there's like a kernel of truth to the media narrative uh you know it's surrounded by much you know, there is there's like a kernel of truth to the media narrative. You know, it's surrounded by much more bullshit, but there is a kernel of truth to the narrative, which is that, you know, obviously anybody who has two eyes and and two ears and does not have a brain that's so warped by confirmation bias that they could just see

what's right in front of them and see Joe Biden's been in severe mental decline for quite a while now. I mean, there's just no question about this. You know, he wasn't that bright to begin with. He always thought he was a lot brighter than he is like younger Joe Biden, but he's he's fallen off quite a bit. However, the kernel of truth in the media narrative is that actually it's it's gotten drastically worse recently. Like this version of Joe Biden right now is actually substantially worse than he was a year, a year and a half ago, even though he was already slippery. I mean, it's like really, really bad now. Um, but so this is blown up in their face, but you know, it was like they, okay.

The it's debatable, but I think Bernieie sanders was actually more uh unacceptable to the establishment than donald trump even was um like they were really determined to get that guy at like he was not allowed to to be doing what he was doing um and i think not that you know i think for both both of them for for somewhat similar, it was always more about their rhetoric and what their campaign meant than it was about any actual policy agenda. Yeah, they don't really mind him being a senator, do they? Not all these years. Well, also because, look, what Bernie Sanders is always advocating is always going with the wind. So it's always that there should be more centralized power in D.C.

And they're fine with that. You know, it's kind of like if anybody, if you read Murray Rothbard's, uh, the progressive error book, you know, it's like the, the powerful business interests are fine with this, like general direction of a managed economy. We're going to be doing the managing and we'll be controlling how the actual legislation goes. But like, but so you say, Oh, you want universal healthcare by the time it makes it through the DC machine, it'll be Obamacare. We're fine with you saying that it'll just be good for business, you know, but the short version left and right, the prospects for Liberty by Murray and Rothbard, 1965. So good. Such a great piece. Um, but so the, but the issue with Bernie Sanders

was none of that. The issue is that his whole campaign, whether he says it directly or not, the spirit of the whole thing is fuck billionaires and fuck banks and fuck. And you know, turns out billionaires and banks, they've got some influence over our political system and they're not such a big fan of that being the central message, you know? Um, so he was was unacceptable for for, you know, those reasons. And so they had to get him out. And there was just nobody else. They floated out Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren and all these Pete Buttigieg.

They know. Yeah, like remember that it was the only one they had a shot with was Biden. And then they took Kamala Harris as VP to add like a historic aspect to the campaign and now they're painted into this uh this corner well oh and they've lied this whole time about he's just fine and yeah i don't know if i showed you this or your audience you know um there's a guy named orf and he uh is associated with matt taib. But how you spell his name with a zero instead of an O. Yeah, you sent me his video. It's so great.

He's got this great video. And he did the one, if people remember, like the video collage of them saying about Trump. Oh, the walls are closing in. The walls are closing in. It's the same guy. And they're just going, oh, Biden is sharp. He's so sharp. Man, he's sharp.

He's sharp, sharp, sharp. He's sharp,'s so sharp man he's sharp he's sharp sharp sharp he's sharp sharp sharp and then like sort in the second half he like fades the montage over into sharp as a tack tack tack tack sharp as a tack boy is he sharp as a tack he's sharp just like tacks are sharp you know how sharp tacks are just like that and and and then it's just like a million of them it goes on and on for i don't know eight minutes or something of just these little clips of all these kooks. And of course, if you're like really media literate, you recognize a lot of these voices in there.

And then it's just crazy picture of Biden looking like a lost zombie in the debate while they're all saying it's just the memo again, like the Pied Piper thing. The memo has gone out. Biden is sharp. You believe that. And you're going to tell everybody that. Get out there and smile and say it it's unbelievable so so what they do because of that they cancel the primaries they had no primaries and they refuse to allow rfk or uh marianne williamson or any of these people and of course

if it was open a lot more people would have got into the thing um and of course as you're saying with kamala there, they can't just anoint her the leader. He could resign right now, like Gorbachev resigned. I mean, pardon me, Yeltsin resigning three months before the election to give Putin a boost. They could try that right now. But of course, he's not going to do that.

And she's so weak. And I think it's funny to read the Democrats talking about, yeah, no, maybe we could run Kamala Harris. And it's just like, man, you guys are in denial. She is just so incapable. Well, I thought Van Jones made a really good point. I played this on the podcast last week, but I actually and it was still, you know, it's

Van Jones. So you could tell he's like he just just has a different, like philosophical outlook than us. Like he's like an Alinsky trained, you know, like progressive. Um, and so he kind of alludes to that without alluding to it where he's like, Hey, listen, like if we're going to do this, we gotta be all behind Biden, you know, blah, blah, blah. So it's like, okay, like I won't say anything if we're not allowed to, but he's like, just so you know, we should be running Kamala Harris because we're already running Kamala Harris. Yeah. Like Biden's at the stage where if you're running Biden Harris, nobody thinks this guy's going to be president for four more years.

And just think of that, that you're running a president where it's universally understood. He won't be finishing the term and And no one thinks that he will. But we're still running him, though. It's unbelievable. At all. Yeah. And it's funny. I saw someone talk about, whoa, we got a real deep bench.

We ought to have a great convention and free all the delegates to vote and let all of our great governors and senators get up there and debate. And it's like, who? They're talking about Gretchen Whitmer and Gavin Newsom? Like, what has Gavin Newsom got? Got hair. And even then, I think he's got a little bit of the Horton pattern ball that's going on, right? But then he kind of grows it out long. Doesn't work, you know, I learned.

But otherwise, he's known as the guy who ran the land of milk and honey into the ground this is the first time the population of california had a net loss since the spanish began conquering the son of a bitch 500 years ago and hundreds of thousands of people left california san francisco and la are world renowned for being dystopian nightmares and i've been to la like a year and a couple of months ago i went out to la to do that waco thing and man it is just bad dude it is crack zombies or heroin junkies or whatever everywhere dude like no dude you ought to be able to bring your gun when you go to california man it's yeah well no my buddy uh jay uh okerson is a great comedian who's not he's not political at all and he just

always loved san francisco he goes like one of the best comedy cities and i should say i love la i mean i might be a texan but i lived there a couple years and i got a soft spot for it but no but it's it's it is what it is collapsing yeah and then it's even jay was saying about san francisco he's like uh he was just there recently he goes it's miserable man it's, but it's, it's, it is what it is. It's collapsing. Yeah. And then it's even Jay was saying about San Francisco. He's like, uh, he was just there recently. He goes, it's miserable, man. It's a, it goes, it's sad. It's like, I used to love this city and it is miserable. You don't want to walk down the streets there, dude.

Like you're walking over needles and shit. It's horrible. They're going to make this guy their guy. Very hard, very hard to do. Um, and they're talking about governor Pritzker. He was like a born billionaire. Yeah. The, uh, era of, is it a Marriott hotels? I think fortune like a born billionaire? Yeah. The heir of, is it Marriott Hotels, I think, fortune?

Is that right? Yeah, maybe. Well, then the crazy thing in the backdrop of all of this is that the Republican National Convention starts tomorrow. Like that's fucking Donald Trump. I don't know what day he's supposed to speak there, but like it's coming up in a few. How long is that? Usually three days or something like that.

It's coming up in a few. How long is that? Usually three days or something like that. Like it's coming up pretty soon. And so that will probably be, I'm guessing, just purely guessing. I'm guessing that that's going to be like the last time we see Donald Trump is the fist with the blood. And the next time we see Donald Trump is his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention, which is just like all of this is just like out of a fucking movie, man. Like it's you just couldn't even write it. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is nevin eyewear the summertime is here and you need some cool sunglasses and these ones are a steal

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of the air being disturbed by the bullet going by yeah it's amazing yeah it was pretty incredible dude i mean it's really now you know there's just and look wait sorry because no i got biden brain myself real bad it's self-inflicted but it is what it is um the uh the bbc interview with the red-headed guy important one the eyeball witness to the guy on the roof and the key there and this is highlighted in the new york post today although it's not in the new york times they didn't talk about this in the times is that he was saying he was like hey secret service guys there's a guy on the roof like for two to three minutes before he started firing and they just essentially ignored him and he didn't say it was in the the reporter didn't ask enough good enough follow-up questions about like well which cop standing where you know you were hollering from how far away or you went up and talked to them or

what you know exactly and in fact the reporter did say he goes well do you think that they could see him and he goes no because he was on the other side of the ridge of the roof so they probably couldn't see him um but and then he just goes off on his opinion instead of sticking to the facts but it was a smart take was why wasn't there a secret service officer on that roof already himself anyway you let other people control rooftops around where you just would have assumed. Yeah. Like any rooftop that's within rifle distance,

which you assume would be. And I have to assume that the guy is right to assume the way he did, that they heard him, that he was saying there's a guy with a rifle because then he says, not just there's a guy like he was pointing, but he let them know the guy had a rifle. And he said he couldn't understand why Trump was still on stage, why they hadn't already hollered code red or whatever. And I'm ad-libbing that part, but why they hadn't called the alert to get in the hell out of there. And so, and this just goes to like basic accountability

in the american system of government that we didn't all wake up this morning with the head of the secret service resigns yeah really oh that's a great point i didn't even think about that yeah of course yeah and like what do you mean she didn't resign like we're living in a world where that i'm the only one who thought of that or what are we talking about she should not even be in office at all today it should have been over but when the sun came up she should have been at the white house delivering her resignation and apology or is no one responsible or what and and i think we need to know the secret service accused by redhead of ignoring his warnings. I want to know their names and their excuse for what they thought. Cause they say was the sniper,

the secret service sniper who took the guy out once he started firing and he was on himself on an elevated position on a roof. So could he really not see the guy the whole time? And in fact, I mean, I don't know. I got the impression at one point that the secret service sniper had noticed him, but just hadn't killed him, you know,

like was maybe had, maybe didn't see the rifle. So he was just kind of suspicious, but the guy got off eight shots before they took him out. Yeah, that's a lot of shots to get off. Or actually, I don't really know that. Well, maybe some of them were the CIA or the Secret Service. There's a burst of three

and then there's a burst of five. For all I know, it's the Secret Service shooting the five, although I don't think, I don't know. Yeah, maybe. Maybe some more of this will come out, maybe not. It looked like more of a single shot type rifle that the Secret Service sniper would have had, but I'm ignorant of such things really, and I don't know. Yeah, maybe. Maybe some more of this will come out. It looked like more of a single shot type rifle that the Secret Service sniper would have had. But I'm ignorant of such things really.

I don't have a picture of it. I will say it was also, okay, it was fairly unbelievable to watch that there were, first of all, the Secret Service, when they come and they do what I was joking, looks like a Jewish bar mitzvah type thing where they circle him or whatever, like they're going to lift him up on a chair.

But when they're around him, then they're leaving his face exposed. Yeah, his head's exposed. But like covering the rest of his body, which you're like, that seems like, and then it's the amount of women. She's small. One of them was cowering behind Trump.

She like ducked down. There's a still photo where she's ducked down behind him. And then one of them can't figure out how to like holster their gun once they get him into the car so this was the funny part that i saw was so yeah when they're putting him in the suburban there are two or three secret service men who are standing like this and then behind them are four or five women or three or four women running around like chickens with their heads cut off they don't know what to do where to look what to where to go how close to the truck to stand

what they're doing as you say the one tries to holster her weapon a few times but she misses and i maybe realizes how stupid she looks so she stops trying for a second and then does it again you know like it's unbelievable it is hey you know i don. It's unbelievable. It is. You know, I don't know, man. Like your bit about, hey, there are roles for men and women. Look, the role of security guard for the president should start with giant barrel chest because that is literally the job, dude. The upper body strength is the shield. Yes.

To take the bullet. You got to, you know, I'm not a very big guy. You got a woman about my size up there trying to block him. What the hell is she blocking? Look at me. I'm a foot and a half wide. I'm not blocking anything. Right.

You know? No, I mean, I remember talking about this when they started having female refs. Female refs, right? Yeah, something like that. They started having women refs in the UFC. And I saw there's one time where there was like a chick reffing a heavyweight fight and i was like dude i've seen heavyweight fights before where the guy doesn't break when the ref tells him to break oh yeah and like the

ref has to physically break them up like what the fuck is a chick gonna do to a fucking heavyweight ufc fighter i don't care who you are he's a heavyweight in the ufc by definition there's no woman who can fuck with this guy. You know what I mean? It's not like you have to beat him in a fight. You just got to be able to grab him and peel him off of somebody. But I would say, you know, it's like the same thing. That takes a lot of strength. Especially the guys on full adrenaline beating the hell out of a guy on full mode. But it would also apply to like you said, to me or you, me or you should not be allowed to ref a heavyweight ufc fight it should be a heavyweight who has martial arts training you know what i mean who can at least like theoretically hold this guy off you look at the secret service agents in all the footage of hinkley shooting reagan they're all big linebacker looking dudes who at least like

played college ball or whatever you know what i mean they're big guys that's the job i mean you're talking about security like what boxes are you trying to check other than our best equipped to protect this guy's life there's other boxes looks good in a ponytail or whatever like diversity know, we have a very diverse secret service. Yeah. So but it's just it's it's a wild time to me. I mean, this is more or less this is how I've looked at it for for a while is I've said that. being somewhat revealed since Biden's, you know, horrific, catastrophic debate performance, that you kind of see where the power really is and, and that there is something where it's, it's dispersed, right? Like it's not as if the way the United States of America is, you know, like power structure works is that it's just in this sector or it's just in this agency, right? Like there's different competing power sources, but you see where obviously there are people who are in Biden's cabinet, um, or even in his family or people like that who are highly incentivized for Joe Biden to get another four years, right? Like,

like Jill Biden, especially his son. Well, well, right. Someone who your father's in the white house can pardon you at any time for any federal charges jill biden is just some lady if if joe biden isn't the president rather than being i don't know whatever she a first lady who's punching above say first lady typical levels of of influence because clearly the guy does not completely have his mind and plus she gets to be on magazine covers and yeah yeah right exactly she's in. And then you have people like you have whoever his chief of staff and his national security advisor. All of them. These people, they have a job with him. They maybe don't have another job at this level without him.

But then there's real power. You know, there's weapons companies. There's big banks. There's big pharmaceutical companies. There's all this. Now, all of them, all they care about is that it's not Trump. Like they are fine with an establishment Republican. It could be Mitt Romney. It could be Jeb Bush. It could be Hillary Clinton. It could be Kamala Harris, like whatever. Just get someone in there who's going to keep this

thing moving. And they have recognized that Joe Biden is not the best shot at beating Donald Trump. And so this is why you see in the new york times in the washington post in the wall street journal like the knives are out for biden and it's amazing the new york times right now about biden is incredible to see and it it's almost like the iraq war like syria type agenda that like, this is the narrative and everybody turn it up to 11. Biden's got to go. It's all like, you know,

betrayal from within his own faction to the nth degree, which he deserves and which I love. And I relish, I think. And he's the perfect symbol for the empire. Really? I almost would rather keep him for that reason, but I don't really wish the worst on my

country, but I just, it's just the perfect avatar for the empire itself at this point. You know what I mean? Oh yeah. That's where America is, is Joe Biden. That's the stage of empire that we're in. And you think, you know, I keep writing these history books about how bad all the presidents and their policies are. And I guess like one way you could sum it up, all these things, the terror wars in the Middle East and all of our Eastern European policy too, is like Joe Biden has been the president this whole time. He didn't drop out on a plagiarism scandal in 1987. He won the election of 88 and he's been president since 1989. And he's every bit of this is what he did or would have

done. You know know although actually i think that's not true because i think he opposed iraq war one he did but but then he felt really bad about that and he was determined to live that down and become the world's worst hawk ever since he's not he's not the only one um and i mean i don't i just uh christopher hitchens i think was was against the Persian Gulf War. Although he was only a governor at the time, but still. Yeah. Was he?

Did he oppose the first war? Yeah, and then was real sorry about it, too. And it turned out everybody really loved Operation Yellow Ribbon. That's bad PR to have opposed that. Well, this is, but it is interesting. And of course, you've written the book on it. But it is, you know, I certainly remember well, and I was a little kid during that war, but the lesson that everyone took from the first war in Iraq was how much we can do this type of

thing. And like, this was, listen, like, Oh, like zero American casualties, relatively speaking, cheap. You know what I mean? Like it doesn't really make any dent in our economy or anything like that and look we could just get the result we want we got a bob hope special everyone's happy you know like okay some fucking iraqis got incinerated or whatever but you know hey listen they were saddam was treating him pretty bad anyway and so that's that we chose to leave him in power so at least you know you didn't see the catastrophe in a rack of what happened when we took him out right so you leave him in power just a weakened version okay yes some kurds got slaughtered because we told them to rise up with some shiites or whatever and they but no one over here really cared about that and the lesson was that essentially the uh the neocons

i mean you know they're right That's a unipolar moment and we can do this type of stuff. And that's that. Yeah. And, and worse, the only flaw in the whole thing was that we really should have gone all the way to Baghdad and took care of that evil Saddam Hussein right then. Well, that's what left you. But well, the fact that we didn't do that is what left open the room for people to say, ah, man, we should have just done that one more thing. Cause look, this worked out so great. Anyway, we could have made them a full democracy. You know, if we had just done that and it, interestingly enough, it was actually, uh, Dick Cheney who is on tape. Uh, this, this became

pretty famous later, but that Dick Cheney was, uh, and what was his job in HW's administration? Secretary of defense. He was the defense secretary, right? So he was the, and he's going, no, no Cheney was, and what was his job in HW's administration? Secretary of Defense. He was the defense secretary, right. So he was, and he's going, no, no, no, listen, you would have had a quagmire. You know, there's, and it explains it pretty perfectly how it would have gone. And I like how he's actually at AEI headquarters when he says that, which is war party headquarters circa 20 years ago. Right.

And yeah, it's 1994. And you can tell he's not just defending bush senior's policy you know he's saying it was the right thing to stop because we'd have had to hunt down saddam hussein which might have taken a long time and bit been a costly you know deadly campaign we'd have been trapped in fighting an urban warfare you had iran he goes pieces of iraq might fly off and iran would come to dominate the south oh huh you don't say and then he weirdly says and syria would like the west which is not right only when you get rid of the alawites and replace them with the islamic state caliphate in another 10 years will they take the west but close enough

dick and then he says and of course if we set the kurds in the north free then that brings them into conflict with our nato allies the turks and so who wants to get involved in a big as you say it'd be a quagmire so we decided forget it sure sure would sure would be one dude the fucking one of the best things biden had the solution though biden said we just go in and break the country into three and i mean yeah they'll a million people will die in the process but whatever man he knows what to do well there was in those days right and this is part of what um part of what transformed the democratic Party into being the just, you know, cartoonish monsters that they are today is that the knock on, you know, if you remember, because we're a little older than

maybe some of the people who listen to the show. But so you had, you know, Reagan got two terms. Reagan was president from 1980 to 1988 or 81 to 89. And then his vice president, George H.W. Bush, comes in and this is, you know, that's when the war happens. And and so this is a it's a 12 year run of Republicans controlling the White House. And in this environment, you know, the knock on Democrats is that they're weak, you know, and they're still kind of living in this. The last Democratic president is Jimmy Carter. Right. And so it's like they're weak. Look at the hostage deal. You also cover this in your book and like that, which is a real interesting chapter in American history, like the Reaganites working out this deal. But so that's so to understand 90s Democrats, which is what Joe Biden is essentially still to this day.

And what Bill Clinton really transforms the Democratic Party into is that it's a constant like counter running to this narrative that we're fucking pussies. And so what do you do when you're pussies? Well, I'll throw every goddamn black in jail and I'll bomb any country you tell me to bomb. That's how not pussy we are. You know, it's kind of like Trump sending the weapons into bomb. That's how not pussy we are. You know, it's kind of like Trump sending the weapons into Ukraine. Hillary's the worst at this too. Yes. The women are the worst. Cause if you're a Democrat, you're considered a woman anyway.

So if you're a democratic woman, now you got to prove you're willing to kill anyone. Yeah. Right. And they're all like this too. They're all the worst Hawks and Hillary. I mean, she lost Obama in a way because she was a hawk and he was less worse and then what does she do as soon as she gets in there she starts a war in libya she makes obama let her do it because the whole plan was she was going to run on libya in 2016 i remember her great accomplishment of the war they started immediately after it they started running pieces about how what a great accomplishment this was they had to forget about all this shut up yeah oh no they weren't running on that like uh what was it in fact there's a funny clip you can find at real clear politics

um where they ask hillary about libya in one of the debates and she goes hey look that was obama did that i mean hey all i did was like give him some advice but that was him that made that call not me yeah there was no there was no more running on that that was i'm an al-zawahiri and you that made that call lady i remember yeah well but they just dropped it because nobody cared anyway right but so but so the point being that this is part of what happened for those democrats like joe biden who opposed the first war in Iraq. Now, of course, we know, right, like if you read Scott's book or if you've just listened to podcasts that we do together or your show or something like that, you know that like obviously it's like, well,

no, actually, the lesson is that it was another 30 years of bombing Iraq, of losing thousands, thousands of American lives lost there. And as you point out, tens of thousands, if you count the suicides in the wake of the war, which probably should be, you know, factored in also not to mention the small little price of like well over a million innocent Iraqis being killed in trillions of dollars. But at the time, the lesson was, oh, you look like such an asshole for opposing that war now now you don't get to celebrate at the bob hope special you know what i mean like you know and so they and they corrected hard and never made never made that mistake again there was never a war that

they weren't going to jump uh on board with yeah um i mean maybe some so there were some house democrats who opposed uh war in iraq the, you know, that there's such a crazy dynamic with Trump where the government itself hated him so much that the liberals could still identify with the government just as much as they had during the Obama years. It was just the president that they hated. And so they didn't have, you know, I guess whatever,

any kind of policies, whatever they oppose that was going on during his time was just put on him right and was never you know in a way where during the w bush years it's not like they turned anti-government we're still talking about liberals and progressives and leftists and whatever they they were like certainly on you know the national security state stuff they were like okay really non-interventionist because bush was torturing people to death and just you know he told 10 million lies well i mean they counted was 937 lines to get us into a rock war ii and all this so because that was the centerpiece of everything that was so corrupt and wrong about bush it was something that they became

really good on there for a little while. And really, like, if you go back, what they did, the Democratic Party took advantage of all that, like, genuine, decent sentiment, humanitarian sentiment. And they just used it to climb back into the Congress. I mean, they, you know, Cindy Sheehan held her great rally at, you know, her campground there, Camp Casey, near george bush's ramp ranch in 2005 and six wasn't really a ranch it was a pr stunt that they but anyway um and the democrats basically just climbed on her back into the congress and in 2006 people go it

was when obama came it was really just pelosi it was when pelosi came in you know sworn in the new congress in 07 and they were like whatever iraq do what you want oh you want to do a surge here's the money you want to double the war that you've already lost here and let them do it and based on you know getting elected on all that anti-war sentiment then and then of course obama came and it was like that was actually you know blew that anti-war sentiments brains out that's right it was i'll tell you that was a big part of uh of my political evolution was that democratic congress taking over because i uh you know you know i was this is almost 20 years ago um and so you know i was young and stupid.

And I thought I remember being really happy that the Democrats took the House in 06 and Senate and go. That's right. Took the whole Congress. Yeah. And and I remember going like, well, that's the end of that, you know, because the Democrats have been out here saying this guy's a war criminal and all this shit. And now they control the purse, the purse string. So that's it.

They're not going to fund your war anymore. And then there was kind of like, OK, so that was, you know, disillusioning to see that like, oh, actually not only are they funding it, but as you pointed out, they're funding a cert. We're escalating the war that I thought we just had repudiation of as well. Cause you know, he won. Don't worry, Dave, we got benchmarks. We're going to do these benchmarks.

And I was smart enough to see what bullshit that was. Like even that couldn't fool a dummy, a young dummy like me. to see what bullshit that was like even that couldn't fool a dummy a young dummy like me um and so that was uh so it was the beginning of 2007 when they took over i got disillusioned with the democrats and how much all that rhetoric was just to get elected and then it was ron paul just a few months later who had in the giuliani moment so it was like it all kind of was like had lined up perfectly to be like okay let's hear what this guy is saying they were all just full of shit opposing bush but this guy sounds like he really means that yeah and he did of course um the overall lesson here being that partisanship is the mind killer and the spirit killer and the honesty killer and that but also that every time the parties change in power and they're all such

hypocrites and such liars that then a lot of really great people wash out of the left and right leaning movements because there's just no place for them there. And that's why they ought to be looking into libertarianism, which we're just against everything. That's it. Which is pretty easy. Just stop doing evil shit. Yeah, just quit. Well, you know, I was talking about this when I was on Tim Pool's show, whatever, last month, I think. And I don't know why, but this, it was

just interesting. So I, I, I had a tweet that went, you know, kind of viral and, um, it was, I said, it was just like a simple tweet, which are the ones that do the best, the dumb, simple ones. But I just said, uh, Thomas Massey is more America first than Donald Trump will ever be. And it's not even close. And the reason I said that was because I had like, I had been watching, I guess that day Thomas Massey had done Tucker Carlson show and he had that really, it was really good. I was totally good and worth it. One of the things he's great. I love him. Um, I met him at the convention. We got to talk for a bit and he was just a great guy and, uh, condolences to him on losing his wife recently, which is just horrible. But, but yeah, he's the best member of Congress, you know, by far. And so anyway, but so he was talking on to Tucker Carlson about how

AIPAC like has been trying to ruin his political life and how he basically just told him from the very beginning, like in a Ron Paul way, where he's like, just don't even bother coming to me. He's like, there's no point for us to even be taught. And then that he like, it's actually really funny, but that he won't speak to anybody from APAC. Like they're not allowed in his office, but then there are these people who are like associated with APAC or whatever. And they'll like come to his door and they'll have like APAC pins on. And he goes, if you take it off, you can come in my office and speak to me. And he like makes them take off their APAC. Anyway, it's very funny but he's talking about he's talking about imagine a congressman having the balls to take on a pack that way it's just great well they spent

they threw millions into his primary and he survived it which was great and he won um but so that day you know he said that and then trump had an interview like the same day where he was just like uh talking about how uh he's really pro-israel and joe biden isn't as pro-israel as he is a palestinian which by the way and i made this point on pierce morgan the other day that isn't it amazing by the way that uh the just kind of like the democratic establishment the corporate media but i repeat myself uh and just like progressives in general, have just spent the last like eight years, maybe even 10 years since the birther stuff, screaming about what a bigot Donald Trump is. He's such a fucking bigot. And yet that comment,

that got no attention. No one's appalled at the bigotry of turning to someone and calling them Palestinian as a pejorative, as like an insult. Like the worst thing you could fucking be is what Palestinian is like. It's on the level of if he just called him a Jew. I mean, OK, it's not a religion. It's that. But whatever. It's like the idea that just this entire people is an insult to you and not a peep like no one even. Now, look, I understand the story of the day was biden fucking his disastrous performance but like we could never get to that point and this lifelong committed zionist joe biden is a palestinian just it's the same way that trump lost the last election

was trying to portray biden as a communist and a left-wing radical when dude the whole point is that joe biden is the man yeah he's a senator from delaware he's wall street's that's where all corrupt corporations are based in the western hemisphere other than the cayman islands or whatever that's what you know um which actually you should incorporate there too because it it'll protect your tax, whatever situation. I don't know. But anyway, that's where he's from. Right. And has always been the center.

They call him the center for MasterCard because he's the guy who made it illegal to declare bankruptcy over your credit card debt. He's the credit card company's senator. Yeah. He's not a fucking communist. Like how retarded are you? And who's Trump in this situation? I mean, if you are Trump's campaign manager, we're talking 2020.

Look, you may be the president, but you're still an outsider, clearly. And we got to continue this campaign of cleaning up D.C. against this horrible, evil establishment. What do they do? They run Trump as the status quo. establishment what do they do they run trump as the status quo and you don't want to let a dangerous revolutionary like joe biden mess with the status quo do you yeah huh and just they're the worst well and it's everything right wingers they're only gonna do so good of a job man even like even like people who i really love and respect, like even, uh, I remember Tucker Carlson who was great throughout 2020. I mean, really was like nothing short of heroic,

especially because he had been the guy who was ringing the alarm bells about COVID. You know, like he was such a China Hawk that early in 2020 in January and February, he was like, yo, this, they're all down playing this, but this is a really serious virus that China's doing to us. And then when the lockdown started, it would have been so easy for him to just take a victory lap and be like, hey, look, I was the one who took this serious while Nancy Pelosi was out in Chinatown. I was telling you this is a serious virus. So, yeah, but then he heroically turned right on them and went, no, this is a crazy overreaction. We shouldn't be doing this. And this is not going to mitigate the virus. It's just going to destroy the country. And so he's, but he did, I think, make the error of also lumping in like the black lives matter

riots with Joe Biden, as if like he used to refer to them as Biden voters, Biden voters are out looting in the streets. And you're like, okay, listen, I've seen the videos of those kids looting those stores. They're not anyone's voters. Right. These kids don't vote. Okay. Like that's not, they're not showing up for election day. They're trying to get some Nikes right now. You know what I mean? Like this isn't, or even if they're, you can hold them responsible for like, like you can make the connection in a more sophisticated way to understand what's really going on here which is not like which is essentially i mean it seems more and more to me that i'll just say you're more the expert on this than i'll ever be but there were a lot of

like i've read a decent amount stuff you've written and stuff others have written about like color-coded revolutions in other countries and let's just say there were many similarities in the year 2020 there was a way color-coded revolutions in like eastern europe seemed to go down there was certainly a destabilization type campaign there was a huge part of why they overreacted on covid the way they did obviously in the democratic states more than the others which is actually a neat trick that instead of taking the rat themselves, they still got to push the blame onto Trump because it's still Trump's America, even though it's Michigan is the totalitarian police state in question,

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network that you guys got where you can get the black block and Antifa and all of these people who fancy themselves as revolutionary leftists to just step right into the pattern as determined by some democratic party NGO overlord., you know, like that's really something, man. And yeah, that's, it seems to have worked. I mean, and you know, another part was the major censorship of all the new right leaders on social media. It was a huge thing. And then of course the Hunter Biden laptop and also speaking speaking of Gretchen Whitmer. Gretchen Whitmer, that's right. You know, everybody knows about- Manufactured October surprise.

Exactly. Yeah. The fake kidnapping and murder plot of Gretchen Whitmer that was put on by the feds. People forget they debuted that at the beginning of October of 2020. So, and then the narrative went out that this is Trump supporters doing this. You know, the other thing is we always talk about the humiliation that Charlie Savage deserves for the rest of his life for the Afghan bounties hoax of 2020. But remember, the story wasn't just smearing Russia. The story was, and Donald Trump didn't do anything about it while the Russians are killing

our God. Because wink, wink, nod, nod, because he's compromised by the Russians. Accusing him of treason. And you know, this was one of the points that I tried to really- It's completely fake, by the way. There's nothing to that story at all. And Charlie Savage is a despicable liar. And if, again, for people, when the book comes out, you got to read Provoked Man, because it goes through all of this stuff.

I got a section on that. This was one of the points that I really tried to hammer home when I was doing that debate with, uh, with Vouch the other day that it's like, look, this is all, all this stuff, you know, the Vladimir Putin over through our democracy had bounties on us soldiers. This has almost become like a punchline now in America. And rightfully so that it's like, look at the ridiculous narrative, but like, let's sit back and actually look at this. Imagine this from Vladimir Putin's perspective, where you're like, yo, like there, you'd almost have to feel like, you know, imagine how Saddam Hussein felt like right after nine 11, as they start building this case, you're like, yo,

you are framing me right now. Except the difference is that we're treating Vladimir Putin like he's Saddam Hussein. But he's not. He's fucking sitting on a huge stockpile of nuclear weapons with the biggest country in the world. Like, you can't just fucking push this guy around like that. So there's this new book called Nuclear War, a Scenario by Annie Jacobson. And it's based on all expert interviews and highest level sources and research and whatever. But then it's a fictional future scenario

for how a potential nuclear war could start and get out of control. And the lesson is, and we know this from all the different war games that they practiced over the years, that if there's a nuclear war at all, it always devolves into general nuclear war. There's no, there are essentially no workable off ramps

from nuclear war. And she there are essentially no workable off-ramps from nuclear war um and she shows this as well and and in the book i'll go ahead and ruin it for you so if you want to read any jacobson's book put your fingers in your ears for the next 90 seconds or something in the story um north korea nukes the united states dc and california and nobody really knows why but you know how the north koreans are george bush forced them to get nuclear weapons and Barack Obama and Donald Trump and Joe Biden completely failed and refused to negotiate an end to their nuclear weapons program and reconciliation on the Korean Peninsula. So here we are. And they nuke the United States. And once would be one thing, but once they nuke us twice, that means now we got to nuke them off the face of the earth or they're gonna keep nuking us

so now we launch 50 h bombs at north korea but the russian satellite system is some janky ghetto type satellite software type situation compared to what the americans have the americans can find via infrared any exhaust plume from any rocket launching anywhere in the world in an instant from space the russians don't have that and they can't even look straight down they got to look at the horizon and their satellites often confuse clouds or or sunlight for uh for rockets coming so they have to always do double and triple verification this that whatever anyway in the story the russians see the launch at north korea and they think it's being launched at them and instead of going nah come on they're just nuking north korea the fictional putin in the story reasonably concludes that what the americans are going to do here is they're going to nuke our russia off

the face of the earth and then they're just gonna lie and they're gonna tell everybody it was us that nuked them because that's how they are they lie about iraq they lie about everything they lie about russia all day every day by the way this is a great plot and so then we probably would yeah our government probably would do that and so then we probably would yeah our government probably would do that and so then he launches everything he's got and america ceases to exist and that's how it goes and that's a reasonable scenario and it's based on interviews with the secretary of defense and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the head of the strategic air command and it's it's a worthwhile read you know it's

everything she says in there is is based on actual war plans actual war games actual everything there's very limited menu of options once a nuclear war starts and essentially it always just goes to full holocaust full apocalypse well it is crazy i I mean, there's a, did you see, I mean, I know you saw this cause we talked about it the other day, but in Joe Biden's, uh, in his interview post debate where he was trying to prove how fit he is for the job. So he, he takes the, you know, the steel man test. He does a 20 minute interview with George Stephanopoulos, you know, like it was just cause to prove Clinton's man. Yeah. Right. A democratic operativeos you know like it was just because to prove clinton's man yeah right a democratic operative you know get but whatever but so he's trying to break basically his message is yeah look i've slowed down a little bit maybe i don't quite debate like

i used to i used to be a ferocious debate remember when i took out sarah palin whatever anyway but uh so but he's uh that was a real accomplishment. Yeah. Right. Um, so I should talk. I debated Laura Loomer. So, all right, whatever. But the point is it's not, doesn't take much. Uh, but so he's there and he goes and he's like, but look at the track record, you know, look at the track record of success. Like we're supposed to pretend Joe Biden has been like this amazing success, uh, as a president, but he goes, I'm the guy who put the middle east peace plan in into play and i'm the guy who expanded nato as if like the the level of like tone deafness to like those that's what you're bragging about the successful nato expansions and the peace all the peace going on right now in

the middle east you know like it's just unbelievable and so yeah um i think yeah he really he brought that up in the debate too he said against trump hey man i'm the one who came up with that great peace proposal for palestine and then trump of course only attacks him for being weak and soft and a palestinian instead of going what are you talking about dude the war is still going on netanyahu laughed in your face and threw that thing in the trash, and that was two and a half weeks ago. That conversation is over. That whole stupid plan was just a PR stunt.

All it did was what? Kick the can down the road for five days until someone could come up with another new stupid lie or something? Yeah. It's not even worth talking about. Yeah. It is pretty incredible, particularly to watch where there is. And by the way, you know, the Israelis murdered 90 people yesterday

at this refugee camp, just blasted them to hell. And there's a story on antiwar.com where the 16 year old girl describes this toddler. She says very young boy, got his legs blown off and he's screaming at the top of his lungs, crawling on just his hands. And then they bombed him too, right in front of her eyes. That's Zionism. It's an absolute moral abomination, like equivalent to communism. It's just, it's the sickest thing. It's like back when it was legal to own human beings in Alabama. That is the moral equivalent of supporting Israel now is being involved in something like that. It's the sickest thing in the world. I just, I defy anybody.

Look at antiwar.com. Three days ago, four days ago, did you see the video? They bombed the soccer game. These kids are playing soccer in a parking lot. And they bomb, repeatedly bomb. Yeah. These kids are playing soccer in a parking lot and they bomb repeatedly. Yeah. It's, uh,

it's absolutely sickening. The, the level of how evil what Israel's doing to Gaza. And all that is on Joe Biden. A hundred percent of that is on Joe Biden himself. And you know, they go, geez,

I don't know. Is this guy clever enough to talk right into a microphone? Is he got the stamina to be the president for another two or three years? Well, how about let's review the shots he's been calling lately? Yeah. How about the fact that he said again in the debate with Trump,

as he said in the State of the Union address a few months ago, Vladimir Putin swore in his declaration of war that as soon as he's done with Ukraine, he's coming for the rest of Europe well that's not true and the thing is about joe biden is yes he's a liar and of course mr president you can tell any lie that you want but does he know that that's a lie that's a good question does anyone who works for him do they are they a are they not too afraid to say to mr president you gotta stop saying that you can't base your whole policy on the idea that putin has vowed he's coming for poland and germany next he did

not either man what he said a thousand times over was he's trying to protect the ethnic russians in eastern ukraine who got left behind and then screwed over by the United States of America, by the way, you know, it was John Brennan who started this war in 2014, him and Barack Obama and Victoria Nuland. They're the ones who started this war, not Russia. No, that's right. Yeah, one one hundred percent. And there's and, you know, as we've discussed many times and you've you know, you're working on a book about this, but it is interesting how even like the even the hawks on this who support the policy will kind of acknowledge that it all started in 2014. You know what I mean? Yeah.

We're going to Crimea. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. But you're like, OK, but so something there is really the start of this. Right. Cause they almost say like he invaded the country in 2014 and not just referring to Crimea, but referring to whatever the little green man or whatever, who we did send into the Donbass region

there in August. But it is, you know, I've heard not just from Joe Biden, but I've heard from, uh, many people in the corporate media, that line about how Putin has said that if he's successful in Ukraine, then the Baltics are next and Poland's next. And these NATO countries are going to be next. And they say, like, I've been fairly convinced. I'm like, I think that lady on the news believes that. Like, I don't think she's lying through her teeth.

You know, it's always like, yes, you're speculating. But I'm like, I think like whoever's in her ear is telling her that. And I know from my limited time in the cable news world, I do know like that, that is how it works is that these people like in the same way that like, I have my light kind of like, you know, experts who I rely heavily on, you know, and everybody does for the most part. Um, you just kind of like, you got to pick a good group, you know, and everybody does for the most part. Um, you just kind of like, you got to pick good group, you know, of people to have, but like, so if I have like, you know, like I have you and the guys at anti-war.com who I, you know, like seriously, all the guys who, some of whom you mentioned earlier from the libertarian Institute, but all of those guys like, uh, Dave to camp and

Connor and Kyle and it's kind of Friedman and Kyle Anzalone. Am I saying? Anzalone. Anzalone. Like these guys help me out a lot. You know, I'll shoot them questions sometimes and they get me, you know, like good sources on it and everything. I've got like Gene Epstein and Bob Murphy, like economic, you know, kind of experts. And you have like, but the people in cable news, it's the same. It's just they have really, really bad people who are, you know, like it's like when Essie Cupp would be,

you know, she would tell me, like when we'd be talking before the show, but she'd be like, yeah, I just got off the phone with Dick Cheney's chief of staff. And he's telling me that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, about Syria, you know, not like this was Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, but- And you're like John Hanna, that son of a bitch.

You're like, yes, oh, the guy who's wrong about everything that he said but you know but so they've got these people and they oftentimes are not engaging with primary sources you know what i mean they're hearing from someone who's deemed expert who has a very fancy sounding title you know what i mean like this is the guy this is the number three at the rand institute you know what i mean like he's and so they're getting and I do wonder how many of them like don't know that like not only has Vladimir Putin never said anything remotely close to I'm reconstituting the Soviet Union or I'm going to move on Poland. He's, you know, take him for his word for whatever value it is. But he's explicitly saying, no, I would.

The only way I'm going to be in a war with Poland is if Poland attacks Russia. Like it's very clear. The only way I'm going to be in a war with Poland is if Poland attacks Russia. Like, he's very clear. And as you say, he very well could be lying his ass off. Sure. But let's not go misquoting the guy. We're in the middle of a war.

Right. And we're pretending that all of Europe's future is at stake instead of Dnipro. Which nobody actually gives a damn about. Right. Right. Exactly. And so, like, let's be honest about what the battle is here. And I'm not sorry that I said that wrong. I don't care.

That's right. The question is more about like whether Luhansk will be ruled by Kiev or Moscow rather than does all of Europe fall to the Soviet Union that doesn't exist? In fact, he's like repeatedly mocked this. Look, man, you know know our entire gross domestic product is less than you guys spend on your military i'm gonna get involved in a war with nato a conventional war with nato yeah like it just makes no stupid no not either which i know the hawks take that and they go yeah well that's why we got to bring ukraine into nato or that's why we should

have but the thing is no that he would have just invaded faster then, earlier then to prevent that outcome. No, it's like, oh, we should have brought Ukraine into NATO. It's like, yeah, first of all, you were trying. Right. And that's what led to this. Right. And then the other thing aside from that, right, which is like the obvious retort that you just gave is that no, he look.

And again, because of the heroic Julian Assange, we know the Burns memos and stuff to Condoleezza Rice. The net yet means yet like, no, he made it very clear this was his red line and he would move on this. But the other thing is that it's like it's total bullshit that the reason Ukraine isn't in NATO, even aside from Vladimir Putin, would have is because you guys couldn't you couldn't get them in there because they first of all, there was too much resistance from Germany and there was too much resistance from other Europeans who knew this would be such a provocation of Putin. And also because Ukraine is such a fucking mess

that they were never going to meet the requirements. You know what I mean? Like it was, it was always so stupid to be openly like bragging about how we're about to do this thing and just provoking a war for nothing when you never even were going to be able to bring them in. Yeah. No, it was all, it wasn't about bringing ukraine into nato was for the sacred principle that we can if we want to and you can't stop us even though no of course we're not going to you know we can't for all these other reasons but certainly not because you said we can't yeah you know and then that was it that was what the war was over from in terms of not the civil war or the Ukraine-Russia war, but the America-Russia war here, which is the rest is encompassed within, was over that. It was over this made up, what, lingo, right?

The open door policy was just something they came up with at a NATO conference in 2004, or maybe it was in 1999. I think it was in, I had this wrong and I just corrected myself in the book. I think it was in 1999 that they first said that. And there's this Helsinki Accord where they agreed that any country can join any alliance that they want and whatever, so they were building on that from back then. It's still like, these are just words,

and so are, hey, you better respect my sphere of influence or I'm going to start bombing the place. Those are words too. You know what I mean? It's the same. And, and you might say it's totally unfair. Like why should Ukraine have to suffer Russia only because they're next door? Same reason the Palestinians got to suffer the Israelis, I guess. You know what I mean? Same reason the, the poor people of Latin America have had to suffer the United States for the last 200 years, you know, because those are the breaks. Yeah. But that's how progressive America is. We make people suffer even when they're not next door. You don't even have to be that close to us. And we'll, you're in our sphere of influence. If you're on the globe, you're in America's sphere of influence. That's right. No sphere of influence

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home of the $60 kilo. All right, let's get back into the show. Well, it does seem to me and we're coming up here against the, uh, the end of time, but I'm curious for your thoughts on this since you are the guy writing the book on it right now. So I kind of felt like, uh, when the war first broke out in, in Ukraine and I'd mean the, in 22, not the, you know know civil war that started in 2014 but the it seemed like okay this is like an incredibly dangerous game um then as you know look certainly um whatever what when when did vladimir putin say he could be in kiev in weeks? Was that in? In 14. That was in 2014, right? Yeah, he said to an Italian diplomat. Look, there's no question that the period between 2014 and 2022,

where in many ways Ukraine was like a de facto member of NATO, they're doing joint military exercises with NATO and Ukraine. And then, of course, the weapons that were sent in pre 22. And then, of course, the insane amount of weapons that have been sent in since then. This does seem to have changed the calculation where Ukraine can put up more of a fight now than they would have probably otherwise been able to put up. Yeah. But it also did seem like over the last year that russia's winning it's kind of an inevitability um if you remember what was it like around six months ago there was that time magazine piece that really was like uh it was like zolinski's lost his own military they're not even

following his orders anymore none of these guys chief and right right but like they were like no one believes he can even win the war anymore um and and it did seem like it was at least the the the worst dangers of it from my perspective at least were like kind of being tempered because well with vladimir putin's winning he's not about to start launching nukes it's like the bigger fear was like him losing and what somebody does when they're losing you know like the biggest fear was like him losing and what somebody does when they're losing, you know, like the biggest fear for any, any leader who has nukes is that they'd be in a Gaddafi like position where they think they're about to get like fucking sodomized to death and then fuck it. Maybe that's the time when you just like let some nukes fly.

But then now over the last few months with this stuff, with like approving attacks within Russia's borders, it just seems like, oh, we've escalated the worst case scenario again for no apparent reason. Yeah. I don't know. What do you think? Well, look, I mean, I should say that, that like, if we're talking about any two countries fighting and one invades the other, then like, go ahead and invade them back. I don't give a damn.

Like, well, you know, I don't know. But in this case,ica is completely implicated in this so it's not a matter of like ukraine doing what they want they gotta stay within the restrictions of the united states and they more or less have but then those restrictions keep getting loosened if you go back to the start of the war the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff mark milley uh there's a piece in the Washington Post about this where, forgot them all, but rule number two was keep the war geographically contained inside Ukraine. Like even on the last day when they win and force the Russians back across the border, don't chase them. You know, just we're fighting for every inch of

Ukraine and that's it, et cetera. Not that they're ever going to get that but that was the stricture then as they're getting more desperate now they're lashing out so what strategic advantage can be gained from using these hymar rocket artillery to hit and they're hitting missile trucks you know like in other words equivalent artillery right uh you know on the other side this kind of thing what strategic advantage do they get from that nothing you know hitting a air base or whatever it is that they're getting all that can be replaced quickly right it's not even necessarily a tactical advantage and you know maybe it would be in the middle of any one battle or something overall what it's really doing i think it should be looked at politically it's meant i think to provoke the

russians into doing worse in order to provoke the americans into providing more aid and doubling down western support this is it's a tough position to be in leading a weak country getting the crap kicked out of it by a much more powerful one but you also have all these powerful allies but they're only so willing to help you sometimes whatever and you know this is something that um you know in the bosnia war the muslims would often fake attacks against their own people i mean really kill people but do false flag attacks and this kind of thing in order to cry victim on cnn christian amonpour and all that would carry the message and to get Bill Clinton to intervene. And he's, I don't know how to say his name. I sometimes can say his name, the leader of the Bosnian Muslims. He said this openly, like, yeah, we're trying to get our own people killed more so

that we provoke Bill Clinton into coming and helping us, you know, this kind of stuff. Well, there you go. Quote mining again. I know. I'm always doing that. That was what I got criticized uh, uh, criticized for, um, the other day is the, uh, they said, Oh, um, we're talking about Israel propping up Hamas and they go, Oh, you're just, you're quote mining. This is used as activists by, uh, this is like a technique, you know, you find, Oh, random quotes here or there. And now some of these quotes are taken out of context. You're like, how about everyone? Here's everyone admitting it in their own words that's not that's not evidence now

that's kind of a fun thing we're like okay from now on no one can ever cite anything that anybody ever said before especially like if they're admitting something that you're trying to use against them because i got this new phrase i just say quote mining and then you have to stop and i don't have to pay attention anymore your honor your honor i'd like to submit into evidence uh exhibit a this is a written uh confession by the defendant your objection you're on a quote mining they're quote mining in the courtroom i got this 400 page memoir that the guy wrote here can i quote out of that it seems very deliberate what he's trying to get across here well i also like

when they'll be like uh there'll be one thing where like you'll be like hey look this guy admitted it in his own words and they'll be like yeah well this other guy denied it and it's like yeah but like look man if five people come out of a room and there's like a dead guy and like four of them are like we had nothing to do with it and then the fifth guy's like i admit it we all fucking did it it's like you're like well one of them denies it one of them confesses to it i guess it's just we'll toss both of those out it's like no let's focus on the confession part that seems like it's relevant statement against interest here yeah like right isn't that isn't that fairly uh relevant in this

but uh but anyway it is something where, you know, so like immediately after October 7th, you know, there were calls from, you know, okay, insane people, but insane people who are senators like Lindsey Graham to bomb Iran. And why is that? Because like, well, even if we don't have evidence that they were directly implicated in October 7th, we know they've funded Hamas and therefore you're now guilty along with them. And you're like, okay, but how does that not apply to Israel? Why? Because, because they did their funding indirectly through Qatar that then what it's like, it's okay. Like it doesn't. And then just, what's the real Intel on Iranan funding hamas lately anyway i know

they had a big split over syria because hamas took al-qaeda's side in that one at least rhetorically and um and the shiites were pissed off about that so like i mean if you told me that they had resumed some payments i'd believe you i guess but i'd like to see no i've seen no i've seen no evidence that there's been that they've been like recently propping them up or anything. And it is pretty funny, just like the mental gymnastics around the Qatari money going to Hamas, even like with the New York Times reporting about the Mossad chief going over there just a couple of weeks before October 7th. But even like what's also like funny about all of it is that it's like, okay,

Iran, this country who just happens to be, you know, the one that was put on the axis of evil. And it just happens to be like this country that the neocons have had a boner for a war with for the last 20 plus years, really 30 plus years or something like that. Well,

these guys funded Hamas. Like, let's just say for the sake of argument, like whatever they've, they've funded Hamas. They've certainly done just say for the sake of argument, like whatever they've, they've funded Hamas. They've certainly done business with them in the past. Right. But it's like, okay. So that, but Qatar over here, Qatar, uh, they're an ally of, of the U S and they're at least in effect, a partnership with Israel. You know what I mean? And so their treason was part of the Netanyahu doctrine.

Exactly. So they're just off the hook for that. And then, and then somehow it's just like, oh, well that was humanitarian aid is how it's like, oh, Israel's guilty of allowing aid in. That was the guy was arguing with you and was saying, look, all this was about was, look, we got them under siege. So we got to at least, you know, like, like it says in the WikiLeaks, we got them on a diet. We want to keep them hungry, not starving. Right. So, which is like the sickest thing in the world. But then he's saying that's all this is, is we're keeping them just hungry, not starving, Dave, by letting them have some humanitarian aid in or whatever.

But what's funny about that is that's not any kind of refutation of the accusation. Because in all of the quotes, and most all of this stuff from israeli media in the first place where they talk about this that as the new york times quotes them putting it buying quiet that was always part of it the quote of netanyahu saying listen guys if you want to prevent a two-state solution we have to keep propping up haas because that keeps them good and divided and conquered so we can go on and do our thing. That ends with him saying, don't worry, we control the height of the flame. In other words, the point is we've tamed them. I figured out how to control these people with my carrots and sticks, and I'm giving them just

enough money to keep them compliant, to keep them under wraps. Well, at the same time, I can turn to the global community, such as it is the West, the Europeans, the Americans, and I guess in Tel Aviv, you know, big city liberals in Israel, and tell them, look, we have no partner for peace. It's such a wonderful slogan. It's very easy to memorize and repeat and you take one look at hamas really want us to negotiate with these guys and especially if you don't know that much about them you can just go well no they're absolute beasts who never could sit down and sign a deal worth the ink it's printed on or whatever like we're just supposed to take that as a given yeah well look even when in fact i mean it is it's not just a terrorist organization and it is and they kill innocent civilians and damn them for it but it is also a

domestic insurgency i mean these people aren't just fighting because they're muslims they're fighting because they're under total despotism, under total control and occupation by this foreign military power. People don't understand a lot of times they talk about Israel, Palestine. Sounds like they already have a country. Right. But Israel's on top of Palestine. These Palestinians are essentially living on an Indian reservation here. They already got whooped back in 67 and they've been under israeli control this whole time so you're saying you gotta do x until they stop resisting well x is not going to work especially if it's just x means bomb them yeah because they're going to keep resisting and of course the leader we've been

at this for almost 10 months now of them bombing these people or maybe it is 10 months now and the israeli generals now echo the american cia and the New York Times saying, this isn't going to work, by the way. This can not work. And at the end of the war, Hamas will still be there because Hamas is an idea. All it means is it's an acronym for whatever they originally called it, but it just means fighting age males who dare to fight you. And as long as you keep these people on your thumb, they're just going to keep fighting. It doesn't justify what they're doing, but it's especially when they're killing innocent people, but it certainly explains the reality of the situation. And, and certainly compared to the way that they portray it on TV

here, where you really might think the Palestine is the country next door and that they've invaded Israel and the Israelis are now only, you know, fighting them off. Yeah. And it's, uh, you know, look, I, to the initial point there about kind of like, um, which Netanyahu and many others have admitted, but we, here we go. Quote mining again, um, that part of the, the strategy of propping up Hamas was that you could turn to the world and And as Ehud Barak, and I think a couple others even admit also to liberal Israelis, you know what I mean to also, well, the, you know, this is the establishment pro-Israel talking point. I mean, this is what Dennis Prager said to me when we debated is he goes, listen, man, like, you know, I was crying when Bill Clinton and Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak rabin all shook hands and stuff and i was like yes we could have a two-state solution finally peace for like the jewish people in the region

like i you know he was like i was so on board with that and then this is what noam from the comedy seller told me the same thing that was like look there were all these people who were for a two state solution and then second intifada this changed it all you know and then it was like oh and then hamas started the second intifada well muhammad came up from hell and told them to right i guess it wasn't anything ariel sharon did threatening to destroy the al-aqsa mosque and take it over for the jews you know that wasn't a big deal or the peace process and that's on the heels of the peace process kind of crumbling right so it's like the hope goes out and then you have the Temple Mount. It was right in the middle of it.

No, it was in the fall of 2000. It was at the, I guess, just the very tail end of Camp David, but before Taba. Right, right. And of course, yeah. And was a deliberate provocation. Why would Ariel Sharon do such a thing? Because he's such a devout religious man. Yeah.

He's trying to start a war. But there is something kind of interesting, even in that admission, even from the Israeli or the pro-Israeli perspective, where they're kind of like, look, like I was all for a two state solution until these Hamas guys start being a bunch of fucking terrorists. And you're like, well, yes, exactly. So all you got to do is just take that and go, OK, But they're also telling you in their own words that they get that. They get that about you, that they get that. Like, yeah, see, here's one of the ways in which Hamas is an asset. It takes all these people who otherwise would be for a two state solution and

makes them go, no, well then I guess we just got to subjugate these people forever. Instead you're like, that does seem kind of convenient. That's brilliant. And look, so if people search, it's easy to find. It's by my guy, Connor Freeman and myself. It's called Netanyahu's support for Hamas backfired. And I've shared it several times. I just tweeted it the other day. But yeah, definitely worth reading.

And that's I mean, there's more since then. There's a New York Times story since then. There's a couple more things since then. But we have a huge compendium of quotes there of Likudniks talking about this policy. The whole reason for bolstering Hamas is part of the Netanyahu doctrine to keep the Palestinians divided and calm. But at the same time, making these phony Abraham Accord peace deals with the Sunni Arab states, which essentially just symbolized them finally selling out the Palestinians all the way down the river that they had always promised

will never fully normalize relations with Israel until they give justice to the Palestinians. And Jared Kushner, Donald Trump's son-in-law and White House advisor, Netanyahu's godson, said, well, what's your price? The American people can afford it. They're living under a bridge. They got no expenses. And so he gave our money to Qatar, Bahrain. No, pardon me. To Bahrain, UAE, Sudan, and Morocco to sign these accords.

And then Netanyahu famously, well well should be famously should be infamously gave that speech at the united nations at the end of september saying haha i won you lost i get it all and you get nothing you get no citizenship you get no independent state you get full subjugation on your reservation and no one's coming for you scumbag you were holding out hope that someone was coming for you no one's coming for you it scumbag. You were holding out hope that someone was coming for you. No one's coming for you. It was that that was Netanyahu's mission accomplished. That's exactly what it was.

It was the height and even has a visual aid like he always does. Instead of a cartoon bomb this time, it's a map of the new Middle East. Now, that was mocking Shimon Peretz, who said the new Middle East is we're going to deal with the palestinians so that we can make peace with peace with the sunni states now netanyahu's going i i made peace with the sunni states without doing business with the palestinians so haha screw you shimon perez's legacy this is the netanyahu doctrine uber alice i win well it is like it does it reminds me of the mission accomplished moment because you're almost almost like, you're like, dude, if you could freeze time right there, you could kind of make it look like you won. Like if you just don't play this tape forward at all, just leave it right there.

And you go, see my strategy worked, but then you're only like a couple weeks from like catastrophe, like the entire thing blowing up in your face. And, uh, Hey, wait, that reminds me of an important point too that people have to understand this and tv is never going to explain it in this way that like hamas got really lucky and the israeli government was absolutely derelict in their duty of keeping those people penned in their prison effectively okay but the point there being that that's why we call it october 7th because it was over by supper time and it didn't continue into the 8th and the 9th and the 10th it was a one day event and from that point on they could have simply laid siege to the place as they already have but like increased security there taking divisions away from confiscating land

from innocent Palestinians on the West Bank and put them back on guard duty. And then there's no ongoing threat from Hamas to the Israeli state or the Israeli civilian population whatsoever. I mean, they had these kibbutzes were right outside, you know, just, you know, a mile or two miles or whatever from Gaza and separated quite a bit from the rest of Israeli, you know just you know a mile or two miles or whatever from gaza and separated quite a

bit from the rest of uh israeli you know urban society further north from there and for a variety of reasons including netanyahu's fight over the supreme court which had caused a bunch of officers to resign and including making a political alliance with these right-wing kooks in order to keep him in the prime minister chair and therefore out of prison. He had to move a bunch of troops from Gaza guard duty to go and babysit the religious kooks as they're confiscating land, settlers confiscating land from Palestinians on the West Bank and all this. But so in other words, just like with the Branch Davidians, you can afford to wait not that the branch davidians ever killed anyone i'm not making that parallel but i'm saying you can afford to wait these people out

like there is no ongoing threat here they make it sound like this is some kind of existential fight for survival for israel the israelis are in no danger at all from Hamas if the IDF just shows up for work. You don't have to do this at all. They've killed tens of thousands of people. They've razed the entire place to the ground. If people don't know this, you can search the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal. All compare the devastation to Dresden and Hamburg in World War II to Tokyo. devastation to dresden and hamburg in world war ii to tokyo and of course netanyahu does too and says i've never heard of the geneva conventions that were created after world war ii

world war ii is the benchmark and if you guys can burn dresden and tokyo then i can burn gaza even though gaza is the warsaw ghetto not the third reich yeah really but still that's you know he's written himself a moral permission slip to kill every last one of those animals as he and his government called them and and just what they've done is so far beyond what even any psycho could pretend is necessary to defend the people of israel it's it's just like 30 years ago, they did pretend that the Branch Davidians were a threat to the people of Waco. They'd been there for 60 years or whatever, but they were going to march. And they said, I got quotes of this from my thing that I did last year on it. But they said, oh yeah, no, the Branch Davidians, they were going to march on downtown Waco. They were going to kill

everybody at the McDonald's and then they were going to seize the city council liars liars but that's what they do they pretend that they're protecting you but they're not protecting you and of course the israelis they're just fed pure military censored information in their media so who knows like how skewed their point of view on the thing. But just to reiterate how absolutely unnecessary this is, again, when the head of the Israeli military admits there's no such thing as a situation where they're going to hunt down the last Hamas guy and then Hamas has been eradicated, like in their stated goal, the impossible. And so instead, this is all just collateral damage on a mission that cannot be accomplished yeah and that the irony in some weird way here is that the the only genuinely existential threat to israel is continuing this like this is actually what's putting Israel in a real, like in actual jeopardy where you're

like, dude, you have turned, like you have for at least a generation greatly altered the perception of Israel. I mean, and, and look, and that does come with a lot of ugliness too. I mean, there has been, look, there's no question. Like I see it on social media and shit. There has been a rise of antisemitism and Jewism and jew hatred uh that's resulted from from all of this and look if you want to argue that that was always under the surface and that it kind of like was brought up by this it's like okay you could make that argument to some degree that's

true uh hard to quantify exactly to what degree it is but it's like such bullshit well listen right wingers who are actually anti-semitic don't give a crap about arabs and palestinians at all yes and it's not their issue they can talk all day long about jews but and they might say look at how horrible they are to the palestinians just to say how horrible they are but it is nothing like sticking up for the palestinians and as far as people on the left or libertarians or leftists who are sticking up for the Palestinians, man, they're not anti-Semitic. They're not any kind of racist. That's the worst thing in the world. It's a racist. Maybe against white, straight white people or something. Maybe. But honestly, like even then Jews in America and everywhere else still have the reputation of being an oppressed minority.

Like even if they're wealthy, there's still a small number of them and they're not allowed in some places. And the wasps are still mean to them. Well, they're they're also a minority and are considered one by other minorities. Generally speaking, what happens is people learn about what's happening in Israel, Palestine, and they go, oh, I'm actually not seeing a bunch of poor downtrodden Holocaust victims here. I'm seeing a bunch of vicious Holocaust perpetrators who I no longer have any sympathy for whatsoever has nothing to do with their religion other than that they invoke it to justify their sins. Well, I'm just I guess, look, the point I'm making is just that, like, I do see on social

media and you never know with this stuff. Like, I don't know. Half of it. People are trolling. There's teenagers on there. I don't know. But there are people who like, you know, would legitimately be classified as like Jew haters. But I'm just saying, even for those people, not who stick up for the Palestinians. So, you know what I mean? I'm not conflating like those groups, but I'm just saying if that is, if you want to argue that that's on the rise, well, then like the worst thing you could do is to conduct this war in the manner that you've

conducted it in over the last eight months in the most brutal way. I mean, come on, talk about like just giving them propaganda when it's totally unnecessary to do this. But look, I mean, I will say I have been there's OK, so. So roughly speaking, you have kind of like this, this interesting reemergence of an anti-war left over the last few months. And I do think that there's a ton of baggage that the left has inherited from the last, you know, decade plus that has been a weird fun house mirror version of left-wing ideology um and they have a lot of that baggage with them there's things that i've seen that have been like uh disturbing like the things on social media and things that have been said at some of these protests but like the bottom i thought

actually dave de camp had such a great tweet again the best tweets are always the really simple ones but it was uh he responded to go follow daveamp, by the way, if you don't already. He does a morning show for for anti-war. Yeah, he's our news editor. And he's and his his pieces are always just brilliant. But he wrote I think it was Barry Weiss. I want to say wrote something where she goes, you know, I just saw something like a copy of like the diary of anne frank like was like burned or something like i forgot what she was yeah statue whatever i can't remember the exact thing but she goes you know i

just saw this statue of anne frank blah blah blah and i you know it's amazing the symbol of anti-semitic hate that i just witnessed blah blah and dave dekamp just quotes tweets already goes oh i just saw a palestinian's child who had their skin blown off their face. It's just like, isn't that the perfect way to say it? It's like, oh, look, look, I'm willing to grant you that the thing you saw was kind of disturbing, you know? But like, could we talk about this first? And then we'll get to that one later. Because like, come on here.

Let's like, who's really the victimized group here? And so like, that pretty much to me says it all. These IDF guys said last week that they kill people out of boredom they kill innocent palestinians when they're bored they said that they said that quote mining again i guess you're guilty again of quote mining i know yeah whenever someone admits that i'm right about something and i cite that look at you remembering what they admit that's cheating dude you're not allowed to do that you're just allowed you're just allowed to uh i

don't know you know one of your comedian friends asked me the other night at the the mothership so why should i be a libertarian no waco who asked that i'm sorry i forgot his name the the kind of muscular black guy really like kind of funny guy dude you know oh yeah that's right yeah high spirited uh guy very happy guys oh i'm blanking on his dad fucking i know the guy he's robbie's guy which by the way i was able to hang an amateur night in the backyard with robbie i admit i'm not quite ready for the stage at the mothership yet but i was okay in the backyard but anyway he asked me he goes why should i be a libertarian like a waco dude they burn all those little kids and call it a suicide there's a hundred miles from where you live now yeah yeah like i gotta elaborate

like what else do you need to know? These people are your enemy. I was just reading this morning. Well, I said that to him. It's now two days ago. Whatever. This story is in the New York Times Magazine right now about a guy who they convicted and gave him 25 years in the pen for shaking his baby to death. But, man, he didn these cops wives on the jury. They just conspired to put this innocent guy in the pen because his baby died.

And they do this all the time. They do this to people all the time. You hear people, they go, man, they ought to take, you know, I don't know about deporting every single immigrant, but like every immigrant felon's got to be deported right now. Okay, but I know a lady who was convicted of burning a building down, but she didn't do it. They just convicted her of it because you know how it goes. The courts are a government program and they don't give a damn about the defendants coming in and out of there. It's like they're flipping burgers. Next, next. I got to do 30 of these today. next they don't care it's the thing that um that thomas soul uh he credited with

turning him so he was like a young marxist and then he got a government job and i think it was in like the labor department i can't remember exactly what he did but he was like oh just the experience working there like converted him away from it because he was like the, the, the undeniable truth that you come into contact with right away is like your theory, your dippy theory, however you feel about it. Nobody at the labor department is concerned, even kind of concerned with whether what they're doing is actually helping people or not. Like, that's just not the concern. The concern is like, you know, their institutional survival instincts and like, how can we grow our power, maintain our power? How can we do this? And you recognize the same thing. If you've, if you know anyone who's been touched by it,

or you've been touched by the justice system in America, they're like, it has very little to do with figuring out whether someone's guilty or not. It's about prosecutors who want to pad their, their records. It's about probation, paying fees and going to classes and how are you supposed to have a job when you have to go to your po at three o'clock on a tuesday afternoon and all these things everything about it it's just like the conversation we had with our new friend scott the other night who was a b1 bomber pilot in afghanistan and talking about no one asks about whether they're succeeding at any thing that they're like i'm trying to use the broadest language i can are they succeeding at anything that they're trying to accomplish are they actually trying to accomplish anything other than put that bomb on that target and no one one even knows why. No one even knows what

the end is that this means is supposed to be justified by. It's simply a matter of the previous captain in charge. He only dropped X thousand bombs over his four month tour. I got to beat that. Right. Get out there and drop more bombs. it's actually that insane all right listen we're we're up against time here so we got to wrap but dude this was great always great uh having you on and i just i can't tell people enough when the book comes out i'm really excited for everyone to see it it's just it's a masterpiece you know what you should do you should tell them really quick how much you like the last book enough already dave dude is that pretty good listen enough already is look are you saying it's for sale now? Yes, that's right. Okay. Let's, let's promote the one that is for sale. But listen, man,

if you haven't, if, and I say this everywhere I go, if you, the, it's the book, if you want to read a book and understand the history of the terror wars from Jimmy Carter up through Donald Trump, you got to go read enough already. It's freaking incredible. And of course, as we mentioned up top, this is the, the libertarian Institute summer fund, uh, razor. If you can help at all with that in this world of libertarianism, there's no better cause that, uh, that I could vouch for than the libertarian Institute, all the great guys, uh, over there. Thanks buddy. Absolutely. Thank you, man. Oh, wait. And also I host a podcast. I've done 6,000 interviews and you can listen to them all at scotthorton.org and at youtube.com also I host a podcast. I've done 6,000 interviews and you can listen to them all

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