Part Of The Problem - Thoughts on Charlie Kirk

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

Dave Smith brings you the latest in politics! On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave discusses the death of Charlie Kirk, his thoughts, and more.Part Of The Problem is available for early pre-release at https://partoftheproblem.com as well as an exclusive episode on Thursday!PORCH TOUR DATES HERE:https://www.eventbrite.com/cc/porch-tour-2025-4222673Find Run Your Mouth here:YouTube - http://youtube.com/@RunYourMouthiTunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/run-your-mouth-podcast/id1211469807Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4ka50RAKTxFTxbtyPP8AHmFollow the show on social media:X:http://x.com/ComicDaveSmithhttp://x.com/RobbieTheFireInstagram:http://instagram.com/theproblemdavesmithhttp://instagram.com/robbiethefire#libertarianSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hey, what's up? What's up, guys? Thanks for watching. I appreciate it. This has been a wild, wild day. And, you know, I guess almost 24 hours, a little less than 24 hours now. some of you guys may have noticed so we we recorded an episode yesterday and um you know like the way

we typically do it as we record we go live to the website part of the problem dot com and then the episode comes out um that that night like on youtube and across all over other platforms and i just texted natalie yesterday after this all went down just to not post the episode it seemed too like crazy and kind of wrong to post an episode that wasn't addressing what a what a it just happened, which is really quite something. I'm, I just, I, you know, forgive me on this one. I don't, I don't know how long this episode's going to be. I'm just going to kind of talk and give my thoughts on this. I'm not really sure how much time that'll end up taking up, but I'll just kind of say what I have to say. I'm going to try my best to kind of give my thoughts

on what is an enormous event like culturally and politically, but it's, I, you know, I kind of just admit off the top here that I'm really rattled by this. I mean, really, this really fucked me up. And, you know, I was literally just tweeting that I'm going to go do an episode now and it'll be out soon. just wrote, you know, I'll be giving my thoughts on the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And even writing it was just a, you know, I don't know, it's so it's weird because that does not feel real, man. Like none of this feels real to me. It's just really, it's hard to describe. And of course, it's, you know, it's a bit of a, it's a bit of a challenge to like try to

analyze something and break it down and give your thoughts on it while when you're personally kind of rattled by the whole situation so but i'll try and you know maybe i would start by saying this because i bet you know it's it's like i'm talking about my perspective on it but i bet this is the truth for a lot of people listening you know i get um all the time i get uh people who like when i meet people like after comedy shows or just out like in life and i'll you know meet people who are uh who are fans of the show and one of the things that i hear hear people say all the time. It's a funny thing. And I mean, I get this so much. But people will come up to me and they'll be like, this is kind of weird because like I feel like I know you. You know,

and that's you, you know, so like what I always say to them when they say that is like, well, yeah, you do. You know, people ask me all the time. Another question I get all the time is people will just say like, what's Joe Rogan really like? Or what's Tucker Carl. really like I always say to them you already know you already know who they are so it's like when people come up and go oh I feel like I know you I often tell them that I know exactly how you feel because like I've met people whose shows I listen to for many years and I felt like I knew them and in many cases then I got to actually know them and I realized I did know them I did know them the whole time because you get to know somebody

especially when people aren't being duplicitous like you get to know somebody if you listen to them for hours and hours and hours and so you know like somebody who's listened to like you know a thousand episodes of this show does know me at least pretty well you know um as anyway i say all of that to say that like you know i'm kind of affected by this because like i know charlie um i knew charlie i was just with him that's a really fucking weird feeling it's a weird thing to see someone you just know get you know just like murdered in cold blood like that and but anyway I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I think for a lot of you it's kind of the same feeling like it is someone you know um anyway it's uh for you know I was on the last episode I was talking

about how um how jarring and um that the video of the Charlotte stabbing was and how much I was affected by it and I really meant that and I did not realize I was going to get off that show and be even you know substantially more jarred by another disturbing video but I don't know I mean of course it's partially because you know I was just with the guy like not that long ago we were just hanging out and you know it's someone you know it's also someone who does you know he doesn't do exactly the same thing as me but like it's not that far off and so you know obviously like there's just a lot that's really jarring about that um Um, but anyway, you know, I think that's, I guess my point was just that I think that's the case for, for a lot, a lot of people. And, you know, I didn't, I'm not like, I was not like very close with Charlie Kirk. We weren't like close friends or anything like that. I would have, I, I would have called him a friend. Um, we, you know, like we texted back and forth. He texted me a bunch of times just to say nice shit to me over the last couple years. Um, and then I did his like, uh, show. Um, and then I did his like, uh, show.

his radio show or podcast or whatever like i did that i think a couple times and then of course he had me at his you know he hosted me at this big event that he just had recently and and moderated a debate that i did and you know i mean like um like in all of our interactions all of our interactions charlie was always just the nicest guy he's just a really sweet guy um and he just uh it always just came off as very genuine to me. I think that like I think Charlie was the type of guy who like if you were like an intern at turning points or if you were like some kid who attended a turning point event who caught Charlie Kirk outside for a few minutes, you just get that like everyone would have had the story that like, oh, he was just the nicest guy in the world to me. It was like whatever

anything helps, you know, which is a funny thing because like that actually means so much more to me than what someone's politics are you know like I've like kindness and manners means so much more to me than politics you know let like um I've had like a I don't know like say like just like an example you know like there are some people who are really shitty to like servers like they're shitty to like waitresses and waiters and stuff like that they'll be shitty to people who are like serving on them like that is so much more important than what your politics are like if you're like if you agree with me on everything but you're like a dickhead to like some fucking 22 year old who's like bringing you food i i prefer a communist who's kind to that person anyway um so charlie was

just in my experience just a really really nice guy and i know that he's um you know he leaves behind a wife and two little kids and um this just like goddamn heart wrenching man it's really really just horrible you know i got I got a wife and two little kids myself, and that just absolutely, like, crushes my soul that, uh, that they have to, you know, they have to have their family destroyed, you know, and, um, anyway, it was, uh, you know, I think, I don't know what else you can say about it. It's I, you know, man, I really, but, um, between just like, I mean, that it was, like I had a, when I saw, when I saw, the video i mean you know i first um you know my that's the whole thing i hesitate to even say this out loud because this is so out of character for me god i would just never say something like this but it is true and god damn it i am fucking obligated to tell you people the truth but the okay so this is just true this is really what happened um i was on the phone with my wife and she goes hold on i got a call

coming on the other line she was in the car i was at home And I'm never like this. I'm so not this person. But I just got this feeling that she was getting terrible news on that phone, on the other end of the phone call. Like I just got like a womanly premonition that something bad was happening. I was shaken by. So I'm sitting there waiting on Holtke getting a little nervous.

And then she comes back on the other line. And I go, hey, who was that? And it was like nothing. She was like, what? Home Depot called me about like something. Like it was nothing. And then I was like, oh, that was stupid. and so anyway we got off the phone and she calls me right back and she goes uh she goes

why is everyone saying pray for charlie kirk and i go what and i open my twitter and the first thing my algorithm showed me was kandis owen saying stop everything you're doing right now and pray for charlie kirk and then i you know then i saw that he had gotten shot then i saw the the like zoomed out video of all of it and then i at some point saw you know the the video where they had zoomed in and you could just see the blood gushing out of it and you could just see the blood gushing out of it his neck and man i mean it's just like who the zoomed-in one is the one that just like really really affected me um and then i don't know between that and then having seen this poor girl get stabbed to death on the subway the day before i'm added in with two plus years of all the videos of gaza like

i don't know i think i might just a little fried from just seeing soul crush and awful things i got uh cleanse a little bit and not trying to not watch some of that stuff for a little while because it is it is not good for your soul and um at a certain point i think i'm pretty good at dealing with it in general but yeah um so anyway you know it's uh you know it's just terrible man it's just terrible on a human level and i think a lot of people are feeling that uh especially because charlie was you know a phenomenon here's a guy with who's you know like 12 years younger than me and was like fucking had millions and millions of followers and had really made like such an impact on the culture

and obviously you know he's just touched a lot of people a lot of people really loved him and it's horrible to see something like that happen just you know so I mean I guess that's the primary thought that I have is just the personal of it and and how terrible it is it's a weird feeling you know like to of just, you know, just, I don't know, was just hanging out with him pretty recently. And it's, uh, it's, you know, death has this, this, you know, it's like this weird thing where

it's very hard. It's hard to like grapple with the permanence of death. I think that, you know, like it's, it's hard for us to grapple with the concept that someone's here and then they're just gone. And so it ends up feeling like kind of surreal. Like, and you're like, wait a minute that can't be that can't be right um anyway uh but it is real and you know that i guess anyway that those are kind of my feelings what i'm going through but there's no question i mean this is a a massive massive event culturally and you know what this means like what what comes out of this is you know i believe something that's not predetermined you know it's it's kind of all of us getting to choose in some way so i kind of want to talk about that a

little bit but you know there's something weird like Donald trump obviously he got shot last year um but there's something i guess there's there's two factors that really make it a lot different and you know the obvious one but in addition to the obvious one you know there also is there there is just something a little bit different when it's a presidential candidate or a former president running to be president once again like i'm not saying it's okay to assassinate presidents but like there is something where like that is that is in the realm of possibilities of like already in your preimagined universe like the presidents get assassinated sometimes now okay it's we haven't lived through a president getting assassinated but like we know it's happened

in the past and of course around the world political leaders have been assassinated like that is a thing that happens and you kind of but just like it just happened into a guy and of course charlie kirk's like an influential guy but still he's not the elected president or something like that that and particularly with what he does is different and then of course like the you know the obvious one is that you know when you know that bullet goes off and it nicks your ear, it still kind of feels like a video game, but man, when that thing nicks your jugular, it feels like real fucking life real quick, you know, and you're like, you kind of realize the gravity of it. But there is, like, I guess you just can't get away

from like the symbol of the whole thing, right? Like on its very face, here's Charlie Kirk is doing this, you know, like he's doing what he always does. I assume I haven't seen video from the thing, but he's doing the like, change my mind. I guess that was Stephen Crowder's thing, but essentially the same thing, right? I will sit here and at this institution of higher learning, we will have an exchange of ideas and achieve the truth through debate.

And if you disagree with me, you come up here and challenge me and then I'll respond to you. And it's like this exercise in free speech and then getting sniped out like that. Like what just powerful and like profoundly, disturbing little snapshot of where you're at as a society. And, you know, it's pretty black and goddamn white, you know, to see some of the people who are like equivocating between the thing. It's like, no, that's pretty damn black and white, actually. Actually, the person who's

going, let's have a battle of ideas. And I will answer all challenging questions is the good guy and the person who murders the husband and father in cold blood for the crime of discussing ideas is the bad piece of shit who needs to be fucking taken care of. And like, God damn it, if you don't have that level of moral clarity, then what the hell else are we ever talking about? So there's that. And, you know, it's kind of a, it's amazing. It's like the most simple of tests, like the most basic,

simple of tests, you know, like, it's like if you were like, if you were with somebody and you were considering, you know, settling down and starting a family, you, you might, you know, you're like, I think we're going to do. We're going to get married and we're going to have some kids. And then like the test was, I don't know, like, do we both agree that we should not violently abuse our kids? You know, you'd be like, this is like the most basic test. Like, like you should you cannot even entertain any more about this conversation unless we're both on the same page about this very simple aspect and it's like when something like this happens the test is really simple like is your reaction just like oh my god this is horrible and we can't have this

in our society or do you have anything at all else to say anything and i don't care that includes just going like now while i don't agree with charlie kirk on his issues you know like i don't care. There should be no qualifier. No qualifier whatsoever. God damn psychotic barbarians. Like who the fuck thinks this is okay? And who and then and then to get into like, well, he wasn't for gun control or he wasn't for this. It's like, okay, we're not having a political conversation right now. We're having a spiritual conversation and you're possessed by the devil. You are evil. This is not a political debate anymore. Anyway, um, You know, I'm not on this podcast and perhaps, you know, almost certainly down the road

will start talking about theories about what the hell could have happened here. You know, there's just way too little information right now and there's way more information that's going to come out one way or the other. And I'm just like, what the hell is the point in trying to put the pieces together right now? You know, obviously we know what we know and we don't know a whole lot of other stuff. I will get into this in a way because essentially just what I want to what I want to just talk about today is just like the one what I just said like kind of just give you my thoughts which are just really like that this is the you know this was really um that this is just gutting and uh that you know

I give my deepest condolences to his family of course but then I just talk about the moment that this is and then kind of just say like look there are there are some groups of people who are reacting in these ways and here's how I feel about all of that. But it's not for me to give like my theory of what happened. I mean, what really do we know at this point? And the FBI just said there's a person on their wanted list. There's been reports that there was like some types trans ideology stuff left on the weapon. They did. The feds did recover what they believe is the murder weapon. But aside from that, we basically know that he was sniped. The guy was able to escape all of that. I mean, that's that's it basically at this point. There's really just not that much.

When we will get more information as this develops. But so I would say that, okay, well, here, let's go. Maybe I'll just do this first, okay? So, you know, being in the position I'm in right now, this very weird position where like I knew the guy who this just happened to, you know, there's all types of people speculating over what's going on. I mean, half my Twitter feed seems to think that it's because of me. It's because he, not that it's my fault, but that it's because he platformed me at his last event and defended them.

And that's why Israel took them out or something like that. But not really, not really on board with that theory. It doesn't seem to be very likely to me. But I'll say this. When you see that video of Charlie, you know, and you see how real this shit gets, the thing that we should come together on and the thing that we do still have somewhat of a choice in here is that like, we do not want to go down this path. This is a very, very dark path.

And there's a real danger of escalation after this shit here, man. You can't just do this and think that like, you know, the other side is incapable of responding in kind and like this is a really dangerous path but like i would just say like is as to the extent that i have any influence over people like my only message after something like this is like calm down everybody take a breath and don't do anything stupid and don't do something stupid and senseless and violence in response to this that only is going to lead to more that's only going to make the situation much, much worse. I hope, you know, that that's kind of like the message that most people have.

You know, I already see some of these, you know, some of the kind of right-wing accounts, like kind of, you know, just people doing stuff, which I understand, believe me, I understand. Like, let me, I'll try my best to make this clear, but like I get the temptation. You know, I saw people like sharing the Andrew Breitbart video, that badass video where he's like, war. And, you know, then the music kicks in and stuff. And it's like, all right, I get the temptation. But like, let's think about that.

Because I don't think that's the message that we want to send out to people right now. Like, obviously, we want justice for whoever did this. We want to figure out what the hell happened here. We want all the answers. But like, nothing's going to bring Charlie Kirk back or fix, you know, his destroyed family right now. So, like, that's not actually the route that you want to go. And, you know, I remember. And I kind of feel this way.

I mean, I'm not saying I feel the exact same way in these situations. I'm saying I feel right now like there's this, there's a temptation to sink into what I believe really is kind of like a dark force. So anyway, so I remember literally the hardest thing I've ever been through in my life by far was a, was. my son some of you know who are listening to this who's doing quite he's doing great right now but my son had a congenital heart defect and he had to have open heart surgery when he was three days old and um you know it's just an enormously difficult situation you know one that uh i would not wish on my worst enemy and i mean that um i've never met anybody who i would i would wish that on it's uh you know like you know i don't know there's people out there have lost kids man and i've never lost a kid

i can't imagine what that's like but i do know i do know what it's like to mentally prepare yourself for the possibility of that it is horrible dude like oh my god it's just like you can't even describe the feeling like it feels like the like if like if like burning garbage was like the smell of that was a feeling it's like it's just like this intense like horrible feeling and um so i remember so like there was this period where like we found out when my wife was pregnant that he had this heart condition and that we were going to need this surgery and what the risks were and were all of this it was like this extended period of time you know it was it was months and months and months of preparing for this and then going through it and then nursing

them back to help it's like this whole long thing and like i remember when when i was in it i remember feeling like it like this temptation to fall into like destructive feelings like like and the feeling very clearly was like feeling sorry for yourself like it's like just being mad at the world like how unfair this is being furious at god being like what you know like how you know like how you know there's just like and it's not like when i say that it's like tempting to it's so tempting like a freaking like a cartoon where the pie smoke like starts you know gets in the the dog's nose and carries him oh like it's the most tempting feeling ever it's it's like a drug that you're addicted to like you just you want it so much because there's something like there's something rewarding

in a weird way it makes you feel better like briefly in some moment to be like you know fuck you God and fuck you world and how can you do this to me and this is so unfair and like I have to suffer through this like that this very human temptation to like want to feel bad for yourself well like nothing is first off when you got a real sick little baby who's like never done anything wrong and needs to go through this whole thing and um in his start to life and um you know it's just first it's really really easy to fall into that you feel really really bad and it really, really is unfair. So it's just very, like, it would be like if you, it's as easy as like, if you didn't sleep

for five nights in a row, you got absolutely no sleep. And then you laid down on the most comfortable bed ever. It's how easy it would be to fall asleep is like how easy it is to fall. But then like on some other level, you just also know that that is the devil. you know like that it is like i'm not saying literally like maybe just a metaphor but kind of literally also that this is like a dark force that is a trap like nothing good comes from that you know that like you fall into that and great now what i'm fucking in a mountain of self pity and feeling bad for myself and how the fuck does that help my wife who still got to go through this whole thing how does

that help my two and a half year old daughter i had at the time who still needs her mom and dad Like, that doesn't help anyone if I do that. But if I fight that, if I fight that and I just stay awake, even though I'm exhausted and in the most comfortable bed ever, but I stay awake and I just go, no, I instead of me feeling bad for myself, I go, this is going to be fine. And I take on the burden of other people, then like, maybe that can be positive. Like, maybe something better could come of that. And, you know, in this case, like, you know, I'm grateful to God every day.

But in this case, it did work out and everything was okay. Anyway, I say all of that to just say that I think there's like, there's a similar type of thing when something like this happens. There's like this temptation to get angry. And man, is it fucking easy to get angry? Is it easy to get angry? I mean, you look at like, you know, all you got to do, because like, anyway, just like to complete the thought here is like from the beginning to now, it's like, I'm saying like, you did know Charlie Kirk too. To many of you guys who loved him, like, that is somebody who you loved and who you knew and who you just wanted. watched like publicly executed in cold blood when he never did anything you know like with

being guilty of no crime and and then like you see a video of like some left winger celebrating it as I'm sure so many of you have seen and it is so easy to like fall into that darkness man and then fine I understand why some people do because it's so easy to it's so easy to go like you know they kill someone you love and then they're sitting there celebrating it like what motherfucker i mean what's the right response to that and it's very easy when you start going down that path to start coming up with what you think the right response to that is but again it's just like with the other stuff but there's nothing but destruction behind that path like no matter how tempting it may be or no matter how good it might feel we all know on some level

then the darkness wins nothing good can come from that and you know i mean not that any of them are fucking ever listening to me but you know if the you know like if i had a message to like those you know like the left wingers on uh on ticot or whatever um who are like celebrating charlie kirk's death i guess like i guess my message would be like twofold so like number one the first thing i would say to all those people is that you know i've seen like you know a bunch of these because people have been posting them and you know i understand where they are but i also would like kind of caution people with big audiences for posting that shit like you're working up anger and that really may not be the best thing i don't think that's what charlie would have wanted either by the

way he was real against all that shit he always wanted like things to calm down and not escalate to like violence um but anyway the theme for all these videos that i've seen so far you know more or less like very loosely speaking the theme is either like uh you know a bunch of left wingers uh reacting to charlie kirk and they're they're either saying like you know i'm not i'm not sad or i'm quite happy you know like that's basically what they're saying they're i'm not sad that charlie kirk died or i'm quite happy that charlie kirk died and then you know in some other in their own you know unique way but uh like if the message is like you guys you left wingers, the left wingers who are crazy enough to, um, to jump on TikTok and make a video about

how you're not sad or, or you're happy. Um, my response would just be like, uh, that's not true, you know, you, uh, none of you are happy. You're all incredibly sad. You're all incredibly sad. Those are your real feelings. You are not a happy person. You're actually an incredibly sad person. Um, in fact, you're a, you're fucking so, goddamn sad and fucked up that you can't even you can't even exist in this world with your emotions you got to be fucking medicated to even get day to day through your miserable life so like you know obviously you're a genuinely you know just disgusting horrible person if you if you make a video like that celebrating things but just i guess my you know i'm trying not to fall into that kind of anger myself

so the uh you know my message would be that you're wrong on both counts you are sad and you're not happy um then there's the left then there's like the liberals um in the media who wow it is really i mean it is just unbelievable that because you know the now i'm talking i'm not talking lefties anymore i'm talking you know liberals neol liberals you know in the in the corporate media and it's like they are they are it's unbelievable it's some kind of like whatever their cultist religion is of like neoliberal woke corporate progressivism it's like they are they're incapable of passing the test that i laid out before like they cannot just go this was horrible what a senseless act of violence you know they can't do that they have to every time go the the provocative charlie

Kirk who uh you know whatever had some wild views about all these things and offended the trans community like they have to find a way to try to blame him and it really is you know obviously it's it's despicable at the same time you know it's just one more piece of evidence of why those people have completely lost all of their influence and why all of you guys on morning joe and cbs and CNN and all these goddamn networks. You are all, you are nothing but the butt of all the rest of our jokes at this point. You don't even kind of move the needle.

Little fucking podcasts, a third of the size of mine, move the needle more than any of your goddamn fucking networks do at this point. Like, screw you guys. And you guys tried to be like the ones who morally lectured the rest of us, but you can't even bring yourself to not attempt to politicize like a horrible death of a husband and five.

they're like okay that's why the whole thing is flipped and i don't ever want to hear anything about how you judge all we we judge all of you and morally condemn you to hell uh so like fuck off and this is why you're not you know i should go back that's my message basically to the corporate media i should go back there was one more message i had for the lefties the lefties who are making the ticot videos and i understand they're like look these are all like you know they're they're all low IQ, mentally unstable, fucking, you know, disgusting people. But I would just say the message of these, it's like, you know, you sit there, first of all, I guess to all of them, to the corporate media and to the lefties, all of them.

First of all, you fucking adults who don't know anything about anything and have never read a book about anything and don't fucking pay attention to any of the goddamn trends. And I mean this about the people on TV, too. They don't fucking know shit. None of them. It's shocking, dude. I'm a goddamn dummy comedian. And I fucking run circles around the fucking professional people on news because I've read

books about stuff. That's my big secret weapon, by the way. That's how I'm able to fuck all these guys up. I've read a couple books about things and I know what I'm talking about and fucking none of them have. So it gives me a huge advantage. But to all of you, goddamn retards, Charlie Kirk was the moderate. He was the fucking reasonable guy in the room, you dummy.

He wasn't a far-right activist. Are you kidding me? I have any idea what's out there? You think that was like the radical position? Charlie Kirk was the most moderate human being. He was a plum-line Republican. A plum-line Republican, as everybody who knows anything about anything knows, is one centimeter to the right of a plum-line Democrat.

He was right just in the middle. He just supported Israel, like the Democrats. and Republicans do. He was more, you know, like a little bit more on the side of restrictive immigration policy. You know, that was his big radical policy was he was with 80% of the American people on immigration. It's not so you sit there and what do you think? You think this is a victory? Like for you, you think, oh, you took out a, you, let me think this through here with all of my wisdom. I want to win a culture war. So what I did, was I violently murdered the most high-profile moderate voice on the other side.

Hey, geniuses, you know, summon all your wisdom together and tell me, do you think that is likely to calm things down or might that lead to more radicalization? And what the fuck, these dumbass fucking lefties celebrating? Like, what exactly are you trying to start here, you fucking pussies? Like, Jesus Christ, man. I mean, go live your fucking weird lives and with your fucking pink hair and your 70 genders or whatever, but don't sit here and pretend you're ready for a fucking fight. Like, what are you doing?

Do you know, do you know, it's like such a weird dynamic they have here, right? Where like, broadly speaking in the country, there's like this culture war, right? And like the left wingers are almost always the ones who are out on the streets. You know, they're the ones protesting. I mean, yeah, you could point to January 6th, but it's like the one. exception. It's the exception that proves the rule. But who is out in the Ferguson

Missouri protests and riots or the Trayvon Martin protests and riots or the George Floyd protests and riots or there's the Pussy March or there's the immigration march or there's the campus activism over the last 15 years? The leftists take to the street. They're the first ones to go, we're

going to go out here and do a thing. It's much harder to get the right wingers out on the streets because they have families and jobs and church to go to. But the right wing is so much tougher. So much tougher. Like if this ever came down to a fight, the fight is right wingers mowing down gender studies majors. Like what are we fucking talking about here? You ever see one of those videos where like Antifa would actually get into a fight and then you'd realize that like it's actually really funny. I mean like it was kind of job. And a little weird, but like, there'd be all these videos where there'd be like, you know,

the black block guys, like, like seven kids in hoodies with like one of them's got a pipe. And, you know, they got the masks on. So you're almost like, oh, these are like kind of tough looking guys. And then one of them swings like the girliest swing of a pipe and completely misses. And then a man punches him in the face. And you hear the guy go, hey. And you're like, oh, oh, you're not tough. you're just like role playing as to like what do you guys think but you're trying to provoke this other

side who will annihilate you and there are real deal militias in this country there are a real deal gun enthusiasts in this country you do not want to pop shit off with them of course we also have a giant police force and a giant military which we all know is made up of left wingers right it's all it's all made up of trans activists in in those organizations like what are you guys thinking man everybody needs to calm down everybody needs to chill out you know like hopefully this like horrible moment can be something that like pulls you know pulls people back a little bit you know like um you know just like you go like wow this is fucking horrible we don't want to go down this path like let's move to something better man this is like it's fundamentally again

like I said you have a guy like doing free speech stuff for free speech reasons in the free speech locations who gets shot assassinated for doing that for the crime of doing that this isn't just like you know there's something really profound here this is I hate using terms like this I'm not a collectivist. I'm an individualist. But this is like national soul type shit. Like what you're telling me, like the foundational principle of the nation is free speech.

He's exercising free speech and gets murdered for it. You know, maybe that could be a moment, like where everybody goes, whoa, hold on, no. That's not who we are. I mean, we get to determine who we are. it was like let's let's decide that it's not that and and that if there is to be even like the kind of just retribution let that be like okay let's find out who's responsible for this let's make sure that person is held accountable if there's a conspiracy or something like that let's

get to the bottom of it but let's not you know given to the the evil spirits man like i'm not saying i'm not even saying you shouldn't hate those people i'm not saying you shouldn't hate anyone in the corporate media or the leftist making those videos. I'm not, that's not my message. I'm saying like, it's probably appropriate to hate them. I'm just like really pleading with you to not fall into like an all-consuming hatred, like to not fall into like that dark force that in some way I think we all know is kind of always there with us in life. You know, it's like you can, you can conceive of these things as you know and like through metaphors or through scripture or through a lot of or you know just the cartoon like there's the angel and the devil on your shoulder right like why is

that a running fit that's the way human beings think of things because that kind of is the human condition in a lot of ways however you you could get there from a secular atheist point of view or a religious point of view but there's like the high and the low the dark and the light and there is like there's all I'm saying is just try to stay away from that bad force and I should say you know one more thing that I just uh because I you know of whatever I don't even want to like get into the politics of any of it but I did see um you know Ian Carroll and I'm not trying to like personally blast him or anything like that I'm not starting any feuds or nothing like that um you know I've said nice things about Ian in the past I know he said nice things about me

but I see him out there and like and I've seen a bunch of other people doing this but it's just like if you want to go look through it I mean it's just crazy but like he just he had this post about how Israel did this Israel just murdered Charlie Kirk and you know me I'm I don't know I'm biggest fan of Israel but I literally just replied and I went what evidence do we have that Israel was involved with us at all and I mean man if you want to be disturbed like go look through the replies to that it is unbelievable how people put together theory you know they're like what evidence you have by the way the answer is none we have absolutely no evidence there is absolutely no reason to even suspect that is the case let alone to determine that it's a fact and all the things people are posing it's just like guys jesus christ man i'm sorry i just don't go for sloppy kooky theories like if you got some evidence bring it to me and i'll be the first one to look into it but like he was waking up to israel like dude he said release the epstein files and he you know he once on an interview said like you know the pro-israel people are getting a little too

crazy when they're accusing even me of being anti-Israel but that's about it and and like you know to his credit he defended like having me at the thing and having Tucker and meg in there and stuff but like you've just got no real theory here and it just makes no sense at all like they telling me the government of israel took out their number one guy who still had influence amongst young people, I just, I don't know, I don't know. It just doesn't make any sense to me at all. And I don't think it's like, I don't think it's like, I don't know. I think honestly, in a way, I think a lot of those guys might have fallen into their own

dark force where they're just so wrapped up in blaming Israel and blame for everything that you try to, you start to see. it or you you kind of desire that conclusion before you've even reached it um but i think like anyone like let's just fucking breathe on this for a little bit let's get a like i'm not i again as i say all the time i'm not against a conspiracy theory i love a good conspiracy theory lots of them are true but like you got to like have a case to make you got to have evidence a coherent narrative a through line different, you know, things that back up your asserts can't just be this like, you know, just, I don't know, we'll just say that.

We'll say it was them. Who cares? Like, I hate that shit. I, you know, I should say, and I'll probably wrap up here in a sec, because I think I pretty much said what I wanted to. I will say, you know, there don't, one of the things that's, one of the reasons say, well, you don't want to fall into those dark forces that i was talking about like while you don't want to fall into this like all-encompassing hate um or rage or whatever despair any of like the bad things

that you don't want to fall into um is because it becomes blinding you know as the same same thing i'm saying almost there like you could really really hate the government of israel like you could you could even hate israel you could even hate jewish people or whatever and like if you if you still are with getting things right, getting to the truth of things, then you don't want to fall into the thing where you're always immediately blaming them first because, like, obviously, there are other factors in the world, too. There are other forces, you know?

And if you're falling into that, right, you could see where the problem is that you're missing what really happened. You're going with the conclusion you want, and so you're not seeing the truth. And that's kind of the problem with all these things. It's the problem with, like, all-encompassing hatred, too. Because it's real easy to, like, fall into... you know, fall into, you know, like, oh my God, you look at some of these left wingers on TikTok

celebrating Charlie Kirk died fucking war. I'm angry. I'm this. But then you kind of miss the fact that like, hey, look at all these other guys who are actually saying the right thing. And I saw there was this one video that had, you know, I must have lost it in the timeline. But it was like a left wing looking type person who was a TikTok video that was going super viral.

I had like millions and millions of views on it. And they were going like, yeah, what's. wrong with all you guys like a human being just got killed he's got a family like i don't know you disagree with his ideas like he was there to debate the ideas what's wrong and there were a ton of people agreeing with him too so like you know just like keep that in mind too there's also the beauty in the world and there's also people kind of doing the right things and um you know you don't want to you don't want to miss that because that's kind of you know that's our that's the hope for that's what makes life worth living that's the thing that is like gives us possibilities of a of a better outcome

um and and i will say that there are you know if i'm giving shit to people who kind of didn't pass that test and i say like the the basic my basic test is just like and i think this is not that unreasonable i think it's like a very it's a pretty low bar to be able to to get over and i think the test is just that like when something like this happens you're appropriately horrified you just go that is awful this is inexcusable i feel horrible for the family and all that you don't start like um hate mongering and getting everybody worked up and furious about the other side it's a thing that people do online it's great for fucking clicks and it's great for you know what i mean like and it's and it feels good in in a way too i'm sure a lot of people genuinely believe it it's easy

to genuinely believe it in a moment like this but like you don't do that you don't start jumping to wild theories and stating them as if they're fact when you know you can't even you can't even build a coherent theory yet alone know this for a fact you don't start doing that and you don't start like you know equivocating about who was really wrong or who was and it's like just be that just like it's the most basic of tests and i do have to say man that um you know, I was really, I was really, I was really pleasantly, no, I wouldn't say surprised, but I was very happy to see that, like, Nick Fuentes really passed that test with flying colors. I just saw on Twitter that he, like, you know, he just basically said the exact right thing,

and then he canceled his show last night and was like, I'm just not going to do that in light of these events. And I don't know, I just thought, like, that's, it's weird, of course, in this world we live in. it's like Nick Fuentes is the one in this moment who like actually has the appropriate kind of adult reaction that's where that's that's where we're at in the up I don't mean that as a shot at Nick this is purely a compliment to him I'm just kind of making fun of the way he's caricatured verse the reality of it but um you know and and I'm just

particularly giving him credit just because you know again like the way he's caricatured versus like how actually so many of these supposed grownups in the room are acting but there were a lot a lot of people who I thought really did that and I do really appreciate that I think like in these moments like for whatever the fuck we're doing living in this world with people who follow us on watch our shows and follow our social media accounts for the people who have like somewhat of a following you know it's just like if we're not doing anything else it's like it's a it's a kind of like easy line for me to see like who are the good guys

and the bad guys kind of based on how they handle things like this all right i'm going to wrap up there i mean i don't know you know what else to say it's clearly just like you know a truly a truly horrifying event that i really can't think of a parallel to this in my life like you know and there were things where like congressman congresswoman were shot at or got shot like not quite the same not quite the same as someone being cold-blooded executed this way and you know obviously all the the other personal stuff so i you know i'm going to uh continue as i'm sure a lot of people are to continue kind of processing this and um you know and i'm sure i'm sure i'll have more to say about it to you guys anyway i'll always kind of tell you guys you know give you my honest

opinions and try to tell you the truth as i see it uh that's you know i i'm being completely honest today, I kind of did, I did not feel like doing this. I did not want to have this episode. I just knew I'm very upset about it. I knew there was a good chance. I might get emotional during it. I did. Hold it together a little bit, but I did.

But I just didn't feel like doing this. I'm the kind of guy in this situation. I actually don't like to talk about it, despite how much I like to talk in general in life. Subjects like this, I don't. But I just kind of had this feeling, like, I don't know, I have to. That's my obligation to you. I got to come here and tell you how I feel. This is what this is the deal. And I don't know. I actually, I kind of feel, you know, like this was somewhat

helpful for me to just kind of get some of this off my chest to you. So thanks for listening and talk again soon. Peace. You know,