Part Of The Problem - Trump is Getting Pathetic

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

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what's up what's up everybody welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem i'm dave smith he's robby the fire bernstein how you feeling today rob i'm doing swell how are you my friend very good i cannot complain there's a um a lot going on a lot for us to talk about and you know one of my favorite things in this world is talking shit with you rob so lucky that I get to do this for a living. So Donald Trump gave a, well, what was it? I guess Politico gave him some type of, they gave him like, it was like a person of Europe, the most consequential person in Europe, like,

of the year or something like that. I don't exactly even understand this. Is it the European branch of Politico, recognized Donald Trump? And so that, of course, because of this, he agreed to sit down to an interview with It's just such a Trump moment, of course. Do you know the details on that, Rob? What was it? I did not realize that this was affiliated with an award.

But honestly, that's offensive to Trump to just say best and most influential of Europe. It's of everywhere. Well, it wasn't, I'm trying to see what it was here. It sounds more like a diss than an award. It was a, I try to see. It's like calling Donald Trump the pretty good at something. And he's like, no, best. sorry as this is a it's okay um uh politico names uh donald trump the most powerful person in europe

um and i guess this interview was i don't even know what was it was their european wing of political or something but the interview was largely centered around europe that was like a big part of it um and so anyway you know it's just you know it's a donald trump doing another long sit down interview um say whatever you will about Donald Trump, right? This has always been true and has been one of the keys to his political success. But he gives access. Now, he gives this access almost, you know, exclusively to the corporate media, except for campaign time in 2024, which I, you know, kind of almost want to get into that

a little bit at some point. But so, you know, Donald Trump, but look, unlike people like Joe Biden or something like that, like Donald Trump does interviews. he does press conferences he talks a lot um and he was always like this this was in fact one of the um one of the big advantages that he had his entire political career which is the last 10 years or so um was that politicians in with very few exceptions like very very few exceptions politicians are almost always very guarded because they are professional liars you know and when you're a professional liar you think about things like who's the interviewer what's the situation what are the agreed

upon questions what are this because you're always at risk of being exposed for your life like kamala harris the reason why it's such a thing there's so many deliberations about doing joe rogan's podcast is because the entire goddamn concern is like you could get exposed on this like people might now Donald Trump on the other hand however you feel about him he believes all his own bullshit so like he doesn't see any risk of getting exposed he's like I don't got to hide

I'm right about everything I'm the smartest guy who's ever lived so like anyway he'll do these things so you get a lot of them with Donald Trump and of course Donald Trump has been the yeah is he the most influential person in Europe he's the most influential person in the world over the last 10 years with no one in second place

and so you see this guy a lot he's the most influential most important person and i don't know rob tell me if you you had any of this but i just i guess i'm just at a point with donald trump and i think a lot of people feel this way but i'm just so over it i'm just over his whole thing his stick his bullshit his narcissism his like i'm just it's not it's just getting less and less entertaining and more and more embarrassing. I don't know. That's just how I feel. I watched the interview and I walked away that apparently we have the greatest economy ever. And it was just because Marjorie Taylor Green was low IQ and she couldn't

process how amazing our economy was and what he's doing for the American people. So I feel good again. I just needed to hear it from Donald Trump's mouth that it's the greatest economy of all time. And now I'm spending money again, actually. Yeah, right. Exactly. It's just, I realized it was just me. being stupid the whole time then just watch just like his braggadocious like thing with every single it's just i don't know now i will say by the way it wasn't this i'm not trying to say like this interview wasn't like a disaster there were bad moments in it but it wasn't like you know we covered what was it last month i can't even remember who we gave the interview to but uh was it

60 minutes we had the disastrous one where it almost felt like oh my god this is like you know like almost felt like the speech was this interview was the end of trumpism you know he said the thing about how we need the other workers and our university system would be taken down if we were to not do you know it was just terrible um it wasn't quite that bad and he still he still said some good things um and you know i he said some good things on ukraine he said some good things about america's relationship with europe in general and being america first but it's just like i guess a certain point you're just like dude deliver on something man like you just got to deliver on this it's just hearing hearing you just kind of have a couple a couple of lines where you throw

some red meat to the base just ain't doing nothing for me anymore and um he's delivering a farmer bailout to farm conglomerates because they lost so much money in his tariffs since now he's borrowing from a supposed future tariff revenue so that he can can make good on all the lost funds from the soybeans, which I think the only reason we grow soybeans was because of earlier government policies to turn poison into a food. But we were able to succor the Chinese on buying it. And then Donald Trump blew that up. So now he has to make large payments to massive farms. Yeah. And like I know there's all these Trump supporters out there who like, they'll be like, come on Dave, you're like so hard on Donald Trump. But like, did you hear what

Rob just said, what am I supposed to do with information like that and not go, oh, yeah, this is retarded, just absolutely, like, just economic illiteracy to the nth degree. It's just all stupid that is not getting us ahead at all. It's just, you know, there's just a lot of that. And there's, it's impossible. You know, I think, honestly, what's going on broadly speaking with Donald Trump at this point is that you're almost like amongst the the say the commentators who were like supported Donald Trump in 2004 or the the podcasters or whoever um you're just seeing who is willing to like degrade themselves to keep finding a way to defend this shit and then you just see who are like the ones with integrity who just go yeah dude this isn't at all what he fucking ran on and this is

bullshit. This isn't at all what we stand for, what we want to see happen. It's an interesting litmus test. Anyway, there were some, I thought, some pretty relevant parts of the interview. Let's play, let's start with the Ukraine clip.

Excuse me. COVID. Yeah, there you go. It's COVID. Better lock down the country. Let's follow the science. Yeah, let's do the Ukraine clip first. Also, by the way, before we play this, if you do, if you're in the live chat, which you can only be in, if you sign up over at part of the problem.com,

feel free to post some questions, and we'll get to them if we got any time. All right, let's play. Right now is in the stronger negotiating position. Well, there can be no question about it. It's Russia. It's a much bigger country. It's a war that should have never happened.

Frankly, it wouldn't have happened if I were president, and it didn't happen for four years. I watched that taking place, and I said, wow, they're going to cause some problems here, and it started, and it could have, evolved into World War III, frankly, I think it's probably not going to be happening now. I think if I weren't president, you could have had World War III. I think you would have had a much

bigger problem than you have right now. But right now, it's a big problem. It's a big problem for Europe. And they're not handling it well. Can you just pause it for a second? Like, I even, even with that, it's just how everything, I mean, it's like, it's a fucking, he's a cartoon character. And again, like I've said this so many times before, Rob, right? But like, he's this, he's this cartoon character,

but when he's attacking all the bad guys and driving all the bad guys crazy, it's so easy to fall in love with that cartoon character. Because like, yeah, he's our weapon that gets to them the way nothing else can. But once that's over, it's like everything, dude, everything has to be seen through the prism of protecting his ego. it's all it is it's so clearly like only motivated by that or so motivated by that that it eclipses all other motivations like right away what is the what is the through line here about you get asked whether they should be having elections in ukraine and okay he gives a good answer on that like

yeah they should or whatever but then immediately it's like what do you have to know that the war never would have happened without me that i was sitting back watching it the whole time knew exactly what was going to happen totally would have avoided it everything would have you know i knew it was all biden's fault could have had world war three um and it would be much worse right now if it wasn't me in here so like at every single angle he's just got to let you know that i'm right let's just get that out of the way first i'm right about everything now you know like what and and by the way he's completely full of shit this is total made-up bullshit like dude there's no is it possible that that Putin would have made a different calculation if Trump was in than if

Biden was in like yeah sure like that that might be the case but like Donald Trump is largely or at least partially responsible for leaving the conditions in Ukraine the way they were again as we've talked about on the show a bunch of it was Donald Trump who sent the first major weapons package in before Vladimir Putin invaded there was a civil war going on for Donald Trump's entire first president first term and he sent weapons into that then turned that situation over to Joe Biden who also bungled that sure but then also rub I'm sorry like the claim that things would be a lot worse now if Biden were in there like things were basically already where we are right now with Joe Biden that things would be in exactly the same position with

Joe Biden. Maybe we would have sent another weapons package in or something like that. Aside from that, it would be the same situation. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Prolon. If you want to be at your most radiant this holiday season, check out Prolon's five-day fasting, mimicking diet. It makes it easy to target fat loss. It supports lean muscle, and it resets your metabolism so you look and feel your best all winter long. In just five days, Prolon works at the cellular level to rejuvenate you from the inside out and help you stave off those winter bad habits. You guys have heard me talk about prolon before. It's really incredible. A lot of

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Yeah. But at this point, listen, Biden might have started this mess. He might have more of the responsibility. but at this point, this has Trump's hands on it because he wasn't able to end it and he wasn't able to make the one winning move which was we're not supporting this thing anymore. Now the reading... I'm sorry, just keep the second thing you have in mind there. But that is such a fucking important point, dude.

Such a good point. Because I remember saying the same thing about Trump won, about 45 Trump, that when he got in there, I go, you could fucking pull the troops out of Afghanistan in Iraq right now. because right now when he first got in there, you can simply say, this was George W. Bush and Barack Obama's war. And that's what I just ran against because the whole country has rejected them. Right. So like now we can just pull out. And like, and then even if there is any messiness to

it, you can go, yeah, dude, that's because these retards invaded these countries and occupied them for 20 years, you know. But then he goes, no, no, no, we'll keep true. We'll surge in Afghanistan. And then a year later, two years later, now it is your mess. now if you pull out and it's a mess like it is on you so that like that's such a good point the time was at the beginning to have nothing to do with this anymore i'm sorry just keep going there's a very good point now the read i'm getting from the donald trump administration is that they actually do want out of this mess and this is conspiratorial of me but i think the reason why there's corruption stories lurking out of the ukraine is to actually pressure zalinski into ending the

war now i don't know if that's uh actors in ukraine that are making that agenda or for it's our own administration. But the idea that the close partners and friends of Zelensky are suddenly going down for corruption charges and the New York Times is finally writing about corruption problems in the Ukraine now, I don't think that's coincidental. I think that's the administration or, you know, powers at B trying to pressure Zelensky into, hey, there's one way out of this mess and that's you're giving up territories. You're agreeing not to have you're agreeing not to have a large standing military and we're calling it a day

and we're going to have elections and if you want to go the easy way you can take your money and move to Israel or Miami or wherever you end up. But now the most recent claim from Donald Trump that seems to be that he's ramping up pressure is what we're about to see

that apparently Zelensky hasn't either read the agreement and now he's starting to get criticism for the fact that they haven't actually had elections. Yeah. So here, let's continue playing. Last night, you said, that you weren't sure if President Zelensky was fine with the most recent proposal that he isn't ready.

I was hearing from your advisors around Thanksgiving that they thought this thing might be wrapped up by the end of the holiday, but it's still not done. Is Zelensky responsible for the stalled progress, or what's going on there? Well, he's going to read the proposal. He hadn't written, really, he hasn't read it yet. The most recent draft.

That's as of yesterday. And maybe he's read it over the night. It would be nice if we would read it. You know, a lot of people are dying, So it would be really good if he'd read it. His people loved the proposal. They really liked it. His lieutenants, his top people, they liked it.

But they said he hasn't read it yet. I think he should find time to read it. Is it time for Ukraine to hold an election, do you think? Yeah, I think so. It's been a long time. It hasn't been doing particularly well. Yeah, I think it's time. I think it's an important time to hold an election.

They're using war not to hold an election, But I would think the Ukrainian people would, you know, should have that choice. And maybe Zelensky would win. I don't know who would win, but they haven't had an election in a long time. You know, they talk about a democracy, but it gets to a point where it's not a democracy anymore. On Sunday, your son, Donald Trump Jr., responded to a reporter's question about whether you will, quote, walk away from Ukraine. And your son said, I think he may. Is that correct?

No, it's not correct, but it's not exactly wrong. We have to, you know, they have to play ball if they don't read agreements, potential agreements. You know, it's not easy with Russia because Russia has the upper, upper hand. And they always did, they're much bigger, they're much stronger in that sense. I give Ukraine a lot of, a lot of, I give the people of Ukraine and the military of Ukraine tremendous credit for the, you know, bravery and fighting and all of that. But, you know, at some point, size will win, generally. and this is a massive size. You take a look at the numbers.

I mean, the numbers are just crazy. This is not a war that should have happened. This is a war that would have never happened to buy world president. So sad, millions of people are dead, many, many soldiers. You know, last month, they lost 27,000 soldiers and some people from missiles being launched into Kiev

and other places. But what a sad thing? What a sad thing for humanity. You know, this doesn't affect us. Our country is no longer paying any money. It was Biden, gave him $350 billion so stupidly. And, you know, if he wouldn't have given it, or maybe something else would have happened.

But Putin had no respect for Biden, and he had no respect for Zelensky. He didn't like Zelensky. They really hate each other. And part of the problem is they hate each other really a lot you know and it's very hard for them to try and make a deal it's harder than most i settled eight wars and this i would have said this is the ninth this would have been the easiest one i would have said or one of the easier ones i mean i said yeah let's just pause it here i mean

it's just it's so much nothingness mixed in with his goddamn narcissism it's just like how many times like these have any of us not heard you mentioned that it wouldn't have happened if you were president you opened with that you still have to get back to this wouldn't have happened and then it's just like again like the problem with trump too is like he just doesn't really he's just always bluffing you know like he just doesn't really know stuff it's kind of obvious just by listening to him like it's just like okay so what did you really if i could distill that all down this is where we are is that you figured out that kamala harris what she figured out that russia is a big country and Ukraine's a small country next door to a big country.

Okay. Oh, they hate each other. Putin and Zelensky? I did not put that together yet. I've been focused on this war for years. I had not put together that there was hostility between the two of them yet. Anyway, I just felt, I don't know. I mean, I just think that there's no, you know, at a certain point,

it's like Trump, okay, you want to use all this fucking, you know, you want to constantly talk about how great you are and how it wouldn't have happened. if you were there and has said it's like okay you also promised to end it on day one so at at what point is it like your genius negotiating tactics here are not able to produce nearly the results you claimed you would um by the way uh rob it's also uh worth noting i don't know if you saw this but zolinski can't has come out since this and said uh no to the deal and that he straight up said, no, we need all of our territory back. That's the condition. And when he says all of our territory, I do think he still means Crimea too. So like, what, what do you do there other than

fucking walk away from that? Like, I mean, if you're at this point and you're saying, like, we're kind of demanding that you, you know, surrender some of this territory and you're saying, no, it's like, all right, what are we talking about here? Um, there's, I don't know, any feeling on that? Yeah, well, uh, it does seem like we're kind of stuck in the same circle where, uh, once a month, Donald Trump realizes, oh, yeah, there's still a war in Ukraine and then he'd ADDs goes back to trying to solve it. And then he forgets about it for a little while, but usually the forgetting about it is that essentially he says, people are dying for no reason. Russia's winning this war. Selensky, you have no cards and you have no options. Uh, what you got to do is just we got to play ball. We got to give up the territories and admit. that they were lost. You're not getting security guarantees and we're calling it a war.

And then Zelensky seems to go, well, I refuse to do that. Go over to Europe. And then for some reason, Donald Trump's folds and, you know, the war continues going on. And I, I mean, he's claiming we haven't sent money over there. I don't know how accurate that is. I seem to, I seem to have thought that we were still supporting them. Maybe it's through arms that supposedly Europe is actually purchasing from us or returns from mineral agreements. I don't know. But I, I don't think the I don't think we'd still be hearing about this if the U.S. had just walked away and wasn't supporting it. So I was under the impression that we were still supporting the war. Well, I know there was that one package that went out that went out as a loan, but it was like a loan with no enforcement.

And then Trump had supported that one because he was said, oh, this is smart because it's a loan. So like, yeah, there's, I'm sure still tons of American support going on for this thing, either directly or indirectly. also like the united states of america seems to have no problem pushing pressuring bullying countries into doing the things we want them to do in other ways and yet like what is are we to believe that we have no leverage to insist that the europeans stop supporting this thing or something like that or at least attempt to um anyway it's just uh what what can you say you've got this guy here who is um uh zolinski who is you know he's painted you know he was painted in the corporate media as like a hero for for years he was painted as this like brave warrior which i do all

always find you know there's something about the well i guess this is like a libertarian nature of government type of uh the type of insight but like I would say even beyond well here let me preface with this actually before I give my libertarian take on the nature of government there is such a thing I could imagine as like

a legit like wartime leader who really is being brave and is being noble but it it would look like a general not like a president like if you like George Washington or something like that like if you if you're being invaded and you're out there in battle with your guys leading the thing I see there being something noble about that and something brave about that but like when when this is done in the context of a modern day

nation state it's like people talk about Zelensky like hey this guy's just so brave he just still wants to fight even with all odds against him he still wants to put up a fight to try to maintain his country and you're like no dude he suspended elections and conscripted in army he doesn't do anything he's forcing the young men or more often old men at this point onto the front lines to just go get slaughtered for nothing he's been doing this now for years like the last what was it i think it was goddamn because i'm up on my scott horton reading but it's just been a little bit wild but what was it their last like offensive where they had any gains is already like over two years ago it's like there's he's just been forcing people at gunpoint

to the front lines to go get slaughtered in mass for nothing to just to just keep losing territory slowly and yet they try to make it out like that's noble like that's something like I I don't know. He's protecting himself and forcing the destruction of his own people. It's horrible. And so, like, I don't know. What can you say about that at a certain point? Then all right. How could any Western country who's enabling that at a certain point is just engaged in something horribly evil and destructive for everyone?

Like, maybe you could have come up with some surface level argument at the very beginning, like if you thought there was a chance. but no one thinks like no one actually believes that with america out of the picture in european support alone he can take back any of this territory it's just all so um obviously insane all right guys let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is rouget if you've ever found yourself in an awkward situation where you're waiting to pick up a prescription at the pharmacy counter for an issue that you would rather not announce to the whole world when there's an old lady standing behind you and a bunch of people around. Go check out Rujet. There's a better way. And in fact, it's a next generation solution. Unlike other popular brands, it's made

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Yeah. The latest effort, though, with the chatter from Trump of it, like last time I don't remember I was saying no elections, nor was there the conversation about all of the stolen funds out in the Ukraine. So it seems like on this most recent effort, they're exerting more pressure on Zelensky. Yeah. No, that's, that's right. But even here, it sounds like Donald Trump is not ready to just walk away.

which in part might just be because he wants his big peace plan to be approved so he could go, I'm a peacemaker, and he doesn't want to admit defeat that over the last year that was actually the best and only card to play because Zelensky just refuses to call it a day. But it seems like at some point that's the inevitability and the decision that has to be made. Well, I agree with you, Rob. And look, again, there's like, it's fairly obvious, like, that human beings can see when somebody, what I was saying, before when somebody is as obsessed with talking about themselves and how much they got it right and how much credit they deserve and I mean literally throughout the interview it's like every

Trump interview it's just littered with like this talking about how smart he is literally saying the words how smart I am like it's just um and and then like I think it's reasonable to deduce from that that like yeah this is the major motivating factor for you and to your point like yeah it does seem like that's the actually the motivating factor for Donald Trump. Not that the thing gets solved, that he gets credit for the thing being solved. And like, that that's a really big problem, man, because like that can lead to all, making all types of wrong moves that are just not necessary. I feel like Zelensky's on the way out. I just don't see Europe's coming back over here making another pitch to Donald Trump that

this work can be won against Russia. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's a, I think, I think one of the things, right, and this, we were, I think, reporting on this earlier in the year, but there's one of the major things that's changed, I think, in the war over this year is the, the level of its support from Ukrainians is really collapsing. And so that also, with throwing that element in, too, it's like this, this is, um, this is, um, um, this is, um, um, unsustainable in a lot of ways. So like something's got to happen at some point. And yeah, it might be this guy getting pushed out. Maybe the, uh, the Nazis just end up taking over the country after, after Zelensky. It's kind of, it's interesting because I, Scott's written a bunch about this, but like the one of the guys who is like potentially next in line is like one of the real deal, neo-Nazis. Wouldn't that give, uh, Putin more of a mandate to continue the war, though? And his question

to denotsify Ukraine. Mm-hmm. Yes. Yeah, no, it's a whole, but it's a whole mess. Yes, no, there's that, right? Like, it obviously makes it worse for, you know, for the potential of that conflict. So, this would be the most hilarious thing ever. So we force them to have elections, then a full-fledged Nazi gets elected. And then we have to decide that we're no longer supporting them. Yeah.

And or listening to Putin talk about how now I have to take over all of you, Curring to successfully denotify it. Yeah, dude, it's the shit. It's the shit, Scott. And, uh, and all of us, you know, we're talking about it the, at the very beginning of the war. that it's just the fucking irony like the joke writes itself but like in World War II

we sided with Joseph Stalin when Russia was real deal communists we sided with the communists Joseph Stalin the worst Russian government that ever existed we sided with them to defeat the Nazis

and now that Russia is no longer communist and they're essentially like corrupt Republicans or something now we side with the Nazis to defeat the capitalist Russians it's just like too nutty and then I know people would give me shit

because they'd be like well the Nazis are right the whole country isn't a Nazi country it's only a faction like yeah okay fair enough but like they were a really really relevant important faction in this whole goddamn thing and it's uh it was always right Rob was one of the one of the most hilarious things

about this this phenomenon which by the way had been widely reported on for years in Ukraine. I mean, this was like, this was just like a very well-known thing. Like, it was essentially, what's it called, the Chicken Kiev speech from George H.W. Bush. Like, this was his speech in Kiev, where he was talking about, don't trade, I forget his exact words, but don't trade a far-off tyranny for a domestic, you know, tyranny or something like that. He said it in a better, more eloquently than that.

but he was talking about like the radical right wing ukrainians this is ukraine after all rob you know like you don't have to be like a world war two expert to know that like oh yeah there was a whole thing there where they were involved and so you have these factions they're like direct bloodline from nazis it's like they're the grandsons of the ukrainian nazis and um maybe great grandsons in some cases but uh but anyway so like this was this was very known it was widely reported it was even widely reported uh in in mainstream outlets throughout the civil war from 2014 up to 2020 but if you remember rob like once it became the thing of the day and joe biden's number one mission and we might and everyone was changing their twitter bio to have a ukrainian flag in it then

it became real embarrassing where every now and then you just get pictures from the front lines of the war and you would see all types of like fucking swastika flags and tattoos and all types of like Nazi shit because that's there's a whole bunch of real deal Nazis okay um let's uh let's go to the Venezuela clip of Donald Trump because this one was atrocious down the the border now he sent a lot of these people he also sends in a lot of drugs so we'll see how it all works out so do I can't talk about so how far would you go to take Maduro out of office I don't want to say that but uh But you want to see him out?

His days are numbered. Can you rule out an American ground invasion? I don't want to rule in or out. I don't talk about it. Why would I talk to you an extremely unfriendly publication, if you want to call it, Politico, that got $8 million from Obama to keep it afloat. Why would I do that?

Why would I talk about that to Politico? I mean, I'm doing this because you picked me as a man for you. I'm asking for transparency for their American people, because a lot of folks are, well, people are wondering what is. I am the most transparent politician maybe in the world. A lot of folks are wondering what our goals are. You just pause it already. There's a couple things even before because I think more of the substance of this is coming up.

But like, dude, no, dude, you don't get that anymore. Like after the Epstein thing, you really can't ever say that again. You can't ever say that again. You worked your ass off and probably still are to, actively cover up the like biggest scandal in in politics and sorry you don't get to say you're the most transparent and then on the other thing rob you know this is kind of what i was getting at before i guess i could say it now but there is something where like you kind of go all right hey donald trump you're going to go why should i tell you that politico like you're a hostile you know enemy

publications like okay could you go on a friendly one and tell us how about just for the people who voted for you then man how about like can you tell any of us what the hell's going on here because and by the way like as i was saying before it's like there is something about donald trump too because he's just he's such a boomer you know just which is not his fault it's just he is a guy who is 80 um that he's just still like kind of enamored with the legacy media the corporate media in some way and so yeah it's as soon as they throw him a bone or they pat him on the head, he comes and does their interview because he still ultimately really wants their approval. Like ultimately what he wants is for them

to go, oh, he was, he did turn out to be brilliant and tremendous. He was right, you know, but like, he did that whole podcast scene to get elected, but he's not going back on any of those shows to talk about it. Like, why not? Is it that crazy? Is it that crazy to go like, why not do the show with a bigger audience and an audience of a lot of people who supported you. I'm just saying like if you're going to say, hey, I won't say this to Politico, like, all right, could you tell any of us? Anyway, any thoughts of them. It's the most four-year-old answer ever.

Well, I'm not telling you. Yeah, you're the commander in chief. We're talking about a potential war. I mean, I understand if you want to say, well, listen, I play 4D chess, 5D chess. Sometimes I get up to 70 chess. I don't even realize I'm playing chess. And I need to keep all my options on the table, and we're going to see how we're going to take out Maduro. I'm not ruling out anything.

At least that's a, I don't like that answer. And it still seems like he's flirting with a ground invasion, but I can understand it. How dare you ask me a question that people would want an answer to while I'm sitting down with an interview with you. And here's some dirt on your newspaper. You sat down for the interview. And it's a fair and reasonable question. Yeah. Yeah.

No, that's right. It's just, yeah. Okay, let's keep playing. I want to talk to you about military strategy. Well, may I ask then, what is your goal in Venezuela? What do you want to see with the actions that you're taking? Well, one goal is I want the people of Venezuela to be treated well. I want the people of Venezuela, many of whom live in the United States, to be respected.

I mean, they were tremendous to me. They voted for me 94% or something. You know, there's, he goes on. to just start rambling about how Venezuela was emptying their prisons and sending people here, and these boats are drug boats. At one point, she did hit him with something along the lines of, you know, it's actually a really tiny percentage of the drugs that come into America, come in from Venezuela, and they, you know, much more come in from Colombia and Mexico.

And you know what was the response? Nothing. he had no response to it at all just it was like uh it was like well i don't know i don't know about that they're sending a lot of drugs and you can see the boats so you can see the bags on the boats it oh we're doing it for the people of venezuela and for the people of venezuela who are the people who live in america from venezuela and we just really want them to be respected really what that's why you're not ruling out a ground invasion right now that's why you're openly threatening advocating for regime change saying his days are numbered i mean i know like

donald trump talk about like degrading your god damn soul and integrity and critical thinking but you know donald trump like i think he made that term panikins about like the uh that's what people would actually repeat this like over the war in in iran they would say like oh look at Dave and Candace and Tucker, they're panicking about this war. Like, do the commander in chief is openly flirting with a, with a war, a completely unnecessary war, it is potentially catastrophic. Like, what are you supposed to do with that? Not say, this is insane, not point that out.

He doesn't even have a coherent, the people, for the people of Venezuela, we're going to do this. And then all the other, I mean, all the other arguments fall apart under the slightest bit of examination. Like, even when he goes, like, he goes, he goes, okay, they were sending all these refugees from Venezuela. Well, okay. Let's think that through, Rob, for a second. Well, number one, you'd go, okay, sounds like the problem was our border wasn't secure. sounds like our problem was the central issue that you ran and won on and largely solved

the one great thing that Donald Trump's done in his second term that border does seem to be pretty secure by all accounts the the number of migrant crossings are way way way down i mean it's actually unbelievable how drastically far down they are without like really seemingly rob like a major piece of legislation or anything like that you know okay so in other words that problem's been solved now i guess the problem that still remains to be solved is deporting all of the ones that are here but like okay that's also supposedly your top domestic priority although not really but so like okay but then even if you wanted to go on top of that and say okay that problem's been solved but somebody's got to be punished for the crime

of letting migrants come over here like first of all you're up to a very weak justification for a war at that point. But even if you are just purely on consequential grounds, if the problem is, Rob, hear me out on this, if the problem is too many migrants coming from Venezuela, do you really think the solution is therefore to topple the government of Venezuela? Like, might that come with the price tag of more migrants being created. Like, I'm sure you can come up with some perfect scenario where, like, you topple the government and a wonderful government is immediately instituted, and life is much better, and so therefore people don't have to flee.

Do we have any real-world examples of that? Do we have any real-world examples going in the opposite direction? Like, at best, you'd have to admit, if you're saying that Maduro's days are numbered, that we were our goal here is to topple the regime as Donald Trump has previously said they offered us everything we want and we still said no we're we want to topple this regime could you at least conceive that it's possible that there's like a period of I don't know six months a year where there is some chaos and might that lead to a big migrant crisis I mean we've only seen that every single place that we've done in regime change in the last 30 years.

Is it at least possible that it happens here? So now you're proposing a war that is the most reckless policy toward alleviating the pretext for that war. You get my point, Rob? Yeah. It makes obviously the Venezuela War is a big sham, of which they will not actually tell us what they're looking for. And here's Donald Trump actually being asked about an interview

and, you know, clearly doesn't want to give any direct answers. It's even, man, let me think about this before I say it out loud, Rob. It's less coherent than the Iran propaganda. Like at least, at least

with the Iran propaganda, they had some I mean, it was, don't get me wrong, there were all types of holes in it, but it went something like Iran is enriching at 60% uranium. Nobody's ever gone up that high without developing a bomb. Donald Trump gave him a deadline, and they didn't come to an agreement with an negotiating table. This is too risky of a nuclear threat in the hands of these radicals.

Now, okay, there's a million goddamn holes in that, you know, which I think I spent a lot of times poking them. But at least there was something. And during that war, Rob, I was talking about how this. is crazy because they don't even have a pretext for this war like they did for the other ones you know like they haven't even laid a decent this is nothing like we there's some votes with drugs and and he sent the migrants intentionally trust me trust me on all of this they've never they've never presented like a piece of evidence like look even with like the um like a round was actually enriching up to 60 percent now whatever that didn't mean we needed to start bombing them but they were

enriching and we had IAEA reports that said so you know what I'm saying like you had they have shown us no evidence that these are drug boats they've shown us no evidence that the government of venezuela was in on the migrant crisis like they haven't showed us any of this he just says they emptied the prisons and sent them here like okay and as i just pointed out like that still would it would still defeat the purpose of starting a war well if you want to talk about coherent statements. I think he said something about he wants things to be better for Venezuelans, including the ones living in the U.S., that they should have more respect. I think he said that. And if you want to talk about undermining that, it's saying that Venezuela

dumped out all of its criminal population and crazies into the United States of America. I can't imagine that that helps your average Venezuelan who lives here, nor do I really think the topic of Venezuelan respect amongst migrants in our country should be a major geopolitical. political factor. Yeah, and just the whole, I mean, the whole idea. Maybe I didn't even catch that line right, but I think that's what he said. Yeah, something like that. I don't think he even knew what he said.

He should play. There should, uh, at the end of his clip, but you remember that there was that one moment in the debate with Joe Biden in his, uh, catastrophic, uh, debate, uh, where Donald Trump just turned to him and said, I don't know what he just said. And I don't think he knows what he just said. They should have a hologram of Donald Trump saying that to Donald Trump after his Venezuela answer. That might as well have been a Joe Biden answer.

It's just they have absolutely nothing here. They have nothing. And it seems like they're not even making an attempt to try to figure out some way to sell this thing. I don't know. It's very, very bizarre to watch.

But, you know, again, if Donald Trump wants to tear at his own political base anymore, Go ahead and launch this war, man. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Hexclad. The holiday season is here, and let's get real.

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um i do see people all right so people in the chat i see are asking about some of the podcast war stuff because or at least they're talking about some of it big drama oh my god it's so much drama week so much drama amongst uh amongst i think i think i think think i know everyone involved in all of it and have done many shows with them like there's a um pierce morgan well of course nick fuentes went on pierce morgan's show and that was a whole big shit show and then um well you bring great piece to the podcast drama dave smith are you going to pour fuel in the fire and put some characters i'm blessed uh you know honestly i okay i'll say this it is a weird there's there's a weird dynamic that comes in

when you get to know all of these people involved you know and then also uh just there's there's a certain personality aspect to it as well like i can be you know and i'm not really when i'm in my calmer moments i'm not really proud of it but i can be pretty damn vicious um when i'm attacked you know but like when people have been nothing but cool and respectful to me i find it very difficult to like you know what i mean like be personal or attack them and And I just like, uh, so we're saying neutral. We're neutral in the podcast drama. Well, no, it's, I mean, I do have some opinions on all these things.

I mean, look like, you know, I, with the, the Pierce Morgan, Nick Fuentes thing, I mean, there, it was a. And I, I like Pierce Morgan a lot. And I really think, I think despite what a circus, his show can be at times, I actually think in, he's really built one of the most important kind of. to platforms right now. It's this weird, it's like this crazy dynamic where it's like it's recess with no teacher. You know what I mean? It's like there's fights that happen there. There's all, but it's also like where some of the most important debates have happened, some of the most important moments in like political commentary over the last few years have happened on that show. I mean, dude, General Wesley Clark giving away that the plan to invade or to topple seven

countries went back another decade to 91 and that it came from paul wolfowitz's office and that it was scotcroft who who shot it down and then it was a study by the israelis that brought it back to life and then it was implemented after 9-11 like dude having the four-star general like that was the first time he's ever said that on the record it was like that happened on pierce morgan show and there's been a bunch of moments like that um i think peers like fundamentally just misunderstands who Nick Fuentes is and what the moment was

and there was just like he ended up kind of being ridiculous in the thing and you know it's funny because like when when I had Nick on and when Tucker had Nick on more so with Tucker because that one

you know was a more high profile although ours did pretty incredible numbers but people would be like oh you're not being hard enough on him or you're not pushing back or something or they'd be mad almost a sense that we weren't just being like like hey let's sit down let's do three hours of i'm appalled i would never you did this but i would never and i just think like okay so now it's kind of cool that this happened to go here guys now see how it goes that way and see how unproductive and useless this whole thing was

and any anytime you get caught like if you're a journalist anytime you get caught in an exercise where you're essentially just letting everybody know that you're more virtuous, you're not doing it right. Like, that's not actually the point. What you want to do is actually get into that. Like, okay, hey, you say this real productive thing, but like, what do you mean by it? And just like the constant kind of gotcha nature of the whole thing. It was just, you handed Fuentes, I thought, an easy win.

And then, I don't know. And also it just didn't really, it didn't actually advance anything or actually get into, you know what I mean? I just, like, if there are things, which I certainly, there's certainly a lot of takes Nick Fuentes has that I don't agree with. We have very different worldviews. But like, you also, you almost, like, sometimes with things like this, you got to start from the end. You got to go, what is the point of this? What do you want to come out of this for you to expose Nick Fuentes as the guy who he already admits he is? Like, you know what I mean? Like, is that the? the goal or is it that you want to go like okay hey look we're probably not going to agree on

everything but let's talk about you know what i mean like some of these things and how far really are you willing to go here and you got to at least concede this like i just think that's a more productive way to do it so it's not i'm not like personally trash and pierce or anything i i like the guy i think that i think and part of this is probably just due to his age like there's a part of me that i don't really get i really i don't really get generation z shit because like i'm not supposed to. I'm a 42-year-old dad. I'm not supposed to know what's up with these 20-year-old kids. But then, you know, like, you know, people who are like a generation older than me, I think, are just that much further removed from it and kind of don't get it. One of the things is that

Pierce is constantly doing this thing through the whole, the whole show where he's like, you're an anti-Semite, you're a sexist, you're a racist. Look at this thing you said. This was very racist. This was very sexist. This was very anti-Semitic. This was this. And it's almost like you don't realize that at the core of the raison d'etra, the existence of Nick Fuentes, is a rejection of that. Like, just a reject. It's already, by his very nature, the point is, I'm not playing that game. I don't care. Fine. Yes, I'm all of those things. Call me all of those labels. Now, here's why. I'm right about it, you know? Like, whether you think he's right or not, it's like, you can't, you can't get him by playing

that game. So I just thought it was, it was, it was futile to attempt. Does that make sense? No, it totally makes sense. I'm, I'm not a Fuentes expert. I don't really, I'm willfully ignorant. I'm not paying that much attention. I can't tell you to what extent he comes off a lot more reasonable when he does these guest

episodes and he's not actually representing his views or if they're just views that have been mis-categorized or allocated to him based off of clips. So I just, I don't know what this kid really thinks or Stan. I don't know, okay? I watched the interview basically from the Hitler question through, like, the marriage conversation, which might have been about 20 minutes. And based on what I watched, Fuentes was the victor in the conversation. The gotcha tricks were not working, the old school TV stuff of if it gets away from you,

cutting him off and go, well, here's a clip of something you said. And what you were talking about, it's such a Trump quality, where he was just like, this whole apparatus of the fake, righteous indignation, or, hey, Jewish guys offended by me is exactly what has eroded our entire culture and has not allowed people to self-advocate for what they actually believe in. So, no, I refuse to apologize, and I refuse to pretend like these things that you're pretending are more important or more important, and I thought, I just thought he represented whatever that opinion is in a way that peers really couldn't handle.

Yeah, and look, man, the thing, the thing about Nick Fuentes is, and again, this is like, no matter, no matter where you stand on the issues or what, to what degree you agree or disagree with his views, he's just, he's really fucking good at this, man. Like, he's really good. I mean, dude, the thing where when he plays the, Fuentes making the Holocaust joke and then Pierce goes, he goes, why would you think it's okay to joke about the Holocaust?

And it goes, what, too soon? It's just great. Just a great response. Just undeniably like a fucking hilarious, like immediate retort. Anyway, so, you know, like, I don't know. I thought, um, honestly, like that's kind of thought it was going to go like that when I heard that Pierce was having him on. So I thought that was, uh, um,

You know, it was, it was just that. And also, I think it was, like, it seemed to me that Pierce, which I will, like, I give Pierce a lot of credit. I think Pierce, Pierce, for, like what I said before about his age, for someone his age, he's been, like, it's been phenomenal his ability to keep his finger on the pulse in today's, like, very changing world. but I think this might have been a little bit of an eye-opening experience for him to see like the way he conducted the interview and the damn near universal way it was it was received but you know like whatever peers is great keep having me on your show please please please keep letting me uh uh fuck up these Zionists on your show all right guys let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is cal shi you've seen them all over the place

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the truth where your gut meets real money all right let's get back into the show uh okay and then i guess the other one right was that then there's also like this thing between tim pool and kandis owens um where like and then there's also like i guess a beef between nick fentes and ean carroll or whatever all these guys have been arguing and you know the um the the split to some degree seems to be over the uh the conspiracies about charlie kirk um and kind of what what kandis has been doing with with all of that you know i again i don't i really just to say where i am on that issue I really don't I haven't moved really from where I've been the whole time I still I haven't I haven't seen anything that I would look at as like concrete evidence of Israeli involvement in Charlie Kirk's assassination I haven't seen that if anyone can like show me that fine there was something about like cell phone data in Israel or something like that but like you'd have to like really look at those things, man.

Like, I don't know if you guys remember, like, Dinesh D'Souza when he did the 2000 Mules documentary. He had to, like, apologize for a whole portion of that thing where he got it all wrong, just trying to map out cell phone data and where it was. So, like, I just don't know. You know, I also, again, like, as I've said before, it's just, there's always an expectation and there's somewhat of a responsibility when you do shows like we do to try to be reading about every single thing and looking into all the details about all of this but there's just so many major things going on in the world right now and there are the things i specialize in and it is

god damn enough of a challenge to be well read on all that shit and keep going you know what i mean and like keep learning more on that and it's just i i have not like done a deep deep dive into where we are with charlie girk i haven't seen anything yet that was like a smoking gun like oh shit this whole thing's a big conspiracy that being said cash patel and the fbi and the justice department they have no credibility so i understand where people aren't trusting whatever information is being released there were things that made it look like suspicious what they were doing that text thread and stuff was suspicious and certainly i think candace really laid out and if nothing else i think essentially her whole investigative series has been worth it even if only for

revealing how much the goddamn israel lobby and the israel government lied their ass off about this whole thing after it happened and that that in itself has been you know like very valuable a real we've gotten a real insight into what it was like to be charlie kirk and run an organization like that and then also platform voices like me who are very critical of israel so that that itself has been very interesting but other than that i don't really know i have no goddamn idea i have no idea who killed charlie kirk or what and i guess we'll see what happens when uh this Tyler Robinson goes to trial, maybe we'll get some more information. Who knows? I will say that I thought, I saw the clip where Tim Poole was going off on Candace, another person who I like, who's, I've been on a show many times. I thought it was, look, it's ridiculous to do what Tim Poole is doing here now, which I see a lot of people doing, which really, really does irk me,

because it's a, I think, a convenient way to do. distract, whether intentionally or unintentionally, but to distract from the real story, which is what we try to focus on here, Rob, which is the failure of the Trump administration right now. That's like the number one story right now. And the one thing that I kind of pride myself on, I know you do too, Rob, and we pride ourselves together as a show on this, that we always at least try. You're never perfect in this, but we always at least kind of try to, like, prioritize what the most important thing that's going on right now is. Like if you look back through the history of

the show, I think we've done a really good job of doing that. To me, that's kind of the priority right now. It's like where the guy, how the Trump administration is, is collapsing, how this is handing the energy back to the Democrats, which are a huge threat to this country, like all of this stuff. So when Tim Poole says, if we lose in the midterms next year, the reason why is because of Candace Owens. Because Candice Owens tore this whole thing down. That is just such a cop out. dude like no if the reason why the republicans are going to lose in the midterm next year or or likely to lose in the midterms um is because the trump administration has failed just utterly failed to deliver on on so many of their key aside from border security on everything they've

failed on everything and so you know border security is a big one not trying to take that away But if that makes sense, I just think that's like you start getting into this thing where it's like, you know, if Trump buries the Epstein files or something like that, it tries to cover up the Epstein scandal. And then people go, oh, all you guys bitching about this are the reason why we're going to lose the midterms. It's like, no, we're going to lose the midterms because he covered up the Epstein scandal. Like that's the issue is the policy. And so similarly, if Donald Trump, if we're looking around a year from now and Donald Trump has now bombed Yemen and bombed Iran and now bombed Venezuela and now like guys, but the price of groceries is higher than it was under Joe Biden and the price of your mortgage and your rent is higher than it was under Joe Biden, that's why we're going to lose the midterms because no one actually cares about any of this shit. Anyway, I guess that was just, that was my thought on that. Anything you want to go, Rob?

Yes. I have not followed all of the Candace storyline. Once again, I know about as much about that as I do, Nick Feintes opinions. I think you and I both looked at the Charlie Kirk situation and said something, something's not adding up here. And open to ideas of what actually took place there. I'm not friends with Tim Poole, so I think, nor have I done it. his show. So I think I can put him a little bit more on blast than you can. And feel free to cut me off here, if you so please. But he was definitely raging out a little bit over there. And for

one, I think pretending like the fractured Republican coalition, as you said, is over the Charlie Kirk thing. I don't believe that to be true. But then he was also making claims that his place had been shot at, that apparently there is no police record of that incident, which... Yeah, that, well, that I don't know. I saw the one. thing where the guy called the cops and a cop told him there was no record of that but at the same time i have no way of knowing i have no way of knowing that that was actually a cop on the other line and i have no way of knowing that he didn't just get one cop at the police station who said there's no report so like i i just that i wouldn't be i don't know is right or not listen a i is

not perfect but uh my a i search into it as to whether or not the event likely happened based off of known police records came back as it's unlikely or was at least an over statement. Now, the problem with AI is sometimes it gets things very wrong, and you're very confident that you have information because, you know, it just gave you bad information, but then also his claims that Candace has no security and is not facing the same problem as other conservative commentators. That did not sound to me like that was a likely claim of Candace's reality. Look, dude, Tim, okay, look, and I'll, we're just a little bit overtime, and I got a, I'm running to do the Tom Woods show. So I got to, uh, uh,

wrap in a second here, but like, no, that's right, exactly, all that's wrong. But look, again, it's just so obvious. It's so insane that anyone could deny this. Like, this is just one of those things that, like, no matter how much we disagree, we should actually all be able to agree on this obvious truth, which is that what is the fracture on the right over? Rob, say it with me now. One word. Israel. Like, that's what the fracture in the right is over. It's over Trump's policy of being the most pro-Israel president while Israel is doing the most fucked up thing it's ever done and over the Israeli and Israel lobby's control of American politics.

That's what the whole fights over. There's the split is all of the people who fucking oppose that shit versus all of the people who fucking support that shit. And that's what's got like, Rob, what is the split between Mark Levin and Tucker Carlson really over? What is the issue between Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens? What is the issue? What is it over?

What was the big controversy about Charlie Kirk's event there? What are we going to pretend that that's not what it is? So this is the thing is that, to me, the thing with Tim Poole is that he's been trying to avoid having that conversation or picking a, taking a position on it. And this just very conveniently seems to be another way to avoid that. Oh, it's Candace Owens. that's really what led to this split it's like okay even candace owens what is the phenomenon of kandis owens oh yeah she got fired from the daily wire for telling the truth about israel okay

she went on to have the number one podcast like what do you think is going on here all right look i got i got to i got to wrap up on that one rob you're the man uh go robby the fire or what's your website now robber the fire please check out the uh run your mouth podcast uh if you just type robbie the fire all one word on YouTube. You can find my YouTube channel. I'm going to be starting to post some podcast clips. I mean, stand-up clips and other stuff coming up shortly. And then if you go to Rob Bernsteincombe.com, you can get all my live dates.

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