Part Of The Problem - Trump's Delivering on His Promises

Episode Date: February 11, 2025

Dave Smith brings you the latest in politics! On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave is joined by co-host Robbie "The Fire" Bernstein to discuss CNN's coverage of Trump's approval rating, Trump's statements about relocating refugees in Gaza, discussion about Scott Horton on the No Agenda podcast, and more.Support Our Sponsors:Upgrade your wardrobe instantly and save 20% off with the code [PROBLEM] at https://www.publicrec.com/PROBLEM #publicrecpod Moink - https://www.moinkbox.com/potpMy Patriot Supply - https://www.preparewithsmith.com/Part Of The Problem is available for early pre-release at https://partoftheproblem.com as well as an exclusive episode on Thursday!Get your tickets to Porch Tour here:https://porchtour.comFind Run Your Mouth here:YouTube - http://youtube.com/@RunYourMouthiTunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/run-your-mouth-podcast/id1211469807Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4ka50RAKTxFTxbtyPP8AHmFollow the show on social media:X:http://x.com/ComicDaveSmithhttp://x.com/RobbieTheFireInstagram:http://instagram.com/theproblemdavesmithhttp://instagram.com/robbiethefire#libertarianSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

What's up, what's up ladies and gentlemen welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem. I am Dave Smith, he is Robbie the fire Bernstein. We are back. I do apologize for the mess up in the schedule. I'm going to make episodes up to you guys this week. I know I'm two members only in the can. Uh, we will get those to you. Me and Rob were down in Fort Lauderdale getting, I'm sorry,

down in Key West getting a little bit of R and R over the weekend and doing some shows. Thanks to everybody who came out to the shows, man, it is fun to go down to Key West in the middle of the winter when you live in the Northeast. I told you it was fun down there. I wasn't lying. Good drinking town. To the shows man. It is fun to go down to Key West in the middle of the winter when you live in the Northeast I told you it's fun down there. I wasn't lying. You were drinking town. You were not. Oh my god. It's I Can't even describe how good a drinking town it is. It's a it's such a good drinking town It's a it's a dangerous town. You just sit there You're flying my wife came down and we hung out at this resort the whole weekend and we're just I'm like floating in the pool

And I'm like, ah, let's have our first drink, you know, what is it? And then it's like 9 15 in the morning All right That might be a little bit early might be a little bit early to start but we did and we lived and we're back if I Went to a town in Russia and there were like 97 year old women and they're all sitting around smoking cigarettes I feel like cigarettes aren't that bad for you. They're all doing it here. Obviously. I mean, they're fine And then you go down to Key West and they're all like 65. They look okay. And they're drinking for breakfast. You're like, this can't be that bad.

Yeah, it was, it's dangerous. It's a dangerous game to play, but man, was it a lot of fun? I'm looking forward to that. I want to go back. I want to make that like a regular winter thing. We go down during the winter to Key West, get out of this for a little bit. Anyway, it was a lot of fun. We got a lot of stuff coming up and also just a lot to talk about on today's episode. So let me try to do this as quickly as I

can. Tomorrow night, tomorrow night, I'm assuming it's happening as planned. I know there's some bad weather forecasts out here in New Jersey. But tomorrow night, I will be debating Josh Hammer at Princeton University on the US-Israeli relationship. Very much looking forward to that. It's pretty filled up, but I think there are a few seats available if you want to go. I just posted it on my Twitter. There's a link there.

And then in a couple of weeks, we will be in Houston, Texas at the Punchline. And then after that, at Helium Comedy Club in Buffalo, New York, me and Robbie the Fire Bernstein are both really looking forward to those gigs. All right. So obviously, we were off for the second half of last week. And so a lot's happened. And there's a few things that I really

wanted to make sure we talked about. This, OK, let's start with this, which I just find very fascinating. And it has to do with Donald Trump's approval numbers. So let's, look, I want to let you listen to CNN explain this. Because, well, for a lot of reasons, number one, let's get some eyeballs on them. Not too many people watching.

We can up those numbers a little bit. We'll probably double it just by playing this clip on the show. But also it's just, it's interesting to watch even them admit this. And then maybe let's talk about what this means exactly. So let's go to the CNN clip. Let's let them say it first and then we can respond.

CBS News out with a new poll showing that Americans seem to be liking what they're seeing, but it's a mixed bag. Yeah. I mean, look, but it's not just CBS. You know, I like to take an average of the polls. I like to take an average of the polls. And holy smokes. I mean, look at what the difference is between now versus eight years ago

during the first Trump term, right? This is Trump's net approval rating on February 10th. You go back to 2017, Trump was already underwater at minus five points on the net approval rating. That's approval minus disapproval. What a difference eight years makes. He's on the positive side of the ledger at plus four points. And again it's not just the CBS News poll. We're talking about the Gallup poll. We're talking about the Ipsos poll. We are talking about the Pew poll. All of these respective pollsters have Trump in a better position now than they did eight

years ago. The bottom line is Americans are more likely to say they like what they're seeing now versus what they felt during Trump's first term. Okay. So how rare is this? Are you going to show us sort of where we're at now and how rare it is that this number? Yeah so I want you to take a look at this plus size, this plus sign right? Compare that to the negative

sign. Being on the plus size of the election price. They really do talk to you like you're idiots huh? Positive net approval territory. A positive net approval rating for Donald Trump again. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa Entire first term just 11 days just 11 days. That's just like the SNL run faster We're writing there really is that to the second term just so far just so far Every we get a day Second term so far. He has been on the positive side of the ledger 21 days all three weeks That's already ten more days than he was and isn't yeah. No we get it So again, this is just another sign that Americans are far more likely to like what they're seeing and this is 2% milk

It's not like the 1% there's a whole nother percentage of milk in there His second term here, I just want to get this next number out there, but it is funny how they talk to you like you're a fucking retard. Is there something that Americans say about why it is that they like him now more than they did back in the first term? You know, I think one of the things that's so important for politicians is for folks to believe what they're saying and that they're keeping their campaign promises. So I think this gives you a pretty gosh darn good idea of what may be going on.

Trump's doing what he promised to do. You go back to April of 2017, it was just 46% of all Americans who said that Trump was doing what he promised to do. Compare that now to February of 2025. You know, there was a good show that was on during the 1990s called A Different World. That is what's going on right now. We're living in a different world. 70% of Americans say Trump is doing what he promised to do. And act now. I'll throw in another stat you don't need.

It is, by the way, it is almost before you even get to the substance of these polls, which is very interesting. But before you even get to that, it is hard to not just be like, what does CNN think of the intelligence of their viewer? That they actually, it's the way I'd explain this to my six-year-old, is like how they talk to you about it. It's like very, yeah, no, I get plus minus. I know the difference.

You don't have to, and why does it help for him to underline it? Like as if I couldn't see there's Two numbers on the screen and then he has to go no, let me underline now. You see the first number Okay. Now, here's the second number. The second number is higher. And so you understand that's like yeah. No, I get it This is to inside baseball, but that guy's like if you combine the Sham Wow guy with Modi If you know Modi the stand-up comedian, it's a solid reference. There's five people out there who really enjoyed that. But it is, okay, so there's that part, which is just kind of funny.

But there is something to watching these poll numbers, to watching Donald Trump. And by the way, they were comparing it to his poll numbers at the very beginning of his first term I think they had April 2017 in there so a little bit further than then Where he is this time, but that doesn't even count his poll numbers that felt dramatically lower over the next years of his administration So Donald Trump according to these polls is starting from like a much stronger place than essentially he's ever been. That is very interesting. I also will say this, and look, I'm speculating a little bit when I talk about this.

So I'm throwing this out there more as something to think about than I have a definitive take on this. But one of the major themes That we talked about on the show quite a bit throughout the election which really was You know an election unlike any other that I've lived through and one of the things that I would just notice a lot was that every every sign around you You know everything you could observe or touch or taste or feel, just told you that this was Trump's year, like that Donald Trump was running away with this thing,

whether you were looking at crowd sizes or, you know, crowd reactions to Donald Trump, anything you could feel in the popular culture throughout the entire campaign, it just felt like it was all going in Donald Trump's direction. And yet the entire time the, the major pollsters, the ones being cited here, the, you know, um, whatever it's CBS was the poll they started with there. And then they mentioned Gallup and I think ABC and CNN and a few others, all of these polls told us all election long, this was a coin flip. It was a coin flip. It was a coin flip. I mean, he was up a little bit against Joe Biden, but then once Kamala Harris came in,

she went up for a little bit, and then it came back to just being a coin flip of a race, according to them. Everything you could observe was telling you this is all Donald Trump. All the pollsters were telling you this is a coin flip. And then on election day, you have Donald Trump winning the popular vote in every single swing state. Reality was much closer to what we could observe than it was to what

these pollsters are telling you. And I got to say, I know none of this is scientific. This is why I said I'm just speculating about this stuff. But you see Donald Trump go to UFC events. You see him go to the Super Bowl. You see him go to all these things. Again, not a random sample. It's a particular slice of America that's going to UFC events or going to the Super Bowl. You see him go to all these things. Again, not a random sample. It's a particular

slice of America that's going to UFC events or going to the Super Bowl. But he is just, he's met like a king. Like people are just so thrilled. They're so on board with him. And, you know, I think about, again, this is not nothing scientific about this, but there was that, there was right after inauguration, you saw there was that video clip of Tucker Carlson walking through the streets of Washington, D.C. And he's getting like a hero's welcome. Like I would have a couple of years ago thought it would be dangerous for Tucker Carlson to walk the streets of Washington,

D.C. And now that people are chanting as he walks by, we love you, Tucker, you know, and there is just I'm just saying it makes me wonder what's really going on here. chanting as he walks by, we love you Tucker, you know? And there is just, I'm just saying, it makes me wonder what's really going on here. You know, it seems like the polls always very consistently from the beginning have, like Donald Trump's always outperforms what the polls are saying he does. And when even the polls now are admitting that he is in the positive in his job approval ratings or that 70% of Americans think he's coming through on the things that he ran on, I just it makes me wonder what the real number is.

And if it's possible that the real number is actually much, much higher than this, just something I'm thinking about. much higher than this. Just something I'm thinking about. What's more interesting to me than the poll number is just during covid they lied and they pretended like everyone was getting vaccinated. You're crazy if you were. Yep, they lied to pretend that Donald Trump couldn't possibly win against Hillary Clinton because they wanted to convince you don't waste your vote be on the winning side vote for Hillary Clinton. We know now from USAID, Politico was getting checks, BBC was

getting checks. Their entire game is to try and pretend like everything is in the world of normal and if you don't agree with them and that's why they repeat things as much as they do, that's the propaganda machine. It's interesting that CNN would get any favorable coverage to him whatsoever. And I'm almost surprised to see them reporting on this. Same as they didn't report on border stats for a long time during the Biden administration. So it's almost more surprised, like more than the indicator of the poll, the fact that CNN is forced to cover it in a favorable way and not just go, my God, I guess 5% more of

the country's racist now that he's actually ahead in the polling to me is the more remarkable story. Right. But that's what makes you wonder if it's a limited hangout of sorts, where it's like, well, we have to at least admit this to cover up the much bigger story, you know, which is something, is a technique that they use. You know what I mean? Like they will admit to 10% of the scandal so that we, okay, yes, this did get a little out of our hands. We're rolling that back to kind of let the wind out of the, the that we say, okay, yes, this did get a little out of our hands. We're rolling that back to kind of let the wind out of the, you know, let the air out of the movement that's

furious about the other 90%. So if even that's, that's what makes me think that if they're even admitting that this guy is in the positive in his job approval rating, then perhaps it's them covering up the story that he's way in the positive. Again, as we've said for a while now, you know, when this guy says we live in a different world, I did enjoy that show, by the way, when he says we live in a different world, it's like, well, why are we in a different world? And really, the obvious answer here is that we lived under four years of Joe Biden. And it's impossible to not

contrast Donald Trump with the last administration, like with all administrations, it's impossible to not contrast Donald Trump with the last administration, like with all administrations, it's impossible to not to some degree contrast them with the last one. And by any objective measure, Donald Trump, by just existing, is so much better than Joe Biden. We're also not three weeks into hearing about how he's a Russian asset. So it's it's I mean, they're also the polls just started. Let's see if he goes and he redevelops Gazan, what that does for his polling. Well, we'll get into that in a second.

Obviously, we have to weigh in on the Gazans. But if you just think of how much of a change it is from cooking up a fake Russia collusion story to actually reporting, hey, the American people like this guy so much, that to me, that's a massive change Going from the entire media apparatus just undermining you to actually giving the honest information of wait people like this guy Yeah, yeah, and and of course it's like Why look I? Guess I'll start with this right because what you said there even about the Gaza thing and we'll we'll get into the

with this, right? Because what you said there, even about the Gaza thing, and we'll get into the specifics of that in a second, but it does let you know, like, look, Donald Trump is in there right now and he's got, let's just say a lot of, certainly from our perspective, a lot of good things that he wants to do, right? Like he wants the economy to be booming. He wants to get illegal immigration under control. He wants, I think on some level, for there to not be foreign wars like this. He wants to end the war in Ukraine. Stuff in the Middle East is a little bit more not great. But having Doge, I mean wanting to kind of audit

the federal government and cut spending and reveal corruption within government. There's all of these great things. And right now, he's got a strong approval rating. He's got this mandate behind him. He's got the energy and the vibe shift behind him. And it feels like, look, there's going to be a moment of coming back down to reality.

Trump will mess something up. There will be something unpopular that he does. This is kind of the way it always goes with presidents, no matter who they are. But you can't overstate how much you need to not fall into one of these potential disasters, because that's what could really ruin all of this. If you can keep this up where you're somewhat popular

and the corporate media and the old regime the shadow government they seem to kind of be out of bullets in their chamber it seems like they just don't have another thing to go to I mean like you know you like as you mentioned Robin you're absolutely right what were they doing last time around well they were smearing him as a Russian spy that was their game for the first trump term But after rushigate completely fell apart and after covet was just exposed for all the lies that were told It seems like they don't have another big one of those to go to like what are they going to say?

He's a Russian spy again, you know, like it just doesn't seem possible and in that environment there's when I when I say that like There's never been an opportunity To actually see a positive agenda moved forward for the country like we have right now There's never been anything even remotely close like there's just never been anything like this before Particularly with some of the stuff that's going on at Doge which I want to get into a little bit more

But that's part of the reason why it's so important that Trump doesn't fall into one of these disasters and what would the disasters be? Well, the pretty obvious ones right now would be getting into another catastrophic war in the Middle East or getting into uh in escalated confrontation with russia these seem to be the real dangers that are right in front of donald trump right now so if he can avoid that then we can continue with this positive agenda where things that again i i can't really stress this enough things that would have seemed like

um libertarian pipe dreams two years ago are now being discussed by people with enormous influence and power. Alright guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is MyPatriot Supply. We've all seen the headlines, cyber attacks on the power grids, drones flying in the sky, constant instability around the world. If you are anything like me, you wanna make sure that no matter what happens, your family is protected, and that's why I trust MyPatriot Supply. Their four-week emergency food kit is a must-have. It gives you the nutrition you need

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Our very own Liam McCollum, did you see what Elon Musk said to him? Let's pull that tweet up Natalie so people can just look at this. This is what I'm talking about. As there are libertarians who wanna fight about the latest drama on the LNC or like whatever, some ridiculous factionalism.

Our own Liam McCollum, guest on this show, great, one of the most talented young libertarians out there in the country, he tweets out, Doge and Elon Musk should let Ron Paul lead a Federal Reserve audit team, to which Elon Musk replies good idea. Elon Musk also recently shared like an entire episode of the Ron Paul's Liberty Report, his show, and to his 130 million Twitter followers or whatever it is he has, you have the richest man in the world, one of the most influential men in the world who's in charge of this You know kind of imaginary department, but seems to be turning it into some real things He's in charge. He is sharing the message of

Ron Paul he just tweeted out this phenomenal Milton Friedman video where he's talking about how the only issue that matters is government spending And that that ultimately is the tax and it doesn't really matter whether they tax you for it or print the money to make it up. They're still taxing you for it. Even if they borrow the money, they're just promising to tax you in the future for it. So the only thing that matters is cutting government spending. Like I'm sorry, but as somebody who's been in this libertarian world for, uh, what is I, 2007 is when I got into it. So what is this 18 years I've been in this libertarian world.

And this is like, this is a wet dream, man, that our ideas would ever be shared on this large of a platform. The whole thing back then was that Ron Paul got into the presidential debates and they would never give him much time. They'd give him like seven minutes total, but in those seven minutes, he could say some awesome shit that would just be like, yo, that stole the debate. And then the internet was the only way you could spread

because the corporate media would black him out. This was the John Stewart joke, if you remember. Why are they pretending Ron Paul is the 13th floor of a hotel? Because they would literally, John Stewart literally plays this clip from, uh, CNN where they go, they go, uh, they go, um, Mitt Romney is now in the polls. Mitt Romney is now the favorite to be the Republican nominee knocking Michelle

Bachman down to third. And then John Stewart's like, who's number two? They would just not tell you like they would literally report on one and three and leave out two It was so they just wanted to make sure no one heard this guy's message and now People are hearing this guy's message from like this huge being amplified on the biggest platform like that alone is so valuable but also Elon Musk has like found this team of like But also Elon Musk has like found this team of like Tech geniuses to really like go over the numbers and he's openly talking about auditing the Federal Reserve I just can't explain how great that is and you know That's part of these things are all related like Donald Trump's approval ratings being high is like a necessary

Component to be able to do anything positive with this shit. Cause you have to have somewhat of a popular mandate. That's at least part of it. You know, like we've always said for years, right? That you would need these different aspects to come together in order to ever have anything positive happen in DC. Like one, you would need popular will behind the ideas. Like you would need people who were, um, who had had been broken out of the government propaganda and were kind of like aware of how corrupt and criminal it was.

And then you would also need like, you know, elites, you would need like some billionaire who's like gets on board and is like, yes, I'm going to fund this thing. I'm going to get behind it. I'm going to put resources into this. And we just kind of seem to see at least possibly a lot of these things coming together right now. Like, oh, we have that component now. Oh, we have that component. It's a pretty exciting time. Also, and I know Rob, you got to love this, the reaction to Doge in many ways says it all. Like the fact that everyone's freaking out so much about the fact that what like these books might be opened, we might actually be able to look and see what you're spending our money on and then maybe even roll some of it back.

And you see the freak out from people. You could, if you got that, there's the other video that I sent you, Natalie, I think that I didn't put in the order for today, but it's the one with a Kara Swisher who I was just arguing with on Pierce Morgan. Um, just, we don't have to go to it right now, but if you want to just, uh, pull that one up, but isn't it interesting, Rob, as somebody who you've been talking about this stuff for a long time to see people actually talking in a serious way about, uh, government spending and then to see it's the first one I sent you.

No, not that one. It's up on the text thread. It was the one that I had sent you right at 8.14 a.m. this morning, right after I told you that I've decided to move. Yes, that's the one. Right after I told you that I was staying in Key West forever And I quit everything that was my next text after that, but hold on one second on that

But any any thoughts on what we were saying Rob? What about the year in the freak out or any of it one of the parts of the freak out? Which is incredible is the people going hey, this is such a small portion of our Of how much money we spend and he goes wait sir you against cleaning up fraud and abuse you think we should just let that slide I mean it seems like the low-hanging fruit to clean that up and where's the Bernie Sanders screaming about with the millionaires the billionaires well what about the people who became millionaires because of a government check that just

goes into a thing what what about those people you got a problem with the free market millionaires, but not the green energy New Deal people, the Obama thing that just went under in California. What about all the people with favorable government contracts? What about all the people that constitute the 1% because they're just getting these government checks through backdoor handouts for, you know, transgender research in Jamaica?

Dude, it's such a great point. I mean, I don't even remember the numbers offhand, but somebody please correct me if I'm wrong about this. And I'm sure Bernie Sanders said something vague about the transfer of wealth during COVID. You know what I mean? Like, I'm sure you had some comment about like, oh, we're creating more billionaires and that's why we need to tax them, or that's why we need more government programs. But did he ever once like say like, hey, we're creating more billionaires and that's why we need to tax them. Or that's why we need more government programs. But did he ever once like say, like, Hey, well, I think it was like 40 new pharma billionaires were created during COVID. You know what? Sorry. I said it like Bernie Sanders during COVID.

But you know what I'm saying? There was something, it was something like that. Like dozens of new pharmaceutical billionaires were created during COVID. Did Bernie Sanders ever have a problem with that? You know, it's like he never seems to really highlight the billionaires that are created by government and make that argument. Because like at the very least, if that was your concern, you'd think you should have been against all the COVID policies, right? It's the largest transfer of wealth in human history from the working and middle

class to the elite. And yet you have no issue with that. They're just thinking, look, and I think this kind of says it all right here, but if you just really zoom out and think about Doge and the reaction to it, okay, we this, these are just like some objective facts, right? We, the U S federal government is the biggest organization in the history of the world. Okay. By any measurement, um, they, we spend about $7 trillion a year and we are something like $36 trillion in debt

right now, maybe approaching $37 trillion in debt. Okay. Biggest organization in the history of the world spends more money than anybody else in the history of the world and has accumulated more debt than any other organization in the history of the world and as soon as anybody even suggests modest cuts or even just opening the books everyone in this town loses their freaking mind and says it's gonna be the end of the world and that in fact this is the corruption the corruption is opening the books. The corruption is cutting any government spending. Think about for a second how fucking ass backward that is.

You know, it's like, look, the whole thing here, the whole game is that. This is big government. I mean, this is what it is, and people can sit here and they can say, as some kind of like Right-wing reactionary types will argue at times They'll say that like well It doesn't really matter how big or small the government is it matters how corrupt they are it matters how good they are But libertarians always had the answer to that like from way, but that was always the point

It was like yeah But that's why you don't want the thing to be giant because if it goes corrupt then you're screwed and so they're like no no no the problem isn't that it was so big the problem is that it went corrupt no the problem was that it was so big and it went corrupt if it was if it wasn't a gigantic organization it wouldn't matter that much that it went corrupt this is the whole game the whole game is that they operate in secrecy and they have enormous power that's it all this wealth is extracted from the American people and given to this corrupt organization. And so for that issue to finally, finally, so long overdue,

for that issue to finally be in the forefront is just amazing to watch. And I gotta say, I really enjoy watching the people spaz out over it. Because just look at what they're reduced to arguing here Look at this. Let's let's play that clip I forget the other guy's name but Kara Swisher is the one I was just arguing with on Pierce Morgan She was saying dumb shit to me and here they are saying more dumb shit to other people

I want to know who are these these young highly intelligent highly motivated Zealots following them into these buildings and shutting off payments to schools and head starts. I want to know their names. Well, you know, the local officials are trying to make that official. The newly installed Trump are threatening people for naming their names, just so you know. But go ahead. Oh, yeah, but they can unmask CIA officers who put their lives in harm's way to try and keep our Americans safe. I want to know who their names are.'s way to try and keep our Americans safe. I want to know who their names are.

I want to see Democratic governors saying, I'm going to do everything I can in my power to use the full faith and to the letter of the law to put you folks in prison. I think what you're doing is trespassing. I think this is a coup. And be clear, just because the new insurrectionist who was elected, I don't believe this is legal and

I'm gonna hold the people accountable who are trespassing and a part of a coup accountable. To just sit back and say this is on this is horrible and this is unlawful, we need to go gangster here and say, look, we are not negotiating around this stuff. This is illegal. This is a coup. This is the unlawful seizure of power. We are not going to engage in these bullshit, ridiculous arguments over Gaza and Greenland.

We are going to hold the people accountable. Here are their names. Here are their faces. All right. We can pause it here. But of course, we're now conflating Gaza and Greenland with Doge or something like that. It's a coup, Rob. It's another insurrection. This time, the coup is when a president is democratically elected and

does what he ran on doing. That's a coup, you understand. It's a coup when the guy who's democratically elected wants to open the books on the shadow government of non-democratically elected bureaucrats and spies. You see, that's what a coup is, right? See, I'm over-set. The same people who will say that I'm overplaying my hand when I call the Maidan Revolution a coup because the U.S. pumped tens of millions of dollars into a protest movement to overthrow a democratically elected president. That's not a coup. A coup you understand Rob is when you go against the good men and women of the CIA who just want to protect Americans. This is like, it's so,

it's so pathetic the game here too, because the other aspect which he kind of touched on there is that they go like you're getting rid of charity essentially essentially. Oh, if you, if you're, if you want to bring down USA ID or something like that, then you are, you know, they'll point to like one thing where they bought some kids some meals and be like, Oh, look, you didn't want these kids to starve. But this is, this is on the level of if, you know, the mafia w would buy like, you know, as they always did, right? They,

they'd buy like a waste management plant or something like that. And then you know, the mafia would buy like, you know, as they always did, right? They'd buy like a waste management plant or something like that. And then you go, Oh, we're shutting down the mafia, you know, cause they're like killing all these people and robbing from all these people and doing all this organized crime that they're kind of known for. And you went, Oh, so you just want everyone's toilets to overflow. You just want everyone to be shitting in buckets. And you're like, no, no, maybe we could do that part without the murder. You know what I mean? Like, maybe it's that's really what we want to be shitting in buckets and you're like no no maybe we could do that part without the murder you know what i mean like maybe it's that's really what we want to shut down but that's what they're

trying to convince you of now that in fact right that look even when you think about the uh the most um drastic cuts that have been proposed right like i think when the vague rama swami was still with doge I think they had they had proposed two trillion dollars in in cuts two trillion dollars in cuts would take us to like 2017 levels of government it would just be going back to pre-pandemic Which by the way, this is how it always works the ratchet effect of big government There's some emergency and they go look we need record high government spending for that emergency. And then that becomes the new baseline. And then we increase from there. Right? So like if we had to like, say, we had to turn government spending way up in 2020 during COVID, that was the justification. Well, why can't we go back to 2019 now?

Isn't COVID over? Oh no, that's just normal forever. Now, same with, uh, George W. Bush's spending levels after nine 1111. It's an emergency. There's 9-11. We have to increase government spending and by the way we're never going back down. We've never seen pre-9-11 levels of spending since then. Obama, the 2008 fiscal crash, the answer to that was the stimulus package. Again, the same thing. Just a different word for the same thing. Increase government spendings. Do we ever go back to the George W Bush level spending? Nope And by the way, just to be clear when Elon Musk and the Vaker on the Swami proposed a two trillion dollar cut

They're not proposing we go back to the pre 9-eleven levels. They're not proposing we go back to the pre 2008 crash levels They're proposing we go back to the pre kovat levels and we're supposed to act like in 2017 when the biggest most powerful organization to ever exist was the US federal government that somehow if we go back to that now that is the wild wild west you know what I mean that is like that is cutting government to the bone and we could never survive on that it's all all bullshit. It's all an illusion. The truth is we could go way smaller than that and we would just be better off for it.

I remember that guy was a real douche on COVID as well. And I'd like to see him regrow his hair because I don't like him bringing such badness to our bald community. Well, there's so many great bald leaders out there. Yeah. And yet this you, Larry David, that's all I can think of. But there's, I'm sure there's others.

He's, he's not representing our community well. That's true. So I'd like to disavow him. And same as I've disavowed some Jews and said, I don't like those Jews. That guy doesn't represent me or my fellow balds. That guy does not represent true baldness. The message of true baldness was always one of limited government and peace and prosperity. I agree with you completely. Now, my second thought on this is that, you know, like I kind of look at Doge. If I worked in an

office, some boss came out and said, hey, we're selling the following product, and you think they're being a little bit too aggressive with the marketing, but then it turns out the customers are real happy with the product. And you go, all right, I don't really like the way we marketed this, but I guess everyone's happy so it worked. I don't know that I love the Doge mechanism. Look at what happened with the Hunter Biden thing. He had the Republicans investigating that forever. I listened to that cattle rancher a million times

talking about 20 companies, this, that, or the next thing. It could be Elon Musk with his three wizards and some AI algorithms can actually cut through the entire government's budget and tell us where all the fraud and abuse is going to. And I don't understand how you take the other side of that we should not get rid of the fraud and abuse from government.

You were saying, if that's the end result, so fine. Maybe there would be a better mechanism for how to clean this up, and maybe Elon Musk, even if he's appointed by the president, shouldn't be allowed to have a private company also. Even so, there are government contracts. Microsoft has a government contract for the cloud, or maybe it's Amazon at this point. So and he's not even getting paid for this work. So he's in it's from the directive of the president. But so all I'm saying is, even if you take issue with the mechanism that it's Elon Musk doing it, what about the end result that we've seen so far? Do you think is against the American people? Listen, I would totally be open to the argument

that this is not the ideal mechanism if anybody could present me with a plausible alternative to where maybe we'd get some of this action from. Yes, you're right, strictly speaking, this should come from the Congress. And the Congress should be abolishing all these organizations, auditing all these organizations, but that ain't happening. And so, you know, yeah, I would rather some of the things

that Donald Trump's done through executive order, I'd rather they be done by the legislative branch and let him sign it into law. That would certainly, if you wanted to end birthright citizenship or if you wanted to, you know, whatever, ban men from competing with women in sports or if you want to do it, yeah, it'd be better off to have legislation that the next president can't just undo with an executive action. Okay. Present the lit. You know, it's like I want to audit the Federal Reserve. Thomas Massey just introduced a great bill to audit the Federal Reserve. Okay. Is that going to pass? Because then if not, I got to be honest, I think like I'm against tyranny. I'm for individual liberty and natural rights.

I'm against tyranny. I'm not that picky at this point about what method is used to roll back the tyranny and advance the individual rights. I don't know. I just don't really think we're in a position to be picky about the methodology. It also, it'd be tough to say, let's say Elon Musk just made these recommendations of, hey, I found the following fraud and now Congress has to decide not to fund that fraud, which would then be pretty ridiculous of Congress to go, no, we're going to continue to send checks to the BBC.

We're going to continue to buy Politico memberships at $40,000 for a subscription. We're gonna continue to send trans money down to Afghanistan. I don't even understand the argument though that if Donald Trump wants to give data access to somebody to expose fraud and abuse, that that should be illegal

or that that should be considered a coup or that in some in some ways dangerous. Can you explain to me how the access to what should be public and transparent data is dangerous? Yeah. Or how someone who's probably has better and more secure technology than I bet the Blackberries or whatever the government's working with and if you're the president you can declassify information so if you can declassify information how can you not say, hey, I want this person to be able to access this data? As the guy, as your fellow Baldy was saying to you, Rob,

he goes, I don't even want to argue about this. There's a reason why he doesn't want to argue about this. Because you have no argument. Yeah, present the case. What is the danger here? You can just say it's a coup. And also, by the way, and this is where you realize, it's so, it is something, I mean,

I've been beating this drum for so many years at this point. But it's just so true that this is not a left versus right issue. This is like an establishment versus dissident issue. This is a who wants to protect the regime and who wants to restore the republic. Yeah, that guy probably has a USAID check. Yeah, it's, well look. Because he's been out out showing some bullshit and he doesn't want his money turned off

Look, it's one thing it's one of the things that I find to be unfortunate that that still exists that people just get and I'm not saying like left and right aren't useful concepts. They certainly are But it's when people you'll see a lot of the trump supporters like the left is freaking out or something like this look if you if the c CIA is brought up and your definition of the CIA in your head is These great american patriots who are just out trying to save people's lives and you're going to unmask them You know like as if as if it's taken

As an a priori given that the cia are just the good guys And so if they do anything in secret then you're the bad guy for trying to reveal their secrecy. Think about that. That is not a left or a right-wing position. That is a I am a defender of the regime position period and nobody I mean like nobody what like how brain-dead would you have to be to actually believe that? Who thinks that that's what the CIA does? Just a team of good guys, just a team of good guys who are always out trying to protect

Americans. That's just what they're driven by. It's Jack Bauer, it's real life. That's what they're doing. They're just always trying to torture the truth out of somebody so that we save everyone's lives. Who doesn't recognize that the CIA is a paramilitary organization that lies the American people into war after war after war that commits covert

military actions that are not Totally undemocratic that are not even decided by our Democratic leaders most of the time I mean come on Exposing the secrecy and the corruption of the CIA makes you the good guy Not the bad guy and if you have the opposite worldview, then I'm sorry, that's not, that's not a left-wing position. That's just an evil defender of the regime. And I, you know, that's a, I wouldn't be surprised if you don't want to debate

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back into the show okay yeah site crashed a second, but we're back up and running guys. All right. Let's, uh, let, let's move on here because I do want to make sure we hit both of these things. And this is what happens when we're off for too long. I'm, uh, I'm, I'm backed up and I want to make sure we get all of this. So first, we haven't yet. So we got talk about the Trump-Gaza proposal, which, ah, look, I just. That's our rubble, our bombs made it.

We own it now, we demolish the area, we're gonna rebuild it. Well, it really is, right? Israel breaks it, we buy it. I guess that is the lesson to be learned. If you break it, you buy it, but the you is Israel, and then the other you has to be us look man and and

Like I again I say this as somebody who just said everything I've said on the show so far and somebody who supported Trump in this election and is just You know cautiously optimistic but incredibly hopeful about what could actually be accomplished in this administration. This, I do not think this plan is going to happen. I think it is, um, almost inconceivable that he could actually get Egypt and Jordan to take in the Palestinians from Gaza. Um, but I,, but I I just I I to be clear here This is about as awful a proposal as you as any president could make and this is and it and it Part of what's so horrible about it is that it has the potential to like ruin all these other positives

Like if donald trump actually were to try to go through with something like this This could really sink his administration it could plunge America into another just Catastrophic quagmire and it could undo all of the good things He's done and all of the potential good things that he could do With this high approval rating and this new mandate and and all the energy behind the Trump administration. So man, I You know, I don't think this is actually going to happen. I think this is kind of a Trump first, you know, whatever it's like the way his mind works is that he's a real estate developer. So he goes out oceanfront property, money could be made off this he's floating out an idea that I think he believes is going to put pressure on the other Arab nations. But even that is just terrible because that's not really who needs pressure put on them.

Like the idea that you're pressuring any of these other countries, like look, even someone said to me when I was trashing this idea on Twitter and someone said to me, no, Dave, what he's really doing is putting pressure on Saudi Arabia to come to the table now and to negotiate in good faith It's like dude go look at Saudi Arabia's proposed peace plan. It was totally reasonable already They took the same I mean It's it's pretty easy to propose a peace plan in this region because the same plan has been on the table so many times

Before which is what 67 borders, you know, like a two- solution. Like you guys have to stop occupying Palestine. Palestine has to stop suicide bombing people in Israel. Like that is the, everybody knows what the solution is. But the idea that people are saying, which is what seems to me to be the most common defense of this insane proposal that Donald Trump floated out, which is like, gotta try something new, gotta shake it up. the status quo hasn't been working it's like okay well I agree with you on that what exactly is the status quo oh yeah the status quo is

unconditionally supporting Israel in no matter what no matter what they want to do now even if what they want to do is against what the president wants them to do they'll still get their check in the mail they'll still get their bombs in the mail. They'll still get their bombs in the mail. I don't think you send bombs by mail, but you get my point. That's that's been the status quo. So you want to shake things up and try something new. Okay, how about America not funding Israel anymore? That's something new. How about a Palestinian state? That would be something new. So don't just give it no just to shake things up and try something new doesn't mean we will go ethnically cleanse the Palestinians out of Palestine for you Israel since that's been your goal all along It's like oh, I don't know like I'm all for you know

I thought when Michael Knowles was defending at the other day and he said that he goes well You know the definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, and it's like yeah is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. And it's like, yeah, okay. But that doesn't mean that the definition of sanity is you just suggest anything that's different than the same thing. You know, like, yes, if you have a headache

and you take Advil every single day and the headache won't go away, then yeah, taking Advil the next day and thinking the headache is gonna go away maybe is a little bit insane to think the same thing is gonna work this time when it hasn't worked but that doesn't mean hitting yourself in the head with a hammer is a great proposal. You know what I mean? Like just cuz it's different

doesn't mean it's the right thing to do and no this would be oh my god what it first of all the idea it's so not based in reality. The idea that you're gonna get Egypt and Jordan to take in the palace. By the way, one thing you might've noticed from the press conference, Rob, is that Trump said, he said all of them, and he said either 1.6 or 1.7 million. So by the way, you know, the latest numbers were that there were 2.3 million people in Gaza. And so I'm just saying, I don't know exactly where he got these numbers from, but I've always said from the very beginning of this, that the people who were arguing over whether the Ministry of Health's numbers were accurate, And so I'm just saying I don't know exactly where he got these numbers from but I've always said from the very beginning of this

That the people who were arguing over whether the the Ministry of Health's numbers were accurate or inaccurate that this was all a complete like non point and that if you just look at what Israel's doing here and you look at the population density and you look at The number of bombs that they've dropped that there are gonna be hundreds of thousands of people who die as a result of this And it's a lot of them die, which is what always happens in war. A lot of them die from secondary effects. You know, like they're, they don't necessarily die because a bomb dropped right on top of them and kill them.

They might die because they couldn't get medical treatment because all the medical resources are have been exhausted due to the war. You know what I mean? Like there's you blow up hospitals people die for unrelated reasons And so anyway, it's a interesting window into what the real numbers are there But Donald Trump makes the point that oh these other countries will take them and then we can go in there and build up But look, here's the bottom line How are you gonna make them leave? I Mean they they've stayed through all of this.

They've stayed through decades and decades and decades of brutal occupation, of brutal blockades. How are you going to make them leave? And if the US owns it, as Donald Trump said, we're taking it over, the assumption would be that we have to make them leave. So you're saying what? We're going to send the US military in to now fight

a war with Hamas? Something that Israel's been unable to eliminate Hamas by all intelligence reporting. So what we're going to take that on now. And also, is there any thought at all to like understanding that this has been at the center of the Muslim world's beef with America? Like this is the reason why we've had to deal with the Al Qqaeda problem why we had to have This this terrorism issue to begin with do you have any idea like how much that will increase? if we were to actually go in and just Just transparently nakedly finish the ethnic cleansing for israel. It is just it's a disastrous proposal um, and I I truly hope it ends Soon like dude even entertaining this. I don't know if there's anything you want to add to this, Rob.

It seems particularly cruel. And for as much as I fought back on the sanctity of borders and Putin talk because of all the things we've been doing in the world, and there was, you know, I think we provoked him and, you know, sure, we're moving a military close to him. But the idea of Israel being able to bomb its neighbors out of the territory and then just keep it seems seems like it shouldn't be part of the world in 2025. Yeah. Well, listen, here's a let's play here.

Donald Trump did elaborate more on this for some people who were arguing with me that he wasn't saying that the Palestinians would get kicked out some of the things he was saying in the Netanyahu conference also where he goes the Palestinian people have just been unlucky and no matter how long they're gonna be here Yeah, it's like he's just describing as if it this was the result of an alien invasion You're sitting next to the guy who did it. Yeah sitting next to to him and going, the place has been destroyed. It's unlivable. It's horrible that people have to live like that. And he's like, yeah, no, I agree. You totally should kick him out for us now.

And then, of course, Donald Trump. He speaks in kind of coded language. But at the same time, I know who this guy has always been, what his position on Israel has always been. I know the people that he has around him in his cabinet. And I know that Maryam Adelson, our Palestinian friend, gave him $100 million. So it it's like people are like oh he's not really saying this he's saying this like nah it seems much more likely this

is actually what he's saying he said Gaza would be for the people of the region which sounds like the Palestinians would have to go yeah so if it's not for the Palestinians who are these people of the region that it's for sounds like Israelis would be the answer to that? Okay, and here a bunch of people were arguing with me on Twitter. No, no, no, no He's just saying relocate them while we clean up all the mines and then they can go back in Well, here is Donald Trump addressing that on his Super Bowl interview with Brett Bayer Will build beautiful communities for the 1.9 million people will build beautiful build beautiful communities, safe communities. Could be five, six, could be two. But we'll build safe communities a little bit away from where they are, where all of

this danger is. In the meantime, I would own this. Think of it as a real estate development for the future. It would be a beautiful piece of land. Would the Palestinians have the right to return? No, they wouldn't, because they're going to have much better housing, much better. In other words, I'm talking about building a permanent place for them, because if they have to return now, it'll be years before you could ever.

It's not habitable. It will be years before it could happen. I'm talking about starting to build. And I think I could make a deal with Jordan. I think I could make a deal with Egypt. We give them billions and billions of dollars a year. We'll build beautiful. Communities. Just to be clear, this is the, this is what he's saying. We'll build them a big,

beautiful refugee camps and they'll love them so much. They'll love the refugee camps in Egypt so much that they will, I don't know, whatever. And I got to tell you, I also do think, you know, for people who argue with me about this and they're like, no, no, no, this is art of the deal stuff. Well, first of all, it doesn't make any sense. He's not putting pressure on the people you'd need to put pressure on to actually get

to the right deal at the end of this. And number two, I do not think there's any practical way that this can be pulled off. You know, he can sit here and say, oh, we give foreign aid to Egypt and Jordan. That is true. And people will point out, like, they'll go, oh, well, look, Dave, he was able to threaten tariffs on Mexico and Canada

and get them to send 10,000 troops each to the border. And so look, he's going to get these concessions out of them. Look, I understand why people feel that way. All you're really saying is that you don't understand the region at all and you don't understand the history and you don't understand the issues here and that's fine not everybody has to but it is such a wildly different ask to ask Egypt and Jordan to take in nearly 2 million people than it is to ask Mexico to send 10,000 troops to their border. That is not a regime

Threatening request that you're asking of Mexico Like the Mexican government does not believe that they will fall if they put 10,000 troops on the border but in Egypt last time you had elections the Muslim Brotherhood won and Then there was a military coup and now there's a military Dictatorship where they're holding that Muslim Brotherhood down you think they're just gonna take in a bunch of people from Hamas and change around those numbers in Jordan you have a I don't know the exact percentage split right now But it's close to 50% of the population is Palestinian. Okay, you think think the Hashemites are going to bring in another 500,000 Palestinians to

give a majority or like that much more of a majority to the pack. It's like these are very difficult questions to ask, but there are very, I should say very difficult things to actually achieve. But the idea that look, but first of all, in theory, if the people of Gaza if we got them like if we gave them the option to relocate Somewhere while Gaza is rebuilt and then they could move back in after and they voluntarily wanted to do that I'm not like necessarily opposed to that. Like if you got Egypt on board to be like, hey, we have these facilities They can stay here until this thing is rebuilt and then they can move back That's one thing but if you're actually talking about this is just blatant ethnic cleansing if you're saying that we're just going to against the will

We're going to force nearly two million people whatever's left of that two million people We're going to force them out and then make it something for Israelis to come and live in that is just That's just so wrong and so not our responsibility to do. It's just a disastrous proposal. Really hope that Donald Trump changes his mind on that one. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Moink. I love this company so much,

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That's moinkbox.com M O I N K B O X dot com slash P O T P to get fresh delicious meat from local family farmers delivered right to your door. Moinkbox.com slash P O T P. Alright, let's get back into the show. Also, there's a back into the show. I also there's a lack of conversation about the Israel responsibility for all the homes that they've demolished. I mean, human life is an issue, obviously, but all these people, they got lost their homes like they're just returning to nothing. Yeah, it's like, and then when the ceasefires over, they go back to the

south. This keeps like well I don't even you know I mean there's not much of a conversation here about Israel responsibility or what the plan is I Could not agree more alright listen. I just let's let's move over because I just do want to make sure I get this in today so evidently there's um the the no agenda podcast with Adam Curry is the host of it. I'm not familiar with it. I've heard of the show before, but I'm not super familiar with it. I know Adam Curry was a, was a MTV VJ like way back in the day, but anyway, he's a podcaster.

And I guess he's been in the podcast game for a long time and they recently, uh, I just saw this earlier today that they were, uh, they were attacking Scott Horton on the show and then I listened to it and it was from our show. Uh, it's, it's the, I think the last time I interviewed Scott. Um, and so I just look, nothing personal against these guys, but Scott Horton's my guy and I'm simply not gonna allow him to be Criticized in this manner without responding. So I do want it to play this I think we can probably get through it pretty quickly. I listened to I think most of it and

seemed like it wasn't Anything too challenging to smack down. But so I just but I wanted to be on record responding to this because if people are going to play clips from our podcast and go after our best foreign policy guy, I think there should be a response. And honestly, if I just being completely honest, I think the work Scott Horton does is too important for him to need to waste his time with this. So let me just handle it and then we can move on back to fixing the world.

Okay, so here is the No Agenda podcast with Adam Curry as they start discussing the great Scott Horton. It's kind of interesting, because this again is more whining and moaning and groaning from NPR. All right. I also have this week in Trump, I got some Scott Horton stuff. Scott Horton's

stuff is interesting. What do you want to do? I mean, I've had enough NPR whining. Okay, well this is on a podcast. This is Scott Horton, who's a writer. He did this book called Provoked and Scott, he's a lefty, but he's a Trump, he voted for Trump because he got, he says, and he's done a lot of books You can look him up. Okay, so Look, man Wrong and wrong

Scott is not a lefty. He did not vote for Donald Trump. So you start this you go Oh, this is actually really interesting I just never quite understand these people who like they they launch into a topic on a podcast And they have not familiarized themselves with the most big like one google search of scott horton and you'd be like Oh, he started the libertarian institute So like okay that you would probably find that out In fact, I think one of them is googling as the other one's talking because they come to this in a second But just so you guys know no scott is not a lefty. No, Scott did not vote for Donald Trump like both

So you're just starting with you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Not the best start. Let's keep playing On Amazon But he's a he votes for Trump because he thinks the left is doing nothing but lying to him And he finished he says is such an insult that he has to vote for Trump even he thinks the left is doing nothing but lying to him and he sees it as such an insult that he has to vote for Trump even though he hates him. The trolls are saying he's a libertarian. Oh, okay, so the trolls are saying he's a libertarian is the next line. That's really funny.

So someone corrects them there. They didn't even Google it to find themselves. Just one of their own listeners is like, ah, the guy's a libertarian. Okay, first of all, just think about how brain did that. So he goes, he's a lefty, but he voted for Trump because he says the left never stops lying to him. Well, that doesn't really sound like the way lefties usually talk.

And no, he didn't vote for Donald Trump. So you're because he voted for Donald Trump because you're already wrong because you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about. There were some of us libertarians who broke and voted for Donald Trump. I was one of them Scott was not so you know

Just know something before you come at some especially before you come at someone as fucking brilliant as Scott Horton Know the first goddamn thing. It's amazing. I understand going to hey, I'm not too familiar with this person Let's get into what they said and we do that quite a bit particularly me. I'm more guilty familiar with this person. Of course, of course. Let's get into what they said. And we do that quite a bit. Particularly me, I'm more guilty of that when you bring something up. Oh, I'm doing it right now. Literally right now. I don't know anything about Adam Curry,

but I'm not coming out going, here's the problem with Adam Curry. He's a Buchananite paleo conservative who voted for Bill Clinton. Because none of that's true, and why would I just say that? Right, and to speak so authoritatively to go, I know that he's a leftist and he specifically voted for this reason

Yeah, not even the humility to go like um, like I think the guy's a leftist I believe he voted for Donald Trump You're just saying it like these are the facts and you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. It's so goddamn embarrassing All right. Let's keep playing. Libertarian. Oh, yeah, that's what he calls himself. Okay. himself. Libertarian by any other... Libertarian, yes, he's a libertarian technically. And he was one of those libertarian... Everyone's a libertarian once in their life. That's like... Why isn't libertarian someone who doesn't want to admit they're a Republican?

Or they don't want... I don't know what, you know, looking back on it, I have no idea what a libertarian is supposed to be. It's like they want to legalize drugs and people should be free to have sex with whoever they want. I think that's the whole thing. By the way, this is just true in general in political commentary. Whenever you say, you know, I have no idea. I don't even know what I really even have no idea.

That's not the brag you think it is. That's not really you're just saying you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. And so you're reduced to the most pathetic of straw man's of a libertarian is a Republican who doesn't want to admit that he's a Republican. Oh, a libertarian. What did he say? A libertarian. They just want to legalize drugs and say you should be free to have sex with who you want to. Well, like, yes, we do believe in legalizing drugs. That's not something Scott Horton has ever specialized or talked about too much, I don't think. But that is true. That's the libertarian

position. We also have arguments for why we believe that's the case. What is this comment about you should be free to have sex with whoever you want to first of all Are you arguing people shouldn't be free to have sex with whoever they want? I mean assuming we're not talking underage children here. Obviously none of us agree with that, but are you arguing that like Should orgies be illegal or should homosexuality be illegal? Like what's the counter argument to that? Actually, that's not just a libertarian position That is just every American doesn't really believe I mean, okay Outside the tiniest sliver of fringes

It's pretty much the consensus in America that voluntary sexual acts between consenting adults should be legal Whether they should be praised or should be promoted might be more of a contentious issue, but should be like what are you differentiating yourself? No, no, no. All you're trying to do here is poison the well because you know nothing. You don't know who you just found out the guy's a libertarian because one of your listeners told you that you didn't know who he voted for. You know nothing. So you'll just poison the well by being like he's one of these sex freaks you know he's one of whereas i challenge you find me one example ever in the does i think scott horton i think the scott horton show is up to 6 000 episodes like they've been doing he's been doing the show for a very long time and then all his interviews on all the other

shows scott horton has done like a hundred thousand hours of podcasting. He's written three incredible books. Then he had a couple other books that were like transcribed of podcast interview in all of his work. Find me one time where he talks about weird sex stuff. That's your challenge. He's like there's just never a topic that's got

he's a foreign policy specialist. Occasionally, he'll do an interview about like other libertarian issues that he cares about. There's a few domestic issues that he's kind of known for. Like he's known for being a real critic of Waco. You know, he was against burning babies alive. Ruby Ridge and he's talked about OKC a bit. But like this sex, this is just nothing,

but like, let me just get you, let me get you to have a preconceived bias about who this guy is. Um, and here we're racing up against time. So let's, let's keep playing. He's on CNN all the time. I've never seen him before. Okay. Oh yeah guys. Scott Horton is on CNN all the time. Were you guys, were you guys unaware of Scott's numerous CNN appearances?

Scott's never been on CNN. He's not a leftist, he didn't vote for Trump, he's never been on CNN. Like at what point, by the way, if you're the other guys, if you're Adam Curry and you're listening to me respond to you, right here, wouldn't this just be the point where you go, all right, I was kind of speaking out of my ass? You know what I mean?

Like when you start with that, what was, you're just, just objective claims, every single one of them wrong. How about you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You brought up a guy who you know nothing about and you're pretending that you know anything about him. Let's keep playing. He might be I don't watch CNN. So let's listen to here. He so he's got a lot of tidbits that are interesting. And this is him on on Kushner. He was reaffirmed

in that thinking. Oh, I'm sorry, wrong one. Here we go, on Kushner. Here we go. And does Donald Trump know any reason why in the world he shouldn't just let Netanyahu, as he said, quote, quote, finish the job, is what he told Netanyahu the other day.

Well, what do you mean by that? How about, well, we finished cleansing all of historic Palestine, and we'll call it greater Israel. How about that for finish the job? And what does Donald Trump really care? His son-in-law, and I guess people don't know this, it seems like they should talk about this every day all the time.

His son-in-law, Jared Kushner, you know, the guy who was in charge of his entire Middle East policy for four years, is Benjamin Netanyahu's godson. The whole time when he was a young boy growing up in New York City years is Benjamin Netanyahu's godson. The whole time when he was a young boy growing up in New York City, when Benjamin Netanyahu would come to town, he had to sleep on the couch because Benjamin Netanyahu would sleep in his bed. Google that. Google it. Okay?

That's who Jared Kushner is. He's an Israeli agent. No, please. He's an Israeli cyanim. He's here to represent the interests of a foreign power and he's got Donald Trump completely pwned like the gimp in the box on Pulp Fiction. Pwned. So Donald Trump can dress up like Pat Buchanan all he wants.

He's not Pat Buchanan. He's a Zionist and when you're a Zionist you can't be America first. All right guys let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today. Hold on a second. They almost got our sponsor in there by the way. People losing their ever-loving minds over Trump. So Netanyahu was signing something, I don't know they probably signed whoever is going to own Gaza or whatever. And the president pulls out the chair and then pushes it in as Netanyahu sits down. And the online rage when something like this, Trump is Netanyahu's slave. Let's pause that for a second here.

God man, no agenda. I mean, listen, I don't know about your podcast. I've never listened to your podcast. I'm not saying you have a bad podcast. Maybe it's a good podcast. I don't know. This is so goddamn cringy and embarrassing. Okay, Rob, this is how bad it is. Okay, because literally all the stuff I just said to you about how much they get it wrong. And I didn't even really know. So I'm listening to this clip first. And then when I hear me start reading the ad, I'm like, Oh yeah, this was on our show. I had forgot I didn't even realize they were playing an episode from our show. So now he responds and he goes, look dude,

this is what happens. Trump has Netanyahu over, he pulls the chair, puts it back in, he says, hey, maybe we take over Gaza, floats out this idea, and now everyone's losing their mind about how he's an Israeli spy, wrong. I haven't had Trump on since that. I haven't had Scott Horton on since Trump floated out that proposal.

That's not what we were talking about, dude. You're wrong on every, this isn't an opinion. It isn't like, I think you got this wrong. Objectively, you've gotten it all wrong so far, all wrong. Now, if you wanted to pick apart one thing that Scott Horton said there, he's being hyperbolic, not literal. So when he says, he's his godson, Jews don't have godsons.

But you can read in the New York Times about how Jared Kushner got kicked out of his own bed when Bibi Netanyahu came to stay at his house. He's right about this. So after you guys getting everything objectively wrong, you just sit there and giggle through it like this is what they're all ready. It's another Jonah Goldberg, the reduced to being a 16 year old girl. They just giggle through what he's saying. They're not arguing with anything he said.

They're arguing that he's just reacting to Donald Trump's Gaza proposal. Well, he's reacting to it three weeks before he made the proposal. So how do you not just feel stupid? Now I'm sorry, maybe there's some people out there who like this show. Maybe they make some good points on some other things. I have absolutely no idea. I have nothing but respect for all former MTV VJs. Long live the great Kennedy.

But this is embarrassing, dude. You've got this all wrong objectively. Let's just play the end of it and then I'm gonna have to wrap up here. Boy, look at him He's he's holding his chair for him. I'm like Trump He's a hospitality guy

He makes sure you have mints on your pillow at night I'm sure that in the but everyone's all Yeah, our take on this is from the get-go is from the intelligence side, which is that we run Israel They don't run us exactly And once you get past this what this guy just always aspire for Israel blah blah blah That's bull crap, but if you want to believe that because you're a libertarian writer Even though you don't even notice what you're writing for example the book He just came out with which was provoked.

Or if you're on Mastodon. The book provoked is about how we provoked the Russians to take over Ukraine. It's got all the stuff we've talked about on this show for years. You know, the Maidan, the whole thing. Well, you know, that's what a Zionist would say, John. And so, yes, exactly. And so, the way, these guys don't have, they don't know who, they think the tail's wagging the dog.

Well, no, no, the dog is wagging the tail, so let's get over that. But okay, you can think what you want. Meanwhile, what I thought was interesting. Just pause it real quick. His only argument here is that, he not arguing with anything scott actually said He's not really making an argument when he's saying the tail's wagging the dog. No, actually the dog's wagging the tail He's just saying that like America is controlling Israel. Israel isn't controlling America again

You can't really debate with any of the specifics that scott's arguing with here and there are lots of examples where America is actually You know to some degree, controlling Israel or exuding influence on Israel. The elections, I think, in Gaza in 2005 was not a neoconzionist project. I think that was much more of a Condoleezza Rice spreading democracy to the world type project. There are examples where, but there's clearly

a million examples too, of where, no where no actually Israel has, the tail has been wagging the dog and where there are presidents of the United States of America, multiple presidents who want a certain policy done and cannot get their way because actually Israel's influence is stronger than the presidents in some ways. So again all just not, after getting everything wrong and not knowing what you're talking about. Now they're just making an assertion that's not even really a 100% correct assertion.

When he said Scott was just making the points of all the things they've talked about on the show and they've talked about made on it's like, okay. So Scott's also been making those points for many years before he wrote the book about it. I don't, again, that's just not a point. Then I guess you would say you agree on this. Anyway, let's keep playing.

Think from this guy that thinks a little more he's irked about Woodward who is a another spy agent. A spy. Spook. Yes. Pause it for a second. And I thought this was worth. Bob Woodward came from Naval Intelligence. And as a young man in his 20s,

was given the Watergate story. He was given the biggest story in the world. As a young 20-something year old, right out of Naval Intelligence. Is it that crazy to refer to him as a spook or a spy? I don't know. Again, they never have an argument. It's always just a mocking tone of voice. Like that's let, okay, I don't know any of the facts.

I don't have an argument, but I'm just going to kind of laugh through everything you say, repeat back to you. The name of the book is provoked. Is that supposed to substitute for an intelligent thought? Because it's not doing it for me. All right, let's keep playing. And then it's listening to and this is Scott provoked on Woodward as a two parter. He was reaffirmed in that thinking watching the fall of Afghanistan and how indecisive Biden was in in finishing out the withdrawal.

He's talking about Putin. Not withdrawing at all, but just botching it the way he did. And you know, the Bob Woodward book, the new Bob Woodward book has quotes from the high level intelligence officials saying that they assessed that, that they even claimed, I think, to have sources in Russia saying this was part of their thinking, was that Afghanistan made Biden look

so weak that they thought, yeah, we can definitely press our advantage now. But the problem is you got to throw out that whole Bob Woodward book because he's got a big fake quote of Sergey Lavrov on page 88. And then the whole book, the whole point of a Bob Woodward book is he has quotes from people that nobody else can talk to, but he gets interviews with. But so if he's lying about a quote that I can check on the OSCE website, then what is he saying when he's quoting Blinken and Sullivan and the rest of these people? Like if they don't dispute all the quotes,

then I'm supposed to accept them or something? I don't know, I just can't. I started to write a note in my book because I had actually, you know what, man, in that book, there's all kinds of quotes of Biden saying how right I am about everything. Like I started quoting some good stuff in there and, and Avril Haines, the DNI, I had them admitting, oh yeah, Horton's right after all, blah, blah, blah, all over the place.

And I had to cut all those quotes out. Once I got to the part where, where Woodward's lying to me, I started to write in the footnotes, well, you got to kind of take these with a grain of salt. And then like, I can't put quotes that you got to take with a grain of salt in the book where like I'm all right, I got to write in the footnotes. Well, you got to kind of take these with a grain of salt and then like I can't put quotes that you got to take with a grain of salt in the book We're like, I'm already I got a disclaim He is the most prominent journalist in America But like he just happened to have a quote in there I and I happen to be writing a book about this I have the Lavrov quote already. I know what he said. So when I read the live version of it, I'm like, hey

I know that quote. And that's not right. I can't wait to subscribe to this podcast. Yeah. Riveting, riveting stuff. Can you like maybe focus a little more instead of, you know, the hammering like that, but okay. So the second part of it explains a little more in detail, but then there's a kind of a kicker about Amazon taking his commentary off the site.

And so it's page 88, if anybody wants to check this out, and also Amazon removed my review about this, saying that I claimed I got an inauthentic copy of the book. That's not what I said. I said there's a fake quote on page 88. So I had a great one-star review on there, and they took it down, and now all the one-star reviews on there and they took it down and there's now all the ones our views are my book

Was torn or whatever and no criticism of the actual substance of the thing but if anyone wants to check the quote is the playing with fire quote of Lavrov on page 88 if anybody I'm not selling it if anybody already has the new woodward book And then go and check the OSCE websites from December, pretty sure December 2nd, 2021, but certainly December, 2021. And you'll find the quote from Sergey Lavrov playing with fire. And you'll see how Bob Woodward turns the meaning of the quote entirely upside down to he's saying essentially,

it's so reckless the way you guys completely disregard our opinion about your expansion of the NATO alliance. And then he butchers the quote into saying, Lavrov is saying that America has no right to decide who should be in its alliance or not, which of course makes no sense whatsoever because that's not what he said. The whole thing is stupid. But anyway, point just being you can't trust Bob Woodward to tell you a quote right Wow

Okay, that was revealing season of reveal We of course we've been saying this for what? since day one since since legacy of wood not legacy of ashes, but Family of secrets. Yes family of secrets. That's right, which was brought out that Bob Woodward came out of That was Navy intelligence. I think yeah, and Yes, family of secrets, that's right. Which was brought out that Bob Woodward came out of, that was Navy intelligence, I think. Yeah. And basically...

I thought you just mocked the idea of calling him a spook or a spy. Am I mis- So that's your criticism after all of that. Scott Worden is sitting here on our show. By the way, yeah, you should subscribe to the show. You could learn something. I know you don't like when people are ranting or something like that. I'm sorry, we're not just making bullshit up and claiming we know stuff about people and are objectively wrong.

Scott's going, literally what he's saying here is just talking about what a meticulous writer he is and how he's an honest enough actor that he goes, look, there was this Bob Woodward book that had all these great quotes that was like proving my case. He goes, but then I found this one Sergey Lavrov quote and he's totally lying about it. And so here's the real one. Here's the one. And then he goes, once he does that, I go, I can't use any of these because I can't trust you're not a liar. And their big critique at the end of that is just, we've been saying he was a liar for a long time. Okay, fine. So you've been saying it for a long time. And someone far smarter than you who's a far better researcher is saying it to more people.

Seems like a win. Listen, I'll say this, you don't have to subscribe to the podcast but no agenda guys, open invite. If you want to come on the show, we can argue about Scott Horton or any of this stuff if you want to but just do a little bit of research first. Get a few facts down because otherwise otherwise you're gonna get embarrassed. Anyway, sorry, I just can't have people coming at my guy Scott Horton like that, especially when they have nothing. It's amazing, Rob, that people will do a segment about stuff like this and have nothing.

All right, we're way over time. I gotta wrap. We're back. Thank you guys all for watching, listening, and we'll catch you tomorrow with a brand new episode. Peace.