Part Of The Problem - Tucker and Fuentes Break the Paradigm

Episode Date: October 29, 2025

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you agree with Obama more than Trump when it comes to Iran and stuff like that. And then, you know, I think once we actually got into it, there wasn't much of a substantive debate. but then and then we went on to like the mug club which is like the subscriber thing and we just you know talked a bit it wasn't like that part wasn't really a debate it was just more of like a conversation but anyway i appreciate crowder and the guys for having me on um i hope you guys yeah go check it out and enjoy it and um yeah how are you rob what's new i need to spend some time at home and clean up this studio i am tangled in chords right now i tried swapping microphones i got a fancy one like yours whatever improvement's coming soon all right well there you go

Yeah, I keep going on the road and, like, unplugging, it's just, it's a, whatever, it's a train wreck in here. But anyways, we're coming to the end of porridge stores to come out, buy tickets. Oh, what do you got? What's coming up? Oh, man. The two wild runs left, Bridgeport, Connecticut, tomorrow night, Thursday night in New York City, a Pubkey, which is a Bitcoin bar, fans will like that. I love punky. Great spot.

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So yeah, make sure to go grab that. All right. Let's get into some stuff today. So last night, now, full disclosure, I knew this was happening, but did not know it was happening last night. But Tucker Carlson, whose producer is actually just texting me, Tucker Carlson hosted Nick Fuentes on his show last night. It was a huge show. I mean, I don't know what the numbers on it are as of right now, but this thing is going to do unreal numbers. And it was, I don't know, it was, first of all, it was a very big.

very interesting show. I watched the whole thing. I really enjoyed it. I thought both of them did a really good job. It was a very interesting dynamic to me where just both from my assessment, I think both Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson are they're very, very good at what they do. They're both two kind of like elite level guys in this game, whatever exactly this game is. And there was just an interesting thing there. There was like a respect dynamic between the two of them there was a little like there was kind of this tension and it was interesting to see them kind of work it out together and i i overall really enjoyed the spirit of the thing um but so i'm watching it and it's kind of interesting but then of course part of it is that you go yo

people are going to lose their minds about this like it's just one of those things where you're like i mean this is there is um you know nick fuentes of course as as as you know rap has you know kind of occupied this space of being the toxic boogeyman right wing figure now i talked about this years ago five six years ago when i first had him on the show i just never gotten so many people so many people were demanding that i denounce nick fuentes and where it's like how dare you platform him and all of this and obviously like in the the five years or six years since then you know the world's changed quite a bit. And we're just in a, there's a different dynamic now. And so now, Fuentes is bigger than ever. The censorship regime is weaker than ever. The leftists who are

hysterical are more dismissed than ever. And now Nick's been doing a lot of these big shows. He did, obviously, Glenn Greenwald's show, Patrick Bet David's show, Russell Brown's show, me and him did our show, maybe not quite as big as those, but it was a pretty big show when he was on it. But there's something about Tucker Carlson that it's just different, and you knew this was going to drive them all crazy because it is a different, it is a different thing to have the number one right wing guy in America have him on his show. And so you just knew they were going to flip out about that. I don't know, Rob. I'll just say this. There is this, the right wing was always gate kept.

And it was almost always gate kept by neoconservatives. And they would keep out what they call bigots out. But really, that always meant anti-war people. Like anybody who wasn't for the warfare state always got kicked out. And so, in fact, I'd encourage any of you to go read. There was a piece in National Review by David Frum. You guys remember the foreign spy who works for Israel, David Frum, who is the guy who came up with the Axis of Evil, the speech writer for George.

W. Bush. Well, he wrote a piece in National Review in either, it was either either, it's either 2002 or 2003, called unpatriotic Americans. And it was all, the whole piece was about all of our favorite guys, Rob. The whole piece was about Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul and Lou Rockwell and Justin Romando and how all of these guys, these were right wingers who hated America. They were truly unpatriotic. And why was that, Rob? Because they wouldn't get on board with the war. That's what made them. so bad. That's how much they hate America. They side with the terrorists because they don't support us invading Iraq. And so I guess in like a larger sense, like the bigger symbol, the thing that I

love about it is that you see all the neocons now freaking out. And it's like, yeah, fuck you. You don't control the conversation anymore. And even if that means, you know, that fucking Nick Fuentes gets the thing and like you know whatever i don't care fucking you guys don't get to control the conversation anymore and you know what nick flintes makes a lot of really good points okay there's some things that we disagree on but you know what he makes some really good points on the other stuff and i actually thought it was very interesting Tucker got really into his story then i was kind of interesting to see Tucker go oh yeah that's what they do to people who criticize israel they try to ruin you And look, they ended up making you an actual Jew hater or something like that.

And then they end up talking that through. And Nick was kind of similar to the way he was on my podcast where he's just like, no, I'm not, he's like, no, I'm not saying it's all Jews. And I'm not preaching racial hatred. And that's not what I'm saying. And so if nothing else, you get this guy on record saying that, people get to hear both sides of it. I just always thought, like, and I think you agree with me, but I'll turn it over to you here, Rob. But like, it was always so, if you want.

any type of positive outcome. The last thing you ever want to do is heighten up tensions and heighten up censorship and get everybody crazy. What you want to do is have like a release valve. Hey, let's have a conversation about this. That's the path forward. Like, let's talk about these things. And it seems to me that the only people who freak out about platforming, much like the woke left used to do, now it's the ones calling others woke right, but it's the Zionist right doing it, the only reason why people ever want to suppress speech and to silence conversations is because they go, we'll lose if you can hear from the other side. Because everybody will probably agree that we are the ones who are wrong here and need to be left behind. And that's

why you want to shut down conversation. No other reason. But anyway, you go ahead, Rob. Any thoughts you have? I always think it's fun when people are panicked about platforms. And I guess it's fun when internet people are able to overcome all of that and have a big audience and, you know, climb their way onto the big platform. So haven't watched it yet. It'll definitely be on my weekend of travel activity. I did check out the Martyr Made You Recommended. And that was a really incredible listen on World War I.

But I'll have to reserve my comments till I actually listen to the episode. Yep, you did. You liked that World War I. Oh, it was great. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, it's really who does he put you there? You know, the thing about, I think I might have said this on the show before, but the thing about Daryl Cooper is I'm such a fan of his.

Like I've listened to like almost, not the entire thing, but I've listened to a lot of his long form series that he's put together. Every time I get ready to listen to one or like a new one comes out, I was like, I get excited because I'm like a nerd for this stuff. I love a good history podcast, you know. And so I, well, I should say I don't actually listen to a lot of history. He's really the only one. But I like reading about history and I like the way he tells stories. I never really got into like Dan Carlin or some of those other guys. But so I get like excited.

It's almost like, oh, the movie you've been waiting to see us out today. Like, oh, yeah, I get to go see this. And then I'm like, oh, yeah, let's turn this on. Let's listen to this for a little bit. And then like 10 minutes in, Daryl's like dragged you into the deepest waters of how dark humanity can be. And you're like, oh, yeah. And it happens to me every time.

And then I'm just like, oh, no, I wasn't prepared for any of this. I'm feeling things. And World War I Hitler was a badass. World War I Hitler was a fucking badass. And you kind of, it is, you realize like, you really can't tell the story of the whole goddamn thing without starting with that, that it was just like this kid who was, you know, lived in a very tough time compared to today, was in search of like an identity. and found it in a way that he had never found it before being a part of a war.

That was one of my takeaways was just the stupidity of putting your identity into the state or the kingdom in which you live. You know what I mean? Just hearing about all these people that were so passionate about defending the king of Germany or whatever his title was. And it's like, buddy, live your own life. Well, it is something. Well, you also see how many people throughout history have, you know, been.

It's an amazing thing to think about, especially when you talk about like the World War I meat grinder, like, and especially coming, you know, from a society like the United States of America and where we're just, we're so rich and so comfortable compared to all of human history. And we're so individualistic compared to all of human history. That's like the idea that you would ever like gladly jump into a meat grinder on behalf of this abstraction. which is like the king or the empire or the regime. And you go, I'll give up my life gladly to maybe advance the interests of this other dude who will not lose one wink of sleep over me being dead. Like, my mother will be crying for the rest of the year. But it's just a very bizarre thing.

It's very hard for us to understand. But it's important to try because a lot of people did that throughout human history. So anyway, there's a, the reaction to, to Nick Fuentes on Twitter has really been something. And one of the things I found interesting is that now there is this huge, so there's this big push, I don't know exactly what to cancel Tucker Carlson. I don't know exactly what they mean by that. Like him on Fox again?

Well, so Dinesh D'Souza, who I reached out to today and invited him on the show, because I'd actually, Dinesh out of this whole group, of, you know, what you could call like the old guard pro-Israel right wingers, like maybe not a neocon himself, but certainly neocon adjacent and was a neocon at one point. And then I guess says he broke away from them. But of that whole group of people, right? Like of, I don't know, like, you know, I mean, Dave Rubin said he would debate me, but then a bunch of people tried to reach out and set it up and he won't do it. And I don't even really want to because he's so dumb and it's just too easy. Like, what's the point? I just wanted to flex and let the world

know that he was too scared to do it. But like David Rubin's a dumb, insane person. Laura Lumer, I debated. She's the dumbest person on the internet. Mark Levin's never going to do it. Ben Shapiro's never going to do it, right? I mean, like, correct me if I'm wrong, but I brought. But Dinesh seemed like the one guy who like, maybe he would actually have the conversation.

And on some level, I almost feel like, I bet I could convince you. Like, I don't know, with Dinesh, you almost feel like, like, I'd be like, dude, if we talked, I think I could convince you, like, what's up with this? But so he posted, he decided to release some screen, some text messages from Charlie Kirk. And I just thought this was interesting because, look, obviously, after Charlie Kirk was, you know, horrifically assassinated, there was a lot of talk about all of this stuff, including on our show. And I was one of the people who released some text messages. But at least to me, it was, was a little bit of a different thing. You know, there was an environment where every, like, Netanyahu

and Bill Ackman and Josh Hammer and then on the other side, Candice Owens and all these people were, they were kind of like releasing the information that they had. And there was this big conversation about what was Charlie Kirk's state of mind before he died. And like, I had a little bit of information on that. Now, nothing, I didn't have a smoking gun or anything major, but Candace called on me and Tucker to release. And I went, okay, if everyone's doing this, if we're all releasing text messages and private letters and private communications and all of this, I'll give you what I have just so I'm transparent. It's open. Now, however people feel about that, that's what ended up happening. This is a little bit different. So Dinesh posted today, and this is the tweet,

he said, I'm posting two text exchanges with Charlie Kirk, where he calls Nick Fuentes vermin and insists even my debating him and defeating his arguments nevertheless amplified him. One can only imagine what Charlie would say about Tucker's butt-licking interview with Fentis, which like, first of all, it wasn't even that. They did like argue, but Tucker gave him pushback. Tucker pinned him down. Tucker said it's like unchristian to be collectivist in any way that you can't hate an entire a group of people or blame them. Now, Nick conceded that, so there wasn't anything more to argue about.

But, like, it's not like Tucker didn't. And this is kind of what happened with me and Nick, too. Like, I picked some points that I wanted to argue about. But then, like, he didn't really want to argue it felt like any, or he just didn't really disagree. But even when I brought up the Holocaust, he goes, he was like, I don't know. Some people say it didn't happen, but I think it happened. Maybe it's exaggerated.

And I was like, yeah, I don't think it's exaggerated. I think that, but that was it. What else am I supposed to say? You know, and like we talked about hate and Jews. We talked about racial prejudice. I don't know. He said reasonable stuff on all of them. Anyway, so he releases this text thread, which first of all, okay, I'll read it and then we can discuss this.

So for the background, Dinesh D'Souza debated Nick Fuentes a couple months before Charlie was killed. So he, here's the text message from Charlie Kirk. And Charlie Kirk says, this was a massive mistake that you did this. he's vermin and you just gave him one of the biggest boosts of his career and then the next thing that charlie wrote was you have no idea the damage you did by talking to him and complimenting him you are making him even bigger we've been fighting this guy for six years and you are the first mainstream voice to debate and give him a compliment which then uh makes him bigger and more powerful um and then it doesn't uh and then it's

He responds, but he kind of cuts off his own response there. But anyway, so now a bunch of people are, you know, Josh Hammer, who I couldn't help but respond to today, Rob, because he's just, it's just too much. Was he plug in his book? Well, no, he wasn't in this one. So I guess I really should have given him some credit for that. But he said he quote tweeted, which by the way is a really stupid way to do it, but he quote tweeted the show.

Like, you know, you know how like you put the video on YouTube, I mean on Twitter like Tucker does it's got by the way 10 million views on twitter right now holy lord um so he uh so he quote tweets that and goes the great charlie kirk is rolling in his grave grave right now simply despicable and i said what's despicable is to pretend like you speak for charlie kirk and uh also what's despicable is lying about him and promoting your book in the immediate aftermath of his death but i just want to make something clear here because i find this to be And I do think there's a major difference. There is a major difference between Candice Owens showing a group chat of Charlie Kirk saying,

I'm going to abandon supporting Israel right before his death. Or me sharing a text message where he said, hey, I think you did a great job against Douglas Murray. I actually don't really disagree with you on much at all. Like there was an argument about how Charlie Kirk felt. Okay. And the Israeli government, the prime minister of Israel, is attempting to use how Charlie Kirk felt in this moment of a big national upheaval and quote from the letter that he sent to him, which, by the way, when you look back at it, he just quoted the lines about how Charlie Kirk loves Israel so much. He didn't mention at the time that Charlie Kirk was like, we're getting killed out here. Your Hasbara bullshit is not working.

You know, he conveniently omitted that part. But when they're trying to make this case and then you're like, well, I actually do have some evidence that it's a little bit different than that. His feelings were at least more complicated than that. And then Cannes really had evidence of that. That's a little bit different than Dinesh now pointing out how he believes Charlie would have felt about Tucker having someone else on his podcast. who gives a shit like why does that matter why is it relevant to say that he would have

disagree like it's relevant where charlie kirk was before he died if you're claiming this is where he was then it's relevant to say no he wasn't there he was here why is it relevant to go like like if i wanted to have someone on the show and you go charlie kirk wouldn't have liked you having him on the show you'd be like okay that's fine that has nothing to do with with my decision, never booked anyone based off what Charlie Kirk's feelings were before, and I'm not going to do that now. And so now they're attempting, what they're attempting to do is to say, well, look, if Charlie was annoyed when Dinesh debated Nick Fuentes, then he'd really be annoyed about Tucker

hosting Nick Fuentes, which number one, that's already a leap because there's a lot of other factors involved there. Like also the fact is that Nick has really blown up recently, and it's kind of just undenevered. at this point that he's he's a part of this national conversation he gets to be here too there's no arguing that anymore and so i don't know what charlie but that's the thing i don't know and neither does denesh and neither does josh hammer we don't know what charlie would have thought but so they're trying to use that to now say obviously charlie would have hated this and therefore tucker shouldn't be allowed at turning coin events anymore that's basically the line that they're going

down when the only thing we actually know that charlie said was like over my dead by will Tucker Carlson not be allowed at turning point events. That's one thing. He was crystal clear on through a whole bunch of those messages. And he was publicly very clear about this to Megan Kelly in that focus group thing that he did with the young people talking about Jew hatred and Israel support and all that. He's over and over again was like, they're coming down on me for platforming Tucker Carlson. I will not budge on that.

He will continue to be at turning point events. And in fact, he publicly booked him for the event that he just did. Tucker just didn't event at turning points, which is obviously Charlie after his death. But Charlie had booked him on that beforehand. And so anyway, I don't know. I just find there to be something, there's something really dirty about trying to speak

for a friend of yours who just died, and you're coming out with the opposite conclusion of what you know he said when he was alive based on guessing how he would have felt about this interview. I just find that to be fucking awful and in really bad taste. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is body-brain coffee. I love this product.

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So go to bodybrain coffee.com. Use the promo code Dave 20 to get 20% off. and you're going to get delicious coffee that makes you feel great and is healthy and naturally boost your testosterone bodybrain coffee dot com all right let's get back in the show i bet if uh kirk kobin was still alive over covid he would have been doing psa is telling us all to get the vaccine there's something about uh when you get taken out early where uh you know i guess you become a what would jesus do type figure right right right now everyone's trying to enact him for their agenda uh and in this case it's an agenda for censorship and he's going

oh, well, you have so much respect for Charlie Kirk, you should know he would never, he would have hated you for doing this, but I just, I agree with you that it's a stupid criticism. Well, especially, and guys, by the way, we're, you know, if you have any questions, put them in the chat and Natalie grab any if you see any, because I'm happy to take questions from the listeners on this show. By the way, if you want to be in the live chat, sign up over at part of the problem.com. You get the show live, ad free.

You get the fourth episode of the week, which is a members only episode. The only way to get it is to sign up at part of the problem. problem part of the problem.com or i suppose you could steal it um but please don't please sign up steal it if you're not going to sign up uh but yeah so i'll take questions on that but i do i've always thought particularly to me like there's something about look obviously there's a difference between like you know hijacking someone's legacy or doing something that you think they might want they would have liked to be done you know like if you if i died and then like you raised money to buy like a thousand copies of ron paul revolution and put them in libraries around the country you could

you could reasonably be like i think this is a cool thing that dave would have appreciated you know if we did or something but like if you hide if you tried to argue for like a government policy or something like that you'd be like dude what the fuck this is everything he was against and i I got to say with Charlie Kirk, it did seem like immediately in the aftermath of his death, there were a bunch of people who were trying to be like, oh, look at all these lefties celebrating it. We should have the attorney general crack down on that. And now there's a bunch of people talking about like deplatforming and stuff. And you're like, this was clearly the opposite of what Charlie Kirk was all about.

If there was one thing that he was all about, it was like being anti-censorship, pro-free speech, pro conversations wasn't that the whole thing and like look i think one of the things that was like a takeaway to me from the the uh the tucker carlson nick foentes episode episode last night was that you know you're like hey look we we tried this your way and i don't really mean we because i was never a part of that i was having nick foentes on the show six years ago like i i i i i i never bought into this platforming censorship bullshit. But like Ben Shapiro in the Daily Wire, they tried to squash him when he was young.

Charlie Kirk said here in his own text message, for six years they've been trying to ice him out. Okay, guys, you had your shot. None of that worked. So now we're going to do it this way. Now we're going to do it the Tucker Carlson and the Dave Smith way, which is this radical idea that we sit down and we talk about it. And we hash this shit out.

And we talk about the areas where we agree. We talk about the areas where we disagree. That's how we will be doing this moving forward. And for all of you guys who have your, you're like, you know, clutching your pearls over this, too bad. You had your way in the old order. That order failed. And now we are living here.

I don't know what to say. This is just a reality. It's not even like I don't care how you feel about it. But just watching all these guys flip out. And it's like, hey, you know, you can believe, you know, there was one thing Charlie said. And I hate to ever speak ill of the dead, you know. And like I said, Charlie was a friend. I was very grateful to him for the way he treated me over this last year.

And particularly in the face of a lot of, you know, in the face of a serious pressure campaign, He never, never threw me under the bus, never budged on, on, you know, that he was right to have that debate, right to have Megan Kelly and Tucker Carlson there. But there was this one moment I remember, and that happened earlier in the year where, like, someone called in and asked if he would ever debate Nick Fuentes. And he was like, no, like, I don't debate trolls and I don't debate neo-Nazis or something like that. And he was like, that's too far beyond the pale. And I think that, and this has been a major, major theme of mine for, like, fucking 15 years or something like that but it's a little bit crazy for any right winger to say i nick fuentes is a bridge too far because he's racist and sexist and anti-semitic or something like

that it's like dude charlie kirk debated Maoists he debated abortionists he debated communists he debated i mean i said Maoist but you know he debated all types of people And it's just not so clear to me. And this is something that I think people on the right really have to think about. You know, the Dinesh D'Souza's of the world, or I guess not Dinesh in this case, because Deneh did debate Nick Fuentes, but the Ben Shapiro's of the world and the Josh Hammers of the world, they are saying, this is the Overton window here. Nick Fuentes is beyond the pale.

I would say that the right wing in America has been taking. The right wing in America for my entire lifetime has outsourced the Overton window to the left. We've allowed the left to decide where the Overton window is. Why does that make sense from a right wing perspective? It simply doesn't. The left would never allow the right wing to dictate to them where the Overton window is. We're never able to do that through all the years of a – But I'm just saying if you, for me, someone who has, I have a very different worldview than

leftists. I have a very different worldview than progressive Democrats. And I will decide for myself where my hierarchy of moral outrages is and where my Overton window is. I suppose we all have a line of someone we just wouldn't talk to because we think they're so terrible. But why is it, right? That, let's say, a lockdown governor can be debated, can be platformed, can have a, you can have a conversation with them. And Charlie Kirk had a conversation with Gavin Newsom. They sat down, had a respectful conversation, some debate, some agreement, you know. Nobody is saying you shouldn't platform that person or something like that. You could have someone who was advocating transing five-year-olds. That there's been a bit.

and lots of conversations with people like that. There's lots of conversations with people who support the destruction of Gaza. They just support, I support killing tens of thousands of children. If that's what it takes to maybe degrade Hamas, then I support that. Explain to me,

not by your worldview, but by my worldview, why I'm supposed to find those positions more respectable, more acceptable, or something like that. Because it makes no sense to me. And so going forward,

I'm just going to make, up my mind for myself i mean that going backward too i've been doing this the whole time but now the country's caught up with me rob so so now i'm really doing it going forward um so by the way i will also be happy to have a malist and an abortionist on the show i will be taking recommendations you can probably do both those at the same time i mean most malists are also but that is a good point Um, someone wrote, what, uh, what do you think about Nick's final comments about immigration and enforcing it with an iron fist? I just, just remind me of what the final comment was because I just, I was, I listened to

the thing last night and I think I was not because it wasn't a great show. I think I was just fading toward the end, um, just because it was late and I'm a week, week father. But if you remind me what the comments were at the end, I will, I will give you my thoughts on that. So Jonah wrote, Dave, are you a, what is that? A-W-G-H-A-F? Do you know what that is, Rob? W-A-F. Sorry, guys. I'm not cool. You might have just got him punked right there. Got you to say something. Probably did. to say might have just invited a demon into your home you have no idea get get finkelstein on the

show he's a mawist uh once upon a time i think i mean i think he still does um identify as a communist which is just come on norman like jesus you know look he's a um you know he's a real deal expert on the israel palestine um you know history and um he's you know he's been really really heroic, I think, in that department. And I love Norman Finkelstein. I always love figures that, like, shatter a paradigm. You know what I mean? Like, there's something about being the Jewishist guy of all time,

with the Jewish name of all time, who's the son of two Holocaust survivors, who's totally pro-Palestinian. Like, I just like, there's just something about that that I was, you know, I'm a Ron Paul guy. I liked the Republican in Texas, who's the most conservative man in the country, who says legalize heroin like there's just there's just something about that that i've always found compelling not saying that proves you right right away but there's something interesting about guys like that and i love that but like the fact that he still identifies as a communist is god damn insane

i mean who the hell who who could be smart enough to make all of the arguments that he makes on all this other shit and you haven't like you haven't just come across an argument debunking communism like it's just i don't know it's like um it's like you go to like a heart surgeon who's like just saved someone's life with open heart surgery and you're like uh i got a common cold and he goes have you tried leeches and you're like wait you do open heart surgery but you're still on the leeches thing you haven't it's just very bizarre that you you would figure just through general knowledge you had come across someone going like oh yeah there's a whole price calculation problem it doesn't work at all like it's

just i don't know i find that very strange but hey what can you say um okay so if okay so here's the follow-up he was saying that trump needs to arrest the governor of illinois and go harder on the ice protests um and that he wants to use overwhelming force um to get rid of it i guess to get rid of illegal immigration yeah i mean i i i don't know i don't know you know it's like things like that are very tricky. And I think that there is, you know, you always got to be like those type of moves actually really do require 4D chess, you know, not just the type of 4D chess where everybody claims he's doing it when he's not doing it at all. And, you know, a move like that, you got to really like calculate, okay, but what's the response going to be to that?

How do we, what is the actual goal? How do we do this and when? I think that the thing that is a bitter pill to swallow for many people, I would include myself on this, who are immigration restrictionists and who think it is, you know, it's profoundly criminal what our government has done to our own people with immigration policy. And obviously the Joe Biden administration is the clearest example of that, but it's way beyond that. I mean, it's been, it's been done really for 50 years. but it was done and i think even nick would acknowledge this at least to some degree that you know we talked about this a bit when he was on my show was like you know we can't go back in time you can't go back and so if you're actually talking about like let's just say what is the number of illegal people living in the country rob what's your you've read about it what's your best guess on it i think between 30 to 50 million i was going to say 40 so yeah well that is That is right between 30 to 50. You show me the plan of how you're going to go find 30 to 50 million people and deport all of them without turning our country into like a goddamn North Korea style hellhole because that's a worst problem actually than having a bunch of illegal immigrants.

So I'm willing. I'm open to proposals and I would always err on the side of like the most humanitarian. proposal you can come up with. I think people who are in the country illegally do not have a right to be here. And we have a right to remove them. But the devil's in the details with stuff like that. And I think it's easy. It's easy to just say. And look, I mean, I like Nick. And I thought we had a really interesting conversation. I thought this conversation with Tucker was great. I do think that what he's kind of maybe growing out of a little bit or just what it what it is at the next level after. It's easy to always have the most badass answer to every question, you know, that's easy. And it's very,

that appeals particularly to young men, you know, just always the toughest, most badass thing. You know, what's the solution to immigration? Kick the goddamn doors in, arrest the governors, kick everybody out like that's, but I think the devil's really in the details in those plans. It's like, okay, but what's really the plan here? And what actually will be the response to this? And I would, so my first fear would be that, like, Trump actually trying to do something, something like that might just set off the chain of events that just ruins Trump's presidency. And none of that even ends up happening. Like it gets struck down in the courts.

The governor ends up winning. And Donald Trump is just totally neutered for the rest of his presidency. And so it's not, you know, like the thing that's the most satisfying for like that, like aggressive young man in you is not actually always the best strategy or policy that I guess would be. I think of, I think if you were a strong man on that level of arresting governors and rounding everybody up at that level, you're going to get so much pushback, you're going to end up not actually, I don't think that's the way of optimizing deportations or correcting what Biden did. Also, if you wanted to arrest and haul off the governor, Illinois, you're going to need like

an F-150 or something. Yeah, you might be right about that. It's going to cost a lot of taxpayer money, is what... Maybe go for one of the smaller governors first and see what the reaction is. Let's go with Shapiro first. You can fit that guy. You can fit that guy on just about anything. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is monetary metals, an amazing company run by amazing liberty-loving people.

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And he said something along the lines of, I thought they were going for the criminals. Yeah. Well, you know, this is a major thing that I was talking about after Trump won the election and right before, it's that it's the old thing. It's like the civil rights movement, man. Like there were, and in fact, if you know the story, right, it was like the Martin Luther King and his guys, they picked Birmingham, Alabama, specifically because they knew they

would get that reaction. Like, the thing was, it was an asymmetrical warfare move. Like, they were trying to get the reaction. And this is part of the reason why they were, they all wore suits and they were all completely nonviolent, right? Because they weren't there to pick a fight with the cops. They were there to get on video what the cops would do to peaceful young black men in suits simply for practicing civil disobedience.

And look, there were these images were caught on camera. They're famous images that you've probably still all seen today, the dogs and the fire hoses and all that stuff. And I'm telling you, there were tens of millions of Americans. Americans who supported segregation, but even the ones who supported segregation, it was real tough for them to look at that. You know, it's easy, then this is always the case with government policies, right? It's easy to support the policy in an abstract sense, you know?

Like in the same sense, it's like, you know, I don't want around to get a nuke. Well, that's easy to say. We won't let around get a nuke. That's easy to say. Do you want to launch a war to stop them from getting? see that's a little bit different and government policy always relies on force that's the law the law the law is not a list of suggestions suggestions it's a list of the shit you must do or there will be consequences and it's easy to say i support mass deportations it's a much different thing to like

see a mother you know who's like a 55 year old who's got three kids who's getting hauled out of here who's lived here a whole life so i'm not surprised that that's started like turning some people off because it is you know and that's another calculation that I think like in the the point about frances's comment it's another calculation you have to you have to make I mean what does that do you know even if you have like the polls I had seen earlier this year there were polls where it was over 60% of people supported mass deportations the most recent ones I looked at was down from that but it was still north of 50% it was still a majority support. But then you've got to ask yourself, right? Let's say the mass deportations get

real violent. What happens to that number? Probably goes down. You know, because it's not just hard. Once you've got over 50% support, it's not just hardcore right wingers. Now it's a coalition. It's by definition, it's centrists are in there too, right? And so you, you're very susceptible to losing a lot of those people. So all I'm saying is like, it's a complicated calculation. And it, I think, it requires people who actually play 4D chess, not people who their fans pretend that they do, which is more the situation with Donald Trump. All right. Let me see. We got some other questions here.

Mower and me would be Crowder and Dave, basically. Wouldn't let him get a word in. Oh, I don't know. was that was that me being on Crowder if any of you guys saw it let me know Dave are you disappointed in Crowder

not including the consul war to be one of the ones that Trump ended oh yeah he started well it was a weird point where he started going off about all the wars that Donald Trump has ended and I was like what wars has Donald Trump ended

and he's like you know Vietnam yeah Azerbaijan and all these others, India, Pakistan. And I was like, oh, oh, oh, oh, I'm not saying like he made a phone call and then he takes credit for a war, I'm saying like, of the wars that Donald Trump was funding or fighting, which ones did he end? And then he goes, the Abraham Accords. And I was like, what wars did the Abraham Accords end?

And I just kept asking him. And then finally, he goes, the Gaza ceasefire deal. I go, yeah, okay, we'll see. We'll see. And then he goes, he ended the war in Iran. I go, he launched the war in Iran. you'll give someone credit for ending the war they launched i mean i guess you can but you also got to add in that he started the whole thing so yeah i thought i don't know i thought you know look like i don't

even i'm not trying to fight with crowder he was being nice to me by by the end of it you know i've got some some weird feelings about him for for some other reasons um and you know i didn't i didn't bring any of that stuff up on the show because it just didn't seem appropriate but like you know i'm buddies with dave landau and i don't like the way that whole thing went down But, yeah, I just, you know, I'm not even trying to be in a fight with him. I just thought that was like kind of a silly point. Dave, did you see the bounty put out on Pam Bondi? Why bother?

She's useless. Yeah, I don't know. I saw someone tweet about I haven't like looked into that at all. Don't really know enough about it to say. Okay, what do you got here? Did you think Crowder? was going to start um did you think crowder was going to start with you said impeach trump trump's better than the democrats um no i didn't really expect that but in hindsight i guess you know

that's it was kind of like the josh hammer thing it's like there it's funny because and i think i made this point a bit on the show but you know i've made this point to you guys before but right like like If you remember, right, Ben Shapiro never said my name for years. He never said my name. He did segments on me and never said my name. And what was the first time he said my name was after I called for Trump to be impeached? Because that's when all these guys go, oh, oh, see, they know Trump is enormously popular amongst the base and they know that their bullshit is not.

Like that is just so obvious, you know, right now. Like the Israel first shit is not popular amongst the base of America firsters. But Donald Trump still is very popular. So then they have me, and I'm carving through all these people in debates, and no one quite knows how to get. So then they saw that as their big moment. Like, oh, this is why Josh Hammer opened his second debate. I know I lost the first one, but the second one I'm going to open up with, this guy talks

trash about Donald Trump. And so that it seemed to me like that was where Cratter was Trump. to go even said at one point he goes oh so you side with obama on a round not donald trump and i said this is such a cheap trick man like it goes you're saying i go dude no one's a bigger critic of obama than me and obama was horrible on foreign policy but like yes there was the j cpoa better than tearing up the jcpoa yes it sure was was was negotiating with around better than bombing them yes it absolutely was but i thought i was like just with the josh hammer thing i thought it was kind of able to deal with that pretty easily because I just went, no, I'm not borrowing the foreign policy of Barack Obama.

I'm borrowing the foreign policy of Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan and George Washington. No one's more conservative than my foreign policy. I hate that shit. So I have a joke about it in my act, but it's just when you criticize Trump or you point out that he said two things that were contradictory and they go, oh, so would you prefer a Democrat? And you're like, no, that's not what I was saying. Yeah. I'm criticizing Trump to try and have a better Trump or I'm trying to make sense out of what he's

doing that's my job is you do political commentary and the guy has a dumb policy here i'm not saying that i would have preferred uh biden or kamala harris's policies i'm criticizing what trumped and you know it's a weird thing because i heard you know you hear i mean i guess just when you get when you get to a certain level you just you get a lot of feedback from all different you know areas but you know i hear there were people who were like uh um dave you know i sold out when i was supported Donald Trump. Other people were thrilled that I supported Donald Trump. Then there were people who said, if you remember, there were people saying, now that Dave supported Donald Trump, he's going to have to justify everything he does. He's going to defend him if he, you know,

bombs around. And then when you criticize him, then they all go, you voted for this. So blah, blah, blah. And then the other side goes, would you like Kamala better? And it's all just too stupid. You know, like all of this is, look, what's the point of us doing what we do? If I'm not going to criticize Donald Trump when he messes up if you're just going to always say well the other side's worse so you have to support him then okay then I should just we shouldn't do a show just hang a Trump sign up and that's it right doesn't make any sense oh too leaky that one Rob why do they get leaky sometimes what is that all right let me see what's uh let's get to a couple more questions here uh before we wrap up um uh this dude flicking his zins

Well, no, but I do it because, Rob, you told me, you flick them, right? Yes. Well, all right. I will explain. I don't, listen, I don't like when they're leaky. It's not leaky. It's not leaky. Sometimes something breaks, like a different pouch breaks.

And you end up with the chemicals that are on the inside on the outside of the pouch, which is what makes them too harsh. And so I'm teaching the kids about proper Zin usage. If you take this in and you give it two flicks on the outside, like it's a heroin needle. Firstly, it's a nice little ritual. not that I do it all the time, but it tends to get off all the dust that might have otherwise been in the container.

Now you've got a fresh Zin on your hand. So, you know, fan, watch yourself if you're going to try and criticize proper Zin usage. By the way, it didn't work. I flicked it. It was still whatever, leaguey, and I didn't like it. But I'll be flicking another one soon. Okay.

All right, here we got another question here. Dave, assuming neither Eric or Don Jr. run, how much influence do you think Trump will have and how much do you think Vance would deviate from Trump's policies if he runs? Well, it's a really good question. And I mean, the, you know, the answer is essentially, I don't know.

I don't think any of us know. I really don't have a great feeling. You know, I get the sense that J.D. Vance, J.D. Vance has views that are in a direction, but I've never really gotten the impression that he has the conviction that he will stand by those views, even if that costs him something politically. And forget even like, because you ask the question, which is actually a good way to ask it, you said, how much will he deviate from Trump's policies if he runs, which is a different question than if he wins, right? And so I think.

think the interesting dynamic here is this. And this is always an interesting dynamic in politics. This is one of the things that really hurt Kamala Harris, is that when you're the vice president running for president, you are a candidate for president, but you're also still serving the current president. And so you're in a little bit of a pickle, right? Like, and this was Kamala Harris. I mean, because she's really, really, really stupid and really, really, really bad at politics, she real i think what might be the biggest self-inflicted wound of her brief campaign rob as you remember well on the view that's right you remember exactly what i'm saying she went on the view and they said what would you have done different than joe biden and she said nothing

comes to mind and the fact that she wasn't prepared enough to know that that would be a really bad question like you've got a really unpopular president here like inflation's through the roof the borders wide open the war in ukraine is being lost and groceries are up you know 30 percent you can't say nothing you got to but she's in this tough position where she still wanted to say look what an amazing you know it's tough to be the vice president because you want to say look what a great job we've done let's keep this going but you also don't want to be attached to any of the negative shit but now think about how much tougher a situation j d van you

is going to be in, where he is going to be campaigning, but the president of the United States of America is still, listen, for those of you guys who love them or hate him, he is the pettiest human being in the history of the world. There has just never been anyone pettier than Donald Trump. Donald Trump, he's the guy who Marco Rubio once, when they were running against each other, made a crack at a stump speech about Donald Trump having little hands. And Donald Trump opened the next debate in front of like a hundred million people and goes, he said I had little hands, look at these things, nothing wrong with these hands, big old hands, right? Like, that's Donald Trump. You cannot insult him at all, or it's a declaration of war. And so that's a real interesting

dynamic. How the hell does J.D. Vance run and ever have anything where he can criticize Donald Trump on? And I'm not sure how you you walk that tightrope. But I, I, I, I think that's a real tough, tightrope to walk. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is crowd health. I've been talking about crowd health for many years. I think it's a great company, and it's a great alternative to the broken health insurance system. And they just recently launched the Black Swan membership. It's the healthcare alternative for people who want autonomy over their care, their costs, and their lifestyle.

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And then when he's actually president, he'll do a little bit more of what he actually would like to be doing. if Donald Trump is not pulling that well and he's got to beat some other people out he'll just be tactful and say Donald Trump's the most brilliant person ever and he's an incredible dealmaker and he did fantastic things and I stand by all of the work that he did

and when I have the opportunity to be in these same spots here's what I'll do differently and that's it I'll just I'll give you the pitch for for what he thinks he can do a little bit better and be nothing but praiseworthy for Donald Trump and sometimes the easiest way to do that is Donald Trump is a force and a single individual and he's able to win games with a skill set that I don't have. And so here's the policy that I would enact because I don't quite have

Donald Trump's tactfulness in negotiations. And so I would have to approach it this way because I don't have to have what he has. Yeah, he's going to have to find all types of answers like that that still kind of kiss Donald Trump's ass. But I'll tell you, even that, the issue with that is that that does come off like you're a bitch and it's tough to it's tough to be the top alpha when you still got to like you know be like i can't actually upset this guy um look again it'll be interesting i mean one of the things that you know i was i was arguing with crowder about today was that you know he he was basically taking this line against me that hey if uh if you know you were saying you want to trump impeached what that would leave us with kamala harris or

something like that. And I did big the point. I go, well, no, that would leave us with J.D. Bance, actually. It wouldn't put the Democrats in power. But I go, I was like, and I said at one point, I go, all right. So, Stephen, four months ago, Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence, said Obama committed treason and we have the proof. And she sent it over to the Justice Department. You go, do you believe Obama's going to be tried for treason and convicted? Does anyone believe that? Does anybody actually believe that we're going to get the truth on Epstein or the truth on Russia or anybody's going to be held responsible for all of the crimes that they've committed. Okay, so since we're all together that no, none of that's going to happen,

the promise of this administration was to drain the swamp. And we all know they're not draining the swamp right now. And it seems like they're going to hand it up to what will probably be close to a 50-50 shot, whether we get a Democrat back in there or not. We're supposed to stay quiet while all that's happening. We're supposed to not be criticizing this administration. No, it's not because of me. that the Democrats might win in 2028 is because Donald Trump is back in the Israelis and launching

wars on their behalf and covering up the Epstein thing and continuing to spend us off a cliff and continuing, you know, like that's the issue. That's what's going to make it. If Donald Trump actually fixed all those things, J.D. Vance would be a shoe in in 28. So no, I look at things a little bit differently. I don't think my job is to sit here and, you know, I don't think my job is to sit here and praise a politician, and I don't think my job is to sit here and, you know, think about like, you know, 40 chess for that matter. Think about what's the thing I could say that would be the best strategy for this. Like, as I've always said for many years, someone's got to just tell the truth. That's got to be someone's role. Other people can be the political operatives. That's not what

me and you do, Rob. We just talk to our audience and we tell them the way we think it is. That's what we've been doing. That's why we've grown because we've been, and, you know, we've got a really good track record on getting it right on the big issues. So that's what we're going to continue doing. Someone has to, you know? Anyway, go see Robbie on the road, porch tour.com, and you can see us.

You got one more shot in Poughkeepsie, comicdavsmith.com to see us this year. And then next year, you will have many more shots because we are traveling all over the place together. Thank you guys for listening. Catch you tomorrow with a brand new episode. Peace. You know what I'm going to do.