Piers Morgan Uncensored - ‘DEFINITION of a White Supremacist!’ Nick Fuentes Divides MAGA | With Jake Spears & Rabbi Shmuley

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

This weekend The Jerusalem Post called for the Pope to condemn Nick Fuentes - the latest evidence that a man and a movement many would rather pretend was a purely online phenomenon has become a very mainstream matter. Conservatives are split between those who believe the likes of Fuentes should be buried and ignored, and those who believe the right is now dabbling in cancel culture - especially when it comes to Israel.Why did Fuentes get so popular in the first place? And is he causing more harm than good to the MAGA movement? Joining Piers Morgan to debate is former MMA fighter and Fight Back podcast host Jake Shields, ‘The Verdict With Ted Cruz’ co-host Ben Ferguson, far-right activist Richie Black and Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and supported by: Juvenon: Take care of your heart - visit https://bloodflow7.com/Uncensored and Get 30% OFF your BloodFlow-7 order today. Oxford Natural: To watch their full stories, scan the QR code on your screen or visit https://oxfordnatural.com/piers/ to get 70% off your first order when you use code PIERS. Mando: Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @shop.mando and get $5 off off your Starter Pack (that’s over 40% off) with promo code PIERS at ShopMando.com! #mandopod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What is your view of Foyntes? I think number one, he's a white supremacist, and I think he's an opportunist that has figured out how to make money being a white supremacist. Your negligence to acknowledge the fact that his fans, his constituents, have been following him for 10 years. You know, this thing is rich in nuance. He's had followers.

Nick Foyanty's is not Maga. He's Maguette. He trades in being a subhuman mentally and conspiracy-minded, Neanderthal knuckle-dragger. He's speaking, Ginger. Z because they feel left out. Housing costs are going up. Trump has betrayed us. You can't expect me to be silent when someone denies the Holocaust in front of the entire world. Then let me just be clear. Number one. To Pope. Pope. Pope, I think the number was exaggerated.

You don't give it, S-H-I-T about six million Jews being killed. I don't fucking know how people are killed. This weekend, the Jerusalem Post published an editorial calling for the Pope to condemn Nick Fuentes. It's led his evidence of the man and a movement which many would rather pretend was a purely online phenomenon. has become a very mainstream matter. As we've talked about on this show, conservatives are openly split between those who believe the likes of Fuentes should be silenced and ignored, and those who believe the right is now dabbling

in his own form of cancel culture, especially when it comes to the other major dividing line of Israel. More's the point, many of the people clutching their pearls on both sides of the argument are failing to ask why he got so popular in the first place, and whether Maga needed and still needs the movement many would now like to disavow. Well, joining me to debate all this is just

Jake Shields from Fight Back Podcast. Ben Ferguson, co-host of The Verdict with Ted Cruz. Rabbi Smooley, author, often known as America's Rabbi and Richard Black, the founder of the Safari Journal Company and a right-wing commentator. Okay, welcome to all of you. Rabbi Smurney, welcome back to Unsensored. Nick Fuentes has a growing number of followers, a growing amount of influence. The more people have tried to cancel him, the more his views have become more widely disseminate.

and the more popular he seems to have got. What do you feel about this? And what do you think should be done about it? Nick Fuentes is not MAGA. He's MAGIT. He trades in being a subhuman mentally and conspiracy-minded. Neanderthal knuckle-drager. He is utterly ignorant.

He knows no history. And his MAGA is Make America German, Amen. He is just using a Hitlerian playbook. He says that Hitler is his hero. There's a lot of similarities, of course. You become famous by targeting Jews. He's not anti-Israel. He's an anti-Semite.

He's a Holocaust denier. Hitler traded an anti-Semitism beginning in 1921, 22, because it was the way to become the most famous. History is shown, if you hate the Jews, Jews are news. So when you ask, how did he become so famous? It is specifically his anti-Semitism. The question is, is he transactionally anti-Semitic, or is he ideologically anti-Semitic?

I think it's both. But the way he speaks about blacks, that blacks should all be returned to slavery, and that if you go to a black neighborhood, you're going to be stabbed in the neck, that they're all murderers. We've seen this, of course, with Hitler, who wouldn't even shake Jesse Owens' hands, when Jesse Owens dominated the 1936 Olympics, winning four gold medals. But Fuentes is playing with fire, because in the same way the Nazi movement cultivated hatred they could no longer contain, you have Tucker Carlson saying openly that Nick Fuentes is gay, which I couldn't care less. I have a gay brother.

But Ernst Rom, who was the head of the essay, was killed by Hitler in large part because he was gay. And at some point, Fuentes' followers are going to turn on him because just like Hitler didn't look Aryan in the slightest. Neither does Fuentes. He's not this white Norwegian Aryan Uber-Men, Superman. He's actually a short, weird guy, kind of like the way Hitler was. He has all these weird ticks.

He's famous because hatred sells. and hatred towards the Jews cells. And when you come along and you stoke those fires of such incendiary racism against blacks, against Jews, it's going to turn on you. And I think Fuentes is really at risk from his own people. I'm never going to touch him. I wish him a long life and increasing marginalization and invisibility.

But I think that his own maggot movement is going to turn on him. All right, Richard Black, I can see you pulling some faces there, so you can just go on him. Yeah, well, I lost count, honestly. I mean, I lost count of how many lies I was just admitted. Where do we begin? Where are they? Where are they?

Obviously, Rabbi Shmuli is part of the tone deaf majority who are more than likely the cause of the rise of Nick Fuentes. When you start off the conversation with lobbying insults, first and foremost, and mentioning something about his height and his looks, you're completely not. neglecting the fact that at this point, and in my generation in particular, we see this as an emergency. We don't care about what he looks like, you know, mentioning that Hitler killed strong because he was homosexual, which is not true. That's obviously a very complicated thing. Or the Jesse Owen statement, which, again, I believe Jesse Owens made a statement that Hitler actually called him to congratulate him and the president of the U.S. at the time did not. So food for thought there. But this is a cheap tactic and it's one that's been used, overly used over and over and

And I really want to warn people like Rabbi Shmuli and anybody who uses this tactic because ultimately what you're doing, what you're forcing people to do is to de-radicalize this movement, de-radicalize these words. When you lobby these words anti-Semitism and you say, well, you're not allowed at the table unless if you're an anti-Semite, well, you're putting it on us to first de-radicalize what it means to be an anti-Semite so we get a spot at the table. Nick Fuentes is correcting an imbalance in the conservative movement that's been going on for 20 years, 20, plus years. He's pointing out the obvious flaws that we need to pay attention to pull away from foreign influence and control to become a sovereign nation once again. He's never said anything about putting blacks back in chains. And, you know, if you're going to go off of clip editing and then sensationalism, obviously he's very sensational right now, you're being intellectually dishonest. Let's play a clip. Let me play a clip of the inters. And we can discuss this after we've watched it.

what are all of these groups? Who are these people? What are they actually? The World Jewish Congress, the Jewish Leadership Conference, the Jewish Federations of North America. What are we to make of this? This is totally unique.

There is no other group of people that does this. I'm Italian, Mexican, and Irish. Is there anything comparable? for any of these groups? Is there a world Irish Congress chaired by billionaires and bankers? No, I mean, that strikes for me it's pretty openly anti-Semitic

because of course there are plenty of groups around the world for all sorts of nationalities and religious and ethnic groups. Of course there are. We all know that. So the idea that somehow this is unique to Jewish people is preposterous.

The guy is clearly anti-Semitic, isn't it? I mean, there's no, even pretends to not be. No, no, he's not. He's not. I'm going to jump in again. I'm sorry, he's not. You're taking a clip out of context. You know, here's the thing.

What was the out of context? Well, first and foremost, I'm saying you have to really listen. Hang on, hang on, Rabbi Smol. Let me just handle it. Ritchie Black, I'm very curious. They did a real disservice. Hang on, when you say, Richie Black, when you say we took it out of context, explain how that was taken.

It seemed pretty straightforward context to me. I'll tell you why. Because first of all, you're taking out of context. Because you have to take in the full scope of everything Nick says, not only in one of his shows, but over the course of time. You know, his fans, the people that are loyal to him, the people that are pushing for America first, these are people that just showed up yesterday. And this is where you really lose out. Your negligence to acknowledge the fact that his fans, his constituents, have been following him for 10 years. Plus, I've got to deal with his anti-semitism.

Hitler had followers. Mr. Salina had followers. I'm just come curious. I will, Jake, I will bring you in, and Ben, I will bring you in. But just, Richie, just to be clear, you said that clip was taken out of context. I can't understand how it was taken out of context. It was very straightforward. What was the out of context?

First and foremost, what I'm suggesting is what you're lobbying as anti-Semitism. You're suggesting that, what Nick hates all Jews? Is that what you're suggesting? What is it mean anymore to be anti-Semitic? If you say you openly love Adolf Hitler, you probably probably, probably don't care that he murdered millions of Jews. I would, no, I, well, I would definitely argue if your assumption is that somebody who has any adoration for Adolf Hitler is obviously anti-Semitic, then you yourself have not dived into history and or looked at the subjugation or the persecution of those.

I can't believe we're hearing this. If I love the plan, if I love the plan, it means they're black. America must rise to the occasion to address the issue of people like you. This is the new age. Sir, so you have told, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, you have told so many lies, number one, Adolf Hitler never called Jesse Ours. That is a total fabricate, wait, that is, that is a total, that is a total, that is a total fabrication. Number two, number two, when Nick Fuente, no, no, no, let me speak, please.

Number two, when Nick Fuente says that there is no other similar group like the Jewish Federation, you don't know how many Irish Americans supported the IRA, you know how many Mexican organizations have Latino Congresses. Listen, Nick Quentes is a... And I'm... And I am... And I am allowed to bring up... Excuse me. Excuse me.

We are not talking about Jewish Americans. When he wants white Americans to rule Americans. Are you talking over each other? Don't talk over each other, please. No, he won't let anyone speak. If you love him or you hate Jews... If you both talk at once, we can't hear either of you. We can't hear either if you talk at once.

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and making tons of money out of it, is to put your head in the sand. So he is a phenomenon that he's getting bigger, not smaller. What is your view of Fuentes? Obviously, Tucker Carlson sat with him and got... criticized for not going hard at him enough and so on. What is your view of Fuentes? I think number one, he's a white supremacist, and I think he's an opportunist that has figured out how to make money

being a white supremacist. Forget the Jewish issue for just a second. This is a guy a year and a half ago that talked about somebody littering in a neighborhood saying it's a black guy, and it's always black people that do this, and he would kill him with Adolf Hitler. That's his exact words on his show, quote, this is my neighborhood. I'm supposed to be mad at Hitler.

I'm supposed to be crossed with Hitler. I want this guy dead, and I wish Hitler would kill him. I wish Hitler would have killed him, you know. The guy should be killed. The guy should be killed for what that guy should be dragged from his car and beaten to death by the public. If I was in a room with Hitler and that guy, me and Hitler would team up and blank that guy up.

We would kill that guy and we'd high five at the end. So this is an individual. who hates anyone that it's not funny when you talk about black, when you talk about dragging a black person and killing them. Don't talk at once. Let me finish his point, please. Sorry. This is the difference between,

and I'm glad that you guys are on the show because I actually think it does a great service to show the excommunication in the real conservative movement of white supremacists like you guys that laugh about killing black people or laugh about the Holocaust or deny. You picked the worst. You finished.

Let me finish. talk in a moment. I'm happy to have a conversation with you. I go back to the court here with with Nick. Nick is an individual that has figured out how to basically use Stooges like you guys to make money off of being a white supremacist. He has been excommunicated from anybody that's saying the Republican Party. He is not a part of the Republican Party or movement. There are very few people and the proof of that is the fact that you can name them. It's Candice Owens. It's Tucker Carlson. It's McFuentes. It's an extremely small group. All of them making money off of, I think, real racist and gathering them together and then acting as if they have this power. They're just

making money and trolling you guys with their white supremacy. So I'm glad that they're being called out. I'm glad that they're being exposed. I think the scary part is they do gather people, just like the KKK did back in the day, just like Adolf Hitler did, just like Mussolini and many others have. But the difference here is, at least the conservative movement, many of my good friends in the movement, are calling them out on a daily base because they understand the threat it is to conservatism and we police their own. So I'm sorry you guys want to be associated with them. I'm sorry that you think the Holocaust didn't happen or gas chambers didn't happen or black people should be killed or dragged or the N-word is appropriate to refer to African-Americans.

But this is right, right, I want to say one-on. I'm going to get... All right, no, hang on, no, hang on, I will control the panel. The Jerusalem Post editorial, which teed up this debate, said that Fuentes and Candice Owens represent a direct and dangerous challenge. They undermine decades of attempts at reconciliation between Catholics and Jews, and they prey on young Catholics, offering them a vision that fuses religious identity with outright bigotry. And the longer the Vatican remains silent, the more their poison spreads. Just before I move on to the other panelists, Ben, do you think the Pope should speak?

out. Of course. And look, real leaders lead on issues like this, and they don't see how many followers they may gain or lose. I think that's the saddest part about what you're witnessing with not only the Pope and the lack of leadership there, but with people like Tucker Carlson. I think he's been isolated since he lost his TV show. I think he's found a new audience in white supremacists. I think he gives an audience to these supremacists to come on, and he does make a hell of a lot of money. I mean, if your goal is to be a multimillionaire and to stack cash, it works. Candice and Tucker are part of that. Nick is part of that. But there's others that have to call them out and be loud about it. I don't do this because I'm trying to make money. I do this because I love

this country. There is right and wrong. There's a line in the sand. And I say to every conservative I know out there, you're either on the side of Tucker and Candace and Nick and your white supremacists hate Jews and denies the Holocaust or you're on the side of right and wrong. That's where we are. All right, let me bring in. Pierce, Pierce, keep here. Hang on. James Shields hasn't spoken yet. Can I just the poll question. I would say that I would say that I don't, look, I think he said a lot of things there about Tucker in particular. I've just spent some time with Tucker today in London, actually, for his show. And I don't, I don't recognize some of the things he said about him, just to be clear.

What, though? I mean, he's given an audience. I don't think he hates Jews, for example. I've known him. I don't think Tucker hates him. I don't think he likes him. I think he hates Jews. But this is what I would say to Tucker. And I saw Tucker recently. I've known Tucker for a really long time, Pierce.

The problem I have with Tucker is you're dabbling in anti-Semitism by saying, well, I'm not the guy saying it, but let me give a seat at the table to a very large audience of people that are saying it. You're using Stooges to say it and giving them a platform. That is no different than giving a safe haven to a terrorist if you're in the Middle East or to somebody that's killing the Jews when Adolf Hitler was around. You must call it out. You cannot sit there and say, I am not. I am not an anti-Semite, but please, anti-Semite.

on my show and let's fester this evil in the world. I will call Tucker out for that. I've had a lot of people on this show since the start of the war between Israel and Hamas, for example, who many on the Jewish side would say are anti-Semites, right? Simultaneously, those on the pro-Palestine. Wait a minute, Rabbi Shemone. Those on the Palestinian side make the same charge against what they say are the Zionist terrorists on the other side. So it depends who you talk to how these things get categorized.

And here's what I would say. If you have a massive... Right in many, Rabbi Smolie. I will come back. I want to bring Jake. Jake hasn't spoken yet. Jake, now, Jay, you interview... All right, Jake Shields, you interviewed Nick Fuentes a year ago.

I want to show a little intro to that interview where you gave your reasons for mainstreaming. Because it's relevant to this debate. Yes. Guys, I'm here with the notorious Nick Fuentes. It's a very interesting guest because you are so vilified. I kind of believe. it and fully believe it i've just caught i remember hearing like you're nazi white supremacist i just the only thing i saw was negativity about you was this negativity negativity and you had no voice you were

banned from literally everything so then i think i started texting you got a couple phone calls and you were so not the guy that i thought you were and then we have how don't know a year ago or something we met up you know had dinner in chicago and it was just you seemed like such a genuine normal guy and that's when i'm like all right i was completely lied to i was wrong about this guy i want to uh I want to do something, you know, try to help you get mainstream again a little bit, which you are starting to slowly move that direction. I just think it was, is it crazy how bad they're able to vilify you? I mean, or what I would say, Jake Shields, it's not that crazy

when you judge him by what he's actually said on the record. I'll give you some examples. A lot of women want to be raped, but they have to pretend that they don't. Jim Crow was better for black people, but who cares? White people are every bit justified in being racist. Hitler was really fucking cool. He compared the Holocaust to baking six million cookies. Now, none of those things strike me as being anything but utterly repellent.

And yet, you decided he was mischaracterized. Yes, because will you let me talk? First off, I met up to a black friend. You're saying he wants to kill black people. If you watch his show, he jokes a lot of humor. Generation Z. You guys don't understand that. And when you were talking about girls getting rape,

he's talking about rape fantasies. 56% of girls, or maybe it was like 70% of girls have rape fantasies. This is the reality. He's not saying he wants to rape girls. The cooking thing, look up the numbers. They claim they were burning bodies in 10 minutes. It takes 90 minutes to burn a body now. So there's a little bit of validity to that argument.

Nick was nice, respectful. But you're denying the 6 million Jews died on the holocrys? Are you denying those? I'm just saying it doesn't match up with the furnaces. I don't know. I'm not making a comment on that. I'm saying there's some holes in it. You are. You're questioning.

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It's ridiculous. How fast would be acceptable to you? Pierce. God, I mean, it's scared. I don't even care about the gas chamber thing. You don't even care about the gas chamber thing. I think you just expressed a desire you did. If you were Jewish, you would.

I will let Rabbi Schooney respond to that point. I don't think they burned bodies at best. I didn't even get to the point I'm trying to make. I don't give a shit about that. Yes. How many people do you think were killed in the Holocaust? You don't give an S-H-I-T about six million Jews being killed. I don't fucking know how people were killed.

Hold on. I don't know how many is killed and I don't believe it was six million, but I'm not trying to have a Holocaust debate. That's crazy. You literally are. You can't expect me to be silent when someone denies the Holocaust in front of the entire world. Then let me just be clear. I didn't deny the Holocaust.

I think the number was exaggerated. Excuse me. Jake, give me a moment. Can we get back to our subject? Jake, this is not an MMA fight. This is a debate. Number one. Number one, Pius to 12.

Okay, I didn't get to finish my point, though. Remains in ignominy and will not, and will not even be beatified or made into a saint by the church. because he was silent about Hitler, and now if Pope Leo, who is Pope... How many Christians died? How many Christians died? Against Candice Owens, who's a Catholic, or against Forty's,

he will immeasurably undermine his moral stance. That's number one. Number two, the utter wise and ignorance of people like Jake Shields, Jake Shields doesn't know anything. If I ask him the names of Trip Lincoln, Maidon, Gross Rose, and Bergen-Belsen, Furnaces. Yeah, I know all those.

Stop, stop. On every single one, they keep jumping numbers down. Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, forget how long it takes to burn a body. Let me ask you one question, since you're a great Nazi lover Lake Nekphointeis. Sure. Why is it the Third Reich?

What is the Third Reich? Just tell me, what is the Third Reich? Where's the first two Reichs? What are they? I'm not a Nazi. I don't know. I have no clue. No, no, no.

You have no clue about what even the Third Reich is. There was the Holy Roman Empire. Then there was the Holy Roman Empire. Then there was, you don't know anything. You're just using something about crematorium. But I do know, but I do know, what I do know is the reason why you want to minimize the Holocaust. This isn't what I was trying to talk about.

I had a point that I was trying to make. It's because Jewish life to you is like cattle being slaughtered. In the same way, in the same way you don't know. In the same way, you don't know. Let me jump in. Let me jump in. Let me jump in. I can't speak.

I'm jumping in. Right, Rabbi Shmooley. I am jumping. Rabbi Shmooley, let me speak. I would say this, Jake Shields. I said, hang on, hang on. You say you don't want to talk about the Holocaust, and yet you're the one that brought it up. You're the one questioning the number of people who were killed.

That is deeply offensive. That is deeply offensive to Jewish people. Well, no, I read to you some quotes by Fuentes. Right. But you're right with the math. It doesn't match. And then you say something that you have no basis for your argument. You have no basis to just.

to fight your argument. I have a lot of bases. Well, you don't, actually. They couldn't have cooked that big of keys. You don't. And actually, what you're saying, if you're saying, he doesn't even know how many others are in a house.

Please don't all talk at once. Please don't all talk at once, or nobody can hear any of you. Nobody can hear any of you. No one can hear any of you if you all talk at once. Now, here's my point. My point to you, Jay Shields, is you said something deliberately inflammatory,

which you knew would be deeply offensive. You brought the Holocaust. Huh? The math doesn't add up. The math doesn't add up. Can I finish my point that I was trying to make? This is exactly what we're trying to make. You know what?

There's a Holocaust going on today in Gaza. What's the point you were going to make? Really? Really? There's a Holocaust going on today in Gaza? There's a hog. Which holocaust? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Please stop talking all at once. See, this is...

I'll let you respond, Rabbi Smirley. Unless people make their points, there's no point having a debate. So let him finish his point. Rabbi, I agree. Right. How about we, how about being? Please shut up all of you. Jake Shields, make your point now.

May I respond? I just try to say he's speaking Generation Z because they feel left out. Housing costs are going up. Trump has betrayed us. He said no more foreign wars. What does he do? Bombs Iran. He didn't stop the war and yet Russia and Ukraine.

He allowed Israel to slaughter the most brutal thing we've ever seen in Gaza. He's talking about going to the war with Venezuela. Inflation's up. He's betrayed Thomas Massey and Green. What's he do? He's bringing over tons of visas for Chinese and Indian workers to give away to the high-paying jobs.

Regular American suffering. The young people, a lot of boomers don't understand. It's tough out there, and he speaks directly to them. And he jokes a lot. He's not a racist. He has his humor. You guys don't get it like the generation Z humor. It's edge here. They don't care about World War II. I don't. I don't think saying

there was really fucking cool is humor. Black people. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. I love the jump. I have had an opportunity. I will come to each of you, but please let each other speak. Otherwise, nobody can hear you. I can promise you the viewers at home, if you all start talking, no one can hear any of you. Ben, Ben. Yeah, there's three things here. One, I'm glad that what you just witnessed was said. And this goes back to what what I was saying earlier. You have a group of individuals that's very small that is out there saying absurd things,

like the Holocaust didn't happen, they didn't cook that many cookies, referring to Jewish lives, how long does it take to shoot somebody in the back of the head? You can figure that out, it doesn't take very long. How long does it take to dig a mass grave? How long it takes to do a gas chamber? The idea that you are dehumanizing people

that are Jewish. They didn't burn six million, my friend. They didn't burn six million, my friend, if you actually studied the Holocaust and you understood what happened and you have gone to where this happened, you haven't, dude. You don't know what you're talking about. If you did, you would not say something that's incompetent based on facts. You're saying it based on regurgitating saying you heard from Nick or somebody else. Have you ever been to Israel? Have you ever been to the caboz? Yes, I have. Yes, I have. Yes, I have. Yes, I have been to Germany. And you've been to the kibbutzs and you've been to the kibbutzs.

And you've been to Gaza where I've been. I wasn't allowed in Gaza, but I've been to Israel. Okay, so you've been to where people were murdered. Jews were killed in Germany. Have you done that as well? No. No. Okay. So you read it from someone and you believe that you're changing people's minds by implying that one of the worst moments in the world's history, the extermination of Jews is something that we should downplay and then say, well, maybe they didn't burn it. many bodies, maybe because they shot them in the back of the head or they put them in gas chambers. But this, no, I think Jews, but it's clear you would think that it's not a big deal. Why can't we, why can't, why can't, why can't, why can't, why can't, why can't, why can't, why can't, why can't, why can't, why can't, why can't, why can't, why? You're, I don't, why can't we, why? You're acting as if this is something that didn't actually take place.

That is anti-Semitism. I understand that. I would say you respectfully. How the anti-sidism to question the numbers? Jake, Jake, can I ask a question? Because you're downplaying the Holocaust and the extermination of Jews. You're literally downplaying it and implying that you should have a question. Am I really able to talk?

Am I going to be able to talk? Why is Nick Fuentes obsessed with, wait, can I ask one question to all of you please? Why are we talking about the Jews? I thought, so I'm being told by Mr. Black and Mr. Shields that Nick Fuentes appeals to a play. Wait, wait, wait, please, please let me speak and I won't interrupt you. I'm being told that Nick Fuentes appeals to a crass generation with an incredible sense of humor about rape and about blacks being criminals and Jews being cookies who were baked. But he doesn't mean it. But he appeals to them because of affordability and because they're being left out and that was the Amga movement.

How did this come back to whether the Jews, six million Jews were killed? How did this come back to the Jews control the banks? How would this come back? I can answer that question. Wait, wait, wait. No, don't interrupt me, please. Please don't interrupt me. Nick Fuentes doesn't appeal to any social or economic policies.

He appeals to pure unadulterated anti-Semitism, which is why if we've been speaking now for 40 minutes, 39 minutes have been about the Jews. I have every right to bring up the appearance of Nick Fuentes when his whole thing is about appearance. All right. Supremacy. Why are white people superior to black people?

Let me go on. How does Israel come into this conversation? Nick Fuentes didn't, Nick, Nick Fuentes didn't. didn't criticize Israel. He criticized, excuse me, he criticized the American Jewish Congress. He thinks Jews have no place here. But let me ask you a question when I say that his movement will turn against him. It will not bring the Jewish community who will bring Nifentes down. He's going to self-implode. He's going to step on a metaphorical grenade. As he said, he's Irish, he's Mexican, he's gay. His people hate anyone who are not part of the Aryan white supremac.

And they're going to turn on him like they did on Ernst Rome, 19, That's actually... Night of the long night. All right, let me bring it. All right. Don't all talk at once. Thank you. Don't all start shouting.

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Please support our show and tell them that we sent you. Mando has got you covered. First and foremost, Rabbi Shmuli, you've put your foot so far in your own mouth that you're choking on it. The rest of Khan Inc. and neocons are drowning as well, and this is why they're panicking, by the way. I like being on this panel because you guys make me feel young, by the way. You make me feel young in a panel full of fossils. I want to address, by the way, what Dave said earlier about Nick. This is really important as somebody who's Catholic.

I have a real big problem with what you just said about him pulling Catholic young men. Is it Dave, the guy in the middle? I already lost his name. Sorry. Ben. What's the guy in the middle? Ben, sorry. It would be Ben.

It would be Ben. It would be Ben. Okay, sorry. So, Ben, you mentioned that Nick is pulling Catholic young man down the wrong road. You don't know these people. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. No, you're suggesting that the Jerusalem Post should, in fact, don't interrupt me.

I didn't interrupt you. I didn't say that. It was the Jerusalem Post that said that said that. Let me make a comment about that. It was a Jerusalem Post that said it, not Ben. Thank you. I didn't say that. I was correcting you. Don't put word to my mouth. He was, fine, I won't put words to your mouth, but you were defending the position of the Jerusalem Post to do this, right?

I know a lot of these young men who have started lost, addicted to pornography, addicted to violence, addicted to all these things that are troubling them. They find Nick Fuentes, they become Catholic, they become confirmed Catholics, they change their lives. They become better people. Some of these people... Many people that watch them also become white supremacists. No, no, they don't. No, they don't. I'll tell you right now because this is a Oh my gosh. I think that would insult Nick Flintes. Let me finish talking. You don't even know what a white supremacist is. I guarantee you. And you know what? I'm looking at one right now.

I'm looking at one right now. I know what a white supremacists look like. I don't want to correct you. I almost don't want to correct you because you know what, if I correct you and you eventually figure it out, if you eventually figure out what you're doing wrong, then we will lose in terms of those who are coming up and taking control of the conservative movement. because you guys are wrong to fossils. You're not ever going to win this battle. You're played out. As long as I'm right, you are a white supremacist.

You said I don't know what one looks like. You're literally a definition of a white supremacist. You can't even define white supremacists. And you pick, you pick Jake Shield and need to bring out. I absolutely can. You have plenty of Jewish friends. We have plenty of black friends. We have a black friend.

I got one black friend. I got a Jewish friend. No. Well, certainly you're not a threat. If you're obviously willing to work with Jewish American voices. Obviously you're not a threat. If you're willing to host black people on your show, You have no idea what a white supremacist is.

I'll tell you right now, what is your definition of white supremacists? Someone that wants to kill black people and Jews and anyone that doesn't look like that. What is your definition of a white supremacists? I will give you the definition if you just shut up. So moving forward, I'll give you the definition, but let me finish my thought

and I will move to that definition, okay? You're having to figure it out on the fly? I don't have to figure out on the fly. I know you're not white supremacists. Nick is obviously not a white supremacist. give it a rest. First of all, a white supremacist is what?

He did let's your definition of a white supremacist. That white people are supreme. This is not the conversation we're having, okay? And also, before I forget to say, because you're hanging out with white supremacist. No. First and foremost, Nick Fingingie and White Fremises and

they're not trying to figure that I'm at a time. I let you finish. Let me finish. I let you finish. But you cannot dominate the entire show. Make your point. What's the white supremacism? I will make my point if you just shut out.

What is the white supremacist? Stop teasing us. This is where we've arrived. They're not a host teasing a commercial. What is a white supremacist, Mr. Black? Keep going. Keep going. Keep going.

Well, let me intervene. Let me intervene. Let me intervene, let me intervene, please. There it is. That's simple. Let me intervene. Let me ask Richie Black. Let me ask Richie Black.

Let me ask Richie Black. Shut up, please. Richie Black, what is a white super. A white supremacist is somebody who believes white people are supreme overall racist. Nick obviously doesn't feel that way. I don't feel that way. Jake doesn't feel that way. We are American nationalists and this threatened you. We're young. We're young and this threatens you. We're replacing neocons and this is threatening you. I actually thought you were smarter than this. America first. America first is on the rise. America must rise to the occasion. And as far as somebody who said he was an opportunist, Nick just started the America First Foundation. That would be me, by the way. Everyone go donate, by the way.

Change Seals, he wanted to jump him. Yeah, I just want to add, if you look at me and Nick put us on Twitter, we are constantly being attacked by the real white supremacists because we're not white supremacists. These people go probably harder after us and they do you guys because they're mad that we're not taking their stance. They're like, oh, you guys are race traders, this and that because we stick up for all races that want to have our ideally. We're sick of Israel. This country gives them billions of dollars. Where do they do?

They bomb us killing 34 Americans. Thank you. Philip, Tony, a real patron, gave me this shirt. Finally, God. Yes, the truth. The Levant affair. It's about Jews, Jews, Jews. Thank you.

Right there. Yeah, about Israel, Israel, Israel. O-4. We are currently joking. American traders that's for Israel over America. It's America first, America only. We are sick in time. of working for Israel. We are done serving your country.

You should move to Israel. You got it. I got it. I got it. By the way, by the way, Pierce, may I speak, please without their interruption? Oh yeah. Not wanting Americans to be killed. You are, you are, okay, Mr. Shields, 34 Americans are killed and I'm anti-Semitic.

Bring that up. Please, please, please, please. You literally just control yourself. Now, Mr. Shields. You guys are ones killing Americans. Pierce, may I speak? Pierce, may I speak, please. Yeah, Mr. Shields.

No, go ahead. May I point out. May I point out, may I point out, Mr. Shields, that we're in the 250th birthday of the United States. If France had not come with their fleet to Yorktown, you would be still speaking with a British accent. Democracy support one another, and Israel is the only democracy. But Israel is a tiny, tiny fragment of what American aid goes to. Ukraine has received $100 billion in American aid over the past two years. That doesn't bother you. Wait, wait, wait, wait, and you know why? I'm against that.

I'm against that. You know why it doesn't bother you? You know why it doesn't bother you? No, but you didn't say I'm tired of the Ukrainians controlling America. You said Israel. Hold on. You are interrupting me. You are interrupting me. You are interrupting me. You are interrupting me. You are interrupting me. You said to Jew. Then you said that you're sick of my country. I was born in Frickin Los Angeles, California. You damn racist. But you represent Israel. But you're loyal to Israel. Now number two. Now, now number two. Now, excuse me, don't interrupt me. I love Israel. Number two. Just like Irish-Americans are still love Ireland. Number two. Number two, when you say that. someone, Mr. Black, is not a white supremacist because they think that it's about America First. That's pure garbage. You are the Klan. You are Nathan Bedford Forrest. Great. You are the Confederacy. The Confederacy was all about believing, excuse me, excuse me, that white, that's the color of someone's skin made them automatically superior. Not their character, not the morality, not their values, not their sacrifice. Wait, wait, wait, and I'll tell you more. And I'll tell you more.

And Mr. Black and Mr. Shields. You're saying that America is controlled by Israel? Do you know how many, 450,000 Americans died? Obviously, France. Wait, France, Belgium, Holland, the Netherlands, Norway. Why doesn't that bother you? 500,000 Americans, flipperated Europe. All right, don't all right.

You guys, excuse me, I will finish. Can you all be quiet, please? You just talk and talk. I want to play another clip. I want to play another clip. They will not let me speak. I want to play another clip. They will not let me speak. Look, I'm going to speak. So, Ben, I want to play a clip. This is certainly changing the topic a little bit, but still on Fuentes. I want to play something he said about populism and the potential alliance, which we may have seen a bit of, by the way, with Mammani and Trump in the Oval Office.

Let's take a listen. Why don't we have populist Republicans and populist Democrats that just solve problems? just solve problems for Americans. And by the way, I am willing to compromise with the left, 100%. I'll work with anybody. I saw the track APEC people. It's some progressive woman and some progressive gay guy. I'd work with them on shutting down APEC in a second, in a heartbeat.

Same goes for Anna Kaspari and Shank Yugar. they were in favor of democratic populism. They wanted to deliver health care. They wanted to deliver education. I would work with them in a second, in a second. A Zoran Mamdani all day. No, I did think that was interesting in the context in what we saw in the other law,

of us with Mandani and Trump, is it was a very unlikely camaraderie that developed after their private meeting, which was then on public display. What do you read into that, Ben? And this theory of the horseshoe effect that populism on both sides can kind of converge for the greater good of America. Yeah, I don't think it's going to happen. I think Democrats that say that are full of it. And we saw that from what Mandani said about the president after that meeting the next day when he attacked him yet again.

I think that meeting that Donald Trump had was a smart one. The reason why is I think you meet with people that are politically the opposite of you. I don't care if it's Kim Jong-ung or the guy Mandani. I want to know my enemy. I want to know what they believe. I want to hear what they have to say. And I want to know how to beat them. I think studying people that are completely against you is an important thing in politics.

I think it's actually one of the smartest things about Donald Trump is he's willing to meet with basically anyone, no matter who actually says he shouldn't have that meeting. World leaders, whether it's Putin. I think that is a smart move by a world leader. I also think that there's a real threat right now, as we've seen two declared socialists win in major cities in America as mayor. And we're seeing the Democratic Party implode.

It is now run by socialist, Marxists and Communists. I've said this on your show, I think, a couple of years ago. The Democratic Party is dead. It has been masquerading as socialist Democrats and communists as Democrats. Now they're just saying, screw it. This is just who we are. So I think that's an important meeting. But the idea that Democrats who just held America hostage and shut down our government

just to score political points and literally vote against food stamps to people they claim they want to feed, for example, and they wouldn't pay government workers would somehow come together and work with Donald Trump or as Fuentes described it. Like, that's a pipe dream based in total insanity. The Democratic Party is broken now.

They're in their own civil war right now with AOC and the others. And so I can't imagine right now working with them because the party is trying to destroy me. AOC literally is the leader. and Donnie and Chuck Schumer isn't extreme enough for the Democratic Party right now. I'm probably going to lose his leadership position. But if they're so extreme, why was Trump so cordial to him in public? Why did he say- Because I think sometimes when you meet with somebody you're trying to figure out,

you just don't walk in there like it's a fight and punch him in the face. You learn about them and figure them out and see what the real threat is and what they're about. I've debated a lot of liberals who I walk away from and I look at a buddy. I'm like, that person's insane. I mean, I'll do that today. I'll be like, man, I'm with a lot of white supremacists today. I learned something about their hatred and they're, quote, America first. Like, I'm going to take something away from this hour and go, all right, there's a real threat here from people that are claiming that America first is white supremacy.

That's what they're masquerading it. You know, he tells us not to interrupt them when he calls this white supremacist. I think that Trump played mom damee brilliantly. Yeah, that's such a low brawhip for. It's not. But like, that's what you guys are. Keep doing that. Just keep doing it.

Trump won that into action when I'm Donnie. It's making you look like the weasel you are. Because what Trump? I, dude, one of you couldn't even get my name right and you're like, the we're going to stop. You know nothing about me. We're going to stop. You're going to be.

Relevance is affecting my memory a little bit. You're a nobody. I'll hear from, all we hear from, all you're not going to do TV for a decade, but I'm a nobody now. Got it. That's good. To Bill's for the ears. You're all talking in the same.

You're all talking. time, I have no idea what any of you are saying. Pierce, may I say, Pierce, may I say, Pierce, may I say, why would you, why would you make such a ridiculous lie? Maga, MAGA is, MAGA is Donald Trump. And Trump has rejected Tucker Carlson as a coup. Maga is mega. Trump has rejected Fuentes and said he, excuse me, he called him a coup.

Yes, he did on Twitter, on X. And he said that he met Fuentes and he utterly repudiated him. And Kanye won't meet with any of these people. He kicked out Marjorie and Taylor Green with her landing. Marley-Chair. Green's gone. Massey. The lights. Excuse me, Mr. Black. Black.

Excuse me, Mr. Black. I didn't say anything. Trump is kicking out every anti-Semite and every- Trump is, by the way. He's like a fat-dog. Now, excuse me, excuse me. Now, Pierce, Pierce, to answer your question, I think Trump played Mamdani like a fiddle.

I think it was an act of political genius. What he basically did is understand that Mamdani appeals to only one set of people. I'm not talking to the Islamists who globalize the infatheaval. Affordability, sustainability. Here in New York City, where I am right now, it really is an issue. And Trump's whole base are working-class people

who have been forgotten. Remember in 2017, his first inaugural, the invisible man will be invisible no more. He understands Mamdani has tapped into something, and much better to co-op that agenda and say that the Republican Party are going to deliver affordability and against inflation and making groceries affordable. Trump is a master tactician. It took a genius to pull off that because Mamdani wanted him to be the enemy, and Mamdani failed. And, of course, Macdoni, the next day was... That's enough. Richie Black, your response.

All right, the truth is on our side. At the end of the day, I'm listening to these guys talk, and I'm thinking there's going to come a day, right, when we do assume power of the conservative movement, and they're going to have to look and say, wow, you know, all these thoughts we had, all these assumptions that we lobbied at them, all this criticism.

We were actually wrong. They weren't white supremacists. They were really aiming to fix the problems that they were faced with. Moving forward, though, I don't know that having this debate is productive when at the end of the day. What will you do? When you take control, what will you do?

What are your policies? Go ahead. I'll let you speak. You said, what are your policies? Baking, Jews is. Cookies. Just tell me. I know what you're trying to do.

It's the same old trope over a world or not. What are your policies, Mr. Black? When you take control, what will you do with America? Go ahead. I'm getting rid of Israel. Are you done? Yeah, I was about to say cut off all foreign aid to Israel and influence from Israel.

That would be step number one. That's three billion dollars. That's point. 0.001% of the $20 trillion GDP. Go ahead. That's one thing. Next. Hey, is it funny that the... There is, there is. The minute we talk about ending a relationship with Israel. Four and a minute we talk about any relationship with Israel. Next. Moment we talk about any relationship with Israel. Let me finish. I want to hear what he says.

What's your second policy? Let him speak, Rabbi Smooley. We can't hear his policies. We can't hear his policies. You keep talking. Okay, go ahead. I was just saying it's quite funny that the minute we talk about any relationships with Israel, the first thing Rabbi Shuli does is talk about money. Say your policies.

Say your policies. You keep speaking over him. All I do is speak over him. Yeah, I'm not doing this, Rabbi. I'm not doing this with you. I'm not doing this shouting match. He doesn't have one policy. It's not about having policy.

I have plenty, actually. But you, what's going to happen? White supremacy, we're going to put the white people in charge. We're going to get rid of the Jews. citizens from serving government. Let them go, Jake. Let them go. They're really putting the clown mask on.

Let them go. It's all you do. We both have very married. No, sir. No, sir. You have no policies at all the time. White supremacist, white supremac, blah, blah. I named it.

It's the same old. Foreign aid ban A Pact from far. There's a couple right there. There is no foreign aid. Elon Musk ended US AID. Stop, stop printing money. You don't even read the newspapers. There is no foreign policy.

There is no foreign aid. There is a liar. You're a liar. We just. Just gave a lot of it. We just gave a lot that AAP does not have to register, by the way. Throwing that out there.

Okay. Is A-PAC the Jews? Is that your real question? People like you have way more anti-Semitism than me, Rabbi Shmuli. All right. I have no idea but any of this talking about. Blamey, it's like, I know, I know, I know.

We Jews are responsible for anti-Semitism. My Yamaka, my existence is why you hate me. And that's true. Listen, listen. No, no, no, no, I get, I don't hate Jews. I asked you for your policies. And the only thing you have is an obsession with me. And you know what it is? You guys are so jealous, so envious.

The Jews are just, you guys are obsessed with us. You know what? I'm really jealous of you. You know what? I'm not that important. I want to aim with the final question. I want to aim with a final question for everybody. I want a one line answer from all of you.

All right, Jake, who's going to be the next president of United States? Thomas Massey, hopefully. Ben? I'm going to be honest with you. I have no idea, and I don't think anybody else does either right now. It's way too far away. Give me a name. Who's on the short list?

No, who do you think at the moment would be your favorite to win? My favorite would be Ted Cruz. Okay. Rabbi Smirley. Oh, my God. My good friend Robert Kennedy, Jr. I think he, first of all, he's a great supporter of Israel for all those of those who hate Israel. I think that I don't agree with everything on vaccines.

I'm fully vax, but I think that Bobby does get Generation Z, Generation X. I think he has that mystique. And finally, I think he's extremely authentic. But I would also like to see Rubio or Ted Cruz, but Bobby would be my first choice. Okay, and Richie Black. What is the question? The question is who I think will be?

Not who I want, but who I think will be. Who do you think will be, yeah? Yeah, J.D. Vance, and I'm not happy about it. Okay. Oh, yeah, I gave who I wanted, so... Okay, well, who do you think it'll be? That'll be Thomas Massey, so I don't... If I had to guess, I'd probably say J.D. Vance, too.

Okay, well, out of interest, Richard Black, who do you want it to be? I don't know. It might be Massey, though. I think things are changing so much. People are getting so sick of Israel. I mean, in a way, we've seen how split the party. We've seen how split the right is in America and Mr. Bates. They stole our military secrets. They stole our nuclear secrets. Okay. Richard Black, out of interest, who do you want to be? Obviously, I would vote for Massey, but you know what? At the end of the day, at the end of the day, no, no, no, no, I don't. No, I don't. Shut up. What happened to Nick Quentes? What happens a little Mickey? You just shut up for a second.

What happens to a little Mickey? Stop talking, okay? Yeah, you know what? That's a great bit of advice for absolutely everybody on the panel. Stop talking. Stop talking. Thank you all very much. Pierce Morgan Unsensored is proudly independent.

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