Piers Morgan Uncensored - 'Diddy Will WALK' Bombshell Claim As Lawyer Quits! Plus Blac Chyna on Kanye

Episode Date: February 26, 2025

Since Piers Morgan Uncensored last covered the ongoing scandal surrounding Sean 'Diddy' Combs, the vast majority of people believed he was in a world of trouble. No one doubted that the hip hop powerhouse had the influence needed to keep people in line. No one doubted that a man caught assaulting his ex-girlfriend on camera could be capable of harming others. But when all is said and done, convictions are based on evidence, and many legal eagles are starting to think that there just isn’t enough there. So, what happened? Is Diddy innocent? Or did mainstream media sensationalise the crimes he did commit out of all proportion? For their expert analysis, Piers Morgan invites host of ‘The Officer Tatum’ Brandon Tatum, former defence attorney for Suge Knight, Matthew Fletcher, rapper, producer and commentator Lord Jamar and criminal defense attorney Mark Geragos onto Uncensored. Then, Piers talks to model and entrepreneur Angela White AKA Blac Chyna for her take on Diddy and Kanye, and how her life has transformed since finding God. Beam: Visit https://ShopBeam.com/PIERS for up to 40% off Home Title Lock: Go to http://www.hometitlelock.com/piersmorgan and use promo code PIERS to get a FREE title history report so you can find out if you’re already a victim AND access to your Personal Title Expert —a $250 value— when you sign up! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pete Diddy is not dumb. He's savvy. He got money. He got influence. Charging Diddy with those in the historical context is almost laughable. This takes wokeism to a new level. I'm from the street. I grew up around this dude. It's not laughable. I'm to tell you that right now. I know for a fact it's not laugh. You got that much money. You got that much street credit. You can get people killed. Kanye West is just seemingly out of control. I think he's suffering partially from him.

partially for mental illness, but he's also insanely ignorant. We need to last. I'm so exciting. Let me take my heels off. We're about to get knitted, hold on. Let me get myself comfortable. Diddy's legal defense was dealt a fresh blow earlier this week as one of his lawyers, sensationally resigned.

Anthony Rico said he provided high levels of legal representation for Diddy's defense against sex trafficking and racketeering charges, but that under no circumstances could he continue? Elsewhere in the world of disgraced hip-hop stars, Kanye West posted a video ranting about Barstool Sports Under Day Portnoy while wearing a sweater emblazoned with a massive swastika. Kanye's led his unhinged intervention, has reignited the route about his right to free speech

and unfettered access to X. But join me to discuss all this is the star of the Officer Tatum, Brandon Tatum, the former defence attorney for Shug Knight, Matthew Fletcher, the rapper producer and commentator Lord Jamar, and the legendary criminal defense lawyer, Mark Garagos. Welcome to all of you. Mark, great to see you back on Unsensitive. I've not talked to it, I think, about the whole Diddy case.

How significant is it that one of his defense attorneys, high profile, Anthony Rico, has quit and made it pretty clear, I think, in the wording of his resignation from the team of the case, that he obviously, I imagine, has issues with Diddy himself. Well, in full disclosure, I represented Sean off and on for many years, and my daughter is still the lead lawyer for Diddy. So from a father's perspective, I don't think it makes one whit of difference, frankly. Diddy knows what he's doing. I don't think that Tony was a lead lawyer in the case. Mark Agnifalo is the lead lawyer who's very accomplished. I understand that anything Diddy related tends to. to get a lot of clicks, but this, to me, is no more than just a speed bump. So we shouldn't be reading into it anything more sinister, because it just seemed unusual in such

a high-profile case for one of the team to publicly resign like this. You're right. I don't think that, in fact, I would venture to say that there's nothing to be read into it other than what often happens with these cases. You know, I was thinking back many years ago to Michael Jackson after I saw this, and there were lawyer changes and shuffling of the deck. It happens often in high-profile cases. I mean, there's always going to be some lawyers coming and going. Inevitably, I've seen it in every single case I've ever handled. I will tell you that I don't think it means much of anything at all in this case. Sean is, by all accounts, ready, willing, and able to go on May 5th, and I expect that you and I will be back talking

about it. What is your overview of where he is in terms of criminal liability here in terms of what may happen to him and the weight of the case? Because we know that when the feds come for somebody, they normally have a very good success rate. Well, that's absolutely true. I tell clients when they come into my office, you know, the federal conviction rate is in the high 90s. So understand, there aren't that many lawyers walking around who've heard the words not guilty in a federal courtroom. So I've been fortunate to have that as my daughter and both Mark Agnifalo. I will tell you, this is my take on this case. This case has been, the media has so run with this idea that we have A-list celebrities, that we've got sex tapes. The tapes are about to drop. The sex tapes are involved,

whether it's, and I don't even want to kind of push forward the kind of crazy narratives out there. But I remember watching a TV show appears back in September where a woman said, a lawyer said that there were shopping tapes around and that this tape involved a A-list celebrity and blah, blah, blah. Everything that has happened since then, every public filing in that case has led me to one conclusion and one conclusion only, that these are private tapes involving just one or two other females. and another willing participant. As far as I can tell, there are no tapes that involve so-called aidless celebrities. In fact, there's nobody else on these tapes except two other consenting adults. They weren't done surreptitiously. They weren't done covertly.

And basically, the government's case comes down to did victim, as you know, as you know, they just superseded, added two victims. but it appears that it's just three, if you believe the defense, three ex-girlfriends. And that has morphed into now saying bad boy records has been a criminal sex trafficking enterprise, the likes of which is Abercrombie and Fitch. I don't see it.

I haven't seen anything that gives me any indication that that is the case. Matthew, I saw you nodding there. You were a criminal trial consultant and a defense attorney for 25 years. You represented, like I said, Shug Knight, with over 100 jury trials you were involved in, during a lot of murder cases, you secured a lot of not guilty verdicts.

Now, you said an interesting thing. You said that you're no fan of Diddy, but you still think this case might not be a very strong one. Explain that. I agree with Mark, a million percent. This is a joke. This case is blown up into something from nothing. When you have, first of all, a number five or six lawyer getting off a case means nothing.

He's mad he didn't get enough camera time. He's mad he thinks he wants more money. It means nothing about the case. In all likelihood, he wasn't even particularly privy to all the comings and goings that were going on with the case. I'd be very surprised. Mark Garagos doesn't sit down and have conversation with four and five lawyers at the bottom. And it's not nothing intentional. It's just the practical reality.

In Combs' cases, this guy is a unique individual, but he's not dumb. He's arrogant. He's obnoxious. He's a lot of things, but there's a lot of things that a lot of people in the music industry are. But he's not dumb. And he has an inherent, every time I've ever met him, I thought he had an inherent quality of fear. You know, he was afraid of doing anything for himself, afraid of going to jail, which I understand.

I get it. But this is the case where he, you know, here's a crazy thought. There are some people in Hollywood who have different sex lives than people in mid-America. There's like Markets and referred to, I've talked to people about these videos in multiple occasions. No one's told me that there's ever any, one, there's no baby oil. Two, there's no children. Three, there's no forced, no coercion, no duer, rest. He's a commercial sex workers. He's a voyeur. He likes to have, watch his significant others have sex. There's just almost nothing to this case. You have a very ambitious AUSA who doesn't have a lot of experience trying cases. AUSAs in general, they try serious cases, and they never get me wrong.

They don't do a lot of trials. When you do a lot of trials, you know what's the strong. case, you know what's a weak case. You can sense, you can figure out, this is nothing. Here's Morgan on our Sensor is proudly independent. Our sponsors mean we can bring it to you for free. Support for today's show comes from Beam, who can help you out with an issue of utmost importance, sleep. Good sleep, as I can confirm, is the foundation of physical and mental health. Our daily performance depends on it. That's why we are delighted to talk about Beam's dream powder. A science-backed, healthy hot coke over sleep. It's

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you say it's nothing, but I would argue that what do we know that's already in a public domain that gives an insight into what he's actually like, did he? And I would point to that, horrific video in the hotel corridor where he beats up his girlfriend at the time really appallingly and he does that with impunity not not seeming to care that there may be

CCTV footage that showed a guy who's capable of horrific violence against his own girlfriend and at that point you know my thinking about the all the allegations are was well yeah i reckon he's probably capable of pretty much anything any man that could do that to a woman in a hotel corridor, it's not a nice person, and they're perfectly capable of criminal acts because that was one of them. And he should be charged with a nice person.

He should be charged with domestic violence. He should be charged with battery. He should be charged with anything. He arguably could be charged with assault with a deadly weapon, hands or feet. And it has nothing to do with sex trafficking. It has nothing to do with a white slave trade act. nothing to do with human trafficking. Those are the charging ditty with those in the historical

context is almost laughable. This takes wokeism to a new level in the law. The the Man Act and the White Slave Trade Act was not designed to be applied to a movie producer, a movie director or recording artists bringing in someone to have sex with his wife or his girlfriend while he watched. He'd beat her like a dog and he should go to prison for that. Unfortunately, he was never charged and the same people in New York who want to charge everyone else or L.A. didn't charge him for a simple corporal punishment to a spouse or a cohabitant. That's what it is, but two things can be true at the same time. That is a crime, without doubt. It is not sex trafficking without a doubt.

It is an abusive, abuse of a woman without a doubt. It is cowardly. It is uncool. It is all of those things. It is not sex trafficking by any stretch of imagination. You can never find. Okay. Let me bring in Brandon Tate of you, listening patiently to this.

So it's all wokeism. Well, I think you have a perspective from lawyers, which I understand why they would have a very methodical perspective. of what is the law, what is the evidence show. But then you also have the reality of it. P. Diddy and some of these other dudes are gangsters. They literally have people in fear. I honestly believed if anybody would have turned on them,

trade on them, lie on them. You could get killed in the streets. So they have this gangster lifestyle that's more real than what can be presented in the court of law. And I guarantee you there may be a lot more evidence and people who would be forecoming, but they don't want to end it.

end up getting killed. You know, Shug Knight was a gangster. Snoop Dogg was a gangster. All of these rappers, they live a very hard life and they got people around them that are do dirty business if they have to get to it. So I do understand that as a former law enforcement officer, you can only go with what the evidence shows. And you can only go with what can be presented in the court of law, what's admissible in the court of law. However, on the other flip side of it, people get away with stuff all the time because they know how to move and shake. P. Diddy is not dumb. He's savvy. He got money. He got money. He got influence, he got lawyers, they're going to get him in the best position humanly possible,

but that does not mean that he's not potentially responsible for these things. And it was evident with him beating up Cassidy and probably beating up other women like that, that this dude is, he's very capable of doing all the things he's accused of. Yeah, I mean, Lord Jamar, we've talked a lot about this case since it first blew up. I've got to say, it's the first time I've had people be quite so defensive, probably the wrong word, but so kind of prepared to say this might be massively overblown. And they both happen to be top criminal lawyers, which is significant, I think. Well, again, you know, as lawyers, I understand their perspective. And I agree that on a lot of cases, lawyers do get fired and all of that type of stuff.

The thing that was telling to me by this particular lawyer's resignation, is when he stated, by no circumstances, can I work on the case? That little caveat right there made me feel like he may have been, you know, privy to some sort of information that made him say, you know what, I cannot defend a monster like this. I don't know. I'm just saying that's a possibility. It could be just a regular changing of the guard like these gentlemen.

and said, but when I first heard it and when he said that particular, under no circumstances, it just made me think well, why did he feel that? Did he have some sort of, you know, conscious you know, thing

of change of heart, you know, once finding something out? I don't know. I'd think it's worth asking, though. It is. My response to that would be, I get it because that's, you know, obviously you hear that and you say, oh, he must have discovered something. If that was the case, and I do not, I don't see anything to support that. If that was the case, the last thing the lawyer can do is what

was done. You can't suggest, you've got a duty to your ex-client. Your duty to your ex-client survives even after death. So even if you want off the case, you can't disparage or suggest or do anything. So I think I get the reaction. I hear you. And that was that that that makes sense. But I can tell you that no no self-respecting lawyer is going to get off a case because he says I can't deal with the evidence. I've defended cases. Matt has defended cases where the clients, you may not want to bring the clients home for Thanksgiving dinner. But that's no that's no justification for suggesting. And I don't think that that that was. was done here that you saw something in the evidence and that's why you're here.

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they don't seem, nobody seems to pay attention to them because the public filings, the defense keeps suggesting that there's only three people here. All three were ex-girlfriends, that there was no trafficking. The latest one that Matt just referred to was a challenge to the Mann Act. And the challenge to the Man Act

is they actually had to change the name of the act that they're charging him with years ago from the White Slavery Act to the Man Act. The defense says no black man has ever been charged in this particular circumstance until Diddy. Are you telling me in the history of our country, Diddy's the first guy who gets charged with an act that's been around for God knows how long,

number one. Number two, are you also telling me that it's three ex-girlfriends and that this guy, and I don't necessarily disagree that rappers have unsavory reputations? But you can't, to Matt's point and the take's point, you can't convict somebody. We have specific code sections in the criminal law, 404 in federal. You don't just do a character assassination and then convict the person. You don't convict them because they're bad people. You don't convict them because I don't like them because they live a thug lifestyle,

which, by the way, I didn't even know I was able to use thug anymore. I thought that was speaking of wokenism. I thought thug was picking off the table. But the fact is, you don't, we do not convict people in America based on them being bad actors. We convict them based on bad acts. That was Cassie's involvement in that hotel hallway, the bad act? Absolutely. But as Matt says, the statute ran on that.

Okay. Let's just pivot. And the other thing about this, real quick, on this issue that the lawyer says, it's like it's a term of art. It's like in law when you said we've had irreconcilable differences in a divorce. People say, well, that must mean he beat her. That must mean she beat him or was cheating. It doesn't mean it's a term of art. This lawyer has to make specific showings to the federal judge to be allowed off the case.

And one of the ways you do that is that is we've broken up and we can't get back together. And all he was saying is we've broken up and we can't get back together. In court, we often call it we're waiting for Mr. Green to arrive or Mr. Cash has a arrived. Everyone understands what the term of art means. And in this case, it means I'm not getting along with this dude because I want to be the big dog or the top dog or I'm not getting paid enough money. It's nothing, there's nothing below that or should be read into it at all. Second of all, this concept that P. Diddy could have someone killed is laughable. I mean, he couldn't save his own bodyguard. I mean, there's just these stories are plentiful about

all of the horrible things. It's not laughable. I'm going to let you know right now that I'm from the street. I grew up around this dude. It's not laughable. I'm going to tell you that right now. So let's pump the brakes a little bit.

If you, if you got money. I know for a fact it's not laughable. You got that much street credit. You can get people killed. And the good thing about it is for them is that you can get people killed and nobody ever know. Just like you can get Sean

to go to prison for you. Like he literally got a guy to shoot him up. and went to jail for Diddy. Shine didn't snitch. So you got guys that'll do the crime for you and they'll do the time for you if you're powerful enough like Diddy. You got enough money.

You can represent them in court. You can get them out. I mean, I would argue. You don't know a little bit. As I remember, Diddy was acquitted of the very case where he was convicted. So I don't know how you transmogrify that into that he did the time for Diddy.

Diddy was on trial with that case. Ben Brothman and Johnny God, that was Johnny's last criminal case that he tried with Diddy, what, 25 years ago? Yeah, and I bet you, Diti didn't have any credible witnesses that would testify against him either, so. Diddy had his own chauffeur, his own chauffeur testified against him, his own chauffeur in New York testified against him and testified specifically that Diddy tried to bribe him. He had receipts, and he wasn't killed, he wasn't attacked or anything else. this wokeism, and I'm going to carry this one second, this idea that you can say,

well, that's a black guy and he's a rapper and he can get you killed, that's all made up. Tell me the name of one person who's been hit or killed at the direction of a rapper. One name. Lord Jamar.

You won't. Hang on. You won't be able to, you're not going to tell you. If you had a track record, then it won't be effective. These people get people killed out of time. Let me get Lord Jamar to answer that question. Listen, I'm not.

going to sit here with a laundry list of names. I'm just letting you know that it's absolutely possible. I believe it's absolutely been done in the history of not just rap, just of powerful men, powerful people in all different kinds of industry have used their power to kill people when they feel it's necessary. And the smart ones don't get caught. The smart ones have lawyers and stuff, saying, oh, they would never do that. Like, the smart ones cover their tracks, but don't act like it's not within the realm of possibility. This is not some sort of conspiracy theory

that people are pulling out their ass. Like, this is real shit. Like, I'm telling you, coming from New York and all of that type of stuff, I know about street culture, and I know this is absolutely within his power, and we're just going to leave it at that. All right, Matthew, I'm surprised Matthew to hear you give this kind of blanket.

No rappers have ever killed anyone. I mean, you can't honestly believe that. Well, maybe not in New York. I can tell you there's no one in California has represented more African-Americans and Hispanics and rappers than I have to. I mean, there's not even, it's not close. It's not close. And I'm not saying that that's an impossibility. literally you can't find a successful conviction of a rapper who was predominantly a rapper for committing any crime.

Shine is a perfect example. How about my brother Chi Ali? How many years he got for murdering someone? Look up a guy named Chi Ali. He was a rapper that ended up killing his girlfriend's brother for doing some wildness. There's an example. Well, I'll give you an example of, I'll give you an example of from, since you, was a reference made to the gang culture.

Killing someone in a personal battle is not considered gang related in any way. You can't use the gang to enforce rules. You're now moving to goalpost. We didn't say the killing has to be gang related. We're saying rappers that may have killed his girlfriend. Okay. If you ever listen to drill rap, I think everybody on the panel know what drill rap is, right?

You know what drill rapping is. These rappers, literally some of them have gone to jail. Some of them have been killed on live stream. These dudes order hits. They got gangsters that would do business for them. It's crazy to think that, I mean, as a attorney. Maybe you would never see it because they're good at it. But people order hits all the time.

People do stuff to vinge their big dogs all the time. I don't know how that's even mentioned on this live stream or this show that rappers ain't getting people killed. Rappers are killing people themselves. Little Dirk is in trouble right now, but for ordering a hit, actually. little dirt. I know who's not in trouble. You know who's not in trouble for it. It's P. Diddy.

P. Diddy. There's not a shred of evidence. Okay. So do you think, do you think, Matthew? We're just saying it's possible, but I'm saying he's capable. Well, Matthew, do you think in that case, do you think he's going to walk, P. Diddy?

I'm sure. He's got a very, very good defense team. And in this case, to any experience, and in their very experience, it's not. This is not a real case. I don't, I, you know, I wish they would get away from saying he's a spectacular human being and just deal with the facts and say he, him and his wife were swingers or he was in a relationship that was open and they liked to do these certain things. Keep it to that. When you start saying he's a wonderful human being, you open yourself up or the defense opens himself up for arguments to say, no, he's really a violent person and he's involved in this culture and that culture when you don't need it because there's no evidence.

that shows that this guy, you know, you can't convict someone of paying commercial sex workers for committing commercial sex work. Okay. I think he's walking. Can I add one thing? Can I add one thing? We already talked about federal. Yeah, Bradwick. Real quick, we already talked about federal conviction rates.

I have family members that went down on federal charges. The federal government don't just take lightly the investigations that they do. They do it over a course of. time they have a bunch of evidence against you. That's why their conviction rates are so good. And I think that for them to get ditty, they don't have to do this. They wouldn't pursue this if they didn't have something, in my opinion. So for them to get ditty on this, I think they have some substance there. Now, Kenny Walk, that's the beauty of defense attorneys. That's the beauty of people being put together a good argument that can get you off on technicalities, on the fact

that you can impeach witnesses. I mean, you go down the list. That's why they pay these defense attorneys so much money because, as you can see, You have high-profile people that may have done the crime, but they get off. Let's be clear. That's the way our justice system works. Let's be clear. Look, when someone like OJ Simpson can get cleared, then anything can happen. So let me just remember.

Just remember. Hang on Mark. Mark? Yeah, I was just going to say, just remember before we jump on this bandwagon that they must have had this, they must have had that, there is a fight currently going on in the Southern District. And the DOJ, led by Emil Beauvais, and Pam Bondi have already said they've shown the website for the then U.S. attorney, a guy by the name of Damien Williams. He was bragging about the fact that he had indicted on his way out the door,

basically. He had indicted both Eric Adams and P. Diddy, a rapper and a mayor. And that was one of the reasons they thought that didn't look good. The DOJ, wasn't me, it wasn't the defense lawyer, was the Department of Justice. They're fighting trying to dismiss Eric Adams. Eric Adams and Diddy were both, both indicted by that U.S. attorney on his way out the door. He's no longer there. So let's kind of hold on a little bit. And by the way, as to ordering people to get killed, as I sit here in Los Angeles today,

and I appreciate it, guys, I may not run in the same circles. My only two clients that are accused right now of ordering a hit are both females who are accused of ordering hits on their ex-husband. So let's make sure we call it like we see them. They're the only high-profile hit crimes. And they're sloppy. They're not good at it. That's why you have to defend them. Well, I've done two series of interviewing women killers,

killer women so I can attest they can they can actually be very good at killing people Mark let me just ask and let's be fair about one day when we're talking about this this prowess of the federal government in identifying actual criminals I could remember three years ago having this conversation and I said I'm perfectly willing to accept that the president of the United States is working hand in hand with the Russians if you would just give me one witness who says it And we had a years-long prosecution with millions and millions of dollars, and I'm still waiting to hear the name of one single witness participant who said Donald Trump did anything with the Russians,

and we don't hear about it anymore. And as I said, then I'll say it now. When you can come after him, you can come out of after anyone you want. And so let's not mistake just because it's the federal government was saying, We must be guilty. Yeah, look, the Russia collusion thing was bullshit before, during, and after and remained total bullshit for the reasons you just said.

Before we finish, I want to bring in Malk again quickly. Kanye West is just seemingly out of control. I want to play his latest video, now deleted, obviously. But this was him talking to Dave Portnoy, in which he said this. So Dave Portnoy, I don't know you. I saw you was tweeting. I have no idea.

who you are and we was going back at Port Joaquin. But when you start talking about telling people that my coin is not real and you try to play with my money, now that's the last time where we're going to be talking online. Now that was a response to Portnoy calling him the worst human alive. Portnoy, of course, is the founder of Barstool, very successful media business. Kanye, though, spent the last like three, four weeks

calling himself a Nazi saying that people should go and whip Jews. He's wearing swastikas now, and he's just been on this incredibly unpleasant, anti-Semitic pro-Nazi tear now for several weeks. First of all, Mark, from a legal perspective, you know, if you encourage violence against an ethnic group, like the Jewish people, for example, then that is not covered by any First Amendment protection. So it does beg the question, does it stray into criminality? And if so, why is he allowed to keep doing this on X, which is a big social media platform, where it clearly breaches multiple rules that they have there? What do you make of what is going on with him?

Because he's got 32 million followers. It's not an insignificant thing that he's doing by amplifying pro-Nazi sentiment, swastikas and so on. Well, look, all four of my grandparents were survivors the Armenian Genocide. So I'm very attuned to genocidal thoughts, and I've spent a large part of my career defending against it. At the same time, I've also spent a large part of my career defending the right to free speech. This is obnoxious speech. It is probably crosses every line that you would want, except it's not criminal speech, and that's the problem. We don't

criminalize this. The law is fairly clear. And so it probably, as you said, I haven't looked at the X rules and regulations as to posting speech. And probably my guess is that they would find some kind of title 230 refuge, if you will. But the fact is that it's not criminal. It can be repugnant. It can be obnoxious. It can be all of those things. But it's not a criminal violation.

I mean, Matthew, a lot of people are sickened by what he's doing. A lot of people in the African-American community, in the Jewish community, in every community, frankly. I'm in the white Irish Catholic community, and I'm repulsed by him. What do you make of it? I mean, he was one of the biggest stars in the world, and now he just seems to want to just offend absolutely everyone he can in the most egregious manner. Kanye has very real mental health issues. I've met Kanye.

I did a thing on this years ago that ended up where I said, Kanye is suffering, whether it's manic, depression, I'm not going to diagnose him. But the cat knows how to act when he wants to, and he has these episodes. And you can't possibly think that this man is of his right mind to get on TV with a bleep and swasticon. I feel bad for the dude.

I don't know I feel bad for anybody. who's, I don't think he doesn't appear to be manic, but he certainly is going through something. And, I mean, are you trying to commit career suicide? Are you trying? I don't know. I just, I know when I've met him, I've come away multiple times thinking that, you know, that is really good. He has some good handlers because, man, and they'll keep him upright. They'll keep him upright and conscious because he sure is keeping the money coming in. But there's no one, there's no one who's met him's come out and says, no, Kanye is completely mentally okay. And I'm not going to pile up on it.

I mean, obviously, it's as racist. If you sit in a white hood, it would just be, it's the same. It's the same, you know, limited rules, you know, whether it's an Armenian genocide, whether it's a Jewish genocide, whether it's the Hootis versus the Tutsis, whether it's the African slave trade. If we can't agree that that's bad, we shouldn't be talking to each other. This cat is out there on an island, and what else could it be?

because it's hard to believe someone who has children who are Armenian and he has women who are other I mean this guy clearly has something wrong I mean that's it's not much of a medical diagnosis or or my history and everyone I know yeah I mean all Brandon he just is a monumental dickhead as I as I posted on X and enjoys the attention and is a supreme narcissist and he just wants to be a massive dick and he just wants to be a massive dick good morning, noon, night. And he thinks the best way to do that. Yeah, well, I just, I agree with that. I interviewed.

Honestly, I interviewed it for two hours. And I asked him specifically about mental health and stuff. I did not get the feeling funny enough at the end that he was necessarily mentally ill. I just got the impression, Brandon, of a massive narcissist who just loves pissing everybody off in the, in the most attention-seeking way he can. Well, I'll say narcissism is a mental illness as well. So I think he's suffering for mental illness and he wants a lot of attention.

I mean, to have his woman out there half-necked everywhere to go after he cried on TV and complained about Kim Kardashian, he got little girls, he got kids. I think he's suffering partially for mental illness, but he's also insanely ignorant

and want so much attention that he's willing to wear a swastika and say all this crazy stuff. The reason it doesn't bother me because I don't take him seriously. It's like somebody, you know, saying Donald Trump is a racist. I don't take him seriously whatsoever.

I hear you. I hear you. But Lord Jamar just finally. We've got to wrap it up. But my issue with this is he's got 32 million people following him on X as he's spewing this stuff. And when you know, for me, the absolute disqualifying moment was when he actively told his followers 32 million people that they should go and whip Jewish people. Right. At that moment, you should not be on that platform anymore.

I don't know why Elon must let him carry on. You know, I just think Elon Musk has got millions of people are removed from X all the time, including under Elon for breaching their very tight rules about harassment, about inducing violence and so on. Why is Kanye getting this pass? Listen, I don't agree with his speech. I do agree that he has the right. As long as it doesn't cross into criminal lines, he has the right. to say these things here in America. But I think something that,

a point that I think he's trying to make, that he may be doing a very poor job of doing it, is that he's trying to also bring light to the fact that these record companies who have millions and millions of followers, who often have CEOs that are Jewish, it just happens to be that, they will promote records that, like drill music, let's talk about,

that actually causes murder and mayhem in the black community. So he's, I feel like part of his point that he's trying to make is saying, if this speech is bad, then that speech is bad. If I shouldn't be promoting this swastika and talking all this negative stuff about the Jewish community, then you shouldn't be promoting lyrics that put the black community in harm's way as far as promoting things that gun violence and turning our women into whores and all this other type of stuff.

I think that's one of the things that he's trying to do, but he may be doing a horrible job of making his point. I think, honestly, I think my theory might be the most accurate, but I appreciate all of you for coming on on the Senate. So thank you very much indeed. Thank you. Thanks for having. Well, Angela White, best known as Black China, as an American model, reality TV star, rapper, socialite,

many strings to her bow. She rose to fame after appearing in Kanye West's 2010 music video for the song, Monster, and later appeared in Keeping Up with the Kardashians. In recent years, she's gone sober, been baptized, reversed her plastic surgery, and even quit only fans. Does anyone do that? It's an amazing development. And I'm astonished to say, she's in the studio.

Whoa, we meet at last. I'm so excited. You know I'm happy, right? Very nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. It's been a long time coming. Finally. We're here.

It's perfect timing. You're in London. You're in my studio. It's very exciting for both of us. Yes. Why are you here? I'm here to really speak to you. I really honestly, I just wanted to get to know you.

Well, I'll tell him my story too. Really? Yeah, I think you're very interesting. Really? Why? I feel like you just speak your mind and you're very controversial, and I feel as though you're misunderstood. And I kind of see that. I would see that in myself, and I feel like maybe it's the same with you.

And I could be wrong, you know? No, I'm liking this. Okay, and I feel like this is like your work, and then maybe, like, at home, you're a different person. That's not really the case. I get very judgmental about things like vegan sausage rolls from breakfast. No, I do. I get very angry about them.

Yeah. So I have my breakfast. If there's a vegan sausage roll, I lose my shit. Yeah, you know what I mean. You know what I mean. What's it been like to be you? You know all these characters. I've just been debating.

Yeah. Right? So Kanye, you know, obviously we know that you rose to fame because he appeared in that video for Monster. It's a great video. He was at his peak at the time. You were a stunt double for Nicky Minaj in that. You defended him a few years ago after he made some adverse comment.

about Chris Jenner. You said his rant then should be dismissed shouldn't be dismissed because of concerns about his mental health. So you clearly believe a lot of the things that's going wrong with Kanye for years have been driven by mental health issues. So I'm not a doctor

and I honestly think maybe more so abandonmanship. You know what I mean? If you like kind of take a look back at like all the people that's been in his life and he kind of like put them on a pedal stool and was there for them. They kind of left. And I feel like that kind of sucks

because sometimes we have to be there for people. And I feel like he hasn't really found that support yet that's going to stick by you through it all. So I think that's where like the outbursts is coming from. When you see, though, the anti-Semitic stuff, the racist stuff, the inducements to violence, wearing a swastika, what do you feel about that? I feel like it's a crowd for help.

I do I do I do I don't think it's for money or for likes or clickbait or any of that stuff I just feel like he just probably feels alone and the only thing that we could honestly do is just pray for a minute

have you talked to him in recent years no no and I respect his artistry you know what I mean and I respect him as dream's uncle but I think that's just really what it is I mean he's I interviewed him at length

He's clearly very smart. He's unbelievably talented. That is just not in question. I just, I mean, you might be right. Maybe it is all just that there's something inside him that is eating away. But ultimately, where my issue would come, I'm a father of four kids, right? Where's his sense of responsibility to his kids who must be going through utter turmoil because of what he's doing? No, I don't, I think we can't discredit him as a father because we don't know.

Like, I don't know. No, but we know what he's doing publicly. Yeah, publicly. No child who's at school or whatever is going to be having an easy time if their dad's on TV wearing swastikas and saying, I'm proud to be a Nazi. No one's going to be, that's only going to be bad for a child, right? I don't think that any adult will actually go up to a child and blatantly disrespect. But other kids would bully them? No, I don't think so. You don't?

No, I don't think so at all. Maybe if they were a little bit older, maybe say something, but not now, no. To be honest, I don't think so. Who can help him? The only person that can help him is God, Jesus Christ. Yeah, that's who helped me. I'm going to come to what happened to you. But is that enough?

Doesn't he need somebody here? Yeah. I just worry about who's around this guy. Who can stop him? Who can make him confront his own obvious demons? Yeah, maybe after this, maybe he can reach out. Like, I'll be there to listen. Because a lot of times people, they act and take certain situations and do and act out in different ways.

You have some people that could be going through a lot of stuff and then they result to alcohol or they resort to drugs or disrespecting people, you know, or hurting themselves, just all these different ways. Or some people actually just fall into depression. So I feel like every human is different. And this is just maybe something that he's going through. And this is the only way that he can express himself without, yeah, I think this is. is the only way and I think this is just a crowd for help honestly. I mean, I do worry we're going to wake up and something terrible is going to happen to. No, I don't think that.

And we shouldn't say that out of our mouths because our tongue is the most powerful thing. I don't think so. I hope one day we wake up and then he apologizes and amend things, you know, because it's always that always... Have you spent much time with him? No, no. You don't really know him. No, but you're saying if he wanted to, you talk to him. Absolutely.

I suspect there aren't many people that want to talk to him right now. Really? No, I definitely would. What about Diddy? Because you knew him socially. Did you go to his parties? I went to one party. And it was fine, though. I didn't see no crazy stuff.

I think I was like in and out. You didn't see these freakoffs that were not hearing of. No, no, it was too good. It was hot. I had to go. What'd you make of Diddy? And I actually ran into him again. I had did a Carisha Please.

I did a podcast. And it was like in passing, like, hi, bye. How's it? What did you think of him? I don't know which part, like as far as the artistry. I'll tell you why I'd be specific, because you've had to face domestic violence yourself, right? We all sort of, regardless of these charges against him now, we've had a very interesting debate with people, top lawyers who think he may walk. They think it's not enough evidence of the charges of sex trafficking and so on.

But what we've all seen with our own eyes is his girlfriend at the time, Cassie, getting beaten up in a hotel corridor. We all saw that. Now, the statute of limitations has gone. He can't be charged with any crime for that. But right there was a vicious abuser, domestic violence abuser. When you saw that video, what did you feel about that? It was sad.

It was sad. And it's even more sad when you have to deal with things publicly too and then internally at home too. Because it's like, as a woman, you're like, man, I went through this, and my family know, and the people that's closest to me know. And then it's like now the world knows. And then you have some people that is on my side. And then you have people that is against it.

So if anybody has ever been in domestic violence, like you're obviously scared to say something and you won't say anything. You've been on both sides of this. Yes. An alleged victim and an alleged perpetrator. Yes. You know, your ex-boyfriend, Twin Hector, said in legal documents, she filed on Monday, that you hid him when he was sleeping, verbally abused him frequently in the three years you

were together till the end of March 2023. What's your response to that? I'm actually glad that you brought that up because I've never responded to that. Right. Because it's all false. It was never nothing filed. And it's one of those things where it's, you know what cloud chasing is, right? Clout chasing at its highest, you know?

And once again, like the mental of people, somebody else's success can make people do the most, if that makes sense. So explain what's happened to you, what's the truth? The truth is false. All of it? Yes. But all his claims are false?

Yes. Why is he making them? I have no idea. You think for clout, like you're saying. Yeah, Clout, he's attacked me, he's attacked my mom. Like, he's done a lot to me. You said he hasn't filed documents? No, it's all false, it's all fake for a clout.

Well, he said he filed them but he hadn't. It was on, I don't know, what was it, maybe TMZ. Sad. Do you wish you hadn't spent so many years with this guy? And also two, it wasn't three years. How long was it? It was, I would say maybe two. Two years?

Yeah. That's a long time to spend with a guy that then does this to you. Yeah, it sucks. And it never seems like they're going to do them most of you until like you leave yeah what do you think of him personally yeah just spit it out what do you already think of this guy i feel like he needs to like seek jesus yeah and don't do that again to like people that's innocent honestly i don't like it have you ever struck him no no you feel like it now no not no i would have someone do that to me you know what like a lot of times

Like, I've had so many allegations come out about me before. So, like, this one is not nothing new. And I'm glad that you actually, like, brought it up because I never would address it. And I feel like all these years, because I'd never addressed certain situations, people have this whole perspective and narrative about, like, my character.

And it really hurts, you know what I mean? Because it's like, if you respond, it's like, you did it or she's responding about anything that comes out. And I'm like, that's never been my personality to respond. I mean, it'd be fair to say, you've cleaned up your act and yourself, right? Every day. You're a different person. Every day.

What was the moment when you went enough of that life? The moment, it wasn't a moment. I feel like it was just steps. Because we all know, like, right from wrong. I'm going to take my heels off. We about to get knitted, gritty. Hold on, let me get myself comfortable. I wasn't expecting this.

Okay, we're taking the heels off. Okay. Big moment. Okay, the toes is out, the dogs is out. We're not going back to your stripper career, are we? No, not today. I left that in whatever years those was. Okay, so read the question.

I had to get caught. Well, I'm just curious, was there a, you know, literally in your case, a come to Jesus moment, right? Because you found God properly. Yes. And you renounced the kind of hard partying, like this is what I've read. You can tell me what's true,

but a lot of drinking, a lot of drugs, a lot of crazy behavior, and then you go another way completely. I'm just curious, what was the catalyst for that? So it was a trinkled down. It was a few days before my birthday, and I called up everybody. I'm like, hey, the only thing I want to do is get baptized in my birthday. At the time, I was not in a church, in a church, like having a church home. So I asked my friends, and actually two pastors had pulled up to the house.

And they baptized me on my birthday. So I was reborn on my birthday. How old were you? May 11th. I was turning 34. This is last year or? No. How long ago?

2020. 2020. 2020. 2020. 2020. So 5.12. Okay. So we're talking like two and a half years or so.

Yeah. And when you did that baptizing, what went through your mind? It was a sense of relief. And at that moment, I just knew I needed to start putting in the work. Because before I went to the water, me and Bishop, we had a long conversation. And he explained to me, this is not. a one-time thing this is going to be an ongoing relationship sorry an ongoing relationship that you're gonna have with Christ so it's not you get baptized and

everything goes away so so with that being said I'm like okay what does that basically mean so staying in the Bible cutting off certain people and things of the sort but obviously you have to do all these things at your own pace do you drink it all no no more drugs no no How bad was it at its worst? At its worst, I would say, and this is the thing too, right? So I thought if you drink for like two, three days straight back to back, that that's not an alcoholic. In my eyes, an alcoholic was you have to wake up, you need a drink, I need a drink, I need a drink, I need a drink.

But it was when I would drink an alcoholic drink, it's like I wanted another one and another one and another one and another one and it's binging. So I had to come to the realization, like, hey, like, maybe I am an alcoholic, you know. You think you were? I think so. And a drug addict as well or not? No, not a drug addict, alcohol for sure. Do you miss it? No.

Never get the temptation devil on your shoulder? No, I have nightmares. I literally have a lot of nightmares where I'm sleep and I've drank in my sleep and I wake up like, oh my gosh, like, are you serious? Because it's like I'm not starting over. Because I've started over and I did it. I would do like four months. And then it's like something to happen.

And then I would like go and do it again. I'm like start over and start over. Do it again, do it again. And I would fail. So this time I'm like I'm not going back to it. That's not the lifestyle that I want to live. What do you put on your passport? What are you?

What you mean? Well, you're a model, television, personality, rapper, former stripper, social. I mean, there's a million. descriptions. What do you think you are? Child of God. Child of a God. Other than that, what's your job, do you think? Right now, I don't have, I don't wear just one hat. It depends. It depends. But right now, I would just have to say entrepreneur, mother, that's it. Are you stinking rich? Is it what? Are you very rich? No. Are you?

I don't know. I don't know. What's rich? I'm just curious how much money you made. Oh, from what? I feel like I've known all about you for years. It's like there's always an assumption that the money must be pouring in. Pouring in like what? I don't know. You tell me what you think of rich is? I don't know how much is rich.

What do you think it is? I don't know how much you want to eat. What do you think you have to have to be rich? How much? I feel like if your bills is paid and you're comfortable, then you're rich. If you're not stressing about your next meal, then you're rich.

Yeah. Having a lot of money, That's nice, too, to invest it in things like that. But if it's sitting in the bank, then that's silly. You, obviously, everybody knows you had, you're involved with the Kardashian family. Yes. What's your, do you get on with any of them anymore or not? Do you have any relationship with anyone?

Yes, I do. Which ones? Which ones I speak to Kim, me and Rob, we are like this now. Oh, God. We're like that now. You have a good relationship with him now? Yes. I spoke to Chris.

I speak to Chloe too. I haven't seen Courtney and I haven't seen Kylie to like actually speak to like that. How do you all get on? How do you get on with them? You get on well?

Yeah, like hi-bye, how's the kids? High-bye? That's not a very long conversation. Yeah, like hi-bye, we'd be at the school, like we'd be at the school. We've got kids at the same school? Okay, so you're on the school run? Yeah. Out of the school gates? Wait, say it again?

You're on the school gates? Yeah, for sure. How's motherhood? Good. Great. Best thing. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

You want to have more? I do. I do. I do. I'm like, I'm getting older. This is crazy. It's different for women when you start getting up there, man. Yeah.

Or age-wise, you mean. Yeah, age-wise. You're still a spring chicken. I'm 60 next month. Yes. That's spring, too. 60? Yeah.

Mm-hmm. I think, like, no offense to me. like 75 is like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Why are you in London? Why am I here? You're trying to find a new man here? No, I'm actually engaged. No.

Who too? I'm not looking for love. I'm engaged to Derek Gray. Oh, who's he? He is a six-time Grammy producer. Wow. Songwriter. Yeah.

When are you getting married? I'm not sure yet. You're going to come to the wedding? Why not? Nothing else to do. Okay. Not to be good. You're happy in your life?

Super happy. You're clean, you know? Yeah. No more partying. No more partying. But it sucks because, like, I'll go to the club and, like, of course I feel like out of place because everybody's drunk, like, spending like, Tina, you know. And I'm like, I'm glad to try and bite at me because people think that I have to be an old prune because I don't want to drink. Like, I can still go out and socialize and things like that and not have a drink.

It's actually better because you get to like people watch. She's like, they need lit. And what do you feel about your new president? As far as what? Do you like it? You know what? I'm going with the flow. I'm going with the flow of things.

I think that some things is out of our control and we can only be the best version of ourselves, you know. That's really what I think. You'll see what happens. Yeah, we've got to see what happens. Black China, a bit lovely to meet you. Well, Angela, what should I call you? Angela.

Are you still Blackchana anymore? Yeah, Black China's the brand. I know, so you prefer to be called Angela. Yeah, Angela Black, China, White. Got it. Well, it's lovely to meet you. Finally. Thanks for good interview.

Yeah, good luck with your wedding and everything. Thank you. I'll be there, obviously, if I get the invite. Please. Nice to meet you. Thank you. Nice to meet you, too. Pierce Morgan, Unsens, and is proudly independent.

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